Metric vs Imperial measurements
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- In this episode we weigh in on Ounces and milliliters and ask you
all to weigh in on how you want them to appear on the end screens. Can't wait to hear your responses!
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Hands down. 1 oz = 30ml
3/4 = 22.5 ml
1/2 = 15 ml
1/4 = 7.5 ml
Not even a debate guys!!
Failing this just don’t mention ml.
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Indeed, but how do you measure this with a ml jigger? They do not have these measurements on it. They are either a multiple of 10 or 25.
A standard UK spirit pour is 25mL whilst it is 30mL in Australia (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong Lee!). The majority of cocktail books are from the US too so everything is in ounces - it would be much easier to use a 15/30 or 30/60mL jigger Blackimp88 and you can easily convert the measurements...
Steve the Bartender 100% correct Steve. What’s seals the deal for me on this is Simon Diffords guide. Simon is one of the worlds leading experts on cocktails. His online guide allows you to choose oz or ml and yes 3/4 converts to 22.5 ml. Take a look, it’s a great site.
www.diffordsguide.com/cocktails
Ps. Good to see you back Steve. New videos are a bit ‘bright’ !!
Here’s the link to OXO measuring set if anyone is interested.
OXO Good Grips Mini Measuring Beaker Set - 4-Piece www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00B2NQKM6/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_c_api_3cAWBb9BAV1V0
Definitely keep the proper measure
I.e. 0.25oz = 7.5ml
0.5oz = 15ml
0.75oz = 22.5ml etc.
but even that is not the exact conversion as .25oz = 7.39 or 7.4ml
@@dylanchadderton1 It's sort of a given, at least in the states, that one ounce equals 30ml. Yes, it's a rounding error but it's such a small difference that we're talking about 3ml per 8oz. That difference coupled with the meniscus, differences in individual's jiggers and precision with which they pour that the differences evaporate in a finished cocktail.
Rounded for sure... in Australia we round everything (7.5, 15, 22.5, 30, 45, 60). The amount rounded up is so miniscule that no one would taste the difference. For example, rounding a 1/4oz up by 0.2mL to make it 15mL is only 4 drops...
Also...
1. any normal person won't notice the difference in flavour from 4 drops
2. every ingredient is rounded up so therefore the drink will still be balanced it just means you might have an extra mL or 2 in your glass
3. there is more variance when measuring each ingredient anyways, no one can measure that precise EVERY time
>any normal person won't notice...
That's where you're wrong! We're on the internet and nobody here is a normal person. This is a place of absurdly strong opinions based on nothing! LOL
@@Mister_Phafanapolis Love this! lol None of us are "normal" or we wouldn't be going down this rabbit hole would we? Cheers 😉
Hi Leandro thanks for even considering this all! Go with the rounded numbers and let's keep it simple! I'm from Germany and managed your great recipes with my millimeter jigger so please continue with your awesome videos!
Stick with the rounded measurements, as most jiggers use them that way. Plus if you start putting the exact mm measures your site will start to look incredibly nerdy and no bloody fun!
And in the UK most pubs and bars only sell spirits in multiples of 25 ml anyway, so decent cocktails are few and far between when drinking out. I only get decent cocktails when I make them at home, and use an ounce jigger anyway!
I think using rounded numbers is the way to go, since proportions are what really matters in a recipe (within reason, of course). So converting a 2oz - 1oz recipe to 60ml - 30ml is much more practical, than fiddling with such odd numbers.
i would much prefer the actual measurements in ml as it helps people like me who only have equipment with only the metric measurements!
It's been five years I'm bartending. You answer every question I have. I just love your content. THANK YOU!
Thanks for the support!
The best thing to do would be to scrap saying the MLs in the video and just add the correct measurements in post so those who want it can read it on the screen.
Yup best way to do it.
The proper measurement. Because It wouldnt make sense that a 1/4 of an ounce could mean both 5ml and 10ml. Its a 100% difference. 1/4 of an ounce should always mean 7.5 ml
I started out with ml since I'm from Germany. I realized that most recipes are in oz and converting them was always a hazzle. How can I even measure 22,5ml when a ml jigger always has measurements 10, 20, 30 and 40ml? It's impossible to get correct measurements with this. So I decided to stop converting and bought an oz jigger. Now, when I get a European recipe I use my ml jigger, because the measurements there are most of the time different then the oz recipes. You see a lot of 50ml spirit to 20ml Liquer measurements etc. Most of the time though, I use my oz jigger and I can only recommend to everyone to have both on hands!
Brother, I got no steady hands so I'm alright with those round-up measurements.
