I'm late in seeing this, so you might not see these questions. When looking at the side vertical zipper pouches on the pack, do they press inward or outward on the main area of the pack? Do the side top access pouches interfere with the "bottle holders" on the sides or are they big enough to get something into with those filled? Do you still get side sway with the pack with the new frame? Could you load a compressed folded flat sleeping bag in the weapon sheath compartment? Does the weapon compartment sheath area press inward to make the main compartment less? I truly appreciate all the time and work you put into this review. You showed this pack way better than most ever have. Take Care and Stay Safe.
Bottle holders one the outside: the outside holder can still be used with it loaded and have a bottle inside the outer pouches. Side zipper compartment - They are especially a nice spot to run not overly thick molle pouches and magazines. You can put whatever you would like, obviously, but that looks like it's main purpose. At the very least, what seems to work best for me. It is very convenient to store extra magazines for quick access. Vertical Sidezipper pouches can have some effect on the internal space on the main pouch but marginal. I have not had anything larger than a canteen inside the side zipper molle portion of the ruck. Rifle storage area: You should be able to put skinny items inside with no issue, but understand that they will likely limit total space in the main top compartment. I only put a thicker water-resistant binder in the weapon pouch. Newer frame : The newer frame adds a bit more protection and load rating to the pack and seems more comfortable to me personally. Protects the bottom a bit if you had to drag the ruck. Sway is a bit less with the new frame also, but I personally didn't have too much sway even when loaded. As long as you load the pack effectively, it will not have much sway in my experience. I hope this was able to answer your questions and if you have more or need further clarification just let me know and I'll answer to the best of my ability.
@@theninja9563 I appreciate the answers to my questions. I really like this pack but needed the additional info. I have a V90 Battleship, but I'm looking for something with a better frame than the aluminum stays. Take Care and Stay Safe.
@DamianBloodstone Yeah the V90 Battleship has alot more room over all. For frames maybe your could try the Index2 90degree frame if it does not come with it.
I think the frame is great, and with the upgraded frame, it seems a lot nicer. They also changed pocket layout where the rifle sleeve goes though that makes it more stable under wieght
@@theninja9563 Thank you so much for sharing. I really like the F4 terminator and the gen3 is a great upgrade. SKYCRANE II frane is different from G4 Terminator, and I worry about whether his performance is as good as G4. But in terms of requirements, I will need SKYCRANE II first, because its design is suitable for carrying more tools. When I have a budget G4 Terminator in the future, I will buy a backpack. Thanks for sharing the video and have a nice day :D
@a45456565 No problem if you have any other questions let me know. Also the f4 does have the xl version that's a bit larger. I'm sure you will be happy with any of the eberlestock bags and rucks.
Those side pockets look huge. I have seen people complaining about this pack having 'sway' issue when they ruck it. I think if you store heavy stuff like water on the side pockets, that would be the case.
Ive had the side pockets loaded with 5 mre and other objects and its not bad but there will be more sway but honestly if its tightened properly its not that bad. Ill do other videos showing different objects and weight. Nothing at my hotel gym is small. All of the weights are crazy wide even the 5 pounds. Im limited due to me not being home in about a year and my schedule xD
@@khomatech0 The gossamer frame on my Halftrack works great. Its super rigid on vertical like an external frame but flexible like an internal frame. Also great for heavy loading.
Yes I have fully replaced my issued Moller 2 ruck with my terminator f4 but I'll recommend getting the XL version of the f4 to help fit shit in even better. I would look at what your needs are and what your unit requires you to pack. So kit and ACH or other bulky items will be a bitch to fit. I wear my kit so it's not a issue. I have several videos of this ruck. One of which is specific on what I could fit in it. Also understand most schools aka air assault ,airborne, ranger school require use of Molle 2 ruck or Alice pack. Might want to check there regs on aftermarket rucks.
