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I’ve always viewed Omni Man’s speech to Mark as really to himself. Trying to tell Mark not to get attached he’s to Earth because he’ll outlive it, maybe he’s also trying to convince himself that he truly is mission-minded and he hasn’t lost sight of his Viltrumite purpose
Those parts, and also the bits about Debbie being like a pet, or her life being worthless, or about living among "animals", or being able to make another kid in seventeen more years... those were _definitely_ him trying to convince himself that the people who'd made him appreciate Earth and humanity didn't matter as much as his mission and Viltrum. He failed, and Mark's _"you, dad, I'll still have you"_ was the drop that spilled the glass and made him realize that he'd gone so native that he _couldn't_ put Viltrum before them, no matter how much he tried.
Exactly, I love that at it's core Nolan's struggle is the fear of an essentially immortal man too afraid to get attached to (and inevitably lose) his loved ones. So this whole fight he's lashing out before he accepts it. Imagine being a human in a world where everyone else's lifespan is 4 days. You'd go mad.
"Trying to tell Mark not to get attached he’s to Earth because he’ll outlive it, [...]" This reminds me of my favorite theory/interpretation of why Mark getting his powers changed everything. Before he developed Viltrumite powers, he could have just been a normal human the entire time. And humans don't live as long as Viltrumites. So it could have been that Omni Man, until Mark got his powers, thought he would just outlive Debbie and Mark. So that they'd never have to know where he really comes from. But once Mark is a Viltrumite, it changes things. Now, Mark would normally outlive him. So at this point, Omni Man only digs his hole deeper the longer he delays his mission.
@@bravado2809 Absolutely. Like they talk about at 21:00. Nolan thought he could take a relatively short break from his mission and get back to it in 80 years or so when Mark and Debbie were dead. But surprise! Mark's going to live for ages now. The longer Mark doesn't know Viltrum's mission, the stronger he gets while not being onboard with conquest. So Nolan suddenly had to start his conquest while also finding a way to indoctrinate his son.
BTW, Omni-man is estimated to be like 2,000 years old. Its theorized that omni-man was just planning to wait out the lives of mark and debbie, if mark never got powers, he could just wait like a hundred years or two and when they were dead THEN he could do his conquering, i think the planet conquer timetable for him was like 500 years or something, so it was fine to wait that "short" time of 200
This makes a lot of sense, no wonder Omni said it probably be better if Mark never got his powers. Cause now that he does, he will live really long which Omni will have to explain to his superiors why he hadn't reported about a compatible species.
When your species lives for thousands of years, you can play the long game. But it was more about seeing if the Viltrumite genes carry through a species and develop powers, since there's so few pure blooded Viltrumites left at this point. They need to replenish their population.
I love how you were both anticipating the meme scene so much and then when the line finally happened you were both too stunned and caught-up in the moment to even comment on it.
@@LittleCthulhuOne I disagree with you on that. But trying to elaborate why would obviously give out even more spoilers. I just say this: Mark has a rough journey but ultimately doesn't stray from his path. That's quite invincible for me.
"You dad. I'd still have you." This scene, for me, is comparable to the Superman scene in The Iron Giant, in a sense that no matter how many times I see it, it makes my heart twist, and gets me teary eyed.
Steven Yeun and J.K. Simmons knocked it out of the fucking park with the voice acting for the finale. This episode made me fall in love with Mark's character, similar to what episode 7 did with Cecil for me. I thought Mark was fine throughout the show, felt like your average kid in most of these situations, but was kinda lukewarm about him, until his confrontation with Omni-man. "I don't give a shit about Viltrum! And I don't care if I live a fucking million years, this is my home, and I won't let you destroy it." Absolute chills man.
This is legitimately the first episode where I really saw Mark as a hero. Its one thing to have incredible power and sort of wing it through situations using that power, but he leaves EVERYTHING on the table here. He KEEPS trying to save lives, KEEPS fighting his father and refuses to give up on him. Even as he's bent and broken, even when his father tries to tear down everything he cares about and show him why he shouldn't his will simply won't bend. To me, this was Mark's, "No. YOU move."
This series doesn't just ask "What if Superman was evil?" it's "What if Krypton was evil?" as the consequences of the premise are so much bigger than just what's happening on Earth, because yeah if you had a bunch of evil Supermen who are among the strongest of the strong, then galactic conquering would absolutely be on their to-do list. This makes this my favorite evil Superman story, it does not pull its punches in showing how devastating it really would be if Superman and his fellow Kryptonians decided to just fuck shit up.
I personally prefer Dr. Manhattan's character conflict over Omniman's but if we add the Viltrumites and how they'll affect the overall story then yeah, it becomes a far more interesting variation of Superman.
Nah, in the DC universe there are tons of beings that either match Kryptonians in strength or are flat out above them. In the Invincible universe there are seldom beings that can match Viltrumites in strength, which is why the Viltrumites haven't been stopped. If Kryptonians tried conquering the universe they would be defeated in about a year or so. There are Martians, Tameraneans, Daxamites, Lanterns, and Guardians of the universe, all strong enough to end Kryptonians permanently. Also, if Superman tried soloing the Justice League he would get eviscerated in 30 seconds. The Invincible universe has weaker characters, so that's why Omni man was able to do the shit he did. If Superman tried taking over Earth there's the Justice League, Teen Titans, and even villains smart enough to take him down, such as Lex Luthor.
@@controlman7490 ehhh i mean the lanterns and the guardians get trounced every other week whenever they need to establish a big bad guy for another main character to fight, same for the rest of the justice league whenever a doomsday or a mongul shows up
Great reaction and analysis. One little thing I haven't seen people comment on a lot. After the "I'd still have you" moment when Nolan is staring at his hands, shocked at what he's done, Mark says "Dad?" Nolan reacts just like a dad worried about his hurt child. I think that's what really pushes him over the edge to cry. Not only does he realize Mark still loves him after the beating. Nolan realizes his instincts as a father can't be overcome. Then he breaks down and flees.
despite all his talk, he isn't JUST a viltum warrior anymore, these people mean more to him than he was ready to accept and his mission means less to him than he realised. And that thought, the thougth that he ISN'T the villain anymore, is what breaks him.
I genuinely think the train scene is one of the most impactful moments in television. Its unimaginable. In an age where people see Game of Thrones level violence regularly, it still leaves us speechless.
Imagine being a comic reader of the series from 10+ years ago (depending on how far from the beginning you found out about the series). You get all of these insane characters, and situations, and stories, and things that really hadn't been done before this (people don't seem to understand how much Kirkman innovated, more with this series than with Walking Dead), and even though there's a significant fanbase, you know that a LOT of people just DON'T KNOW, and it kinda sucks because you have so many things you want to talk about with people. But you deal with it and move on. And then, almost TWENTY YEARS LATER, 2-3 years after the series finally, impossibly ends, you see LIVING PROOF that a series is coming out. A TELEVISION series. Better yet, an ANIMATED television series. You get excited but try not to get your hopes up, because these things can end up getting messed up a lot in the process. You've seen it happen before. So you temper that excitement. Then, you see the casting, and you worry a bit because a lot of animated movies and series that use movie and television actors instead of voice actors can tend to be...a bit bland? (A lot of great "regular" actors don't get that voice acting is different and requires way more vocalization of your emotions, efforts, etc., and as a result they end up flat.) So you temper your excitement. And then the trailer comes out. And it looks GOOD. Oh man. Careful, you've been burned before. And then the show comes out and it's SO FREAKING GOOD. The actors are doing a great job. Steven Yeun is putting REAL EMOTION into his role. And even if a few things are different, it makes sense given the amount of time since the start of the comic and now, and it actually works, and even the things you wish were there could come later, or even be forgiven if they're just gone. And the action is incredible. And the brutality is insane. And the heart of the comic is RIGHT THERE in the show. They didn't miss. They KNOCKED IT OUT OF THE PARK. They got Cecil nailed. They got Omni-Man down pat. They got MARK right. Hell, they got BATTLE BEAST right!! Even Titan gets a slightly expanded role and it's GREAT! They managed to keep the world building and the character development and *just* enough of the R rating to satisfy all but the most contrarian of comic fans. They absolutely NAILED it. AND PEOPLE FUCKING LOVE IT. I don't know how to describe the feeling, honestly. It's so rare that it almost never happens. That years-long worry followed by the absolute catharsis of it being done right and done well. Happiness, relief, satisfaction...it's just so good. The really, actually did it. And the best part is that THE STORY IS ALREADY ALL THERE. Enough for a full 5-7 seasons like someone above me said (Kirkman loves to plan this stuff out, even if it went way off the rails with Walking Dead). Enough for even more, honestly. As jam packed as this season was, THEY LEFT THINGS OUT. That's more potential for future episodes. Potential for increased season length in the future. Maybe 10 per season now? Maybe 12? They could still do 5-7 seasons easy. Seriously, I am drastically underselling it when I say that Season One barely scratched the surface. This is a BIG story. And Kirkman has two decades of experience to do it better, to expand and improve it. There's really no need to worry about the story dropping off of a cliff, because as someone who has read the entire series, it does not disappoint. Some may disagree, but I loved the entire damn run. It's fan-freaking-tastic. I hope you all get to see it.
