The Forgotten Math Subject

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  • @rickwilson9747
    @rickwilson9747 Год назад +661

    Dear Math Sorcerer: We had a whole course in spherial trig in the US Army land survey school. We would go out at night and use our instruments to mesure angles and check our trig calculations. It was one to the most fun schools I ever had. we could predect the locations of stars. take care my friend

    • @TheMathSorcerer
      @TheMathSorcerer  Год назад +89

      Wow!!!

    • @dreamingfool2
      @dreamingfool2 Год назад +56

      I wish math was taught like this more often. The practical applications are more enjoyable and easier to grasp when used in the real world.
      I remember old books about math teachers that would teach math techniques by measuring trees in in the yard using shadows, engineering techniques by building tunnels in mounds of straw and hay, etc

    • @mrtienphysics666
      @mrtienphysics666 Год назад +26

      The Earth is approximately a sphere. This maths need to be taught - to anyone who lives on Earth.

    • @aomoussynonymous8712
      @aomoussynonymous8712 Год назад +10

      @@TheMathSorcerer I came to first know about the subject in high school when I used to watch Numb3rs an American T.V. series where F.B.I. takes help of a mathematician to solve various cases.

    • @fkxfkx
      @fkxfkx Год назад +3

      @@mrtienphysics666 a flat sphere though, right?

  • @gprimeofx
    @gprimeofx Год назад +261

    I already posted this on your previous video on the book that Ramanujan used to learn math, but spherical trigonometry is still taught at nautical academies to prospective navigators. Pilots learn the subject, too. Spherical trigonometry is seriously cool, you can't call yourself a navigator if you don't know this by heart 😄

    • @TheMathSorcerer
      @TheMathSorcerer  Год назад +23

      very cool:)

    • @guitaristxcore
      @guitaristxcore Год назад +3

      In your perspective could a person pick up Spherical Trig immediately after Plane Trig?

    • @marcopaolovaleriovezzoli5776
      @marcopaolovaleriovezzoli5776 Год назад +15

      Two stories where spherical trigonometry played a dramatic role: the spedition of Ernest Shakleton in Antartica and the Apollo 13 mission. In both cases people had to use this math subject to save their own lives, and had to perform calculations by hand.

    • @aaryan6019
      @aaryan6019 Год назад +2

      @@marcopaolovaleriovezzoli5776 Ooo Do you have any more details you could share? Perhaps a link to a website?

    • @marcopaolovaleriovezzoli5776
      @marcopaolovaleriovezzoli5776 Год назад +3

      @@aaryan6019I first Heard of Shackleton in a video documentary, but I have no link to It. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyage_of_the_James_Caird there is no explicit mention in this article but this can give an idea; the crew had to use sun and stars to understand their position in this travel.

  • @RobPearlman
    @RobPearlman Год назад +122

    I'm a Professional Land Surveyor and I had to do quite a bit of Spherical trig during my training. It can come up from time to time on very large projects!

    • @TheMathSorcerer
      @TheMathSorcerer  Год назад +12

      oh that's awesome!!

    • @trumanburbank6899
      @trumanburbank6899 Год назад +5

      I was just wondering if there are spherical trig textbooks which are disguised as such by the use of "Surveying" in the book title.

    • @beachbum77979
      @beachbum77979 Год назад +3

      @@trumanburbank6899 A well known book that includes astronomy and navigational math is named "The American Practical Navigator" originally by Nathaniel Bowditch. Most offshore mariners just call it Bowditch. My hard copy is 1000 8"1/2" X 11" pages, so it's a big book. It's a US govt. publication so it's not expensive in hardcover and it's also available as a free PDF.

    • @trumanburbank6899
      @trumanburbank6899 Год назад +1

      @@beachbum77979 Just took a look at that book (Bowditch). Wow. What an amazing book. Thank you.

    • @beachbum77979
      @beachbum77979 Год назад

      @@trumanburbank6899 You're welcome. I've had editions from before satellites but when radar was a thing as was LORAN (1942). I've had an edition from when the GPS constellation was being built (1984). The most recent hard cover edition I have is 1995 and I just downloaded the 2019 PDF. I look forward to seeing the changes again. I thank you for asking your question about "...spherical trig textbooks which are disguised..." I think Bowditch is exactly that, and more.

  • @mrspock2al
    @mrspock2al Год назад +95

    Back in the '60s, we had a brief intro to spherical trig in 10th grade. It was a combo course of plane & spherical trig and analytical geometry. No calculators except slide rules and really heavy with logarithms. Boy, did I learn a lot in that year.

  • @kevinreese5656
    @kevinreese5656 Год назад +10

    I'm a math teacher and sometimes amateur astronomer. Several years ago I got really into spherical (positional) astronomy, essentially that last chapter in Brink's text. Two good books on the subject are W. M. Smart's "Text-Book on Spherical Astronomy" (Cambridge UP, 1931) and Robin M. Green's "Spherical Astronomy" (Cambridge UP, 1985).

  • @sureshnair7732
    @sureshnair7732 Год назад +56

    In the Seventies, in India , Spherical Trig was there in my Civil Engineering mathematics. And used in Astronomy and Geodetic survey.
    We had thought it would be tougher than plane trig. But the formulas turned out to be quite similar to plane trig. 😀

    • @hunterhrs7238
      @hunterhrs7238 Год назад +1

      in surveying we study photogrammetry in advanced now

    • @thelonegerman2314
      @thelonegerman2314 Год назад

      By Spherical Geometry Do you mean Jacobian Matrix and Vector Algebra??

