Adopting Art Parents to Develop Your Style - Draftsmen S1E05
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Stan and Marshall talk about adopting good “art parents” - the artists that inspire you and who will influence your style and technique. A caller asks how to establish a daily drawing routine that he can stick with. Marshall likes to Netflix and Chill with a good Coen Brothers film.
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Marshall’s Art Parents - Ed Roth, MAD Magazine Artists, Underground Comix Artists, Albrecht Dürer, M.C. Escher
Stan’s Art Parents - Jeff Watts, Morgan Weistling, Steve Huston, Russian Academy Artists, Ilya Repin, Nicolai Fechin, Norman Rockwell
Artists mentioned in this video - Vance Kovacs, J. C. Leyendecker, Alphonse Mucha, N. C. Wyeth, Winsor McCay, Howard Pyle, Frank Frazetta, Boris Vallejo, Phil Hale, Glen Keane, Juanjo Guarnido, Bob Miller, Robert Williams, Todd Schorr, Court Jones, Mort Drucker, A. B. Frost, Bernie Wrightson, Gustave Doré, Franklin Booth, Jack Davis, John Nagy, Howard Pyle, Frank Brangwyn, Erik Gist, Oscar Van Young
Other’s Mentioned in the video - Bob Duncan, Will Durant, Painting with Fire Documentary, R. L. Stine
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Stan Prokopenko and Marshall Vandruff are art instructors. If you love the arts, particularly the craft of drawing and painting and image-making… and you want to level up your skills or even make a living with your skills, we are here to answer your questions. We’re here to offer you advice, refer you to our resources, share your love of the craft and maybe inspire you! Learn to Draw - www.proko.com Marshall Vandruff. Subscribe to the podcast at bit.ly/Draftsme...
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Who are your art parents?
My sister or dad.
Kim jung gi and alex nino
Proko Kim Jung gi and yusuke Murata
Probably kim jung gi and hirohiko araki (a mangaka. Seeing a mangaka style evolving and changing through the years is pretty interesting)
Frank Frazzeta, Xa Gueuzav, Toru Nakayama, Karl Kopinski, Yusuke Murata, Kim Jung Gi, Steve Rude, Anthony Jones, VOFAN, Steven Zapata, Steve Huston, Tyler Edlin, Akihito Tsukushi.
Still randomly adopting artists and i have no idea where to choose from....
Marshall and Stan remind me of master Oogway and master Shifu from Kung Fu Panda.
Ha ha ha true.😆
Best comment🤣
Oogway Marshall - Amazing. They should call each other Master Oogway Marshall and Master Shifu Proko next episode.
Dude this was exactly what i was thinking!!! Haha
And all of us are the panda, THE DRAGON WARRIOR
I could just listen to Marshall for hours. Love his points, and how the depth of his empathy and life experience show with every story he tells.
Very passionate about all aspects of draftsmanship.Even down to anatomy. Inspiring to listen to.
I love that there are no (pardon my language) circle jerks in this podcast, normally some podcast they agree with everyone in that room and no one has any opinion of their own
Speaking from a musicians point of view and I think the analogy will hold, you chose your "parents" right at the start, way before you start learning the "science" and fundamentals. No one gets in to guitar playing because the theory excites them. They get excited when they hear Hendrix or Vai or BB King or whoever. Then they start to copy their style, albiet in a very clumsy and cringe worthy way. Then this inspires them to find our what these "parents" or influences are doing and they start learning fundamentals and theory. Adopting and copying art or music parents at the start is what plants the seeds and drives us to learn and go deeper. My 10 cents worth. ;-)
P.s. I'm really enjoying these podcasts. I've listened to so much music in the past 40 years I'm tired, so I listen to podcasts to relax now. Many tnx for these.
Yes, I agree with this a 100%, and I would like to see your comment closer to the top.
6 years ago I tried starting to play the guitar, but I stopped 2 years into it, because I constantly thought about learning dry theory first, and didn't let myself have fun and be horrible.
