@@No1emilybrowningfan What’s funny is that Brian doesn’t realize that himself. But how many times does the apprentice realize he outdid the master? To him, Phil will always be god.
If you wanna hear Brian’s early genius, I’d not point to Pet Sounds but I’d point to the song “Girls On The Beach”. Those harmonies and chord changes will blow your mind
Oh god yeah. Early 60s era Brian put together a solid 15-20 beautiful songs. Although the early beach boys records were pretty weak with a lot of filler. “beach boys today!” Is the exception. Arguably a top 3 album by them. I pick the 3 or 4 best tracks from those early records and compile them into a playlist
Brian is a far superior song writer. The wall of Sound is just "layers of instruments". Brian wrote amazing songs with original chord changes, complex harmonies and amazing hooks. Brian's music catalog showcases his evolving genius. Spector never evolved. He was a one trick pony.
Spector wanted "the greatest LIVE sound of all time." No (or, at least, minimal) overdubs. Dozens of musicians all crammed into one tiny room playing at the same time, creating magic in the moment. Brian Wilson, The Beatles, and countless other artists revolutionized, as you said, "using the studio as an instrument." Which allowed them to do more. But they're apples and oranges. When Spector was talking about Hitchcock films, it's kind of funny, because it seems like the man would have preferred a straight up theatrical play or something. Which was kind of his style. If you compare the Lion King film to the Lion King play, they're two totally different things. It's unfair. But, from an entertainment perspective, I enjoyed myself significantly more at the Lion King broadway show than the film. Same with a lot of other plays. IDK how to describe it, just you can feel the energy and charisma - something that's often lost with film. Not that film is lifeless, but it's just a different experience. Same with video games. The Phil Spector wall of sound owes a lot to the Wrecking Crew and just session musician tendencies of the time. Some of his records are the last great all-in-one recordings. Basically live, but with such a clean studio sound. And of course very echo-y and boomy! Brian Wilson and The Beatles projects (especially mid-to-late 1960's and onward) were more 'how can we make every instrument's take flawless.' And sort of "fix it in post" overdubbing that really spiced up otherwise regular songs for them. (I still contend that Strawberry Fields was nowhere near as great as Nowhere Man, however, it gets an edge up because of the orchestration and trippy mellotron and other instrument experimentation. Same as with Tomorrow Never Knows vs A Day in the Life). But (and the Beatles knew this too) they weren't songs you could ever really play live - unless you had artificial backing, or a ton of musicians... and then guess what, you'd have to train them and have everybody practice for hours on end just to not be heard over the screaming girls. Phil Spector brought a live performance "concert" sound into the home. They each deserve merits because they worked to achieve totally different things.
I'll give Phil Spector his due respect: he was a genius, and he did influence Brian Wilson considerably. There's only catch in my comment though: Phil Spector, the so-called "mentor" was simply not as good as his student, Brian. Brian Wilson's music is by far more musical, more dynamic, has more depth and beauty, and way more forward-thinking and inventive than anything Phil ever did. That is a fact, and I'm a huge fan of both.
Agreed. Wilson would be, and has been, the first to give Spector due credit. But the fact remains that Spector never produced a masterpiece that stands up to the brilliance of Pet Sounds.
ScottMassonPublicTreatments Harmonically, Brian was better than his mentor. And perhaps melodically. But not production-wise, IMO. Not that Wilson isn't good. I'm a huge fan of his productions. But he didn't understand "the wall of sound as well as Phil did. It was a richer tapestry that Phil did, and it blended amazingly. May also be due to the studio engineer, Larry Levine. Phil used him on most if not all productions.
Take it from the Wrecking Crew who were the musicians involved in creating the wall of sound. They said they have never had an experience such as the process they went through with Brian. That was a huge shift on their career up until that point. Both Spector and Brian have their own place in the music history. Brian took the wall of sound to another level.
Well Phil is definitely not a great person and comes across as an asshole here, but to say he has no talent is downright asinine. Pet Sounds and The Smile Sessions definitely borrow from Phil’s wall of sound production style. I do think Brian surpassed Phil by the late 60s. But Phil was no slouch.
😂😂 Like... he totally swung out on the analogy too. Instead of REBECCA he should've referenced ROPE (a Hitchcock film edited discretely to look like one long continuous take).
A lot of air wasted through Spector's rambling. Unfortunately, I will never get the 3:47 of my life back that would have been better spent listening to Brian Wilson.
It's worth mentioning folks, Be My Baby was in fact edited. Ronnie Spector sings on the entire track, none of the others in the group, and it's written by three people.
He's jealous because he's the one of the two "crazy ones" who had a prison sentence. I've heard stories of Brian during the mid-70's (the ones that aren't downright *sad*) that make him seem lovably eccentric at worst but the only time he'd gotten close to hurting someone was the time where he tackled Landy for withholding money while Marilyn watched.
You're right. And even so. Who tf cares if it's an "edit" record. It's all about the final vision and accomplishing that. Who cares how you get there as long as you get somewhere great?
Phil was without a doubt one of the greatest producers of all time and I guess I can see what he means while talking about "Little Douce Coupe" but as he said..all due respect to Phil... He couldn't write an opus like "Good Vibrations" if he had 10 of the best producers in the game working along side of him... Brian deserves an equal amount of respect as a composer,producer,writer,and performer... Phil only did one out of those 4 titles I just mentioned.. Also at least Brian never murdered anyone.
Very harsh comments. I guess if it wasn't for Phil Spector Pet Sounds wouldn't have been the classic it was. No need for harmful criticisms. Brian Wilson would be the first one to say if you can't say something nice, then be quiet.
Well brain didn't kill somebody so 🤷♀️ Spector will always be a shell of a more beautiful persona. A mansion of empty rooms that beckons you to observe the art on its walls but gives you no place to sit
Spector looks really silly trying to downplay Brian WIlson's talent and Good Vibrations. Even if Phil did inspire Wilson as a producer, Pet Sounds & SMiLE are light years better than anything he ever did produced, especially musically. Truth hurts, Phil
CLS He has an opinion. And a creative stance. Deal with it, and accept that it's the reason he did something unique. Brian Wilson understanda that, so if you're a fan of him: respect Phil too. Brian does.
