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  • Опубликовано: 2 мар 2024
  • After a Chinese Restaurant owner is found dead, the team believe they have found their lead, a homeless man taking refuge nearby. That is until they discover the involvement of 5 teenagers.
    Season 11, Episode 12 'Teenage Wasteland': After a teen is arrested for the murder of a Chinese restaurant owner found outside an abandoned apartment, the DA must decide whether or not to seek the death penalty.
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  • @cecejamesable
    @cecejamesable 3 месяца назад +1752

    Let's be honest if you can kill someone who never wronged you as they are vomiting from pain, begging and pleading for their life only to cruelly silence them. You don't deserve to be among the public.

    • @foolslayer9416
      @foolslayer9416 3 месяца назад +54

      Life is too good for monsters like him.

    • @avocadoaficiando
      @avocadoaficiando 3 месяца назад +15

      You may not deserve to be among the public but being behind bars would solve that

    • @DANTE-kg4zg
      @DANTE-kg4zg 3 месяца назад +17

      that's the whole point of a life sentence

    • @richardneale2734
      @richardneale2734 3 месяца назад +53

      @@avocadoaficiandoExcept then everyone including the victims family is paying for the incarceration through taxes. Playing devils advocate, but also where are the rights of the victim

    • @Deborahtunes
      @Deborahtunes 3 месяца назад +46

      ​​@@richardneale2734 ~ I agree. I am so tired of murderers being able to live, and take advantage of the system, while the victim's family suffer for the rest of their life.
      Not to mention, they could be released years/decades later. Look at the Manson murders. Leslie Van Houten, who helped kill Sharon Tate, convicted of 2 murders, was released in July of 2023. It's sickening...

  • @schulteq
    @schulteq 3 месяца назад +639

    The argument that he’s barely 18 is so stupid. When I was 18 I never once considered robbing then brutally murdering someone.

    • @Aggression-hc3yp
      @Aggression-hc3yp 2 месяца назад +6

      For some people, eighteen is the age where you’re no longer a child. For others, childhood ends the moment you know you’re going to die.

    • @vladimirrashkovsky6274
      @vladimirrashkovsky6274 2 месяца назад

      @@Aggression-hc3yp not really. I mean if you’re not white and 18 then you’re still a kid. Look at those four who kidnapped a mentally disabled white kid and beat him for days. They all got off and even if they killed him they wouldn’t have gotten the death penalty. Why? Because the reality is being non-Jewish white means to half the country that you don’t deserve racial equality. CRT literally outlines that specifically whiteness is the route of racism and that racism cannot exist without it. That’s the real problem. This story is absolute rubbish written by someone who openly advocated for the expelling of all Palestinians from Gaza. I’d take the writing with a grain of salt.

    • @singhsingh99
      @singhsingh99 2 месяца назад

      exactly!

    • @bunkertons
      @bunkertons Месяц назад

      You might night have been that way, but that is probably down to circumstances.

    • @yondabigman4668
      @yondabigman4668 10 дней назад

      Fr, there is literally anything else to think of other than this at any age

  • @gordonfurness6253
    @gordonfurness6253 3 месяца назад +1615

    The mother pleading for her son's life at the end is ironic. Her own son took a man's life; a man that had probably pleaded to be left alone and for his life.

    • @foolslayer9416
      @foolslayer9416 3 месяца назад +29

      What about the store owner's family and friends?

    • @DANTE-kg4zg
      @DANTE-kg4zg 3 месяца назад +44

      Wouldn't you plead too, had it been your son on that stand, regardless of what he did?

    • @Picassostrash
      @Picassostrash 3 месяца назад +30

      I think parents who have murderous kids just feel bad for themselves and others. They’re pleading might be weird but (some) parents do feel bad about the murders, they’re love is just not being said correctly.

    • @nothingruler14All
      @nothingruler14All 3 месяца назад +3

      Yeah I'm sure that was the point of that scene.

    • @DANTE-kg4zg
      @DANTE-kg4zg 3 месяца назад +18

      @@Picassostrash ofc they feel bad, but still, it’s normal for them to also feeling bad over ther child being put to death

  • @MERLINnecrofan
    @MERLINnecrofan 3 месяца назад +676

    "Noooo please don't kill him!!" Was probably exactly what the parents of the deceased would've said given the opportunity.

    • @arb9010
      @arb9010 3 месяца назад +2

      how does that justify killing him?

    • @mobulis
      @mobulis 3 месяца назад +35

      @@arb9010He deprived the victim of his life so quid pro quo.

    • @arb9010
      @arb9010 3 месяца назад +2

      @@mobulis that's not what quid pro quo means. do you mean an eye for an eye? Which you would still misinterpret

    • @RedtheCat2014
      @RedtheCat2014 3 месяца назад +17

      ​@@arb9010 I'm a bleeding heart-and proud of it!
      Only difference is that my heart bleeds for the innocent victim, not the killer who is only sorry he got caught.
      If this 18 year old white boy who looks like the boy next door,had killed a black man, I bet you would think differently

    • @cameronmartin3616
      @cameronmartin3616 3 месяца назад +2

      @@RedtheCat2014 might your heart bleed for the innocent mother and father of the perpetrator? Would the family of the victim really gain true comfort from another killing and the grief in another family? I don’t think the state cold bloodedly killing people is a good idea no matter the ethnicity of the victim.

  • @JustCallMeDija
    @JustCallMeDija 3 месяца назад +293

    "Forget what he looks like and remember what he did," Powerful...

    • @turtleboy991
      @turtleboy991 3 месяца назад +5

      Loved that line

    • @NH-tb2sm
      @NH-tb2sm 3 месяца назад +8

      We need that in every courtroom.