Keep the 30ml=1oz ratio it makes it easy to understand and consistent. It also helps when using speed pourer w/o a jigger cause you’ll know a 2 count is a 1/2 oz or 15ml and an 8 count is 2 0z of 60 ml.
Ounces are a measurement for mass, while milliliters are a measurement for volume. Since alcohol is less dense than water (about 21% less for pure alcohol), an ounce of gin would have a greater volume than an ounce of wine. It gets more complicated if you consider sugar content, which increases density. (Which is why I prefer milliliters in general since it's technically more correct).
But to answer your question: Given these discrepencies, I don't think the small rounding difference changes a whole lot, I'm okay if you use 30 ml to an oz. I usually do when adopting american recipes. ^^
Wait, there's a bit of misconceptions here.
Ounces are indeed a measurement for mass, but when we talk about bartending we are talking about fluid ounces, omitting to say "fluid".
So, as a measurement for volum
An english fl. Oz. is 28.41306 ml
An american fl . Oz. is 29.57353 ml
But for nutrition labeling a US regulation define a fl.oz. as exactly 30 ml.
I hope this clarify a bit ( and forgive me if my English is not perfect )
Francesco beat me to it. He’s absolutely correct.
I use metric system and the following equivalents:
3/4 oz = 22.5 ml
0.5 oz = 15 ml
1 oz = 30 ml
1.5 oz = 45 ml
2 oz = 60 ml
This worked perfectly for Daiquiri, Whiskey/Amaretto Sour, Espresso Martini, French 75, Sidecar and many more.
Having said that I use 2 jiggers with following volumes 25/50 ml & 15/30 ml. The only problem I have is measuring out 22.5 ml (3/4 oz), but I usually go with nearly topped 25 ml jigger.
I also weighed the amount of fluid that they carry, as jiggers vary depending on manufacturer.
I hope this helps.
There is little point in exact oz to ml conversion to half an ml after the decimal point when the measuring jigger is divided in 10ml steps. I comment you for realising that the world outside the USA has adopted the metric system. So you could say 3/4 oz is approximately 20ml, the closest measure, or just a little over 20ml. 1/4 oz is a little under 10ml, 1/2oz is 15 ml and 1oz 30ml. Hope this helps.
For the love of all things holy, don’t switch to exact milliliter measurements.
Being able to interchange between Imperial and Metric measurements is not only easy, but a skill I feel all proper bartenders should have. I’m an American working in Australia as a bartender, and interchanging between measurements is pretty much second nature at this point.
Plus, those minute differences between measurements are so minuscule that’s they’re hardly worth mentioning. Use proper technique and taste as you go, there’s no substitute for that; not even dead-accurate jiggers.
Since nobody using the metric system is going to use like .5 milliliters or even like 22 ml, please use the rounded measurements. Here in Europe, we're using like 10, 15, 20, 30 ml and so on for our drinks.
I'm Australian so mls all the way, however It's more so necessary for balance to go by actual conversion rate when preparing an American made cocktail
@@Solitude_7 I don't get what you're saying. If everything is rounded the same way, then the ratios will still turn out the same, too.
@@Solitude_7 I don't get what you're saying. If everything is rounded the same way, then the ratios will still turn out the same, too.
@@bim41337 They aren't rounded the same way though. Some are rounded down and some up. 3/4 oz is rounded down from 22.2mL to 20mL and 2 Oz is rounded up from 59.1 ml to 60ml. So if you made a Bee's Knees (2oz gin, 3/4 each lemon juice and honey syrup) using the rounded figures and a metric jigger, the end drink would be slightly stronger than the US ingredients technically call for, since you'd have about 1ml more gin and about 0.4mL less syrup and lemon juice.
For most of these rounded figures, I would consider using the rounded numbers for all but the 1/4 oz, where the rounding effect (if changing 1/4 oz to 5ml) changes the amount by 38%.
Rounding error on 1/2oz to 15mL = 1.3%
Rounding error on 3/4oz to 20mL = 10.4%
Rounding error on 1oz to 30mL = 1.3%
Rounding error on 2oz to 60mL = 1.5%
I think the 1/4 oz should be converted to 7.5mL. The 3/4oz could arguably go to 22mL since a lot of cocktails call for two 3/4oz measures of a zero ABV ingredient (lime juice and simple syrup, for example), and you'd end up with 4mL less of your nonliquor ingredient. In a Bee's Knees you'd have a ratio of 1.3:1 gin becoming 1.5:1 if someone poured 60ml gin and 20+20 lemon/honey syrup.
I feel using the rounded numbers is fine. This will more clearly show the ratios of the different ingredients which is what’s most important in the end.