Phil was a genius... Brian is STILL a genius... Good Vibrations surpasses any hit he wrote including You Lost That Loving Feeling....and Pet Sounds smokes Let It Be production wise.
I am probably one of the biggest Phil Spector fan and I will admit Phil was a crazy genius. Phil was definitely a better producer then Brian Wilson and also a better businessman. Every track Phil made he owned because he owned his own Record Company Philles Records. Brian Wilson was signed to Capital Records and doesn’t own any of his older stuff and I’m sure Capital gave Brian a album budget which Phil didn’t have no budget so that’s another part of it. Phil would spend $35k to 40k on just 1 song which is around 300k today which is why they far surpass anything Brian every made. Be My Baby alone is a true work of art and you can hear studio takes on RUclips of Phil directing and talking to the musicians trying to get it right! It’s truly amazing what Phil created for being as crazy as he was but I was say The Beach Boys Pet Sounds album was a work of art as well then again Brian used Phils style and technique to create that album and Brian says it in many Interviews. We all look up to someone. I wish Phil was more friendly towards Brian considering the history they have together.
'Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see'... Remember John Lennon on 'Strawberry Fields', Phil? Spector is a has-been since 1980 and since then has been living in his own world. Brian has been productive since 1983 after his drug years. There's the difference: Wilson is not ONLY remembered for his legendary work in the 60s
Wish I considered "Good Vibrations," merely an, "edit record," so I wouldn't have enjoyed it, so much, all these years. Wow, no wonder Brian said after he met Phil three or four times he couldn't take his vibes and never would go see him, again. Brian said it was due to Phil's ego that was too much to endure.
These is no movie without editing, unless it's s an avant garde experiment. Phil himself used to do the basic track and then overdub strings, background vocals and lead vocals- overdubbing became popular in the 60s and is itself a kind of vertical editing. It's been very rare since the late 60s for pure live in the studio recordings to be released, as overdubbing, editing and many other studio techniques have been used and developed: the Beatles "Get back" was an attempt to do this, but halfway through they just gave up
Without Spector there wouldn't be Brian Wilson. So there wouldn't be Pet sounds or Sgt. Pepper. Phil Spector is without a doubt the single greatest genius in pop music.
Paul McCartney couldn`t stand Phil Spector, but he loved Brian Wilson, so i don`t think Phil Spector had anything to do with the Beatles making Sgt. Peppers, or Brian making Pet sounds for that matter. Brian made Pet Sounds after hearing "Rubber soul" by the Beatles. And the Beatles made Sgt. Peppers after being inspired by Pet sounds. It had nothing to with crazy Phil. Crazy Phil got into a huge conflict with Paul McCartney when he butchered "The long and winding road" with the wall of sound that Paul didn`t want at all for that number.
Also, Brian was inspired by the Four Freshmen, George Gershwin and Chuck Berry, to name a few. It's not like he wouldn't have made music if it wasn't for Spector. It would have sounded different, sure, but it's not like copying the wall of sound was all he did.
The only thing 'in your mind' Phil is your over inflated ego. As for Brian Wilson 'at his age'... well he is still performing and carries on. You critique others and are not doing much of anything. You should have discussed your past...nothing to be proud of at all Phil. You did start something and were a big influence on Brian Wilson but he has long surpassed you in creativity, musical genius and influence. Yes.. Be My Baby one of my favorites. I'll grant you that. Mr. Brian Wilson has overcome much in his life, is well loved and respected by countless more than you ever will be. He has more integrity than you can comprehend and more than you will ever have. He has my undying respect and thanks for his beautiful music that makes me reflect on my own life, cry, dance, have fun, laugh and smile. Yes Mr. Wilson... You still make me smile.
Spector: Good vibrations is an edit record. It’s not a great record. Translation: I could never write or make a record as great as Good Vibrations and I’m jealous as fuck about it!
@@20alphabet no don’t feel there is need for correction - he couldn’t write a song that good. He didn’t have the talent for it. He was too one dimensional
So much pettiness and jealousy to Phil Spector. Brian Wilson, on the other hand, wanted to use his gift to make people happy. Phil isn’t even in Brian’s league.
Hmm, no Phil Spector, no Brian Wilson? Seems Spector got his inspiration from Berry Gordy of Motown fame so how about no Berry Gordy, no Brian Wilson! Wilson proves his musical prowess by writing a tune perfect for "The Ronettes", (Don't Worry Baby), rejected by Spector, actually Spector's ego, to go on an produce the tune for The Beach Boys, which becomes a hit. "Good Vibrations", produced by Wilson, invokes the "sound" achievable only by recording in different "rooms" (studios) in and around LA. In the dat, each studio had the capability if producing a specific "sound". This is based on the equipment in the control room an the natural acoustics of the area where the recordings took place. Wilsons genius is in his ability to create those unique sounds from each studio then combine them into one recording. While Spector "scoffs" at Wilsons productions as "edited", I urge the readers to understand Spector's efforts on the "Wall of Sound" is effected by over saturation of physical instrumentation and layering these into a mix, pushing the "one take" technique, which had existed as the traditional method of recording since the inception of the art. So Spector did nothing "new"! Wilson, on the other hand, Wilson figured out how to combine the acoustic properties of multiple studios into one extremely unique sound and, use a totally new instrument, the "theremin". Finally, Spector calling Wilson "coo coo"?
I'm just gonna echo some of you here... Phil might've impressed and inspired Brian on Be My Baby..but, other than that, Brian's pretty much the more superior musician and recording wiz/composer than Phil. Man, even Paul McCartney hated what Phil did to his songs on Let It Be. When a Beatle hated what you did..that's not good.