  • @tiggynv214
    @tiggynv214 3 месяца назад +637

    “At 18, nothing is certain” Wrong. Some things are certain, and one of those things is knowing for sure murder is ilegal

    • @glass4600
      @glass4600 3 месяца назад +8

      Maybe not fully understanding the ramifications of murder or even just the act of taking a life, but once you hit 10+ you should know some of the laws.
      Even if this is a show there are a lot of real world applications.

    • @SY-ok2dq
      @SY-ok2dq 3 месяца назад

      ​@@glass4600 When I was a kid I read a lot of books, and all the newspapers that my father bought. So from before the age of 10, I was reading about crime, about murders and people going to prison. I think at 10, most children can definitely understand that killing someone is a crime and that you will be punished by the courts and go to prison. What children wouldn't know are all the intricate details, like the various charges - manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter etc. VS murder, accessory to a crime (both before and after the fact), aiding and abetting a crime etc.
      Obviously by nearly 18, teens would have a general understanding of a fairly wide range of crimes and illegal activities. And they know enough to try to conceal or cover up crimes. And the teens in this case knew they were committing a serious crime - and that's why the guy on trial insisted on killing the man because if he lived he could identify them. So he understood what the consequences would be.
      That said, people at 17, 18 are still in a malleable phase of their life. And he could change and become a law abiding person in 10, 15, 20 years' time.

    • @michaelegan6037
      @michaelegan6037 3 месяца назад +10

      I started work 15 I was a man then I new right from wrong then

    • @maxsch8454
      @maxsch8454 3 месяца назад

      Every single sane person in the world knows murder is wrong wrong long before 18.

    • @jordanwardle11
      @jordanwardle11 3 месяца назад +13

      Even a 5 year old knows that hurting people is wrong. So at 18, you should be knowing that murder is wrong also

  • @PoisonedTongue
    @PoisonedTongue 3 месяца назад +421

    I’m a very different person from who I was at 18 but something that’s remained the same is I know beating someone to death for funsies is fucking wrong

    • @judaihyuga
      @judaihyuga 22 дня назад +3

      The fact that he assaulted this guy for no reason then killed him while he begged for his life is also a deeply concerning sign of the kind of adult he might become. A lot terrible people got away with hurting or murdering a lot of innocent people just trying to go about their lives because the people around them ignored the warning signs when they were young.

  • @queenesther09
    @queenesther09 3 месяца назад +284

    I feel for the mother, I really do, but I couldn't help thinking "What about the innocent man he ruthlessly murdered who pleaded for his own life?"

    • @scillavanilla5356
      @scillavanilla5356 3 месяца назад +36

      I want people to pay attention to this young man’s reaction. The mom is crying and n begging for his life and he’s just …standing there, pissed, not scared or sorry.

    • @queenesther09
      @queenesther09 3 месяца назад +17

      @@scillavanilla5356 Not to mention he seems almost annoyed by his mother.

    • @misterwhipple2870
      @misterwhipple2870 3 месяца назад +4

      His mother never loved him. The Bible says that a parent that loves their child disciplines that child. No discipline, no love. She despised her own son.

    • @foolslayer9416
      @foolslayer9416 2 месяца назад +2

      ​@@misterwhipple2870 She enabled her son into becoming a monster.

    • @wind1574
      @wind1574 Месяц назад +1

      @@misterwhipple2870 Who cares what some book says?

  • @kayfabe8111
    @kayfabe8111 3 месяца назад +239

    Far too much compassion for the perp than the victim who was killed for literally no reason

    • @NH-tb2sm
      @NH-tb2sm 3 месяца назад +1

      They literally ordered food just so they can kill a guy.

    • @NekoMMDGTS
      @NekoMMDGTS 2 месяца назад +6

      As human beings we are supposed to show everyone compassion. We're supposed to be better than these people, not stoop to their level.

    • @MMuraseofSandvich
      @MMuraseofSandvich 2 месяца назад +2

      Ensuring that the defendant's rights are protected from the abuses of the state is hardly "far too much compassion".

    • @foolslayer9416
      @foolslayer9416 2 месяца назад +2

      Our compassion isn't immune to consequence. If a human can act like a monster and beat an innocent man to death, then its a life for a life.​@@NekoMMDGTS

    • @NekoMMDGTS
      @NekoMMDGTS 2 месяца назад

      @@foolslayer9416 I just think that killing people to show that killing people is wrong is self-defeating. It's based on a need for revenge. I don't think anyone should have the power to remove people that are 'bad'.

  • @danielsherriff390
    @danielsherriff390 3 месяца назад +137

    Although Nora did not want to pursue the death penalty against the kid, Jack and Angie told her that this was not an isolated incident. The kid was a psychopath, he had previously assaulted a classmate two months before his 16th birthday and left him blind in one eye and also killed the neighbor's cat. When Jack interrogated him at the trial, he called him out on saying he never meant for this to happen and essentially forced him to admit he always intended to kill the man.

    • @colin8696908
      @colin8696908 3 месяца назад +2

      Still a pretty low bar to convinced the district attorney to go for the death penalty.

    • @EvilLoynis
      @EvilLoynis 2 месяца назад +14

      ​@@colin8696908 Honestly it's because this was literally a killing without any reason other than to get kicks or because he was bored.
      The only reason why they were hesitating is because of his age. That's it, no other reason.

  • @joshuamohlman
    @joshuamohlman 3 месяца назад +209

    One of my professors had a phrase for young killers like the kid in this episode, “if they’re old enough to commit the crime, they’re old enough to receive the punishment.”

    • @carmelopappalardo8477
      @carmelopappalardo8477 3 месяца назад +4

      If you can't do the time don't do the crime.
      Some Wise Sage probably.

    • @colindateeuwisse6848
      @colindateeuwisse6848 3 месяца назад +4

      @@carmelopappalardo8477that sounds very wrong

    • @robertlevine2827
      @robertlevine2827 3 месяца назад +8

      Thank you. His attorney called him a "boy"; before the law, an 18-year-old is a man.