Definitely agree with you guys about Amber. I was actually fine with her knowing he was Invincible and being upset with him lying, but the scene where she comes right back to him and was kissing him and pretending like everything was the same felt so twisted. I was so mad on my first viewing.
The worst part about it is how she basically tried to compare Mark lying to her for a few months over his secret identity to Omniman lying to Mark about everything from why he came to earth to how much he actually cared about his family. I'm not really sure why they even went through that subplot when all it did was make Amber look like a manipulative asshole.
@@asioca1992 Maybe they're making it so she feels like "Holy crap Mark almost died, I still have some feelings for him, maybe I can make this work and be there for him"? I dont know, it feels sometimes that the hate for Amber gets overblown by the fans. Is she 100% likable? Maybe not, but I still think she's a great character.
@@Rajun008 If that was her intention, why even say "I guess we both were lied to" in the first place? Like imagine being told by your dad that everything that you knew about him was a lie, his feelings towards your mother is equal to that of a man and a dog, and that everyone/everything that you know will be gone by the time you're old enough to develop gray hairs, and then your ex shows up out of the blue and basically says "Listen, I know what it's like to be lied to, I understand perfectly" after the fact, as if she didn't just tell you to screw off weeks prior for b.s. reasons. It'd be like walking up to someone who lost their mom 2 weeks ago and then trying to comfort them by talking about how sad you felt when your tamagotchi died. Not only are the two situations nowhere close to the same, but it's also insulting.
@@asioca1992 Yeah, I'd be angry to in those made up situation that never happened. If you want to ask those questions, why not ask the creators themselves? I'm not involved in the production of this show in any way, I just posited a theory. You don't have to make up entirely fictional situations, you can just say "I disagree" and leave it at that. Besides, all of this is moot because in the comics it's canon that Mark and Eve end up together, so this whole debate on how she's a bad girlfriend will be meaningless and we can just move on to enjoying the show.
Haha funny meme episode with nothing bad. Think mark think, what they need to mimic a fraction of our power. Haha. Man this finale is brutal... So many people die due to what amounts to Omniman just wanting to educate his son.
Yeah, it's definitely a bit inconsistent considering how battle beast barely destroyed the room they're in but almost killed mark while omniman punched mark across the world yet barely did the same amount of damage.
@@reyses1x2 I mean Battle Beast could work Omni-Man the same way if hes comic Battle Beast but Im thinking it was just to keep it small scale for the episode
In a way Viltrumites are very good at evolving as everytime they are badly injured as after recovery they will gain stronger body in process for example Mark in comic went from almost no match to Omni man to be able to keep up with him to literally in the same level as him or even more maybe, overall I think battle beast also thought Mark would die from that wound as imagine you crushed an insect stomach you wouldn't expect it to regenerate Edit: Oh yeah not to mentioned Omni man is holding back in this scene
@@iamcool544 Battle beast at this point in the story wasn't that much stronger than Omni man if at all. He had to go through a lot of training to reach that level when fighting the leader
Just a small note to keep things in perspective, Viltrumites became the only empire in their galaxy, and then started conquer other galaxies. Earth is in the Milky Way galaxy. Viltrum is in another galaxy far off. They're not conquering the galaxy they're conquering the entire universe one galaxy at a time.
Ya, but that'll never happen. Amber "Why didn't you volunteer at the soup kitchen you monster". Also Amber ... "Ya I know you're Invincible and you're suffering horrible injuries trying to save the lives of those in need". Toxic relationship.
@@jeremybrowand5941 In episode 6 she gets angry at Mark for "running away" whe she supposedly knows he's a super hero so there are 3 reasons she would do this. 1: She lied about knowing he's Invincible to try and gain a moral high ground. 2: She's angry he decided to occupy the cyborg attacking people instead of slowly helping individuals. 3: She's trying to pressure him to revealing his secret that in terms of a relationship would would fall in between moving in together and a marriage proposal. It's a 5 month relationship...
@@RabidDogma It's weird too. It's something that could probably be fixed with just some dialog edits to existing scenes. Her character just gives me the impression of someone who just pretends to be virtuous because of the accolades she gets for it. The character is salvageable for season 2, but it's the one aspect of the show I'm not looking forward to.
S.O.S. at the start: we ready for a father-son showdown! Everyone: yeah.... Showdown is a strong word. In all seriousness, Mark won that fight. Regardless of how much of a beating he took, he kept his morals and outlook on life. Nolan couldn't break him, and instead ended up broken himself. From a storytelling perspective that was a great fight even if the message is so obvious and simple even I can see it: "Might doesn't make Right"
Mark's body isn't Invincible. His will is. No matter the pain, he didn't waver in his morality, even when the man he respected most was telling him everything he knew was a lie
I think it's implied that Nolan never wanted Mark to have powers and I think his plan going forward was to let them die naturally then conquer the planet.
JK Simmons knocks it out of the park on his voice acting. It is fun to go back and watch the earlier scenes between Nolan and Mark... there is a restrained poignancy in all of Nolan's carefully chosen words. He knows what is coming...that his littie "vacation" from his duty coming to a end.
I feel like the comparisons to The Boys comes naturally to most people but I would describe the differences between them as The Boys being gritty and realistic about super powers but in a much more, as you say 'bleak' way, and The Boys is in many ways a more cynical deconstruction and almost satire of superheroes as a concept, it basically wants to poke holes in the idea of superheroes, Invincible on the other hand I would say unapologetically loves superheroes and what superheroes can be, Invincible completely embraces the superhero genre just with the added twist of a more realistic portrayal of how super powers would actually work, but it's still essentially a love letter to classic superheroes, it feels like I'm just watching a more mature Justice League.
The difference in their message, in my opinion, is that The Boys asks the question, "What would superheroes be like if they existed in our world?", while Invincible asks the question, "What realistic consequences would there be in a world of superheroes?" You can see the difference simply by the fact that The Boys doesn't feature any "supervillains". One brings superheroes into our reality, the other puts reality into superhero comics.
my headcanon is that part of Nolan's logic and his shift when Mark gets his powers is that he'd probably settled on letting Mark and Debbie die of natural causes, live out their short lives happy and oblivious and afterward he would get to work, from his perspective it's like spending maybe a couple weeks or months with someone working on a project or something until its run it's course, so taking a little detour to let them have happy lives doesn't seem like a big deal, but once Mark got his powers he realized Mark is going to have to be brought in on the plan, waiting for him to die is no longer an option
That's exactly how i thought about it too, but then again Nolan should've known that Mark will end up getting his powers. Because he said it himself that "viltrumite dna is so pure that it overrides human dna" which would make the offspring 99% viltrumite.
@@cutman15 I feel like this one is worse. The pet thing could at least be interpreted as "I love her, yeah, but I know for a fact that I will massively outlive her so it is what it is", but the other sentence has no way to paint it nicer
@@isaiascanete6651 a pet means he doesn’t view her as an individual. She’s a lower life form than him. People get married to others who might have chronic conditions with lower life expectancy; doesn’t mean they’re pets to them.
@@andrewli6606 But that's not the same. The chronic illness, at least you're both human with human life spans and expectatons. He's got literally thousands of years on his biological clock left so i think it's somewhat natural to think of something that only lives less than a hundred years as less serious. Nolan got into that relationship knowing he'd easily outlive her, like you do when you get a pet. Line makes sense.
I know most people are probably sick of this joke since someone always makes it at this episode (including me a couple times) but here goes. Episode 1: Nolan trains his son Episode 8: Nolan TRAINS his son
you know what's the scariest thing? I understand perfectly why the Viltrumites are the way they are. When you live for thousands of years and have unimaginable strength compared to all other races in the galaxy. It becomes very difficult to empathize with them. We don't care about ants or bees...and they change many generations in one human life. So do the Viltrumites... everyone else is too fleeting and fragile for them to feel empathy as an equal. It's a terrifying idea that such a race exists, because I can't imagine how humanity can stop them.
