A request for change of action: James, no matter the devotion you hold for your partner, wearing jewelry (a wedding band, etc.) while working with electricity or moving parts is an unneeded risk. You can unintentionally get that ring stuck in a tight spot, accidentally weld it if it gets between the positive battery post and the frame, and worse. Your partner should never feel uncomfortable with you removing your band temporarily to preserve your safety. Taking it off does not mean your marriage or devotion is over. But it DOES mean you care enough to not put your partner through the worry and anguish that would accompany your injury or even possible loss of finger. You've not had an accident with it yet, and I hope you never do. Because I really enjoy watching and learning from your videos. You're a winner!
Amazing how a more than 2 hours repairing video could be that entertaining! You are a master on both reparing things and making quality video content. I am deeply impressed!
You were smart to clean those terminals on the key switch. Most people wouldn't think about it, but I ran into this exact issue recently on one of my lawn tractors. The engine came to a dead stop when I was cutting grass and was locked up. I eventually found that the starter failed to disengage and the starter gear was jammed in the flywheel. After a year's worth of headaches and trouble shooting, I eventually found that the terminals on the key switch were corroded, and the key switch was sending a constant signal to the solenoid, which was causing the starter to fail to disengage. I replaced the key switch, and it fixed the issue. I nearly drove myself insane before I figured it out.
I have worked really hard for a good position of my life . Had very little supervisory jobs , most of the time I was right beside working with people that was to be teaching or supervision . Were I'm going with this is . That's it educational and entertaining to watch someone James . He does an excellent job of explaining and great quality and work . I would never have a second thought of purchasing anything he has rebuild or repaired .
And now he's officially a welder, too. Another compelling, amazing, interesting, professional and personable video from the master of small motor/generator repair. Thanks for posting.
Well, James, that escalated quickly! I can't believe how good that engine sounded when you ran it with the damage in that cylinder! I never would have guessed there was that much trash in the cylinder! The carnage inside was unbelievable for running on a single cylinder. Even though the seller said it was stored in a shed, that doesn't mean it was all together in the shed or that the shed was watertight.
Yes I agree with that. I wonder if the seller took both heads off the engine. Then the person reassembled one head on a cylinder, thus protecting it. But the other head was left off the cylinder exposing the cylinder and piston to moisture...and that in turn ruined the cylinder. I kind of wonder how honest the seller was in this case. Did the seller reassemble the head before selling the unit, knowing there was severe rust damage to the cylinder and piston?
Hi James. I had no interest in engines until I came to your site. Thank you for making it so good and informative. Think this is one of your best, but don't think you did! From a carpenter in England.
I'm looking forward to the part 2 video and see what you can make out of two of these machines. As far as your welding goes, if you have a grinder, you're as good of a welder as most people.
For some reason it is hard to tell a two cylinder engine is running on one. I know this and this is a lesson reminder. I did not notice it when running and had no other reason to suspected it. I was very surprised as you were.
I guess the lesson to be learned on this project is to always pull those plugs and/or exhaust manifold out/off and check the cylinders before you start placing orders for parts. I'm honestly surprised you didn't yank the plugs and throw some lubricant down into the cylinders before turning the motor. Perhaps you would have caught the problem earlier. Anyway, another great video. Thanks.
Well, when you hear how it turns out when he started up and how healthy it sounded, who's gonna check that at that point? It started flawlessly at the first crank.
I wonder if Northern was using Mecc Alte Gen head back then. Good quality brushless heads. They stopped using them some years back. Now Northern is using brushed heads again probably chinesium made . We had a 12k winco for commercial roofing. That had a Mecc Alte head and had just over 2k hours when we sold it. Good stuff
I'm in the process of re-building one of these Vanguard Engines (18hp). Can confirm that you have lots of valuable parts. Most valuable ones being the carburetor and camshaft and starter (if it is an OEM one). Great video as always!
I can't thank you enough for finally working on a Northstar. Very interesting to see the world of the larger units they made. I currently have an 8k PPG, but would love to have the 10k or 13k version. PPG was their base line. IPG (industrial portable gen) was the next step up, giving you additional outlets, and I think an automatic idle when not under load. TFG was their tri-fuel model.
Hi James… been awhile since I’ve commented. Another great video. What an awesome machine I was excited to see this one producing power. Too bad cylinder was junk. Been a subscriber for a while now but it’s amazing how your channel has grown over last year. Happy for you and to see this channel is doing well like it should. Your meticulous approach to generator repair is what draws me to all your videos. You’re great at your trade and it shows with how much knowledge you have. Just wanted to show my appreciation. Good luck to your further success.
1:00:00 When welding really thin stuff I've found it helps to really jump around, tack weld on one side, tack weld on the opposite side, just keep tack welding on opposite sides. Letting it cool down in between and keeping things as cool as possible seems to help me avoid blowouts.
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Aloha James... Another interesting and informative video. I am totally surprised that this engine even ran at all with the rusted piston and the broken connecting rod. It sounded pretty good when you started it up and that was amazing. One welding note. When welding thin metal like the rusted and broken muffler, always start on the thicker piece of metal and then go to the thinner metal for just a short time. Only weld in one spot for just a short time and then move to another spot as the previous spot cools. Using a small spot weld technique in one place and then moving to another to let the previous weld cool will allow you to successfully weld very thin pieces. It may take longer, but that technique will allow you to weld thin material without blowing a hole through it when everything gets hot. I am glad you found another unit, and hopefully the engine on it is good enough to power one of the generators. I am anxious to see one together and making power. Good luck on the newer one you just found. Maybe between the two you can make one functional generator that produces very clean power. I look forward to your next video when you work on the 2nd unit. Keep your very interesting videos coming as they are very informative and entertaining. Aloha
Great video Jim! What a surprise that must have been to find that cylinder trashed, what a shame. Glad you found the other generator, looking forward to part two!
PPG stands for "Pulse Pattern Generator" usually referred to in bench test electronics equipment. This North Star should handle 10000 watts as it's still afvertised on their webpage with specifications. Great video as always James, thank you.
Well the broken conrod was a surprise. I'm thinking this genny was running and slipped/knocked into a trench/hole that had water at the bottom.. The impact was taking by the muffler and the motor gulped in some H2O causing it to hydraulic.