    • @joshuamohlman
      @joshuamohlman 3 месяца назад +1

      @@robertlevine2827 absolutely. There’s a big difference between a “boy” and a “man”

    • @carmelopappalardo8477
      @carmelopappalardo8477 3 месяца назад

      @@colindateeuwisse6848 LOL I just realized I had it reversed.

  • @nickpage4333
    @nickpage4333 3 месяца назад +337

    Hes not a boy but a young man he knew what he was doing

    • @detmstr341
      @detmstr341 3 месяца назад +16

      I agree. He just didn't care about the hurt he has caused everyone. Especially his own mother. Now, he has to answer for it.

    • @christimanley13
      @christimanley13 3 месяца назад

      You're not a kid at 17 and then magically an adult because of a day on the calendar. Maturity is a spectrum; so is evil. But what is certain is that a civilized society cannot seek a permanent solution for a problem that time and experience might solve

    • @Aggression-hc3yp
      @Aggression-hc3yp 2 месяца назад +1

      If you kill because someone makes you kill, you’re not really a killer, just a manipulated pawn in a sick game.
      If you kill someone of your own volition, then you’re nothing more than a murderer and you’re bound for one of three fates: Jail, Hell, or a fate far worse.

  • @voodoo34667
    @voodoo34667 3 месяца назад +49

    he crushed the skull of an innocent homeless man after beating him to the point he threw up and began pleading with them to allow him to live....Death penalty was the only sentence

    • @EvilLoynis
      @EvilLoynis 6 часов назад

      Actually the one who died was a Asian delivery guy that they lured and used the homeless man's blanket to cover and beat.

  • @actaemazantor9558
    @actaemazantor9558 3 месяца назад +81

    The mom: "He'S a GoOd KiD!"
    Me: *"Boys, we have our killer."*

  • @RJSAMCRO
    @RJSAMCRO 3 месяца назад +364

    This is why the resignation of McKoy is sad, he has been the best D.A. in the L&O series.

    • @WarGrowlmon18
      @WarGrowlmon18 3 месяца назад +40

      I know, but I think I read that it was Sam Waterson who decided that it was time to go. He's the longest-running character on the show and he's OLD now!!! I mean, McCoy literally has white hair!!! McCoy left the DA's office at some point, but he came back before Barba's murder trial.

    • @ccvv1119
      @ccvv1119 3 месяца назад +5

      Also the writing sucks I can see why he left

    • @cards0486
      @cards0486 3 месяца назад +6

      Sam’s last episode when Jack McCoy argued the case in court I wanted to punch Nolan Price, sitting in the spectators, in the shoulder.
      “Hey! Watch and learn.” Compared to McCoy he is so weak.

    • @cards0486
      @cards0486 3 месяца назад +6

      @@WarGrowlmon18420 episodes. Yes, I saw his TODAY SHOW interview. He said,”When I came back I knew I’d be leaving. I just had to decide when.”
      I’m thankful I have 4 cable channels that carry LAW & ORDER in different seasons.
      I liked Michael Moriarty’s Ben Stone too. But we only have 4 seasons of him. Sam was ADA Seasons 5-17. That’s a lot of court time.

    • @sonrouge
      @sonrouge 3 месяца назад +5

      No one can do a job forever.

  • @ShilohNellis
    @ShilohNellis 3 месяца назад +266

    Law & Order is so addicting

    • @wendyhardin5259
      @wendyhardin5259 3 месяца назад +6

      It is.

    • @christopherkent8188
      @christopherkent8188 3 месяца назад +3

      They need to post more and longer videos!! I feel like we deserve that as loyal fans 😅

    • @ShilohNellis
      @ShilohNellis 3 месяца назад

      @@christopherkent8188 I agree 👍

    • @MisterHoodrich89
      @MisterHoodrich89 3 месяца назад

      addictive
      "addicting" is not a word

    • @that.ll_do_pig
      @that.ll_do_pig 3 месяца назад +2

      ​@@MisterHoodrich89language evolves. Whether some like it or not, it's in the dictionary now because it's a commonly used adjective.

  • @mikhalaa746
    @mikhalaa746 3 месяца назад +35

    The AGE is irrelevant when you commit a heinous crime. I seriously hate when they use that as an excuse.🙄

  • @OcarinaSapphr-
    @OcarinaSapphr- 3 месяца назад +42

    He wasn't a better person 2 years after his first violent crime...

  • @ultramariogod
    @ultramariogod 3 месяца назад +60

    Judge him for who he is, forget about what he looks like, and remember what he did
    Actions have consequences, if you're able to commit murder, under these circumstances, you deserve to be punished

  • @lyndalamb3221
    @lyndalamb3221 3 месяца назад +23

    After 25 years in jail, he would likely be an even worse person.

    • @foolslayer9416
      @foolslayer9416 2 месяца назад +2

      Better to not even give him the chance. Mercy for the wicked is a gamble.

  • @YinkoWuji
    @YinkoWuji 3 месяца назад +24

    Man, McCoy's scarier when he doesn't raise his voice.

    • @detmstr341
      @detmstr341 21 день назад

      He could probably prosecute Friday the 13th for his murders, and get him on death row.

  • @thatonkgau5221
    @thatonkgau5221 2 месяца назад +18

    Youth is not an excuse for crime being 18 isn't the same as being 12. He's not some naive child who doesn't no better he's a young man who's old enough to know the difference right and wrong. He knew what was he was doing he knew killing that homeless man was wrong and he did it.

    • @jayt9608
      @jayt9608 2 месяца назад

      I knew what murder was and the consequences at 12, and even before that. There is an age where that argument is an excuse, but it passes by the time a child is approximately 7.

    • @michalsoukup1021
      @michalsoukup1021 24 дня назад

      True, US system is kinda crazy, if you recall SVU had a case when they were forced into trying 7 yo kid for murder, but this case is reasonable.

  • @mikekling7144
    @mikekling7144 3 месяца назад +218

    I knew the death penalty was abolished in New York from watching this show.