A very passive aggressive dig towards Brian Wilson, when Spector calls good vibrations not that great because it’s “an edit record”. He did some good stuff but the man was insane, and probably a very hurt,angry and disturbed individual who no doubt probably suffered some form of traumatic abuse as a child. You don’t pull guns out and threaten people or kill someone which we all know eventually happened if the person themselves isn’t someone who is hurting. .
Oh, so Good Vibrations isn't a good track without edits? Okay, you wanna play like that? Fine. How about God Only Knows? That's a masterpiece with or without edits! What do ya think about that, Phil?
Everyone knows he was a great producer but the guy was a violent narcissist from day one. Honestly, it’s just depressing to me that someone like that was revered for so many years, despite his abusive outbursts being well known (although obviously the full extent of his shittiness would not be known for many years). I hope we get to a point as a society where being talented and successful does not give you a free pass for to be an asshole.
Phil was great, and as Phil says, Brian was almost as great. What Phil could never figure out, however, was how I produced my random sounds track. It bugged him and drove him crazy, but I didn't want to show him how. I thought it best at some point if the master steps back and tests whether the student can progress a bit on his own.
It’s pretty fucked up that Brian has said for five decades that he loved Phil and and looked up to him only for Phil to shit on him in return. His “edit record” remarks are null and void considering The Beach Boys (and various BW bands) have performed all of those difficult classics live. Go watch them perform Good Vibrations on Ed Sullivan and you’ll know that their talent was not limited to studio tricks and magic. It’s a shame guys like Phil are so competitive, as it only hurts their legacy.
Ah Phil Spector... such an inferiority complex, and rightfully so. Musically, compared to Brian, you were always a piece of dung unfit to grovel at his feet. You and your little three chord ditties never stood a chance next to Brian's musically sophisticated, creative genius. Phil Spector, delusions of grandeur personified.
this spector guy had no fucking idea where music was heading. Today any kid with an ipad can produce better quality music faster than he ever could have dreamed. thousands of dollars of studio time lol. the role of a producer has been diminished so completely. Have you listened to be my baby any time recently it "sounds" like shit. the melody and the harmony are still very catchy. somebody needs to cover it with modern equipment.
vampyros1 this is a classic issue human beings possess. It's easy to view Brian Wilson as the good guy and Phil as the bad guy(the hero vs the villain). This is why human beings are programmed by theatre.
You think good vibrations is not a good record, its an edit record made with weird Instrument? I suppose SGT Peppers lonely harts club band is also a weird record in your opinion? And that weird instrument? It's called a theremin Phil, and it's commonly used in music. And I thought Mike Love was bad...
An edit record?? What does that even mean. Like Phil did no editing? Maybe it's more like Brian took his wall of sound and ran with it and surpassed what Phil had done. So maybe he's a bit jealous.
Mad genius....the both of them. Brian may have fallen into his hole deeper not letting him work for periods of time but he never harmed anyone. So if we are judging it as a game and who won? 😆 Brian Wilson. But...they both produced great sounds and music.
Phil is right as usual. He isnt knocking Good Vibrations. He is more saying that Be My Baby and what Brian attempted to "compete" with concerning Phil's production arent even the same type recorded songs. Therefore a competition doesnt even exist or could it possibly exist. I do get an underlying idea that Phil is not so much a fan of "edit songs" or films for that matter. Probably disliked Star Wars lol. What Phil did in so many instances was not only to catch a complete magical take of the best songs he produced, but he also caught lightning in a bottle. This is impossible to replicate as to what he achieved in giving those songs a particular sound full of energy, bite and life. Great songs, in Phil's understanding, are complete flowing works that say as much musically as through words. "Be My Baby", for example, leaves one with a feeling of what a girl wants and is excited for in a boy in a way that many of the best songs about a boy being crazy for a girl would. Not an easy feeling to put in a 3 minute or less time period. I would absolutely disagree that Brian Wilsons production work makes Phil Spector seem like dog doo. That is so far revisionistic bullshit that it stinks without sitting foot in the studio. I love The Beach Boys and Brian Wilson. If anyone is a genius, Brian is. But just like Dylan in recent years, Brian has been near mythologized which is fine until that worship turns its fan fangs on a master at his art also such as Phil Spector was. I think, unfortunately so, Phils personal life has tainted his reputation also. Which in turn set fans somewhat against the man. But purely musically speaking? Anyone who places Phil Spectors achievements as anything but genius level is simply talking out their backends.
Brian's mind/brain is a lot more developed and different from Phil's. Brian could come up with a complex songwriting, put together harmonies and instruments in a way that no other person on Earth has ever done. Especially not Phil. Sure he made a few rememberable pop songs, but that's it. It's just layers of instruments, whilst Brian not only had layers, but a way of putting those layers together, each layer being a song of its own. Take for instance Cabinessence, This whole world, Surf's up, the whole of Smile... And (!): God only knows is certainly not an edit... Besides Brian is a humble person - Phil a rotten egg... Now where have we heard that before...? "I'm a genius too"... 😂🤬🤮
Brilliant! Given the chance I would’ve hung out with Phil Spector all day long... and as much as I love the Beach Boys I wouldn’t say that about Brian Wilson.
All due respect.... 1. Every film is edited as are most songs. 2. You are an amazing producer,no one can take that from you. But you're just as "cooky" as he is...except he never killed anyone. Also, not for nothin "Good Vibrations" instrumentally surpasses anything you did...and he idolized you, wasnt in a race with you.. He was in a race with The Beatles.
Wow, obvious jealousy and resentment there towards Brian. Who cares how Good Vibrations was made? The end justifies the means and it far surpassed Be My Baby. And putting down Little Deuce Coupe? Why? It’s a fun simple song and Brian was like 19 when he co-wrote it. Talk about jealousy and anger issues. No wonder he murdered that girl….
