Great video, but there is actually 1 significant change in tekken 8 buffer: if you buffer f and neutral input for ff moves and it works in this way: after recovery is finished, first F from buffer is already executed and first input will be neutral, even if you hold F, then second input will be the button that you're holding. This way you can do ff move by doing f,n,f(hold) and just pressing attack input on 2nd frame after recovery which makes it easier (it doesnt work in tekken 7). same method lets you buffer the whole backdash, in recovery by doing b, n, (hold)B and u will always do backdash at first possible frame (also only in tekken 8)
Would this mean that a 12 frame ff2 can never punish a -12 on block move though? Since the first frame after recovery is automatically reserved for neutral?
@@TheRadioSquare Sure I did. Muscle memory is a learned skill and the veterans have a slight issue with it after the transition to T8 so they need to adjust to compensate.
You know what I really really want in Tekken 8? The frame data timeline from SF6. That thing is incredible and makes it instantly clear where your input mistakes are because you can see right on the bar where your opponent's recovery frames end and where your active frames begin. Combos, frame traps, meaty setups all become 10x more intuitive and consistent, and while the frame counter in Tekken is nice, it just doesn't compare to the clear visuals of SF6's timeline.
I’m still a newbie for the most part, and learning the game is fun! But I can definitely feel the pain you would go through with certain frame changes and stuff like that due to muscle memory😢
This explains alot of things! One thing i noticed before watching this video is that DVJ is affected by this change the most. His 3+4 FLY stance in T7 had an auto block feature(removed in T8). The recovery frames also affect him negatively(thank gawd) because in T7 you had a few frame where you could input an attack while hes falling back to ground. Id opt for you to try this yourself.
This is a very useful video idea that there isn’t much talk about. Might have been able to get into a little more detail about things that aren’t bufferable, but still a very good entry point. When I was getting into the game learning Paul during the beta and T7, deathfist felt like it would never come out. But it’s all because the quarter circle motion is a wave dash, and wave dashes can’t be buffered. It took me a LONG time to figure that out, which is crazy considering how old T7 is
thanks a lot for these videos, i love when people explore the more minor details of fighting game mechanics it's extremely helpful since i only really played 2D fgs and tekken is... really weird
Love the video and the info too, but I'm just specifically commenting to appreciate the fact that you used Cave Story OST for this. I love that game to bits.
It’s the exact same thing as T7 only a timing difference. This only affects people who played tekken 7 and are doing the same timing as they did in that game because of their muscle memory. If you aren’t a veteran T7 player you are not messing up for any reason other than you just need to practice the timing. Idk what you mean by you “feel it”. You shouldn’t have any muscle memory if you didn’t play T7.
@@bobbill4257 I have 2000hrs of tekken 7 and I'm at tekken king ranks. I think I used the word veteran in a different way. I meant I'm no pro but I do play. My bad.
@@Ymyeh-lr8wj ah ok I understand. Hope I didn’t come across aggressively. Just wanted to make sure any new tekken players don’t drop the game bcs they think the game isn’t functioning properly.
I LOVE when people get into the guts of these games to see how they actually function Keep doing what you do, there's not nearly enough out there on the platform doing this
I don't know man, I feel like tekken 8 has lost its flow it feels icky to me, my body is just rejecting it. It feels unsatisfactory. It just feels disconnected. That's the nicest way I can put it.
The video's saying you have to press stuff later than you're used to - if you press early you're gonna miss even more stuff. (Unless you were acting like there was no input buffer at all before, in which case that's my b)
1:10 Not only the first direction but also the neutral input can be buffered: neutral is a complete input and a cancel in the movement system, just as forward. So, in the dashes the *f,n* part of the *f,n,f* input can be buffered. This allows for an i16 f,f+2 on Dragunov, for example.
One universal tip for Tekken 7 players What ever you want to input after the first attack, do it with delay You have a lot more time to confirm if attack hits
I noticed that on Yoshimitsu for example. In T7 you could do b2 and while still holding b2 you press down 1 to get 1+2 that transition into kin stance. But in T8 I need to let go of back before b2 animation finishes, otherwise b2,1 will happen instead.
What feels strange is the throw break windows and trimming. I was trying to think how I'm extra good and whiff punishment in this game now it makes. Sense
Alisa hopkick had a long window for the followup. Now you have to input it asap. Also it recovers now standing. Opponent needs to learn new mucle memory for punish too. 1,2 jabs -3 on block too.