But in art I caught myself when I was obsessing dry theory, let myself have artists to look up to, and since then I have a drive to delve into the technicalities and improve at a much faster rate.
@@sophieszobonya3175 I forgot where exactly I have found this information, but I remember reading, that the masters of their subject in most cases have had the fortune to have 2 teachers. The first one taught them to love their art (that's about the playing and fun part) and the second teacher later on would teach them the craft. This seems to be true for any field of mastery, be it sports or arts or science.
Marshall is such a wonderful commentator. He provides a depth and breadth of knowledge and a sunny disposition that is refreshing. He is a kind soul and doesn't get angry or react to insults from his co-host. I highly recommend listening to him whenever you can.
For the person who's on and off about art, my advice would be to start with something easy, and work your way up. For instance, make an effort to draw 20 minutes a day. Just draw, be creative, don't worry about improvement. When you're comfortable with that routine, you can start drawing longer, studying, etc. I used to struggle to draw just 1 hour every day, now I draw 8-10 hours daily.
I love the idea of 'art parents', because there's no pressure of how much better they are than you - they'll always have way more experience and that's okay.
I love this podcast. Even now that it's discontinued, I've listened to all of the episodes several times. There's so much wisdom in here. And the show feels like secure a ship on the stormy sea that is the art journey. Thank you Marshall and Stan!
We stopped making regular seasons but I have some great news for you, there are new recent episodes!
youtube.com/@Draftsmen
omg that’s so epic, tysm for keeping it up
Thank you so much for the annotations with mentioned artists names.
It is so hard to google names if you don't know the right spelling, especially as a non-native speaker.
Learned so many great artists, really excited.
Coming back and watching all of these episodes again. Fantastic stuff to revisit. Advice for anyone trying to get into positive routines (the caller question): don't plan the outcome, present the opportunity.
If you want to start running, don't promise yourself you will run for 30 minutes every day. Instead put your running shoes on at the end of the day. You will get overwhelmed if you plan too much. If you put your shoes on you'll go for a walk. Maybe you'll run. Maybe you'll go for 15 minutes, maybe 30. But you will start.
Do the same thing for your art. Open up your sketch book every day and do something easy to begin with, see where it takes you.
I know stan had a different path in his learning process but damn is so great to hear marshall going through history of the artists in so many levels. I could watch a hundred of these in a row. greetings from brazil!
um brasileiro olha só
Man, Marshall is at an other level. That guy breathes art!
watching this made me realize that i don’t necessarily have “art parents” that i study meticulously, but i do know that i’m heavily inspired by vincent van gogh’s directional lines, mary cassatt’s gesture and lighting and also agnes cecile’s watercolor washes and i try to apply their techniques to my digital art (and watercolor). but i’ve never sat down and actively copied their work. i do get motivated to replicate the most interesting things in my surroundings, like plants, my friends and family, the music i listen to. taking many pictures, making random color palettes and storyboards skyrocketed my imagination and i don’t believe i own any of these concepts or ideas, which is why i try to take little bits from each one and create... well, art.
The wood engravers used by Gustave Doré were my main parent. Doré was a prolific draftsman, who would rough out complicated scenes with people, animals, and landscapes, which was then used as a guide by talented wood engravers to engrave the blocks. These engravers actually dramatically improved on Doré's sketches. The engraver and artist were considered equally important in making these wood engravings and they both hand their signatures cut into the block.
For digital artists/illustrators I'd say choose a parent that doesn't screw your wrist or shoulder in the long run.
so basicaly every academic artist has been raised in orphanage?
all artists are batman confirmed
they raise them
Takes a village...
Unless if you’re lucky and your parents *are* artists
Life is their parent.
I wish Marshall was my dad. 😔
same 😔
you can adopt him as your parent
Same
How did you two guys meet? You have such different personalities but your chemistry together is incredible and your banter is like you've been friends for lifetimes. :-) And you're such both great listeners.
Wow. Your thumbnails get better with every video.
it's ugly
LoL
Who made the original drawings though?
