Winning the argument and losing a fighter 😭 This is what Dr Ndlozi said before and it is happening to him😭 EFF will never be the same without Ndlozi. He is the thinking machine, has charisma. CIC said that himself. I feel sorry for Ndlozi for being bulldozed like this yet he is so humble. God bless him and his future endeavors 🙏
You are 100% correct brother. Our CIC is flawed. Like how can your attack Ndlozi's wife?? How can you attack Sizwe, wenzeni uSizwe manje?? Sometimes he is too egotistical and petty.
MK clowns.."our CIC " stop people fooling liars You are not hurt one bit You just wanna get to Malema using Ndlozi...he is your nightmare ....😂😂😂😂😂 And we love Malema and his leadership style... Your host is always against Malema leadership jumping at any opportunity to undermine him ..after he claims he voted for EFF How can you vote for a person whose leadership style you dnt like?? Madness This whole talk is people trying to discourage and descridit EFF and Malema leadership We will see what future holds doomsayers
I fully agree my King,blind following is dangerous if you could ask those that are fighting Mbuyiseni Ndlozi of what wrong Did Mbuyiseni do,they won't answer you beside throwing insults at you.
@@mandlabuthelezi8082 Imagine when Zuma left ANC. Then people of RET still in ANC are persecuted by Cyril "why did you remain silent". ANC is always attacked in socials, imagine Cyril persecute ANC people who remain silent. Like their arguments make no sense.
@@Lawrancemohapi There is no flawless leader. We love our CIC. But he has flaws, he isn't perfect. Showing our disappointment doesn't mean we hate CIC or EFF. We want EFF to be at the top but if you're losing your Ronaldos and Messi's especially in this manner, then you diminish your chances.
Bad apples will go, and good ones will remain. People will realize once Julius Malema no more . A lot has been said about Julius Malema through out social media and people believed. Last but not least no one knows how much intelligence the leadership of EFF.
Malema’s intelligent is so useless if it makes him to destroy the EFF. Malema is rejected by the majority of the South Africans because he is a bully and he is rude, he has no emotional intelligence, he thinks that fighting is more useful than reasoning.
Yes you are so right Kagiso about Malema’s stupid attitude killing the country/continent. He must forget our votes!! Which we did and put our efforts in it but we did not know him truly until he showed us his colors. You are right Kagiso!! Let’s talk our minds out!!
I love you Kagiso 👏🏾👏🏾you are my guy!! And I will support you all the way when you remain resilient and truthful to your heart desires and speak out against the corruption and wrongdoing ✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾
King Dr Ndlozi got morals and integrity and very humbled he doesn't want to make noise and arguments so he decided to keep quiet and gave God a space to fight his battles on his behalf, remember Ndlozi is also anointed christian
Truly it is a lose bt honestly in an organization or in a house hold trust is very important if there is no trust u cn work nicely together. However as other pple said the Doc is still young he cn form his own organization bt wat I am seeing is hz gna join with Floyd coz I dnt see Floyd lasting long in MKP, we wish him good luck in whatever he is going to pursue EFF is a big organization we still have the Naledi Chirwas I think it's their time to shine nw.
King, I agree 100% my brother. I always tell people to really think about it, in terms of age, brains, charisma, relatability, everything... He is the best in SA right now. I love my CIC. But I believe number 1 he was intimidated by Ndlozi. If he had become SG or DP, Malema knew his days were counted as the CIC of EFF. 2nd, you are spot on, Malema just became a little rogue after Floyd departure. He is very emotional in how he deals with issues, he is not calm and calculated as he should as a leader.
I may be wrong but I think EFF /Malema made a complete mistake here Dr Ndlozi seems to be very intelligent, calm, and collected all at the same time , I’m MK supporter mind you It seems like he is loyal to EFF as well as he managed to keep to himself, some of Malema’s statements made publicly sounded quite personal and humiliating but Dr Ndlozi still did not react even though some if not all such statements were extremely negative particularly before and during EFF elective conference My perception is Malema is threatened by Dr Ndlozi’s popularity which appears to lean towards an alleged element of autocracy It would be a big loss for EFF if Dr Ndlozi ends up leaving
I've noticed some of podcasts, whenever you differ from their opinions, they turn to mock you. My brother, it's refreshing to hear how you responded to those who disagree with you 🙏
King and folks do we people follow a political party because of personslities or because of ideology?. People if we follow political parties because of personalities then we don't know what we are doing and if that is the case then we are doomed. We shall never get to our political destination. One would think Dr Nlozi is a matured person and has the right to open up and come up with his side of the story. His silence is questionable and leaves much to be desired. Once again politics is about party ideology NOT personalities. Parties built on personalities DOT NOT LAST. We only need Strong personal characters and vision to drive the ideology.
