Trump wraps up California fundraising swing with event in Newport Beach
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- Former President Donald Trump wrapped up a California fundraising swing with an event in Newport Beach on Saturday, where he was greeted by hundreds of supporters lining the streets to catch a glimpse of his motorcade. Michele Gile reports.
God bless America.
Gawd
MAGA
Agreed..... VOTE 💙‼️👍👍😎😎😎😎🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
@@georgiafrancis9059 👉CONSPIRACY👈is a repeated lie its BRAINWASHING like maga- victims are & 👮♀exSHERIFF Lee Baca who stood next2trump in 2016 did 2all black&brown in lacJAIL I was there VIP GOOGLE it👉Sheriff Lee Baca👈 is now in jail
Only thing trump is running is from JAIL
AMERICANS LEADERS DO NOT LIKE TO NEGOTIATE OR CEASEFIRE THEY LOVE WARS INSIDE OTHERS COUNTRIES NOT INSIDE THEIR OWN COUNTRY! AMERICANS LOVE WARS INSIDE PALESTINE, UKRAINE, IRAQ AND SO ON AND ON.
OF COURSE THEY DO NOT CARE ITS NOT THEIR COUNTRY BEING DESTROYED!
Imagine that…the lone Anti-Trump amongst the crowd did not get assaulted.
Now imagine if it were the other way around…
Mostly peaceful
People voting against Trump are not criminals like him. However, Trump has excited the criminal vote.
You are delusional if you think Trump supporters aren’t violent. Stop watching Fox News. Or are you still stupid enough to think that Jan 6th was antifa?
FJB 🎉🎉😂😂
You got that right!, I was thinking the exact same thing.
Turn the table everyone including the governor, they must go.
If you have never voted and are thinking about it do it without hesitation. If the people don’t win this election the delusional will destroy everything.
Spoiler alert: neither Trump nor Biden winning means that the people win.
@@SirBlackReedsSir, do you not recognize the difference between being shot in the foot and being shot in the face?
@@SirBlackReeds That's not true. Trump, project 2025, and Agenda 47 are planning on weaponizing the Federal Government against all people who don't like Trump. They're neo-fascists who hate America.
Spoiler alert Trump wins means the people wins. Please don't vote @@SirBlackReeds
@@SirBlackReedsthis year the poor lose
Bring it, CA 🎯🇺🇸
No riots ,no fighting,no hate.. just Americans lov and respect..
No education. It's obvious that is your fear.
yes UNLIKE THE DEMO RIGHTHERS IN THE PAST!
Like Jan 6 soar loosers
@@ksandhoff1 Has spelling always been a challenge for you in Florida?
@@beedalton9675 um catch up worrier..have you seen the tapes..did you get your eyes off your Xbox..? You must be blind ..? Tell me who was the only one really killed that day,? Oh and Ray ebbs the FBI informant who instigated the crowd.. or the doors open to welcome these so called intruders... your not smart my leftist friend.
Attaching a Biden advertisement to this video is truly an act of desparation.
I didn’t get that advertisement. You do realize that RUclips ads are based on an algorithm and your personal search history right? It’s not the same for everyone. Jesus do any of you Trump supporters have a f’ing brain? Stop watching Fox News. Trump is not going to win.
@markwred what was the total 94 indictment so far drumpf drumpf is going to be a busy asshole.
The good part is Jack Smith is not finished inditing criminals. Jack Smith rocks!
I haven’t seen any Trump on Biden’s. In fact I see a lot and I mean a lot of adverts for Biden with Trump not so many adverts at all.
It would be so awesome if CA flips to red for this election!
As a CA resident in SoCal I'm ready to kick Newsom and all the fluffy democratic local level politicians out as well as vote for Trump.
@@delaineyjohnson8238 I’m so sorry for the citizens of California. I can’t imagine what it must be like to live there right now. I hope everyone realizes how important it is going to be to vote against the radical leftists in November.