Holy shit, thank you for this. this got recommended and we were wondering the same as well. if you would be so kind to post this on the tekken subreddit so more would know! as much as i want to, you should be the one to do it! i think they will appreciate it as well.
i swear to god i though i was going crazy and i´m lagging in my brain. I always felt a little off especially with Asuka´s crushing abilities. I have a lot of Setups and i more or less always timed it like Tekken 7. Well this explains why it didnt come out even tho the frames are the same. Thanks man
I'm a veteran player and heard that the buffer was bad recently, but I honestly couldn't feel what they were talking about. It feels fine to me other than like very specific moves.
I'll have to look into Lee's new frame data after seeing this. The timing for the combo after d3 seems slightly off to me, though I will gladly admit that it might just be rust from taking a break for a while.
this game is hype for now but Im pretty sure this game will be dead after 2 ,3 years how they make the game so bad its just for fun but competitively this is not gonna work
Oh, so that's how while running moves work. You can input F * in block and and then the F * F~ after recovery. This is how dash moves come out 1f greater than the start up frame from stun(F * is buffer then F on first active frame and forward+attack on second).
I noticed this with Steve. After dck1 pickup, more frequently than I would admit the df1,2~1 input doesn't go through and instead just ends up being b1 and makes me drop the combo.
this doesn’t explain why tekken 8 eats inputs especially at the start of the round, il mash 1, 3 & the character will just do standing 3, or I’ll do the same move as my opponent & he’ll beat me out. Tekken 8 has a input problem that needs to be addressed.
That's bold, considering that I put buffer in Tekken 7 is still broken to this day. Go pick up Josie and throw out her max damage combo out of cd-2 (cd-2, f3, f3, f3, f2-3-4, d, 3f3). If you run the f3s too quickly, it will buffer a fourth f3 without any input and drop your combo
AND PEOPLE CALLED ME A MAD MAN THIS ALSO CHANGED LEE B2 (almost 1.5k hrs online/offline t7 experience) TIMMING IN WHICH I ARGUED IT FELT OFF WHEN I GOT THE GAME
In depth Tekken 8 NETCODE video next? Would love a showcase of all settings and when each setting may prove more useful, example, Prefer Fluidity on high PING games.
The game is actually eating and not registering inputs, though. Both games: Tekken 7 and Tekken 8 have this problem. But in Tekken 8 it's a bigger problem. It comes from a different problem. It comes from the fact that it checks for inputs at the start of each tick. The thing is that Tekken 7 ticks at 60 Hz even when your FPS is lower than 60 FPS. So when you get frame drops, your game still ticks at 60 Hz and doesn't fall behind in time compared to your opponent. The problem in Tekken 8, though, is that if you don't have constant 60 FPS and you start dropping frames, even to like 58 FPS, it makes the game run *slower* compared to your opponent that, hopefully, runns at 60 FPS. And when your game runs slower, it checks for inputs less often: because it checks for inputs only once per tick and there are less ticks per second, and also the game speed is different. Also, this makes your clients desync in time: the opponent is running at 60 FPS and you're running on 58 FPS in this example, their game runs quicker than yours. After some time, both of your games notice this problem and start to sync, this results in a visible microstuttering on the client that didn't drop any frames and is ahead in time. During this microstuttering, the game checks inputs less often just as it did for you when you was dropping frames.
Very interesting! And important for everyone to know! I didn't test the impact of game performance on inputs (as the complaints I personally received didn't involve game performance), but it sounds like a major factor that could explain many player's dissatisfaction with inputs.
I see so i wasn't crazy 🤣 so this the GAP i been feeling, like on literally everything as in 👀 every interaction i felt just slower and more unsafe despite similar frames i felt i was getting stuck on stuff after doing actions or like buffering inputs.
Great to have confirmation on this, thanks! If you have t7 and t8 on at the same time playing with the same controller, sometimes you'll get a backdash cancel in 7 but you won't in 8 and you will get a multi button input like a 1+2 or something, in 7 but not 8. Do we know any details on that?
I felt the timings on my combos were really off and my old muscle memory was causing me to drop shit. I haven’t noticed this as much in neutral just in combos.
