MC Eiht & Tariq Nasheed On Why The Hughes Brothers Didnt Want Tupac In The Menace II Society Movie
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- MC Eiht & Tariq Nasheed On Why The Hughes Brothers Didnt Want Tupac In The Menace II Society Movie
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Mc Eiht is a straight up legend fr fr ...
Yessir
Straight up menace... chea.
Jeaaaaaaah 😎
Tariq always turns into the interviewer on his interviews.😄
It was like a balance between the two
🗣️😏, it was a good balance between the two.
I mean that is a legendary MC on that couch.
Pac’s first movie cameo was Nothing But Trouble when he made a cameo in the movie with Digital Underground
Facts 🎯
Yup. RIP Shock G and John Candy
@@brynellsidney3983 I met them as well. I remember seeing John Candy in Louisiana back in 89. I met Shock G in 2001. I met Pac in 93 and 94. First time I met pac was in 93 in Atlanta and Busta rhymes was with him along with Patra. It was nice talking to them. I recited Bustas verse from the song daily reminder off leaders of the new school album. He was getting hyped too. I met pac again in Orlando, Florida at club heroes. Seeing him perform was cool and me and my homegirls and brother met him backstage and took photos. I had the photos in my storage unit but it got damaged because of the hurricane.
Good call.
Sharif had a brief back story. Charles Dutton spoke of some of the crazy stuff he did before he became a Muslim.
Exactly, his pops was dropping wisdom on them young boys
Yea Dutton caught a body in real life went behind the wall twice got out the joint and changed his life ✊🏽👑✊🏾🙏🏽💯🕊️ all love
I'm 24 and i said this same junk about my generation mane lol. The OGs used to have some type of lyrical consistency to their rhymes, even when they was str8 up being wicked on a song. My peoples just be saying any and everything without no type of lyricism in it. I miss 2012-15ish when my generation still had a little bit of that old tradition lyricism in their songs.
Y'all need to give Vonté Sweet his flowers and interview that brother. He gets mentioned too much out here on these internet streets
Eiht always does; they went to school together
MC Eiht livin legend. "Paper Chasin" is a hidden gem record.
Who have to mention Tupac to be relevant😂😂
@boepaynepill318 he's always relevant to those that matter. From the Front Porch just posted a live performance from Eiht. Now run along skinny jeans boi.
@@carltonbanks5470 he got to mention Pac to be relevant 😅 now run alone with Gay Gangster
@@carltonbanks5470 he's not unless he mentions Tupac
When Tariq talks about Rappers doing or selling drugs, and the Consequence of it in a song, he's speaking about the 5th element of Hip-Hop, which is KNOWLEDGE. Most mainstream rappers dont "Kick KNOWLEDGE". Listen to Ice-T "New Jack Hustler" for the greatest example of that in a drug song !!!!!!!! Those bars are FIRE!!!!!!! Also, Straight Up Menace, by MC Eiht.
Another GREAT example of lifestyle consequence is Know The Ledge, from the Juice Soundtrack -Rakim. Know The Ledge is actually a breakdown of the word KNOWLEDGE = KNOW THE LEDGE, just thought of that!! Damn! after all these years!!
@@user-ly3rw1yv2w🐢
Tariq nd MC Eiht on an interview! Fiyah!
So loved this conversation. But we gotta stop blaming record companies. We have to raise children who are not incentivized by foolishness, which means we have to eradicate poverty (single parent households/over populating our communities/having kids we can’t take care of).
If it could have been done, it would have been done! People have been saying that samething you just said for 30 years now. It is the record labels because they have the power to stop the production of the music... and they incentivise the negative music.
@@adonisvictorious3649 No, WE have to stop the production of the music 😉😘
Tariq with another legend shout out to the Compton Cyco! Can’t wait for the full interview! B1
Thanks fam great show
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they should have gave 2pac a back story.....i'd love to see how he would have done that role.
It was New Jack City with Weasley and Ice T that trail blaze the hood movies
You brothers deliver a REAL no filler Be-About-It to live through it, to Talk-About-It DISCUSSION! My brothers, keep this flow and dialogue on and Poppin.
illMatic all day, hey hey hey!
Congrats!
Tariq got to be the busiest man in the world. The brother don't sleep.
FBI agents work hard.
@@dreynolds4883 maybe you should ask for a raise. 👀
@@Kflash3782 All these years & our people still cant tell a Agent when its clear as day. Defining hip hop & Black immigrants, our biggest issues. Yea. Right.