So sleep system? How does that all fit in there along with your other gear/ clothing/ etc. I’m a fister and roll with you guys a lot so I need to be able to stay out as long as you guys. I’m also LI so we ruck a shit ton
So on a prolonged recon mission depending on water resupply, Filtration. Amount of food. Likely first strike meals\ MRE its going to be tight depending what your mission set is and if you will be carrying a Big Old Harris or ACIP. Depending on weather/ temp I would have a modified sleep system with a medium sleeping bag,woobie,bivy cover,Obviously poncho as well. I can fit that setup in the bottom pouch.
I can fit that setup in the bottom pouch. Ill verify but I have not really used my sleep system a whole lot. Also clothing I mostly bring socks ,Combat top and shirts. I used the side tubes in wet weather bags for clothing
If I get a packing list or better idea of what your normal mission set is when attached that will help me do a test pack to see how it would fit for you.
@@theninja9563 awesome and yeah I usually don’t carry much for clothing other than what you stated + maybe extra boots. I never necessarily have a packing list I just pack what I need. So I would so most likely carrying an asip. Sleeping bag w bivvy cover and then wet weather cause here at Drum it gets wet haha. But thank you for the response
That allows them to run it inside or outside to secure what ever is inside. The holes have not caused any issues in the slightest. And your talking about the tube ones on the farthest left and right. What's your worry about the small holes
@@easygroove The side tubes are more for water camel back platters or longer items. Sleep system,tent,60mm mortar. I cant think of a thing that could fall out of the small holes that your would put in the side tubes.
@@theninja9563 Everything Heavy should be as close to the Body as possible - thats Physics/ Law of lever.... So whatever they (Eberlestock) say or think - puttin or proposing something Heavy like Water or Mortar Ammo somewhere on the outside is just , äh, not very smart. Where the Target Group of Customers are - there´s dirt, dust and critters/Insects.... a hole in a bag for my stuff ist not very wise.. (Same goes for mesh material on the outside!) (but yeah they make some good Stuff and still thank you for the (your) explanations/opinion) ;-)
Great question. So I could get a IBA with no issues rolled up into the side tube. That's with it's slick. If your talking mags,plates,canteens,admin pouches. It's going to be harder for the middle compartment. Unless you have the separator open on the bottom. I'll check with my plate carrier that has all my shit on it for ya.
@@theninja9563 thanks! I've had my eye on this ruck for quite a while. We ruck a lot in the 10th Mtn and the IOTV + ACH are always on the packing list.
@@tylerz4546 Extremely good Ruck. I just finished the Norwegian Ruckmarch with it. So 18 miles 25 pounds. My dry was 29 and with water closer to 40. If you just have the IOTV for a packing item and not for use then it should fit. Also I'll add the F4 Terminator does have a XL version so that might be even better. But I'll double check for you since I have my IBA and plate carrier on hand.
@@tylerz4546 Ok so it fits my slick IBA. In middle and rolled up in side tubes. My plate carrier with everything besides plates will also fit in the middle top compartment. You have the bottom that you can fit your ACH and a MRE easily. It would be easier if I show you picks or video. ( If you want I will literally do a video of just showing what you can fit)
Brother, you are why I love Joes. Great video. Get more hand warmers... LOL. Thx for the video.
Found you from your review on the Eberlestock site. Thanks for showing us a more in-depth look at it.
No problem I hope it gave some good information and helps if you plan on purchasing the ruck.
I'm late in seeing this, so you might not see these questions.
When looking at the side vertical zipper pouches on the pack, do they press inward or outward on the main area of the pack?
Do the side top access pouches interfere with the "bottle holders" on the sides or are they big enough to get something into with those filled?
Do you still get side sway with the pack with the new frame?
Could you load a compressed folded flat sleeping bag in the weapon sheath compartment? Does the weapon compartment sheath area press inward to make the main compartment less?
I truly appreciate all the time and work you put into this review. You showed this pack way better than most ever have. Take Care and Stay Safe.
