Tuning your car stereo - Head Unit Equalizer - No DSP! PROCESS EXPLAINED
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
- Many aftermarket head units now have an "EQ" or equalizer built in. What is the equalizer for and how do we tune and set it on our head unit car stereo? Should we use an RTA? Is this a replacement for a stand alone Digital Signal Processor (DSP)? Let's go through the process!
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As someone working on my first car audio installation you have been amazing. Thank you for the videos!
Glad to help! And thanks for taking time to comment.
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I've always wondered and wanted to get a DSP, but never knew enough about them. A good long in depth video would help out a lot Mark. Thank you for all the smaller details that are usually harder to figure out. My top 3 awesome people I follow for car audio are; car audio fab, SMD, and good ole EXO. YOU GUYS ROCK!!
My MiniDSP is an amazing piece of gear ... just know that the learning curve is 2 steps up from your straight head unit EQing.
Yes me too
Definitely want to see some in depth dsp tuning
Would be so awesome if he does. For now, I'm just using this same process on each individual speaker. I'd imagine that's what it would be. However would love to see the process using a parametric eq instead of graphic eq. Also tuning a limiter attack and delay!
I actually used this eq setting and it worked for my system now my system sound great at high volumes before I had lots distortion
Just a heads up, the head unit is using DSP (Digital Signal Processing) internally to adjust the frequency gains for the eq. It is the same thing as the RTA, except one process is automatic and one is manual. If you wanted to adjust the eq without DSP you would see a bunch of analog dials or faders like we saw in the 90's. Your stand alone processor will give you more options of crossovers and eq's, but both are using DSP.
No 6000 dollar RCA's? No mysteries? No way man..
Would love to see a run down on DSP's and how to tune with one of those.
I haven't looked at Audio Control but I'm sure they have some level of training, but JL Audio's RUclips channel has a collection of training videos. Their in depth videos on using their tuning software is amongst the best that I've seen. And I'm a professional audio visual systems designer and installation contractor for large systems such as 1,000 seat auditoriums (Houses of Worship, event venues, etc).
Whoops... I am in no way saying that Mark shouldn't do his own DSP video. When learning anything listening/watching/reading from multiple sources is always a good idea. And Mark is an excellent teacher!
+1
I'm pretty sure Mark has already done a video on tuning dsp's, or at least the tuning of the D-6.1200 which uses the same software as the dsp's in AC 's line.
He said and linked that very video in this video that you watched...
Can you do a video for those of us that don't have these resources? An example would be we have a new headuit (maybe not a 1200 dollar one but like 300 or 400) and we have our ears. Lol. A video like that would be cool for us "poors"😂
But you can’t do it with ears. It needs the mic. 🤔
you can google a brand called eonon they make good stuff for the price and it looks stock on some models
$3-$400 head unit is expensive mine was $160
@@ClarkyXPH that's nonsense. Are you not tuning for the best listening experience? Do you listen to music with your ears or a mic?
Sure you can't get perfect equal output by ear but you can get it far far better than if you just do nothing cuz you can't afford fancy gadgets to be used 1 time.
@@petertowers9579you don't have the timing adjustment settings do you? I had a 99$ android radio and a 199$ android radio. Both are great since it's basically an android tablet for your car but neither have a very detailed EQ and certainly no crazy timing adhustments of crossovers, heck i dont even have custom presets for my EQ if i change anything theres no going back to how i had it. Infact the 99$ radio seems to have the better EQ, I think the only thing they skipped out of was computing power/RAM, idk much about computers n such but this 99$ radio runs noticeably slower than the 199$ one lol 😅
This has been helpful in adjusting my eq to improve and remove harshness from my car speakers and to make my system sound great. .
i was just messing with mine yesterday. i love this channel thank you for all that you do
It would be cool if you made an in depth tuning video going over stuff like tuning separate EQs for each channel and crossovers.
I would love to see an in-depth tuning video using the DSP.
