Ergo mice can only be SO different, human hands are still hand shaped. It’s not like there’s gonna be an enormous difference of ergo shapes like we’re making them for different animals 😂
But they don’t have to all be EC clones. Thumb rest, hump horizontal positions, hump tilt, groove positions, button slope angle are all things that can make an ergo more unique. Or just do the vaxee approach and take a symm and add ergo aspects to it and it will be a new ergo mouse shapes.
I love the shape of the EC2, but I really love the Pulsar Xlite v3! It's my primary mouse now! Side note: I have used the Death Adder V3 Pro for about 9 months. There's one thing that I really keep on saying to myself: Man, I really wish Razer could make similar dimensions to the EC2, and this is why I was really excited when it came out with the Xlite v3; I didn't hesitate to place a pre-order for the es version, but I do want to try the Xlite V3, but hopefully that mico center will have it soon!
Using the DAV3 atm, but will for sure try out the ES version in Large when that comes. I feel the same way about DAV3, which had a bit more Zowie EC shape.
@@D0WnL0DeR The biggest disappointment I find about the Death Adder V3 Pro is that for $150, you expect the BBQ post to be top-notch, but it gets annoying when it starts creaking like an old bet mattress. Like, do better, razer, smh.
Was waiting so long for this review since I was having a huge dilemma with whichshould I chose as my next cs2/work/othergames mouse. Could not wait any longer and did order zygen np01s actually. Im more then happy with it. Now all is left is to cancel all subscriptions to boardzy, hausgaming and others cause I know me - I would buy them all. I cant. Have to keep my shit together and just don't buy more. Peace hommies, was rly nice to read u ;)
@@boardzyi dont get the point of going driverless in esports. just save settings to on board memory at home then roll up with your mouse. dpi button not being able to have 50 dpi increments is a miss. oled screen makes mouse beavier too
@@WindowsPlaysFPS ok. some ppl on reddit/twitter said the purpose of the screen/driverless is to open a brand new mouse on stage/right before on stage and then adjust settings
Bought the normie version. Loved it. Balled out and got the eS version. Didn't like it as much because of the balance. Went back to the non-eS. It's hard to say for sure because of the weight disparity but I think I prefer the shape of the Xlite over the EC2, as well.
the v2 was my last love. v4 just came out. I got sent the v3 es and the sensor I got was defective so it skipped and the clicks would double click eventually or something like that. the switch to optical without using omrons was Ab bad choice. put some omrons the mouse would be amazing. side buttons are actually some of the best position wise I enjoyed them greatly. the scroll wheel change was very good and I had no issues. the mouse coating was horrendous. I don't know how the viper v3 pro did it but man the most amazing grip on the white variant
For smaller or "normal" handsize this release is kinda meh and too basic. But for extra large hands this is phenomenal since EC1 is only competitive large ergo mouse for us and its heavy as fuck with some older tech aswell. Hoping the large version will be released soon.
I fit pretty firmly into that extra large hands group (9" from palm to finger tip and 5" across the palm. Or 22.86 by 12.7 cm). I have had so much trouble finding a mouse that comfortably fits my hand and isn't a brick, so I'm really excited for this. I've never used any of the zowie shapes (or any ergo mouse other than a gen 1 deathadder and a g502) but I think this might be the move.
im trying to find something to replace the Kone pro air with but i just cant, the shape is too good. I just got my xlite v3 but the hump on it (and most other ergo mice) is just too big
@@ekomsable the only one I’ve liked a lot so far in terms of ergos id the vaxee outset ax wireless so far, the overall size is smaller so it makes that bigger hump not feel as bad. An updated Kone pro air would be nice to have tho
I just bought the Deathadder V3 and I'm not in love with the shape. I'm a palm guy and I feel like the right side of the mouse needs to be flatter and higher. I'm trying to decide do I go with the Zowie, Pulsar or Lamzu event though they are all close in comparison as your review states. Would love to have all them to review for myself :)
2 days and 2 boardzy upload in a row with that La Onda Glaze appearing (i can't stop looking at it, REVIEW WHEN ? pls). Also 8:27 X-Raypad Obsidian Pro ? (and yeah that's a lot of dots on just one mice LMAO).