    • @kabirsardana1282
      @kabirsardana1282 3 месяца назад +65

      well nowadays, you dont even get arrested for criminal activities. people are professional shop lifters and get arrested and then let go. thats New York for you. just a few days ago, a bodega clerk was assaulted by a dude and he stabbed the guy in self defence. the DA charged him with second degree murder.
      just blew my mind.

    • @LyonHall1
      @LyonHall1 3 месяца назад +12

      @@kabirsardana1282that seems to be the judicial system in alot of places.

    • @jaxcoss5790
      @jaxcoss5790 3 месяца назад +13

      ​@@kabirsardana1282It's not just NY.

    • @CookedOnions
      @CookedOnions 3 месяца назад

      @@kabirsardana1282Canadas justice system is the same way. Defend yourself? You are the criminal.

    • @saiyanscaris6530
      @saiyanscaris6530 3 месяца назад +5

      @@kabirsardana1282 welcome to the us where if you have money you can do anything

  • @andrewbrendan1579
    @andrewbrendan1579 3 месяца назад +69

    I think of the kids who dumped on mistreated me when I was that age and even older and of the total lack of regard for another human being. Did they change as they got older as the defense attorney suggested? Or did they just learn better how to conceal it?

    • @shadowscall7758
      @shadowscall7758 3 месяца назад +7

      Some do change and some just conceal it better, its both. However, 18 is definitely old enough to know that murdering someone else is wrong.

    • @ijustwantedtocommentbutnow526
      @ijustwantedtocommentbutnow526 10 дней назад

      I find that many may regret it but choose not to apologize and live like nothing happened. They will never make an effort to help the victim heal and cannot replace the time they lost. They also will never sacrifice anything they believe is "theirs" and make excuses.

  • @NH-tb2sm
    @NH-tb2sm 3 месяца назад +11

    The sad, sick thing is that this really did happen in NY.

  • @Igarappappa
    @Igarappappa 3 месяца назад +44

    I do feel bad for his mom. It's clear she loved her son and tried to raise him right but her son was still a monster. It's hard to process he's not just a murderer but he's gonna be executed. No pity for him of course.

  • @mikebasil4832
    @mikebasil4832 3 месяца назад +60

    One of the most thought-compelling Law & Order episodes of all time. 💔

  • @michaelbell8834
    @michaelbell8834 3 месяца назад +44

    He made his bed. Now he gets to lay in it.

  • @Deborahtunes
    @Deborahtunes 3 месяца назад +39

    Jack McCoy and Abby Carmichael were my favorite DA duo in the original L&O series.
    This episode is one of my favorites. An extremely sad one. I felt sorry for the Asian man's family. Having to sit through the gruesome details of his murder.
    If someone is already killing at such a young age, its almost impossible for them change later on. The more you let them get away with now, the more serious crimes they'll commit down the line...

    • @ZaakelJackson-xr5nv
      @ZaakelJackson-xr5nv 3 месяца назад +1

      Noo Claire Kincaid and Jack McCoy was the best duo or maybe Jamie Ross

    • @Deborahtunes
      @Deborahtunes 3 месяца назад

      @@ZaakelJackson-xr5nv ~ Not to me. I didn't like Jamie Ross much. Claire Kincaid was ok. But I felt they didn't use her skills enough. She seemed more like a "pretty prop", then an attorney...

    • @Deborahtunes
      @Deborahtunes 3 месяца назад

      @@ZaakelJackson-xr5nv ~ Not to me. I didn't like Jamie Ross much. Claire Kincaid was ok. But I felt they didn't use her skills enough. She seemed more like a "pretty prop", then an attorney...

  • @MiamiGameHunter
    @MiamiGameHunter 3 месяца назад +75

    His sentence would have been changed to life after NYC abolished the death penalty in 2004. And then he would have been put back in gen pop In July 2008, when Governor David Paterson issued an executive order requiring the disestablishment of death row and the closure of the state's execution chamber at Green Haven Correctional Facility.

    • @draco84oz
      @draco84oz 3 месяца назад +8

      The episode was in season 11, which was 2000-2001. But also, didn't NY's last execution happen in 1963? I think it was temporarily reinstated in 1995, but no executions actually took place during that period - although a somewhat different episode of L&O surrounds an execution in season 6 (1996).

    • @austinlarrimore6542
      @austinlarrimore6542 3 месяца назад +4

      And then prolly released for no good reason in like 2020

    • @underarmbowlingincidentof1981
      @underarmbowlingincidentof1981 3 месяца назад +3

      @@austinlarrimore6542 yeah ha!
      they always release those who they know will come back. that's how the US prison system works. Keeps the prisons fuller than in the 90s even when the crime rate is not even a third of what it was back then.
      I guess that's what happens when a nation sees prisons as an industry instead of a sad necessity. and with the huge police budget any attempts to reform the prison system would lead to them losing budget which means it will never ever happen.

    • @michaelhogg324
      @michaelhogg324 3 месяца назад

      @@draco84oz Thanks and I'm trying to remember was that execution supposed to take place on SVU which didn't go through cause Stabler attacked the inmate?

    • @draco84oz
      @draco84oz 3 месяца назад +1

      @@michaelhogg324No, it was a main series episode of L&O - s6e23. A somewhat different episode, and also the final appearance of ADA Claire Kincaid (she was killed at the end of the episode)

  • @aaric1703
    @aaric1703 3 месяца назад +5

    I am astonished at any compassion for the character Mitch Reagan. Reagan was an amoral, heinous, predator devoid of humanity.

  • @ExplorerDS6789
    @ExplorerDS6789 3 месяца назад +26

    I feel sorry for that homeless guy toward the beginning. Anyone know who plays him? I don't see him in the cast list on IMDb.

  • @NoahM.Angell-sd4ez
    @NoahM.Angell-sd4ez 3 месяца назад +10

    This video is a masterpiece. It should be in an art gallery!