To remove that mainjet easier i use VDE sloted 1,0x5,5x125mm screwdriver to not strip it out and for the pilot jet i use VDE slotted screwdriver either 0,8x4,0x100 or 0,6x3,5x100. If i am not wrong it is the smaller one. The shape of them fits perfectly into the slot of the jet and the shape of the tip on the screwdriver does not make it forced out of the slot when turning. Thank you for a good channel. I am a mechanic myself with 40 years of experience and 25 of them as small machine mechanic, but i still like to see your videos. Greetings from Finland 🇫🇮!
Good tip Other than the insolation for electrical work, are these any different than craftsman brand or snapon? Please elaborate about VDE, what it is and a link of we’re to get
And when you make this kind of work, you must have also screw drives with JIS tip (Japan industrial standard). Tip is not the same as Phillips or Posidrive. Terveiset myös Suomesta. Harrastan nyt kolmatta kesää Kymco 4T skoottereiden korjaamista. Ostan viallisia ja korjaan ne. Tähän mennessä olen saanut kaikki kuntoon, 22 kpl. Kari, 72v.
Wow!! Amazed it was running so smooth at first! Thanks for satisfying all our curiosity by taking it fully apart to see inside! That broken connecting rod just hanging out while its neighbor was busy doing all the work. The fact that the broke rod, nor the pieces inside weren't banging around against anything is pretty wild to me. Then the fact that it appeared the nonstop ignition issue was on that cylinder, when it had nothing going on inside. Crazy!
On the topic of that fuel drain -- inspired by your videos and watching you clean the mess out of fuel tanks, I added exactly that feature to my 7kW generator about a year ago. I can just hang the tube in a fuel jug, open the valve and come back in a half hour or so. Makes it super easy to keep the tank and carb empty.
I love the longer videos, even if it probably wasn't meant to be. What a shame, that machine looked like it was a beast. Can't wait for the part 2 with the other NorthStar.
I have found placing the whole carb in the heated ultrasonic cleaner and run it for a while helps with disassembly by softening up the gaskets and expanding the 2 pieces.
Totally rebuildable!!! Small scratches mean nothing! Get a new rod/ piston and fix / smooth out crank, this engine will run fine! It does not have to be 100%, 90% is FINE!! This is a great generator, so just rebuild it!!
Damn James that is a nice machine. I think this is what I want to do as a hobby. Just buy up others people’s genies and restore them. I’ve learned so much from you. I want to thank you for the knowledge you gave given me.
Tip on getting the coil bolts loose. They are a flanged bolt. So use the socket and a few good hits with a hammer and they will come loose 👍 Never rung one since
Wow James!! Great video but the engine was like a slow sinking ship. Thanks for spending the time to show everything you did. Maybe you’ll find another block or engine. It was great to see you last night with Ken and Gary. You have a lot of knowledge in these engines and generators. I also like no commercials. Thank you again James!!
Hi James. The 120 v outlets indicate a NEC of about 2013 when the code was changed to allow that the ground could be on top, rather than on the bottom per pre 2013 NEC. That indicates the generator could be about 11 years old. I really like your videos. Thank you for your time and efforts ! Steve
When I see "Easy Fix or Major Problem?" I look at the length of the video and then I know whether I should make a cup of coffee or a whole pot. 🙂Ya win some, ya lose some. Thanks for another outstanding video. Have a pleasant and peaceful weekend, Jim.
Yes, I agree that did escalate very quickly with this machine very unexpected until the teardown and then we get to see the aftermath of a complete mess. Thank you for another great video James your greatly appreciated.
That's a shame, all engines eventually fail, the fact that it ran after is nothing short of amazing, thought for sure in the beginning of this video that this was a viable machine, great video
your two hour videos go by in a flash I get totally absorbed in them as to what you'll find and this one did not disappoint it's still a strange one why that one cylinder was so bad
Thank you for taking the time to teach us electrical troubleshooting. It's something most people won't run into very often, so it is difficult for most people to learn on their own. There are very few channels that take the time to do that.
I'll be interested in seeing part II. I've had a NorthStar (10kw, 18 hp Honda) for twenty years. Aside from normal good maintenance I've done nothing to it and it runs like a champ. It has never failed me-knock on wood.
Think you are thinking of CO (carbon Monoxide). Lots of people have been killed by their generators after hurricanes from CO poisoning. Great job on the generator. I have a Generac 10000EXL which looks almost like this one. It has a 19 hp twin engines.
Amazing there was no internal noise or evidence of a blown cylinder, it really did sound pretty good. Equally amazing that you found another one! Great video with lots of very useful information, looking forward to part 2.
I have seen in my area,these monster generators cheap to buy,I picked up a 17k machine had to be moved, good carb cleaning and good to go,thumbs up,great video
1104’24/0131h 🇺🇸 Thank you for the 2h saga, that was exhibited patiently and relentless hard work. I’m sure you’d not consider the endeavor a loss for you, but a victory, a teaching, to all the viewers. I’d call it a success from a failure. We learned to be relentlessly patient to the job undertaken. Can the engine be repaired, can the generator be made to work? Yes… absolutely. But for you, it’d be a loss. Thank you very much and like most people, I too look forward to part 2. Cheers. 73s….
I await the 2nd Video (part 2)! It's not often I watch ANY Video over an hour(much less a2 hour plus Video) But I watch EVERY Minute of ALL your Video! Great Job, Fantastic content. Keep them coming! Thank you for all your efforts!
Very similar situation happened to me, but from a Generac. I even ordered parts as well and still was tearing things down, cleaning ect… then found a bad piston and block. I was like 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️, so every time now I purchase a small engine that needs work, I borscope it first… So far I have been lucky since that experience. Just stings some knowing you put all that time in effort into something and comes up as parts… All is good though!
Hey James, here's a small thanks to go towards recouping your unexpected time investment with this one. I love your channel btw but personally I don't like seeing these vanguards go to waste especially. If you happend to hang onto those parts imo they seem salvageablefrom I happen to own and operate a full time machine shop, here on the east coast. Give me a poke if ya like to do something together with those pesky parts just for the sake of doing it.... (crank and block) the block actually might be quite salvagable, I'd have to give some calls out, and see if some places are still trying to get rid of old parts they don't want to stock or ebay for the con rod and piston. And see the Briggs book for appropriate procedures on this exact model, if it can be board slightly over or not. Just looking to get back into youtube, think it could be interesting so I might have some clips for you to use aswell. I'm invested in your channel since it's just something down to earth and chill I watch to wind down from time to time. Have a good one.