When I follow recipes in oz I base myself on the ratios anyway because my jiggers are all 50/25 ml (so I take 1 oz to be 25 ml rather than 29.57 ml which is difficult to measure using a 50/25 ml jigger). This maintains the ratios of the ingredients but the total volume is of course less than the oz recipe. I just can’t seem to find a oz jigger here in Belgium - at least not without paying 30 euros in shipping costs from ordering overseas.
I'm an American so I just prefer ounces, but I think the most important thing is to maintain the ratios. Like a my Manhattan is 8:3 (2 oz, ¾ oz), so the metric should be 60 ml, 22.5 ml or 64 ml, 24 ml.
I definitely see the problem.
Well, I make coctails at home, I'm not a bardender - just so you know.
I can do with 7,5 ml, 15 ml, 22,5 ml, and 30 ml for 1/4 oz, 1/2 oz, 3/4 oz, and 1 oz. The differences between these approximations and the real ml conversions aren't big.
Even 7/8 oz can be 25 ml rather painlessly.
The 1/8 oz, 5/8 oz and 3/8 oz are a pain, though. because the difference is more than a ml but, on the other hand, measuring out 4 ml, 11 ml or 18,5 ml would be slightly difficult.
However, since the question is your jigger measurements vs actual ml, I think i'd prefer the actual ml. The 5 ml vs 7,5 ml does make a difference.
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Correct mm measurement is best. The more precise the better.
Actual measurements. My jiggers are all in ml, since we use the metric system here in Brazil. Cheers!
I would like to see the actual ml number, because I would like to get as close to the taste and volume of the cocktail as I can. Thank you. Big fan of the channel btw, love all the videos, I try to make all the cocktails. Cheers
Mugen Jaguarjaques awesome love that! Thanks! And will do!
Exact ml, as proportions are what matters and that will be more correct.
Rounded is absolutely acceptable. After all, as long as you are proportional in your units of measure, that’s fine. I’ve noticed that my collection of jiggers are all slightly different. I stopped using all but a nice leopold double bell shaped one. I think it’s more important to be consistent so if I make a drink weeks later for a friend who liked my last offering, it should taste the same.
In addition to my previous comment, most cocktails were invented in America or the Carribbean or outposts of the British Empire, when everything was measured in fluid ounces anyway. And if you live in Europe, just go onto some cheap Chinese website and buy a fluid ounce graduated jigger, they are less then ten Euros!
If you want to be as faithful to the original recipe as possible, that is!
keep it the way you do. as comments below already suggest, the ratio is the most important thing within mixing ingredients together.
Your are a very nice bartender and teacher as well keep making videos on bar and cocktails over all you are the best men
My vote isn't worth much but I would suggest a person attempting to make a drink thusly should possibly get an oz jigger. Rounding is perfectly fine for a video presentation. If this were a book then it might be required to be more accurate. Besides Royalty is best with Imperial numbers.
You can't make everyone happy. I say keep it in ounces. If someone uses another form of measurement, they can convert to their liking. Less work for you and you don't get caught up in dealing with rounding or no rounding.
If I'm reading a recipe and it's in ml, I convert it myself. Then I decide how to round if I need to.
Essentially all recipes are ratio driven so even if you were only giving the recipes in mils I should be able to roughly within reason convert to ozs and vice versa. I'd give the the recipe side by side at the end in both. The Prep is the same. If you're asking about the shot glass itself, well thats for the Europeans to decide and if you feel its worth it.
Rounded. Are there even jiggers With 22,5? 7,5? Haven’t seen any. It goes to 20 then I’d have to estimate a bit over the line.
I love both, Leandro. But, I do agree with Mr. Clarke.
I'd like you to stick either with the measurements in ounces or the accurate metric measurement such as 22.5 ml for 3/4 oz. Cheers!
Kinda depend....do you want the rink made correctly or is close enough OK?
The rounded up measurements are probably best, for anyone actually wanting to replicate the cocktails in your videos they probably have equipment for the rounded up measurements, as long as all the measurements are off by the same factor the drink will still come out balanced enough with only a fraction of less liquid
Ounces is fine for me. I live in a metric country and it's easier to measure drinks in ounces (or 'shots') rather than ml - it's easier to count 1 or 2 of something than 30 or 45.
A 'shot' is 30ml here, which is roughly an ounce. Most jiggers here (at least the ones I use) are your typical 2-measurement ones with 30ml on one end and 15ml on the other. I just have to eyeball 3/4 shots.