  • @FortunateJuice
    @FortunateJuice 3 месяца назад +6

    I would be immediately biased as a juror as soon as I saw the bolo tie defense counsel was wearing.

  • @CausticCassie
    @CausticCassie 3 месяца назад +49

    You take a life you forfeit your own

    • @partyguy101ify
      @partyguy101ify 2 месяца назад

      Good one. Remember that when the state accuses you of a murder you didn't commit. I'm sure the jury will believe you when you say you're innocent despite the evidence.

  • @omnielectron9616
    @omnielectron9616 3 месяца назад +81

    The only person i feel deeply sorry for is the mother.
    As we say in Greece, that boy made his bed, now he can sleep on it.

    • @charlespatrickwade3340
      @charlespatrickwade3340 3 месяца назад +7

      That's not just a saying in Greece, we have it here in England to. I think every country and language has something like it. It's a shame that the world seems to be forgetting that actions have consequences.

    • @ALevine1234
      @ALevine1234 3 месяца назад +6

      Yeah, but I feel more sorry for the mother and family of the dead guy.

    • @queenesther09
      @queenesther09 3 месяца назад +2

      Agreed. He was given a second chance the first time he broke the law and he threw it away to commit a far more heinous crime.

    • @thomashninan6708
      @thomashninan6708 3 месяца назад

      He is not a boy

    • @omnielectron9616
      @omnielectron9616 3 месяца назад

      @@ALevine1234I should've mentioned also the poor guy and his grieving family!

  • @MisatoBestWoman
    @MisatoBestWoman 3 месяца назад +51

    5:12 the mom in Edward Scissorhands!

    • @HYDEinallcaps
      @HYDEinallcaps 3 месяца назад +8

      I had to remind myself that Edward Watermelonhands was a parody of Edward Scissorshands, and that your comment wasn't a reference.

    • @jaxcoss5790
      @jaxcoss5790 3 месяца назад +4

      ​@@HYDEinallcaps😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @angryoldman9140
      @angryoldman9140 3 месяца назад +1

      God I knew I knew her face somewhere! The soft spoken Avon lady !

    • @oneleafaday348
      @oneleafaday348 3 месяца назад +1

      Dianne Weist. Also the mom in Footloose and many other movies/shows

    • @ReelSchool
      @ReelSchool 2 месяца назад +1

      Academy Award winner Diane Wiest…

  • @andyh4518
    @andyh4518 3 месяца назад +73

    Isn't the alternative to the death penalty (i.e. life in prison without the possibility of parole) even worse?

    • @crazyunclecrispy6140
      @crazyunclecrispy6140 3 месяца назад +52

      their basically the same. it generally takes DECADES to execute someone on death row. many dont even get executed because they die in prison.

    • @WarGrowlmon18
      @WarGrowlmon18 3 месяца назад +18

      @@crazyunclecrispy6140At the end of the episode the DAs said that even with appeals, he would probably be executed before he turned 21.

    • @eangelful
      @eangelful 3 месяца назад +5

      That’s debatable to a lot of different people.

    • @crazyunclecrispy6140
      @crazyunclecrispy6140 3 месяца назад +8

      @@WarGrowlmon18 thats not how it works in reality except in very rare cases.

    • @Deborahtunes
      @Deborahtunes 3 месяца назад

      ​@@WarGrowlmon18~ Murderers get numerous appeals, which take years, even decades in some cases. And some are even released.
      Florida finally executed a serial killer in 2019 (Bobby Joe Long), who committed his crimes in 1984. It's ridiculous...

  • @hotohori69
    @hotohori69 3 месяца назад +4

    The irony of the defense attorney wearing a bolo tie like he's from Texas is hilarious.

  • @dermothoran1814
    @dermothoran1814 3 месяца назад +44

    Another great clip from an excellent episode. It raises huge ethical issues, about a very real debate. Can the death penalty ever be justified? Some people at 18 are adults, others are still irresponsible, unpredictable teenagers. 🤔✌️

    • @t-rexcellentreviews1663
      @t-rexcellentreviews1663 3 месяца назад +10

      Like it or not, yes, sometimes, the death penalty is a fully justified punishment, as McCoy himself once said, people are frustrated by the uncertainty of the system, they want to know that people like Charles Manson, Teddy Bundy and even this eighteen year old psychopath will never be walking the streets again and that the people who admire them for their heinous actions will at the very least be forced to think twice before they decide to follow in their footsteps.

    • @kialuvsyoo
      @kialuvsyoo 3 месяца назад +7

      He didn't do this because he's an irresponsible, unpredictable teenager. He did this because he's a murderer. Why set the legal age to 18 if we're just going to make excuses not to uphold it? He's an adult, and he made an adult decision to murder someone.

    • @OneWeirdDude
      @OneWeirdDude 3 месяца назад

      Unpredictable? You mean like, they might do it again?

    • @MsJubjubbird
      @MsJubjubbird 3 месяца назад

      @@kialuvsyoo biologically you're not an adult until your 18. Until then, reasoning and impulse control is not fully developed. It's not an excuse but it means that such a final punishment is unjustified, when there is chance of rehabilitation. The US is the country that says you can't drink until 21, but we can execute you at 18 because you haven't yet developed impulse control but has such a high violent crime rate.

  • @Fooggs
    @Fooggs 2 месяца назад +4

    The series "Law & Order" is set in New York, where no murderer has been executed since 1963.

  • @imfreeze95
    @imfreeze95 Месяц назад +2

    this mother gets to feel the same pain of losing a loved one as that family does. Justice is balance.

  • @lorddaniel2882
    @lorddaniel2882 3 месяца назад +8

    There is no justification for the killing of another human being who is not a imminent threat to others. That is revenge, not justice.

