This is one of the best overviews I’ve seen of how 802.1r works, irrespective of the Mikrotik specific detail. The little comment at the end about fast roaming between the 2.4g and 5g radios of a single AP device is especially noteworthy. Good job
a quick run through of enabling this in the gui would be nice. its as simple as opening the FT tab of the configuration, clicking the down arrow then clicking the new enable box next to "FT Enabled". same for "FT Over DS"
thanks for showing how to do this with some simple steps via CAPsMAN keep it up! 💪💪 ps.: toms, victors and normis are the best understandable and well pronounced guys from mikrotik in front of the camera!
We could do with an in depth hardware analysis and testing of your caps. The community still looks at mikrotik wifi solutions inferior to the competition. I’d love to see you take a direct look at that :)
can you update this video with the explanation about capsman wifiwawe2 via wonbox? the capsman for AX is different from the B/G/N/AC. we are very interested to see the new capsman feature and configuration
@@mikrotik thank you so much for your answer, I’m very happy if you have time to show winbox because the new capsman is different from the previous one ( grafic difference and info in winbox ). Maybe is nice for the person want use capsan to have some info about the difference from the “normal” capsman and the capsman for AX device.
It would be an understatement that I'm surprised Mikrotik has a proper 802.11rkv. What's left is to make a proper wifi hardware and it will be my go-to instead of Unifi.
Thank you very much TOMS, after one lose day with two hAP ax3 routers I completely config CAPsMAN with one same SSID between they, which work perfectly after this Fast transition option without any interruption and any lose package ! But is there have an way to work with WPA3 PSK authentication ? Thank you again and greetings from Bulgaria !
Can this be achieved using a Chateau 18ax as the managing instance of router OS and another third-party AP that supports 802.11r? or must the APs be Mikrotik APs?
Seems to require all of them to be registered with CAPsMAN but I am curious about this as well - I would love to keep my "old"(Wifi 6) wireless routers and potentially add Mikrotik into the mix.
@@aliancemd I just tested this by turning my old TP-Link Archer WiFi 6 router into AP mode and running it off from my chateau 18ax and it seems to roam seemlessly between the two signals.
@@gtdownhillmedia Is the Chateau and TP-Link Archer using the same SSID(wireless name) with password protection? I saw that they do something special through CAPsMAN where they communicate the authentication of a client on the first AP, to the other Mikrotik devices, so you can re-authenticate on the fly with the other devices.
General Question about Netinstall, is this behavior normal…? If the firmware of a switch isn’t actually broken you can’t use Netinstall to actually reflash the device? I’ve tried this with a CRS326-24S+2Q+RM that had a broken firmware, used Netinstall to flash it to RouterOS 7.11.2, the switch is working fine again. Out of curiosity I tried reflashing the now working switch (followed the same steps with powering the switch on while holding the reset button until it appeared in the Netinstall software) but when clicking install now nothing seems to be happening. ?
Ohh, I got terrible down speeds with Sony mobile when 2.4g only 802.1r AP was kind of far away (-70-75) and FT enabled. PC no problem, xperia crawling (down 1Mbps, up 10Mbps). As soon as FT was turned off, xperia is fast enough again (up/down 20-40Mbps).
I have 3 CAP AX. It works only on ROS up to 7.10.2. On last stable 7.14.2 roaming does not work at all. And till now we do not have 100% functional CAPSMAN with datapath, VLAN, etc.
A little over 1 second? That still seems really slow... I would have expected something like 50ms. Is there room for improvement here still or is this theoretically optimised?
I agree, these roaming time appears way too high. Especially PSK without 802.11r should be a lot faster. It would be kind of funny if Mikrotik themselves made this mistake, but maybe they didn't configure spanning tree properly or roaming is slowed by suboptimal security.connect-priority settings.
Roaming works for interfaces managed by one RouterOS. Does it apply also to roaming between local interfaces not managed by capsman but on the router with capsman and remote aps managed by this capsman?
I managed to confirm that local interface and managed by capsman roam properly. It is not necessary and even not possible when using VLAN to manage all by capsman only.
We check the new AX wifi 3 products and sorry, still not good range of signal and we not move into wifi system to MikroTik - this proove our old theory that mtk good wifi was in past with own protocols.. not now :( Main routers etc is a core for us, maybe a switches but you just enter 2,5GbE and still no 10GbEthernet versions...