I suspect that the whole "might makes right" attitude of the Viltrimites here is goimg to be revealed to be government brainwashing to control their people. Killing off half your population wouldn't really improve the overall species that much to justify the loss of numbers but it makes a lot more sense as a tactic to get rid of those who might disagree with an insane regimes policies. As for comparing ants to humans it isn't just a difference of power and lifespan for us but that ants literally don't have the same capacity for emotion, expression, invention, or individuality. Humans by comparison have been shown to be potentially as smart and capable of emotion as Viltrimites. So I am more of a mind that this attitude is an artifical result of a life of brainwashing than a natural result of near immortality and power. Magic seems to be a thing and I doubt the viltrimites really have any protection against being literally turned into ants. The Hail-Mary, despite being stunned by electricity was physically powerful enough that Omniman couldn't beat it, so maybe they could try cloning it and controlling the clones through electric shocks? Vilitrimites are powerful, but given enough time to prepare this earth has options.
@@joelsasmad I agree that of course humans are more advanced than ants. But I still don't think the Veltrumite government is using any real brainwashing. It's more like the main political line they're promoting. "See how much better we are than everyone else, let's conquer the universe." And I think that this idea got a lot of approval in their society because "yes ... we really are better than everyone else." And this "purge of the weak" ... I think it was a civil war where they killed everyone who was opposed to conquering the galaxy. So all the remaining Viltrumites support the idea of conquest and superiority. That's how I see it at least. And objectively, I don't think Earth has any realistic chances if the Viltrumite empire takes us seriously. Yes, it's possible to defeat individual members of their race... but once they feel resistance and send a squad of like 5.... I am sure that this will crush any resistance that the Earth could throw against them even with Mark at his maximum power. The only reason the Earth hasn't been subdued yet is because Nolan decided to have a 20 year long weekend and basically took a break instead of actual subjugation.
Dang that’s a great way to look at it. In hindsight would we even care for ants or bees if they were sentient? Their lives are truly so fleeting that does it even matter?
I hate when people use this comparison because the reason we don't care about ants/bugs has almost nothing to do with their physical characteristics; the reason we don't care about or empathize with them is because 1) we are totally unable to communicate with them in any meaningful way and consequently 2) we are incapable of relating to their experience because they appear to be incapable of complex thought. It doesn't matter how fleeting the lifespan of an ant is, if they suddenly started talking to us the amount of people willing to thoughtlessly kill them would plummet.
Mark not telling Amber he was invincible doesn't make him a "dick", what are you on about. He became a super-hero overnight, had no guidance on how to conciliate that with his "normal" social life and did what he thought was best. Meanwhile Amber manipulated him throughout who knows how long, didn't care about all the times he was injured trying to save lives and tried to shift the blame to him. "No communication, keeping things from me" the pot calling the kettle black on some self righteous bullshit, it's crazy how there are always people defending one side regardless of how batantly wrong they are
Right but it's an exercise in trust. He didn't trust Amber enough to tell her he was Invincible and as the show demonstrated, a relationship with no trust just crumbles. Also showed he wasn't that into her if he wasn't able to tell someone he loved and wanted to be with one of his secrets.
@@TheJamieellis that's HIS secret to tell, just because you love someone you aren't going to immediately tell them wverything about you, trust and love are completely different, and as she is depicted, amber is not trust worthy at all as she is a manipulative b1txh who kept gaslighting Mark. they are a highschool couple not a married one, they have been dating for a couple of months not years so just spilling your biggest secret to someone you basically barely know is stupid and she shows in episode 7 she did not deserve to know as she didn't care Mark was always risking his life to save people because "you made me feel unimportant!!1!!" how self centered and narcissistic can you be to think like this?
@@TheJamieellis I do understand both sides of this argument but, weren't they only dating for a little while. Like a few months? Not telling your partner a huge secret while only in the beginning of your relationship is understandable right? The thing that gets me personally is the fact the the writers wrote amber knew the whole time is the problem. It changes the tone of the scene where mark on his own actions is screwing up his relationship to amber being manipulative of his emotions. If she didn't know but still said no to being in the relationship with him when she found out I think amber would probably be more liked. But that's just my two cents.
Well, the Viltrumites are similar to Saiyans in DBZ. And Nolan is basically Vegeta (Nolan is also if Goku didn't bump his head (lost his memory) and continue what he was ordered to do on invading the planet he was and so forth). In the Dragonball series there is so much destruction and human casualties, but you don't get to actually see all the gore behind that. And thats why you care less about it. This show just goes the Hardcore way, and i love it. We have enough Disney and Marvel stuff for kiddies these days.
Amber showing up felt weird because it was weird. In the comic, since Amber forgave Mark after he revealed to her that he was Invincible, she was still in a relationship with him at the time of the big fight with Omni-Man. It was the show trying to rerail that plot point back to how it was in the comics because they wanted to reuse as much of the original story beats as possible with minimal rewrites.
Honestly! I understand if they didn't want to make Amber a naive and cute "air-headed blonde" like in the comic, but the way they went about the break up in the show just put her in a negative light.
I actually respected the break up plot point, both because I think it made sense for the new Amber they made for the show and because it would accelerate the Eve romance, which is way better in every way. I thought that they'd done a good job of showing that Mark and Amber weren't compatible and I thought Amber was largely justified in breaking up with Mark. But then she comes back in with this weird line that implicitly minimizes the trauma Mark just went through by comparing it to some teen romance bullshit. What were the writers thinking?
My interpretation with Amber is that she understands the weight of the secret now. She was so angry that Mark didn't trust her. To her she was "just" an other superhero, almost like it was any other secret. But seeing him being so beat up, made her realize "oh, it wasn't 'just' a random secret". They should have tried to give some explanation though
@@bunsbuns9072 Yeah they're worse than him, but Omni Man can still beat the shit out of them except the top 2 strongest viltrumites. The true fact is that Nolan is NICEST out of the entire viltrumite race.
Amber, come on. If you hadn't seen that news broadcast, you'd still be upset that he lied to you while saving the world. Otherwise a great episode, and season finale
Invincible is absolutely GOATED. The comic proudly (in a tongue in cheek manner) calls itself the “Greatest Superhero comic of all time/in the universe” right on the cover. It’s really something special.
I've read up to about halfway through the second Invincible Compendium, so I have a rough idea of what stories and characters they will use in Season 2. I would highly recommend reading the collected volumes. I mean, they changed a lot of stuff in the show, and in show cases the show does certain things better, but it's still an enjoyable read. I also recommend reading Tech Jacket, Astonishing Wolfman, Firebreather and Noble Causes.
when I finished this ep for the first time I wondered what you guys might think of it; so glad to see you finally reacting to the insane finale of what is probably one of my favorite shows
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The comic book series upon which this is based (and follows very accurately), has144 issues. This first season of the TV series literally only covers the first 12 issues of the comics. Amazon has already ordered season 2 and season 3.
Another thing to know is that Mark never stood a chance since as viltrumites get older not only do they age slower they also get stronger, so mark at full power could never do anything meaningful
It doesn't always work the same way with all viltrumites though, for example the leader of their race is way younger than their second in-command. But he's way too strong than their entire viltrumite race, not even the second in-command stands a chance against him. So Mark in later in the comics falls in that same category he gets stronger than the entire viltrumite race, after he kills their leader.
Mark did make him do that. As a loyal warrior of Viltrum, any threat to their empire is an enemy of him. He is expected to remove all threats to their expansion. Mark even said he knew exactly what he was saying and forcing his dad to do. Can’t expect someone to just betray the planet they’ve fought for for thousands of years.
When Debbie told Nolan about the whole "getting older, it gets harder to hold onto those feelings" & "this is humanity", that was the moment that started cracking into his psyche & started changing him... don't get me wrong as he still is a Viltrumite & was hard fastedly loyal, *was...* pay attention to how that encounter was ending, "what will you have after 500 years?!" "I'll give you that, I'll still have you." *Nolan pauses for a moment, & starts looking at the blood on both of his hands as if thinking "oh gosh what have I done to my kid?"* "Dad?..." *realizes he did end up changing here on his time on Earth, full of regret, & flies away with some tears in his eyes when leaving the planet* It literally shows us all of this, Nolan actually has changed without him even realizing it until it was too late, & after everything he's done there's no way he would be allowed to stay here on the planet, everyone would be after his throat for all of those lives he's taken, & on top of all of this the second the Viltrumites find out that he has betrayed/abandoned them they're going to come after him, he couldn't stay even if he wanted to. The damage has already been done...
There's a distinction I should point out, which is that technically, Time on the alien world where omni man went didn't go 'faster' then ours. Rather, OUR time was faster then theirs, so for omniman, Time would be _Slower_ then on earth, which either means the animators forgot about this or he spent more then just a couple of years fighting that planet to were "everyone" died and he grows a full beard. (in short, if the aliens aged rapidly on our earth, we would barely age on theirs)
Honestly omni man might be one of my favorite characters in all of comics He's definitely my favorite in the superhero Genre I'm not sure how much time or episodes or seasons the show has but if they give it anywhere near the care and attention it got in the comics It's going to be something special
😎👍One of the best season finale I have ever seen. I've heard some people say that this season was weak because good didn't win in the end - I haven't talked to these people for a long time 😂😂😂 I love that the only real punch Mark gives Nolan is when he says "Dad?"