  • @trevsla7852
    @trevsla7852 3 месяца назад +33

    Homeboy looks 30 😂

    • @lucyhardman2267
      @lucyhardman2267 3 месяца назад +4

      Every time they talk about how young he is I can't take it seriously. 🤣🤣🤣

    • @thomashninan6708
      @thomashninan6708 3 месяца назад

      @@lucyhardman2267 Or a kid that too

    • @amitkenan3878
      @amitkenan3878 3 месяца назад

      They cannot take minors for full-time work

  • @aspenrebel
    @aspenrebel 3 месяца назад +18

    Also, what they don't tell you is the guy was probably locked up in jail without bail for 1 1/2 - 2 years before the trial even began. So then he was like 20 years old.

    • @bull705
      @bull705 3 месяца назад +8

      Not really. L&O actually had a faster procedure than real life prosecution.

    • @MsJubjubbird
      @MsJubjubbird 3 месяца назад

      they care about how old you are when they commit the crime.

    • @aspenrebel
      @aspenrebel 3 месяца назад

      @@MsJubjubbird I was talking in regards to the TV show episode. They make it appear as though the trial started 1 week later. That he is 17 years old sitting at the defense table during the trial.

    • @MsJubjubbird
      @MsJubjubbird 3 месяца назад

      @@aspenrebel yeah court timetables on TV are always very um swift to suit the continuity of the series. This trial would take about three years.

  • @louisefarrar6037
    @louisefarrar6037 3 месяца назад +13

    The meeting to decide if they go for death penalty is one of the most powerful scenes in whole franchise for me. Most of the discussion revolves around the sympathy for, as Jack says, ‘boy next door’ - white, middle/working class and male - rather than the actual substance of his crime, which they need to be steered towards. Shows starkly how justice in US (and UK tbf) is decided.

  • @academision
    @academision 3 месяца назад +22

    I love how all of the lawyers seem to be struggling with this obviously correct decision. 😂

    • @susivarga7303
      @susivarga7303 3 месяца назад +5

      That's why they are lawyers and not yt commenters.

    • @sarcasticguy4311
      @sarcasticguy4311 3 месяца назад

      @@susivarga7303 They're actors.

  • @MrUndersolo
    @MrUndersolo 3 месяца назад +5

    Age does not matter. We all make choices, and that kid will turn into something worse.

  • @kaze987
    @kaze987 2 месяца назад

    Fantastic episode - top notch everything

  • @HexVisualNovelPlaythroughs
    @HexVisualNovelPlaythroughs 3 месяца назад +21

    she says don''t kill him but what bout the dead guys family? should the son not pay for the life he took or rather let him get away with murder

    • @susivarga7303
      @susivarga7303 3 месяца назад +2

      Never met a mother in your life, huh?
      Where did she say he should get away with it?
      What about, what about, yawn.

    • @kumpircan
      @kumpircan 3 месяца назад

      She didnt kill the Man. Hanging her son will also punish her. He needs to live in a small cell until the end of his life

  • @kimmccabe1422
    @kimmccabe1422 2 месяца назад +2

    Every action has a reaction and every choice has consequences. This is life and, death.

  • @hazeleyees
    @hazeleyees 3 месяца назад +9

    It would have been cool to be an extra back in the day just to say Ohh My God 😂❤

  • @joechang8696
    @joechang8696 2 месяца назад +2

    from a district attorney upholding the law to now. how far new york city has fallen

  • @JohnathanHouston-uq6hy
    @JohnathanHouston-uq6hy 3 месяца назад +2

    He seriously beaten and killed innocent man because he just 18 supposedly still too young to understand his action's but being 18 makes him legally responsible his action's he orchestrator robbery and murder of delivery man his mother crying because he has been sentence to death

  • @janetovens756
    @janetovens756 3 месяца назад +3

    Lets also be honest that in the real world this would be a big watch tv trial and they would end up reducing the sentence to life without parole

    • @RedtheCat2014
      @RedtheCat2014 3 месяца назад

      No way- the kid's white. If they cut him some slack in this day and age,vthey'd end up with peaceful protests

  • @ajc-ff5cm
    @ajc-ff5cm 3 месяца назад +10

    Here's a question for those who think the death penalty isn't appropriate: what about the victim? They'll never get a chance again.

    • @MsJubjubbird
      @MsJubjubbird 3 месяца назад +1

      Killing someone else doesn't bring them back. Why ruin two lives- plus the lives of all their family members- when the damage can be mitigated. Retribution is for four-year-olds who had to share their favorite toy and warmongers.

    • @NekoMMDGTS
      @NekoMMDGTS 2 месяца назад +1

      Eye for an eye makes the world blind. It's basically revenge for it's own sake. You want to be fair to the victim, but sometimes 'fair' isn't always the right thing to do.

  • @yasminmaxmath3731
    @yasminmaxmath3731 3 месяца назад +4

    They heard someone making retching sounds and the first thought come across his mind is to finish him off and defender went to use 'hes just a kid' and talking about a better person. Kid doesnt kill ppl. Yes kid doesnt know any better but you KNOW to not beat ppl to death bcs you scared to go to jail. That lawyer disgust me.

  • @christopherdean1326
    @christopherdean1326 2 месяца назад +2

    Maybe it's different in the US from what it is in the UK, but how does the jury decide the sentence? Over here, the jury only decides guilt or innocence, the sentence is for the judge to decide.