The Trump hater knows hes safe within the supporters. The same cannt be said about a supporter going into a haters nest. They are angry, violent and have no problem hurting others and destroying private property
Mostly peaceful
Trump was in the Bronx
Doesn’t look like they angry or violent. You must be watching a different video than everyone else is 🤦♂️
Hate to break the news to you. he a traitor and will destroy you and every Americans. He is now a convict felon and it is great he got convicted because some of the jurors was backing Trump before they became jurors. Good going jurors.
ya'll desprate for us to forget Jan 6.
Hang in there President Trump...lots if people love you and how you're fighting for us, the American people!!!!❤❤❤
See that’s a true peaceful rally. Trump 2024 👏🏾👏🏼👏🏽🇺🇸
Please MAKE CA GREAT AGAIN too.
California has the worlds 5th largest economy. It's doing perfectly fine
Yeah. Toss Trump in prison.
Good luck
4th largest economy in the world, isn't that great enough?
California looks great to those moving out of Red State Zones because of Women's health care issues laws, and hatred spread by MAGA politicians.
Its obvious who the people want for president..🇺🇲TRUMP 2024🇺🇲
Trump for California...Bring back the Golden State❤
Media never tells us there were 1 million Trump Patriots at Jan 06 2021 rally! Media talks about the 250 Govt agents ( Ray Epps ) and Pelosi Police who created and produced the fake insurrection ( only unarmed Trump supporters were murdered by Pelosi Police!
Trump needs to spend more time and resources in California and New York. He definitely can win both states.
🤣🤣MAGA and MATH dont get along~You guys just spew words (you see people chanting, and think thats a win) learn math~specifically, percentages!!
NY might be possible but not Cali
Yes, I’d like to drink what this person is having.
Seriously, the people they interviewed today came from other states.
@@User12347ejdj other cities, not state
@@CodyCha , they clearly mentioned other states and some of them might also live in other cities.
All California FilAmericans for TRUMP47 !! LGB2024 !!
Looks like Californians love and will vote Trump🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸❤️
Hey, I'm glad to meet sure a remarkable, gorgeous personality like you here.
Sorry I didn't Mean to say it that loud, Um... Thompson here. You've got a wonderful profile with the best and inspiring posts on your time line. I started and I'm sorry my comments section, I hope you don't mind. Me sharing in your inspiring publicity and getting to know about you here. But sending a friend request without you permission will be so rude.
Only if the coward Christians go out and vote,79% didn't to recall Newsom. Trump is not a saint,but,will you support the anti-christ when he comes on the scene?
Wondering Gaven know where’s our 60+ billion dollars in surplus goes after he became Governor!? HMMM???
Gaven a true felon!
I’ll put a comment but no likes on this media. They are not showing it as much as they should.
NOPE...IT WAS A WONDER THEY SHOWED ANYTHING!!
Mr. President we have your back! Welcome to Orange County!
Orange face, orange prison suit😂😂😂 guy wears more make up than George santos in drag😂
Hey, I'm glad to meet sure a remarkable, gorgeous personality like you here.
Sorry I didn't Mean to say it that loud, Um... Thompson here. You've got a wonderful profile with the best and inspiring posts on your time line. I started and I'm sorry my comments section, I hope you don't mind. Me sharing in your inspiring publicity and getting to know about you here. But sending a friend request without you permission will be so rude.
This guy isn’t just campaigning in the bluest states, he’s FUNDRAISING in those states. He is literally rubbing it in the Dems’ faces. Typically, candidates fundraise in friendly territory, on the assumption that more local supporters will donate. This guy has the audacity to hit the Bronx, New Jersey, and now CA, for support.
Gotta love the gall of this guy!
Biden has campaign and fund raised in red states! This isn’t something new! Politicians have done this forever!
Yes, give him all of your money!
And this week he is going to my hometown... Detroit!
TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!🎉
For prison
Let’s go Trump! Come on fellow Californians vote Trump back in office.
Never
Nobody cares about the convictions, its truly not a talking point. You are embarrassing your station.
Literally wrong. Independents will decide this election because Dump's culture war platform is not less govt.
False. More than half of America cares about the convictions. Trump is not going to win. Stop watching Fox News. They are lying to you.
You are embarrassing yourself assuming that nobody cares about the convictions. Tens of millions of people care about the convictions. Why do you support a criminal? And a rapist? Do you not have any morals?