Thanks I really appreciate the offer but I already recycled the block. I am looking at buying a used engine or potentially a used block, crank and piston and rings. Unfortunately a new block and crank are over $1,000 and the piston and rings are no longer available. It would have been interesting to make the attempt. It’s already broken so it can only be made better. Wish I held onto it a little longer.
@@jcondon1 James, no worries. I kinda suspect this was the case, however I know what you get up to here, and I'm confident it's not going to be your only opertunity if your open to giving me a poke in the future. Years ago I got my start in Machining doing loads of these small engine repairs on the side for fun and no projects are necessarily too much effort lol. Thanks for the response I appreciate it :)
I have just figured out why I like watching these videos so much: a sense of accomplishment (didn't I just go a great job?), without having to get out of my chair or get my hands greasy!
Your exhaust pipe being off to the left - I suspect some of that is from the welding itself. The weld goes on hot, fills the gap, then contracts as it cools pulling the pipe stem toward the weld side. Part of the welding game is predicting and controlling warpage. Also, when you changed the tire in the beginning, I LOLed a bit when you showed how the tire read "not for highway use"... yeah, no worries mate. Anyways, great video, always learn some good stuff fom you.
Great Video-when I was spent some time in the South I had a Northern Tool that was close to me and I'd stop in every few weeks. Also when traveling through Indianapolis Indiana. FYI-the technical term is gasses are compressible and liquids are incompressible. That's why you want the air out when using hydraulic pressure to pop off the rotor to avoid the "spring action" On your ignition coil I'd say repair the wiring, As long as you use enough material to insulate it should be fine. They also make the silicon self healing tapes/liquid electrical tapes that work well. I prefer OEM coils over aftermarket and the parts on older briggs get really expensive really quickly. I recently had to buy a coil for a Toro Snow Commander, OEM Briggs and it was $90. Then I was working on my Scag w/ a Kohler Command and that had a bad coil. What a disaster, 2 OEM Kohler coils were faulty, at 50 F they were out of the resistance spec...as the day warmed up and around 70 F they were in the resistance spec...I finally bought a NOS off ebay and it worked at 50 F...what a disaster!!!!
Hello James: You have done it to me again. I kept watching long after I should have been doing some actual work I need to get done. Very interesting. I suggest the unit was flooded at some time. Someone did not remove the spark plugs before trying to start. The hydrolocked piston had the crank shaft fail.that is why very little internal damage. I may be a bit less critical of using less than perfect components than you are. I would drive the bad piston out. Try to hone the bore. Even if it is necessary to go to an oversize piston dimension. Resurface the crank or replace, whichever is most cost effective. Reassemble and see how well the unit performes.No it will not be new. I would estimate it would at least perform above the 85% mark. Very clean power. If I lived near you I would not hesitate to buy it for a fair price as a good working unit knowing the previous repair history. Maybe more valuable to you as a parts unit but this viewer has a soft spot to see the damaged stuff be repaired and go back into service. You do that very well, keep up the good work. This viewer will keep watching and enjoy not doing the work he should be doing.
A great episode. Love the long ones :-). Guess I'm weird. The sight of that cylinder just made me feel sad about the lost possibilities of an engine like that. The usefulness it could have continued to provide. Also guess that's why I like your rescues so much. Lost possibilities restored.
Hey James, a couple of tips that might help your welding projects in the future: Increase your wire feed rate a little, it sounds like it’s too slow. You want it to “crackle” rapidly, not hiss and spit. For doing repairs on super thin material like that you will almost always blow through no matter how low you set the machine, so pulsing the trigger is helpful for those situations. Pulse just long enough for a puddle to be established and then let off, might be something like half a second on, one second off, something like that. I’ve also found that gasless flux core wire can be more forgiving than true mig. Good luck!
I always shock flywheels off. I have never had much luck with pullers on flywheels. A lot of people don't like it, but it is the most effective method, in my opinion.
Really glad we have No.2 video to come cos this one is very interesting as all your videos are. Thank you for all the effort that you put in.............................Berni UK
I find it refreshing to see a repair video where someone has the wherewithal to throw in the towel. In my younger days I’d be carried away and spend too much time and money trying to justify my decision to buy the unit.
Loved the vid. So you could take the case to a machine shop and they will remove and replace the sleeve. Then you need a crank, piston, two rods and an oil pump, which I'm guessing you could find used. I bet the head is fine just needs to be cleaned up. I watched JAMSI do a sleeve like this like it was nothing so it might be worth an ask. Recently repaired the 15K version of this. re-capped , rebuilt carb and repaired the fuel tank.
Just a suggestion when you’re welding. Concentrate your heat on the thicker piece of metal and then pull back a little to connect the weaker piece of metal. The weaker metal takes less heat so you have to get off it quickly. Let the heat from the original thicker piece of metal maintain the heat and transfer to the weaker metal via the wild itself
PPG, Professional Portable Generator? I saw another Northstar generator that was advertised as an “IGP” Industrial Portable Generator and it, too also had a 16 hp Vanguard engine, rated at 10,000 watts surge, and 8,500 watts continuous.
WOW! That was a roller coaster ride! I'm sorry you didn't get to save this one, I would have loved to see it all come back together. It does speak to my OCD nature to want to clean everything before knowing it's actually worth the time and effort. That said, it sure sounded fine when it ran in the beginning, that's a testament to Toyota engineering that it was able to run AT ALL. And a testament to your thoroughness to inspect it fully when you pulled the plugs, that could have been a dangerous mess if you tried to put any load on that thing.
Hi James, it's so nice to see you again. Merry Christmas. I'm at 57:00, and you are 20 for 20 so far. Now, back to the show. Don't give up on the boat. I've watched many of your videos and have never seen you not complete a project. As the saying goes, "Take it to the end."