I dont notice the standard coating feeling being better performance wise but it definitely picks up less sweat/oils. The ES coating doesnt have enough rubbery feeling/grip like the OP1we to justify the aesthetic downgrade imo
Hello bro i know u are the best out there i could opinion from - Please choose between ( huntsman mini analog vs huntsman V2 analog tkl ) please! for playing valorant ps-i dont have wooting budget.
Hey Boardzy Loved the Vid. I was just wondering if you have any recommendations for mice similar to the roccat kone pure ultra shape. I have 17x9.5cm hands and am not sure what ergos would be good for me. My fingers are clawed up but I do have palm contact.
Hey should I get the pulsar x2v2 mini? I’ve been hearing good things and bad things and was wondering if it was a worthy purchase for games like fortnite, valorant etc
eS editon seems so gimmicky to me. No E-Sport Player needs to adjust settings on the fly. You just set one and go with it. Instead of this stupid screen i was hoping for a super solid and super reinforced aka reliable version.
Im one of those few people, hoping Corsair might actually come out with a competitive option. Would you have any interest in checking out some of their newer options like the M75 Air? 60g wireless mouse with a new shape (for them)
I bought quite a few Corair products i wouldn't recommend them to anyone not that they are horrible performance wise but atrocious build quality i had two wireless headset they both just broke down after not so much use
@Ziiiko You know. I snagged the Katar Elite on sale for dirt cheap, and I don't regret it. Everyone says they're shit and to be fair I'm sure its not a top tier option by any means but I think its decent. At 68g its not the lightest egg on the market, but it doesn't bother me. I actually prefer the shape over my old Orochi v2 and I haven't had any issues with the wireless yet.
My only gripe about the xlite v2 was the side buttoning position and difficulty to actuate them. Seems like they made em lighter but to have the high awkward side buttons is a deal breaker for me personally 😢
If I got either one of these mice, would my hand size fit ? 19x10cm hands and I’ve been on my zowie s2 for almost 4 years until recently I got the viper V2 Pro and it’s been a good fit but these mice look so fucking good and so clean too. I love the look, shape, and the little screen too. Would it fit my hands ?
ATTENTION: IF YOU'RE PLANNING TO BUY THE XLITE V3 eS-VERSION ATM..DONT! BUT HEAR ME OUT.. A LOT OF PEOPLE IS EXPERIENCING THAT IT WILL NOT CHARGE INCL. ME! BUT THERE WILL BE A FIRMWARE UPDATE IN THE "NEAR" FUTURE MAYBE END OF FEBUARY.... SO WAIT UNTIL THEY FIX IT. EDIT: THE REGULAR V3 (NON ES) DO NOT HAVE THIS ISSUE ONLY ES!
hi~can u try v3es Press the left and right buttons at the same time and then press the middle button of the scroll wheel. Will the middle button of the scroll wheel have no response?
Suggestion: Add an esthetic section to your review. Like the aluminum scroll wheel and screen might not be that big of a deal BUT they look cool and different lol Subjective but important.
@@wahidtrynaheghugh260 To create a debate, big guy. An esthetic section would generate more engagement as people would discuss it in the comments, which would be interesting for me. Most people buy things for the way they look. There are industries entirely driven by looks and opinions (perceived value), like sneakers. I was giving Boardzy a section idea, not asking him for his opinion on what I should get based on looks, lol
Lamzu Thorn or GPX Superlight 2 for 18x10 hand and a relaxed claw/palm grip + a 1-3-1 grip (middle finger always on mouse wheel and ring finger on right mouse button)?
These things are so subjective. You say the clicks are horrible, another RUclipsr says they’re among the best they’ve tried. It has zero value to me, and I cringe when thinking of how many take these videos as gospel more or less. My favorite mouse after being through about ten (including the DAv3 Pro an other “big names”) is one you rated as “trash”. So glad I didn’t listen to you 😄 I like the videos themselves though, I only take most of the contents/views in them with a significant pinch of salt
Lamzu Thorn is far better. I got 21x11cm size hands and play with Val in immo 3. God tier shape for me and top notch tech, great skates, very nice clicks, truly my end game mouse.
I refuse to buy any mouse with optical switches, just don't like the way that they feel or sound. I actually bought a 2nd copy of the Xlite v2 with the huano blue shell pink dot switches.