Why did you describe Biden?@@Priyanka.Aarya77
@@connor502 What crime did Biden commit?
Trump 2024❤
Happy he visit California!!!😊
Now Mr. President you need to get to Chicago sir, victory is waiting for you. GO GET IT!!!
❤🎉🇺🇸TRUMP WE LOVE 💗 YOU
CALIFORNIA FOR TRUMP 💖🇺🇸
How many innocent people sitting in prison on corruption by judges.
Too many.
None. Trump will be there soon though, sweetie. Guilty of all 34 counts. When you get time I’d appreciate your charge by charge arguments why they weren’t actual crimes. I’ll wait…
@@sean9545 red wave is coming
Ok Dump fool
My thoughts exactly!
interesting. no masks, no hidden faces. go figure.
@@omi_godAwe..not very smart r u..just a follow huh
We're not afraid to show our faces 😂were born and raised Americans were proud
@@omi_godexactly 💯
And no pro Hamas flags either. Shocker!
@omi_god
Goto left, forget pick-up feet?
From Oceanside CA. County San Diego.🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🙏🙏❤️❤️🌹🌹Trump President 2024. #47.
From Murrieta CA Trump 2024 ❤❤
Brainwashed puppets🙎!
LATINOS FOR TRUMP ❤
Nope. Only the poorly educated
@@Stw077the Democrats love the gullible and poorly educated😊
@@Stw077Well said😊👏👍👍.
@@Stw077liberals have ZERO common sense.
Trump 2024!
CALIFORNIA LOVE 2 PRESIDENT TRUMP!!! We Love You!!! TRUMP 2024 ❤🤍💙🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Get Grusome and George Gascon out as well , save this state !
And Rob Bonta and his mongered lies.
Yes! Get them TF out of office.
NO he is NOT a convicted felon. The law is that until the judge renders it a conviction is is just a verdict for now.
Mo ron. You have met all the qualifications Trump requires of his uneducated base.
Just wait...
@@dinaf1409 YOU, just wait😂
You're not a convicted felon when the felonies are made up
Still convicted- awaiting sentencing- can’t wait to see if justice prevails. Hopefully the judge doesn’t cave in to trumps threats.
SoCal - Trump 2024
Yes, it's very bd with Biden and Newson
@@marianadarlington448 I isn't it spelled NEWSCUM
💯Make California the Golden State AGAIN 💯
See at a Trump rally everyone is welcome.
I’m betting that they didn’t leave a mess either. Unlike the pro Palestinian protests.
Donald trump is the best president for the USA 🇺🇸 and the world
Americans please vote in favour of Donald trump
USA 🇺🇸 first 🥇🏆🥇🥇🥇🥇
Why should Americans vote for Trump, if Trump won’t accept the election results unless he wins?
lol nope. He’s a rapist and now a convicted criminal. Shame on you for supporting him.
Trump 2024 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
Make America Great Again
OJ Simpson was found not guilty, and Trump was found guilty of 30+ felonies. It's a legal system and not a justice system.
Polls show that the public has lost respect for the justice system, which is imperfect and suffers from sexism, racism and partisan politics. James D Zirin, The Hill. It's a pretty good article and maybe will help you have confusion. Thanks for your time. Mr Zirin has a Wikipedia page you may also find helpful. He is also a former New York prosecutor and quite wealthy for context.
Trump's court case was 100% political, they want that man, OUT of the 2024 election.
O J was acquitted because of a hung jury in the criminal trial but not the civil trial. Get you facts Straight! An acquittal is not the same as being found innocent.
@@jeffreybell4801
Simply put, not guilty means that a defendant is not legally accountable for the criminal charge filed against them. An acquittal is a finding by a judge or jury that a defendant is not guilty of the charged crime.
An acquittal does not necessarily mean the defendant is innocent in a criminal case. Instead, it means that the prosecutor failed to prove that the defendant was guilty “beyond a reasonable doubt.”
@@jeffreybell4801
I never said he was found innocent. Please review mine and your comment.