    • @Jack_Ss
      @Jack_Ss 2 месяца назад

      The prosecutors decide which crimes they are charging him with and their sentences. The defense then defends against those charges. It then goes to the jury who decide which charges and sentences are appropriate. The jury decides and the Judge confirms it and hands down the sentence. I think if there are variables the Judge makes the decision. Say the charge is guilty of Murder 1 which is 25 to life. The Judge then decides how long his sentence is. Here’s a quick example. A man is breaking into a warehouse late at night. He scares the security guard who has a heart attack and dies. The prosecution charges him with 1 count of breaking and entering and Manslaughter. This goes to the Jury who decides that he is not guilty of manslaughter, but he is guilty of breaking and entering. Then he’s sentenced to whatever the punishment for breaking and entering is. There are very rare cases where a Judge can overturn the Jury’s decision. But that doesn’t happen much. It’s hard for that to stick when it gets appealed and scrutinized to see if the judges overturn should stay

  • @user-fs6sl2er1x
    @user-fs6sl2er1x 2 месяца назад +2

    He committed the crime so he suffers the consequences

  • @jeremyblackmouth3323
    @jeremyblackmouth3323 3 месяца назад +2

    This is one of situations where the answer is clear, what the punishment should be for the crime, but it gets muddled needlessly under personal beliefs. Only if the death was the result of an accident would make such questions about the application of the punishment have merit

  • @dillonmcintire6519
    @dillonmcintire6519 3 месяца назад +1

    You take a life, you forfeit your own. The boy's age does not ignore the fact of what he did.

  • @Teddybizz
    @Teddybizz 3 месяца назад +54

    They sentenced a 14 year old black kid to death for doing a wrestling move that accidentally killed his friend….. I wonder did they argue that decision as long as they did this one

    • @WarGrowlmon18
      @WarGrowlmon18 3 месяца назад +7

      The DA was against the death penalty, that's a big part of why she argued it so much and why she didn't run for reelection after this season.

    • @MrBmick79
      @MrBmick79 3 месяца назад +3

      he got the death penalty for that?

    • @officerweeb
      @officerweeb 3 месяца назад +3

      What case was this? Can you link a news article?

    • @mastershake7743
      @mastershake7743 3 месяца назад

      Always about race 🤡

    • @Dr_OneWing
      @Dr_OneWing 3 месяца назад +12

      My guy this isn’t a real case. These aren’t real lawyers/judges. Go outside.

  • @kabirsardana1282
    @kabirsardana1282 3 месяца назад +124

    and eye for an eye. dude killed a guy for nothing. why is the mother crying about his murderer son getting the needle.

    • @bennywark3103
      @bennywark3103 3 месяца назад +34

      Because he's her son. Every parent would cry for their kid, even if they are getting what they deserve.
      Going "What did I do wrong!!!"

    • @brookelynnwu8016
      @brookelynnwu8016 3 месяца назад

      Bc he’s a young white kid w so much potential! Literally had a white teen m-rd3r another kid in cold blood, and he was given probation in Illinois. Guess what colour the victim was? Not white.

    • @aspenrebel
      @aspenrebel 3 месяца назад +11

      Wait .... we have a statement from his mother...... "He's a good boy, a very good boy".

    • @jackb3quick
      @jackb3quick 3 месяца назад +11

      Um... you do realize the full saying is "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" right? Like the whole point of the saying is to NOT take an eye for an eye.

    • @OneWeirdDude
      @OneWeirdDude 3 месяца назад +1

      @@jackb3quickTrue, but the idea behind the death penalty is not revenge.

  • @CupidRuben
    @CupidRuben 3 месяца назад +2

    0:14 that “oh my god” took me ooout 😭

  • @NicholeDaysleeper
    @NicholeDaysleeper 3 месяца назад +2

    If this was real and based in NY, his death penalty would have been overturned into life since New York overturned the death penalty in 2004. And it may not even be life anymore.

    • @shadowtheimpure
      @shadowtheimpure 6 дней назад

      No, murder in the 1st commands life without parole as the sentence.

  • @zackq8865
    @zackq8865 3 месяца назад +2

    What I love about those crime shows is that they are much more realistic than movies where a person that is the first one to come across a dead body is automatically guilty by the eyes of movie law. Like "the fugitive" and "the negotiator" for example.

  • @kevdoom2
    @kevdoom2 23 дня назад

    I remember seeing the last few moments of this episode when I was a kid vividly. I walked into my grandmother's living room while she was doing her magazine shopping she always did, and just as I walked in, they gave him the sentence. I remember that moment was the exact second I decided I was against the death penalty and have spent a chunk of my career arguing against it. Funny what a tv show can make you realize about your intuitions.

  • @andreachilton6037
    @andreachilton6037 3 месяца назад +1

    It wasn't even in self-defense...

  • @susancampbell4062
    @susancampbell4062 3 месяца назад +2

    "Hello, Mrs. Reagan. How is your son doing?"
    "Oh, he's on death row. I'm hoping that he never makes such a silly mistake again."

  • @dostagirl9551
    @dostagirl9551 3 месяца назад +2

    I wish our own judicial system in real life was so thoughtful in applying the law. These days it’s pick and choose as to who or what you want to prosecute and too much substation of personal beliefs versus interpretation of what’s on the books.

  • @ebayrose
    @ebayrose 3 месяца назад +2

    This would ring more climatic if I didn't know that his death penalty would be years out if it ever actually happened. It's uncommon for death penalty to be enacted quickly even in serial killer cases where they gleefully admitted their guilt and show no remorse. Kid would likely turn 30 before it progressed to proper death row with a marked execution date, if appeals don't overturn it before it gets to that point.

  • @eq1373
    @eq1373 3 месяца назад +3

    The death sentence? In New York?

  • @asahel980
    @asahel980 3 месяца назад +1

    I remember this episode because its like the other episode where the victim was delivering food and the perps are just kids and the other one is curious how it feels to have killed someone. and The DA is angry at Mccoy for pursuing the death penalty and she turn off the office light while Mccoy was still in the room alone.

  • @markrobinson9394
    @markrobinson9394 3 месяца назад +11

    “Mitch, I know you weren’t the one who got Penny in trouble. When I’m wrong, I say I’m wrong.”
    Sorry, couldn’t help myself. 😂

  • @LordRumshi
    @LordRumshi 3 месяца назад +1

    The overall viewpoint of the death penalty was very evident with this case, the moment Jack mentions submitting motion for the death penalty on the defendant Nora was immediately against it. Given she was clearly against the death penalty and the fact that the defendant just turned 18, which legally made him an adult. Abby had no issue with the motion as “someone who committed an act like that doesn’t deserve to live” whilst Nora delayed her decision as the District Attorney to announce the motion for the death penalty.