There are definitely tiers to opticals. The implementation in the X2v2 feels incredible and light to actuate but these are definitely more middle of the road
I just spent 10 minutes trying to figure out what that acronym meant. I would say its worth considering if youre looking for something much smaller and lighter, stacks up better with the v3 mini
I'm still waiting for mine to arrive. I understand you dont like the shape especially cuz you fingertip main. But I love the subjective take. Why I watch your vids is because I hate hearing the same generic reviews over and over. Just saying the mouse is good, and listing specs is restarted.
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I really don't understand why logitech don't release a ergo version of the g pro x it would sell like fresh bread
This age nice
Dis aged niiiiiiiiiiice BWAH!
Ergo mice can only be SO different, human hands are still hand shaped. It’s not like there’s gonna be an enormous difference of ergo shapes like we’re making them for different animals 😂
Very good point. 🍻
But they don’t have to all be EC clones. Thumb rest, hump horizontal positions, hump tilt, groove positions, button slope angle are all things that can make an ergo more unique. Or just do the vaxee approach and take a symm and add ergo aspects to it and it will be a new ergo mouse shapes.
I'm a chimpanzee and I'm still waiting for an ergo mouse for my chimp hands.
I love the shape of the EC2, but I really love the Pulsar Xlite v3! It's my primary mouse now! Side note: I have used the Death Adder V3 Pro for about 9 months. There's one thing that I really keep on saying to myself: Man, I really wish Razer could make similar dimensions to the EC2, and this is why I was really excited when it came out with the Xlite v3; I didn't hesitate to place a pre-order for the es version, but I do want to try the Xlite V3, but hopefully that mico center will have it soon!
Using the DAV3 atm, but will for sure try out the ES version in Large when that comes. I feel the same way about DAV3, which had a bit more Zowie EC shape.
@@D0WnL0DeR The biggest disappointment I find about the Death Adder V3 Pro is that for $150, you expect the BBQ post to be top-notch, but it gets annoying when it starts creaking like an old bet mattress. Like, do better, razer, smh.
YNWA! I wanna get the Xlite V3 but shipping is $16. I can't find it outside of their main website
@@DejaJaws That is where I ordered the lite V3 ES from the main website, and it goes here fast as f@@k YNWA.
@mike220111 So did you get it already? how do you like it vs DAV3? I am on the verge of buying DAV3 but now I am in doubt
We live in the Golden Mice Era.
(My wallet lives in the Great Depression)
I loved the concept of the eS waiting for the smaller version to accommodate my fingertip/claw style
I'd get the regular version of this and the Es version of the X2H coming out. Really like that mouse.
I'd like to see more Ambi's hit the market and compete against the GPX stagnation.
Was waiting so long for this review since I was having a huge dilemma with whichshould I chose as my next cs2/work/othergames mouse. Could not wait any longer and did order zygen np01s actually. Im more then happy with it. Now all is left is to cancel all subscriptions to boardzy, hausgaming and others cause I know me - I would buy them all. I cant. Have to keep my shit together and just don't buy more. Peace hommies, was rly nice to read u ;)
Wow, this Pad you are testing on is amazing. :O
I wonder if they will come out with more ES versions than the X2A and X2H. Would kill to have a X2 Mini ES
It’s confirmed that they will
@@boardzyNice.
@@boardzy awesomesauce
You can go to the website and it’ll show you the eS versions
X2H mini is awesome... Almost wish I waited for the ES edition.
The most shocking no feature is it not being able to use the software for sure.
Yeah it’s a driverless mouse so I guess they committed to that
@@boardzyi dont get the point of going driverless in esports. just save settings to on board memory at home then roll up with your mouse. dpi button not being able to have 50 dpi increments is a miss. oled screen makes mouse beavier too
@@ACE112ACE112lots of places don’t allow you to bring new gear
@@WindowsPlaysFPS ok. some ppl on reddit/twitter said the purpose of the screen/driverless is to open a brand new mouse on stage/right before on stage and then adjust settings
@@ACE112ACE112 yes that’s exactly the reason. Because you can’t just bring a mouse from home. That’s fishy
"The Black Plague" 😂 I love Boardzy
Bought the normie version. Loved it. Balled out and got the eS version. Didn't like it as much because of the balance. Went back to the non-eS. It's hard to say for sure because of the weight disparity but I think I prefer the shape of the Xlite over the EC2, as well.