@@bradhuffjr777 you said he was found not guilty but he was acquitted. The charges wasn’t dismissed, he was not innocent of the charges beyond a reasonable doubt. I know the words are interchangeable but the fact is he was acquitted by the jury and not found “not guilty” by the jury because of a hung jury. I can’t remember but I think there was two jurors that voted against the others on guilty charges. I mean you are correct in your comparison just I was trying to point out he was acquitted and wasn’t found not guilty. The real justice on trump if he gets prison time. I understand what you are saying the difference between legal and justice systems.
Trump 2024😀🎈👍👏
Go Trump ❤
To prison
@@firstlast8258 Back to the White house cleaning toilets, washing dishes, polishing Biden's Limo!
I'm gay, support Trump, and will never vote for a Dumbocrat again.
Why'd you say gay? Who asked you?
Why does your Hedonism define you? How shallow.
@@anthonythomas1504 To make it known that not all gays are leftist Dumbocrats and the gender bait tactics of the party don't always work.
So you’re a Trumtard?
@@KaiserBlade Where did I imply hedonism?
Trump all the way!!!!👍
To prison
@@firstlast8258 With Hunter I’m Game😂😂😂😂
All the way back to the White House cleaning toilets!
Trump 2024! God bless Trump!
I defended Democracy in my country by arresting all political opposition.
That’s called Tyranny 😂😅
@@josepalacio291 Democracy or Tyranny, they have the same meaning in Washington D.C. or New York City.
......but enough about Joe Biden. Let's talk about Trump instead.
WE ❤️LOVE ❤️TRUMP 🥰👍🇺🇸2024🇺🇸. ✝️GOD BLESS TRUMP 🥰🙏AMEN🙏🇺🇸🙏🇺🇸🙏🇺🇸🙏🇺🇸🙏🇺🇸🙏🇺🇸🙏
TRUMP!! 2024 ❤🤍💙
For prison. He can’t even vote for himself like a true felon 🤣
We love and support our greatest President Trump.We support HIM all the way .❤️🙏❤️
🚂🚂🚂TRUMP 2024❤❤❤❤
81 million votes???????????????
Most ever for a United States president. 🇺🇸
@@EMendonca-mp2mf Do we know how many were fake votes.
Don't worry
Donald trump will be the best president for the USA 🇺🇸 again
VOTE DONALD TRUMP 2024 TO SAVE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA !
God bless TRUMP!
Trump IS Satan
💙💙💙💙💙💙💙
I'm so excited for voting for the first convicted felon President.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
ME TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
Agree Trump one of us now a common person
@jojohns1949 That's right. We're not Trump Trump is us
Keep drinking that Kool aid,more air for me to breathe 🤣
California FOR TRUMP 🇺🇸❤️💐
Black, Brown and White united for President TRUMP 2024
Thanks for the laugh, William. R U a bot?
Not a bot, not a leftist LIAR, JUST A REAL CHICAGOAN
@@williamacevedo1002
💯. California Red vote here!🙂🤚
❤Americans for Trump ❤
@@GeeBee909 not
If only all California was like this it would be an Eden in this state.
NY and California turns red. News at 11.
To dream thee impossible dream....
@@GeeBee909 NY has a good chance than cali
Putin~that will never happen~.....why didnt he go to Compton, East LA>>>tRUMP is a coward~and you are buying into it~~donate to his legal fund
@@ACium. Not~~
🚂🚂🚂🦅❤️🤍💙✌️💕💯 TRUMP..NO COMMUNISM!!...NOT LETTING CHINA TAKE OVER..OR ANY OTHER OUTSIDERS.!!
Ironic how Mexicans love Trump
Mexicans don't
Vote for the guy who would deport them LOL
I just laugh
Ironic? Not a bit. They are Americans.
He likes uneducated as he said.
MAGA 2024🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Wow who would of thought not every trump supporter is white
Nobody.
ANYONE WITH A BRAIN
Any Whites still voting Dem are voting against their own interests.
Yeah ❤Trump 2024 for ever!!!!👏🏾🇺🇸
Trump's asking for $5.00 donations, OBiden asking for diapers donated
😂lol surr Granpa Joe needs
his diaper
Your cult leader also wears diapers!