@@canesvenatici9588 Frank Frazetta
@@RomanGuro you have no taste
Alright, the bit about beginners using style to explain their mistakes and choosing babies as your art parents got a good chuckle out of me. I'm super glad this podcast exists.
same. proko and marshall are amazing
Stan's humor is so adorable
You should make a whole video about genealogy of Frazetta's stylistic family 😀
28:16 "just listen to those illustrations!" 😂😂
I love this man!!
Man, I really love this podcast.
My artdads are Moebius and Hayao Miyazaki.
Good choices!
I love ur podcast because it boosts my ideas, so I catch myself drifting away with new idea while listening to you guys, and I have to rewind back like 20-40 seconds))) every minute) ty for motivation
I'd only listened about twenty minutes in, then I looked at the screen... and esteemed lecturer Marshall was talking about -idk- shading, composition, gradations, shapes facing light etc, and I could no longer look away from his gestures, that forearm, that forehead with light and shadow. Damn, it is past my bedtime already! I shouldn't be sketching anything more tonight!
To the question of how to establish a daily routine. My thing is dont wait for motivation.
As a high school art teacher, Marshall is my art parent. I first met him by chance while visiting Gallery Nucleus in Alhambra California since 2005-2006. The owner, Ben Zhu, happened to tell me about a workshop he was hosting in the upstairs portion of the gallery. I had some free time and thought, why not? I couldn't believe I sat through hours of lecture without being bored a single second. He had us all glued onto every sentence. My energy with my own students is much different, but Marshall is a touchstone for me. I'm so happy that more people have gotten to experience him on this platform.
Style-wise, I'd say Alex Ross. Not only do we share the same name, but it was his artwork that sucked me into a style. I first saw his work at a Los Angeles comic store, Golden Apple while in high school. And, above the cash register was a spinning cylinder of Clark Kent turning into Superman. It looked realistic and "fantastic". I believe it's called, "Superman Forever".Anyway, Alex Ross was like the internet for me. Through him Iearned about Andrew Loomis, Norman Rockwell, and many classic illustrators. I learned a lot by doing tracings, master copies, and eventually doing work for friends in his style, but with french gray markers. As I got older I figured out that I was essentially giving him free publicity and decided to branch out, especially with my application of water-based media. I adopted other art parents who worked with watercolor and gouache.
I feel that I still haven't found my own voice, yet. I like my "surface" stuff and the works I've put out on social media, but none really communicate who I am. That's my artistic journey and I'm still wandering my own art world.
Thanks for listing out all artist you mentioned in the video... I usually have a hard time finding names of artist people talk about in podcasts.... BTW great talk as usual.
Saaaaame, can you please tell me how the name of the artist that proko didn't like people to put in a pedestal is spelled, I wasn't looking when they mentioned it (I was multitasking) and I don't know how to look him up.
Frank frazetta is that how it's spelled?
Yep. It’s in the video description!
Copying artists is scientifically proven to be the best way to improve. Art is a language. If you are using the baby analogy, the baby learns how to speak by imitating the way his parents speak, not learning the detached, conceptualized fundamentals of speaking. An thus not only does the baby acquire the fundamentals but he processes them faster and is able to apply them practically.
Woops I posted this less than half way into the video. This exact analogy was made. My fucking bad
@@sebaba001
Ya. Here is a very good paper on it i suggest you check out. Most artists and art teachers are too feelings oriented to be willing to conceive of the scientific aspects of art and so tend to push methods of learning which are not the most efficient ways of improving but the ways which feel the best to them.
www.visuallanguagelab.com/P/NC_drawingdevelopment.pdf
i love how you guys will argue/debate things it’s nice to see idk how to explain why it’s satisfying but it’s nice to hear different opinions
Buster Scruggs! thats my favorite movie of all time i'm so glad he mentioned it so more people get to see it I love it all, all 6. That movie was the nail in the coffin of inspiration that has got me back into art
Hahah, I find the term "art parent" so funny, since one of the people who I consider my "art parent" is only 5 years older than me.
Stephanie Wozny mine is 1 y older than me.
