Peter - went to the F1 Experience in Toronto - kudos on the exhibition- we spent 3 hours taking in the immersive displays, information, memorabilia - huge thumbs up with the Gilles Villeneuve content
@@Max-qo4sw Agree, however for me, Lance does not have "it". The car would have to be a true rocket ship like RB20 for a whole season for that to happen. I just don't see it happening. So if Lawrence wants a big return on investment, he needs a couple of world championships. And that is not going to come from Lance.
Got to hand it to Lawrence Stroll, he’s building a serious force at AM. Signing Honda up could prove a master stroke and is clearly one of the key reason Newey joined (even referenced in the media questions).
I'm disappointed that you thought you could wing this livestream without having watched the Stroll/Newey Press Conference, announcing possibly the most important news in F1 in the past decade or two. We know that you didn't watch it because Newey clearly said that he had never been offered shareholdings by any team in his career and that he would be in the office every day of the week; while also saying that him working 3 days a week at RB was untrue.
@@doolian1t118 Highly likely you have identified the genesis of this ridiculous and unbecoming livestream today from someone who I normally enjoy listening to. So much factually incorrect information and downright slander of Newey's motivations. For those interested in ACTUAL insight rather than sour grapes, there was an EXCELLENT 1.5 hour podcast with Newey released today that clearly explains his motivations. It is so obviously unrelated to money that Peter is out of order with the disrespect of his "friend" here. Ownership ≠ money - it's skin in the game in the most intense sense. However, not exactly entrepreneurial when Aramco is backing you lol.
Fun facts: Stroll owned Circuit Mont-Tremblant, a Canadian race car circuit, from 2000 to August 2022. His personal car collection includes the 1963 Ferrari 250 GTO and 1958 Ferrari 250 Testa Rossa, 1996 McLaren F1,and a Ford GT. Stroll previously owned the Ferrari dealership of Quebec. Seems like his performance car enthusiams are about as old as his son.
I think it is great Peter! As you say, McLAREN don't need him as of now. Aston have plenty of money, just need a GREAT car designer. He will have incredible resources, and a free reigne. Perfect for him, the team, AND Fernando.👌👍🏾
The difference is Aramco have unlimited money, literally unlimited. Like if they wanted to they could buy all the formula one teams at their valuations and it wouldn't even put a dent in their spending power, they literally bought Golf recently lol.
@@joshn1678so, it's not about money then, right? I think objecting based on money alone is a weak (though not worthless) argument. McLaren doesn't get crap but they literally called Bahrain a "home race" - how is that not 10x more damning of (literally) selling out than a title sponsorship? How many other questionable sponsorships along similar lines are there in F1? We all know the answer: A LOT. Mercedes was literally paid with (fundamentally) STOLEN money by FTX. How is that worse than Aramco in the arena of money? That said, I totally understand the "sportswashing" objection to them. But again: Aramco is absolute peanuts vs. what tobacco companies paid to exploit F1. Personally, I'm not opposed to it if it's legal, but I certainly get that feeling much more than purely "they're rich". Not that being rich makes them endearing or anything, surely the opposite (at least for me personally). But that's a weak reason by itself to disapprove.
@@clinttubelol it’s stupid to think Newey goes somewhere because of money when he’s said himself he has all the money to retire and live comfortably now so it’s not about money for him. It’s about ownership and working with someone like Alonso who he and his wife admire.
@@ReX77x77 Exactly. I don't get why people are salty he's going to Aston. I get the aversion to Stroll 100%, but AM as a team to me aren't any more offensive than the others who ended up/would've ended up dead if it wasn't for pay drivers/partnerships. Stroll is just the last one standing that is unapologetic and as much as I can't get into a pay driver, I think the unapologetic part is a key attractant to Newey (plus Lance can be decent it's just so repulsive when he complains). The financial consideration is almost irrelevant to him and basically a checkbox; he is going to the best situation that interests and excites him the most. Aston's money is a hell of a lot less compromised than some of the other money in F1 (although I'm not claiming to have gone down massive rabbit holes here).
Wish my dad , who introduced me to Mosport in 1961 , was around to listen 👂 to you share your experience with multiple levels of Motorsport … 🇨🇦❤️ … Dad use to import Personal steering wheels in the 70’s
my first race ever was Mosport 1973 at age 15 which in fact turned out to be Jackie Stewart's final race. A few years later I experienced the thrill of driving a Formula Ford on that track. Was it raining when you were there? haha
Andrew Storm had a point about no short corners, I wish the same, or at least a toning down. The reason is that this has become far too one dimensional - it comes across as 'short corners good, long corners bad' (animal farm reference). F1 cars and drivers are much more nuanced than that. So, whilst driving techniques are clearly an interesting topic, maybe different approaches suit different cars, drivers and circuit layouts, and the focus on short corners is a bit unbalanced. I'm sure you would say you don't always put it like that, and you don't, but that is the overall impression left and I must admit it grates a bit. Other than that, this is a very insightful podcast.
What you said on Gordon Murray having his ideas in the MP4/4 is quite wrong. That car's main influence was John Barnard, if it was anyone at all other than Steve, who actually described it once as the best execution of everything they had learnt from JB. Gordon, at that point, was designing new office and workspace at Mclaren and I don't believe had much input at all. One possible place where he may have had an input might have been in making full use of the smaller flywheel on the Honda engine and maximising the potential lower centre of gravity. On the Lotus Honda, they mounted the engine at an angle to get the transmission up to the height of the wheel centres so didn't get the most out of it. There is a superb 2 hour, must-watch, video on RUclips which features Steve Nichols, Neil Trundle and Matthew Jeffries going over the car and what went into its design. ruclips.net/video/m7uZu_Wsdis/видео.html
100%. This is the worst livestream Peter has ever done and is one of the worst F1 info videos I've seen. So much BS, from fan car BS (explained a million places it was technically legal despite being against the spirit of the rules) to absolutely insulting Newey in the most despicable elitist manner.
I agree Peter is over selling it a bit, but I agree with him. Aston is the lazy choice, Aramco is trying to sport wash their name in F1 and so they were willing to give Newey $200 mil and stock in the company lol. Newey is good, but he's not that good. We see with a normal driver like Checo, his RedBull looks fairly normal, you still need a great driver to win.
@@joshn1678Newey's cars have won a fraction of a percent short of 20% of ALL races since 1950... 1.9.5.0.... I'd say Newey is that good... He's just short of everything turning to gold when he touches it.