James, I had an older Generac brand 10,000 watt generator and it also had a Briggs Vanguard 16hp Vtwin and it made it's rated power no problem. The torque rating on this particular Vtwin is ample to supply the rated power. It's not always the horsepower number 👍
James I believe all Briggs & Stratton manufactured Vanguard small engines have pressed in steel Cylinders so that damaged can be repaired but I guess the two rods and the machine work may make it cost prohibited. Glad you found the other unit let's hope with two you will be able to get one functional unit. Great video I'll be looking for part two.
@@Ismsanmar I just went back and re-examined the footage and they are both North Star Pro Series Generators which by their label should be B&S Vanguard powered engines. So I think what I said is feasible.
@@Ismsanmar well I must have missed the Honda engine than the power heads won't be compatible either then, good eye I didn't see that on my old laptop with my old eyes but I'll go back at take a third look, thanks.
I bought a NorthStar 6500PPG generator for 300 last year, it has a 9hp Vangauard just needed a carb cleaning and a new fuel line, I also love the tank drain, I wish my other 2 generators had them.
Split rims on a generator, excellent. Split rims on an airliner, not so much. Three Delta Airlines Maintenence Ops crew learned that the hard way when removing a wheel assembly a week or so ago.
That’s why wa gotta deflate the tire first. An aircraft tire is a bomb literally if not defused properly. They also have thermal fuses that melt in case the tire catches on fire so they don’t explode (Which would destroy shit big time)
I'm glad this didn't turn out to be a loss in the end-and that you have a lot of useable parts for what seems to be a very good machine. I'm also looking forward to the next video, and really curious to see just how clean the levels are on such an old generator. Great content as always James. 👍👍👍
James, you do a great job of bringing equipment back to life, I really enjoy your videos. One thing I would suggest would be for you to get a blasting cabinet, even a small bench top unit, as it would make cleaning parts of rust and corrosion a a lot easier , and do a much better job than wire brushing or sanding. By using glass beads, it won't damage even aluminum parts, and leabes a great clean surface. I have a ScatBlast blasting cabinet, and I would be lost without it, it makes cleaning corroded and rusy parts a breeze. Paint adheres much better to the surface too.
All kinds of alert bells rang when that rusty plug appeared! Never seen a cylinder damaged that way. What a shame. My thought is the piston rod bolts came undone and laid down in the sump for years while condensation spent a few seasons rusting out the cylinder. The bolts on the good side were also loose. That is a bad sign. Great video!
At a distance, the second find looks to be in good shape. Hopefully we will see a combination of the two to make one good viable machine. Looking forward to part two of the North Stars.
This machine might have been stored indoors recently, but I think it was definitely stored outdoors for some time, or was stored in an open structure. It was clearly exposed to the elements.
This is so exciting! And now ya got another Northstar 🎉. I can’t wait to see the newly acquired Northstar and the completion of the old one. My theory on what caused the cylinder wall to rust is that it was not stored top dead center with the valves closed. Humid air cycled in and out of that cylinder as temperatures cycled I’m going to start storing my generators with valves closed/sealed AFTER “dry running” all the moist/humid air out.
The key to welding thin metal is to only weld spots like your first two welds. You need to keep going around the perimeter until all of the welds touch each other. You're guaranteed to burn through if you try a continuous weld.
James: Do you know WHY car companies & others use $2 scissor jacks ? It is because there are none of the $1 jacks left ! I love the drill being used to operate the jack. That lead in means I will enjoy the video. Split rims.......vehicular split rims have been banned in many places. Since the tire is flat there is no danger. Inflating the tire is another story. Your videos are excellent. Cheers! from Alberta
An interesting and educational journey. Sorry there was no gold at the end of the rainbow.. As you noted there are enough good parts plus the ability to return some for a refund that you'll be OK and maybe even make a few bucks, I sure hope so. Thanks for bringing us along.
"If I don't weld it, then it's trash. If I weld it and mess it up, then it's trash". Well said and a good philosophy when making a repair.
kind of holds truth through all life.... Do it right!!
It's basically that concept that got me into small engine repair years ago!
A request for change of action: James, no matter the devotion you hold for your partner, wearing jewelry (a wedding band, etc.) while working with electricity or moving parts is an unneeded risk. You can unintentionally get that ring stuck in a tight spot, accidentally weld it if it gets between the positive battery post and the frame, and worse. Your partner should never feel uncomfortable with you removing your band temporarily to preserve your safety. Taking it off does not mean your marriage or devotion is over. But it DOES mean you care enough to not put your partner through the worry and anguish that would accompany your injury or even possible loss of finger. You've not had an accident with it yet, and I hope you never do. Because I really enjoy watching and learning from your videos. You're a winner!
Using any spinning wire brush without wearing safety glasses is another recipe for disaster where you won't even see what you did wrong. Pun intended.
Part 2 should be very interesting finding out what the issues are with the 2nd unit. Looking forward to Part 2.
Amazing how a more than 2 hours repairing video could be that entertaining! You are a master on both reparing things and making quality video content. I am deeply impressed!
Thanks 👍
You were smart to clean those terminals on the key switch. Most people wouldn't think about it, but I ran into this exact issue recently on one of my lawn tractors. The engine came to a dead stop when I was cutting grass and was locked up. I eventually found that the starter failed to disengage and the starter gear was jammed in the flywheel. After a year's worth of headaches and trouble shooting, I eventually found that the terminals on the key switch were corroded, and the key switch was sending a constant signal to the solenoid, which was causing the starter to fail to disengage. I replaced the key switch, and it fixed the issue. I nearly drove myself insane before I figured it out.
I have worked really hard for a good position of my life .
Had very little supervisory jobs , most of the time I was right beside working with people that was to be teaching or supervision .
Were I'm going with this is .
That's it educational and entertaining to watch someone James .
He does an excellent job of explaining and great quality and work .
I would never have a second thought of purchasing anything he has rebuild or repaired .
And now he's officially a welder, too. Another compelling, amazing, interesting, professional and personable video from the master of small motor/generator repair. Thanks for posting.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Well, James, that escalated quickly! I can't believe how good that engine sounded when you ran it with the damage in that cylinder! I never would have guessed there was that much trash in the cylinder! The carnage inside was unbelievable for running on a single cylinder.