Yes, indeed, Phil's genius production technique (The Wall of Sound) was genuinely remarkable & unique, to say the least. It was a historical innovation that left its mark on the pop music broadcast era of the sixties. This 1982 cult classic single (-A-side) has been unanimously accused of emulating Phil's Wall of Sound while also mimicking the songwriting style of the early Stones records. ruclips.net/video/dldNpUbs8zo/видео.htmlsi=IaC09qx4_F6jijh2
Spectre may be a narcissist...with murderer thrown in...but he was an important figure that helped evolve rock n rolls sound... Him, Wilson, the Beatles were breaking completely new ground... no certainty that it would work or be accepted. I wonder who does that these days?
I bet Phil Spector wasn't a fan of sampling and hip hop (if he thinks "edit records" are somehow less impressive ways of making music). I lik Phil's work from the late 50's through to the mid 60's but Brian Wilson did a lot more than just try to reach Phil's Wall of Sound and by late 1965 was more motivated by beating the Beatles than Phil Spector. In the end both Brian and Phil composed, produced and arranged 3 US number one singles but those Beach Boys albums like Pet Sounds , Smile (as per the 2011 Smile Sessions), Friends, Today! and even Surfer Girl and All Summer Long I'll listen to all the time but I almost never spin a Phil Spector record, except those later on when he produced other artists like John Lennon.
Lamento ver cómo un genio como Phil Spector ser tan narcisista,Brian superó a Phil en todo,el estudiante superó ampliamente al maestro,y si,probablemente el deterioró su salud mental (que recuperó con el tiempo) pero no es un psicópata,el no creo "be my baby",el creo el mejor álbum de la historia:PET SOUNDS
Spector got lucky, He, for a short time, beat Motown, but Brian Wilson is 10 times the song writer Spector was. Be My Baby was a great hit, but Pet Sounds proved Brian Wilson was superior
“Spector got lucky”. Of course he did. 😆 if he’d have had 1 hit then I’d agree but he had so many. You think The Beatles would have hired him and then Lennon and Harrison as solo artist if he was some talentless hack?
@@chrislancaster6456 I know it's a late response, but Phil Spector notoriously overproduced Let it Be after George Martin was pushed from the project. His work with Lennon I'm not sure, but his work with Harrison I absolutely hate. All Things Must Pass has so many great songs and playing, but they're so drowned out and undefined a la "the wall of sound" that you can't really appreciate any one part of the song since it all just blends together into one jumbled mess.
Phil Spector's productions and songs are out of this world in comparison to any other artist or producer. they had that wow factor that make artists like Brian Wilson or Joey Ramone and even me stop dead in our tracks with astonishment. Modern music gets no better than Lennon/Spector. no producer alive or dead has captured the Magic in recording like Spector.
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Spector may have had the early lead in the race, but Brian quickly passed him and ran circles around him.
The only race Brian was in was the one he was in with the Beatles
@@No1emilybrowningfan What’s funny is that Brian doesn’t realize that himself. But how many times does the apprentice realize he outdid the master? To him, Phil will always be god.
@WilshirecityBlues Not equals at all. Bri is on a different level, he climbed over the wall of sound and found a castle.
Phil Spector laughing about how crazy Brian Wilson is LOL
i’d say Spector is crazier.
@@jadenwaz9585 Both dominated in the studio but Brian is a nice guy where Phil is a psycho.
Phil created a sound. Brian found a way to create a similar sound without your ears bleeding from fatigue within 2 minutes.
That is such bs, there is nothing fatigue inducing about Spector’s masterpieces.
Brian might be a little crazy, but at least he didn’t die in prison after murdering someone.
If you wanna hear Brian’s early genius, I’d not point to Pet Sounds but I’d point to the song “Girls On The Beach”. Those harmonies and chord changes will blow your mind
Fantastic song
i know right??
Oh god yeah. Early 60s era Brian put together a solid 15-20 beautiful songs. Although the early beach boys records were pretty weak with a lot of filler. “beach boys today!” Is the exception. Arguably a top 3 album by them.
I pick the 3 or 4 best tracks from those early records and compile them into a playlist
Brian is a far superior song writer. The wall of Sound is just "layers of instruments". Brian wrote amazing songs with original chord changes, complex harmonies and amazing hooks. Brian's music catalog showcases his evolving genius. Spector never evolved. He was a one trick pony.
You don't understand the magic that Spector produced. Brian obviously did, as he considered Phil to be a "god" (direct quote).
It’s so much more then layers of instruments but I get what
Your trying to say
@@AirSandFirethat doesnt dispute their point that brian was infintely more evolved as a songwriter. Also, not a crazy murderer, AFAIK
'Strawberry Fields' and 'Good Vibrations' are 2 awesome edit tracks. They used the studio as an additional instrument ;)
So to gosh darn with Phil Spector's opinion...
Spector wanted "the greatest LIVE sound of all time." No (or, at least, minimal) overdubs. Dozens of musicians all crammed into one tiny room playing at the same time, creating magic in the moment. Brian Wilson, The Beatles, and countless other artists revolutionized, as you said, "using the studio as an instrument." Which allowed them to do more.
But they're apples and oranges. When Spector was talking about Hitchcock films, it's kind of funny, because it seems like the man would have preferred a straight up theatrical play or something. Which was kind of his style. If you compare the Lion King film to the Lion King play, they're two totally different things. It's unfair.
But, from an entertainment perspective, I enjoyed myself significantly more at the Lion King broadway show than the film. Same with a lot of other plays. IDK how to describe it, just you can feel the energy and charisma - something that's often lost with film. Not that film is lifeless, but it's just a different experience. Same with video games.
The Phil Spector wall of sound owes a lot to the Wrecking Crew and just session musician tendencies of the time. Some of his records are the last great all-in-one recordings. Basically live, but with such a clean studio sound. And of course very echo-y and boomy!
Brian Wilson and The Beatles projects (especially mid-to-late 1960's and onward) were more 'how can we make every instrument's take flawless.' And sort of "fix it in post" overdubbing that really spiced up otherwise regular songs for them. (I still contend that Strawberry Fields was nowhere near as great as Nowhere Man, however, it gets an edge up because of the orchestration and trippy mellotron and other instrument experimentation. Same as with Tomorrow Never Knows vs A Day in the Life). But (and the Beatles knew this too) they weren't songs you could ever really play live - unless you had artificial backing, or a ton of musicians... and then guess what, you'd have to train them and have everybody practice for hours on end just to not be heard over the screaming girls.