@@Azaniabrands these guys are too shallow, they are pretending to care just to throw jabs at CIC ..dnt take these MK clowns...if it was masquarading as analysts ..if Zuma they wld hv said it's decisive leadership and chess moves
Dr Ndlozi has survived the attacks of the totalitarian , his character is intact, wishing him and his family all the best... he remains a bigger man in the EFF...
All the people who lived under a dictator, they know what it means to live under that kind of regime. There are flags of dictatorship from CiC, and the people who ignore those warnings, they do so to their own peril.
We should honestly watch the fighters real close in these coming years as there's a huge possibility of them allying more with WMC because of what they see as lost opportunities to get into parliament and an even greater desire to spite MK members and its leaders, including their former members (especially Floyd). Saze savelelwa eSouth Africa ngama home grown askari. Thula uzobona!
King mbuyiseni is the next present of eff and the country ,watch that space, and my fear is the political assassinations that are prevalent in these atmosphere of our country,I'm deeply in pain like you
🙆♂️🙆♂️🙆♂️😢😢😢Indeed, this is very sad . What is happening at the EFF is disheartening & I'm not sure if they will recover. My hope is fading. CIC must reflect. This was the an excellent team in changing the political landscape. 😢
@@Thobiliwasir1871 you mk clowns..."my CIC" then you speak nonsense about him If it was Zuma you calling it chess moves and strategic move ...I dnt take you serious lena
Mbuyiseni Ndlozi will be independent revolutionary and he should travel around the continent and give the knowledge and experience in the country and he is the calibre of PLO Lumumba and Dr Arikana and we will support him fully! So we are here waiting for him. You Kagiso you are bias Ndlozi must go continental and international speak his mind out and benefit the world because the South Africans are so narrow minded they can not see the cream. So they must stay in their narrow mindedness
Malema is jealous of other leaders he want to be incharged and only a shining person bcos Malema is so selfish look what Floyd came out in his shell after left EFF. Ndlonzi deserve better than this kind of treated
Exactly! King! I'm so angry myself! It's Julius who doesn't want Ndlozi, not EFF! I'll say this again and again: It's Julius who's going to destroy EFF! Some EFF members are going to leave him because of his selfish decisions! This Resignation is going to hurt EFF! Good question, What Godrich has done or said since he became DP? Has he addressed anyone? Dololo!
He would be wise to join MK before end January as MK has a few free unoccupied seats, and these are reserved for people like Ndlozi who will advance the MK program of liberation of the African poor.. Eswatini Tinkhundla.
Let put everything in God hands as it says we must bring ALL our burden to him .He will do the rest.Unity and Peace is what we pray for S.A Politics at large
😂😂 king the guy just stepped aside and his status still valuable as a member of eff and we should also question why ndlozi doesn't respond and will see if he's gona earn his loyalty
Why are you blaming Ndlozi. Malema insulted his wife in public and continued humiliating him. Mbuyiseni has dignity but Malema miscalculated thinking Ndlozi will play dirty with him. That's why Malema was getting angrier but he was exposing himself everyday he insulted Ndlozi. Since when did Malema keep secrets that now he doesn't want to tell us what Ndlozi did? Malema must stop preaching unity coz it's only theory to him, he wants ti surround himself with yes men and that will be his downfall.
IM a member of EFF but we deserve to know what did Ndlozi do for CIC or to the EFF to deserve all this treatment? We want to know what happened. And i know Floyd was scared to be challenged by Dr Ndlozi in the position of DP
Only God what Will happen..... Let's see bt nothing will stop EFF to Go on I believe strong enough that EFF will never Die..... NDLOZI Go To MKP whach the space Ba4 ... ..... let them go cz they plan it to long .... Viva EFF
King Dr Ndlozi was caught red handed sharing crucial information with Floyd about the party and if that information can be shared in the public domain none of us including your and the rest of South africa wont believe. So can we close this topic so we can protect his career and allow him to decide what he wants to do.