  • @tmann986
    @tmann986 Год назад +40

    Hey professor! I’ve been watching your content for about two years now and it has been so rough the week before finals. I was in tears last night because i tried to cram for multivariable calculus triple integrals, div and curl, line integrals ect and laplace transformations for diff eq. These are my last math classes thats required. I do not want to stop studying math. You’ve inspired me to start a RUclips channel and i want to make lecture series specifically on the first two years of math require for stem majors. I never want anyone to feel what i went through again. I’m just a engineering major tired of seeing his friends drop out of stem too. one day i want create my own math text books from pre calc to diff eq and linear algebra and make it free. Math and science are so freaking cool and i want to spread that love i have for the stem fields to everyone!

    • @bhubankheti1729
      @bhubankheti1729 Год назад +4

      All the best brother

    • @ExtraRaven_
      @ExtraRaven_ Год назад +4

      make your dreams come true, i believe in you

    • @squared8290
      @squared8290 Год назад +1

      Fantastic idea!!! Do it!!! Thanks you so much for your passion and drive, the world will benefit from it.

  • @sullivan3503
    @sullivan3503 Год назад +5

    We use spherical trigonometry in orbital mechanics. I used it when designing a satellite constellation for my senior project!

  • @briang.valentine4311
    @briang.valentine4311 Год назад +26

    The subject is sometimes taught within an undergraduate "applied mathematics for engineers" course. The subject appears in a 2-year college engineering technology curriculum.

    • @thelonegerman2314
      @thelonegerman2314 Год назад

      By Spherical Geometry Do you mean Jacobian Matrix and Vector Algebra??

    • @briang.valentine4311
      @briang.valentine4311 Год назад +3

      @@thelonegerman2314 No, it is the Riemannian geometry of surfaces with positive curvature.

  • @jacoblevin850
    @jacoblevin850 Год назад +10

    At a math camp, there were two courses taught by the same professor, one on Hyperbolic Geometry and the other on Spherical Trigonometry. They were meant to be taken consecutively, and were very interesting. This subject is important even to this day, so if you want to become any sort of astronomer or astrophysicist, you definitely need to learn this.

  • @clunsalientviews
    @clunsalientviews Год назад +3

    In the 1950s Spherical Geometry was a popular optional 'O' level subject. It aimed to give a mathematical background, on such items as Napier's Rules, to those preparing for entry to the Mechantile Marine at the deck cadet/apprentice entry point. Changes to technology and the contraction of the Merchant Navy led to a reduced popularity for this subject. Up until the early 2000s I was still running occasional courses on the subject for those starting to work on navigation systems and orbital dynamics at Higher Graduate level. I tended to have very bright, well qualified students who grasped the concepts very easily. Questions on Great Circles were frequently used on Selection Boards for personnel applying for jobs in these spheres of work.

  • @garyvaughan2648
    @garyvaughan2648 Год назад +5

    My step father told me stories of his Navy days when he was a quarter master on an aircraft carrier. He said he barely made it through high school and basic algebra. He said that he was befriended by a highly educated young officer. The officer helped him learn math up through Spherical Trigonometry. This helped him in his job to track and plot position the fleet and other ships of interest. The stories gave me hope I could attain similar levels of understanding of math. I was in middle school at the time. I went on to learn what is now called STEM. I really enjoy your videos and especially this one as it takes me back to a seminal and sentimental time in my life. I am 57 now. Thanks

  • @stuartfiller768
    @stuartfiller768 Год назад +6

    Indeed I have heard of spherical trigonometry. I found a book titled "Heavenly Mathematics: The Forgotten Art of Spherical Trigonometry", by Glen Van Brummelen.The author is described as "coordinator of mathematics and the physical sciences at Quest University Canada and president of the Canadian Society for History and Philosophy of Mathematics." It was copyrighted 2013 and was published by Princeton University Press. I have not worked my way through the book yet. I will do so in the future.

  • @vk1pe
    @vk1pe Год назад +1

    Yes, I studied spherical trig as an officer of the Royal Australian Navy in the 1970s learning astronomical navigation. Years later, one of my Sailors asked me to teach it to him. I re-studied, and did that to his and my satisfaction.

  • @saltyroe3179
    @saltyroe3179 Год назад +3

    Dad had spherical geometry in conjunction to learning celestial navigation. Before GPS celestial navigation was based on spherical geometry. In practice, tables and construction were used to solve for position.

  • @WillieTBoilsooker
    @WillieTBoilsooker Год назад +4

    The first words spoken by my lecturer in Principles of Navigation at Leith Nautical College to the class in 1976 were: "For the purposes of navigation, we can consider the Earth to be at the centre of a sphere of infinite proportions."
    I wasn't keen on Maths at the time, but these words got me hooked and I loved this subject.

  • @kellychuba
    @kellychuba Год назад +3

    Mass Maritime grad and trig tutor. Awesome refresher! I think we learned from Spherical Trigonometry with Naval and Military Applications. I wish I kept the book. Nautical miles, kids.

  • @AlongtheRiverLife
    @AlongtheRiverLife Год назад +7

    Great video. I have a Plane Trigonometry book, my grandfather's, from the 40's, when he worked at Union Carbide. No cover, just pages of the book. Very delicate.

  • @ILoveMaths07
    @ILoveMaths07 Год назад +17

    I really like this book. I love the way it's written - everything is so clear and easy to understand. Thanks for sharing this priceless beauty!

    • @TheMathSorcerer
      @TheMathSorcerer  Год назад +1

      ☺️☺️

    • @thelonegerman2314
      @thelonegerman2314 Год назад +1

      By Spherical Geometry Do you mean Jacobian Matrix and Vector Algebra Using The Triangle Equality ??

    • @billmorrigan386
      @billmorrigan386 Год назад +2

      @@thelonegerman2314 No, absolutely not. Just like elementary geometry is not the same as analytic geometry.