Phil Spector brought a live performance "concert" sound into the home. They each deserve merits because they worked to achieve totally different things.
I'll give Phil Spector his due respect: he was a genius, and he did influence Brian Wilson considerably. There's only catch in my comment though: Phil Spector, the so-called "mentor" was simply not as good as his student, Brian. Brian Wilson's music is by far more musical, more dynamic, has more depth and beauty, and way more forward-thinking and inventive than anything Phil ever did. That is a fact, and I'm a huge fan of both.
Could not agree more, my friend. Spector created some hit sounds, but he was dog crap musically next to Wilson
Agreed. Wilson would be, and has been, the first to give Spector due credit. But the fact remains that Spector never produced a masterpiece that stands up to the brilliance of Pet Sounds.
ScottMassonPublicTreatments Harmonically, Brian was better than his mentor. And perhaps melodically. But not production-wise, IMO.
Not that Wilson isn't good. I'm a huge fan of his productions. But he didn't understand "the wall of sound as well as Phil did. It was a richer tapestry that Phil did, and it blended amazingly.
May also be due to the studio engineer, Larry Levine. Phil used him on most if not all productions.
Very well said
Literally couldn’t agree w this statement more
Take it from the Wrecking Crew who were the musicians involved in creating the wall of sound. They said they have never had an experience such as the process they went through with Brian. That was a huge shift on their career up until that point. Both Spector and Brian have their own place in the music history. Brian took the wall of sound to another level.
Don't you dare insult Brian Wilson you absolute freak show
FYI, Brian Wilson called Phil Spector a god.
He didn't insult him 😂😂
Brian is a brilliant man whos story is an inspiring tale of perserverence.
Phil is a bitter old man without talent who pissed his life away
This is just a classic tale of when the studwnt surpasses the master
Well Phil is definitely not a great person and comes across as an asshole here, but to say he has no talent is downright asinine.
Pet Sounds and The Smile Sessions definitely borrow from Phil’s wall of sound production style. I do think Brian surpassed Phil by the late 60s. But Phil was no slouch.
No, Phil Spector has his own production talent, you cant tell me the ronettes, the fucking ramones arent geniusly produced.
Lol, hardly.
Humble guy, isn't he?
Didn’t ya know guys?
Great pop songs have no edits.
Production is a myth.
Hits spontaneously manifest in protools sessions.
😂😂 Like... he totally swung out on the analogy too. Instead of REBECCA he should've referenced ROPE (a Hitchcock film edited discretely to look like one long continuous take).
A lot of air wasted through Spector's rambling. Unfortunately, I will never get the 3:47 of my life back that would have been better spent listening to Brian Wilson.
Have some respect for one of the greatest musical geniuses.
It's worth mentioning folks, Be My Baby was in fact edited. Ronnie Spector sings on the entire track, none of the others in the group, and it's written by three people.
Brian = humble = genius - period
He’s so clearly jealous of Brian this video is hilarious
He's jealous because he's the one of the two "crazy ones" who had a prison sentence. I've heard stories of Brian during the mid-70's (the ones that aren't downright *sad*) that make him seem lovably eccentric at worst but the only time he'd gotten close to hurting someone was the time where he tackled Landy for withholding money while Marilyn watched.
Lol, hardly.
Jealous of the fact Brian Wilson put more love and soul into his production than Spector did. Spector's music was great but aggressive like himself.
Phil was a better murderer than Brian. That’s about it.
God only knows the best song ever written without a single edit.
You're right. And even so. Who tf cares if it's an "edit" record. It's all about the final vision and accomplishing that. Who cares how you get there as long as you get somewhere great?
@@nik0tine I agree with you about it.
Phil was without a doubt one of the greatest producers of all time and I guess I can see what he means while talking about "Little Douce Coupe" but as he said..all due respect to Phil... He couldn't write an opus like "Good Vibrations" if he had 10 of the best producers in the game working along side of him... Brian deserves an equal amount of respect as a composer,producer,writer,and performer... Phil only did one out of those 4 titles I just mentioned.. Also at least Brian never murdered anyone.
Very harsh comments. I guess if it wasn't for Phil Spector Pet Sounds wouldn't have been the classic it was. No need for harmful criticisms. Brian Wilson would be the first one to say if you can't say something nice, then be quiet.
Carole Pearson well, Brian Wilson didn't murder anyone, so....that has a lot to do with it
Carole Pearson No need for harmful criticisms? Look at how HE disrespects Brian Wilson!
Well brain didn't kill somebody so 🤷♀️ Spector will always be a shell of a more beautiful persona. A mansion of empty rooms that beckons you to observe the art on its walls but gives you no place to sit
I think I get it: Good Vibrations is an "edit record."
Well Brian Wilson’s not a murderer so there’s that too
LOL no kidding
Well do you have any evidence? Go and check the true before thinking anything the people tell you.
@@guillembg9535 WTF are you insinuating?!
@The Lamb Loft nop, i'm saying that the case of Phil Spector theres no real evidence he murdered someone.
@@guillembg9535 you can see it in his eyes.
Omg he was "nuts"......he had little to do to insult Brian....Brian is awesome
I love Phil Spector's hits but not in Brian Wilson's class on any level. The Wrecking Crew knew it.
Spector looks really silly trying to downplay Brian WIlson's talent and Good Vibrations. Even if Phil did inspire Wilson as a producer, Pet Sounds & SMiLE are light years better than anything he ever did produced, especially musically. Truth hurts, Phil
CLS idk about that . Brian Wilson is truly great but you can't downplay Phil either
CLS He has an opinion. And a creative stance. Deal with it, and accept that it's the reason he did something unique. Brian Wilson understanda that, so if you're a fan of him: respect Phil too. Brian does.
This is 100% truth.