From diaspora original Quito kuanavale Angola 🇦🇴 the struggle of Liberation of Africa which Quito kuanavale played its part by shedding its blood still Africa is not free maybe the Sahel region.
Dr Ndlozi will never join the MK, members of MK want to build their party using EFF because in the MK there is no leadership there. And remember Godrich Gardeee signed from parliament for 5 years in the EFF and he remains a member of EFF. So Ndlozi will remain a member of EFF and will go back to parliament next year
People I understand how you feel about Dr.Ndlozis wife's but remember what was said in Media by her the response came back through media so is still a member of eff we all love All members of eff 😂😂 it's interesting to discuss eff whoo nice.
I'm too saddened by his resignation & i think the CIC should have done better in dealing with the issue of the good Dr & to attack him using his partner was very low of him but i guess he's making way for Godrich Gardee as an MP.
Hi king ,im heartbroken about Ndlozi resignation from parliament .but this thing is more than Ndlozi not telling Julius about Floyd leaving .banna lets try to see things differently what happened but Ndlozi must tell the truth ,here i thinkNdlozi was becoming unreliable and outside forces were using him (just my thinking ) please lets try to look at both sides . Please dont attack Julius but im saying kunuka santungwana la .
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Winning the argument and losing a fighter 😭
This is what Dr Ndlozi said before and it is happening to him😭
EFF will never be the same without Ndlozi. He is the thinking machine, has charisma. CIC said that himself. I feel sorry for Ndlozi for being bulldozed like this yet he is so humble. God bless him and his future endeavors 🙏
You are 100% correct brother.
Our CIC is flawed.
Like how can your attack Ndlozi's wife??
How can you attack Sizwe, wenzeni uSizwe manje??
Sometimes he is too egotistical and petty.
MK clowns.."our CIC " stop people fooling liars
You are not hurt one bit
You just wanna get to Malema using Ndlozi...he is your nightmare ....😂😂😂😂😂
And we love Malema and his leadership style...
Your host is always against Malema leadership jumping at any opportunity to undermine him ..after he claims he voted for EFF
How can you vote for a person whose leadership style you dnt like?? Madness
This whole talk is people trying to discourage and descridit EFF and Malema leadership
We will see what future holds doomsayers
I fully agree my King,blind following is dangerous if you could ask those that are fighting Mbuyiseni Ndlozi of what wrong Did Mbuyiseni do,they won't answer you beside throwing insults at you.
@@mandlabuthelezi8082 offcourse you dnt see any thing wrong because you all Zuma people that sees fault with anything CIC does ...
@@mandlabuthelezi8082 Imagine when Zuma left ANC. Then people of RET still in ANC are persecuted by Cyril "why did you remain silent".
ANC is always attacked in socials, imagine Cyril persecute ANC people who remain silent.
Like their arguments make no sense.
@@Lawrancemohapi There is no flawless leader. We love our CIC. But he has flaws, he isn't perfect. Showing our disappointment doesn't mean we hate CIC or EFF. We want EFF to be at the top but if you're losing your Ronaldos and Messi's especially in this manner, then you diminish your chances.
Hi, Michael from Gauteng in Westonaria,we love you King for uniting Africans
Bad apples will go, and good ones will remain. People will realize once Julius Malema no more . A lot has been said about Julius Malema through out social media and people believed. Last but not least no one knows how much intelligence the leadership of EFF.
Malema’s intelligent is so useless if it makes him to destroy the EFF.
Malema is rejected by the majority of the South Africans because he is a bully and he is rude, he has no emotional intelligence, he thinks that fighting is more useful than reasoning.
Ndlozi was pushed out of the eff by the big elephant 🐘 in the house it's a big loss for the eff😢this organization will collapse like cope and UDM
Every Organisation would love to have Ndlozi
FF+ Would be happy to have him.
Pieter Groenewald would welcome him.
Yes you are so right Kagiso about Malema’s stupid attitude killing the country/continent.
He must forget our votes!! Which we did and put our efforts in it but we did not know him truly until he showed us his colors.
You are right Kagiso!! Let’s talk our minds out!!
hee banna ? take your votes elsewhere
I love Ndlozi's 5 times table. Such a great Tutor.