His handlers just send him out here to play dress up & promote all these narratives (that he is no expert in) as a sales pitch for monetary gain.. He's dropping a pseudo historical hiphop documentary.. Thus he's now been coaxed to be around rappers.. He has a team of Europeans/PRs etc. that send him out.. This is nothing spontaneous or grassroots he's doing..
🔥 #LIT
King Flex 🔥✊🏾
People have differences🤷💯
The crazy thing is that Pac really was the Shareef character in real life the industry turned him into A wax type character
No the industry didn't. Pac was always a live wire and joining death row set it on fire.
Don’t blame the industry…people make choices.
Pac was already crazy before the fame, relax
Pac was never really the Shareef character because Pac wasn't a ex gangbanger, he didn't try to de escalate conflicts, snd he was not drug free
@@carltonbanks5470I agree 👍
None of the other kats had a back story either. Kane gave a partial back story of Sherif in the beginning when Kane was naming all his homies and a brief characteristic about them. Anyway, O Dog didn’t have no back story, but PAC didn’t care. PAC wanted to be the actor that would get the most attention and that’s why he wanted O Dogs role.
Tariq please bring back Mack lessons. It saved my life
Ooooh! The good brother Tariq...cant wait for the whole episode
Compton got hella talent 💪🏾🔥🔥
Eiht flamed up
Is he 😂🤷🏾😁???
Glad Pac stand down on that part couldn't see him playing that character
Probably should have given him a back story. He did secure the budget for them
Gr8 Interview
Surviving the Game with Ice - T
Honestly they gave all those guys just a brief backstory in the beginning...the movie was no "saga" just a hood flick
Tyrin turners take on this is one of the funniest videos on yt 🤣
So real 8
Wassup MC Eiht!!
Duece of Acey-Duecy one of the Twins from KC!
Blame the pill popping music on Eminem. 💊💊💊💊
Eeehh kinda. The narrative is getting watered down on 1 hand niggaz like " who listen to Eminem" n on the other it's " he's the reason niggaz do pills"...I dunno man he was more on that type time ages ago that more then half my life ago bruh
Who you gonna blame for all the murders and robberies committed then since you just wanna blame single individuals 🤡
Overlooked post...
@@onlygoodgamesofficialYour culture of ignorance on the globe , 2017 Las Vegas shooting with over 400 victims , mass genocide of native Australians, WW1, WW2, civil war , Vietnam war , slavery globally, epstien , stealing inventions , school shootings , church shootings , video game tournament shootings, mosque shootings
@konczs not really, people been saying this 4 yrs. If anything it holds up less now because there were others as well.
Tyrin, Larenz, MC Eiht & the Hughes Bros have all spoken on how disruptive Pac was during table reads for Menace. Why wouldn't he get booted from the project? Are Pac marks so daft & blinded as to think the man could do no wrong? The Hughes Bros were absolutely in the right to boot him from the film wtf
Man, his fans are about to tear you up about this
There is more of a back story to Sharif than any of those other characters except Cane. Sharif is a Ex Banger turned Muslim his Father is a Teacher trying to convince them away from street life. Having a Father in these movies is miracle no less educated and mentoring.
I can already see some AI Nerd remaking Menace to Society and deepfaking all the actors and using Tupac as Cain.
You jealous?
OG’s
They did say sharif was a knuckle head and his dad was happy he found something better to believe in
BIG UP ! ! !
Ya get me ?
He never explained how he got to be in menace
What's to explain?
What's good is bad & what's bad is good to this new generation.
Its a bunch of transformers in the rap game nowadays and i aint gon say no names......iykyk
That’s why I make music because of what I learned from my OGs
On my Late Night Hype
The issue is there isn’t balance unless you truly seek it out
This should be interesting
I AIN'T AFRAID OF JAIL...
LOCK ME UP ....
THROW AWAY..THE KEY 😬😅
"White Lines" is an early classic anti-drug anthem back in the early 80s. "Self Destruction" was another anti-violence, coming together in unity anthem.
Yeah yeah you right about rap today like you said it when will you put on dresses and s*** and all that you know back in the day you know we ain't getting out like that you know what I'm saying we was totally different from everybody else
i like how the swear words are not heard. i wish more channels would do this. its much more pleasant to listen to......hearing all this cussing is very unpleasant , to me at least, who knows maybe others feel the same too.
If you watch the beginning of the movie. Cane's back story was in the beginning of the movie.