Umm, suggest you watch the actual press conference. As unconscionable as Peter makes it (and as stupid as most of the press conferences are), this one is that's worth it. Peter clearly refused to watch, because otherwise he would've informed everyone that THIS IS THE REASON HE COULDN'T TURN IT DOWN and HAD NEVER BEEN OFFERED IT BEFORE. I like Peter a lot but this is really a terrible and unbecoming livestream (which I usually enjoy). To say he's driven by money is such BS I also watched another podcast Newey did today for 1.5 hours and it is SO clearly NOT money related that it's insulting. In fact, given you're watching this stream and may be like me, Newey made an excellent point I had not thought about at all besides the shareholding and facilities: The hated Darth Lawrence Stroll is the only owner-involved team on the grid and this makes it massively old school IN THE RON DENNIS AND FRANK WILLIAMS vein. The ones Peter was praising in this video. I'm not against an elitist perspective but this is downright arrogant on Peter's fault. Who does he think he is (as cringe as Stroll may be). So much garbage in this video.
42:37 Poetic justice if Ferrari with Charles and Lewis blow away Aston Martin?, what is he talking about?, maybe it will be the case the other way around, Ferrari is the power house in F1, not Aston Martin. Crazy stuff.
Hi Peter. Thanks for an amazing stream, as always. I wonder if Adrian knew about Red bull's secret rear break? Obviously you won't know, but I'd love to know. Wouldn't you Peter? Cheers, Conrad
I have no doubt Newey is one of the best. But I also have a hard time believing he’s a magic bullet. I think he gets it right much more than average, but much less than 100% of the time. There’s no guarantee Aston Martin suddenly fights for podiums after this, though it would be fun to see.
Newey said in his interview that he wants to be useful, he wants a challenge with a team that is not currently winning. He has done this consistently, has he not? Are we so cynical that we can't take him at his word? He seems very gentle, humble, soft spoken, inclined to be creative at a drafting board. Is that an act?
@@joshn1678and by 80's you mean, 1998-ies?? Point taken though that teams and designs are way more complex than the past - but they're also WAY more restricted by the formula so the less variables that are in play today probably offset (in my opinion) the complexity increase for a designer like Newey who has that unique view of the full design picture given his background. 1997 he had even less time than he'll have in 2025 for Aston and that car was much faster 4 months after he arrived than at the start of the season when he had provided 0 input (discounting the constant of Mercedes engines grenading). Similar cases of immediate impact throughout his earlier career too (but agree there's less applicability given much it was smaller teams even with Williams). Not that it matters but my personal opinion is he'll have an impact on 2025 halfway through the season but it's more setup and tweaks since it'll still be highly constrained by original design. Aero design for 2026 is only supposed to begin on Jan. 1 2025, so he loses 59 days. Not nothing, but really: you think he walks into Aston Day 1 and ISN'T carrying a briefcase full of ideas and drawings from the previous 59 days? He ought to have as much influence on their 2026 aero as anybody. Whether that plays nice with the engine packaging though is the main question mark in my book.
Aston Martin used to be the Jordan f1 team. Eddy Jordan manages newey. Does eddy Jordan have financial interest in Aston Martin? I imagine the share price will rocket.
Almost positive the answer is No about EJ interest in Aston. Usually that'd be de rigueur but there's been many iterations and brushes with death that the people who rescued it would not have done it with non-value-add shareholders. My main reason for saying no though is I've listened to EJ and DC's podcast since it first came out and he's all but said he has no formal contact with the team but that he does feel an emotional connection and has many friends still working there.
I've listened to Peter wins for a long time but his attack on Aston Martin is so crazy what does he have against them what beef does he have in all things he is quite fair about what he says but in this he paints Adrian as a money grabber which I do not think he is again like I said Peter is not always right a lot of time all he does is give his opinion
Possibility of fireworks for 2026: Consider a scenario where Aston Martin absolutely nails the regulation change and are leaps and bounds ahead of the competition, thus Lance vs Fernando for a drivers championship... does anyone actually believe Fernando will back down on Stroll Sr's instruction to let his son take the win? xD
I don't dislike Lance like some people, but imo with a dominant car, unless there are shenanigans going on, I don't think he can get close to Fernando.
I don't think that the Brabham fan car was ever declared illegal. Bernie decided to take it off to save the family piece. And there were some complaints of it throwing small rocks from the surface of the track. It most likely would have been declared illegal had they decided to continue with it.
Yes. It wasn’t illegal. The increases in speeds would’ve meant a huge increase in circuit redevelopment. Also it played well for Bernie politically with the teams and his position in foca.
You harp on about Laurence Strolls reason for being in F.1. So what? It is a good bone fide team, which now has the chance to be great. Aston Martin - an English name with so much history. Can't see any downsides Peter.
Lance will never win a championship, ever. It doesn't matter how good the car is. Look at Lando who we know is much better, he's only won 2 races in the best car this year. You need a great driver to go with a great car and unfortunately Alonso will be 45-46 before Newey has a chance to design a car potentially capable of winning.
I think you're overselling that whole Stroll&Son relationship. First he's a businessman. Knows how to buy, build and maybe sell at some point for the first class facilities. Who's to say his family, Lance etc doesn't want to continue on with the road and race cars. Also who wants to step into that shatshow of Ferrari.
That’s bs that’s been spread because of his driving style in the understeering Renault. Being able to adapt to understeer is not the same as preferring it. He’s one of, if not, the most the most adaptable drivers on the grid. His driving style is about front end feel. Vettel is an understeer guy and spun the Ferrari multiple times when he moved. That was the year after Alonso was there. The car didn’t go from under to oversteer in that one year.
I think with the engine being more important than the chassis in the 2026 regulations it is quite possible something like 2014 happens, for example Ferrari nailing the engine this time. Then, no amount of Newey will make any difference. Red Bull were not title contenders because of bad engine 2014-2020.
What about if Honda nail it too? Don’t discount them this time around. They’ve been at these engines for over a decade now, with dev. They aren’t starting from scratch this time. Then the chassis will be the difference. Since Brawn and company left, it’s more likely Ferrari doesn’t nail it than does. Honda has just as good a chance of it as Ferrari does.