My parents are dead
I could relate with Marshall when he spoke on periods of dormancy, and productivity. I came to my own realization where I have periods of intense production and periods of consumption where I go out and live life to have something to channel into my art. Wonderful video guys thank you!
Season 2 will begin on April 7 and on it’s own RUclips channel… Be sure to subscribe!
ruclips.net/channel/UCfvIqreCk628yB9mp3e_ABQ
I feel like Being conscious and deliberate with where you draw inspiration is something you can apply to any aspect of life's pursuits. Great video.
When he said Leyendecker I screamed, then a millisecond later, he sad Mucha and I'm now passed out on the floor. Love those guys. Another parent of mine is Wylie Beckert, Awanqi and any classic European sculpturist. I don't sculpt but, I've learned so much from drawing sculptures.
Brilliant! I love all the straight talking and good humoured disagreement - so productive!
Let’s make a patreon for Marshall so that he can buy a pair shoes guys
John Harris, Moebius, Ashley Wood, Sinix, Victor Mosquera, Mike Mignola, Yashitako Amano, Dani Diez, katsuya terada, Kim Jung Gi.
I don't think I could say I ever actually settled on a style. Depends what I'm doing and how I'm feeling. But a running thread with all of those artists I take a keen interest in is a combination of interesting mark making and strong use of icon based composition with large flat planes of interesting colour. And a battle between either soft and hard edges or simplified or complex linework.
Not that I can produce anything even approaching any of them. I just know what I appreciate.
Boris Vallejo is not a ripoff of Frazetta... They were contemporaries, each with huge influence shaping fantasy and science fiction art and the literary genre itself through their visuals. Both masters of fantasy art.
I don't make digital art, I just don't get pleasure from making it on the computer or whatever. I have a few artists that I like, 2 current Australian artists Jennifer Sage, and Dusan, and I like E. A. Seguy, and Sallie Herman, but I wouldn't consider them my art parents, I have never tried to copy their style, I don't think I could. I don't think it's good to hero worship, I just paint like me, so i don't have a particular style, maybe that's not good, I don't know, but I sure am having fun. However, I do follow the principles of perspective, shapes, colour, value, forms, tones etc. I'm probably not very good, but like I said I'm really enjoying painting as myself, and I feel like I'm still growing and changing, and I've been told it comes across in my paintings. Thanks for sharing, I'll see if I can find myself some parents, above all else though I shall always continue to learn and experiment and explore. Cheers!
Man, I can't thank you enough for this show. Your synergy and different points of views mix so well it's just awesome. Lots of great advice, very charming conversation...it's just a lot in every episode. You've excelled even more in what you're doing Stan...seriously, keep this up. You guys are just great people doing great work! Looking forward to the next episode.
My art parents.... damn I've got a few... Artgerm, ModernDayJames, Marc Brunet and Proko(Ofcourse)
I frequently draw on my experiences learning to play guitar in a band (I used to be a professional musician in the 80s/90s) when learning art (I began in 2016).
This is so parallel to your musical influences! Too often you'll hear derivative bands, sometimes to the point where I can tell you exactly what album they like best (from their influencer). My guitarist and drummer were 100% metal musicians who listened to metal exclusively. My singer and I (guitar and later bass) listened to EVERYTHING. You'd get notes of Willie and Segovia and Reinhardt and Muddy and James Brown hidden in metallic melodies and rhythms, giving the music a depth and interest that wouldn't have been there if we, too, had been 100% metal influenced.
It's so much easier to break out of 4/4 straight beats when you've delved into flamenco or manouche! Same thing applies to art.
Stan is so type A sometimes lol. Marshall just chill sounding like the narrator from A Christmas Carol. We need a dramatic reading.
Probably my favorite draftsmen episode
i swear by god that your podcasts are the best xD
I've found that motivation comes at different times for everyone and you guys talked about it for a couple of minutes. I recommend the book The Power of When by Michael Breus. Sounds like Marshall and his mother were nocturnal types at that point. That's why they felt motivated at night. But people who either prefer to wake up too early or too late are the minority, so we have to find out if the "standard" social time is actually good for our genetic predisposition, and the book has a lot of suggestions for every type of person. It's helped me a lot.