😂
Oops I crapped my pants dementia Joe
@@geebert23
Why are MAGA rallies full of Trump supporters wearing shirts that say "Real men wear diapers?" And many of them have large diapers over their pants that say MAGA or have Trumps face on them.
So some of you own the Trump diapers and the rest of you project. Which is it?
Turning California red baby, it’s a beautiful day,PRESIDENT TRUMP 2024 and 2028🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Yes. Forget PA, MI and WI. Put all your money on CA.
Calabasas and Newport Beach? Hahaha
Stay in California and fight for your rights. Like we do here in south-central Texas. Unfortunately, you have the wrong governor. Stay strong because only true Patriots are victorious.
He can only run for a second term doofus.
Hope so!
Ask that man,what was the crime. See who is brainwashed.
Welcome to California President Trump, AKA little Haiti 🇭🇹
Attempting to rigg an election. Election interference.
@@chuckxu5910🤮🤮🤮
@@Stw077 Californian🤑🤑🤑for President Trump
Tell me charge by charge why each is not a crime. Should be simple for you simple folks.
TRUMP 2024. I have been awake for a long time. WAKE UP!!!
LETS MAKE AMERICA GREAT AND AFFORDABLE AGAIN❤❤❤❤❤❤
THE US is great already.
You won't get that by voting for Trump.
@@michaelhumphrey8763 Exactly!
@@omi_god It's a cult.
@@michaelhumphrey8763
We had it under Trump.
Were you not paying your own bills at the time?
KCAL....fix your headline...that's a HELL of a lot more people than "hundreds". That's thousands and thousands....quit lying.
Good call! 🤙
@@omi_god I saw one guy wearing a build back better hat.
You are delusional. Get your eyes examined. Just because he waved to nonexistent fans doesn't mean you should buy into it.
Looks like hundreds. Trump Can't afford to pay for the crowds he used to. Being a broke billionaire is a tough gig.
@omi_god the venue was a private fundraising event, the building they were in wouldn't hold even a hundred people, it wasn't a rally, it was a donor dinner 😅, the police wouldn't let people on the island, the people along the rode were waiting for hour's just to watch him drive by, do you think anyone would line up to watch Jim Crow Joe's motorcade drive by, the people out there knew they wouldn't be able to hear or see him and they still came out, again just to watch his motorcade drive by, Biden can't even sell out a small rally😅😂
I am not a Trump supporter but I am from California and this makes me laugh just to imagine how Newsom must have been raging
You are definitely a GOP supporter though. Why do you guys support medical surveillance and child marriage?
Democrat voter fraud State. Newsom is very very bad for California. Im from Nebraska and people that come here saying Newsom is very bad but a very beautiful State.
You're either Trump or Biden. So keep laughing.
Newsome doesn't rage, that's a Trump thing.
@@SFJ-my8vz7vx2hyou know that ain’t true. Don’t be hating
❤❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 Hispanics for Trump
Rapists and drug dealers for Trump?
Law abiding citizens that still have a brain and stopped drinking the dem left wing Kool aid ...now STAND with TRUMP 👊🏾🤛🏾🫵🏾🤜🏾🤌🏾
🥲🥲
Thank You and God bless all TRUMP supporters ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Support a convicted felon???
No way... convicted felons can't join the Military so voting for one as their Commander in Chief is nothing but an insult to our service men & women...! ! !
Always president Trump🇺🇸🇺🇸🙏🏼🙏🏼
He should spend more time here! ❤❤❤
.
Meanwhile... Biden is struggling to get noticed at almost empty bingo parlours.
And yet he will beat your Trump…again
@@jjgreek1I doubt it.. he’s feeble and weak and needs a diaper change. And the American people need a change too. It’s all coming out now and Dems will be shakin in their boots!
@@jjgreek1by cheating bigly 🤡🤡🤡
@@lynnle54 but there’s no cheating when you win, right?
The more the media mentions " convicted on 34 counts " the more popular Trump gets 😂
EXACTAMENTE. Arriva Trump ❤
God bless our President Donald Trump we all love you mr President
California for Trump 💯🇺🇸
I love President Trump! ❤❤❤
I miss Trump gasoline prices 1.79 per gallon gasoline prices, energy independence, lowering gasoline and food prices
You miss a fairy tale, I'm afraid to explain. You won't listen anyway.