Phil was a genius... Brian is STILL a genius... Good Vibrations surpasses any hit he wrote including You Lost That Loving Feeling....and Pet Sounds smokes Let It Be production wise.
Spector is also a genius producer, no doubt, but he doesn’t come close to Brian’s songwriting, harmonies and creativity
I am probably one of the biggest Phil Spector fan and I will admit Phil was a crazy genius. Phil was definitely a better producer then Brian Wilson and also a better businessman. Every track Phil made he owned because he owned his own Record Company Philles Records. Brian Wilson was signed to Capital Records and doesn’t own any of his older stuff and I’m sure Capital gave Brian a album budget which Phil didn’t have no budget so that’s another part of it. Phil would spend $35k to 40k on just 1 song which is around 300k today which is why they far surpass anything Brian every made. Be My Baby alone is a true work of art and you can hear studio takes on RUclips of Phil directing and talking to the musicians trying to get it right! It’s truly amazing what Phil created for being as crazy as he was but I was say The Beach Boys Pet Sounds album was a work of art as well then again Brian used Phils style and technique to create that album and Brian says it in many Interviews. We all look up to someone. I wish Phil was more friendly towards Brian considering the history they have together.
I’d love to see him have a verbal fist fight over ego with mike love
'Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see'... Remember John Lennon on 'Strawberry Fields', Phil? Spector is a has-been since 1980 and since then has been living in his own world. Brian has been productive since 1983 after his drug years. There's the difference: Wilson is not ONLY remembered for his legendary work in the 60s
In a further irony, that song was itself an “edit record.”
Good Vibrations aside, when you try to downplay a work of art by comparing it to Psycho, you're know of putting yourself behind the eightball.
Wish I considered "Good Vibrations," merely an, "edit record," so I wouldn't have enjoyed it, so much, all these years. Wow, no wonder Brian said after he met Phil three or four times he couldn't take his vibes and never would go see him, again. Brian said it was due to Phil's ego that was too much to endure.
Phil Spector proving once again, that being a great artist and also being a totally deplorable person is no rare feat.
No, but being a great artist and maintaining a childlike innocence as Brian has, is a great one.
Dude didn’t blink for like 10 mins
These is no movie without editing, unless it's s an avant garde experiment. Phil himself used to do the basic track and then overdub strings, background vocals and lead vocals- overdubbing became popular in the 60s and is itself a kind of vertical editing. It's been very rare since the late 60s for pure live in the studio recordings to be released, as overdubbing, editing and many other studio techniques have been used and developed: the Beatles "Get back" was an attempt to do this, but halfway through they just gave up
Without Spector there wouldn't be Brian Wilson. So there wouldn't be Pet sounds or Sgt. Pepper. Phil Spector is without a doubt the single greatest genius in pop music.
This interview was cringeworthy but I agree with you. Spector was on another level. He's the most talented producer I've ever heard iml
LOL
Paul McCartney couldn`t stand Phil Spector, but he loved Brian Wilson, so i don`t think Phil Spector had anything to do with the Beatles making Sgt. Peppers, or Brian making Pet sounds for that matter. Brian made Pet Sounds after hearing "Rubber soul" by the Beatles. And the Beatles made Sgt. Peppers after being inspired by Pet sounds. It had nothing to with crazy Phil. Crazy Phil got into a huge conflict with Paul McCartney when he butchered "The long and winding road" with the wall of sound that Paul didn`t want at all for that number.
Also, Brian was inspired by the Four Freshmen, George Gershwin and Chuck Berry, to name a few. It's not like he wouldn't have made music if it wasn't for Spector. It would have sounded different, sure, but it's not like copying the wall of sound was all he did.
The only thing 'in your mind' Phil is your over inflated ego. As for Brian Wilson 'at his age'... well he is still performing and carries on. You critique others and are not doing much of anything. You should have discussed your past...nothing to be proud of at all Phil. You did start something and were a big influence on Brian Wilson but he has long surpassed you in creativity, musical genius and influence. Yes.. Be My Baby one of my favorites. I'll grant you that. Mr. Brian Wilson has overcome much in his life, is well loved and respected by countless more than you ever will be. He has more integrity than you can comprehend and more than you will ever have. He has my undying respect and thanks for his beautiful music that makes me reflect on my own life, cry, dance, have fun, laugh and smile. Yes Mr. Wilson... You still make me smile.
Edits and psycho? What movies don’t have edits? This man is off his rocker!
I didn't fully grasp what phil was saying but I think he wants us to know that good vibrations was edited
Spector: Good vibrations is an edit record. It’s not a great record.
Translation: I could never write or make a record as great as Good Vibrations and I’m jealous as fuck about it!
Correction: "I _would_ never write..."
@@20alphabet no don’t feel there is need for correction - he couldn’t write a song that good. He didn’t have the talent for it. He was too one dimensional
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Lol, says the pie-man, Simple Simon. 😆
@@20alphabet get a life - you’ve no idea what you’re talking about!
So much pettiness and jealousy to Phil Spector. Brian Wilson, on the other hand, wanted to use his gift to make people happy. Phil isn’t even in Brian’s league.
Hmm, no Phil Spector, no Brian Wilson? Seems Spector got his inspiration from Berry Gordy of Motown fame so how about no Berry Gordy, no Brian Wilson! Wilson proves his musical prowess by writing a tune perfect for "The Ronettes", (Don't Worry Baby), rejected by Spector, actually Spector's ego, to go on an produce the tune for The Beach Boys, which becomes a hit. "Good Vibrations", produced by Wilson, invokes the "sound" achievable only by recording in different "rooms" (studios) in and around LA. In the dat, each studio had the capability if producing a specific "sound". This is based on the equipment in the control room an the natural acoustics of the area where the recordings took place. Wilsons genius is in his ability to create those unique sounds from each studio then combine them into one recording. While Spector "scoffs" at Wilsons productions as "edited", I urge the readers to understand Spector's efforts on the "Wall of Sound" is effected by over saturation of physical instrumentation and layering these into a mix, pushing the "one take" technique, which had existed as the traditional method of recording since the inception of the art. So Spector did nothing "new"! Wilson, on the other hand, Wilson figured out how to combine the acoustic properties of multiple studios into one extremely unique sound and, use a totally new instrument, the "theremin". Finally, Spector calling Wilson "coo coo"?