Nice vid/explainer, but there is still something going on under the hood that eats inputs. Maybe this is what people are talking about and not necessarily the buffer system? I've noticed on several occasions Reina's cd3 not coming out when trying to hit grounded opponents post-knd even though the crouchdash happens, and the replay shows that the 3 is inputted resulting in a naked crouchdash. That's not a buffer issue (hence the crouchdash), and this is something other high-level players are speculating on since they're seeing similar stuff too, many times mid combo. Maybe it's an online thing?
Now that you mention it, I feel like I've heard other Reina players complain about cd3 specifically... It's possible that move in particular has some special restriction? I'd be happy to look at any Reina replays that involve this issue, if anyone is willing to send them my way.
If you input the cd3 early whatsoever, e.g. the first f input gets eaten, the cd3 input will give df3, which is Reina's command crouchdash with no special sound. In those kinds of situations, check if her manual crouchdash sound can be heard (and the special visual can be seen). If not, it's likely an execution error and the command crouchdash was input. While the df3 command crouchdash cannot be buffered, slightly misstiming the completely unbufferable cd3 will result in just df3 input.
the the running system is horrible. try to do a back 2 with bryan running up without getting a jet upper...does that count to the buffer system? i also dont like how u now have to run up input back and then the forwad move to not get a running move(leroys wall combo for example)
Technically, it doesn't count as an input buffer issue but there have been drastic changes to the running state and input interpretation. Many of the things we used to do don't work before. As for interrupting run, you can also cancel with df if that's easier. e.g., f,f,f~df~f+3 to get "iWR" f+3 on Bryan
I rarely drop my hard combo, Feels 100% visual responsive on PS5 T8 but T7 PC feels so inconsistency with huge buffer and visual lag from my experience
That's probably why I felt T7 to be snappier, T8 looks faster paced but I think it is slightly slower. Probably another reason why it's beginner friendly.
This is only me but yeah I always feel something is off, somwthing is delay not sure if it is my input to the point that I quit because it is so annoying, tnx to your video now I know it is not only me -_-
0:50 I had heard that motions with inputs are not all the same. Paul's Death Fist is apparently a stance done with the motion, then the attack is done by pressing the punch button.
The only thing I noticed VERY clearly is that you can't just tap forward right after doing 1,2 with Lee to go into miststep in this game. You need to delay the forward input. Didn't have to do that in previous games. I'm adapting, but many years of muslcememory screws me over.
You don't actually need to delay the input, just press and hold it once the 1,2 string is queued. The same applies after B2, making mist steps come out at the first available frame. Tapping them just makes it harder now
All i can say is that there is something of with Jet Upper. Also running into neutral into standing buttons works fine without having to use the two button tech.
I have to mash 3 on dragunovs d413 on tekken 8 on leverless but don’t need to on pad, dunno why. It’s not 8 frames off it’s like 2-3 but I input it barely too fast on pad and it pisses me off
Its under display settings, simple details/display. It removes the specific frame data tho, which sucks as you could both have the frame data and recovery colors in t7.
i always hated the input buffer in tekken 7 and how it makes 1+2 out of a held 1 button and a late 2 press. this only happens in strings and there is nothing to assist you with a 1+2 input outside of strings. to me this is the exact opposite of what it should do. i drop my combos because i'm getting a buffered combined input and i miss things like stance changes or shoulder tackles because i pressed one of the two buttons a frame too late. do you happen to know the amount of frames i have to turn a single button into a string? i came across this video because i'm currently playing xiaoyu (never played her in 7) and the 1 doesn't come out in the f314 string. which should be an extremely easy input. i have no idea what's going on. in general i feel like i'm dropping pretty easy inputs, i even double checked if my arcade stick is causing it. i never played xiaoyu before, so it can't be the muscle memory.
Great video, but there is actually 1 significant change in tekken 8 buffer: if you buffer f and neutral input for ff moves and it works in this way: after recovery is finished, first F from buffer is already executed and first input will be neutral, even if you hold F, then second input will be the button that you're holding. This way you can do ff move by doing f,n,f(hold) and just pressing attack input on 2nd frame after recovery which makes it easier (it doesnt work in tekken 7). same method lets you buffer the whole backdash, in recovery by doing b, n, (hold)B and u will always do backdash at first possible frame (also only in tekken 8)
Interesting! I wasn’t aware of this and I’ll be sure to test it as soon as I can. Thank you for the info!
I think this is why I get a lot of bb+4's from my BDC'ing as Lee instead of my usual b+4, I thought as much it was a system change!