Bottle holders one the outside: the outside holder can still be used with it loaded and have a bottle inside the outer pouches.
Side zipper compartment - They are especially a nice spot to run not overly thick molle pouches and magazines. You can put whatever you would like, obviously, but that looks like it's main purpose. At the very least, what seems to work best for me. It is very convenient to store extra magazines for quick access.
Vertical Sidezipper pouches can have some effect on the internal space on the main pouch but marginal. I have not had anything larger than a canteen inside the side zipper molle portion of the ruck.
Rifle storage area: You should be able to put skinny items inside with no issue, but understand that they will likely limit total space in the main top compartment. I only put a thicker water-resistant binder in the weapon pouch.
Newer frame : The newer frame adds a bit more protection and load rating to the pack and seems more comfortable to me personally. Protects the bottom a bit if you had to drag the ruck. Sway is a bit less with the new frame also, but I personally didn't have too much sway even when loaded. As long as you load the pack effectively, it will not have much sway in my experience.
I hope this was able to answer your questions and if you have more or need further clarification just let me know and I'll answer to the best of my ability.
@@theninja9563 I appreciate the answers to my questions. I really like this pack but needed the additional info. I have a V90 Battleship, but I'm looking for something with a better frame than the aluminum stays. Take Care and Stay Safe.
@DamianBloodstone Yeah the V90 Battleship has alot more room over all. For frames maybe your could try the Index2 90degree frame if it does not come with it.
Think you
Gen3's new frame is the key，nice pack.
Thank you
I think the frame is great, and with the upgraded frame, it seems a lot nicer. They also changed pocket layout where the rifle sleeve goes though that makes it more stable under wieght
@@theninja9563 Thank you so much for sharing. I really like the F4 terminator and the gen3 is a great upgrade. SKYCRANE II frane is different from G4 Terminator, and I worry about whether his performance is as good as G4. But in terms of requirements, I will need SKYCRANE II first, because its design is suitable for carrying more tools. When I have a budget G4 Terminator in the future, I will buy a backpack. Thanks for sharing the video and have a nice day :D
@a45456565 No problem if you have any other questions let me know. Also the f4 does have the xl version that's a bit larger. I'm sure you will be happy with any of the eberlestock bags and rucks.
Thanks for the review bro. Chosin!
Thanks. I hope you enjoyed it.
Those side pockets look huge. I have seen people complaining about this pack having 'sway' issue when they ruck it. I think if you store heavy stuff like water on the side pockets, that would be the case.
Ive had the side pockets loaded with 5 mre and other objects and its not bad but there will be more sway but honestly if its tightened properly its not that bad. Ill do other videos showing different objects and weight. Nothing at my hotel gym is small. All of the weights are crazy wide even the 5 pounds. Im limited due to me not being home in about a year and my schedule xD
the sway on these packs is awful, but can be mitigated with the Gossamer Frame + serious strap tightening.
@@khomatech0 The gossamer frame on my Halftrack works great. Its super rigid on vertical like an external frame but flexible like an internal frame. Also great for heavy loading.
Came here following your link you left in your review. Would you say this is a good replacement for the Army issue ruck?
Yes I have fully replaced my issued Moller 2 ruck with my terminator f4 but I'll recommend getting the XL version of the f4 to help fit shit in even better. I would look at what your needs are and what your unit requires you to pack. So kit and ACH or other bulky items will be a bitch to fit. I wear my kit so it's not a issue. I have several videos of this ruck. One of which is specific on what I could fit in it. Also understand most schools aka air assault ,airborne, ranger school require use of Molle 2 ruck or Alice pack. Might want to check there regs on aftermarket rucks.