Anyway, my art parents are Alphonse Mucha, Leyendecker, and John Singer Sargent. I don't remember any names in particular but I like the Japanese hanga very much.
Quite possibly the greatest video thumbnail of all time
Prokos rant about learning for 5 years is so funny haha... I feel that frustration. People really dont understand that drawing and painting for the first 5 years really is just grinding to an academic level, and then moving freely in your skillset
Seeking a like minded community is the best thing one can do imho. There's encouragement, (hopefully) helpful criticism, sometimes new friends and most importantly the sharing which is quite an boost in encouragement to "keep going".
Love this podcast! My top 5:
1) Nathan Fowkes
2) Hayao Miyazaki
3) John Singer Sargent
4) Thomas Moran
5) Tyler Jacobson
This is my favorite podcast. (The one I really really look forward to.)
I think you two make an excellent team. Marshall is probably too hippy-ish and loving and lenient if left to his own devices. And Stan is probably too ultra-focused and intense if left to himself. So the pairing is a great compliment (due to the contrast).
A GREAT example of this is when you guys do a long critique on people's gestures in Proko's Figure Fundamental class. At one point, Stan correctly chastises a student for not approaching the exercise correctly and seems to want to move on. But Marshall steps in and praises the student for something she actually did correctly. It was a great moment and it made me appreciate both teachers.
My favorite part of this particular video was when Stan responded to Marshall by saying something like, "So you're encouraging him to be fine with mediocrity?" It's the difference in temperament that allows these great moments to happen.
Thank you for the wonderful podcast.
I get what you guys are saying about diverse parents, but at the same time if the student who specialized in the Frazetta style truly mastered it, perhaps that brought the student a sense of fulfillment and accomplishment along the way, then that can be reward enough for that individual as well as fans of that style. Now he can create the kind of art that he loves instead of just collect it and view it, he can create and play in that Frazetta world personally.
Imagine there's a band who's music you love but the band stops making good albums. You might teach yourself to play in their style when they were at the height of their abilities, and so now you can carry the torch and keep that sound from dying out.
So think of it like a musician who only wants to sound like Pantera and has no interest in learning to sound like pop, polka, or jazz. They're not gonna be happy unless they can play in their preferred style. And I look at Frazetta and it's beautiful, so more of that can't be a bad thing right? At least for those of us who are admirers of that style right? Not that there's anything wrong with jazz. However, not everyone is so eclectic and that's fine. The are some people who only master Tai-Kwon-Do, and others who see the advantage of mixed martial arts.
Besides, you can't always do something new and unique, eventually you exhaust the obvious possibilities. If everything's been done before, might as well pick your drug of choice and master it IF you can't think of anything better. For some artists however that is limiting because some people have more creativity than others and they CAN think of something better. More power to them as far as I'm concerned.
But again, some artists favor a particular genre, and so they're not gonna be happy doing anything else. They're gonna be hyper focused on taking on the responsibility of expressing that one style faithfully through discipline. And that is what provides them with a sense of purpose and meaning that fulfills them. No harm in that, they're just enjoying the freedom to follow their own interests.
If all artists did the same style, then it would be boring and stagnant of course. And I can see how it's a form of self gratification to only create what you love to the exclusion of creativity itself. And that can be like an addiction that can handicap your creative side. I get it. But to me there's no rules for artists. They're like cats. They're gonna follow their interests and the only way you're gonna get rid of that is with tyrannical social pressure. And maybe that's a road that we don't want to go down.
Not saying that's what you're doing! I think what you guys are doing is what you should be doing, which is educating and articulating your knowledge. There is tremendous good in what you're saying. I'm just thinking out loud about various students in general that we encounter and trying to assess what's going on in various corners of approach. Also, I just want to engage with the video because it helps with the algorithm if your videos get engagement and I love the channel.