One of the things I like the most about Invincible is how light hearted it is, despite all the blood and chaos going on. Heroes are heroes, bad guys are bad guys (though I'm sure that'll change later on) and overall it seems to be a standard superhero show. While I think The Boys is a much better show, and I especially love it's social/political commentary, it is definitely extremely pessimistic. It was really refreshing watching a show where bad , gruesome things do happen, but has an overall positive outlook on things.
Not only do we have season 2 coming but also 3 was confirmed by Amazon as well. I’m guessing we’ll get even more too. The comics have a number of arcs, while the show is a sort of retelling, it is still written by Robert Kirkman so you know it’ll follow most of the comic book story.
This episode was amazing bruh the delusion of Omniman and trying to convince himself of his mission and mark saying “I’ll still have you dad” was tuff for sure 😭
So just for a bit of context as to how long this show could go on, this season covered material up to the first 3rd of the first compendium, taking a all bit here and there from later and just having it happen earlier. But basically, in the grand scheme of the comic run, we are about a 10th of the way through.
15:53. If they can do that with Mark why couldn't they do it with OM? Is it because Mark has been ingesting whatever before he got powers but OM already had his when he started ingesting it?
@@soul6733 At first I was thinking it could be a situation were if you get someone strong enough to fight OM, like Mark or a horde of the zombie soldiers, you could defeat OM since he wouldn't be able react. Since he would have to react just on touch.(Admittingly I don't know if OM's hearing ability is high enough to be able to rely on it too).
It's a feature specific to that room. The lights are narrowband light sources only emitting extremely specific frequencies of light. Since that frequency has been blocked to the human eye, anything lit up by only those frequencies is rendered unobservable. Normal natural light or any non-narrowband light-source would light up everything and make it visible again. The presentation is kind of scuffed though, as everything would be a black void instead of a white one.
I think the reason Omni-Man needs a Earthling hybrid is because he needs proof that Earth can be a breeding ground for their species. I mean it makes when he states he needs "17 more years and can always start again, make another kid." He needs a hybrid that can keep their powers probably, it's the problem with killing half your species and then expanding into the galaxy, numbers.
Lol this makes me realise the Amazon has carved out its own niche of superhero shows which basically boils down to add more blood. And honestly that great because I don't see other studios making stuff like this.
After watching this season, I bought the entire comic series and I can say with complete honesty... this nothing compared to what's coming. It's insane.
What are y'all smokin' number one baddy is omniman but number two is Amber. There is nothing about Amber that deserves sympathy. She was the one in the wrong even before the relationship started.
That pet line both makes and breaks it for me like one one hand I feel mark and am like ur not callin my mother a pet and on the other I get it from Omni mans perspective cuz I love my fur baby’s and I would literally risk my life and maybe even kill for them if needed but in the end of the day I know I’m gonna out live them and that there will be others but that doesn’t mean I don’t love them with all my heart it’s just a difference in life times
I just watched all you're invincible reactions yesterday and I was hoping you'd do ep8 today this show is crazy and what happened this episode was ridiculous
Very few people do. Love seeing the reactors that go "oh hell yeah strong black girl" and after the "I know Mark" Convo they immediately flip to "wtf drop that b mark"
You know it was this episode that really made me think about the title everyone makes jokes about how invincible is a optimistic name. But that's because people are thinking about it physically, Mark has just went through hell on Earth his own father was the greatest threat to the planet and he found out his entire life was a lie. And yet he still wants to finish high School still wants to be a hero, a lesser person would have been broken but Mark keeps going. That speech at the end with omniman about what would he have in 500 years, if you really think about it omniman is it talking to Mark he's talking to himself, he's trying to validate his own insecurity. That's why what Mark said hit him so hard, if he was really so dead set then he wouldn't have been so swayed,it's why he wished Mark never got his powers. Because when Mark got his powers it basically changed things it meant he could no longer just live his life, if Mark never got his powers he and his mother would have gotten hold leaving Nolan by himself where he could have then conquered the planet by himself and it wouldn't have been a huge deal. But in a way Nolan became human that's why when Mark got his powers the immediately was hesitant because he knew he would have to go through with his plan
I'm sure some folks took this away from the fight already, but for those that didn't: Omni Man lost. With all the physical contact/destruction, this was psychological battle. Although Mark was beaten to a pulp, Omni gave up, leaving Mark the winner.
I get that the show writers wanted Amber to be better than her comics counterpart, which leaned a little hard into the 'dumb blonde' archetype, but having them come back together like this was one of the sour notes of the season 1 finale.
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That was one of the most incredible finale episodes I've ever seen, I'm dumbfounded that despite knowing some of the memes, this hit SO HARD! Season two when?!?
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"I have half an hour to give you 17 years worth of tragic backstory, Mark!"
-Omniman, probably
Castlevania!!! Fuck yeah!! So many good shows you guys are doing now.
@@joyboychris1369 38:20
The discussions are really good. I recommend watching them.
I’ve always viewed Omni Man’s speech to Mark as really to himself. Trying to tell Mark not to get attached he’s to Earth because he’ll outlive it, maybe he’s also trying to convince himself that he truly is mission-minded and he hasn’t lost sight of his Viltrumite purpose
It's to both.
Those parts, and also the bits about Debbie being like a pet, or her life being worthless, or about living among "animals", or being able to make another kid in seventeen more years... those were _definitely_ him trying to convince himself that the people who'd made him appreciate Earth and humanity didn't matter as much as his mission and Viltrum. He failed, and Mark's _"you, dad, I'll still have you"_ was the drop that spilled the glass and made him realize that he'd gone so native that he _couldn't_ put Viltrum before them, no matter how much he tried.
Exactly, I love that at it's core Nolan's struggle is the fear of an essentially immortal man too afraid to get attached to (and inevitably lose) his loved ones. So this whole fight he's lashing out before he accepts it. Imagine being a human in a world where everyone else's lifespan is 4 days. You'd go mad.
"Trying to tell Mark not to get attached he’s to Earth because he’ll outlive it, [...]"
This reminds me of my favorite theory/interpretation of why Mark getting his powers changed everything.
Before he developed Viltrumite powers, he could have just been a normal human the entire time. And humans don't live as long as Viltrumites. So it could have been that Omni Man, until Mark got his powers, thought he would just outlive Debbie and Mark.
So that they'd never have to know where he really comes from.
But once Mark is a Viltrumite, it changes things. Now, Mark would normally outlive him. So at this point, Omni Man only digs his hole deeper the longer he delays his mission.
@@bravado2809 Absolutely. Like they talk about at 21:00. Nolan thought he could take a relatively short break from his mission and get back to it in 80 years or so when Mark and Debbie were dead. But surprise! Mark's going to live for ages now. The longer Mark doesn't know Viltrum's mission, the stronger he gets while not being onboard with conquest. So Nolan suddenly had to start his conquest while also finding a way to indoctrinate his son.
BTW, Omni-man is estimated to be like 2,000 years old.
Its theorized that omni-man was just planning to wait out the lives of mark and debbie, if mark never got powers, he could just wait like a hundred years or two and when they were dead THEN he could do his conquering, i think the planet conquer timetable for him was like 500 years or something, so it was fine to wait that "short" time of 200
This makes a lot of sense, no wonder Omni said it probably be better if Mark never got his powers. Cause now that he does, he will live really long which Omni will have to explain to his superiors why he hadn't reported about a compatible species.
When your species lives for thousands of years, you can play the long game. But it was more about seeing if the Viltrumite genes carry through a species and develop powers, since there's so few pure blooded Viltrumites left at this point. They need to replenish their population.
it's kinda weird that he said mark will live to see this world crumble...is earth gonna be gone in a few thousand years? does he know things? lol
@@jamesliggins891 time will certainly tell. Though I suspect omniman was exhaggerating for effect
@@jamesliggins891 he may have meant "world as you know it" like how the Roman empire is basically ruins.
Finally a “love saves the day” that is actually satisfying and doesn’t feel like a deus ex machina.
The Castlevania series by Netflix pulled it off pretty well. Once again, a fight between father and son
I feel like this is more like "love spares you from even worse"
@@anjaneyasreetrout2444 that show is so great but so underrated
The Power of Love done right
And also Baki: The Grappler. Another father-son fight. @@anjaneyasreetrout2444
I love how you were both anticipating the meme scene so much and then when the line finally happened you were both too stunned and caught-up in the moment to even comment on it.
Mark is Invincible not in his body but his spirit. I feel that's how he's earning his hero name.
