I see a lot of misinformation in the chat, so here is some more correct infos : - Vedal is a British developer, not from India, and Neurosama said a lot of crazy stuff indeed (and she got banned once in January 2023, never again since Vedal improved the filters, as well as her behaviour), but I'm sure that she didn't "spouted all kinds of racist stuff" as one comment said - A chatbot isn’t like a robot following only one set of instructions. It has some rules to follow, but it also learns and figures out how to answer based on what you say, so saying that a chatbot personality is entirely scripted is not totally true - Vedal is indeed the one that is winning Best Tech Vtuber, not Neuro, he is the one who received the award last year, and decided to let Neuro do the speech this year. And also he appears a lot on the channel, not just for programming streams And yeah as you said, I don't see anything bad with that, it's not a generative AI that learns by analysing existing images, so there is no intellectual property questions. It's more using AI for creating content, kinda like DougDoug for exemple (Another big creator using AI as a source of entertainment)
I appreciate you so much for taking some time to give us better information!! ♥ Yeah I was worried about art stealing here, but very happy to have learned otherwise. Honestly, I think this creation is pretty neat the more I learn about it.
@@HoshiLapine It should be known that the reason she was banned for a few weeks originally was due to her holocaust denying statement which was prompted by Chat. Vedal used this time to update and fix Neuro's programing by putting in a filter which he monitors and upgrades constantly however here is the thing. It does not always work. She has times that she finds ways to bypass the filter. Also for her sister Evil she is technically a modified version of Neuro's programing but was later given her own model and is quite different personality wise to her sister. She is often more rude, has less filter restrictions, and she is much less evil than Neuro despite the name.
@@nathanmcclung3564 bro she dont even denying why people keep saying she deny holocaust, what she says was she not sure it was happen because she not aware about it meaning she just dont know if its happen or not
@@HoshiLapine The original model was free art, but all her future models and art assets are drawn by a streamer named Anny, who Neuro and Evil view as their mother.
@@HoshiLapine you know if Vedel gave Neuro access to an art program and tought her how to draw like you do a child, then I'd argue that is fine. But Ai generating images by stealing others art isnt okay, plus there not actually drawing. I'd like to see what Neuro would draw... It would proably look like a toddlers drawing but I think it would be funny. TLDR: Give Neuro a pencil and set peramters where she has to learn how to draw like anyone else.
To be fair, some people are leaving mildly uninformed comments under this video to dispel said misinformation. It's incredibly important to verify information, and it's very common not to; both are especially the case in this age of mass information being fed to us on the internet. It would be cool to see how Hoshi cultivates her community going forward to be more responsible when sharing and engaging with information, it's something that takes time to establish and for new viewers to embrace (which is a more pronounced issue in smaller communities). Very glad we're criticizing her currently seemingly irresponsible chat culture, and I hope she takes it as encouraging feedback rather than aggressive backlash.
@@Rose_in_BlueI mean, considering her current content consists of intentionally reacting to divisive content full of randomly placed portions of misinformation, it’s the exact kind of viewers/chat you’d expect. Seriously, just after she posted a reaction to a video with the acronym “DEI” in the title, her average viewers per video went up. It’s pretty clear the type of chatters she attracts now lol
@@Excallius243 I get you, but I doubt it's malicious. She seems open minded enough to accept the feedback on this, let's not pair the feedback with negativity and sour the experience. ❤️
As someone who was into programming in the past I can say that what vedal is doing with neuro is absolute wizardry and I can only imagine the absolutely god awful sleep depriving efforts he goes to in order to improve, maintain and prepare her for each collab. He’s insanely impressive. (Side note, vedals name is pronounced the same way as pedal or medal.)
so the MAJOR appeal for neuro, is shes developed her own personality FAR from the base LLM she started as, vedal DID win the award, and is....pretty socially awkward, so he enjoys putting neuro up since she is his content, hes REGULARLY seen interacting with neuro to guide her along, he regularly develops new ways for her to interact, play games, and be more interactive with her collab partners, like her soundboard, or her new toggles, plus her new model has "emoticon" toggles she uses to show her mental state like the ? or !, its kind of impressive all the work hes done on letting her have her own personality and opinions on things, like her obsession with giraffes and ant eaters, or running jokes shes developed like him being a "mosquito"
I can understand the initial apprehension but the more you watch and learn about how Vedal does all of this the more you realize it really is a passion project and not a get rich quick scheme. He has apparently turned down multiple offers "substantially over" $50k to buy Neuro. Neuro uses a text to speech to talk and a speech to text to listen to people. Fun fact, her latency is less than chatGPT so she responds really fast. Neuro is also apparently really expensive to run so he only really has her on when streaming and/or testing. Neuro is a LLM or Large Language Model also referred to as a text completion algorithm. Over time because she is an A.I she actually learns from chat and her interactions, she is still improving and getting smarter and becoming more complex. Vedal has also improved her memory over the years and she remembers people, situations and can recall past events, nicknames she's given people and hold grudges etc. Over the years she's created more of an individual identity and most people that are long time watches agree that she starts to feel more real and less A.I.