Let me give you another example the 2009 Braun car for the double diffuser track it was actually first developed back in Honda I'm presented to Bourne blonde took the credit so all Peter would say is but he has no idea
I would prefer to see newey in a different team, thats for sure. But as for the challange itself, its not that much different from the RB one. Heres a mid team, with big ambitions and huge financial founds, trying to get to the top. Thats whats in neweys mind. Also, doesnt need to move away from is country, if the project fails, he wont be held the main responsable for it, like if he was in much more popular team like Ferrari or Mercedes. In the process, he gets even richer. So, no downsides really from his point of view.
I actually disagree with you Peter, I think it isn't just the money that motivated Adrian. I think he wants to be the one leading Aston Martin to becoming a modern legendary F1 manufacturer. Like the way McLaren have been established themselves over recent-ish history
Newey called the Silverstone '21 incident a professional foul - and kept doing so for a long time after the event, so it wasn't just heat of the moment. That means he felt Hamilton deliberately tried to take Verstappen off. That might have left its mark on both sides.
There was an EXCELLENT 1.5 hour podcast with Newey released today on the "High Performance" channel where he addresses this in depth. He says after years of feeling it was deliberate, he now believes it was just a (bad) mistake by Lewis and that they'd both be banging wheels all season. Even admits Max was lucky to not get penalized in Brazil. So he's not happy about it but has come to terms. The really interesting thing was this was in the context of saying how he does almost zero reflecting or carrying forward past mistakes/grievances. He said 2021 does not affect his mindset at all today, BUT notably he said it "appears that Abu Dhabi 2021 HAS continued to affect Mercedes, as evidenced by their 2022 performance". Probably as big a reason as any he'd turn down Mercedes even if (and I think it's an if) he has totally forgiven 2021. That was the impression I got at least.
As someone who been watching Peter for years now, he can be so bias. As a Lewis fan I also would have liked Newey to go to Ferrari, but I can still respect his choice and not be jealous about it.
I think it's a very naive view to consider Zak Brown's personal opinion about letting them race, etc, etc... I'm sure he got a call from the owner, the board, and sponsors... this not yesterday's F1, this is not Hesketh's era... they have to do their best to fight for both championships, and this cavalier attitude is not doing him any good with the bosses.
Money doesn't matter anymore with the budget cap, they can give Newey all the money they want, but they won't be able to build him the car he wants within the budget cap. RedBull was very efficient, Aston is not.
I just hope they don't sign max and we have the same thing we've had for the last 2 and a 1/2 years I want to see somebody new get a chance To win a championship And To have tighter championship battles
@@413TomaccoRoad Interesting. I have an irrational eagerness to see what Rossi might being to Prema, and vice-versa. He would cost a lot but bring tremendous experience.
To be fair, Mercedes do seem to need a little help and Lando can do things Oscar can’t . Lando has wiped the floor with Oscar during qualifying ( massive Oscar fan by the way).
Perez was Lance teammate in 2019 and 2020. In 2019, Perez was 10th and Lance was 15th in the championship. In 2020, Perez won a race and was 4th, Lance was 11th. I won't deny Lance still have time to become a better driver, but he need to work harder at it.
Peter is hurt because he doesn't want to work for the Ferrari, glad he didn't now we got rid of all that hype and the whiner can retreat in silence through the backdoor with 7 titles.
The amount of racism in this sport is sad. Lewis has been the best face for this sport, formula 1 would NEVER have become what it currently is without Lewis hamilton. No one could recognize Max in a lineup, and no one wants to, because he'd be boring to meet.
Peter is not always right Ferrari can make good engines Honda can make good engines of course Mercedes can make good engines he only spouse and Nicole because that's already knows from Mercedes but the way he talks about Mercedes belittles the people had to Ferrari and that Honda also I believe that Adrian going to Aston Martin is not about money is about the environment the challenge working with Alonso etc I do not know what Peter has against Aston Martin all against the trolls like I said Peter is a good formula one guy but is not always right
The parasocial max and lando fans were bad enough, now Peter has to deal with parasocial piastri fans, how immature and parasocial has the f1 fans become, maybe Bernie was on to something disregarding social media
F1 likes American $ but they blocked Andretti and will not take anyone in the top 5 of Indy Car drivers , not even the best open wheel road racer in the world- who isn't in F1. American race enthusuasts want ..something more tangible than a Logan type. someone they are very familiar with in North America. How long before more American race people become disenchanted with F1 once again? Haas is 1 American owner with how many Americans working on the team? K Mag is sort of an honorary American because he raced IndyCars ( He was robbed @ Monza!)
I've been stewing over this. I'll try to be brief. I will not rant. In order: 1. I agree with 100% of your judgments of Aston and Strolls Sr. and Jr. I probably dislike them more. I once compared Sr. to a Darth Vader-esque villain.2. However, I am a Fernando fan to the point of being irrational - so I read up as much as possible. He was poor, made money as a kart mechanic before and into his teens, completely obsessed and focussed, much more likely to spend hours updating a spreadsheet than drinking with mates in a pub. It seems to me - given my assumption that the rumours you heard about Sebastian also reached Fernando's ear - that he is clever enough to address issues of commitment before signing on the dotted line. In other words, while his relationship to senior may be both diplomatic and gingerly, he would have protected himself contractually, specifically so that the Strolls can't step on him, legally or operationally speaking.
Also a Fernando fan and agree on your 2nd point, although I don't think Fernando could prevent a buy-out if Max wanted his seat in 2026 assuming Lance isn't going anywhere. Not contractually I mean - I don't think any driver has that ability and can only contractually make it very very expensive to be bought out. My feeling is it's the diplomatic/political aspect that is Fernando's trump card vs. a Max or someone. Max is ruthless and can't help himself but to humiliate teammates, even if he proves capable of playing nice off-track. Fernando can soothesay the Strolls to the point that as long as he's championship caliber (can't imagine why not over the next few years), papa Stroll and the team thinks Fernando will be as gentle/supportive as possible with Lance while not compromising on what's needed to win the title. Not sure who else would bring that given he'll do whatever it takes to win another title short of getting on his knees. That's part of why I like him so much - he operates on as many levels as anybody and is informed by his past mistakes on how to massage the right people to stay on.