@@AZYG4LYFEI quit doing that and just do a forward back motion instead
@@Alsry1 I do that indeed, and even an ss as an alternative
Would this mean that a 12 frame ff2 can never punish a -12 on block move though? Since the first frame after recovery is automatically reserved for neutral?
Man said "literal skill issue" and brought receipts to prove it
Did you not watch the video past the first two minutes? It's not that long.
@@TheRadioSquare Sure I did. Muscle memory is a learned skill and the veterans have a slight issue with it after the transition to T8 so they need to adjust to compensate.
@@Buznik_ No attention span or reading comprehension, poor boy.
@@TheRadioSquareComment is not wrong.
@@Buznik_ Maybe Tate just feels like shit and it's not fun to get skilled at sluggish garbage?
You know what I really really want in Tekken 8? The frame data timeline from SF6. That thing is incredible and makes it instantly clear where your input mistakes are because you can see right on the bar where your opponent's recovery frames end and where your active frames begin. Combos, frame traps, meaty setups all become 10x more intuitive and consistent, and while the frame counter in Tekken is nice, it just doesn't compare to the clear visuals of SF6's timeline.
maybe we'll get it as DLC /s
The quality of your videos is soo great, Tekken community is blessed, thank you!
Thanks for this! Helps to explain the issue many of us have had
I’m still a newbie for the most part, and learning the game is fun! But I can definitely feel the pain you would go through with certain frame changes and stuff like that due to muscle memory😢
This explains alot of things! One thing i noticed before watching this video is that DVJ is affected by this change the most. His 3+4 FLY stance in T7 had an auto block feature(removed in T8). The recovery frames also affect him negatively(thank gawd) because in T7 you had a few frame where you could input an attack while hes falling back to ground. Id opt for you to try this yourself.
2 technical Tekken videos back to back?
Subbed and alerted. We need those, and we are grateful for these.
This is a very useful video idea that there isn’t much talk about. Might have been able to get into a little more detail about things that aren’t bufferable, but still a very good entry point.
When I was getting into the game learning Paul during the beta and T7, deathfist felt like it would never come out. But it’s all because the quarter circle motion is a wave dash, and wave dashes can’t be buffered. It took me a LONG time to figure that out, which is crazy considering how old T7 is
Awesome stuff. Would love to see a similar video breaking down the new netcode in 8 and how it's different from 7.
thanks a lot for these videos, i love when people explore the more minor details of fighting game mechanics
it's extremely helpful since i only really played 2D fgs and tekken is... really weird
As a longtime Tekken enjoyer, I can confidently say Tekken is the most esoteric mainstream fighting game out there.
I'm just happy to help!
Love the video and the info too, but I'm just specifically commenting to appreciate the fact that you used Cave Story OST for this. I love that game to bits.
Hmmm I'm no veteran but I feel it. I really do. Here I was chocking up to input lag and online, apparently not.
It’s the exact same thing as T7 only a timing difference. This only affects people who played tekken 7 and are doing the same timing as they did in that game because of their muscle memory.
If you aren’t a veteran T7 player you are not messing up for any reason other than you just need to practice the timing. Idk what you mean by you “feel it”. You shouldn’t have any muscle memory if you didn’t play T7.
@@bobbill4257 I have 2000hrs of tekken 7 and I'm at tekken king ranks.
I think I used the word veteran in a different way. I meant I'm no pro but I do play. My bad.
@@Ymyeh-lr8wj I would def call you a "veteran" at that point lol. That's a lot of time and dedication to a fighting game, pro or not.
@@valeoncat13 I guess it does lol. I just never thought of it that way 😅
@@Ymyeh-lr8wj ah ok I understand. Hope I didn’t come across aggressively. Just wanted to make sure any new tekken players don’t drop the game bcs they think the game isn’t functioning properly.
Very clear explanations. I knew something was quite bizarre in my gameplay sometimes. Now I know why, thanks
I LOVE when people get into the guts of these games to see how they actually function
Keep doing what you do, there's not nearly enough out there on the platform doing this
I don't know man, I feel like tekken 8 has lost its flow it feels icky to me, my body is just rejecting it. It feels unsatisfactory. It just feels disconnected. That's the nicest way I can put it.
1:04 This explains why I couldn't get my while running move out easily like in Tekken 7. It makes sense now, thanks
Exceptionnal video. Thank you for your work. I KNEW something wasn't right.