At the point that you sort out the HaP AX2 2.4Ghz so that it is actually usable, I will happily switch my APs. The Mikrotik forum is full of people asking for help with the hardware, and no one is getting answers.
What’s wrong with hap ax 2.4 ghz? Can you post a link to this “full of people asking”? Never heard of this. We will help you, just make sure you email support @ MikroTik . Com with details
I'm using hAP ax2 for almost one year now, latest RouterBoard firmware and OS. No problems with 2.4GHz range or bandwidth with 5GHz (1Gbps layer 1 bandwidth throughput). 100% guaranteed your issues are caused by misconfig or rare hardware issue.
@@mikrotik It might be the interface hangs you fixed in 7.10.2 - I've seen as well people complaining about wifi dropping but did not experience that on hAP ax3
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This is one of the best overviews I’ve seen of how 802.1r works, irrespective of the Mikrotik specific detail. The little comment at the end about fast roaming between the 2.4g and 5g radios of a single AP device is especially noteworthy. Good job
El roaming funciona bien con capaz y el wifi del router hap ax3?
I didn't realise this can be used locally for 2.4GHz-5GHz transitions. Thank you very much!
@mikrotik Please allow us to disable lower data rates ,that would improve perfomance and also roaming further, specially in dense environments.
not posible, because wifi certifications, device need low data rates for negotiations...
a quick run through of enabling this in the gui would be nice. its as simple as opening the FT tab of the configuration, clicking the down arrow then clicking the new enable box next to "FT Enabled". same for "FT Over DS"
It is working great for me with multiple cAP ax
Thank you Mikrotik.
El roaming funciona bien con capaz y el wifi del router hap ax3?
This is so fucking good. I've been searching for an explanation like this my whole day
Great video. Definitely improved my understanding of 802.11r benefits even when using Preshared keys.
thanks for showing how to do this with some simple steps via CAPsMAN
keep it up! 💪💪
ps.: toms, victors and normis are the best understandable and well pronounced guys from mikrotik in front of the camera!
Very awaited feature! Thank you!
We could do with an in depth hardware analysis and testing of your caps. The community still looks at mikrotik wifi solutions inferior to the competition. I’d love to see you take a direct look at that :)
If there is no reason not to enable, why is it not the default?
This is awesome! Been waiting for this video! THANK YOU! You guys are the best! I'm in love...
can you update this video with the explanation about capsman wifiwawe2 via wonbox? the capsman for AX is different from the B/G/N/AC. we are very interested to see the new capsman feature and configuration
This video actually shows how to enable the new capsman
@@mikrotik thank you so much for your answer, I’m very happy if you have time to show winbox because the new capsman is different from the previous one ( grafic difference and info in winbox ). Maybe is nice for the person want use capsan to have some info about the difference from the “normal” capsman and the capsman for AX device.
It would be an understatement that I'm surprised Mikrotik has a proper 802.11rkv. What's left is to make a proper wifi hardware and it will be my go-to instead of Unifi.
Guess the time finally has come for me to invest into new APs. \o/
Finally, BSS Transition is finally here
What's the story with band steering?
Cool video
Can you do similar explanation for 802.11 k and v standards please? Would be useful for fellow AX capsman users
Thank you very much TOMS, after one lose day with two hAP ax3 routers I completely config CAPsMAN with one same SSID between they, which work perfectly after this Fast transition option without any interruption and any lose package ! But is there have an way to work with WPA3 PSK authentication ? Thank you again and greetings from Bulgaria !
Can this be achieved using a Chateau 18ax as the managing instance of router OS and another third-party AP that supports 802.11r? or must the APs be Mikrotik APs?
Seems to require all of them to be registered with CAPsMAN but I am curious about this as well - I would love to keep my "old"(Wifi 6) wireless routers and potentially add Mikrotik into the mix.
@@aliancemd I just tested this by turning my old TP-Link Archer WiFi 6 router into AP mode and running it off from my chateau 18ax and it seems to roam seemlessly between the two signals.
@@gtdownhillmedia Is the Chateau and TP-Link Archer using the same SSID(wireless name) with password protection? I saw that they do something special through CAPsMAN where they communicate the authentication of a client on the first AP, to the other Mikrotik devices, so you can re-authenticate on the fly with the other devices.