@@enniogaliani I wouldn't bet on it at this point in his career. I actually think he is capable of it, at least eventually, however maybe not to the degree Fernando is. The bigger problem for LanMax is Jos and friends. Even if Max were politically astute enough to blow smoke where needed on occasion, I don't see how you stop Jos from poisoning the well eventually. That and I think Fernando will have negotiated an astronomical buy-out price having left Alpine when it was like 4th in 2022. Now, if Lance magically decides to quit after 2025 then I don't doubt Max will be target #1, at which point I think these issues are less problematic provided the team is performing reasonably well. Fernando vs. Max would be amazing and if AM delivers Fernando a championship car in 2026 then Max likely would come knocking quickly. I'm also curious how the equity situation plays into the cost cap. Assuming Newey, Cardile, and Andy Cowell (or one of several other possibles) are their 3 exemptions, there are many others who likely have demanded huge pay days. If equity options enable Newey to buy-in and cut his cost-cap portion an order of magnitude maybe that enables it. I don't know the rules for equity but my understanding is it is not explicitly included; surely Newey has some base equity compensation but I bet the options could hoover up most of rest of his package without diluting shareholders too much. Will be interesting to see
@@clinttube As much as my comment was vague and peristaltic, I meant NO. Max can't deal with Jr. Not because he lacks diplomacy, but because he's had enough success to opt out of discomfort. I buy Peter's idea that Sr. is only in F1 to further his kid's glory, so Lance disappearing in 25 seems unlikely. I have cerebral palsy. While I can drive VERY fast, and am a good guitarist and bassist, I understand I can never be Ronny Peterson or Jeff Beck. Similarly, AM will be stunted, not because Jr. is useless, but because he has been spoiled, which I believe is the source of his ever-evident inconsistency. PS1 I stay out of the finance - get enough in my profession. PS2 I am impressed with your writing and complexity of thought.
All I hear is LH team crying because without a rocket , there is no more titles. Even with a rocket in 2016 , he failed. Humbled by Nico Rosberg and buried by Max. Schumacher was better and that's all. You have to sit down and take it. And that's all.
It's such a shame Adrian Newey sold out in his ripe old fragile age to the highest bidder. The legacy who would have left if he went to Ferrari and won the Driver's and Constructor's Championships with them would have been insane. I've lost respect for Newey, he sold his soul to the highest bidder and will now try to build a Championship winning car for LANCE STROLL, let that sink in!
Pretty narrow view. If he want to sell out he would go to Ferrari, which have over $100 billion in marketcap, compared to Aston Martin which is only $1.6 billion. The fact that Aston don't have as much money and willing to spend that much on Adrian, give him shares and more freedom, means they value Adrian more than Ferrari. And by going to Aston which is not yet a winning team, he is willing to build up the team, instead of going to an already established winning one.
Better a Renault motor, he won 2 times with them. Like Damon Hill, Mansell , Villeneuve and Prost on Williams Renault. And without cheating like Mercedes.
Last year I wouldn't have agreed, but now I do. Newey is obviously good at what he does, but he isn't a one man army, you need great engineers and an even better driver to drive the car. I almost guarantee Aston will never crack the top 3 teams over the next 5 years.
Peter - went to the F1 Experience in Toronto - kudos on the exhibition- we spent 3 hours taking in the immersive displays, information, memorabilia - huge thumbs up with the Gilles Villeneuve content
Makes me sad in one way. I wish he had gone to Williams. But also happy for Alonso. How amazing if Alonso had another crack at a world title.
The crown would be for Lance
@@Max-qo4sw Agree, however for me, Lance does not have "it". The car would have to be a true rocket ship like RB20 for a whole season for that to happen. I just don't see it happening. So if Lawrence wants a big return on investment, he needs a couple of world championships. And that is not going to come from Lance.
@@RobertDePintobut even Checo couldn't get p2 in the rb20. And Checo is a lot better than Lance.
@@joshn1678 great point. Yeah Lance has zero chance. This is all about Lawrence making a great investment.
Got to hand it to Lawrence Stroll, he’s building a serious force at AM. Signing Honda up could prove a master stroke and is clearly one of the key reason Newey joined (even referenced in the media questions).
Is Max next?
Peter got his way - Oscar is now the #2 driver for the rest of the season.
I'm disappointed that you thought you could wing this livestream without having watched the Stroll/Newey Press Conference, announcing possibly the most important news in F1 in the past decade or two. We know that you didn't watch it because Newey clearly said that he had never been offered shareholdings by any team in his career and that he would be in the office every day of the week; while also saying that him working 3 days a week at RB was untrue.
Yep, probably pissed he didn’t get an invite to the event!
@@doolian1t118 Highly likely you have identified the genesis of this ridiculous and unbecoming livestream today from someone who I normally enjoy listening to. So much factually incorrect information and downright slander of Newey's motivations.
For those interested in ACTUAL insight rather than sour grapes, there was an EXCELLENT 1.5 hour podcast with Newey released today that clearly explains his motivations. It is so obviously unrelated to money that Peter is out of order with the disrespect of his "friend" here. Ownership ≠ money - it's skin in the game in the most intense sense. However, not exactly entrepreneurial when Aramco is backing you lol.
Love your crack Peter,, nobody can match you in overall F1 commentary,,, keep up the good work 👍🏴
Fun facts: Stroll owned Circuit Mont-Tremblant, a Canadian race car circuit, from 2000 to August 2022. His personal car collection includes the 1963 Ferrari 250 GTO and 1958 Ferrari 250 Testa Rossa, 1996 McLaren F1,and a Ford GT. Stroll previously owned the Ferrari dealership of Quebec. Seems like his performance car enthusiams are about as old as his son.
Amazing stream Peter, love every video you have given us all ❤😊
How is that his way? At some point for champ choices have to be made
I think it is great Peter!
As you say, McLAREN don't need him as of now.
Aston have plenty of money, just need a GREAT car designer.
He will have incredible resources, and a free reigne.
Perfect for him, the team, AND Fernando.👌👍🏾
Fernando Alonso was definitely one of Adrian’s biggest motivations to join AMR. Money is irrelevant at his age
especially when you are that rich already
I don’t really understand the problem with Newey going to Aston. It’s not like the other teams *aren’t* about money
The difference is Aramco have unlimited money, literally unlimited. Like if they wanted to they could buy all the formula one teams at their valuations and it wouldn't even put a dent in their spending power, they literally bought Golf recently lol.
@@joshn1678Absolutely, but I see it as a difference of degree more than type
@@joshn1678so, it's not about money then, right? I think objecting based on money alone is a weak (though not worthless) argument. McLaren doesn't get crap but they literally called Bahrain a "home race" - how is that not 10x more damning of (literally) selling out than a title sponsorship?