Man this is a QUALITY video. Keep up bro you're a hero
I was wondering why this T8 game feels so clonky! I would do regular T7 timings and the move wouldn't come out! Great video!!!
Well when you ask players to nail just frame inputs to take advantage of frames then change the timing is harsh.
Basically, Tekken 7 players mad that a new game is slightly different from previous one, they have to learn new frame data
Input Buffer IS broken. Thank you Mr. Gelatin.
Excellent taste in music.
Thanks for the info, Gelatin. I hadn't noticed any of this, but it's good to know.
This video is amazing and really helps us understand the game itself a lot better! Thank you
10/10 video, you have an amazing format with interesting topics
Subbed! I knew the timing felt different with the buffer window! Great video!
This is actually really important info
thanks for the great video again, always learn something new
I had no idea!!!!! No wonder why my timing seems so off. Gonna press everything early now
The video's saying you have to press stuff later than you're used to - if you press early you're gonna miss even more stuff. (Unless you were acting like there was no input buffer at all before, in which case that's my b)
1:10 Not only the first direction but also the neutral input can be buffered: neutral is a complete input and a cancel in the movement system, just as forward.
So, in the dashes the *f,n* part of the *f,n,f* input can be buffered. This allows for an i16 f,f+2 on Dragunov, for example.
Intriguing information you've found. This makes a lot of sense to me
I saw a tweet of someone complaining the game ate their inputs, but they had their inputs on screen and I could see they just made an input error.
TIL. I'm learning so much about Tekken!
Yeah, minor adjustments can throw you off so much, lol. It's really weird how simply 1-3 frames can actually change everything.
Great video just like the last ones! I love your editing aswell as the details you point out ❤
One universal tip for Tekken 7 players
What ever you want to input after the first attack, do it with delay
You have a lot more time to confirm if attack hits
Concise and answers everything. Thank you.
Another banger video
I noticed that on Yoshimitsu for example. In T7 you could do b2 and while still holding b2 you press down 1 to get 1+2 that transition into kin stance. But in T8 I need to let go of back before b2 animation finishes, otherwise b2,1 will happen instead.
Great video. Thank you for looking into this 💪
Amazing video, good stuff man.
Great job, excellent presentation and research.
What feels strange is the throw break windows and trimming. I was trying to think how I'm extra good and whiff punishment in this game now it makes. Sense
Alisa hopkick had a long window for the followup. Now you have to input it asap. Also it recovers now standing. Opponent needs to learn new mucle memory for punish too. 1,2 jabs -3 on block too.
Holy shit, thank you for this. this got recommended and we were wondering the same as well. if you would be so kind to post this on the tekken subreddit so more would know! as much as i want to, you should be the one to do it! i think they will appreciate it as well.
I don't use Reddit very often, so I didn't think to but I suppose I could.
I wouldn't mind if anyone else did, though!
The changes to the input buffer made it easier to do the side steo dance.
i swear to god i though i was going crazy and i´m lagging in my brain. I always felt a little off especially with Asuka´s crushing abilities. I have a lot of Setups and i more or less always timed it like Tekken 7. Well this explains why it didnt come out even tho the frames are the same. Thanks man
This video is amazing, thank you for sharing all of this information!
Aaah it was the recovery the whole time. Gotcha. I’m still adjusting my timing. Hopefully I’ll get it all down soon
Notice on day one it felt stiff but I quickly adjusted and adapted to it
What a wonderful video. Thanks so much for making it!
banger song choice, early gba emblem music is the most nostalgic shit for me
This is super useful information, thank you for the good presentation 🙏
I'm a veteran player and heard that the buffer was bad recently, but I honestly couldn't feel what they were talking about. It feels fine to me other than like very specific moves.
I'll have to look into Lee's new frame data after seeing this. The timing for the combo after d3 seems slightly off to me, though I will gladly admit that it might just be rust from taking a break for a while.
this game is hype for now but Im pretty sure this game will be dead after 2 ,3 years how they make the game so bad its just for fun but competitively this is not gonna work
Oh, so that's how while running moves work.
You can input F * in block and and then the F * F~ after recovery.
This is how dash moves come out 1f greater than the start up frame from stun(F * is buffer then F on first active frame and forward+attack on second).