At the end of the day, as long as there's still some variety out there in the world, which there will always be, then artists should be free to do what they want. And teachers should be free to teach those who would make good students. But some people probably just aren't after the eclectic knowledge and they get stuck in narrow, selfish pursuits. But even if every artist started doing the same art style, that would just open the door for new artists to fill the demand for something unique. I think the free market and the human propensity for boredom will automatically ensure that the variety of individual creativity will continue to flourish.
Artists will create what they see and understand. Teachers like you can help them to see more and expand their understanding. That's very good, and I get a lot of value from videos like this. But there's gonna be some students who have special needs, the artistic inbreds, as you refer to them. And that's okay too. I think I might be one of them. But you've given me somethingto think about, and I appreciate that. I like discovering new perspectives. Keep up the good work guys!
*Edit: I just got a little further into the video and you guys already covered the point I was trying to make. And you addressed it more clearly than I could. Ha! That'll teach me to comment before watching the whole video! Nice discussion guys, really good content.
Are you the Franzetta guy?
@@MingusDynastyy No, I'm just your typical dime a dozen Frazetta fanboy. Aside from him, I geek out over Drew Struzan's movie poster art style. I'm into realism that focusses on impact using fantasy cover/poster composition. I'm a glutton for realism covered in the 'icing' as it were.
Derek Moore I understand.
I love the honesty in these videos. The raw unfiltered assessments and critiques.
love how dynamic this conversation is
I think the one who comes closest to an art parent for me is James Gurney. I can spend hours looking at his work. There are many others that inspire me in different styles and subject matters, from William Alexander to Norman Rockwell, Bob Ross to Boris Vallejo. But in general I think James Gurney is my biggest inspiration.
Jeez...I haven't heard talk like this since art school. No one ever mentions the golden age guys. Like illustration is still very much an underground industry or scene if you will. Please keep it up. This is great. Especially when I don't really have anyone around to talk to about this kind of stuff 👍
I agree, man!
I would say my 'art parents', in order of discovery as I was a kid, are Akira Toriyama (Dragon Ball, Dr. Slump), Greg Capullo (Spawn), Nacho Fernández (Dragon Fall) and Genndy Tartakovsky (Dexter's Lab).
My art parents...
My #1 art parent is Henri Toulouse-Lautrec. I consider him to be my spirit animal in art... his poster art, to me, is the quintessential advertising art... bold... and yet a bit disturbing...
The thumbnail is a master piece
I just love this. It actually makes it better Proko and Marshall have some counter ideas with each other, it makes the topics richer and makes up for a broader view. Whereas there's one guy telling his opinion without being criticized on anything, a lot more just comes out when there's two countering each other's views.
John Singer Sargent
Maxfield Parrish
James Gurney
George Bridgman
Frank Frazetta
I'd never heard of Franklin Booth, but when i looked him up I realized that I'd seen some of his art children before. I think it works out like that a lot.
Yeaaaaay 50min! I’m gonna enjoy listening to this amazing podcast while painting! 😍
Damn, I’m not even five years old, I love your back and forth, this podcast always holds my attention
Miss En
Me neither, now that I've seen this I consider myself barely 1 year old
About being accountable. I have a job, a wife a daughter and a life that doesn't give space for me to be an artist. So, I had to create my own space and that is from 3:00 to 5:00 am. Then I start my normal day.
I'd say learn fundamentals first. I adopted parents first and all I have is other peoppes styles and just now starting to get my own style and I'm 34 and been drawing my whole life
Justin Sweet.
Did so many studies and then I realized that I was getting to close to it so I've broadened my horizon. Still, as years went by I hold him in high regard, he even might be the reason why I picked up a pencil at 22.
This was so good! Agh this is my favorite podcast ever. You guys seriously give such great constructive and encouraging advice
So amazing! I just recently bought a book on Albrecht Durer! Found his art a while ago and there is something about his art which I just love. Another great show, thank you so much, long may it continue!
Nature is the best teacher/parent ever.