He should be singing "I'm not crazy, I'm just a little insane". ( but he's really a LOT insane lol)
Ironically, the "sound" is the same on all his records, which isn't a bad thing.
I'm just gonna echo some of you here... Phil might've impressed and inspired Brian on Be My Baby..but, other than that, Brian's pretty much the more superior musician and recording wiz/composer than Phil.
Man, even Paul McCartney hated what Phil did to his songs on Let It Be. When a Beatle hated what you did..that's not good.
he has the crazy wide open cocaine eyes
A very passive aggressive dig towards Brian Wilson, when Spector calls good vibrations not that great because it’s “an edit record”. He did some good stuff but the man was insane, and probably a very hurt,angry and disturbed individual who no doubt probably suffered some form of traumatic abuse as a child. You don’t pull guns out and threaten people or kill someone which we all know eventually happened if the person themselves isn’t someone who is hurting.
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Oh, so Good Vibrations isn't a good track without edits?
Okay, you wanna play like that? Fine.
How about God Only Knows? That's a masterpiece with or without edits! What do ya think about that, Phil?
Everyone knows he was a great producer but the guy was a violent narcissist from day one. Honestly, it’s just depressing to me that someone like that was revered for so many years, despite his abusive outbursts being well known (although obviously the full extent of his shittiness would not be known for many years). I hope we get to a point as a society where being talented and successful does not give you a free pass for to be an asshole.
Imagine your hero just shitting on you like this. Poor Brian, it’s painful to watch
Phil was great, and as Phil says, Brian was almost as great. What Phil could never figure out, however, was how I produced my random sounds track. It bugged him and drove him crazy, but I didn't want to show him how. I thought it best at some point if the master steps back and tests whether the student can progress a bit on his own.
It’s pretty fucked up that Brian has said for five decades that he loved Phil and and looked up to him only for Phil to shit on him in return. His “edit record” remarks are null and void considering The Beach Boys (and various BW bands) have performed all of those difficult classics live. Go watch them perform Good Vibrations on Ed Sullivan and you’ll know that their talent was not limited to studio tricks and magic. It’s a shame guys like Phil are so competitive, as it only hurts their legacy.
The lack of blinking seriously unnerve's me
Ah Phil Spector... such an inferiority complex, and rightfully so. Musically, compared to Brian, you were always a piece of dung unfit to grovel at his feet. You and your little three chord ditties never stood a chance next to Brian's musically sophisticated, creative genius. Phil Spector, delusions of grandeur personified.
Amen!
vampyros1 According to Brian Phil Spector was his idol . No Phil Spector no Brian Wilson . Brian's own words
this spector guy had no fucking idea where music was heading. Today any kid with an ipad can produce better quality music faster than he ever could have dreamed. thousands of dollars of studio time lol. the role of a producer has been diminished so completely. Have you listened to be my baby any time recently it "sounds" like shit. the melody and the harmony are still very catchy. somebody needs to cover it with modern equipment.
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vampyros1 this is a classic issue human beings possess. It's easy to view Brian Wilson as the good guy and Phil as the bad guy(the hero vs the villain). This is why human beings are programmed by theatre.
Funny how Phil picks Psycho...
Phil Spector in a blonde wig without blinking his eyes for 2 minutes straight telling us that Brian Wilson is crazy
Good Vibrations is better than almost any compositions Phil produced.
You think good vibrations is not a good record, its an edit record made with weird Instrument? I suppose SGT Peppers lonely harts club band is also a weird record in your opinion? And that weird instrument? It's called a theremin Phil, and it's commonly used in music. And I thought Mike Love was bad...
An edit record?? What does that even mean. Like Phil did no editing? Maybe it's more like Brian took his wall of sound and ran with it and surpassed what Phil had done. So maybe he's a bit jealous.
DAVID RUFFIN. TEMPTATIONS SINGER BEST SINGER ON EARTH. MY BROTHER PHIL SPECTOR IS LOONEY
DOESN'T THIS GUY BLINK ? ? ?
Phil Spector saying that Brian Wilson was “a little cuckoo”. That’s the pot calling the kettle black
bit rich of phil spector to be calling brian wilson crazy
Brian surpassed Phil by the age of 22. He’s too humble of a person to ever say it so I’ll say it for him.
Mad genius....the both of them. Brian may have fallen into his hole deeper not letting him work for periods of time but he never harmed anyone. So if we are judging it as a game and who won? 😆 Brian Wilson. But...they both produced great sounds and music.
Phil you were a genius! Amazing work
I agree. He was a genius. I dont care if he was crazy. His music is timeless...
I specifically only listen to music with no edits
Who cares what the murderer thinks? He doesn’t have a fraction of Wilson’s genius.
Sorry Phil, Brian > you. In every way.
Phil is right as usual. He isnt knocking Good Vibrations. He is more saying that Be My Baby and what Brian attempted to "compete" with concerning Phil's production arent even the same type recorded songs. Therefore a competition doesnt even exist or could it possibly exist.
I do get an underlying idea that Phil is not so much a fan of "edit songs" or films for that matter. Probably disliked Star Wars lol.
What Phil did in so many instances was not only to catch a complete magical take of the best songs he produced, but he also caught lightning in a bottle. This is impossible to replicate as to what he achieved in giving those songs a particular sound full of energy, bite and life.
Great songs, in Phil's understanding, are complete flowing works that say as much musically as through words. "Be My Baby", for example, leaves one with a feeling of what a girl wants and is excited for in a boy in a way that many of the best songs about a boy being crazy for a girl would. Not an easy feeling to put in a 3 minute or less time period.