Topics:
- What speakers to start with.
- What frequency to cross over the speakers at
- what volume level to play the pink noise at for tuning
Thanks
Marc Coletta from Canada
Me also
Really appreciate these videos. I was never able to correctly tune my car stereo before watching your videos. Thank you.
I was literally attempting this 30 mins ago!! Yeeeeess
Glad to help.
Can't wait to see how to ture and calibrate an audio system with a DSP
Yes, I have been waiting for that for so long.
Audio Control. That’s the EQ back in the day. Still have the best offerings. You got issues and they have.solutions. It’s just not a problem is all! Great video, I needed to see that! We had Eclipse, Sony and Soundstream for heads, used Audio Control EQ and crossovers. And there were Soundstream Class A on the tweets, Soundstream Class ABs on mids and Soundstream running grunt. That is sweetness to your ears. Stay safe mates!😊👍🏻😷
Hi Mark Im using the DM810 Thanks to you and Please do the Video how take the best EQ manualy. Thanks a lot a big Mexican Fan living in Peru
Yes please do an in-depth video on the DM-810 (basically a setup and tuning video for dummies) I recently purchased one in preparation for my upcoming install, all of your videos are great keep it up, and thank you for all you do
I just installed a new head unit and 4 channel amp with four 6.5 jbl gto in the doors of my foxbody, your really making me want to dig out my old clarion PEQ460 out of my ole audio stash. Still have a planet audio neo8 in there too.
So I watched this video quite a while back just for the fun of it. But I just “finished” my cars audio set up. Quotations because I’m sure I’ll add to it in the future. But I digress..
I’ve been having a hard time setting my EQ recently. I have a Dayton audio RTA mic I’ve used for a LOOOONG time, so I’m able to set everything level, and I would adjust from there. But I just couldn’t find a target curve I was happy with. Everything just kept like it was missing something. Not enough bass, too ear piercing. I took a screenshot of YOUR target curve and decided just for a fart and a laugh I would copy it (as much as I could anyways. And man. That is a very crisp target curve. I had to make a pretty big drop around 8khz (which I think was my problem. I was just getting way too much high end. But I was nervous to drop it that much and loose that frequency. Not really realizing how much high end frequency it was producing. But I popped up 16khz for a little extra clarity.
Every ear is unique. What sounds good to YOUR EAR is what counts. Also every recording is unique. At its best, this is a good "base". Ps. Great videos.
Not meant to be anything super involved as a dedicated DSP is the only way to fully optimize. Target curve is how you adjust for what is preferred.
@@CarAudioFabrication Thanks.
This is the first video of yours that I've seen. Definitely coming back for more.
I wasn't trained to properly listen
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keep up the quality content! i’ve learned so much and you’ve inspired me to want to learn to build my own custom boxes!
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@@CarAudioFabrication probably a good way to show off where you were trained
I love all the technical and practical advice you’re giving and it inspired me to upgrade my car audio system. One thing I’d love to see is wireless/ Bluetooth connections to amps or HU’s!
Because to be honest... we install upgraded speakers, sound dampening and amplifiers but in the end we stream “low quality” mp3s via Spotify or Apple Music.
How to upgrade the Bluetooth signal (muse02 op-amp) be one question or wiring the phone to an amp would be cool to get an insight on.
Just to get an even balance between streaming quality and the build quality of the speakers and system amp’s~ (I’m not a audiophile but still wanna get out the best results 😜)
For future awesomeness!
Thats why in some cases I still prefer CDs and also I use my AUX in connection with a good quality cable mire than I stream via Bluetooth. I find the sound much better when A) the source is direct and B) the connection is direct and a physical connection.