  • @darkmask5933
    @darkmask5933 3 месяца назад +2

    Realistically speaking they would immediately appeal the decision, and it would be years, maybe decades, before the kid ever saw the inside of an execution chamber. I know its a story but don't think even in-story this meant the kid would be put to death immediately after the trial.

  • @prescott0913
    @prescott0913 3 месяца назад +1

    Alex Feldman, the guy that played Mitch, was an acting instructor of mine 😊. It’s always so cool running into him on my cop drama binges. This is like my third time. 😅

  • @adamprater6216
    @adamprater6216 11 дней назад +1

    To bad nyc doesn’t have good DA and prosecutors like this.

  • @user-jp2th1md7r
    @user-jp2th1md7r 3 месяца назад +2

    Just a little over 100 years ago, 'children' guilty of heinous crimes were executed at the same rate as 'adults'.

  • @maryharvey6909
    @maryharvey6909 3 месяца назад +18

    I always wonder ,the mother, her age is probably 40+. If they give murderers and violent offenders 25 years, that will put her at age 65 when her child gets out. Then I guess she or someone in the family is supposed to take these psycho killers in. It’s better for everybody if they just get the death penalty. Do you want your grand children living next-door to these people when they get out? Do you want to see your brother-in-law at Thanksgiving when he gets out from smashing someone’s head in? Do you want him to play football in the yard with your kids?

  • @spiderslayer3640
    @spiderslayer3640 3 месяца назад +2

    8:21 Wow, the mom sounds SO authentic. XD

  • @happybkwrm
    @happybkwrm 3 месяца назад +5

    Nora was ridiculous in this episode.

  • @benjigray8690
    @benjigray8690 2 месяца назад +1

    We've all met them,
    folks with a heart the size of a split pea.
    Nothing is beyond them, they don't think the same way as most folks do.
    You don't have to be clairvoyant to know that they are gunna be big trouble.

  • @itsyoboyconnor7135
    @itsyoboyconnor7135 3 месяца назад +18

    03:34 it's Dipper Pines

  • @sunnimastewin6032
    @sunnimastewin6032 6 дней назад

    What is the average time a death penalty prisoner sits in jail before the sentence is carried out? Isn't it like 10 years at least or longer.....?

  • @DesertEagle101
    @DesertEagle101 3 месяца назад +1

    What an episode

  • @detmstr341
    @detmstr341 3 месяца назад +2

    Mother- NO! PLEASE, DON'T KILL HIM!
    Me- Betsy, you son h attacked and killed a man who was working and providing for his family. A man who was probably pleading for his life too, and, your monstrous son still showed no mercy.

    • @dwjkerr
      @dwjkerr 3 месяца назад

      She probably knows that but can a mother's love for child be turned off like a room light?

    • @detmstr341
      @detmstr341 3 месяца назад

      @@dwjkerr I saw an episode of Evil Lives here where a father asked the judge to impose the death penalty for his son. Check out the episode "My Son should Die in Prison."

  • @winsomefoster
    @winsomefoster 3 месяца назад +3

    Cruel children 😢

  • @irondragonmaiden
    @irondragonmaiden 3 месяца назад +1

    Sir, being uncertain and changing your opinion about what your future job might be like as a teen is normal. Killing someone for funsies? Is not.

  • @upstating
    @upstating 3 месяца назад +1

    "No!! Don't kill Sparkle Motion!!"

  • @jonandra678
    @jonandra678 3 месяца назад +1

    An eye for an eye should always be the punishment for any crimes

  • @MADHAUSMARKALLAN
    @MADHAUSMARKALLAN 3 месяца назад +1

    being 18 30 years ago is is very different than being 18 years old today

  • @ajvanmarle
    @ajvanmarle 3 месяца назад +2

    Bunch of whiners. New York never executes anyone. The kid basically got life in jail.

  • @wanderer3004
    @wanderer3004 2 месяца назад +1

    Life in prison without the possibility of parol is fair. It's a life for a life in an environment surrounded by lifelong predators and sadists. The death penalty is state sponsored murder. And if you believe that life just ends, then you just took out however many years for the person to actually suffer for it. It's curious how many people believe that two wrongs make a right and often time sited by a 2,000 year old book or money.

  • @oneleafaday348
    @oneleafaday348 3 месяца назад +2

    The Asian lady in court played Madame Gao in Netflix's Daredevil, Iron Fist, and The Defenders

  • @AustinB96
    @AustinB96 3 месяца назад +2

    Solid death penalty case

  • @dsadik666
    @dsadik666 2 месяца назад +1

    The reason you know this is fantasy is because the NYPD arrests a suspect and then doesn't let them go like they do in real life.

  • @crystalfajman3732
    @crystalfajman3732 3 месяца назад +1

    What about the other teens who participated in the crime? Shouldn't they have gotten the same sentence?

  • @cobaltriser1540
    @cobaltriser1540 3 месяца назад +3

    i don't know about anyone else but in this case I don't feel bad for him because he's just and 18 year old boy I'm scared because he's just an 18 year old boy and he could've been given a chance to change but if he doesn't want to he won't. We only see him want to avoid the consequences and showed no remorse or emotion for the heinous killing he committed so if he's given the chance to change under those circumstances it's reasonable to believe he will only go on to commit more terrible acts and crimes

  • @alliyahtruesilver7052
    @alliyahtruesilver7052 2 месяца назад

    The fact that theres even a discussion among the prosecutors about whether or not they should be seeking the highest possible punishment is disturbing. While I dont agree with the death penalty, there should never be a discussion on how much justice someone deserves based on the demographic of the defendant.