They touched on it briefly. Charles s Dutton character said Sharif used to get in all kinds of shit, till he found the Nation
They didn’t let anyone in the thug game back in the day
Where was A Wax at when Chauncey got pistol whipped at the going away party Up Ronnie’s. And where was A wax when they was moving ? I got questions on why the Hughes brothers didn’t put you in either of those scenes, because you came to the party but then when Chauncey got pistol whipped, A wax was no where in site. And then the moving scene Wax ain’t even show up or there ?
I need answers! lol
Write your own story
I wholeheartedly get PACs reasoning! SHOW WHY HE TURNED THAT, don’t just wake up and say he that. Show why he turned into that I feel Pac
Shareef was not the main character or co-star. There is no need to spend that much time/money on his character.
@@BTman58 exactly, Tupac just wanted a gangster character like Odogg. It was no reason to show shareefs background of being a thug like that
2pac was a demanding, difficult guy to work with
He would've crushed that role...missed out on a nice opportunity
Yeah that’s what they all say you’re hard to work with when they can’t play with your #BUSSY
No he wasn't he did his job he put the Hughes on before menace to society
@@Lowkey_LeeI DON'T THINK HIS BUSSY WZ @ RISK, I THINK HIS EGO WZ DA CULPRIT IN ALL HIS CONFLICTS, INCLUDING DA DAY HE WZ MURDERED!!!
NO BUDGET FOR SHAREEF BACK STORY. PLUS IT WAS A TO SMALL OF A ROLE FOR TUPAC COMING OFF JUICE
They never explained why none of the characters were the way they were except for the protagonist cain. That’s the way the story was supposed to go.
Shariff was an ex street cat that found Islam... this was stated in the movie Brothers.
I feel like eight always tries to put PAC down in his own little way
In other words, you don't like him telling the truth.
Yup because he's more relevant
He does. And it’s annoying as hell. Eiht cause the “G” ain’t in him.
Vonte from ELMSTREET
Well at the part in the movie where they were explaining who everyone was they said Sharif " was an ex-knuckle head turn Muslim" or something to that affect. Wonder did they do that part as a way to mess with Pac?
Didn't want Pac in the movie but did Dear Mama to eat off his legacy. Had Set had control that shit would not have happened.Pac has been gone for almost 30 years and still got these weirdos in their feelings.Get well soon Shrek and Eiht.
I love MC Eiht but goddamn he talk hella slow! Lol I be low key wanting to push a button to speed up the story somehow. 😂
That's the LA way of speech if you ever trip they ALL talk slow listen to Nipsey talk or other gang members.. they tend to be a little more careful with their words so that could be a reason && also probably just the laid back atmosphere of being in & from LA.. I'm from The Bay & I've noticed this about our LA cousins
Wow….
Imma say it... Tupac not only KNEW Black Muslims in real life and family but he didn't just want a cartoon black Muslim character or even a black cartoon character and that was where the Hughes Brothers failed cause I saw Menace when it first came out and even got the Blu Ray disc years later so I could reflect on the theater experience and years later as a story the movie does have those problems which if fixed, could have elevated the entire cast much better than here is a bunch of "criminal black men and a black Muslim who hangs with them" and to go a bit further when the Wayans Brothers made "Don't Be a Menace..." not only do most of the parody characters turn into dumb cartoon characters to laugh at on a superficial level but that former Pac character of the black Muslim in Menace is portrayed as a hypocrite and fake black cause he wants the white girl but in a really cartoonish was which isn't that different from the movie character because there was no back story explaining him.
In other words the Hughes Brothers were making it seem like these characters were "born to be that way" and that is FALSE... cause there is back story of the pre-Civil Rights 1960s, post civil Rights 1960s and those riots which many have alleged were being orchestrated by a certain element of the police departments and politicians who never wanted to treat the black Americans like human beings... therefore there is a lack of humanity in Menace II Society and years later it kinda bothered me that the Hughes Brothers wanted to portray the main character as this "Disney next door safe looking guy who is really a mindless killer" in the way they cast him for his looks alone... and even if they didn't realize and it appeared to work... use your brain cause it is portraying the same image that a certain element of police departments and even Donald Trump has on black minorities who are underage especially when he paid all that money to have a newspaper splash page calling for the death penalty on five minority MINORS who were alleged by the police department to fit the description of the grape crime...