Might be the move, upgrading from my HyperX Pulsefire Dart wireless (112g chungus)
Wow! Amazing mouse! What is that mousepad tho?
It's La Onda's Glaze, pretty sure it hasn't officially released yet. It's supposedly a very control-oriented glasspad
Yeah its the glaze glass mousepad from the whale
@@boardzy review incoming?
is youtube or boardzy deleting my comments? pls dont support the whale.
boardzy forgets about the stormbreaker again (shocking)
the v2 was my last love. v4 just came out. I got sent the v3 es and the sensor I got was defective so it skipped and the clicks would double click eventually or something like that. the switch to optical without using omrons was Ab bad choice. put some omrons the mouse would be amazing. side buttons are actually some of the best position wise I enjoyed them greatly. the scroll wheel change was very good and I had no issues. the mouse coating was horrendous. I don't know how the viper v3 pro did it but man the most amazing grip on the white variant
shocking LED panel
Best ergo is old cheese grater xlite bc you can cut it pretty easy and get true ftip 40g mouse with some curves.
For smaller or "normal" handsize this release is kinda meh and too basic. But for extra large hands this is phenomenal since EC1 is only competitive large ergo mouse for us and its heavy as fuck with some older tech aswell. Hoping the large version will be released soon.
I fit pretty firmly into that extra large hands group (9" from palm to finger tip and 5" across the palm. Or 22.86 by 12.7 cm). I have had so much trouble finding a mouse that comfortably fits my hand and isn't a brick, so I'm really excited for this. I've never used any of the zowie shapes (or any ergo mouse other than a gen 1 deathadder and a g502) but I think this might be the move.
Wish they would revamp the Kone pro air to something more performance, still my fav ergo shape
Roccat is trolling at this point
im trying to find something to replace the Kone pro air with but i just cant, the shape is too good. I just got my xlite v3 but the hump on it (and most other ergo mice) is just too big
@@ekomsable the only one I’ve liked a lot so far in terms of ergos id the vaxee outset ax wireless so far, the overall size is smaller so it makes that bigger hump not feel as bad. An updated Kone pro air would be nice to have tho
Well honestly I was considering the Xlite v3, but since I hated the EC2w, I'm gonna skip it
I just bought the Deathadder V3 and I'm not in love with the shape. I'm a palm guy and I feel like the right side of the mouse needs to be flatter and higher. I'm trying to decide do I go with the Zowie, Pulsar or Lamzu event though they are all close in comparison as your review states. Would love to have all them to review for myself :)
2 days and 2 boardzy upload in a row with that La Onda Glaze appearing (i can't stop looking at it, REVIEW WHEN ? pls).
Also 8:27 X-Raypad Obsidian Pro ? (and yeah that's a lot of dots on just one mice LMAO).
Yeah those are the obsidians. Glaze review wont be for around 2 weeks prob, I wanna get solid time on all of whales pads
@@boardzy Noice
Just got this mouse for 75 USD on an open box sale from a local distributor here in the PH, I hope this would fit my hand better than my Model D
So, do you like it?
Model D is such an amazing shape I am really stuck between v3 and the model d 2 pro
i have heard like 2 people say that the standard xlite v3 has better coating for sweatier hands compared to the ES, do u agree with that?
I dont notice the standard coating feeling being better performance wise but it definitely picks up less sweat/oils. The ES coating doesnt have enough rubbery feeling/grip like the OP1we to justify the aesthetic downgrade imo
Okay sounds good thanks for the answer :D@@boardzy
Hello bro i know u are the best out there i could opinion from - Please choose between ( huntsman mini analog vs huntsman V2 analog tkl ) please! for playing valorant ps-i dont have wooting budget.
seems to be some variation with the xlite's opticals, i cant tell any difference in actuation force between my xlite v3 base and ec2-c
Hey Boardzy Loved the Vid. I was just wondering if you have any recommendations for mice similar to the roccat kone pure ultra shape. I have 17x9.5cm hands and am not sure what ergos would be good for me. My fingers are clawed up but I do have palm contact.
There is truly nothing similar, but its rumored they have a wireless version coming soonish
Shocking
really wish that scroll wheel was notchy
Hey should I get the pulsar x2v2 mini? I’ve been hearing good things and bad things and was wondering if it was a worthy purchase for games like fortnite, valorant etc
eS editon seems so gimmicky to me. No E-Sport Player needs to adjust settings on the fly. You just set one and go with it. Instead of this stupid screen i was hoping for a super solid and super reinforced aka reliable version.