How many other questionable sponsorships along similar lines are there in F1? We all know the answer: A LOT. Mercedes was literally paid with (fundamentally) STOLEN money by FTX. How is that worse than Aramco in the arena of money?
That said, I totally understand the "sportswashing" objection to them. But again: Aramco is absolute peanuts vs. what tobacco companies paid to exploit F1. Personally, I'm not opposed to it if it's legal, but I certainly get that feeling much more than purely "they're rich". Not that being rich makes them endearing or anything, surely the opposite (at least for me personally). But that's a weak reason by itself to disapprove.
@@clinttubelol it’s stupid to think Newey goes somewhere because of money when he’s said himself he has all the money to retire and live comfortably now so it’s not about money for him. It’s about ownership and working with someone like Alonso who he and his wife admire.
@@ReX77x77 Exactly. I don't get why people are salty he's going to Aston. I get the aversion to Stroll 100%, but AM as a team to me aren't any more offensive than the others who ended up/would've ended up dead if it wasn't for pay drivers/partnerships. Stroll is just the last one standing that is unapologetic and as much as I can't get into a pay driver, I think the unapologetic part is a key attractant to Newey (plus Lance can be decent it's just so repulsive when he complains). The financial consideration is almost irrelevant to him and basically a checkbox; he is going to the best situation that interests and excites him the most.
Aston's money is a hell of a lot less compromised than some of the other money in F1 (although I'm not claiming to have gone down massive rabbit holes here).
Wish my dad , who introduced me to Mosport in 1961 , was around to listen 👂 to you share your experience with multiple levels of Motorsport … 🇨🇦❤️ … Dad use to import Personal steering wheels in the 70’s
my first race ever was Mosport 1973 at age 15 which in fact turned out to be Jackie Stewart's final race. A few years later I experienced the thrill of driving a Formula Ford on that track. Was it raining when you were there? haha
Andrew Storm had a point about no short corners, I wish the same, or at least a toning down. The reason is that this has become far too one dimensional - it comes across as 'short corners good, long corners bad' (animal farm reference). F1 cars and drivers are much more nuanced than that. So, whilst driving techniques are clearly an interesting topic, maybe different approaches suit different cars, drivers and circuit layouts, and the focus on short corners is a bit unbalanced. I'm sure you would say you don't always put it like that, and you don't, but that is the overall impression left and I must admit it grates a bit. Other than that, this is a very insightful podcast.
What you said on Gordon Murray having his ideas in the MP4/4 is quite wrong. That car's main influence was John Barnard, if it was anyone at all other than Steve, who actually described it once as the best execution of everything they had learnt from JB. Gordon, at that point, was designing new office and workspace at Mclaren and I don't believe had much input at all. One possible place where he may have had an input might have been in making full use of the smaller flywheel on the Honda engine and maximising the potential lower centre of gravity. On the Lotus Honda, they mounted the engine at an angle to get the transmission up to the height of the wheel centres so didn't get the most out of it.
There is a superb 2 hour, must-watch, video on RUclips which features Steve Nichols, Neil Trundle and Matthew Jeffries going over the car and what went into its design. ruclips.net/video/m7uZu_Wsdis/видео.html
100%. This is the worst livestream Peter has ever done and is one of the worst F1 info videos I've seen. So much BS, from fan car BS (explained a million places it was technically legal despite being against the spirit of the rules) to absolutely insulting Newey in the most despicable elitist manner.
I get the impression you doubt Newey's veracity and really resent his move to Aston Martin
I agree Peter is over selling it a bit, but I agree with him. Aston is the lazy choice, Aramco is trying to sport wash their name in F1 and so they were willing to give Newey $200 mil and stock in the company lol. Newey is good, but he's not that good. We see with a normal driver like Checo, his RedBull looks fairly normal, you still need a great driver to win.
@@joshn1678how is it the lazy choice?
@@joshn1678Newey's cars have won a fraction of a percent short of 20% of ALL races since 1950... 1.9.5.0.... I'd say Newey is that good... He's just short of everything turning to gold when he touches it.
I think Newey is targeting some level of team ownership and that’s part of his deal with the Strolls
Umm, suggest you watch the actual press conference. As unconscionable as Peter makes it (and as stupid as most of the press conferences are), this one is that's worth it. Peter clearly refused to watch, because otherwise he would've informed everyone that THIS IS THE REASON HE COULDN'T TURN IT DOWN and HAD NEVER BEEN OFFERED IT BEFORE.
I like Peter a lot but this is really a terrible and unbecoming livestream (which I usually enjoy). To say he's driven by money is such BS I also watched another podcast Newey did today for 1.5 hours and it is SO clearly NOT money related that it's insulting.
In fact, given you're watching this stream and may be like me, Newey made an excellent point I had not thought about at all besides the shareholding and facilities: The hated Darth Lawrence Stroll is the only owner-involved team on the grid and this makes it massively old school IN THE RON DENNIS AND FRANK WILLIAMS vein. The ones Peter was praising in this video. I'm not against an elitist perspective but this is downright arrogant on Peter's fault. Who does he think he is (as cringe as Stroll may be). So much garbage in this video.
42:37 Poetic justice if Ferrari with Charles and Lewis blow away Aston Martin?, what is he talking about?, maybe it will be the case the other way around, Ferrari is the power house in F1, not Aston Martin. Crazy stuff.
Delusional LH team all way. FANGIO, STEWART, CLARK, SCHUMACHER, SENNA AND PROST were better than LH. Goat my ass.
Hi Peter. Thanks for an amazing stream, as always. I wonder if Adrian knew about Red bull's secret rear break? Obviously you won't know, but I'd love to know. Wouldn't you Peter? Cheers, Conrad
I have no doubt Newey is one of the best. But I also have a hard time believing he’s a magic bullet. I think he gets it right much more than average, but much less than 100% of the time.
There’s no guarantee Aston Martin suddenly fights for podiums after this, though it would be fun to see.
I too agree that Ron Dennis has somehow become underrated. A true icon of the sport up there with Jackie Stewart
This guy just can’t help himself, jabbing at Vettel once again.
Peter Windsor, The Goat🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐
Newey said in his interview that he wants to be useful, he wants a challenge with a team that is not currently winning. He has done this consistently, has he not? Are we so cynical that we can't take him at his word? He seems very gentle, humble, soft spoken, inclined to be creative at a drafting board. Is that an act?