  • @tjsogmc
    @tjsogmc Год назад +1

    Yes, I've not only heard of spherical trigonometry, I took a class on it. Well, not specifically that topic as such, but it was a course on using the sextant for navigation and it's basically all celestial sphere trig.

  • @diegoribeiro618
    @diegoribeiro618 Год назад +25

    Had it loosely mentioned in high school. Back in late 80s / early 90s used it in cartography and astronomy course in college. It's beautiful and very useful in this context and even when I used GIS like Esri geoprocessing tools, decades later.

    • @thelonegerman2314
      @thelonegerman2314 Год назад

      By Spherical Geometry Do you mean Jacobian Matrix and Vector Algebra??

    • @thelonegerman2314
      @thelonegerman2314 Год назад

      By Spherical Geometry Do you mean Jacobian Matrix and Vector Algebra Using The Triangle Equality ??

    • @diegoribeiro618
      @diegoribeiro618 Год назад +1

      @@thelonegerman2314 Nope, much less than this, just concepts and basic applications, it was in basic years and there was a lot of ground to cover. But maybe for inferring ridge lines (I remember we used polynomial interpolation, so it would be easy to differentiate), I really do not remember.

  • @valkhorn
    @valkhorn Год назад +3

    We covered a bit of spherical trig when dealing with multivariable calculus. I don't remember a lot, but I do remember that it wasn't as bad as I thought and lots of spherical things can be greatly simplified with trig.

    • @thelonegerman2314
      @thelonegerman2314 Год назад

      By Spherical Geometry Do you mean Jacobian Matrix and Vector Algebra Using The Triangle Equality ?? Or Multivariate Calculus?

  • @020nils
    @020nils Год назад +30

    I accidentally went from 85kg to 65kg when i started pushing math really hard. So this resonates with me.

    • @peamutbubber
      @peamutbubber Год назад +2

      Nice

    • @imnimbusy2885
      @imnimbusy2885 Год назад +9

      What’s a mathematicians favourite exercise?
      ‘Curl’ing a Vector Function

    • @shrutiw.6904
      @shrutiw.6904 Год назад

      So you didn't eat when you were hungry?

  • @N269
    @N269 Год назад +2

    Excellent - just pulled out my 1964 copy of Principles of Marine Navigation (D. A. Moore). Back to rehab math! 👍

  • @ch0wned
    @ch0wned Год назад +1

    Very important for understanding spherical harmonics, which is totally essential to understand subatomic behavior and the quantum nature of chemical bonding, as well as Photonics.

  • @byronservies4043
    @byronservies4043 Год назад +1

    I have Kells, L, Kern, W, Bland, J. (1942, 1st ed., 5th imp), "Spherical Trigonometry with Naval and Military Applications with Tables". I bought it at a library book sale when I was in High School, and it's great. Just for fun, the contents:
    1. Logarithms
    2. Review of Plane Trigonometry
    3. The Right Spherical Triangle
    4. Elementary Applications (e.g. course and distance, Mercator charts)
    5. The Oblique Spherical Triangle
    6. Applications (find the time of sunrise, time of day, misc exercises
    Tables of Computed Altitude and Azimuth
    Lines of Position
    Circles of Equal Altitudes
    Aerial Navigation
    App A - The Mil
    App B -The Range Finder
    App C - Stereographic projections, etc
    App D - Vectors, Relative Movement
    Index
    ANSWERS !!!
    Five Place Logarithmic and Trigonometric Tables (116 pages of tables)
    Table 1 - Common Logarithms
    Table 2 - Logarithms of Trigonometric Functions
    Table 3 - Trigonometric Functions

  • @ddognine
    @ddognine Год назад +27

    While it is true that this isn't taught much anymore, anyone who has to deal with maps will know the special problems that they present in spherical coordinates. I vividly recall a chemistry lecture where the professor derived spherical coordinates from Cartesian coordinates. It took the entire lecture, and I was in awe when he finished. I have those notes squirreled away somewhere.

    • @guitaristxcore
      @guitaristxcore Год назад +2

      Out of curiosity, why did your chem professor do that? Does trig or spherical trig play a role understanding molecular bonds and chemical reactions?
      Im not trying to be snarky, Ive never taken a chemistry course, so I honestly dont know.

    • @Kitty_Kankles
      @Kitty_Kankles Год назад

      a similar thing happened in my physics class as well

  • @johncrwarner
    @johncrwarner Год назад +3

    I remember reading a book
    called "Gödel's Proof"
    by Nagel and Newman.
    I bought it in Heffer's in Cambridge
    when I was seventeen
    It used the three geometries
    Euclidean, hyperbolic and spherical
    as analogies for axiomatic systems.
    Spherical geometry was barely mentioned
    but that was my only contact with it.
    43 years ago.

    • @thelonegerman2314
      @thelonegerman2314 Год назад

      Do you Mean NP Completeness of Computational Sets??

    • @thelonegerman2314
      @thelonegerman2314 Год назад

      By Spherical Geometry Do you mean Jacobian Matrix and Vector Algebra Using The Triangle Equality ??

    • @johncrwarner
      @johncrwarner Год назад

      @@thelonegerman2314
      No in the book which I still have on two pages in this thin popularisation
      of Gödel's Proof
      in the chapter on "The Problem of Consistency"
      There is reference to Riemannian geometry being reducible to the geometry of a Euclidean sphere.
      I in my seventeen year old mind see that as
      spherical geometry.
      I recommend reading the book it is short
      and clear explanation of Gödel's Proofs.