Even though the seller said it was stored in a shed, that doesn't mean it was all together in the shed or that the shed was watertight.
"I mean - it REALLY got outta hand."
For the amount of dirt, corrosion, rust, and faded paint, there's no question this unit was left outside.
Yes I agree with that. I wonder if the seller took both heads off the engine. Then the person reassembled one head on a cylinder, thus protecting it. But the other head was left off the cylinder exposing the cylinder and piston to moisture...and that in turn ruined the cylinder. I kind of wonder how honest the seller was in this case. Did the seller reassemble the head before selling the unit, knowing there was severe rust damage to the cylinder and piston?
Wow, that repair went from good to bad, very quickly. But at $100, you have some very valuable spare parts, so still well worth the money.
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Too late to warn about a spoiler when your post is below the spoiler after I've already read the spoiler 🤣😂🤣😂🙄🐐
Hi James. I had no interest in engines until I came to your site. Thank you for making it so good and informative. Think this is one of your best, but don't think you did! From a carpenter in England.
James, you've become a wizard at editing. Post production on this video was what. . . 10 hours plus of work? Most enjoyable.
At least
I'm looking forward to the part 2 video and see what you can make out of two of these machines. As far as your welding goes, if you have a grinder, you're as good of a welder as most people.
For some reason it is hard to tell a two cylinder engine is running on one. I know this and this is a lesson reminder. I did not notice it when running and had no other reason to suspected it. I was very surprised as you were.
Loved the cliffhanger ending, James. Keep 'em coming!
I guess the lesson to be learned on this project is to always pull those plugs and/or exhaust manifold out/off and check the cylinders before you start placing orders for parts. I'm honestly surprised you didn't yank the plugs and throw some lubricant down into the cylinders before turning the motor. Perhaps you would have caught the problem earlier. Anyway, another great video. Thanks.
Lesson learned. On multi cylinder engines check each for compression. Usually a problem is very obvious on a single cylinder engine.
Well, when you hear how it turns out when he started up and how healthy it sounded, who's gonna check that at that point? It started flawlessly at the first crank.
I wonder if Northern was using Mecc Alte Gen head back then. Good quality brushless heads. They stopped using them some years back. Now Northern is using brushed heads again probably chinesium made . We had a 12k winco for commercial roofing. That had a Mecc Alte head and had just over 2k hours when we sold it. Good stuff
I'm in the process of re-building one of these Vanguard Engines (18hp). Can confirm that you have lots of valuable parts. Most valuable ones being the carburetor and camshaft and starter (if it is an OEM one). Great video as always!
Good luck!
James, you are a good detective when figuring out what is wrong with these machines. This machine is cool, and you got to the bottom of whats wrong.
I still chuckle at the end of your videos & the dog bark. Eager to see the next Vanguard video!
I can't thank you enough for finally working on a Northstar. Very interesting to see the world of the larger units they made. I currently have an 8k PPG, but would love to have the 10k or 13k version.
PPG was their base line.
IPG (industrial portable gen) was the next step up, giving you additional outlets, and I think an automatic idle when not under load.
TFG was their tri-fuel model.
Hi James… been awhile since I’ve commented. Another great video. What an awesome machine I was excited to see this one producing power. Too bad cylinder was junk. Been a subscriber for a while now but it’s amazing how your channel has grown over last year. Happy for you and to see this channel is doing well like it should. Your meticulous approach to generator repair is what draws me to all your videos. You’re great at your trade and it shows with how much knowledge you have. Just wanted to show my appreciation. Good luck to your further success.
1:00:00 When welding really thin stuff I've found it helps to really jump around, tack weld on one side, tack weld on the opposite side, just keep tack welding on opposite sides. Letting it cool down in between and keeping things as cool as possible seems to help me avoid blowouts.
James,
Me Nina and my other half (Wayne), are most certainly NOT trolls.
We realy DO thank you for your videos, and content.
Our humour is not always appreciated, this we can understand🫣🫣🫣. But it is just put into comments to raise a little smile when things are tough going.
We love you all James, and cannot thank you more for your content.
Warmest Regards.
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Aloha James... Another interesting and informative video. I am totally surprised that this engine even ran at all with the rusted piston and the broken connecting rod. It sounded pretty good when you started it up and that was amazing. One welding note. When welding thin metal like the rusted and broken muffler, always start on the thicker piece of metal and then go to the thinner metal for just a short time. Only weld in one spot for just a short time and then move to another spot as the previous spot cools. Using a small spot weld technique in one place and then moving to another to let the previous weld cool will allow you to successfully weld very thin pieces. It may take longer, but that technique will allow you to weld thin material without blowing a hole through it when everything gets hot. I am glad you found another unit, and hopefully the engine on it is good enough to power one of the generators. I am anxious to see one together and making power. Good luck on the newer one you just found. Maybe between the two you can make one functional generator that produces very clean power. I look forward to your next video when you work on the 2nd unit. Keep your very interesting videos coming as they are very informative and entertaining. Aloha
generators have always been good buys to fix up and flip for money! after power outages i get plenty rolling through the shop for repair!
Great video Jim! What a surprise that must have been to find that cylinder trashed, what a shame. Glad you found the other generator, looking forward to part two!
Thanks 👍
James C;..the undisputed wizard of Generators......!
Agreed! His vids convey so much experience and knowledge. And his patience!
PPG stands for "Pulse Pattern Generator" usually referred to in bench test electronics equipment. This North Star should handle 10000 watts as it's still afvertised on their webpage with specifications. Great video as always James, thank you.
Thanks for the info!
At least you've got more good parts for your storage.
I really like anything made in Japan.
Excellent engineers.
Well the broken conrod was a surprise.
I'm thinking this genny was running and slipped/knocked into a trench/hole that had water at the bottom.. The impact was taking by the muffler and the motor gulped in some H2O causing it to hydraulic.
To remove that mainjet easier i use VDE sloted 1,0x5,5x125mm screwdriver to not strip it out and for the pilot jet i use VDE slotted screwdriver either 0,8x4,0x100 or 0,6x3,5x100. If i am not wrong it is the smaller one. The shape of them fits perfectly into the slot of the jet and the shape of the tip on the screwdriver does not make it forced out of the slot when turning. Thank you for a good channel. I am a mechanic myself with 40 years of experience and 25 of them as small machine mechanic, but i still like to see your videos. Greetings from Finland 🇫🇮!