I noticed this with Steve. After dck1 pickup, more frequently than I would admit the df1,2~1 input doesn't go through and instead just ends up being b1 and makes me drop the combo.
this doesn’t explain why tekken 8 eats inputs especially at the start of the round, il mash 1, 3 & the character will just do standing 3, or I’ll do the same move as my opponent & he’ll beat me out. Tekken 8 has a input problem that needs to be addressed.
That's bold, considering that I put buffer in Tekken 7 is still broken to this day. Go pick up Josie and throw out her max damage combo out of cd-2 (cd-2, f3, f3, f3, f2-3-4, d, 3f3). If you run the f3s too quickly, it will buffer a fourth f3 without any input and drop your combo
AND PEOPLE CALLED ME A MAD MAN THIS ALSO CHANGED LEE B2 (almost 1.5k hrs online/offline t7 experience) TIMMING IN WHICH I ARGUED IT FELT OFF WHEN I GOT THE GAME
I feel the same no wonder I lose all the time.
In depth Tekken 8 NETCODE video next? Would love a showcase of all settings and when each setting may prove more useful, example, Prefer Fluidity on high PING games.
I can give you my assessment if you'd like, its not too long of a read.....
It sucks ass
The game is actually eating and not registering inputs, though. Both games: Tekken 7 and Tekken 8 have this problem. But in Tekken 8 it's a bigger problem.
It comes from a different problem. It comes from the fact that it checks for inputs at the start of each tick. The thing is that Tekken 7 ticks at 60 Hz even when your FPS is lower than 60 FPS. So when you get frame drops, your game still ticks at 60 Hz and doesn't fall behind in time compared to your opponent.
The problem in Tekken 8, though, is that if you don't have constant 60 FPS and you start dropping frames, even to like 58 FPS, it makes the game run *slower* compared to your opponent that, hopefully, runns at 60 FPS. And when your game runs slower, it checks for inputs less often: because it checks for inputs only once per tick and there are less ticks per second, and also the game speed is different. Also, this makes your clients desync in time: the opponent is running at 60 FPS and you're running on 58 FPS in this example, their game runs quicker than yours. After some time, both of your games notice this problem and start to sync, this results in a visible microstuttering on the client that didn't drop any frames and is ahead in time. During this microstuttering, the game checks inputs less often just as it did for you when you was dropping frames.
Very interesting! And important for everyone to know!
I didn't test the impact of game performance on inputs (as the complaints I personally received didn't involve game performance), but it sounds like a major factor that could explain many player's dissatisfaction with inputs.
Much appreciated insight!
I see so i wasn't crazy 🤣 so this the GAP i been feeling, like on literally everything as in 👀 every interaction i felt just slower and more unsafe despite similar frames i felt i was getting stuck on stuff after doing actions or like buffering inputs.
idk I still feel sad for not being able to arc blast punish a rage art :( I think I just got the rhythm of a drumkit rolling down an escalator.
They have to bring back this color frame indicator on regular practice mode. No clue why i can only find it in replays
It's under Display > Player Frame Info > Simple Display!
Great to have confirmation on this, thanks!
If you have t7 and t8 on at the same time playing with the same controller, sometimes you'll get a backdash cancel in 7 but you won't in 8 and you will get a multi button input like a 1+2 or something, in 7 but not 8. Do we know any details on that?
Wow very cool informational video thank you
This guy is a saint
Great video! Love your content
I felt the timings on my combos were really off and my old muscle memory was causing me to drop shit. I haven’t noticed this as much in neutral just in combos.
My immediate thought was that the missing input is caused by shoddy netcode
Well, there's definitely a netcode component for online play AND a game performance component (
Yeah, that explains why my stance cancel iws moves aren't coming out even if it shows that I pressed the input. Im going to fast I guess.
Steve's qcf 1 feels AWFUL. It's like I need to hold forward for like a second before doing a move
Nice vid/explainer, but there is still something going on under the hood that eats inputs. Maybe this is what people are talking about and not necessarily the buffer system? I've noticed on several occasions Reina's cd3 not coming out when trying to hit grounded opponents post-knd even though the crouchdash happens, and the replay shows that the 3 is inputted resulting in a naked crouchdash. That's not a buffer issue (hence the crouchdash), and this is something other high-level players are speculating on since they're seeing similar stuff too, many times mid combo. Maybe it's an online thing?
Now that you mention it, I feel like I've heard other Reina players complain about cd3 specifically...