As excited as I am about Newey, it isn't going to have any immediate effect. It will be a couple of years before Newey's impact will be seen.
That's not what happened when he moved to McLaren. 😏
@@bighimeythis isn't the 80s.
@@joshn1678and by 80's you mean, 1998-ies??
Point taken though that teams and designs are way more complex than the past - but they're also WAY more restricted by the formula so the less variables that are in play today probably offset (in my opinion) the complexity increase for a designer like Newey who has that unique view of the full design picture given his background. 1997 he had even less time than he'll have in 2025 for Aston and that car was much faster 4 months after he arrived than at the start of the season when he had provided 0 input (discounting the constant of Mercedes engines grenading). Similar cases of immediate impact throughout his earlier career too (but agree there's less applicability given much it was smaller teams even with Williams).
Not that it matters but my personal opinion is he'll have an impact on 2025 halfway through the season but it's more setup and tweaks since it'll still be highly constrained by original design. Aero design for 2026 is only supposed to begin on Jan. 1 2025, so he loses 59 days. Not nothing, but really: you think he walks into Aston Day 1 and ISN'T carrying a briefcase full of ideas and drawings from the previous 59 days? He ought to have as much influence on their 2026 aero as anybody. Whether that plays nice with the engine packaging though is the main question mark in my book.
There is no replacement. Nor substitute. For perfection!
Wow, who saw this coming at the start of the season?
You look great for 72 Peter!
Aston Martin used to be the Jordan f1 team. Eddy Jordan manages newey. Does eddy Jordan have financial interest in Aston Martin? I imagine the share price will rocket.
Almost positive the answer is No about EJ interest in Aston. Usually that'd be de rigueur but there's been many iterations and brushes with death that the people who rescued it would not have done it with non-value-add shareholders.
My main reason for saying no though is I've listened to EJ and DC's podcast since it first came out and he's all but said he has no formal contact with the team but that he does feel an emotional connection and has many friends still working there.
Love your comment on fl hybrid coming 50/50. Enjoyed Goodwood this week allo sustainable fuel way to go.
Anderstorp to me is all about FIM 500cc Grand Prix’. Go find the ‘83 race, between Roberts and Spencer. Legendary!
I've listened to Peter wins for a long time but his attack on Aston Martin is so crazy what does he have against them what beef does he have in all things he is quite fair about what he says but in this he paints Adrian as a money grabber which I do not think he is again like I said Peter is not always right a lot of time all he does is give his opinion
Possibility of fireworks for 2026: Consider a scenario where Aston Martin absolutely nails the regulation change and are leaps and bounds ahead of the competition, thus Lance vs Fernando for a drivers championship... does anyone actually believe Fernando will back down on Stroll Sr's instruction to let his son take the win? xD
I don't dislike Lance like some people, but imo with a dominant car, unless there are shenanigans going on, I don't think he can get close to Fernando.
The wait is for Max Verstappen now after 2025.
Alonso has a contract and there is no way Stroll sacks his son
And why would he bring in Max to make Lance look like an amateur? Think about it
I don't think that the Brabham fan car was ever declared illegal. Bernie decided to take it off to save the family piece. And there were some complaints of it throwing small rocks from the surface of the track. It most likely would have been declared illegal had they decided to continue with it.
Yes. It wasn’t illegal. The increases in speeds would’ve meant a huge increase in circuit redevelopment. Also it played well for Bernie politically with the teams and his position in foca.
I don’t think he was ever going to work with Lewis or Toto after Silverstone 2021 🤔
Also, Adrian can definitely bring upgrades to the car next year.
Look what McLaren has done this year!
You harp on about Laurence Strolls reason for being in F.1.
So what?
It is a good bone fide team, which now has the chance to be great.
Aston Martin - an English name with so much history.
Can't see any downsides Peter.
Now that’s step one ☝️ … now time to bump Lance upstairs … 2 competitive consistent drivers is the best business decision going forward
You knew stroll would throw absolutely everything to get newey, and ultimately give his kid a shot to win
Lance will never win a championship, ever. It doesn't matter how good the car is. Look at Lando who we know is much better, he's only won 2 races in the best car this year. You need a great driver to go with a great car and unfortunately Alonso will be 45-46 before Newey has a chance to design a car potentially capable of winning.
ALso Fernando and Max together in the 24hrs of Le Mans. Great sport news!
Hi Peter, Do you see Max in a 2026-2037 Aston Martin?
This I predicted months ago when most was on the Ferrari /Newey bandwagon .
I think you're overselling that whole Stroll&Son relationship. First he's a businessman. Knows how to buy, build and maybe sell at some point for the first class facilities. Who's to say his family, Lance etc doesn't want to continue on with the road and race cars. Also who wants to step into that shatshow of Ferrari.
Bravo Domnul Petcu 🙂
35:22 He's already signed for 2026
1:18:54 Alonso famously drives well with understeer and is the only driver on the grid who prefers it
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That’s bs that’s been spread because of his driving style in the understeering Renault. Being able to adapt to understeer is not the same as preferring it. He’s one of, if not, the most the most adaptable drivers on the grid. His driving style is about front end feel. Vettel is an understeer guy and spun the Ferrari multiple times when he moved. That was the year after Alonso was there. The car didn’t go from under to oversteer in that one year.
Does Adrian have a sailboat with a mast so tall that it could easily capsize? I'm guessing he needed a better B2B kickback...
Max next!
I think with the engine being more important than the chassis in the 2026 regulations it is quite possible something like 2014 happens, for example Ferrari nailing the engine this time. Then, no amount of Newey will make any difference. Red Bull were not title contenders because of bad engine 2014-2020.
What about if Honda nail it too? Don’t discount them this time around. They’ve been at these engines for over a decade now, with dev. They aren’t starting from scratch this time. Then the chassis will be the difference. Since Brawn and company left, it’s more likely Ferrari doesn’t nail it than does. Honda has just as good a chance of it as Ferrari does.
My favorite part of F1 has always been the exhaust note. Obviously, I am not a fan of the sound now. What will we do when F1 is all electric?