Hi I’m in UK and enjoying your space, keep it up.Sad news about Dr Ndlozi!!!
@@SwazieMahlobo-ni4rk thank you so much for your support
I love you Kagiso 👏🏾👏🏾you are my guy!! And I will support you all the way when you remain resilient and truthful to your heart desires and speak out against the corruption and wrongdoing ✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾
Malema is not threatened but jealous!!!!
King Dr Ndlozi got morals and integrity and very humbled he doesn't want to make noise and arguments so he decided to keep quiet and gave God a space to fight his battles on his behalf, remember Ndlozi is also anointed christian
Truly it is a lose bt honestly in an organization or in a house hold trust is very important if there is no trust u cn work nicely together. However as other pple said the Doc is still young he cn form his own organization bt wat I am seeing is hz gna join with Floyd coz I dnt see Floyd lasting long in MKP, we wish him good luck in whatever he is going to pursue EFF is a big organization we still have the Naledi Chirwas I think it's their time to shine nw.
King, I agree 100% my brother.
I always tell people to really think about it, in terms of age, brains, charisma, relatability, everything...
He is the best in SA right now.
I love my CIC.
But I believe number 1 he was intimidated by Ndlozi. If he had become SG or DP, Malema knew his days were counted as the CIC of EFF.
2nd, you are spot on, Malema just became a little rogue after Floyd departure. He is very emotional in how he deals with issues, he is not calm and calculated as he should as a leader.
King I'm watching from Queenstown Eastern cape
Word King! I missed the live but caching up. I too am bleeding because of how Ndlozi was treated
Politics is not for the weak and faint hearted ,betrayal in Politics is a big issue
Hi Big king Mike from Limpopo Relela we r with u keep breaking through u r indeed king
Hi King I'm watching from Kagiso Mogale City
Good evening King, watching you from East London
Malema is not fair, Dr Ndlozi has a right to talk or not to talk about other people’s decisions.
King I feel u 😢. The pain u are going through, most of us are with u. Ndlozi is a very humble person and he didn't deserve all that treatment
We are between grass and hay in EFF after we ve lost so many votes bcs of borders issue
And that his smile is everything 😊 his humility. Like u say King he is annointed
I may be wrong but I think EFF /Malema made a complete mistake here
Dr Ndlozi seems to be very intelligent, calm, and collected all at the same time , I’m MK supporter mind you
It seems like he is loyal to EFF as well as he managed to keep to himself, some of Malema’s statements made publicly sounded quite personal and humiliating but Dr Ndlozi still did not react even though some if not all such statements were extremely negative particularly before and during EFF elective conference
My perception is Malema is threatened by Dr Ndlozi’s popularity which appears to lean towards an alleged element of autocracy
It would be a big loss for EFF if Dr Ndlozi ends up leaving
Ndlozi is still young may God guide him , He has what it takes
Lets not turn a blind eye the man have a constituency and it will cost the EFF
lets wait n see
I love DR Ndlozi
I've noticed some of podcasts, whenever you differ from their opinions, they turn to mock you. My brother, it's refreshing to hear how you responded to those who disagree with you 🙏
King why dont u ask Ndlozi ?
Mbuyiseni is a politician period.lets wait and see.
Silent is wisdom King, you will see for yoursel
DR Ndlozi bizani fire brigade kuyatsha mlilo ♥♥♥♥♥ ooow cde ndlozi
King and folks do we people follow a political party because of personslities or because of ideology?. People if we follow political parties because of personalities then we don't know what we are doing and if that is the case then we are doomed. We shall never get to our political destination.
One would think Dr Nlozi is a matured person and has the right to open up and come up with his side of the story. His silence is questionable and leaves much to be desired.
Once again politics is about party ideology NOT personalities. Parties built on personalities DOT NOT LAST.
We only need Strong personal characters and vision to drive the ideology.
@@Azaniabrands these guys are too shallow, they are pretending to care just to throw jabs at CIC ..dnt take these MK clowns...if it was masquarading as analysts ..if Zuma they wld hv said it's decisive leadership and chess moves
It's unfortunate that the most prominent voices on social media these days are factionalism and personality politics.
Am with you 100 percent the guy is the best politician I ever listened to.