Remember that word, "alleged" it means it has not been decreed by a judge cause the legal case had barely begun so those five minors had their private information and home phone numbers revealed... something that if it was five blonde kids that looked like Trump who were from the suburbs and were alleged in the same situation then you would NEVER have seen the police department and Trump himself behave the same way cause they would believe those were human beings but the other ones were not... that is the problem with characterization and even if Tupac didn't explain it that way, having a back story (literally a flash back scene in one minute... sixty seconds if well written and shot) would have saved that character and saved the others by pointing out the disenfranchisement that was going on.
Knowledge
My 1st introduction to what I would consider rap that might be a little sexually based was AMG " Biatch Betta have my Money" the entire album was hitting start to finish. The idea that these artists are saying things so sexually exploitive is very sad as well as the pushing of lean / sipping syrup in rap music. Now we got rappers pushing perc,codeine, and opiates for personal consumption as if drug addiction and usage is the life. In my era if you even talked about that kind of stuff, you were called a dope fiend. I was fortunate that I never had the desire to try drugs or engage not even Marijuana. I always just sat back and watched. When shat hit the fan, I was always the 1st out door. I always wanted to be in control of my surroundings as if a nothing went left, I knew were to run and hide. Drugs was never my thing and I'm thankful it wasn't.
Menace 2 society is definitely a classic..Vonte embodied "Shariff"; Pac on set acting all emotional like a ballerina..
you say the same shit over and over come up with something new lil boy
@Chrisironman31 That's why Orlando put him 2 sleep 4 Sticking his nose in Crip bizness!!
@Chrisironman31 Pac was all up in 🌈 clubs in Frisco..(fake revolutionary)
How about Dat one??
@@donald7723 he did do ballet in highschool 🩰
Ole boy needs to fall back and let Eiht do this.
That movie didn't need Pac in it. He was not a better actor than Larenz Tate for that part or the Muslim cat and MC definitely killed his part. And yea they say anything on these records, I agree, it's crazy. Great convo, they need to here this.
MC Eiht, the very first rapper to enter the 36 chambers.
The trigger gots no heart
That's spice one song. You mean " straight up menace"
Maybe they wrote 2pac in as the conscious of the blk man… spokenout loud. 🤔
I’m with pac cause I always wanted to know what made sharif like that
You dont have to show everything in a movie. use your imagination. maybe he grew up in an environment which he saw that was senseless. knowing about him could be left open for another movie if they wanted to make a part 2. besides movies have a certain amount of running time and if shareef isnt the main character then his back story isnt really relevant
@@kenwkls6392 I mean it’s equivalent to Kane cousin dying but like I said I felt it would’ve helped the story line for that character because he was odd to be with that group .
I swear I listened to maybe 40 rappers in the 90s who bragged about doin real drugs😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂they swear it jus started. Man my whole 90s rap catalog rapped about doin hard drugs from, mobb deep, 36, C murda, Hotboyz, Soulja slim, Rae n Ghost, Dmx, Keith Murray, Pimp c, Brotha lynch, etc it was plenty
I was in 6th grade when your mama's on Sea Rock came out. That song made me never want to use it. I also remember when those pills were something only white housewives used to do.
"not my mama!" lol
They always mention Shariff in Menace to society and how he had no business being around them BUT NO ONE EVER MENTIONS STACEY…..WASNT HE A FOOTBALL PLAYER ?? HE HAD NO BUSINESS WITH THEM DUDES EITHER
They grew up 2gether......childhood friends
@@GoodLook911 exactly!! So why does sharif get flack ? I’m sure he wouldn’t be around if he ain’t grow up wit them or know them …. They all have yet to respond to that , mc eight and you !
@PowerIsWithin im confused my friend....what are you getting at
The G ain't even in E I H T 😂
MC Eiht Lowkey be throwing shots at PAC !!!
Thank you that is exactly what he always does with his passive aggressive hating ass... The truth of the matter is I don't recall Mr Shakur ever talking about or kicking it with him ever ... for him to speak upon him the way that he does
No he doesn’t, he’s just telling what happened because he was there to see it. The only ones with this BS narrative are y’all that get triggered every time you see that man’s name in a title. It’s ridiculous
The fact that he didn't even show empathy towards pacs point shows either obvious disdain/indifference, or pure lack of intellect
@@SMOOTHCUTPRODUCTION I’m from
South Central L.A mane, ain’t nothing you could tell me about Eiht,Snoop or anyone of these cats in the industry..
We know who the Real ones are out here 💯
The streets got a whole different vibe than what you see on the internet !!!