I do have alot of music in digital format, however I always convert them with top quality in mind and don't worry about how much space it takes up. I always convert from a direct source as well (CD usually) I'd rather have 350 *EXCELLENT* sounding tracks than 1000 mediocre sounding ones in the same amount of space. USB drives are cheap these days. I have a few kicking around in the car each with various types/genres of music on them and some mixes. I had gone the hard drive route in the past but found it too cumbersome and hard to find things when I wanted them especially when you're supposed to be, ya know paying attention so you don't hit anything while driving lol.
Building a library of music without downloading them (used to do that, LimeWire/FrostWire anyone?!? ;) took years but was essentially free. I borrowed every single one of my friends CD collections, their brother/sister... friends parents etc. Basically anyone who had a decent collection I would ask to borrow for a weekend and just rip them all to my computer. I must have over a couple Tb by now. (2000 Gb)
Hi, try Using a USB with FLAC
I use a 128GB USB flash drive loaded with more music than I can ever listen to. If your HU supports it, you could also use an SD card. I find 320 KBPS MP3s perfectly adequate in terms of audio quality. Playing lossless files like FLAC is "ideal", but I don't believe there is much if any benefit in a car since generally speaking it is not a perfect listening environment, and lossless codec is inefficient at storing audio and results in wasted storage.
Yes, I would love to see you make a dsp tuning video. Specifically using the rockford DSR1
Absolutely want an in depth DSP tutorial.
I have a DM-810 waiting for me to build a box and put all the other goodies in my truck.
Has nobody created 'auto-tuning' software, where you select your desired curve and it does it for you? Seems it should be possible.
You know how long I’ve been waiting for this video from you Mark! Nice !!!!
I would love to see a dsp tuning tutorial
Just wanted to say thank you for all your videos. They are very helpful and I also enjoy Audiocontrol.
Yes, I am looking forward on DSP DM-810 tuning ~ your video is always easy to understand !
Interested to see your process on DSP tuning. Maybe a general rule type video versus using only audio control dsp’s.
Good shit Mark, as always. I don't want to come off as that guy, but seriously, investing into a dsp, really is the way to go. I know people work hard for their money, and I get it, but man, what it can help you unlock, is super super helpful/beneficial. Nice work mate.
Standalone (or built into amp) DSP is definitely the way to go. As much as I made this video to help explain how to adjust just your head units EQ, I also made it to show people that the features built into the head unit are often limited in comparison to independent DSP. Anytime I use independent DSP on a build someone tells me I'm "wrong" becuase I could have just used the "DSP in the Head Unit" but yeah, they're not the same.
This came right on time! Been playing with mine again for the past week! Cant wait to watch😀
call me weird but i love loud crisp ear splitting highs. so in my eyes the "smiley face" would be best
What? Loud and clear music! .... How dare you?
Just recently Did my first tune with an RTA using a dm-810 I’d love to see how YOU would do it and how YOUR RTA curve looks
I would REALLY like a dedicated DSP tuning video. I have a D5.1300 and have been having a hell of a time.
Wow, thank you so much for sharing! This is exactly what I've been looking for!
Yes! Please do an in-depth DSP tuning video!
So if i cut to eleminate distortion , isnt i gonna increase the volume because of that and end up at the same level with the same distortion ? Like whats the point ? Or is it actually less fetieaging for speakers to cut rather than boost even if i increased the volume to compensate ?
He hasn't even started his door pods!! 😂 What a casual. Gimme a noise fido!! 😁
Excellent Tutorial. Thank you for the hard work and technical simplicity!
been wanting to purchase one of the mics for a while and finally did so through your link...hope it helps your channel out and i would definitely like to see some in depth dsp tuning with the device as well as im going to be running a dsr1
My head unit has the ability to tune each individual channel, not just as front and back in the EQ. It also has a rediculous 48band EQ with time adjustment and surround.
Fantastic information well presented. This is what a good YT video looks like.
Mark,
You add great value to your industry.
I think the Stinger Heigh10 and DM-810 would make a helluva system in my 2021 JL.
Any chance you could do a video on total install with 2 AMPS, the Heigh10 and DM-810?