Dr Ndlozi has survived the attacks of the totalitarian , his character is intact, wishing him and his family all the best... he remains a bigger man in the EFF...
Kagiso .hi.my leader ✊
All the people who lived under a dictator, they know what it means to live under that kind of regime. There are flags of dictatorship from CiC, and the people who ignore those warnings, they do so to their own peril.
Hi King from the Uk 🇬🇧 my Paseta greetings Ndzuri
Great attire these days
❤Love Mali eningi ningi
@@gidmosia7065 one love mu brother. 🙏
We should honestly watch the fighters real close in these coming years as there's a huge possibility of them allying more with WMC because of what they see as lost opportunities to get into parliament and an even greater desire to spite MK members and its leaders, including their former members (especially Floyd). Saze savelelwa eSouth Africa ngama home grown askari. Thula uzobona!
King mbuyiseni is the next present of eff and the country ,watch that space, and my fear is the political assassinations that are prevalent in these atmosphere of our country,I'm deeply in pain like you
Kodwa king u Ndlozi uzibonise kaningi ukubekezela ku Eff bathule bathini ku Eff laphaphezulu naphansi
Job watching from Bokenhoutkloofdrift
🙆♂️🙆♂️🙆♂️😢😢😢Indeed, this is very sad . What is happening at the EFF is disheartening & I'm not sure if they will recover. My hope is fading. CIC must reflect. This was the an excellent team in changing the political landscape. 😢
Parliament will never be the same loosing such wisdom 🥺🥺🥺
King am watching from UK though my blood is in SA
My CIC thinks He can unit Africa but can't handle the little disagreement with his people
@@Thobiliwasir1871 you mk clowns..."my CIC" then you speak nonsense about him
If it was Zuma you calling it chess moves and strategic move ...I dnt take you serious lena
Mbuyiseni Ndlozi will be independent revolutionary and he should travel around the continent and give the knowledge and experience in the country and he is the calibre of PLO Lumumba and Dr Arikana and we will support him fully! So we are here waiting for him.
You Kagiso you are bias Ndlozi must go continental and international speak his mind out and benefit the world because the South Africans are so narrow minded they can not see the cream. So they must stay in their narrow mindedness
I love DR Ndlozi very much
Hi it's Louis here from Witbank emalahleni.
Ola I'm Msawenkosi from Mount Fletcher, Dengwane location
Hi north west is in. Also in pain, nothing can be done. Let's give Dr space to decide.
Watching from Bushbuckridge,feel so sad
Malema is jealous of other leaders he want to be incharged and only a shining person bcos Malema is so selfish look what Floyd came out in his shell after left EFF. Ndlonzi deserve better than this kind of treated
I am also in pain I like Ndlozi
Who's the advisor of the CIC? If he has I would like to know if he takes advice from anyone.
Half of EFF members have left the EFF today ngenhliziyo,
Ur a liar
Very true, considering how respectful Dr.Ndlozi was , throughout the whole process....
Only those who dont understand English like u.ndlosi resign from parliment he is still a eff member
Hahaha, there's nothing like that. You have made EFF an individual party. We are not MK party of Jacob Zuma.
Yeses you're a really fighter .
Too be strong means to be rude or arrogant to some people
King you are absolutely right in SA is a mess in the politics and the DA will be happy that there's no Unity among themselves
Awe King... Kano Pitso in Bloemfontein, I made time to watch you live
Bongani from Midrand ❤
Exactly! King! I'm so angry myself! It's Julius who doesn't want Ndlozi, not EFF! I'll say this again and again: It's Julius who's going to destroy EFF!
Some EFF members are going to leave him because of his selfish decisions! This Resignation is going to hurt EFF! Good question, What Godrich has done or said since he became DP? Has he addressed anyone? Dololo!
He would be wise to join MK before end January as MK has a few free unoccupied seats, and these are reserved for people like Ndlozi who will advance the MK program of liberation of the African poor.. Eswatini Tinkhundla.
King, we love Ndlodzi, but we don't know what causes the differences between Malema and ndlodzi.
Let put everything in God hands as it says we must bring ALL our burden to him .He will do the rest.Unity and Peace is what we pray for S.A Politics at large
Mcebo Dlamini should definitely be in parly
He resigned what must we do!