Bingo
Yeah, his body seems quite vincible
ehhhhh later on that is kind of broken as well for a a time a couple of times. Shit can always be more fucked
Ehhh talk to me if they ever get to Mark’s morally dubious actions.
@@LittleCthulhuOne I disagree with you on that. But trying to elaborate why would obviously give out even more spoilers. I just say this:
Mark has a rough journey but ultimately doesn't stray from his path. That's quite invincible for me.
"You dad. I'd still have you."
This scene, for me, is comparable to the Superman scene in The Iron Giant, in a sense that no matter how many times I see it, it makes my heart twist, and gets me teary eyed.
Steven Yeun and J.K. Simmons knocked it out of the fucking park with the voice acting for the finale. This episode made me fall in love with Mark's character, similar to what episode 7 did with Cecil for me. I thought Mark was fine throughout the show, felt like your average kid in most of these situations, but was kinda lukewarm about him, until his confrontation with Omni-man.
"I don't give a shit about Viltrum! And I don't care if I live a fucking million years, this is my home, and I won't let you destroy it."
Absolute chills man.
This is legitimately the first episode where I really saw Mark as a hero. Its one thing to have incredible power and sort of wing it through situations using that power, but he leaves EVERYTHING on the table here.
He KEEPS trying to save lives, KEEPS fighting his father and refuses to give up on him. Even as he's bent and broken, even when his father tries to tear down everything he cares about and show him why he shouldn't his will simply won't bend.
To me, this was Mark's, "No. YOU move."
Steven Yeun for me completely nailed the teenager voice
This series doesn't just ask "What if Superman was evil?" it's "What if Krypton was evil?" as the consequences of the premise are so much bigger than just what's happening on Earth, because yeah if you had a bunch of evil Supermen who are among the strongest of the strong, then galactic conquering would absolutely be on their to-do list.
This makes this my favorite evil Superman story, it does not pull its punches in showing how devastating it really would be if Superman and his fellow Kryptonians decided to just fuck shit up.
I personally prefer Dr. Manhattan's character conflict over Omniman's but if we add the Viltrumites and how they'll affect the overall story then yeah, it becomes a far more interesting variation of Superman.
have you heard about Injustice series?
Nah, in the DC universe there are tons of beings that either match Kryptonians in strength or are flat out above them. In the Invincible universe there are seldom beings that can match Viltrumites in strength, which is why the Viltrumites haven't been stopped.
If Kryptonians tried conquering the universe they would be defeated in about a year or so. There are Martians, Tameraneans, Daxamites, Lanterns, and Guardians of the universe, all strong enough to end Kryptonians permanently.
Also, if Superman tried soloing the Justice League he would get eviscerated in 30 seconds. The Invincible universe has weaker characters, so that's why Omni man was able to do the shit he did. If Superman tried taking over Earth there's the Justice League, Teen Titans, and even villains smart enough to take him down, such as Lex Luthor.
It's basically is Kryptonians had the fighting culture of the Saiyans
@@controlman7490 ehhh i mean the lanterns and the guardians get trounced every other week whenever they need to establish a big bad guy for another main character to fight, same for the rest of the justice league whenever a doomsday or a mongul shows up
Great reaction and analysis. One little thing I haven't seen people comment on a lot. After the "I'd still have you" moment when Nolan is staring at his hands, shocked at what he's done, Mark says "Dad?" Nolan reacts just like a dad worried about his hurt child. I think that's what really pushes him over the edge to cry. Not only does he realize Mark still loves him after the beating. Nolan realizes his instincts as a father can't be overcome. Then he breaks down and flees.
despite all his talk, he isn't JUST a viltum warrior anymore, these people mean more to him than he was ready to accept and his mission means less to him than he realised.
And that thought, the thougth that he ISN'T the villain anymore, is what breaks him.
To quote the Death Battle "Nolan tried so hard to make Mark a Viltrumite, but in actuality, Mark was turning Nolan human"
I genuinely think the train scene is one of the most impactful moments in television. Its unimaginable. In an age where people see Game of Thrones level violence regularly, it still leaves us speechless.
Based on the pacing of season 1 and Kirkman wanting to include new storylines along the way the show will most likely end up about 7 or 8 seasons
Kirkman has stated depending on Amazon and the show’s success he has a 5 season and a 7 season plan
Imagine being a comic reader of the series from 10+ years ago (depending on how far from the beginning you found out about the series). You get all of these insane characters, and situations, and stories, and things that really hadn't been done before this (people don't seem to understand how much Kirkman innovated, more with this series than with Walking Dead), and even though there's a significant fanbase, you know that a LOT of people just DON'T KNOW, and it kinda sucks because you have so many things you want to talk about with people. But you deal with it and move on.
And then, almost TWENTY YEARS LATER, 2-3 years after the series finally, impossibly ends, you see LIVING PROOF that a series is coming out. A TELEVISION series. Better yet, an ANIMATED television series. You get excited but try not to get your hopes up, because these things can end up getting messed up a lot in the process. You've seen it happen before. So you temper that excitement.
Then, you see the casting, and you worry a bit because a lot of animated movies and series that use movie and television actors instead of voice actors can tend to be...a bit bland? (A lot of great "regular" actors don't get that voice acting is different and requires way more vocalization of your emotions, efforts, etc., and as a result they end up flat.) So you temper your excitement.
And then the trailer comes out. And it looks GOOD. Oh man. Careful, you've been burned before.
And then the show comes out and it's SO FREAKING GOOD. The actors are doing a great job. Steven Yeun is putting REAL EMOTION into his role. And even if a few things are different, it makes sense given the amount of time since the start of the comic and now, and it actually works, and even the things you wish were there could come later, or even be forgiven if they're just gone.
And the action is incredible. And the brutality is insane. And the heart of the comic is RIGHT THERE in the show. They didn't miss. They KNOCKED IT OUT OF THE PARK. They got Cecil nailed. They got Omni-Man down pat. They got MARK right. Hell, they got BATTLE BEAST right!! Even Titan gets a slightly expanded role and it's GREAT! They managed to keep the world building and the character development and *just* enough of the R rating to satisfy all but the most contrarian of comic fans. They absolutely NAILED it. AND PEOPLE FUCKING LOVE IT.
I don't know how to describe the feeling, honestly. It's so rare that it almost never happens. That years-long worry followed by the absolute catharsis of it being done right and done well. Happiness, relief, satisfaction...it's just so good. The really, actually did it.
And the best part is that THE STORY IS ALREADY ALL THERE. Enough for a full 5-7 seasons like someone above me said (Kirkman loves to plan this stuff out, even if it went way off the rails with Walking Dead). Enough for even more, honestly. As jam packed as this season was, THEY LEFT THINGS OUT. That's more potential for future episodes. Potential for increased season length in the future. Maybe 10 per season now? Maybe 12? They could still do 5-7 seasons easy. Seriously, I am drastically underselling it when I say that Season One barely scratched the surface. This is a BIG story. And Kirkman has two decades of experience to do it better, to expand and improve it. There's really no need to worry about the story dropping off of a cliff, because as someone who has read the entire series, it does not disappoint. Some may disagree, but I loved the entire damn run. It's fan-freaking-tastic. I hope you all get to see it.
@@DrGandW Not to mention seasons 2 and 3 have already been greenlit.
@@RabidDogma Aaaaall of this. All of it. For real. You fucking said it.
"I have half an hour to give you 17 years worth of tragic backstory, Mark!"
-Omniman, probably
Trauma Speedrun %any
Definitely agree with you guys about Amber. I was actually fine with her knowing he was Invincible and being upset with him lying, but the scene where she comes right back to him and was kissing him and pretending like everything was the same felt so twisted. I was so mad on my first viewing.
The worst part about it is how she basically tried to compare Mark lying to her for a few months over his secret identity to Omniman lying to Mark about everything from why he came to earth to how much he actually cared about his family.
I'm not really sure why they even went through that subplot when all it did was make Amber look like a manipulative asshole.
Hopeffully seaon 2 addresses what a hypocritical asshole she is
@@asioca1992 Maybe they're making it so she feels like "Holy crap Mark almost died, I still have some feelings for him, maybe I can make this work and be there for him"? I dont know, it feels sometimes that the hate for Amber gets overblown by the fans. Is she 100% likable? Maybe not, but I still think she's a great character.
@@Rajun008 If that was her intention, why even say "I guess we both were lied to" in the first place?
Like imagine being told by your dad that everything that you knew about him was a lie, his feelings towards your mother is equal to that of a man and a dog, and that everyone/everything that you know will be gone by the time you're old enough to develop gray hairs, and then your ex shows up out of the blue and basically says "Listen, I know what it's like to be lied to, I understand perfectly" after the fact, as if she didn't just tell you to screw off weeks prior for b.s. reasons.