The Texas power grid fails daily because it's independent. Duh!
1.49 here, to 5.49 in 6 months of Obiden, topping out at 7.69. Currently 6.29 all same station
@@GT-mn3bx It's your state and the station. Good luck.
Do you mean Obama prices?
He rode in on a gravey train.
Let's see a Biden 🤡 rally 😅😂🤣
DC January 20, 2025. Joe's second inaugural.
@@leeroth1395 🤣😂😅🤡
@@leeroth1395 Can we afford the razor wire fences and 30 thousand troops with assault weapons surrounding the Capitol to keep AMERICANS out of the inauguration of the coup like Last time?
@@leeroth1395people from the nursing home doesn’t count
@@brandofoster6195You're going to see it
FJB
YEAH REAL AMERICANS AGREE ... FDJT AND ALL TRUMPERS TOO !!!
We don't agree FJB IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. @@michaelhorath6851
FJB FJB FJB FJB
FJB 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
@@erikamonterroso7743 YEAH LS GO " STORMY ... LET`S GO " !!! DO IT AGAIN .... FDJT !!!
Latinos for president Trump!!
🇺🇸✊🏽🇺🇸✊🏽🇺🇸✊🏽
Go Trump!!
To prison
@@firstlast8258🙏
❤🇺🇸 President Trump ❤️🇺🇸 2024
Felon47 TRUMP 2024!👍☝
And the crime is??
@@christines8529Don’t care… still voting for him.🇺🇸America First.
@@christines8529business fraud.
@@christines8529 none
@@jenntip Me too! Bet you can't get anyone to name the crime. It's just laughable.
Hispanic and regular folk? WTF?
Exactly
Cant wait for Trump ❤🇺🇲 MAGA 2024
The only greeting Joe Biden gets is a bunch of FJB signs and middle fingers😂
Dems don’t Believe that the ( Hype show ... and the same 10 big Trucks ) silly Rallies etc. don’t translate into Votes. its just all hype smoke and Mirrors ..Like the wizard of Oz. thats why Donald Dump ~ Didn’t win last time.... and you see ( less & less People ) at those Silly “Rallies "
@AshliBabbitt-ex2jz speak for yourself 🤓 🖕
That’s not a Greeting ( it’s all Hype, and propaganda)
Hence all those Hollywood flags - Greeters don’t show up with all those props
“No one ever went broke under-estimating the intelligence of the American people.”
E.J. Mencken was right (please see above)
Actually, people are going broke by underestimating the American people.
Unlimited debt capacity??
People are going broke voting democrat.
What specifically about them makes you think they are lacking intelligence?
@@christines8529 Sadly, the propaganda tactics Edward Bernays developed, along with the Right’s use of machiavelli‘s “divide & conquer,” are doing a good job of shaping the folks who believe in orange Jesus.
I think the Dems need a stronger communicator.
It’s no disrespect to Joe.
Yes Trump salvadorian with you.
the ruling is going to be thrown out
In a dream you had
Asians for Trump!!
Rikers Island for trump!!
Demonic-rats for diaper Joe in 2024.
Same Asians for Kim Jong Un.
P BIDEN do not get that support at all,,,SO CALIFORNIA CONTINUE VOTING BLUE,,,SO WHAT DO YOUR GUY get ?????
Go CALIFORNIA! Yea! You know the truth like the rest of us. Welcome to MAGA country!!!!!
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SAVE California!!! SAVE the USA!!!!! TRUMP /GABBARD 2024 ---Vivek Ramaswamy for CHIEF of Staff TRUMP /GABBARD 2024
🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 Trump
Trump 2024 🇺🇸🚂🇺🇸
YEAH 2024 FOR PRISON WE AGREE !!!
TRUMP 2024...
Why is a billionaire raising funds?
Why is Biden wearing diapers? Cant stop whats coming.
Because campaign funding? No matter how rich the politician is, they want to gain funding for their campaign so they don’t need to reach into their own pockets.
because rich people keep their money in investments not a shoe box lol
@@lowboyyy Or can you say 'legal fees'?
@MrPeterbs what's the alternative?