Zuma endorsed Orania, and it was ok with you king you never opposed that on your podcast
😂😂 king the guy just stepped aside and his status still valuable as a member of eff and we should also question why ndlozi doesn't respond and will see if he's gona earn his loyalty
Why are you blaming Ndlozi. Malema insulted his wife in public and continued humiliating him. Mbuyiseni has dignity but Malema miscalculated thinking Ndlozi will play dirty with him. That's why Malema was getting angrier but he was exposing himself everyday he insulted Ndlozi. Since when did Malema keep secrets that now he doesn't want to tell us what Ndlozi did?
Malema must stop preaching unity coz it's only theory to him, he wants ti surround himself with yes men and that will be his downfall.
Is your status valuable as an EFF member 😂😂😂don't play with us ...Does your CIC even know you ...??what has your loyalty earned you??
Hi I'm in klersdorp
I am following my man for Mamelodi
Hi King watching from Lesotho
King the is no one above the party!!!!!!!!!
Hlengiwe Mkhaliphi she is a founder
IM a member of EFF but we deserve to know what did Ndlozi do for CIC or to the EFF to deserve all this treatment?
We want to know what happened. And i know Floyd was scared to be challenged by Dr Ndlozi in the position of DP
You are on point Sir 👌
Only God what Will happen..... Let's see bt nothing will stop EFF to Go on I believe strong enough that EFF will never Die..... NDLOZI Go To MKP whach the space Ba4 ... ..... let them go cz they plan it to long .... Viva EFF
King I share your sentiments
Julius can never be the president of Africa while Traori Ibrahim is there and he is not bribable period.
Hi
Hi am in Zambia
King Dr Ndlozi was caught red handed sharing crucial information with Floyd about the party and if that information can be shared in the public domain none of us including your and the rest of South africa wont believe. So can we close this topic so we can protect his career and allow him to decide what he wants to do.
Eff is eff with or without ndlozi
South Africans we lost a brain in Parliament a sound mind that could keep our parliament alive.
Mosel bay is awake my king
Danny in Soweto 🖐
King is PM Malatji, Ward 35 Greater Tzaneen Municipality. I wish Dr. Ndlozi but I wish him back into EFF.
My KING im also angry to the EFF especially JULIUS some us loved this organisation but now things have changed
What did the DOCTOR did UMBUZO umile.
Am in Zambia
From diaspora original Quito kuanavale Angola 🇦🇴 the struggle of Liberation of Africa which Quito kuanavale played its part by shedding its blood still Africa is not free maybe the Sahel region.
Dr Ndlozi will never join the MK, members of MK want to build their party using EFF because in the MK there is no leadership there.
And remember Godrich Gardeee signed from parliament for 5 years in the EFF and he remains a member of EFF.
So Ndlozi will remain a member of EFF and will go back to parliament next year
Thie is jomo from Eden park in the house though im from kimberley
Dr Ndlozi should open a political party, he is a great leader by birth. I’m really sad that Ndlozi is not in parliament anymore 😭
How will that help with the empowerment agenda of the masses in this country???please people...
To open a political party is not that simple the way you think, it needs Millions, and that’s where white people captures you because of money
People I understand how you feel about Dr.Ndlozis wife's but remember what was said in Media by her the response came back through media so is still a member of eff we all love All members of eff 😂😂 it's interesting to discuss eff whoo nice.
I'm too saddened by his resignation & i think the CIC should have done better in dealing with the issue of the good Dr & to attack him using his partner was very low of him but i guess he's making way for Godrich Gardee as an MP.
Malema need guidance
Did Goldrich defended the EFF? What he said if he did
King you must calm down,you can't treat someone who have betrayed with kid gloves, politics doesn't work like that and it's not football as you say
We are in pain with luck of service delivery we don't care about politicians he must apply for new job
He is the one who is nothing to anything King mnxm
CIC burning his house but he must be careful no loose everything including his pillars
My king PLEASE bring veronica mete to the spot that women sounded like imbokodo
Hi king ,im heartbroken about Ndlozi resignation from parliament .but this thing is more than Ndlozi not telling Julius about Floyd leaving .banna lets try to see things differently what happened but Ndlozi must tell the truth ,here i thinkNdlozi was becoming unreliable and outside forces were using him (just my thinking ) please lets try to look at both sides . Please dont attack Julius but im saying kunuka santungwana la .