Great video! Does roaming works with wpa3 also? I heard it has some issues do to higher security...
Not for me (hap ax3). WPA2/WPA3-EAP only
Can roaming be done with the hap ac3 and cap ac devices with the wifi-qcom-ac package?
Thanks, very useful!
General Question about Netinstall, is this behavior normal…?
If the firmware of a switch isn’t actually broken you can’t use Netinstall to actually reflash the device?
I’ve tried this with a CRS326-24S+2Q+RM that had a broken firmware, used Netinstall to flash it to RouterOS 7.11.2, the switch is working fine again. Out of curiosity I tried reflashing the now working switch (followed the same steps with powering the switch on while holding the reset button until it appeared in the Netinstall software) but when clicking install now nothing seems to be happening.
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Ohh, I got terrible down speeds with Sony mobile when 2.4g only 802.1r AP was kind of far away (-70-75) and FT enabled. PC no problem, xperia crawling (down 1Mbps, up 10Mbps). As soon as FT was turned off, xperia is fast enough again (up/down 20-40Mbps).
I'm confused as to what is the difference between this and a wireless mesh? and a WDS.
I have 3 CAP AX. It works only on ROS up to 7.10.2. On last stable 7.14.2 roaming does not work at all. And till now we do not have 100% functional CAPSMAN with datapath, VLAN, etc.
A little over 1 second? That still seems really slow... I would have expected something like 50ms. Is there room for improvement here still or is this theoretically optimised?
I agree, these roaming time appears way too high. Especially PSK without 802.11r should be a lot faster. It would be kind of funny if Mikrotik themselves made this mistake, but maybe they didn't configure spanning tree properly or roaming is slowed by suboptimal security.connect-priority settings.
The 800.11r is compatible whit ac?
Yes, if you use the wifiwave2 package on a supported model, the old package does not have this feature.
@@mikrotik whit hap ac tc no hap ax?
Nice!
Need info about CAPsMAN v2 supported device list. CRS326 can`t install extra wave2 package :(
You can run capsman on any of the ax access points directly
@@mikrotik no any way to add capsman v2 controller to some crs/rb devices?
@@timsterok you can now.
thanks
Is 802.11k and 802.11v also supported?
Their changelogs seem to suggest that yes but you need to make sure you have the latest version for improved support.
Did I hear correctly? Mikrotik finally supports 802.11r ???
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Super
why in the past devices with Symbian and Windows CE was able to "roaming" on cheap routers?
All devices could “roaming”, the new technology makes it faster and with less noticeable interruptions
Roaming works for interfaces managed by one RouterOS. Does it apply also to roaming between local interfaces not managed by capsman but on the router with capsman and remote aps managed by this capsman?
I manager to confirm this. Lokal and capsman interface roam. It is not neccessery and even not possible when usind VLAN to manage all by capsman only
I managed to confirm that local interface and managed by capsman roam properly. It is not necessary and even not possible when using VLAN to manage all by capsman only.
Bless you and thank you!
We check the new AX wifi 3 products and sorry, still not good range of signal and we not move into wifi system to MikroTik - this proove our old theory that mtk good wifi was in past with own protocols.. not now :( Main routers etc is a core for us, maybe a switches but you just enter 2,5GbE and still no 10GbEthernet versions...
Hello 2020 mikrotik
We had this feature for more than a year, this isn’t an announcement, it’s a tutorial
@@mikrotik since 2022
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Not sure why you talk about fast roaming without mentioning 802.11k/v. They bring more value than 802.11r.
blink man
At the point that you sort out the HaP AX2 2.4Ghz so that it is actually usable, I will happily switch my APs. The Mikrotik forum is full of people asking for help with the hardware, and no one is getting answers.
What’s wrong with hap ax 2.4 ghz? Can you post a link to this “full of people asking”? Never heard of this. We will help you, just make sure you email support @ MikroTik . Com with details
I'm using hAP ax2 for almost one year now, latest RouterBoard firmware and OS. No problems with 2.4GHz range or bandwidth with 5GHz (1Gbps layer 1 bandwidth throughput).
100% guaranteed your issues are caused by misconfig or rare hardware issue.
@@mikrotik It might be the interface hangs you fixed in 7.10.2 - I've seen as well people complaining about wifi dropping but did not experience that on hAP ax3