This episode is amazing! I had no art parents, particularly, and was just painting what I wanted to. But a week or so ago, I thought, "gee, maybe I should get out of my rut and try copying other artists' style to branch out a bit." My first choice was one of my faves, Lawrence Alma-Tadema, so I'm working on one of those. And then it occurred to me that I might try a Frazetta next. Holy Synchronicity, Batman.
The reason I thought of Frazetta was because of my recent awareness that Egyptian Queen had just sold for $5.5 mil. Whoosh!
And all this talk about Big Daddy Roth and Mort Drucker really brings back memories. I was copying Drucker's style in high school and I loved him. But I think one of my earliest influences was Ed Emshwiller. I'll have to work him in.
Oh, btw - that Jon Gnagy book was my first art instruction.
|Originality, ideas, and emotion are the requirements, of fantasy type Artists, this is what's needed even before we begin to draw or paint
Yup
I'm the same way with the voicemail guy. I have moments of motivation to keep learning how to draw and then I have sometimes long periods of time where I have no motivation and where nothing I draw feels good.
Granted I'm still very new, picked up drawing more professionally since I haven't done it much since I was really young. But one thing that I think helps is just to start small and do some basic warmups. I just sit there and doodle and scribble different shapes and figure out their shadows etc. After a bit of that I usually feel motivated enough to get something real done.
my art parents are marco bucci and sinix design
So am i plus moderndayjames and proko
sinix left to get milk as hasn't came back for 10 years
@@yevmann but he brought home a gallon 3 weeks ago. :D it felt like i've been waiting forever.
@@yevmann lol. His last post was like a month ago, apparently he moved to a new place and prepping stuff for yt.
I just love Marco Bucci’s style! But it is not something that would fit my work I think. His brushwork is so nice
Is there a link where I can find the full resolution images that you guys use as thumbnails for these videos?
There's a much larger version of the intro image on the main proko page here: www.proko.com/ (it'll be gone once the next video comes out). I'd like to get a gallery of these up somewhere though since these thumbnails are such a precious jewel of human culture.
@@kullenberg nice
@@seanramsey If you want to get older thumbnails, go to the episode's page on Proko's website, right click anywhere and "View Source". In there there's usually the facebook thumbnails stored, so search for (ctrl+f) ".jpg" and you'll find something like "www.proko.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Draftsmen-Episode-1-FB.jpg". Copy and paste that link and hey presto, a full size image.
I look forward to these podcasts all the time. Keep them coming!
Frazetta was no slouch when it comes to draftsmanship, especially toward the latter half of his career.
Haha Durer is one of my heroes but I look to Gustave Doré more partly for that reason but more so because of the way he applied his skill to create epic scenes.
I love DaVinci's notebooks, his lines are so graceful. My favorite painting is the Isenhiem Alterpiece by Mathias Grunewald, because it shows grit and beauty.
For comics its been Serpieri and Moebius for the last 16 years.
Aw, man! I thought you guys were going to talk about friggen' Sargent! But hey, you talked about Bernie Wrightson, so it's all good. Kinda. Mostly good.
Anyways, yeah, I love it when you show art from people that you're talking about. YES. Do more of that!
One guy that has a beeeeautiful inking and crosshatching style that's also from Comics is (muthafuggin') Frank Cho. Gawsh darn it, that guy is good. He does very similar women, but that inking and the values and whatnot... Superb stuff.
I was (and am) influenced by a huge amount of people. I wanted to draw like Mort Drucker too when I was growing up. I would imitate artists from Mad Magazine, in part, I think, because it was what I was reading at the time. I liked "funnies" more than I liked superheroes. But growing up you get to know other artists that you like, and you get influenced by their style or subject matter... And here's where I think I disagree with Marshall: That one student that was enamorated with Frazetta and picked up Boris Vallejo as a secondary influence. It may be a phase. And he may be learning a lot from both of those artists! I mean, it's not a problem! He may seek other stuff in the future too!
how did I JUST realized the draftsman intro is an acapella version of the intro music for the Proko videos
I didn’t realized it until you said it
Sometimes the pauses help you grow...forcing everything is not good..I think
Marshall can talk forever.
when i was a teenager i wanted to draw like frazetta, Kirby, Moebius, Maroto...today too...