I’m American, but my Spanish bartender cousin says to keep it precise (well, to the nearest 0.5 ml). If she sees 7.5 ml but has a 10 ml jigger, she’ll know to short it. Otherwise she’ll wonder if “10 ml” means 7.5 or 12.5 ml every time.
Put the oz and rounded ml. If anyone decides to get precise for whatever reason, he can do it by doing the conversion online or with the use of simple math. You can use the symbol approximately equal ≈
1 WINE GLASS IS EQUAL TO 2 fl. oz. ?
am i right... sir?
1 ml water contains 17 minimis?
Thank you very much
Fellow Americans bartender here. Some recipes I've seen you use are pretty precise and they would benefit from actual measurements. That being said, it would be difficult to make a drink with 7.5mL or whatever...
I definitely think you should put the proper measurements! I watch every of your videos and as an European guy, it would be much more convenient for me!
Keep up the good work, I love what you are doing here !
Keep the rounded measurements. The error doesn't scale that badly and worse case you end up with a cocktail that's slightly smaller or larger. I'm not that pedantic for a few ml
I wouln't even bother with the ml. at all, we use the metric system in my country for everything but when it comes to making cocktails, oz. are the way to go. just my opinion. Great channel btw, keep up the good work.
if there's a specific case for a cocktail where exact measurements are very important , then use exact ml in that case, but otherwise stick to rounded.. it just gets messy otherwise.. how are u supposed to measure up 22.5 ml anyway?
Agree on actual measures but does not have to be too complicated. Tell the oz and write the mls in description or text. My jigger does not have a scale but one side is 30ml or 1oz other 60ml or 2oz.
I would want it to be whatever is more accurate to the original, so it depends if the original recipe is in ml or oz. My jigger has ml, oz , tbs, tsp.
I'd rather you did rounded millilitres, or even skip both and go for the 'parts' measurement. Let's be honest, it's all about proportions, bar the usual dash/splash, going by the parts simplifies everything and allows easier translation to non-traditional cocktail volumes, which many of us are (I suppose) probably used to, seeing as home bartending isn't as strict as when we're working the bar and have to do it according to the recipes for the inventory's sake. In my experience it also enables easier experimentation rather than having to calculate proper volumes on the fly, once you get used to it.
Please use OZ in your mixing. Thank You for a great job.
Use both ounces and (correct) milliliters.
I think sticking with ounces is best IMHO. Do metric countries use ml for cocktails? I always assumed the jigger was a universal tool. I'll have to ask around this weekend with my Chicago barkeeps
We use ml and cl (in some places of for bigger kind of drinks) or a mix of the two, I actually never seen a jigger in ounces and I have quite a number of jiggers. And its actually a pain in the ass reading any sources from the USA, ounces and other weird mesures, volume mesures for solid etc. This whole video kind of surprise me because it asume that the mesure that is rounded is the ml while in reality the ounces might be the one rounded. I mean this jigger is probably made in china and its a metric country chances are they made a metric jigger and put ounces on it to apeal USA customers. If it was made in the USA it wouldn't have ml on it, like most mesures made in the USA.
I vote for using rounded measurements, but maybe not the ones on that jigger because honestly, they make no sense. 22.5 makes way more sense rounded up to 23, not down to 20. Stuff like that. The 14.7 whatever is great rounded up to 15, however.
Use the rounded numbers, as most jiggers in ml com with 10, 15, 20 or 25, 30 or 35, 40 and 60 ml markings. To use the accurate conversion would only make the recipe more of a hassle to work with. If anything you could call recipes originally made with oz jiggers "imperial recipes" and recipes originally made with ml jiggers "metric recipes".
As it is!
Despite living in a metricised country, ie. not America or Myanmar(Burma?) I bought imperial jiggers simply because most of the resources I use are American.
Proper mesures, absolutely
The balance in a cocktail come from the ratio between the various ingredients, so I don't mind if you use fl .oz. or ml, even tho I don't understand why English people have to use a fancy measurement system
Ounce is so much easier. smaller numbers to work with 1ounce compared to 29.5ml. for the small volumes used in drinks it just simpler
I use 15ml or 60ml or 1.5 = 45ml, please i want to be more educative on this some time i get confused. Boss. Well done job i like your teaching
Since my jigger uses imperial measurements this is only a question for me when I can't find my jigger or are at a friend's house. No one here uses a voll pipette to measure their drinks so it wouldn't be very useful to write one fluid ounce as 29.6 millilitres. When I can't find my jigger or are at a friend's house I use tablespoons and teaspoons to measure and therefore it would be more useful to just write one ounce as 30 millilitres and half an ounce as 15 millilitres.