Good tip
Other than the insolation for electrical work, are these any different than craftsman brand or snapon?
Please elaborate about VDE, what it is and a link of we’re to get
Yes, the shape of the tip is totally different
And when you make this kind of work, you must have also screw drives with JIS tip (Japan industrial standard). Tip is not the same as Phillips or Posidrive.
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Wow!! Amazed it was running so smooth at first! Thanks for satisfying all our curiosity by taking it fully apart to see inside! That broken connecting rod just hanging out while its neighbor was busy doing all the work. The fact that the broke rod, nor the pieces inside weren't banging around against anything is pretty wild to me.
Then the fact that it appeared the nonstop ignition issue was on that cylinder, when it had nothing going on inside. Crazy!
Sigh... I had so much to do today, and then James drops a 2 hour video. Oh well, I guess the grass ain't getting mowed!
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On the topic of that fuel drain -- inspired by your videos and watching you clean the mess out of fuel tanks, I added exactly that feature to my 7kW generator about a year ago. I can just hang the tube in a fuel jug, open the valve and come back in a half hour or so. Makes it super easy to keep the tank and carb empty.
“Easy fix or major problem?”
2 h+ video…. Let me take a guess 😂
Excellent video! Learned a lot. 👍🏼
I love the longer videos, even if it probably wasn't meant to be. What a shame, that machine looked like it was a beast. Can't wait for the part 2 with the other NorthStar.
Be great to see a happy ending to this rebuild
I have found placing the whole carb in the heated ultrasonic cleaner and run it for a while helps with disassembly by softening up the gaskets and expanding the 2 pieces.
2hr video so I reckon it's got to have major problems! 😅
Rust is man's curse... Great video as always, good luck with part 2 👍🏻
I was really hoping You would remove the stuck piston to see extend of the damage on a cylinder wall. Thanks for the upload!
Totally rebuildable!!! Small scratches mean nothing! Get a new rod/ piston and fix / smooth out crank, this engine will run fine! It does not have to be 100%, 90% is FINE!! This is a great generator, so just rebuild it!!
Damn James that is a nice machine. I think this is what I want to do as a hobby. Just buy up others people’s genies and restore them. I’ve learned so much from you. I want to thank you for the knowledge you gave given me.
Tip on getting the coil bolts loose. They are a flanged bolt. So use the socket and a few good hits with a hammer and they will come loose 👍
Never rung one since
Wow James!! Great video but the engine was like a slow sinking ship.
Thanks for spending the time to show everything you did. Maybe you’ll find another block or engine.
It was great to see you last night with Ken and Gary. You have a lot of knowledge in these engines and generators.
I also like no commercials. Thank you again James!!
Hi James.
The 120 v outlets indicate a NEC of about 2013 when the code was changed to allow that the ground could be on top, rather than on the bottom per pre 2013 NEC.
That indicates the generator could be about 11 years old.
I really like your videos.
Thank you for your time and efforts !
Steve
The engine had a date code of 1999. The outlets could have been replaced.
When I see "Easy Fix or Major Problem?" I look at the length of the video and then I know whether I should make a cup of coffee or a whole pot. 🙂Ya win some, ya lose some. Thanks for another outstanding video. Have a pleasant and peaceful weekend, Jim.
Yes, I agree that did escalate very quickly with this machine very unexpected until the teardown and then we get to see the aftermath of a complete mess. Thank you for another great video James your greatly appreciated.
That's a shame, all engines eventually fail, the fact that it ran after is nothing short of amazing, thought for sure in the beginning of this video that this was a viable machine, great video
your two hour videos go by in a flash I get totally absorbed in them as to what you'll find and this one did not disappoint it's still a strange one why that one cylinder was so bad
Thank you for taking the time to teach us electrical troubleshooting. It's something most people won't run into very often, so it is difficult for most people to learn on their own. There are very few channels that take the time to do that.
I'll be interested in seeing part II. I've had a NorthStar (10kw, 18 hp Honda) for twenty years. Aside from normal good maintenance I've done nothing to it and it runs like a champ. It has never failed me-knock on wood.
Think you are thinking of CO (carbon Monoxide). Lots of people have been killed by their generators after hurricanes from CO poisoning. Great job on the generator. I have a Generac 10000EXL which looks almost like this one. It has a 19 hp twin engines.
Amazing there was no internal noise or evidence of a blown cylinder, it really did sound pretty good. Equally amazing that you found another one! Great video with lots of very useful information, looking forward to part 2.
I have seen in my area,these monster generators cheap to buy,I picked up a 17k machine had to be moved, good carb cleaning and good to go,thumbs up,great video
That is a Mecc alte S20 generating unit. There is loads of info on them online. We are quite familiar with them here in UK. Great videos James. 👍
Thanks for sharing
1104’24/0131h 🇺🇸 Thank you for the 2h saga, that was exhibited patiently and relentless hard work. I’m sure you’d not consider the endeavor a loss for you, but a victory, a teaching, to all the viewers. I’d call it a success from a failure. We learned to be relentlessly patient to the job undertaken. Can the engine be repaired, can the generator be made to work? Yes… absolutely. But for you, it’d be a loss. Thank you very much and like most people, I too look forward to part 2. Cheers. 73s….
Hard to believe that thing ran at all and didn't shake itself to pieces, with all that carnage. Thanks for the video.
I await the 2nd Video (part 2)! It's not often I watch ANY Video over an hour(much less a2 hour plus Video) But I watch EVERY Minute of ALL your Video! Great Job, Fantastic content. Keep them coming! Thank you for all your efforts!
Glad you enjoy it!
@@jcondon1, we Always enjoy your videos ! ! !
Very similar situation happened to me, but from a Generac. I even ordered parts as well and still was tearing things down, cleaning ect… then found a bad piston and block. I was like 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️, so every time now I purchase a small engine that needs work, I borscope it first… So far I have been lucky since that experience. Just stings some knowing you put all that time in effort into something and comes up as parts… All is good though!
Good judgement comes from experience, but experience comes from bad judgement.
Hey James, here's a small thanks to go towards recouping your unexpected time investment with this one.