    • @johncrwarner
      @johncrwarner Год назад

      @@thelonegerman2314
      No I mean the reduction of non-Euclidean geometry to Euclidean via spherical Euclidean geometry.
      The book isn't even 100 pages long
      and aimed at the general public.
      It referenced spherical Euclidean geometry
      and that was my sole encounter with it.

  • @USS_Relativity
    @USS_Relativity Год назад +2

    its a part of Space and Tech 3rd term lesson.Replaced by W. M. SMART's Celestial Mechanics

  • @michaelhandy4018
    @michaelhandy4018 Год назад +3

    People who know Spherical Trig
    1. Professional Surveyors, Navigators, and Astronomers
    2. People really into Kerbal Space Program

  • @trumanburbank6899
    @trumanburbank6899 Год назад +1

    In the 70's I frequented Holmes Bookstore in Oakland, California. So many old books! I really miss that place.

  • @weepingfrenchman5620
    @weepingfrenchman5620 Год назад +3

    I was introduced to spherical trig in an introductory astronomy course for astronomy majors. The text we used was Spherical Astronomy by W M Smart.

  • @paulkurilecz4209
    @paulkurilecz4209 Год назад +1

    The figures that you see in the book are done on a drafting table with straight edge, dividers and compass. I used to teach these methods.

  • @planner37
    @planner37 Год назад +2

    Another land surveyor here. I have a book in my library called "Spherical Astronomy" by Robin M. Green, Cambridge University Press, 1985. Similar subject as this video with a practical math application leaning towards astronomy.
    Back in the good old days before GPS we used to do star shots at night which involved setting a transit instrument on a control monument and measuring the angle to Polaris from a reference monument to derive North relative to our monument pair.
    These days I have a textbook on the Global Positioning System which delves as far into the geodetic mathematics as one cares to go. It's an interesting subject, I'll have to dig it out of the boxes in the garage as soon as I have time, LOL. By the way, as a fellow bibliophile, I love your videos.

  • @ntesla66
    @ntesla66 Год назад +3

    Yes I've heard about it and learned about it... use case: celestial navigation and astronomy.

  • @thomasgreene5750
    @thomasgreene5750 Год назад

    I learned spherical trigonometry while sailing around the Caribbean on a sailboat. It is the mathematics behind celestial navigation at sea. I took along a book my father used when studying navigation in the Army Air Corps during WWII, and I made a study of it over a period of a couple of months.
    We had three GPS units aboard as well as a sextant, navigation tables, and a nautical almanac. On passages, we would make celestial fixes and compare them to GPS fixes. As a result, if a lightning strike ever knocked out the electronics on a long passage, we knew we would be able to navigate.
    The study of spherical trig and Bowditch while cruising around the islands allowed me to understand the math and the approximations behind the navigation tables used in celestial navigation. It also gave me an appreciation for the power and convenience of GPS: four star sights and a half-hour of math could fix our position within a mile or two, and a glance at the GPS could fix our position within a boat length. (Although, especially in the Caribbean, most navigation charts were less accurate than the GPS.)

  • @mskiptr
    @mskiptr Год назад +2

    Seeing the thumbnail, I was expecting this to introduce something analog to regular trigonometric functions but based on steradians instead of normal (flat) angle measures. During introduction I switched to thinking it will be about non-euclidean trigonometry.

  • @kurtjk01
    @kurtjk01 Год назад +1

    My mom has two Trig books from college, basic and this one. I borrowed and played around with them after I finished college, but I only did a one-time read and work-through so I could get the gist of it . . . And, to be blunt, that was the very early 90s, by which point 3d computer modeling was a real thing. But I do like the idea of doing math for math's sake, just to keep brushed up on the rusty areas I don't use as much anymore, and to keep my brain in good working order. Thanks!

  • @andrewcameron5495
    @andrewcameron5495 Год назад +4

    It's pretty funny that you mention how math makes you hungry, because I was doing some review for my upcoming analysis exam and I decided to take my math snack break as I watch this video!

  • @squared8290
    @squared8290 Год назад +1

    Very, very interesting, thank you! Spherical trigonometry is the foundation of incredibly important things such as navigation. I wonder if fluency in this subject is however also critical or at least very helpful in other subjects as well such as physics. I say this because so many of the concepts we learn are in one dimension when in actuality they most frequently occur in three. If we turn to Quantum Mechanics, sometimes more complex problems are collapsed to one dimension by viewing the dynamics of the system through the lens of the norm of a radius, hence one dimension, as opposed to radial movement and scattering that in reality occur in three dimensions. Given the spherical or at least "spherical in a moment" nature of so much in nature, I'm thinking this is perhaps a "must-have" skill for many of us!

  • @jcquints3364
    @jcquints3364 Год назад +17

    i'm currently enrolled in a review program for civil engineering in our country, and surprisingly, this is one of the topics! really had fun with it because it's new for me. i didn't know this isn't common math anymore :(

  • @gibbyrockerhunter
    @gibbyrockerhunter Год назад +1

    I watched this a few days ago and was able to track down a copy for $12. I can’t wait for it to come. Thanks for the info and book. I wouldn’t have known it existed with out you.

    • @TheMathSorcerer
      @TheMathSorcerer  Год назад +2

      Wow that is awesome

    • @gibbyrockerhunter
      @gibbyrockerhunter Год назад

      @@TheMathSorcerer it is. Trig is the most beautiful math in my opinion.
      I know in my time the what, why and how’s of math being taught has changed a bit. It’s crazy to realize how much more is out there I am completely unfamiliar with. The evolution and older types really intrigue me.
      Side bar- I’m sure you are already familiar with Tom Lehrer, but if not, treat yourself and look up his song “new math”. He was a pretty cool guy and I really enjoy that song.
      Thanks again!