It'd be like walking up to someone who lost their mom 2 weeks ago and then trying to comfort them by talking about how sad you felt when your tamagotchi died. Not only are the two situations nowhere close to the same, but it's also insulting.
@@asioca1992 Yeah, I'd be angry to in those made up situation that never happened.
If you want to ask those questions, why not ask the creators themselves? I'm not involved in the production of this show in any way, I just posited a theory. You don't have to make up entirely fictional situations, you can just say "I disagree" and leave it at that.
Besides, all of this is moot because in the comics it's canon that Mark and Eve end up together, so this whole debate on how she's a bad girlfriend will be meaningless and we can just move on to enjoying the show.
Viltrum Episode 1: Krypton
Viltrum Episode 8: Planet Vegeta
🤣🤣 EXACTLY!!
Mark may not be as strong, as fast, or overall as powerful. But he has a will that’s *INVINCIBLE*
Haha funny meme episode with nothing bad. Think mark think, what they need to mimic a fraction of our power. Haha.
Man this finale is brutal... So many people die due to what amounts to Omniman just wanting to educate his son.
Indoctrinate*
The only thing I say it's bad from this episode is Amber showing up. It was painful to watch.
@@rainofkhandaq6678 100%
@@rainofkhandaq6678 He says think twice in the Comic
@@rainofkhandaq6678 No, it's just that the meme is made based also on the comic version where Omniman does say: THINK! MARK! THINK!
EVE: hey mark, want go eat somewhere?
MARK: yeah, where?
EVE: Subway?
MARK: 😳
I mean, that's my reaction to *regular* Subway.
This hypothetical would never actually happen because females can't decide on where they want to eat ;)
Eve: ...Oh. Landmine?
Mark: Yeah, that's... putting it mildly.
TFW you realise that Battle Beast basically did Omni-Man levels of damage to Mark so casually.
Yeah, it's definitely a bit inconsistent considering how battle beast barely destroyed the room they're in but almost killed mark while omniman punched mark across the world yet barely did the same amount of damage.
@@reyses1x2 I mean Battle Beast could work Omni-Man the same way if hes comic Battle Beast but Im thinking it was just to keep it small scale for the episode
In a way Viltrumites are very good at evolving as everytime they are badly injured as after recovery they will gain stronger body in process for example Mark in comic went from almost no match to Omni man to be able to keep up with him to literally in the same level as him or even more maybe, overall I think battle beast also thought Mark would die from that wound as imagine you crushed an insect stomach you wouldn't expect it to regenerate
Edit: Oh yeah not to mentioned Omni man is holding back in this scene
@@iamcool544 Oh for sure, I mean he's already killed a Viltrumite in the comics.
@@iamcool544 Battle beast at this point in the story wasn't that much stronger than Omni man if at all. He had to go through a lot of training to reach that level when fighting the leader
Just a small note to keep things in perspective, Viltrumites became the only empire in their galaxy, and then started conquer other galaxies. Earth is in the Milky Way galaxy. Viltrum is in another galaxy far off. They're not conquering the galaxy they're conquering the entire universe one galaxy at a time.
Hope they watch Season 2 too.
Seeing fresh reactions to "she's more like a pet to me" never gets old
People get so shocked by it but hes right 😂he got a wife to love and feed that he knows is going to die in like 15 years.(in omni mans lifespan)
I just want Mark to call out Amber for her either lying or being extremely selfish.
Ya, but that'll never happen. Amber "Why didn't you volunteer at the soup kitchen you monster". Also Amber ... "Ya I know you're Invincible and you're suffering horrible injuries trying to save the lives of those in need". Toxic relationship.
Yeah, that might have been the only problem I had with the season. I just don't like Amber as a character.
@@jeremybrowand5941 In episode 6 she gets angry at Mark for "running away" whe she supposedly knows he's a super hero so there are 3 reasons she would do this. 1: She lied about knowing he's Invincible to try and gain a moral high ground. 2: She's angry he decided to occupy the cyborg attacking people instead of slowly helping individuals. 3: She's trying to pressure him to revealing his secret that in terms of a relationship would would fall in between moving in together and a marriage proposal.
It's a 5 month relationship...
@@RabidDogma It's weird too. It's something that could probably be fixed with just some dialog edits to existing scenes. Her character just gives me the impression of someone who just pretends to be virtuous because of the accolades she gets for it. The character is salvageable for season 2, but it's the one aspect of the show I'm not looking forward to.
@@nesrovlahsurvivalist8399 don't forget comparing mark lying to her about his identity and Nolan lying to mark his whole life. Narcissist
S.O.S. at the start: we ready for a father-son showdown!
Everyone: yeah.... Showdown is a strong word.
In all seriousness, Mark won that fight. Regardless of how much of a beating he took, he kept his morals and outlook on life. Nolan couldn't break him, and instead ended up broken himself. From a storytelling perspective that was a great fight even if the message is so obvious and simple even I can see it: "Might doesn't make Right"
Mark's body isn't Invincible. His will is. No matter the pain, he didn't waver in his morality, even when the man he respected most was telling him everything he knew was a lie
I think it's implied that Nolan never wanted Mark to have powers and I think his plan going forward was to let them die naturally then conquer the planet.
JK Simmons knocks it out of the park on his voice acting. It is fun to go back and watch the earlier scenes between Nolan and Mark... there is a restrained poignancy in all of Nolan's carefully chosen words. He knows what is coming...that his littie "vacation" from his duty coming to a end.
Knocked that performance outta the park like Nolan knocked mark into a moutain
Somebody must have pointed this out by now but in the flashback of Viltrumites conquering worlds, you can see Allen's planet getting screwed over.
I feel like the comparisons to The Boys comes naturally to most people but I would describe the differences between them as The Boys being gritty and realistic about super powers but in a much more, as you say 'bleak' way, and The Boys is in many ways a more cynical deconstruction and almost satire of superheroes as a concept, it basically wants to poke holes in the idea of superheroes, Invincible on the other hand I would say unapologetically loves superheroes and what superheroes can be, Invincible completely embraces the superhero genre just with the added twist of a more realistic portrayal of how super powers would actually work, but it's still essentially a love letter to classic superheroes, it feels like I'm just watching a more mature Justice League.
The difference in their message, in my opinion, is that The Boys asks the question, "What would superheroes be like if they existed in our world?", while Invincible asks the question, "What realistic consequences would there be in a world of superheroes?"
You can see the difference simply by the fact that The Boys doesn't feature any "supervillains".
One brings superheroes into our reality, the other puts reality into superhero comics.
my headcanon is that part of Nolan's logic and his shift when Mark gets his powers is that he'd probably settled on letting Mark and Debbie die of natural causes, live out their short lives happy and oblivious and afterward he would get to work, from his perspective it's like spending maybe a couple weeks or months with someone working on a project or something until its run it's course, so taking a little detour to let them have happy lives doesn't seem like a big deal, but once Mark got his powers he realized Mark is going to have to be brought in on the plan, waiting for him to die is no longer an option
That's exactly how i thought about it too, but then again Nolan should've known that Mark will end up getting his powers. Because he said it himself that "viltrumite dna is so pure that it overrides human dna" which would make the offspring 99% viltrumite.
JK Simmons really made all Omni Man interactions work.He didnt need to.But he did.What a chad
"(Your mother) is more like a pet to me," is probably the worst thing he said this whole show.
Another contender for worst thing said is the 'What's 17 more years? I can always start again, make another kid.'
@@cutman15 I feel like this one is worse. The pet thing could at least be interpreted as "I love her, yeah, but I know for a fact that I will massively outlive her so it is what it is", but the other sentence has no way to paint it nicer
@@isaiascanete6651 a pet means he doesn’t view her as an individual. She’s a lower life form than him. People get married to others who might have chronic conditions with lower life expectancy; doesn’t mean they’re pets to them.
What makes it worse is its unclear if that was true or if its jsut another lie he tells himself
@@andrewli6606 But that's not the same. The chronic illness, at least you're both human with human life spans and expectatons. He's got literally thousands of years on his biological clock left so i think it's somewhat natural to think of something that only lives less than a hundred years as less serious. Nolan got into that relationship knowing he'd easily outlive her, like you do when you get a pet. Line makes sense.
I know most people are probably sick of this joke since someone always makes it at this episode (including me a couple times) but here goes.
Episode 1: Nolan trains his son
Episode 8: Nolan TRAINS his son
Episode 1: Nolan plays catch with his son.
Episode 8: Nolan plays catch WITH his son.
you know what's the scariest thing? I understand perfectly why the Viltrumites are the way they are. When you live for thousands of years and have unimaginable strength compared to all other races in the galaxy. It becomes very difficult to empathize with them.