I love your channel btw but personally I don't like seeing these vanguards go to waste especially.
If you happend to hang onto those parts imo they seem salvageablefrom I happen to own and operate a full time machine shop, here on the east coast. Give me a poke if ya like to do something together with those pesky parts just for the sake of doing it.... (crank and block) the block actually might be quite salvagable, I'd have to give some calls out, and see if some places are still trying to get rid of old parts they don't want to stock or ebay for the con rod and piston. And see the Briggs book for appropriate procedures on this exact model, if it can be board slightly over or not.
Just looking to get back into youtube, think it could be interesting so I might have some clips for you to use aswell. I'm invested in your channel since it's just something down to earth and chill I watch to wind down from time to time.
Have a good one.
Thanks I really appreciate the offer but I already recycled the block. I am looking at buying a used engine or potentially a used block, crank and piston and rings. Unfortunately a new block and crank are over $1,000 and the piston and rings are no longer available. It would have been interesting to make the attempt. It’s already broken so it can only be made better. Wish I held onto it a little longer.
@@jcondon1 I wish you would have held on to it as well. Would have been fun to see that block fixed and come back to life.
@@jcondon1 James, no worries. I kinda suspect this was the case, however I know what you get up to here, and I'm confident it's not going to be your only opertunity if your open to giving me a poke in the future. Years ago I got my start in Machining doing loads of these small engine repairs on the side for fun and no projects are necessarily too much effort lol. Thanks for the response I appreciate it :)
I have just figured out why I like watching these videos so much: a sense of accomplishment (didn't I just go a great job?), without having to get out of my chair or get my hands greasy!
Your exhaust pipe being off to the left - I suspect some of that is from the welding itself. The weld goes on hot, fills the gap, then contracts as it cools pulling the pipe stem toward the weld side. Part of the welding game is predicting and controlling warpage. Also, when you changed the tire in the beginning, I LOLed a bit when you showed how the tire read "not for highway use"... yeah, no worries mate. Anyways, great video, always learn some good stuff fom you.
Great Video-when I was spent some time in the South I had a Northern Tool that was close to me and I'd stop in every few weeks. Also when traveling through Indianapolis Indiana.
FYI-the technical term is gasses are compressible and liquids are incompressible. That's why you want the air out when using hydraulic pressure to pop off the rotor to avoid the "spring action"
On your ignition coil I'd say repair the wiring, As long as you use enough material to insulate it should be fine. They also make the silicon self healing tapes/liquid electrical tapes that work well. I prefer OEM coils over aftermarket and the parts on older briggs get really expensive really quickly. I recently had to buy a coil for a Toro Snow Commander, OEM Briggs and it was $90. Then I was working on my Scag w/ a Kohler Command and that had a bad coil. What a disaster, 2 OEM Kohler coils were faulty, at 50 F they were out of the resistance spec...as the day warmed up and around 70 F they were in the resistance spec...I finally bought a NOS off ebay and it worked at 50 F...what a disaster!!!!
Hello James: You have done it to me again. I kept watching long after I should have been doing some actual work I need to get done. Very interesting. I suggest the unit was flooded at some time. Someone did not remove the spark plugs before trying to start. The hydrolocked piston had the crank shaft fail.that is why very little internal damage. I may be a bit less critical of using less than perfect components than you are. I would drive the bad piston out. Try to hone the bore. Even if it is necessary to go to an oversize piston dimension. Resurface the crank or replace, whichever is most cost effective. Reassemble and see how well the unit performes.No it will not be new. I would estimate it would at least perform above the 85% mark. Very clean power. If I lived near you I would not hesitate to buy it for a fair price as a good working unit knowing the previous repair history. Maybe more valuable to you as a parts unit but this viewer has a soft spot to see the damaged stuff be repaired and go back into service. You do that very well, keep up the good work. This viewer will keep watching and enjoy not doing the work he should be doing.
A great episode. Love the long ones :-). Guess I'm weird. The sight of that cylinder just made me feel sad about the lost possibilities of an engine like that. The usefulness it could have continued to provide. Also guess that's why I like your rescues so much. Lost possibilities restored.
Glad you enjoyed it
Hey James, a couple of tips that might help your welding projects in the future:
Increase your wire feed rate a little, it sounds like it’s too slow. You want it to “crackle” rapidly, not hiss and spit.
For doing repairs on super thin material like that you will almost always blow through no matter how low you set the machine, so pulsing the trigger is helpful for those situations. Pulse just long enough for a puddle to be established and then let off, might be something like half a second on, one second off, something like that.
I’ve also found that gasless flux core wire can be more forgiving than true mig. Good luck!
Our maker takes care of us! Another Northstar gen was better than just a Vanguard engine
I always shock flywheels off. I have never had much luck with pullers on flywheels. A lot of people don't like it, but it is the most effective method, in my opinion.
Really glad we have No.2 video to come cos this one is very interesting as all your videos are. Thank you for all the effort that you put in.............................Berni UK
I'm amazed at the fact this was running. Well. On 1 cylinder. Was not expecting there to be a blown rod
I find it refreshing to see a repair video where someone has the wherewithal to throw in the towel. In my younger days I’d be carried away and spend too much time and money trying to justify my decision to buy the unit.
A long, but excellent video! I can't believe that it ran so well when you first started it. Great work.
Thanks.
Loved the vid. So you could take the case to a machine shop and they will remove and replace the sleeve. Then you need a crank, piston, two rods and an oil pump, which I'm guessing you could find used. I bet the head is fine just needs to be cleaned up. I watched JAMSI do a sleeve like this like it was nothing so it might be worth an ask. Recently repaired the 15K version of this. re-capped , rebuilt carb and repaired the fuel tank.
Just a suggestion when you’re welding. Concentrate your heat on the thicker piece of metal and then pull back a little to connect the weaker piece of metal. The weaker metal takes less heat so you have to get off it quickly. Let the heat from the original thicker piece of metal maintain the heat and transfer to the weaker metal via the wild itself
My heart dropped when I saw that cylinder, glad you found another engine 🐈🐕
PPG, Professional Portable Generator? I saw another Northstar generator that was advertised as an “IGP” Industrial Portable Generator and it, too also had a 16 hp Vanguard engine, rated at 10,000 watts surge, and 8,500 watts continuous.