  • @levav8
    @levav8 Год назад +3

    We studied some spherical geometry in highschool astrophysics class. I think this isn't tought in a maths degree because most of the knowledge is probably contained in complex analysis/ differential geometry. We also don't really study normal highschool geometry in uni anymore, I guess for similar reasons.

  • @KMMOS1
    @KMMOS1 Год назад +3

    This video brings to mind the lost calculator -- the slide rule. How about a video on that subject?

  • @michaelcataldo5127
    @michaelcataldo5127 Год назад

    This book and your description remind me of marine and aviation navigation prior to GPS. Many years ago, I solved a system of spherical trig. equations for maritime great circle sailing. I used a handheld calculator and it still took hours. For the last six or more decades GPS provides solutions continuously.

  • @dudermcdudeface3674
    @dudermcdudeface3674 Год назад +1

    It's folded pretty well into astronomy courses. Always seemed like an intuitive extension of plane trig.

  • @DrBillPezzaglia
    @DrBillPezzaglia Год назад +1

    I have a similar 1940 book that my father learned spherical trig during officer training in the Navy. Myself, I needed it to understand celestial mechanics. Before computers, we had to do calculations by hand to know where to point the telescope.

  • @daveturnbull7221
    @daveturnbull7221 Год назад

    As @Rick Wilson said, this is taught to military land surveyors. This was used extensively to construct a highly accurate network of points (first order points) when surveying large areas. This network would then be filled in with a less accurate network of points (second order points) and so on until there was a sufficiently dense network.

  • @glenmartin2437
    @glenmartin2437 Год назад

    Thank you.
    I took a math course my senior year of high school that included spherical geometry and trigonometry.
    There were no college or university courses in either area of mathematics at the various universities and colleges I attended. It is still used in surveying, navigation, plotting trajectories of rockets, artillery shells, satellites, etc.

  • @nereidsprite
    @nereidsprite Год назад

    Thank you so much! My father loved math and went to the U.S. Merchant Marine Academy where I think he majored in Celestial Navigation. He talked about Spherical Trig from time to time. He might have even used this textbook since he went to college from the late forties to the early fifties.

  • @xaviergonzalez5828
    @xaviergonzalez5828 Год назад +3

    I have learned it on my own! It's a nice subject but I'd like to apply in navigation but my engineering degree is far away from that. Nice video Sir!!

  • @gilbertpasiona1058
    @gilbertpasiona1058 Год назад +2

    Yes, I have taken it back in the University. I have a brief introduction into that when I was in college and had a deeper continuation of it in my Masters classes ... 2001 and 2009 respectively.

  • @northerncaptain855
    @northerncaptain855 Год назад +1

    Spherical Trig is the basis of celestial navigation which was and to some extent still is studied in nautical colleges around the world by future ships deck officers. As a young merchant ship officer in the early 70’s predating satellite navigation we lived and died by celestial navigation. It is still a prerequisite to licensing.

    • @prashantprakash3172
      @prashantprakash3172 Год назад

      Your post took me down memory lane. A retired Master Mariner myself, I remember studying spherical trigonometry as a cadet. It was essential for calculating sights and studying Principles of Navigation.

  • @user-er1eq9nw7e
    @user-er1eq9nw7e Год назад +3

    It's very useful in Astronomy and navigation.

  • @cosmic.e
    @cosmic.e Год назад

    There is a selective high school program in the States since 1959, the "Summer Science Program". The astrophysics division deals with determining the orbit of asteroids. We were given an accelerated introduction to spherical trigonometry as one of the methods to complete our task. I remember getting strong headaches, as I usually do when I learn something new, but oh how fulfilling it was when I got the hang of it! Spherical trigonometry is a terrific subject for the visually-oriented math and physics lovers.

  • @ass09tube
    @ass09tube Год назад +1

    Whooa! Had this paper in honors year in undergraduate studies together with astronomy. Fascinating proofs. Took few days to visualize that sum of the angles of spherical triangle is more than 180 degrees. It just didn't sink in initially. Thanks for sharing.

  • @ronaldjorgensen6839
    @ronaldjorgensen6839 10 месяцев назад

    was one of the books i promised to revisit when in school would have forgotten without your tube thanks of course i do not recall why i needed it so bad

  • @jgt2598
    @jgt2598 Год назад

    Spherical trig is used in GN&C (guidance, navigation, and control) for aerospace applications. Specifically the more "modern" version that makes use of quaternions.

  • @raymondfrye5017
    @raymondfrye5017 Год назад

    @The Math Sorcerer: I learned on my own Spherical Trigonometry because I always liked Celestial Mechanics. I obtained an online copy of Spher trig. With miltary and naval applications. All these texts are from the turn of the last century: 1880's to 1945. I even got one on Spherical Geometry and astronomy by several German and Hindu professors. These subjects are still taught in India and the East.

  • @williambranch4283
    @williambranch4283 Год назад

    "The VNR Concise Encyclopedia of Mathematics" is my goto for traditional math. Covers math pedagogy up thru middle college level for math majors, covering all elementary and practical topics as well as intros to senior level topics like functional analysis. Has its own chapter on spherical trig ... so yes I knew this topic existed. "Mathematics Form And Function" is my goto for senior level maths. "Structure And Interpretation of Computer Programs" is my goto for computer science. I also have the printed version of the CRC Concise Encyclopedia Of Mathematcs.

  • @bobbrown5726
    @bobbrown5726 6 месяцев назад

    Spherical trigonometry can be used in the design and analysis of bevel gears. This was done by an engineer I worked with who learned spherical trig in the Navy, during WW-II

  • @saidthemute3278
    @saidthemute3278 Год назад +3

    If you're interested a different - and classical - approach to spherical trigonometry, "Heavenly Mathematics" by Brummelen develops the subject ruler and compass style while discussing the history of Ancient Greek and Arabic astronomy. The book mostly follows Ptolemy's Almagest. I also have the first edition of Schaum's Outline of Trigonometry (1954) which is actually subtitled "Plane and Spherical" - the chapters dedicated to spherical trigonometry were simply cut out at a later edition (I have the 5th edition too).