// A huge fan in Sweden
Use the rounded number...up or down.
I'd say leave it rounded, more important to get the ratios right than anything so we can just scale the drinks to whatever we want here in Europe!
I actually choose rounded measurements over the millimeter ones because it simplifies the whole cocktail making
Have got any tables for this mesuramete please
I agree with Indigo Boy
Thanks for this. If you could do ML that’d be awesome.
I would say you should use the actual measurements. On the other hand, i'm assuming that after people have seen this video it would clarify that it is a rounded measurement, not to mention that most bartenders (home or pro) would probably know this (or should).
Rounding it out works for me.
I think if the problem is the measuring system, you can do in oz and some type on video milimeters for other persons in other country. The system is global but other person stay in the system where they live. South america for example. just an idea.
we show both oz and ml in our videos now
Round it, I think iit's useless to put the full number. The european bartender have jigger with 20/40 ml measurements(most popular) 30/50ml and so on, you can't measure 14.7ml anyway
Actual measurements would be great.
I have no clue about ounces and US measurement system. it's pretty difficult, but man internet is here and it's pretty easy to convert.
i think being exact is not necessary.
I'm from Canada I deal with milliliters and honestly just go with rounded numbers it's easier.
Def rounded measurements; would make no sense to use actual numbers. Cocktails recipes are mostly kinda all about the ratio anyways, and those nice even roundings make more sense in that respect
Actually often measures in cl. 4, 6 and so on...
I actually have a jigger with ounce measurements for when I'm doing recipes from an American bartender like yourself and then I have a ML jigger for when I'm doing recipes from a bartender from anywhere else in the world but the U.S. I suppose if I ran into a Liberian bartender one day I'd use the ounce jigger for that as well. 😉
Long story short, since I have both jiggers in my arsenal it doesn't matter that much to me.
Number 1 fun here from malaysia, a filipino working here as a bartender...
Ml of course
I got the same one off of Amazon
millimeters please ! ;-) And most of all thanks for all the precious advices and "recipies" mate !
Keep the rounded. There is no benefit to using the actual unit. No, the recipe will not be the exact same, but the ratios, and therefore the cocktails, remain the same - ergo it doesn't make a difference aside from making it way more difficult (using actual values)
You could just say whatever feels natural for you, and place the specific measurements of both ml and oz at the end of the video or in the description. In our school, we go Oz.
Simple solution: everyone buy the Barfly graduated jigger.
Definetely actual values to be consistent with the drink recipes
Use the rounded measurements.
Keep going with the rounded measurements. Would only ever use a recipe in multiples of 5(ml) anyway.
Just keep it with the rounded ml! ;) Here is why... It's just simpel. Why go through al the work of putting the actual ml in there. If people really want to know, they can look it up themselves. As a Belgian bartender, we use the rounded ml all the times! So I don't really see the point.
Use graduated cylinders, burettes, pipettes, and all the real lab stuff!
I cant really measure any more specific than 5ml with my jigger anyway so I'm okay with rounded measurements. But it's fine either way honestly.
Rounded
Round it. Putting all the decimals in the video is just a bad idea. Cluttering the picture and it is too much details. If you want you could write the "real" amount in the description for all who wants it.
The precise ml
It's complicated. You can't measure 30 ml with ml jigger. You need to think in parts not in oz or ml. In example if it calls for 1 oz gin and 1/2 oz lime juice. This is not 30 ml gin and 15 ml juice, because you can't measure them easily. This is one part gin and half part lime juice. Lets say 50 ml gin and 25 ml lime juice. Yea, 25 ml is closer to 30, but it's better to use the net single drink measurement for one base part (50 ml), because most ml jiggers are based on it and they have 1/2, 1/3, 2/3 and etc parts of 50 ml. The proportion is right and the taste will be the same. Just a little bit more to drink :) With is OK, because usually the glasses are also produced in ml and if you measure in oz it wan't be filled to the right level. In example if you use 3 oz martini glass for 2:1 martini it's perfect, but in ml world usually you don't have 120 ml martini glass. You have 150 ml. Also the people expectations of the size of the drink are based on net single drink amount, so they expect larger drinks. The dashes are a problem, but you can just add one more extra dash.
Or you can just buy oz jigger even in Europe... My point is that ml measurements are not required at all. Especially if you use rounded.
Hey there.
I think that for viewers who have not watched this disclaiming video and perhaps are "beginners", the rounded measurements can be misleading. :)
Ah grand my man! The ratio stays the same anyways so it‘s grand.
I think you should disregard both metric and imperial systems and invent your own, for accuracy and clarity.
Definitely use the proper equivalent in ml.