We don't care about ants or bees...and they change many generations in one human life. So do the Viltrumites... everyone else is too fleeting and fragile for them to feel empathy as an equal.
It's a terrifying idea that such a race exists, because I can't imagine how humanity can stop them.
I suspect that the whole "might makes right" attitude of the Viltrimites here is goimg to be revealed to be government brainwashing to control their people. Killing off half your population wouldn't really improve the overall species that much to justify the loss of numbers but it makes a lot more sense as a tactic to get rid of those who might disagree with an insane regimes policies.
As for comparing ants to humans it isn't just a difference of power and lifespan for us but that ants literally don't have the same capacity for emotion, expression, invention, or individuality. Humans by comparison have been shown to be potentially as smart and capable of emotion as Viltrimites. So I am more of a mind that this attitude is an artifical result of a life of brainwashing than a natural result of near immortality and power.
Magic seems to be a thing and I doubt the viltrimites really have any protection against being literally turned into ants. The Hail-Mary, despite being stunned by electricity was physically powerful enough that Omniman couldn't beat it, so maybe they could try cloning it and controlling the clones through electric shocks? Vilitrimites are powerful, but given enough time to prepare this earth has options.
@@joelsasmad I agree that of course humans are more advanced than ants. But I still don't think the Veltrumite government is using any real brainwashing. It's more like the main political line they're promoting. "See how much better we are than everyone else, let's conquer the universe." And I think that this idea got a lot of approval in their society because "yes ... we really are better than everyone else." And this "purge of the weak" ... I think it was a civil war where they killed everyone who was opposed to conquering the galaxy.
So all the remaining Viltrumites support the idea of conquest and superiority. That's how I see it at least.
And objectively, I don't think Earth has any realistic chances if the Viltrumite empire takes us seriously. Yes, it's possible to defeat individual members of their race... but once they feel resistance and send a squad of like 5.... I am sure that this will crush any resistance that the Earth could throw against them even with Mark at his maximum power.
The only reason the Earth hasn't been subdued yet is because Nolan decided to have a 20 year long weekend and basically took a break instead of actual subjugation.
Dang that’s a great way to look at it. In hindsight would we even care for ants or bees if they were sentient? Their lives are truly so fleeting that does it even matter?
@@icantbelieveyoudonethis4059 There are people that would burn you at the stake for hurting them when they aren't sentient already...
I hate when people use this comparison because the reason we don't care about ants/bugs has almost nothing to do with their physical characteristics; the reason we don't care about or empathize with them is because 1) we are totally unable to communicate with them in any meaningful way and consequently 2) we are incapable of relating to their experience because they appear to be incapable of complex thought. It doesn't matter how fleeting the lifespan of an ant is, if they suddenly started talking to us the amount of people willing to thoughtlessly kill them would plummet.
It's not mark himself that's Invincible, it's the friends we made along the way.
It’s not mark himself that’s invincible, but his spirit.
Mark not telling Amber he was invincible doesn't make him a "dick", what are you on about. He became a super-hero overnight, had no guidance on how to conciliate that with his "normal" social life and did what he thought was best. Meanwhile Amber manipulated him throughout who knows how long, didn't care about all the times he was injured trying to save lives and tried to shift the blame to him. "No communication, keeping things from me" the pot calling the kettle black on some self righteous bullshit, it's crazy how there are always people defending one side regardless of how batantly wrong they are
Right but it's an exercise in trust. He didn't trust Amber enough to tell her he was Invincible and as the show demonstrated, a relationship with no trust just crumbles. Also showed he wasn't that into her if he wasn't able to tell someone he loved and wanted to be with one of his secrets.
@@TheJamieellis so just tell a highschool romance a life altering secret then huh?
Ffs
@@TheJamieellis that's HIS secret to tell, just because you love someone you aren't going to immediately tell them wverything about you, trust and love are completely different, and as she is depicted, amber is not trust worthy at all as she is a manipulative b1txh who kept gaslighting Mark.
they are a highschool couple not a married one, they have been dating for a couple of months not years so just spilling your biggest secret to someone you basically barely know is stupid and she shows in episode 7 she did not deserve to know as she didn't care Mark was always risking his life to save people because "you made me feel unimportant!!1!!" how self centered and narcissistic can you be to think like this?
@@S_047 If he's serious, yeh. If not, why is he so cut up about it afterwards? lmao
@@TheJamieellis I do understand both sides of this argument but, weren't they only dating for a little while. Like a few months? Not telling your partner a huge secret while only in the beginning of your relationship is understandable right?
The thing that gets me personally is the fact the the writers wrote amber knew the whole time is the problem. It changes the tone of the scene where mark on his own actions is screwing up his relationship to amber being manipulative of his emotions. If she didn't know but still said no to being in the relationship with him when she found out I think amber would probably be more liked.
But that's just my two cents.
Well, the Viltrumites are similar to Saiyans in DBZ. And Nolan is basically Vegeta (Nolan is also if Goku didn't bump his head (lost his memory) and continue what he was ordered to do on invading the planet he was and so forth). In the Dragonball series there is so much destruction and human casualties, but you don't get to actually see all the gore behind that. And thats why you care less about it. This show just goes the Hardcore way, and i love it. We have enough Disney and Marvel stuff for kiddies these days.
Amber showing up felt weird because it was weird. In the comic, since Amber forgave Mark after he revealed to her that he was Invincible, she was still in a relationship with him at the time of the big fight with Omni-Man. It was the show trying to rerail that plot point back to how it was in the comics because they wanted to reuse as much of the original story beats as possible with minimal rewrites.
This rewrite still pisses me off so much
They honestly should've just accelerated the Mark x Eve romance instead.
Honestly! I understand if they didn't want to make Amber a naive and cute "air-headed blonde" like in the comic, but the way they went about the break up in the show just put her in a negative light.
I actually respected the break up plot point, both because I think it made sense for the new Amber they made for the show and because it would accelerate the Eve romance, which is way better in every way. I thought that they'd done a good job of showing that Mark and Amber weren't compatible and I thought Amber was largely justified in breaking up with Mark.
But then she comes back in with this weird line that implicitly minimizes the trauma Mark just went through by comparing it to some teen romance bullshit. What were the writers thinking?
My interpretation with Amber is that she understands the weight of the secret now.
She was so angry that Mark didn't trust her. To her she was "just" an other superhero, almost like it was any other secret.
But seeing him being so beat up, made her realize "oh, it wasn't 'just' a random secret".
They should have tried to give some explanation though
Amber belongs in dumpster along with her soup kitchen.
Still is a horribly written character.
Legit compared her being lied to and. Mark having his whole life lied to. Complete narcissist
@@S_047 not gonna disagree
What really fucks you up is that Omni man is a green peace hippie compared to the average Viltramite.
Yea, most of the other Viltrumites from the comics were 500x worse.
@@bunsbuns9072 Yeah they're worse than him, but Omni Man can still beat the shit out of them except the top 2 strongest viltrumites. The true fact is that Nolan is NICEST out of the entire viltrumite race.
Amber, come on. If you hadn't seen that news broadcast, you'd still be upset that he lied to you while saving the world. Otherwise a great episode, and season finale
will you react to the new season of invincible?
Invincible is absolutely GOATED. The comic proudly (in a tongue in cheek manner) calls itself the “Greatest Superhero comic of all time/in the universe” right on the cover. It’s really something special.
I've read up to about halfway through the second Invincible Compendium, so I have a rough idea of what stories and characters they will use in Season 2. I would highly recommend reading the collected volumes. I mean, they changed a lot of stuff in the show, and in show cases the show does certain things better, but it's still an enjoyable read. I also recommend reading Tech Jacket, Astonishing Wolfman, Firebreather and Noble Causes.
when I finished this ep for the first time I wondered what you guys might think of it; so glad to see you finally reacting to the insane finale of what is probably one of my favorite shows
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Ok, this was clever
When they learn that Nolan is the NICE Viltrumite
The comic book series upon which this is based (and follows very accurately), has144 issues. This first season of the TV series literally only covers the first 12 issues of the comics. Amazon has already ordered season 2 and season 3.
Another thing to know is that Mark never stood a chance since as viltrumites get older not only do they age slower they also get stronger, so mark at full power could never do anything meaningful
It doesn't always work the same way with all viltrumites though, for example the leader of their race is way younger than their second in-command. But he's way too strong than their entire viltrumite race, not even the second in-command stands a chance against him. So Mark in later in the comics falls in that same category he gets stronger than the entire viltrumite race, after he kills their leader.
@Siphosethu Mbaba yeah, but all viltrumites do get stronger with age even if it's not at the same level as each other
Mark did make him do that. As a loyal warrior of Viltrum, any threat to their empire is an enemy of him. He is expected to remove all threats to their expansion. Mark even said he knew exactly what he was saying and forcing his dad to do. Can’t expect someone to just betray the planet they’ve fought for for thousands of years.