Im one of those few people, hoping Corsair might actually come out with a competitive option. Would you have any interest in checking out some of their newer options like the M75 Air? 60g wireless mouse with a new shape (for them)
I bought quite a few Corair products i wouldn't recommend them to anyone not that they are horrible performance wise but atrocious build quality i had two wireless headset they both just broke down after not so much use
@Ziiiko You know. I snagged the Katar Elite on sale for dirt cheap, and I don't regret it. Everyone says they're shit and to be fair I'm sure its not a top tier option by any means but I think its decent. At 68g its not the lightest egg on the market, but it doesn't bother me. I actually prefer the shape over my old Orochi v2 and I haven't had any issues with the wireless yet.
nice vid
As an ergo user coming from the ec2-cw (felt off for some reason) would you recommend the xlite v3 es over the standard xlite v3?
Unless youre looking for a lighter mouse yeah, I think the es is much closer to zowie feeling
are the clicks better on the DAV3?
Did you do the V3 Mini yet? If not could u do one
what's the best ec3-c clone? this xlite v3 is too big and the mini version will release in q1 2024. ergo market is kinda stalling tbh
I feel like the clicks are to sensitive at 0 latency. thorn Lamzu didn’t fired two in average gun fire
Which one would be a better choice coming from a Viper. EC2, V3, V3 ES
Is a scratchy ish feeling left click normal for the eS edition?
My only gripe about the xlite v2 was the side buttoning position and difficulty to actuate them. Seems like they made em lighter but to have the high awkward side buttons is a deal breaker for me personally 😢
Does clicks on xlite v3 feel better than the Bruce Lee edition of the X2?
When will Zowie make a super light mouse like the competition??
Given their track records at least 8 years.
I dont think they plan to/care to
The same day they stop making 1080p TN monitors
hows the hump comapared to the deathadder since i want the mouse to feel snug in my hand ? also is there an X3 large coming ?
If I got either one of these mice, would my hand size fit ? 19x10cm hands and I’ve been on my zowie s2 for almost 4 years until recently I got the viper V2 Pro and it’s been a good fit but these mice look so fucking good and so clean too. I love the look, shape, and the little screen too. Would it fit my hands ?
do you have any rattle when you shaking the mouse left and right or up and down?
i wonder if there is a
V3 mini coming aswell
there will be a smaller and larger size of this soon
Which mouse is better for claw grip 19×10 cm hand ✋️ in general, not just ergo ?
the camera constantly refocusing is annoying af
ATTENTION:
IF YOU'RE PLANNING TO BUY THE XLITE V3 eS-VERSION ATM..DONT! BUT HEAR ME OUT.. A LOT OF PEOPLE IS EXPERIENCING THAT IT WILL NOT CHARGE INCL. ME!
BUT THERE WILL BE A FIRMWARE UPDATE IN THE "NEAR" FUTURE MAYBE END OF FEBUARY.... SO WAIT UNTIL THEY FIX IT.
EDIT: THE REGULAR V3 (NON ES) DO NOT HAVE THIS ISSUE ONLY ES!
That’s pretty bad, haven’t heard about it before
@@boardzy A lot of reddit users + discord users has complained about it incl. me :)
How do the clicks and side buttons on the xlite v3 eS compare with the dav3 pro?
PLEASE DO MOUSE TIER LIST
Early 2024 I will do an updated list
Wtf were those black dot skates?
How does the Xlite V3 compare to the Outset AX for CS and relaxed claw grip? Same hand size as you
Cant mate AX just to good but the 4k support Vaxee still cant handle it
will you review mm712 pro when it releases?
also mousepad tierlist?
How do you setup the dpi to 600?
the es one
I know you aren’t an ergo guy so feel free to ship me this one brotha. I’ll cover the cost.
hi~can u try v3es Press the left and right buttons at the same time and then press the middle button of the scroll wheel. Will the middle button of the scroll wheel have no response?
Suggestion: Add an esthetic section to your review. Like the aluminum scroll wheel and screen might not be that big of a deal BUT they look cool and different lol Subjective but important.