I would absolutely disagree that Brian Wilsons production work makes Phil Spector seem like dog doo. That is so far revisionistic bullshit that it stinks without sitting foot in the studio. I love The Beach Boys and Brian Wilson. If anyone is a genius, Brian is. But just like Dylan in recent years, Brian has been near mythologized which is fine until that worship turns its fan fangs on a master at his art also such as Phil Spector was. I think, unfortunately so, Phils personal life has tainted his reputation also. Which in turn set fans somewhat against the man.
But purely musically speaking? Anyone who places Phil Spectors achievements as anything but genius level is simply talking out their backends.
What happened to the complete interviews? They've disappeared from youtube
Brian's mind/brain is a lot more developed and different from Phil's. Brian could come up with a complex songwriting, put together harmonies and instruments in a way that no other person on Earth has ever done. Especially not Phil. Sure he made a few rememberable pop songs, but that's it. It's just layers of instruments, whilst Brian not only had layers, but a way of putting those layers together, each layer being a song of its own. Take for instance Cabinessence, This whole world, Surf's up, the whole of Smile...
And (!): God only knows is certainly not an edit...
Besides Brian is a humble person - Phil a rotten egg...
Now where have we heard that before...? "I'm a genius too"... 😂🤬🤮
Brilliant! Given the chance I would’ve hung out with Phil Spector all day long... and as much as I love the Beach Boys I wouldn’t say that about Brian Wilson.
I'd much rather hang out with a beautiful and gentle soul like Brian than a murderous douche like Spector
Sometimes the student surpasses the teacher. Sorry phil, that’s the deal
R.I.P.
Phil was jealous you could smell it
All due respect.... 1. Every film is edited as are most songs. 2. You are an amazing producer,no one can take that from you. But you're just as "cooky" as he is...except he never killed anyone. Also, not for nothin "Good Vibrations" instrumentally surpasses anything you did...and he idolized you, wasnt in a race with you.. He was in a race with The Beatles.
He dizzed both Alfred Hitchcock and Brian Wilson in his response. He should have mentioned Hemingway and made it a trifecta. 🧨
What was the question again?
Wow, obvious jealousy and resentment there towards Brian. Who cares how Good Vibrations was made? The end justifies the means and it far surpassed Be My Baby. And putting down Little Deuce Coupe? Why? It’s a fun simple song and Brian was like 19 when he co-wrote it. Talk about jealousy and anger issues. No wonder he murdered that girl….
Why was Bruce Willis the judge?
keep waiting for his eyes to pop out so far they fall into his lap
At the end of this video I still wonder why nobody has noticed the fart by that baldman at 00:45
Yes, indeed, Phil's genius production technique (The Wall of Sound) was genuinely remarkable & unique, to say the least. It was a historical innovation that left its mark on the pop music broadcast era of the sixties.
This 1982 cult classic single (-A-side) has been unanimously accused of emulating Phil's Wall of Sound while also mimicking the songwriting style of the early Stones records.
ruclips.net/video/dldNpUbs8zo/видео.htmlsi=IaC09qx4_F6jijh2
Irony that you went to craziness after failure for River Deep Mountain High, at least Brian didn't kill people Phil
Good Vibrations is an “edit” record 😂😂😂😂😂
Brian Wilson is my son, don’t call my boy crazy and say that shit, he wasn’t even trying to race him :(((( sad boi owo
Spectre may be a narcissist...with murderer thrown in...but he was an important figure that helped evolve rock n rolls sound... Him, Wilson, the Beatles were breaking completely new ground... no certainty that it would work or be accepted. I wonder who does that these days?
Wow!!!
wait what did he do?
Phil at his creepy and crazy best; speaking of “edit” like it were a crime, such as murder.
I bet Phil Spector wasn't a fan of sampling and hip hop (if he thinks "edit records" are somehow less impressive ways of making music). I lik Phil's work from the late 50's through to the mid 60's but Brian Wilson did a lot more than just try to reach Phil's Wall of Sound and by late 1965 was more motivated by beating the Beatles than Phil Spector. In the end both Brian and Phil composed, produced and arranged 3 US number one singles but those Beach Boys albums like Pet Sounds , Smile (as per the 2011 Smile Sessions), Friends, Today! and even Surfer Girl and All Summer Long I'll listen to all the time but I almost never spin a Phil Spector record, except those later on when he produced other artists like John Lennon.
Lamento ver cómo un genio como Phil Spector ser tan narcisista,Brian superó a Phil en todo,el estudiante superó ampliamente al maestro,y si,probablemente el deterioró su salud mental (que recuperó con el tiempo) pero no es un psicópata,el no creo "be my baby",el creo el mejor álbum de la historia:PET SOUNDS
Spector got lucky,
He, for a short time, beat Motown, but Brian Wilson is 10 times the song writer Spector was.
Be My Baby was a great hit, but Pet Sounds proved Brian Wilson was superior
“Spector got lucky”. Of course he did. 😆 if he’d have had 1 hit then I’d agree but he had so many. You think The Beatles would have hired him and then Lennon and Harrison as solo artist if he was some talentless hack?
@@chrislancaster6456 I know it's a late response, but Phil Spector notoriously overproduced Let it Be after George Martin was pushed from the project. His work with Lennon I'm not sure, but his work with Harrison I absolutely hate. All Things Must Pass has so many great songs and playing, but they're so drowned out and undefined a la "the wall of sound" that you can't really appreciate any one part of the song since it all just blends together into one jumbled mess.
Good vibrations is better than anything spector ever made
Phil Spector's productions and songs are out of this world in comparison to any other artist or producer. they had that wow factor that make artists like Brian Wilson or Joey Ramone and even me stop dead in our tracks with astonishment. Modern music gets no better than Lennon/Spector. no producer alive or dead has captured the Magic in recording like Spector.
EGO....that'all i want to say.....
I hope Brian never saw this. What garbage.
All music now is “EDIT” music as Spector calls it here, and I say that objectively. I imagine Bach edited his way through his work as all artists do.
Specter produced “Unchained Melody” by the Righteous Brothers. Enough said.