Tuning included. I am really wondering about the toss link or optic from the head unit to the DSP.
Please do an in-depth video of you tuning an AudioControl DSP. Preferably the D-5.1300 when you get one! 😎
Mark, your videos are the best!
@2:52 glad you pointed this out for us...almost forgot where the left is😅
Could you please do a video where you give your opinion on using "Bass boost" sound effect, "Loudness" sound effect and/or Sony's Xplode sound effect, aside from the equalizer
Yes, in depth DSP tuning would be 😎!
I want to add a DSP unit in my shit box Kia Rio. I had DSP built into my last car and the sound was amazing with a 10 speaker Bose system.
Looking forward to see the video of detailed DSP tuning tutorial
You have a vast knowledge of audio in general and that is why I subscribed. So much more can be done though to achieve perfect sound quality. Hit me up if interested.
This is great if I ever upgrade my stereo.
Until then, No Head?
I've ran mid speakers and tweeters from the front and rear channels before so I could time align them separately on a head unit.
Do u recommend the clarion equalizer? Or just get a DSP! What about the audiocontrol dqdx?
Hi Mark!
How accurate is this process when using the Phone' Microphone and a RTA app?
And what about speaker level setting?
I was wondering about this w/ using a Blue Yeti, as it's a mic I have lying around.
In depth process on DSP would be awesome!
YES been waiting for you to release this
I have an old Marantz calibration mic somewhere from an old Marantz hifi separate equalizer. Time to dig that up as I have tried to calibrate with ipad's mic
He uses AudioControl brand equipment a lot. Are they really that great or are they just budget friendly?
I use them because I used them for years long before I started the channel. With the amount of time I put into custom builds I wouldn't waste my time with gear that isn't top notch. AudioControl is solid reputable gear. There's a reason they've been around 40+ years! 👍🙌
Please show a DSP instructional. 👍👍👍
I would also like to see and understand the difference a sap can make and learn how to tune my system it if I get one. Thanks in advance. Your channel rocks 👍
Thank you
Dam autocorrect “DSP” not sap!
Id love a dsp tuning tutorial
Do these adjustments affect the tuning for distortion? I’ve had my system tuned for distortion with a SMD for distortion and I’m always playing around with the frequencies for my EQ but I’ve always wondered if raising the base on my eq will change the distortion level to a different number that was set by the SMD
Ive been told yes and on my headunit (boss audio dont know about other brands) and when i turn the bass to the max or close to max it distorts and when i turn the bass around -2 out of +7 (which is max bass) it does not distort by ear i cant tell that it does by ear so im assuming YES!
Yes it does. Tune your system to your liking then tune for distortion
there are 2 kinds of Pink Noise files on the internet, i.e. MONO (correlated) and STEREO (uncorellated), which one is better for tuning the EQ? I notice that you use the "mono pink noise". Thanks!
I would love to see how you would tune a full 4 channel and subwoofer system with the DM810!
Thanks, I had a RTA in the 90’s. Lol will look into ordering the Audio Control Mic
+1 for in depth DSP tuning. I bought the JL Audi VX series (same to the Supra collab you did) and looking to maximise it’s potential for tuning.
Would like to hear your views on an active underseat subwoofer.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do a full tune with a DSP. I just installed a DM810 in my Grand Cherokee and could use all the help in tuning correctly...... Cheers!!!
Why cant they just keep it simple and have a complex mode 😂 like i just wanna see treble and bass
Would love to see an in depth video on the DSP
The Audio Control mic looks great, but there's no Android compatibility. I'm definitely not buying an Apple device as well as the mic just so I can properly EQ my system, as having to buy a device as well as the mic isn't very budget friendly. Are there any Android compatible mics you could reccomend?
USB version www.audiocontrol.com/product/utestmic/
Ive been having trouble with this exact situation thank you so much!
No Android support for the Audiocontrol mic and app? Missed out on my money.