It's possible that move in particular has some special restriction?
I'd be happy to look at any Reina replays that involve this issue, if anyone is willing to send them my way.
If you input the cd3 early whatsoever, e.g. the first f input gets eaten, the cd3 input will give df3, which is Reina's command crouchdash with no special sound. In those kinds of situations, check if her manual crouchdash sound can be heard (and the special visual can be seen). If not, it's likely an execution error and the command crouchdash was input. While the df3 command crouchdash cannot be buffered, slightly misstiming the completely unbufferable cd3 will result in just df3 input.
In short, they said "fuck your muscle memory"
Yea i knew something was up every time i do something my opponent like interupts and its supposed to still be my turn
Amazing video. Thanks for doing the science and not stating a worthless opinion like everyone else
Amazing video. Thanks a lot
Crazy , i kept thinking everyone is just mashing inputs and i guess im right , and so make sure everything doesnt wiff lol
so what you're saying is we gotta mash after we whiff, got it
the the running system is horrible. try to do a back 2 with bryan running up without getting a jet upper...does that count to the buffer system? i also dont like how u now have to run up input back and then the forwad move to not get a running move(leroys wall combo for example)
Technically, it doesn't count as an input buffer issue but there have been drastic changes to the running state and input interpretation. Many of the things we used to do don't work before.
As for interrupting run, you can also cancel with df if that's easier.
e.g., f,f,f~df~f+3 to get "iWR" f+3 on Bryan
Prolly has to do with the mutant Harada netcode.
Thanks i thought it was my internet
I rarely drop my hard combo, Feels 100% visual responsive on PS5 T8
but T7 PC feels so inconsistency with huge buffer and visual lag from my experience
That's probably why I felt T7 to be snappier, T8 looks faster paced but I think it is slightly slower. Probably another reason why it's beginner friendly.
This is only me but yeah I always feel something is off, somwthing is delay not sure if it is my input to the point that I quit because it is so annoying, tnx to your video now I know it is not only me -_-
No lie I swore I was able to whiff punish better now. But now I’m sad. I thought I just got better 😔
Great video. Subbed
have you tried buffering mist step on kazuya? or whatever forward, neutral input is called? Than pwgf would be easier.
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I had heard that motions with inputs are not all the same. Paul's Death Fist is apparently a stance done with the motion, then the attack is done by pressing the punch button.
Exactly so! It's a move that's only accessible in his Unique Crouch Dash which, as I explained in the video, is not bufferable in any way.
The only thing I noticed VERY clearly is that you can't just tap forward right after doing 1,2 with Lee to go into miststep in this game.
You need to delay the forward input. Didn't have to do that in previous games. I'm adapting, but many years of muslcememory screws me over.
You don't actually need to delay the input, just press and hold it once the 1,2 string is queued. The same applies after B2, making mist steps come out at the first available frame. Tapping them just makes it harder now
All i can say is that there is something of with Jet Upper. Also running into neutral into standing buttons works fine without having to use the two button tech.
I have to mash 3 on dragunovs d413 on tekken 8 on leverless but don’t need to on pad, dunno why. It’s not 8 frames off it’s like 2-3 but I input it barely too fast on pad and it pisses me off
how did you get the color overlay? it was in Tekken 7 but I can only find it in punishment training in Tekken 8
Its under display settings, simple details/display. It removes the specific frame data tho, which sucks as you could both have the frame data and recovery colors in t7.
@@damakmen34 thanks
i always hated the input buffer in tekken 7 and how it makes 1+2 out of a held 1 button and a late 2 press. this only happens in strings and there is nothing to assist you with a 1+2 input outside of strings. to me this is the exact opposite of what it should do. i drop my combos because i'm getting a buffered combined input and i miss things like stance changes or shoulder tackles because i pressed one of the two buttons a frame too late.
do you happen to know the amount of frames i have to turn a single button into a string? i came across this video because i'm currently playing xiaoyu (never played her in 7) and the 1 doesn't come out in the f314 string. which should be an extremely easy input. i have no idea what's going on. in general i feel like i'm dropping pretty easy inputs, i even double checked if my arcade stick is causing it. i never played xiaoyu before, so it can't be the muscle memory.
CAME HERE AFTER RECENT BOOM CAST............
Wasn't aware I was mentioned so thanks for the heads up!
Glad to hear the message is being shared around.