Now that PAC is gone & Suge locked up,
Folks got a whole lot to say but was quiet as a church mouse in 96
@@rbgboxing4442 Thank you fam …
Yeah all they ever said about shafeef was “shafeef an ex-knuckle head gone Muslim”
What else did you really need to know about such a small part of the film? Did we also need to know about how Stacey didn't get involved with gangbanging but instead played sports?
Tyrin Turner was dope as Kane but that role should have been given to pac or at least old dog
NO
TYRIN DID A GREAT JOB
CLASSIC MOVIE
Tupac would've crushed that role i always thought...missed opportunity on my mans part
That would of made the movie alot better if pac character had a back story. I grew up in the projects in the 80s and didn't join gangs because of what I experienced.
No, it wouldn't have. Tupac's character was too small for a back story that wouldn't have made much difference to the greatness of the movie.
But his back story was clearly explained. We all know Shariff was active but had a religious awakening. We didn't get to know why exactly O-dog was a psychopath either but the character was still believable
Every time I click on TGC I always seem to forget Norm is going to be here. I wish sometimes he would just stay quiet. His voice really ruins the content.
1:47 these fiends tryna change the narrative “don’t call me a fiend” I just use drugz
Doing a "back story" for a one off character is beyond a waste. Hie is not the protagonist maybe even for the antagonist. Think on it. (🤔)
Cap on needing to rewrite the hold movie. Just 2-3 mins of dialog would done the job. Saying Sharif was wild dude like some of the other characters then he kill someone & went to jail which change his views. To explain why he he didn’t get life they couldn’t said it was ruled self defense & only had to do a few years . If you want to make it more detailed /make it more thought provoking then u say he had to kill a family member of his (cousin, uncle or brother) of his who was from rival neighborhood/group & by killing that he saved Odog & some other folks in the neighborhood lives. Really isn’t rocket science lol. Plus the Hughs bro on record saying PAC was one of if main reasons the movie got green lit in the 1st place so whatever character he was playing should’ve been half assed. Just from business/marketing perspective.
Or you could run wit it and say Shariff is just a continuous character from boys in the hood who was a gangbanger who took the kids ball but turned his life around when he got with Wax, Caine , O dog
Play you know rap was different than everybody had their own flow they had their own style of rapping and the internet and everything else you know today you listen to a song everybody sound in the same and this and that and you know what I'm saying you know it be you know I really don't know how to explain it but man every song anybody come out with they all sound the same and this and that you be like damn is this the same person as somebody else you know you be confused you know
Who’s the dude next to MC Eiht? I know Tariq but not the other dude.
An Unnecessary permanent fixture that is the sole reason that Gangster Chronicles is now degraded. Norman Steele
Ok
That pac interview on you tube explains it. There was no such thing as a gang banger turn muslim at that time and pac didn’t want to play a character that didn’t exist
Where did you get there was no such thing as gangbanger turn Muslim?🤦♂️🤣
How do you know it didn't exist?
@@BTman58 watch the interview pac did his words not mine
@adamkumi7122
Well, you seem to be backing up his statement.
Pac wouldn't know that for certain either, though.
Street guys been converting to Islam since the Nation came into being. Malcom was Detroit Red when he converted
Big U is Muslim
I'm 39 now, but when i was 22 my sister in law's brother tried to talk about our music at that time... i respectfully disagree with Tariq on this. Its ALWAYS been bad since the 90s... you named a few songs and artists but i'd say AFTER The Run DMC, LL COOL J, and Ice T era... basically 1991 and beyond, the shit was glorified
I agree
I don't know about telling the truth comes off as jealousy to me besides he was involved in a bunch of gang banging drama with quick that could have ended his life a lot of people that speak on pac is very hypocritical and his career was garbage snoop does that same thing and he was way more involved than he admits to RIP king PAC the goat
Kam or Paris would have been perfect as Sharif
Facts
I compare rap nowadays to old WWE when the wrestlers had to remain in character in public and that’s what rappers doing now it’s no breaks
At least Lil Kim got to be Kimberly outside the booth and Pac said he wasn’t no gangsta but he’d got cancelled for that nowadays and Sexyy Red was literally in character after having a baby!! No wonder rappers so damn stupid they always in kayfabe or however u spell it
If glad 2Pac didn't get the role
Pac was tripping and they are too. How you gonna tell the director wtf to do.
I know right, you can't tell a director how make his own movie
Mc eiht don't really be saying anything deep, he say the common things people already know.
Mc Eiht sits on a cheir.