Stop watching of course😂
Aston Martin is 2025 champion.... btw the new vanquish is great
I doubt he will be able to do that in one year, Maclaren, RB, Ferrari and Mercs aren't just gonna dissapear
Let me give you another example the 2009 Braun car for the double diffuser track it was actually first developed back in Honda I'm presented to Bourne blonde took the credit so all Peter would say is but he has no idea
AN is share holder at AM.
well moving to Italy is a step for Newey, with Aston he can stay in the UK...
Mooi
I would prefer to see newey in a different team, thats for sure. But as for the challange itself, its not that much different from the RB one. Heres a mid team, with big ambitions and huge financial founds, trying to get to the top. Thats whats in neweys mind. Also, doesnt need to move away from is country, if the project fails, he wont be held the main responsable for it, like if he was in much more popular team like Ferrari or Mercedes. In the process, he gets even richer. So, no downsides really from his point of view.
Now AM just need another toy for Lance and give a wheel to MAX.
I actually disagree with you Peter, I think it isn't just the money that motivated Adrian. I think he wants to be the one leading Aston Martin to becoming a modern legendary F1 manufacturer. Like the way McLaren have been established themselves over recent-ish history
Don Peter!
Why aren''t Aston Martin building their own engines?
Peter, with all due respect, I'm surprised how butthurt you are by all this. I thought you are better than that, honestly.
Newey called the Silverstone '21 incident a professional foul - and kept doing so for a long time after the event, so it wasn't just heat of the moment. That means he felt Hamilton deliberately tried to take Verstappen off. That might have left its mark on both sides.
There was an EXCELLENT 1.5 hour podcast with Newey released today on the "High Performance" channel where he addresses this in depth. He says after years of feeling it was deliberate, he now believes it was just a (bad) mistake by Lewis and that they'd both be banging wheels all season. Even admits Max was lucky to not get penalized in Brazil. So he's not happy about it but has come to terms.
The really interesting thing was this was in the context of saying how he does almost zero reflecting or carrying forward past mistakes/grievances. He said 2021 does not affect his mindset at all today, BUT notably he said it "appears that Abu Dhabi 2021 HAS continued to affect Mercedes, as evidenced by their 2022 performance". Probably as big a reason as any he'd turn down Mercedes even if (and I think it's an if) he has totally forgiven 2021. That was the impression I got at least.
I hope Zac tells Oscar that. That’ll add even more fuel to the fire in Oscar’s belly in 2025.
Well, Ferrari really dropped the ball on this one. Should have done everything in their power to make that happen. A shame really.
Like what? They can't make him work for them can they.
As someone who been watching Peter for years now, he can be so bias. As a Lewis fan I also would have liked Newey to go to Ferrari, but I can still respect his choice and not be jealous about it.
I think it's a very naive view to consider Zak Brown's personal opinion about letting them race, etc, etc... I'm sure he got a call from the owner, the board, and sponsors... this not yesterday's F1, this is not Hesketh's era... they have to do their best to fight for both championships, and this cavalier attitude is not doing him any good with the bosses.
Money talks, Italian drama, and workplace rules don't.
Money doesn't matter anymore with the budget cap, they can give Newey all the money they want, but they won't be able to build him the car he wants within the budget cap. RedBull was very efficient, Aston is not.
Imagine alonso max newey aston martin honda😍😍😍
It just won't happen, the team would implode.
@@erikahuxley keep faith, it will happen.
One hour and 40min talking about Newey Like not everyone watching this doesn't know who he is and what has he done and who hi signed with 😂😂😂
Stroll ... champion in 2026 😂😂😂
Mercedes have James Allison who is arguably as good or better than Newey.
I just hope they don't sign max and we have the same thing we've had for the last 2 and a 1/2 years I want to see somebody new get a chance To win a championship And To have tighter championship battles
I'm going to lay a bet that Lance Stroll will not win a podium, never mind a championship, in the next 4 years. I think I'll get.a good return.
Who thinks Ferrucci wiill out-qualify Logan in Indy Cars next year?
Has he signed with anyone yet? Agree if he competes there. Ofc the team matters even though it's a spec series.
@@m12x12I heard he was talking with Prema. He was with them before Carlin.
@@413TomaccoRoad Interesting. I have an irrational eagerness to see what Rossi might being to Prema, and vice-versa. He would cost a lot but bring tremendous experience.
@@m12x12 He's leaving McLaren?
@@413TomaccoRoad Yes. It seems he and the team could not agree on terms so he's a free agent.
Can anyone tell me what Mercedes & Oscar Piastri done to upset Peter? He’s always talking them down
Oscar P1 @ Baku!!! Is that what you want?
To be fair, Mercedes do seem to need a little help and Lando can do things Oscar can’t . Lando has wiped the floor with Oscar during qualifying ( massive Oscar fan by the way).
You got a short memory. That's what happens when you're a commentator rather than a fan, you call it as you see it at the time.
@@PeterKKraus Did you put money on this? 🤣
@@JC-lu4se Qualifying is pretty irrelevant and the difference is only 1 tenth between them, the h2h is misleading.
Lance Stroll is underrated.
Better than Perez........?
Perez was Lance teammate in 2019 and 2020. In 2019, Perez was 10th and Lance was 15th in the championship. In 2020, Perez won a race and was 4th, Lance was 11th. I won't deny Lance still have time to become a better driver, but he need to work harder at it.
Peter is hurt because he doesn't want to work for the Ferrari, glad he didn't now we got rid of all that hype and the whiner can retreat in silence through the backdoor with 7 titles.
The amount of racism in this sport is sad. Lewis has been the best face for this sport, formula 1 would NEVER have become what it currently is without Lewis hamilton. No one could recognize Max in a lineup, and no one wants to, because he'd be boring to meet.
Lewis never needed Newey to win a championship and that won't change now
Peter is not always right Ferrari can make good engines Honda can make good engines of course Mercedes can make good engines he only spouse and Nicole because that's already knows from Mercedes but the way he talks about Mercedes belittles the people had to Ferrari and that Honda also I believe that Adrian going to Aston Martin is not about money is about the environment the challenge working with Alonso etc I do not know what Peter has against Aston Martin all against the trolls like I said Peter is a good formula one guy but is not always right
The parasocial max and lando fans were bad enough, now Peter has to deal with parasocial piastri fans, how immature and parasocial has the f1 fans become, maybe Bernie was on to something disregarding social media
F1 likes American $ but they blocked Andretti and will not take anyone in the top 5 of Indy Car drivers , not even the best open wheel road racer in the world- who isn't in F1. American race enthusuasts want ..something more tangible than a Logan type. someone they are very familiar with in North America. How long before more American race people become disenchanted with F1 once again? Haas is 1 American owner with how many Americans working on the team? K Mag is sort of an honorary American because he raced IndyCars ( He was robbed @ Monza!)