However will they recover lol
I'm not an apple fan at all, but at least their connector has been very consistent over several models. Not the case with constant USB changes on Android, I think the last four Android Phones I have bought have each had a different connection. They have a similar USB version that you can use with a PC based app here: www.audiocontrol.com/studio-six-digital/
@@CarAudioFabrication all of the USB types can be adapted between one another. I refuse to support a company like Apple and despise their OS as well. Besides, there have only been 2 different USB types in the last 5 or so years. Micro and type C
Love all your installations. Thank you 👍
Gr8 tutorial Mark
Thank you! Good to see you, thanks for dropping a line!
@@CarAudioFabrication i always enjoy watching your content... It's been a gr8 help to me
I recently upgraded the headunit and finding it lacking in comparison to the stock stereo, it sounds technically clearer but the bass isnt punchy like it was and highs are tinny.....I wonder if because I have stock tweeters the stock unit accounted for this but aftermarket hasnt
When setting the gain on my amplifier for my sub, should I be leaving my Eq flat or adjusting the Eq before setting my gain?
What is the difference between DSP Audio Control and their EQ? Decades ago I had a high end system no DSP but Audio Control Dual 31 band 1/3 Octave EQ. It sounded incredible. When I had my custom build from factory Mercedes SUV you can order their Bang & Olufsen package. It sounds pretty good but not like after market. They won't let you do anything to the system as it would void the warranty for the whole vehicle. When the vehicle is very, very expensive then voiding the warranty is not an option. So I might buy a used car just for the purpose of a sound system to play around with. You can get nice used cars sometimes under 20k.
Yes please to DSP! Please and thank you
Your a awesome Instructor.
Well adjusting these settings affect me gaining any distortion at the amp if i only decrease the frequency s an keep some flat .because i set my gain haveing them all set to flat
My son & I were trying to get youtube videos to play via bluetooth.
We had trouble with that, no sound.
Also, my factory usb would not play or show my files.
It's an "Aotsr 2 din car radio" for a 2013 Hyundai Elantra.
Tuning is everything!!!👌❤️
Hi!!
How do I know the frequency range of the equalizer and the Q value, for the Mercedes Benz W177? I am talking about the audio settings of the W177, controlled through the MBUX software at the music settings.
Example: I adjusted the equalizer for Bass: +2. I need now to adjust these settings on my Digital Audio Workstation software, that's CUBASE. How do I know what are the settings to do so?
Bass: +2. Does plus two means plus two decibels? If not, how many decibels are plus two? What is the Q of this Bass EQ, from which frequency to which frequency is the Bass zone?
Mid: +1. Does plus one means plus one decibels? If not, how many decibels is plus one? What is the Q of this Mid EQ, from which frequency to which frequency is the Mid zone?
Treble: +2. Does plus two means plus two decibels? If not, how many decibels are plus two? What is the Q of this Treble EQ, from which frequency to which frequency is the Treble zone?
Which graph plot are you using?
Great video, thanks for all the hard work
Yes on the DSP tuning.
Wouldn't it be easier to use a white noise track and aim for a flat EQ? I'm new to this and I don't understand the preference for pink noise...
Give us a detailed tuning video for the DM-810 please!
How do you manage the cars battery while tuning? Can you connect it to a battery charger while you do it
Were you able to keep your climate control and steering wheel controls with the stinger head unit? I just installed a alpine head unit and sound system and lost my climate control and steering wheel audio controls…in my JL
I use room acoustic meter app on android. It helped me to get as flat response from my setup as possible
any idea if there is a similar app for Windows? I only have a USB mic (dayton audio UMM6) and I have REW wizard but I'm a low IQ. this program is so freaking complex. I will learn it over time and master it but that's like 1 month of research.
I just wanna do some quick tuning lol.
Whats the difference between a built in equalizer and the old school seprate ones
Can I hook up a kicker 4 channel amplifier to my Sony 9500 es headunit without taking away the hi res audio from the head unit?