So sleep system? How does that all fit in there along with your other gear/ clothing/ etc. I’m a fister and roll with you guys a lot so I need to be able to stay out as long as you guys. I’m also LI so we ruck a shit ton
So on a prolonged recon mission depending on water resupply, Filtration. Amount of food. Likely first strike meals\ MRE its going to be tight depending what your mission set is and if you will be carrying a Big Old Harris or ACIP. Depending on weather/ temp I would have a modified sleep system with a medium sleeping bag,woobie,bivy cover,Obviously poncho as well. I can fit that setup in the bottom pouch.
I can fit that setup in the bottom pouch. Ill verify but I have not really used my sleep system a whole lot. Also clothing I mostly bring socks ,Combat top and shirts. I used the side tubes in wet weather bags for clothing
Amazing ruck over all. Did the Norwegian ruck march with it and was great. 18 miles 25p min dry weight. I had 31 dry 42 wet .
If I get a packing list or better idea of what your normal mission set is when attached that will help me do a test pack to see how it would fit for you.
@@theninja9563 awesome and yeah I usually don’t carry much for clothing other than what you stated + maybe extra boots. I never necessarily have a packing list I just pack what I need. So I would so most likely carrying an asip. Sleeping bag w bivvy cover and then wet weather cause here at Drum it gets wet haha. But thank you for the response
but who told eberlestock that it is a good idea to have holes in the side pockets (where the compression straps go through) ?
That allows them to run it inside or outside to secure what ever is inside. The holes have not caused any issues in the slightest. And your talking about the tube ones on the farthest left and right. What's your worry about the small holes
@@theninja9563
At first - Thanks for the Answer.
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To get water, dirt and insects and such into it and to loose something thru it ...
@@easygroove The side tubes are more for water camel back platters or longer items. Sleep system,tent,60mm mortar. I cant think of a thing that could fall out of the small holes that your would put in the side tubes.
@@theninja9563 Everything Heavy should be as close to the Body as possible - thats Physics/ Law of lever....
So whatever they (Eberlestock) say or think - puttin or proposing something Heavy like Water or Mortar Ammo somewhere on the outside is just , äh, not very smart.
Where the Target Group of Customers are - there´s dirt, dust and critters/Insects.... a hole in a bag for my stuff ist not very wise..
(Same goes for mesh material on the outside!)
(but yeah they make some good Stuff and still thank you for the (your) explanations/opinion) ;-)
that gap where rifle sheath goes, can it be closed somehow when you dont use it? or does it gape around open like this all the time?
There's virtually zero gap when the rifle isn't in it.
Can this be worn comfortably over a plate carrier/war belt setup?
Yes. I wear it with my Plate Carrier, and I tried it with IOTV,and IBA. It's fine even with M17 to my side. Very comfortable
Can you fit an IOTV in there?
Great question. So I could get a IBA with no issues rolled up into the side tube. That's with it's slick. If your talking mags,plates,canteens,admin pouches. It's going to be harder for the middle compartment. Unless you have the separator open on the bottom. I'll check with my plate carrier that has all my shit on it for ya.
@@theninja9563 thanks! I've had my eye on this ruck for quite a while. We ruck a lot in the 10th Mtn and the IOTV + ACH are always on the packing list.
@@tylerz4546 Extremely good Ruck. I just finished the Norwegian Ruckmarch with it. So 18 miles 25 pounds. My dry was 29 and with water closer to 40. If you just have the IOTV for a packing item and not for use then it should fit. Also I'll add the F4 Terminator does have a XL version so that might be even better. But I'll double check for you since I have my IBA and plate carrier on hand.
@@tylerz4546 Ok so it fits my slick IBA. In middle and rolled up in side tubes. My plate carrier with everything besides plates will also fit in the middle top compartment. You have the bottom that you can fit your ACH and a MRE easily. It would be easier if I show you picks or video. ( If you want I will literally do a video of just showing what you can fit)
@@theninja9563 haha that would be cool! XD it's a lot of money to spend without seeing one in person, so I want to be sure it will fit my needs.
Too bad these rucks are sold out till the end of June