  • @wallacegueits6324
    @wallacegueits6324 Год назад +3

    A great topic. I was first exposed it reading the Bowditch (American practical navigator) in the Navy. You can find both volumes for free online from NGA. Bored on watch as quartermaster and not knowing any calculus at the time, I was trying to estimate the total waterspace assigned to our unit, which although rectangular, the calculation of it was not so simple when you take into account the deformation of the shape as it is superimposed on a sphere. Turns out there are great analytical solutions with Napiers' rules/spherical excess to these types of problems that completely avoid the use of messy double integrals and polar coordinates.

  • @kthwkr
    @kthwkr Год назад +1

    Those diagrams were made by a draftsman with ink and paper on a drawing table with many unique drawing tools. I did drawings just like that in 1968 in a drawing course for college. And the professional guys at the research center at college made drawings even more perfect. Also, there are some Spherical Trigonometry books scanned for free download from the 1880's and the drawings are equally good.
    You young whipper snappers would be amazed what we could do back in the days. :)

  • @CedarAce1000
    @CedarAce1000 Год назад

    Everyone's already talked about naval and civil uses for spherical trig, but I figured I'd shine light on another use: astronomy! In observational astronomy, we deal with many different spherical coordinate systems, and spherical trig is indispensable for coordinate conversions. It's also extremely useful for solving problems like the distance between two stars, "A star is directly overhead in Naples at [this time] and later directly overhead in Mexico City at [this time]. What is the greatest latitude at which it will be directly overhead?", And considering things like the motion of the stars, planets, and sun in our sky.

  • @FelixWarren
    @FelixWarren Год назад +4

    Probably the diagrams would have been hand-drawn with ruling pens. I was taught how to do it in my graphic design schooling in 1999, might have been one of the last classes in that program to still learn how to do that since computers were just about to take over and the skill of using a ruling pen was largely useless by then. Makes very clear and clean lines with precise width that doesn't vary. Combine with stencils, rulers and compass and you can draw any complex design you like. Using a ruling pen was incredibly difficult and required a very steady hand and rigid attention to detail and process.

    • @argonwheatbelly637
      @argonwheatbelly637 Год назад +1

      I still remember how to use a drafting kit. It is a lost art.

  • @lyingcat9022
    @lyingcat9022 7 месяцев назад

    “The American Practice Navigator” aka “Bowditch”
    Still updated and in print today and free on line. First published in 1802 and written by Nathaniel Bowditch.
    This is where I learned about spherical trigonometry and celestial navigation. Very interesting history and subject in general:) Bowditch is was a fascinating and brilliant mathematician that was a major contributor to tons of stuff we take for granted today.

  • @AlbertTheGamer-gk7sn
    @AlbertTheGamer-gk7sn Год назад +1

    This is also known as, "3D Trigonometry". This involves extending the unit circle to 3 dimensions, so therefore, you will need 2 angles to input to get your trigonometric ratios. The first angle is usually called, "Theta", and the second is called, "Phi". It could be taught in multivariable calculus.

    • @thelonegerman2314
      @thelonegerman2314 Год назад

      By Spherical Geometry Do you mean Jacobian Matrix and Vector Algebra Using The Triangle Equality ?? Delta

  • @OrdenJust
    @OrdenJust Год назад +3

    Project Gutenberg has online a book on spherical trigonometry by Todhunter.
    Also, have you ever looked into Bowditch's American Practical Navigator?

  • @ianbruce6515
    @ianbruce6515 Год назад

    I studied up on spherical trigonometry to write a sight reduction program for my programmable calculator, to use with my sextant. (just for fun. You could purchase a pre-programed navigators calculator at that time).
    I was crew on a charter yacht back then-- before satellite navigation and GPS. I used an out of print copy of the Bowditch's American Practical Navigator that I found at the New York Public Library. The coastal navigation volume was still in print but I couldn't find the volume covering Celestial Navigation at the time--and that was the one I needed to understand the spherical trig.
    It's a pretty cool study! You can do the math to find your latitude by measuring the height of the sun above the horizon, using plane geometry.
    To find your Longitude by taking sextant sights of the sun, moon and stars at other times of day--you need to use Spherical Geometry. (Actually, by using various tables, it can be done by the non-mathematical navigator without understanding the principles). But it is much more fun to actually understand how it all works!

  • @Nowakattack
    @Nowakattack Год назад

    I'm actually taking a course on the history of astronomy and gravitational motion. The celestial sphere was conceived in ancient Greece, when the Earth was thought to be the unmoving center of the universe (but obviously still a round sphere, not flat). One could conceive of all the stars in the sky as lying on an invisible sphere that domes over the earth and rotates once every 24 hrs. The Sun, the Moon and the planets were in a special class (ancient Greek "planetos", wandering stars) that sat on different rings within the sphere.
    This model was used up to Copernicus. The coolest math used by ancient astronomers involving the celestial sphere has to be Ptolemy, who contrived of all kinds of tools to measure star angles and model orbits before people came around to the heliocentric system.

  • @mp3lwgm
    @mp3lwgm Год назад +3

    There are several books on Spherical Trig offered on Amazon, some of which are recent; so the subject is hardly forgotten.

    • @thelonegerman2314
      @thelonegerman2314 Год назад

      By Spherical Geometry Do you mean Jacobian Matrix and Vector Algebra Using The Triangle Equality ??