WOW! That was a roller coaster ride! I'm sorry you didn't get to save this one, I would have loved to see it all come back together. It does speak to my OCD nature to want to clean everything before knowing it's actually worth the time and effort. That said, it sure sounded fine when it ran in the beginning, that's a testament to Toyota engineering that it was able to run AT ALL. And a testament to your thoroughness to inspect it fully when you pulled the plugs, that could have been a dangerous mess if you tried to put any load on that thing.
Awesome video. I've seen those generator heads at the local Northern Tool stores. Expensive but built well. Thanks for the video..
Hi James, it's so nice to see you again. Merry Christmas. I'm at 57:00, and you are 20 for 20 so far. Now, back to the show. Don't give up on the boat. I've watched many of your videos and have never seen you not complete a project. As the saying goes, "Take it to the end."
There will be a part 2
@@jcondon1 You just made my day. Can't wait to see you in action!
Nice diagnosis, sir. V-twin! Nice change from the thumpers you normally see.
James, I had an older Generac brand 10,000 watt generator and it also had a Briggs Vanguard 16hp Vtwin and it made it's rated power no problem. The torque rating on this particular Vtwin is ample to supply the rated power. It's not always the horsepower number 👍
James I believe all Briggs & Stratton manufactured Vanguard small engines have pressed in steel Cylinders so that damaged can be repaired but I guess the two rods and the machine work may make it cost prohibited. Glad you found the other unit let's hope with two you will be able to get one functional unit. Great video I'll be looking for part two.
They are different models. How can he make one from those two????
@@Ismsanmar I thought it was the same engine, 16 HP VanGuard B&S, what did you see differently..??
@@Ismsanmar I just went back and re-examined the footage and they are both North Star Pro Series Generators which by their label should be B&S Vanguard powered engines. So I think what I said is feasible.
@alfredocuomo1546 Maybe the 13HP Honda engine? Or the 8000 PPG on the control panel?
@@Ismsanmar well I must have missed the Honda engine than the power heads won't be compatible either then, good eye I didn't see that on my old laptop with my old eyes but I'll go back at take a third look, thanks.
I bought a NorthStar 6500PPG generator for 300 last year, it has a 9hp Vangauard just needed a carb cleaning and a new fuel line, I also love the tank drain, I wish my other 2 generators had them.
1:56:00 what a amazing idea, never thought this would ever work, such a great way to do it, thankyou for sharing that trick
Nice to end this video on an optimistic note
Split rims on a generator, excellent. Split rims on an airliner, not so much. Three Delta Airlines Maintenence Ops crew learned that the hard way when removing a wheel assembly a week or so ago.
That’s why wa gotta deflate the tire first. An aircraft tire is a bomb literally if not defused properly. They also have thermal fuses that melt in case the tire catches on fire so they don’t explode (Which would destroy shit big time)
I'm glad this didn't turn out to be a loss in the end-and that you have a lot of useable parts for what seems to be a very good machine. I'm also looking forward to the next video, and really curious to see just how clean the levels are on such an old generator. Great content as always James. 👍👍👍
Thank you!
James, you do a great job of bringing equipment back to life, I really enjoy your videos.
One thing I would suggest would be for you to get a blasting cabinet, even a small bench top unit, as it would make cleaning parts of rust and corrosion a a lot easier , and do a much better job than wire brushing or sanding. By using glass beads, it won't damage even aluminum parts, and leabes a great clean surface.
I have a ScatBlast blasting cabinet, and I would be lost without it, it makes cleaning corroded and rusy parts a breeze. Paint adheres much better to the surface too.
All kinds of alert bells rang when that rusty plug appeared! Never seen a cylinder damaged that way. What a shame. My thought is the piston rod bolts came undone and laid down in the sump for years while condensation spent a few seasons rusting out the cylinder. The bolts on the good side were also loose. That is a bad sign. Great video!
Was hopeing for another northstar video. Was not really a fail, was very educational, Thank You, Waitinf for nthe next one.
At a distance, the second find looks to be in good shape. Hopefully we will see a combination of the two to make one good viable machine. Looking forward to part two of the North Stars.
This machine might have been stored indoors recently, but I think it was definitely stored outdoors for some time, or was stored in an open structure. It was clearly exposed to the elements.
This is so exciting! And now ya got another Northstar 🎉. I can’t wait to see the newly acquired Northstar and the completion of the old one.
My theory on what caused the cylinder wall to rust is that it was not stored top dead center with the valves closed. Humid air cycled in and out of that cylinder as temperatures cycled
I’m going to start storing my generators with valves closed/sealed AFTER “dry running” all the moist/humid air out.
" it was not stored top dead center with the valves closed."
Pistons don't have top dead center at the same time.
@@karirautio Good point. I forgot it was a 2 cylinder 🤣
I love the sound of that twin vanguard engine, am I the only one? , Sounds amazing!❤
Hope you can find another vangaurd engine. Very interested in seeing this machine come back to life.
The key to welding thin metal is to only weld spots like your first two welds. You need to keep going around the perimeter until all of the welds touch each other. You're guaranteed to burn through if you try a continuous weld.
Love your calm demeanor and attitude! Your attention to detail is amazing! Hopefully the next NorthStar Generator project will be a better fix!
Very interesting look forward to part 2 whenever that may be 👍
James: Do you know WHY car companies & others use $2 scissor jacks ? It is because there are none of the $1 jacks left ! I love the drill being used to operate the jack. That lead in means I will enjoy the video. Split rims.......vehicular split rims have been banned in many places. Since the tire is flat there is no danger. Inflating the tire is another story. Your videos are excellent. Cheers! from Alberta
Glad I’m home from work today and have time to watch this!
It's definitely a two-parter for me
You will never guess what I find with this one.
@@jcondon1 too bad we have to waste hours and $ just to find out it’s crap!
@@KensSmallEngineRepair well said.
Not a waste, still a learning experience.
An interesting and educational journey. Sorry there was no gold at the end of the rainbow.. As you noted there are enough good parts plus the ability to return some for a refund that you'll be OK and maybe even make a few bucks, I sure hope so. Thanks for bringing us along.