When Debbie told Nolan about the whole "getting older, it gets harder to hold onto those feelings" & "this is humanity", that was the moment that started cracking into his psyche & started changing him... don't get me wrong as he still is a Viltrumite & was hard fastedly loyal, *was...* pay attention to how that encounter was ending, "what will you have after 500 years?!" "I'll give you that, I'll still have you." *Nolan pauses for a moment, & starts looking at the blood on both of his hands as if thinking "oh gosh what have I done to my kid?"* "Dad?..." *realizes he did end up changing here on his time on Earth, full of regret, & flies away with some tears in his eyes when leaving the planet*
It literally shows us all of this, Nolan actually has changed without him even realizing it until it was too late, & after everything he's done there's no way he would be allowed to stay here on the planet, everyone would be after his throat for all of those lives he's taken, & on top of all of this the second the Viltrumites find out that he has betrayed/abandoned them they're going to come after him, he couldn't stay even if he wanted to. The damage has already been done...
There's a distinction I should point out, which is that technically, Time on the alien world where omni man went didn't go 'faster' then ours. Rather, OUR time was faster then theirs, so for omniman, Time would be _Slower_ then on earth, which either means the animators forgot about this or he spent more then just a couple of years fighting that planet to were "everyone" died and he grows a full beard.
(in short, if the aliens aged rapidly on our earth, we would barely age on theirs)
In many ways, this series is very much about the stagnant thinking inherent to “might makes right” ideologies and the
moral failings therein.
I definitely agree with the Amber part, I really don't like her and how they handled her at the finale
Honestly omni man might be one of my favorite characters in all of comics He's definitely my favorite in the superhero Genre
I'm not sure how much time or episodes or seasons the show has but if they give it anywhere near the care and attention it got in the comics It's going to be something special
😎👍One of the best season finale I have ever seen. I've heard some people say that this season was weak because good didn't win in the end - I haven't talked to these people for a long time 😂😂😂
I love that the only real punch Mark gives Nolan is when he says "Dad?"
One of the things I like the most about Invincible is how light hearted it is, despite all the blood and chaos going on. Heroes are heroes, bad guys are bad guys (though I'm sure that'll change later on) and overall it seems to be a standard superhero show. While I think The Boys is a much better show, and I especially love it's social/political commentary, it is definitely extremely pessimistic. It was really refreshing watching a show where bad , gruesome things do happen, but has an overall positive outlook on things.
God I can’t fucking wait to see Dinosaurus, when do y’all think we’ll get him? Season 2, 3?
Loved seeing your reactions and discussions about this show. Can't wait for season 2!
glad they feel the same way about amber.
They sort of did, they are still blaming Mark in some degree which is strange from the bros.
Great reaction! Damn! What a finale!
Especially that train scene! Just wow, it is quite something!
Yeah, nobody liked Amber coming back!
Not only do we have season 2 coming but also 3 was confirmed by Amazon as well. I’m guessing we’ll get even more too. The comics have a number of arcs, while the show is a sort of retelling, it is still written by Robert Kirkman so you know it’ll follow most of the comic book story.
This episode was amazing bruh the delusion of Omniman and trying to convince himself of his mission and mark saying “I’ll still have you dad” was tuff for sure 😭
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So just for a bit of context as to how long this show could go on, this season covered material up to the first 3rd of the first compendium, taking a all bit here and there from later and just having it happen earlier. But basically, in the grand scheme of the comic run, we are about a 10th of the way through.
are u not going to watch season two?
i shed a tear every time after the think mark, scene
15:53. If they can do that with Mark why couldn't they do it with OM? Is it because Mark has been ingesting whatever before he got powers but OM already had his when he started ingesting it?
It just serves no purpose against Omniman. He is most likely affected by that as well, but it wouldn't really help against him.
@@soul6733 At first I was thinking it could be a situation were if you get someone strong enough to fight OM, like Mark or a horde of the zombie soldiers, you could defeat OM since he wouldn't be able react. Since he would have to react just on touch.(Admittingly I don't know if OM's hearing ability is high enough to be able to rely on it too).
It's a feature specific to that room. The lights are narrowband light sources only emitting extremely specific frequencies of light. Since that frequency has been blocked to the human eye, anything lit up by only those frequencies is rendered unobservable. Normal natural light or any non-narrowband light-source would light up everything and make it visible again.
The presentation is kind of scuffed though, as everything would be a black void instead of a white one.
I think the reason Omni-Man needs a Earthling hybrid is because he needs proof that Earth can be a breeding ground for their species. I mean it makes when he states he needs "17 more years and can always start again, make another kid." He needs a hybrid that can keep their powers probably, it's the problem with killing half your species and then expanding into the galaxy, numbers.
Please never change ur thumbnail style. Its probably the best of any reactor. Even yaboyroshi, who's a top tier reaction channel
The show is basde on a graphic novel with 100+ issues, so they have a lot of stories to tell.
Just a well built narrative. I mean they do have the comics to help them which is a huge help.
Lol this makes me realise the Amazon has carved out its own niche of superhero shows which basically boils down to add more blood. And honestly that great because I don't see other studios making stuff like this.
After watching this season, I bought the entire comic series and I can say with complete honesty... this nothing compared to what's coming. It's insane.
How nice of Nolan to provide his son some train-ing
What are y'all smokin' number one baddy is omniman but number two is Amber. There is nothing about Amber that deserves sympathy. She was the one in the wrong even before the relationship started.
stronger as they age. so think about how much stronger Nolan got in that other dimension.
The invincible part of mark is his tenacity..
My Brave boy...
That pet line both makes and breaks it for me like one one hand I feel mark and am like ur not callin my mother a pet and on the other I get it from Omni mans perspective cuz I love my fur baby’s and I would literally risk my life and maybe even kill for them if needed but in the end of the day I know I’m gonna out live them and that there will be others but that doesn’t mean I don’t love them with all my heart it’s just a difference in life times
4:56 cool a life will potentially be saved. ..
Me: ..... You poor soul. You don't know what's coming
I just watched all you're invincible reactions yesterday and I was hoping you'd do ep8 today this show is crazy and what happened this episode was ridiculous
Wow I played mass effect trilogy twice lol never made that connection but it fits well...
This episode is a 9.8 out of 10 for me absolutely perfect in every way except that nasty thing Amber. I don't vibe with her.
Very few people do. Love seeing the reactors that go "oh hell yeah strong black girl" and after the "I know Mark" Convo they immediately flip to "wtf drop that b mark"
Omni man ran a train on his son dayum
Hope we don't have to wait long for season 2...
You know it was this episode that really made me think about the title everyone makes jokes about how invincible is a optimistic name.
But that's because people are thinking about it physically, Mark has just went through hell on Earth his own father was the greatest threat to the planet and he found out his entire life was a lie.
And yet he still wants to finish high School still wants to be a hero, a lesser person would have been broken but Mark keeps going.
That speech at the end with omniman about what would he have in 500 years, if you really think about it omniman is it talking to Mark he's talking to himself, he's trying to validate his own insecurity.
That's why what Mark said hit him so hard, if he was really so dead set then he wouldn't have been so swayed,it's why he wished Mark never got his powers.
Because when Mark got his powers it basically changed things it meant he could no longer just live his life, if Mark never got his powers he and his mother would have gotten hold leaving Nolan by himself where he could have then conquered the planet by himself and it wouldn't have been a huge deal.
But in a way Nolan became human that's why when Mark got his powers the immediately was hesitant because he knew he would have to go through with his plan
Nice reaction and discussion!
Warning: Very loud audio glitch at 1:34, you want to skip if you're wearing headphones
Farewell to one of the nicest Viltramites to ever exist.
That's a very happy Jacob and kalib
Castlevania Lets goooooo
Excited for season 2
7:54 *Train*ing huh? So that's what it's called
NO ONE LIKED AMBER SHOWING UP, WELCOME TO THE FANDOM OF HATING AMBER. There are countless videos discussing how she's kinda bad.
Mark Is gonna need to think about that one.
Think mark! just ditch amber and go for eve!
Based on the comics this is definitely a 7-8 season show
I'm sure some folks took this away from the fight already, but for those that didn't: Omni Man lost. With all the physical contact/destruction, this was psychological battle. Although Mark was beaten to a pulp, Omni gave up, leaving Mark the winner.
Just so you know guys, Invincible is based on a more than 100 chapter long comic, so there is plenty of story left to tell
I get that the show writers wanted Amber to be better than her comics counterpart, which leaned a little hard into the 'dumb blonde' archetype, but having them come back together like this was one of the sour notes of the season 1 finale.