  • @wrekced
    @wrekced Год назад

    Hey! You just made me dig out my copy of "Plane and Spherical Trigonometry" McGraw-Hill 1934! I had to get out the box of math books I could not fit on my bookshelves... Thanks!

  • @albertbatfinder5240
    @albertbatfinder5240 Год назад +1

    I had occasion to delve into spherical geometry when I had to write programs to trawl geographical coordinates to find points with various bounded shapes, points outside boundaries, distances between points and smallest enclosing circles. And yeah, I found this small but well defined little world of maths I’d never encountered before.

    • @thelonegerman2314
      @thelonegerman2314 Год назад

      By Spherical Geometry Do you mean Jacobian Matrix and Vector Algebra Using The Triangle Equality ??

  • @sophiaisabelle01
    @sophiaisabelle01 Год назад +2

    We appreciate how much information we receive from videos like this. May God bless you no matter what.

  • @dark8raskolbeth
    @dark8raskolbeth Год назад +3

    Barron's Trigonometry has a chapter devoted to spherical trigonometry.

  • @BillRicker
    @BillRicker Год назад

    One of my favorite books is Burington's Handbook of Mathematical Tables and Formulas, published post-WW2 for the training of new engineers and scientists in and out of the military. It wasn't exactly this book that convinced Dad to change majors but he found it odd that a PoliSci major planning to be a town manager needed to take Drafting and learn surveying. I have this book, my Mom's slide-rule, and my F-i-L's CRC HB of Chem & Phys, inter alia. I taught myself trig to work out bills of materials for Bucky Fuller Geodesic Domes that were never built, so i was starting with Spherical and working backwards!
    The history of geodesy and related arts in which the curvature of the earth is non-trivial is something of an ongoing interest.
    When next you're in Boston, we've got a Spherical Trig history site for you.

  • @victormurphy3511
    @victormurphy3511 Год назад +1

    For my Mathematics undergraduate degree I did my fyp on Spherical Trig. It was called Measuring Heaven & Earth, the Mathematics of traversing the oceans.

  • @zolar7a
    @zolar7a Год назад +1

    I swear I stumbled across that exact book in my high school library (back in the 80s). Somebody must have donated it. I remember paging through it and looking at the diagrams. In the days before GPS spherical trigonometry was fundamental to navigation.

  • @mikelong9638
    @mikelong9638 Год назад

    I also used spherical trig in land surveying classes. The earth is a sphere (or at least a spheroid) and any measurements on its surface, except for very small areas, will need to be treated accordingly.

  • @Mathematica702
    @Mathematica702 Год назад +2

    I am a chess player; used to prepare for tournaments & take the game very serious. I can attest to the fact that playing chess can reach levels of intensity that are insane & burns massive amounts of calories and can be particularly hard on the body, especially the nervous system. Physical training has been tenet of professional chess at least since Botvinnik’s Russian school for this very reason. Competitively, physical conditioning can give one an edge if long games test endurance. Now, I don’t find this so much with math. Here is my theory: on a visceral level chess is a fight against an opponent. On a deep level this translates into greater allocation of energy resources to the brain & nervous system. We get greater stress, cortisol, & autonomic activity paired with rushes of dopamine. It’s a fight.

    • @argonwheatbelly637
      @argonwheatbelly637 Год назад +1

      Chess is life. Learned it when I was four years old. It's something we did in my family.

  • @BlueGiant69202
    @BlueGiant69202 Год назад

    I got interested in Spherical Trigonometry in the late 1980's as a result of reading material by R. Buckminster Fuller. Mr Fuller was trained by the U.S. Navy and worked with a boat during WW2. Mr. Fuller used Spherical geometry in his Geodesic Dome calculations and published some educational material on Spherical geometry in his 2 volume book 'Synergetics'. I located one of Mr. Brink's books at a local University library. Most University libraries have very few books on Spherical Trigonometry but there is some material in books on Geodesy and in New Foundations for Classical Mechanics by David Hestenes. I've seen that thin 1942 book at another University library that has another book by Mr. Brink that seems to be based on the 1942 book but printed especially for sailors. That library put most books from the 20th century in a high density archive off campus so it can't be stumbled across anymore.

  • @drewtothebags
    @drewtothebags Год назад +1

    Most excellent! Thanks for taking the time to make this video. I'd like to find that book. I came across spherical trigonometry while working on a personal project. I used it to determine cardinal East as it rises on the horizon given my location on Earth.

  • @someonespadre
    @someonespadre Год назад

    I found a copy of Dr. Bruhns Logarithm Tables. His writing in the preface is much more lyrical. Also found a book of logarithmic sines, cosines, tangents and cotangents. Fun stuff, ingenious stuff they have in there.

  • @farmergiles1065
    @farmergiles1065 Год назад

    A circle is mathematically a special kind of ellipse. An ellipse has two "centers" called foci. Pick any third point not on the line between the two foci. Add the distances of the third point to the two foci. The third point, and all the other points in the same plane whose sum is the same as that sum, form an ellipse. Extend the line between the foci to the two points where it intersects the ellipse. That is the major axis. Get the midpoint between the foci and draw the line perpendicular to the major (larger) axis, and where that intersects the ellipse it forms the minor (smaller) axis. Move the foci away from each other, and a new ellipse is formed that is more distended: slimmer and longer. Move them towards each other and the new ellipse is more rounded. Move them to the same location and the ellipse becomes a circle with its center at that location. Then the ellipse-defining "distance" is twice the circle's radius.
    Take two perpendicular diameters of a circle and spin the circle around one of the diameters, and you create a sphere. Take an ellipse and spin it around the major axis and you get an ellipsoid. Presto, you have spherical geometry (and trigonometry) extended to the general case.
    And *that* study is pretty much a core for orbital dynamics, so fundamental to space flight, astronomy, and motions of heavenly bodies, but not restricted to the Earth-as-center. Rather, it focuses on *two* objects that define one related, joined system. The "distances" are directly related to the gravitational pulls that each exerts on the other.