I've been stewing over this. I'll try to be brief. I will not rant. In order: 1. I agree with 100% of your judgments of Aston and Strolls Sr. and Jr. I probably dislike them more. I once compared Sr. to a Darth Vader-esque villain.2. However, I am a Fernando fan to the point of being irrational - so I read up as much as possible. He was poor, made money as a kart mechanic before and into his teens, completely obsessed and focussed, much more likely to spend hours updating a spreadsheet than drinking with mates in a pub. It seems to me - given my assumption that the rumours you heard about Sebastian also reached Fernando's ear - that he is clever enough to address issues of commitment before signing on the dotted line. In other words, while his relationship to senior may be both diplomatic and gingerly, he would have protected himself contractually, specifically so that the Strolls can't step on him, legally or operationally speaking.
Also a Fernando fan and agree on your 2nd point, although I don't think Fernando could prevent a buy-out if Max wanted his seat in 2026 assuming Lance isn't going anywhere. Not contractually I mean - I don't think any driver has that ability and can only contractually make it very very expensive to be bought out.
My feeling is it's the diplomatic/political aspect that is Fernando's trump card vs. a Max or someone. Max is ruthless and can't help himself but to humiliate teammates, even if he proves capable of playing nice off-track. Fernando can soothesay the Strolls to the point that as long as he's championship caliber (can't imagine why not over the next few years), papa Stroll and the team thinks Fernando will be as gentle/supportive as possible with Lance while not compromising on what's needed to win the title. Not sure who else would bring that given he'll do whatever it takes to win another title short of getting on his knees. That's part of why I like him so much - he operates on as many levels as anybody and is informed by his past mistakes on how to massage the right people to stay on.
@@clinttube Interesting sideline: is Max capable of playing house with Jr.? Hmmmmm...
@@enniogaliani I wouldn't bet on it at this point in his career. I actually think he is capable of it, at least eventually, however maybe not to the degree Fernando is. The bigger problem for LanMax is Jos and friends. Even if Max were politically astute enough to blow smoke where needed on occasion, I don't see how you stop Jos from poisoning the well eventually. That and I think Fernando will have negotiated an astronomical buy-out price having left Alpine when it was like 4th in 2022.
Now, if Lance magically decides to quit after 2025 then I don't doubt Max will be target #1, at which point I think these issues are less problematic provided the team is performing reasonably well. Fernando vs. Max would be amazing and if AM delivers Fernando a championship car in 2026 then Max likely would come knocking quickly.
I'm also curious how the equity situation plays into the cost cap. Assuming Newey, Cardile, and Andy Cowell (or one of several other possibles) are their 3 exemptions, there are many others who likely have demanded huge pay days. If equity options enable Newey to buy-in and cut his cost-cap portion an order of magnitude maybe that enables it. I don't know the rules for equity but my understanding is it is not explicitly included; surely Newey has some base equity compensation but I bet the options could hoover up most of rest of his package without diluting shareholders too much. Will be interesting to see
@@clinttube As much as my comment was vague and peristaltic, I meant NO. Max can't deal with Jr. Not because he lacks diplomacy, but because he's had enough success to opt out of discomfort. I buy Peter's idea that Sr. is only in F1 to further his kid's glory, so Lance disappearing in 25 seems unlikely. I have cerebral palsy. While I can drive VERY fast, and am a good guitarist and bassist, I understand I can never be Ronny Peterson or Jeff Beck. Similarly, AM will be stunted, not because Jr. is useless, but because he has been spoiled, which I believe is the source of his ever-evident inconsistency. PS1 I stay out of the finance - get enough in my profession. PS2 I am impressed with your writing and complexity of thought.
Money talks I guess
All I hear is LH team crying because without a rocket , there is no more titles. Even with a rocket in 2016 , he failed. Humbled by Nico Rosberg and buried by Max. Schumacher was better and that's all. You have to sit down and take it. And that's all.
I find it very disappointing that he is going to Aston. The very worst choice in my view.
Bloody hell is it not the Honda engine I'm not the Andy Karl engine what is stupid comment by pet
And Newey doesn't have the right to breathe a wealth foundation for his family?
And why NOT Aston...
Is father-Stroll so repellent?
He's already very rich, in the neighborhood of £100 million pounds .
@@PeterKKraus 100 pounds buys a nice dinner, but I wouldn't call it filthy rich.
@@erikahuxley I omitted ..million. Lol
All the words I can find tp express my feelings on the matter are banned by youtube
Newey and his team were let go from Redbull. They had created an illegal car. Redbull had to show it was not a team conspiracy to cheat.
BS 😅😅😅
lol
@@ecossearthur Newey’s forced resignation was announced at the time adjustments were made on the car
What a shame the car will be driven by Lance "I don't know what I'm doing" Stroll.
It's such a shame Adrian Newey sold out in his ripe old fragile age to the highest bidder. The legacy who would have left if he went to Ferrari and won the Driver's and Constructor's Championships with them would have been insane. I've lost respect for Newey, he sold his soul to the highest bidder and will now try to build a Championship winning car for LANCE STROLL, let that sink in!
Pretty narrow view. If he want to sell out he would go to Ferrari, which have over $100 billion in marketcap, compared to Aston Martin which is only $1.6 billion. The fact that Aston don't have as much money and willing to spend that much on Adrian, give him shares and more freedom, means they value Adrian more than Ferrari. And by going to Aston which is not yet a winning team, he is willing to build up the team, instead of going to an already established winning one.
Stroll what a loser move
Alonso is not worthy of a honda
Better a Renault motor, he won 2 times with them. Like Damon Hill, Mansell , Villeneuve and Prost on Williams Renault. And without cheating like Mercedes.
I am glad SF did not spend 100 Mil on him McLaren's huge improvement without the Input from Newey proves to me he is over rated.
Last year I wouldn't have agreed, but now I do. Newey is obviously good at what he does, but he isn't a one man army, you need great engineers and an even better driver to drive the car. I almost guarantee Aston will never crack the top 3 teams over the next 5 years.
Even #adriannewey won't make #fernandoalonso or #lancestroll champions.