Yes Great editions. My art parents are Rockwell, Leyendecker and all the artist that did illustrations for magazine covers..I like narrative and started taking life drawing at the society of illustrators here in NYC.
My art parents are: Kentaro Miura, Jim Lee, Frank Frazetta, Tite Kubo, Todd McFarlane, Genndy Tartakovsky, Jack Kirby, Junji Ito, and Hirohiko Araki.
My art parents right now are Vilppu, Glen Keane, Rembrandt, Leyendecker, and Whistler. :)
Glen Keane has such nice work indeed! I love his rough animations, so beautiful
I like the way you think
Thank you so much for this! There are SO MANY people to choose from today. #21stcenturyproblems
The social accountability is good advice for some people... BUT!... not for me. I have found a way around it though. See, for me, the act of telling people 'I'm going to do X' is feeding the ego enough to not pursue the actual act. I get the high from that and just sit on the couch and fantasize instead. Now, I don't tell anyone my plans AND I do a little everyday. Just a little. Even if it's just five minutes, which, it never ends up being only five minutes. This is applicable to anything in life! Working out, diets, or any change you're trying to make. It's hard to change because you're breaking habits. But it's possible.
Art parents, Alan Lee,Alex Toth, Akira Toriyama, Egon Schiele, Brian Stelfreeze, Kadir Nelson, Peter DeSieve, Charles White, Azipiri,Ian McCaig, Thomas Blackshear, John Buscema.
Hi Stan and Marshall,
I wanted to add a few things regarding the fake poses of the old masters. If you had a chance to check out the manga or the anime for JoJo's Bizarre Adventure and the art that goes into making it you will find out a lot of the characters' poses are influenced by Michelangelo's sculptures and paintings however the content/story/artiness of the series has a great compatibility with this fake pose style. The humor, the muscly build of heroes+villains as well as the cockiness of the characters and spirits of these characters almost go hand in hand with that kind of style. It's as if all the heroes are mannequins and they do mannequin poses because they permeate an air of invulnerability however, of course, a lot of the conflict in this story comes with the clash between these characters and the subsequent dissipation of this portrayal of invincibility... I'm not too great at explaining all the nuances here but I would say if you want to see a medium where the 'fake poses' work in wonderous ways make sure to check JoJo out.
Love the talks and the work you guys put into the episodes. Much love and kind regards from Utrecht!
Bridgman found me in the middle school library and adopted me. He was a stern but charismatic father. Later Uncle Bill Sienkiewicz watched me for a summer, and then met Fechin in a museum in Oklahoma, who introduced me to Jeff Watts... Ashley Wood kicks in the door once in a while, and then Whistler is always showing up for dinner unannounced.
Another great show! Love your work, by the way!
Great stuff, man!
Marshall should make a podcast. Could listen forever
I had so many art parents since before high school. I started out with comicbook artist and when I was in High School I started to learn about Fine Artist both past and contemporary. I liked Sargent, Menzel, Homer, Rembrandt, etc. really too many to mention. I also liked a lot of illustrators, Leyndecker, Cornwell were special favorites. I had an painting instructor who taught a bit of art history during the times the model would take a break and I learned so much from him. One of the things I enjoyed doing was when I latched on to a particular artist that I liked I would always try to find out who that artist was influenced by so learning about artist was always an ongoing thing and my list of artistic influences always grew. I find it hard to believe people can pick out such few names when there is so much good work out there. Contemporary artist that I like include, Harvey Dinnerstein, Burt Silverman, Dean Mitchell, Max Ginsberg, Steve Assell, again too many to mention. I dont always try to paint like them but there is always something I can learn by studying their work.
My art parents are Tommy Castillo, Steve Huston, Craola Greg Simkins, and Loish.
My art parents are, Aaron Blaiser, TB Choi, Booby Chiu, Toniko Pantoja, and many more, their work is incredible!