  • @xy101
    @xy101 Год назад +3

    Plane and spherical trigonometry by Frank Ayres, Jr. is a great book

  • @Foon2Death
    @Foon2Death Год назад +1

    dove in here to see the comments from fellow land surveying/geomatics/GIS person. Happy to see it.

  • @CarFreeSegnitz
    @CarFreeSegnitz Год назад +1

    I did a term paper in my advanced Math 10 class in 1984 on Spherical Trig. My father, a land surveyor, had daily experience with the subject and several textbooks. I didn’t see the subject again until a third-year university geometry course.

  • @williamkuhns2387
    @williamkuhns2387 Год назад

    Spherical trig was (GPS has mostly replaced it) used for celestial navigation to find your location in the open ocean. After taking a noon day shot of the sun (number of degrees, minutes and tenths of minutes the sun is above the visible horizon) using a sextant.

  • @isaacjohnson8752
    @isaacjohnson8752 Год назад +1

    I’ve heard of spherical trigonometry because I’m interested in physics history. I first heard about it in reference to Caroline Herschel being a very gifted at spherical trigonometry. Which was a vital mathematics for astronomers, as the book discusses. Caroline did nearly all the calculations and recording while William, her brother, did the observing. This was the sinking duo who first knowingly discovered Uranus.

  • @josephshaddix6119
    @josephshaddix6119 Год назад

    I was introduced to spherical trig using bubble sextants for land navigation as a member of the Ranger LRRP. Still use it today 50 years later. I don’t need no stinkin GPS 😊

  • @EvilDaveCanada
    @EvilDaveCanada Год назад +1

    I remember it was covered in high school math in the mid 1970s.
    I still kinda remember how to convert polar coordinates to spherical coordinates. This type of math was covered and tested for on the final exams in Canada during that time period. I was born in 1960.

    • @thelonegerman2314
      @thelonegerman2314 Год назад

      By Spherical Geometry Do you mean Jacobian Matrix and Vector Algebra Using The Triangle Equality ??

    • @EvilDaveCanada
      @EvilDaveCanada Год назад

      @@thelonegerman2314 I'm a old man, I can't remember all the funky names they called things back in Junior/Senior High School !! That was back in the 1970s!! Elementary School was in the late 1960s !!

  • @malcolmmcgrath9344
    @malcolmmcgrath9344 Год назад +2

    About 5 days ago I came across a vid on sin cos and tan and having watched it I sort of understood it. That was amazing as I was an awful student 40 years ago. So five days later I am coming to terms with such things as the law of sines, Heron's Formula, similarity and super hexagons. I am actually finding it fun, it certainly was not fun 40 years ago. Maybe spherical geometry next.

    • @TheMathSorcerer
      @TheMathSorcerer  Год назад +1

      Yeah it’s way more interesting and fun when there is no pressure!! 😎

  • @thefourthbrotherkaramazov245
    @thefourthbrotherkaramazov245 Год назад +3

    The celestial sphere part is so freaking cool

  • @scottcampbell7944
    @scottcampbell7944 Год назад +1

    I have that book. Spherical trig is necessary to develop programs to track satellites.

  • @wescraven2606
    @wescraven2606 Год назад +6

    I have a book from 1942 called Plane and Spherical Trigonometry by Paul R. Rider. It has a nice faded blue cover. There is a book that has been on my wish list for about 10 years called Heavenly Mathematics: The Forgotten Art of Spherical Trigonometry. It always looked interesting its just a little pricey for me and I already have so many books. It looks like it covers a lot of the history of it which I always enjoy. If I can get it at a lower price I'll probably grab it.
    I noticed in a previous video you had The Probability Tutor by Carol Ash on your lower book shelf. I was wondering how you liked that book?

    • @bardmadsen6956
      @bardmadsen6956 Год назад

      There is one on Abe books for $13.71 + $2.99 for shipping.

  • @Hrishiraj2003
    @Hrishiraj2003 Год назад +1

    We seafarers know it's of paramount importance to us and our manual and automatic navigation is literally entirely based on it.

  • @leocomerford
    @leocomerford Год назад +10

    I seem to recall seeing a Chinese university-entrance exam (this would have been about a decade ago now) which featured a lot of pretty intense-looking spherical trig questions. So maybe it’s still a big focus of secondary-level maths there, or was until quite recently? Maybe someone who has experience of the system out there could let us know?

  • @slavonski23
    @slavonski23 10 месяцев назад

    As a high school student who loves astronomy, this topic is so freaking important to us! All the time we have to calculate the position of the Sun or any star im general, we use it!

  • @rslitman
    @rslitman Год назад

    In the 1980s, I worked for a company that had a lot of retired military officers. We had a technical library in the building. Some of the titles were donated by employees who had acquired them along the way in their education or career path. As someone who loves to spend a lot of time doing math, I looked to see if there were any math books in QA (if they used Library of Congress system) or 510 (if they used Dewey Decimal) of interest to me.
    A book on Spherical Trigonometry caught my eye. I paged through it, but it was totally based on the dimensions of Planet Earth. I wanted a more theoretical treatment, with no flattened poles and north really at (0, 0, 1) in a one-unit radius sphere, not like our magnetic North Pole. I figured that one of our military veterans had studied from this book while in the service or preparing for it.
    It looks like the book you have has both the theoretical treatment I'd prefer and the more practical course of study for military troops and others who need it to do their jobs.