I feel like that is for the viewers to observe and care about
Why do you need someone to tell you how to feel about the looks? You have eyes and a brain with your own opinions.
@@wahidtrynaheghugh260 To create a debate, big guy. An esthetic section would generate more engagement as people would discuss it in the comments, which would be interesting for me. Most people buy things for the way they look. There are industries entirely driven by looks and opinions (perceived value), like sneakers. I was giving Boardzy a section idea, not asking him for his opinion on what I should get based on looks, lol
Lamzu Thorn or GPX Superlight 2 for 18x10 hand and a relaxed claw/palm grip + a 1-3-1 grip (middle finger always on mouse wheel and ring finger on right mouse button)?
neither
could we get a comparison between the xlite v3 es vs the superlight 2?
are the clicks heavier than the thorn?
Yes, the thorn has pretty light clicks tbh
5:20 plastic water bottles spotted
You forgot OGM Pro
These things are so subjective. You say the clicks are horrible, another RUclipsr says they’re among the best they’ve tried. It has zero value to me, and I cringe when thinking of how many take these videos as gospel more or less. My favorite mouse after being through about ten (including the DAv3 Pro an other “big names”) is one you rated as “trash”. So glad I didn’t listen to you 😄 I like the videos themselves though, I only take most of the contents/views in them with a significant pinch of salt
Shut up man good god
Did you find a way of setting the DPI to 2000? I asked Pulsar the day I received my V3 eS.....still no answer.
I dont think its possible but someone can correct me if Im wrong
That's super disappointing :( ....premium features like setting your DPI in the V3 but not the eS @@boardzy
Lamzu Thorn is far better. I got 21x11cm size hands and play with Val in immo 3. God tier shape for me and top notch tech, great skates, very nice clicks, truly my end game mouse.
but how? its small af
Completely different mice, with completely different shapes and sizes lol....
I'm shocked
first
holy giga balls kudos
@@MarioWizzz😂
Where can i get that octopus plushie
I got it in Japan at a store outside Kobe hope this helps
@@boardzy thanks chief, if there's a brand name I'd appreciate that
It’s like saying runnng shoes all have the same similar shape and are a dead market.
Good point.
All this shockery mustn't be good for my wellbeing
Am I misunderstanding it or does the base xlite v3 only allow 1000hz? Tech specs also say 1000? Maybe someone can help, thx
you need the 4k dongle to use 2-4k on the v3. the base pulsar mice all come with a 1k dongle
@@Brankokovac Alright thank you, appreciate it
Just get smaller hands bro
I refuse to buy any mouse with optical switches, just don't like the way that they feel or sound. I actually bought a 2nd copy of the Xlite v2 with the huano blue shell pink dot switches.
Optical switches better, lower latency
There are definitely tiers to opticals. The implementation in the X2v2 feels incredible and light to actuate but these are definitely more middle of the road
The optical switches they had on the Bruce Lee edition feel so much better than the ones they are using now.
Weimann Gardens
130$ for 65g mouse, skip
whats the fastest glass pad you've tried?
The skypad is the fastest glass pad imo
yea but have you tried the pulsar superglide and Qpad?@@silly1281
what mousepad is that in the vid?
I know this is a reach but I Iost my xlite v2 dongle. Anyone here got a spare one?
Lmao message pulsar about it man
HMMM X2V2 OR X3 NORMAL....
Comes down to gripstyle. For fingertip or if you prefer smaller feeling ambis for claw def the X2v2
@@boardzy palmgrip would you recommand v3 then? ty boardzy
@@neeezyyyes
this seal has turned into seal of Clown. ofc u will give it to the company that pays you. Paid actor, u became on of "them"
psb is also an ec clone lol got forgotten again
I just spent 10 minutes trying to figure out what that acronym meant. I would say its worth considering if youre looking for something much smaller and lighter, stacks up better with the v3 mini
@@boardzy lol hahaha I’ll make sure to include the full name next time
so no way to get 1k dpi. that sucks, regular version is probably better. the screen is dumb
1k dpi truther
@@boardzy BASED
what a boring mouse
And i see you left a boring comment to match it
I'm still waiting for mine to arrive. I understand you dont like the shape especially cuz you fingertip main. But I love the subjective take. Why I watch your vids is because I hate hearing the same generic reviews over and over. Just saying the mouse is good, and listing specs is restarted.