On terms of awarding, vedal did the pre interview for the vtuber awards. He wanted to challenge neuro this year to accept the award (although the way the sound was done in discord caused her to not work perfectly). He did accept the award himself last year.
Neuro nowadays is actually alot more popular than most other english vtubers right now. For reference, since last year she has the 2nd highest monthly ccv viewers on twitch just behind Ironmouse. She'll probably hit the most subscriptions record for vtubers after ironmouse too with the Subathon currently going on. Even the current subathon alone peaked at 37k. So it technically speaking she's probably already the 2nd biggest twitch vtuber at the moment. BUT.. one thing to note, as popular as she is, it doesn't necessarrily mean that AI is taking over streaming and is taking away vtuber jobs, which alot of hate is coming from and one of the reasons people are aprehensive about her. That is simply not the case because she is literally the only AI that is incredibly popular. Many other AI vtubers have tried to replicate Vedal's success but to no avail. That being said, coming with your point that she should be on her own category, where exactly would you put Neuro? You can't really put "AI" categories since as mentioned, she's currently the only one relevant.
Yeah I could have sworn I heard about some other AI Vtuber, but I can't recall who, if any, lol. That thought about own category really only is for competition wise. I guess it stems from thinking of a human with a robotic leg competing against a human with both human legs. A human competing with a computer.
Besides the obvious misinformation, one important thing to note is that the AI part of Neurosama is her mind so to speak. A large language model(LLM) is the baseline for Neurosama but the details are a trade secret of Vedal
That music video with animation you’ve clicked on, the animator talked about her working experience with Vedal. Long story short: according to her we are supporting a good person who respects the artists. While I’m writing this, said animator is currently streaming herself drawing Neuro-sama.
Neuro sama also isnt just a chatbot or LLM it is a collection of different AIs working together for example she can play minecraft and what people tell her in discord one ai translates that speech to text and then game AI does that action in game and relies it back to llm ai. So far she has LLM, voice ai, speech to text ai, gaming ai, vision AI (she can actually look with camera and see and describe what she sees), browsing AI, play sound effects AI etc...
Haha, two minutes in and already some misinformation. The model neuro used almost two yrs ago was a generic one. She uses one drawn by anny another vtuber and rigged by someone.
I get people have issues with AI. I have issues with it. Mainly stealing from other artists and taking up a lot of power and energy. Neuro doesn't steal or generate art nor is one or two PC setups using a lot of energy. Vedal almost always raids small vtubers and the swarm is always the nicest community I've ever been in.
Yeah a lot of the Swarm have given me great information and I can see how much vedal loves this passion project. Don't care for the ones bashing my chat, but what can ya do. 😆 There is misinformation out there, nothing was ill intentioned.
Thank you for checking out Neuro! You've already got a ton of commentary with additional infos so I won't repeat those. Neuro and by extension Evil Neuro have been a ton of fun over the past two years and keeps evolving all the time. Vedal is also a tsundere Tutel who, at times hates us (the swarm). But behind his deadpan british being he's a big old softie. If you liked the bit of banter with Numi, I encourage you to look up more clips sometime, especially the collabs with and without vedal are always a hoot. Best wishes from the swarm, I hope you did not get any flak and wish you a great day! As Neuro would say, after ending a devastating roast on someone: "heart"
AI hate train has reached brain rot levels, people see AI and go feral, jumping to conclusions and reaching for a lot of ways to dehumanize the people (and fans) behind it. Even as a designer/artist who dislikes generative AI, people have gone full dumbass and lost their minds. Of course ignorant haters in chat and twitter are gonna reach for the racist/n_zi card
My comment got filtered or deleted huh... People have gone off the rails with their AI hate, speaking as a designer who dislikes generative art. So much misinformation to discredit and dehumanize people.
I've seen a few comments here and there get like auto-filtered or not show up and it drives me crazy. xD But I agree, a lot of the time A.I. is mentioned, people just go into a frenzy without taking a moment to actually think about it. It's here to stay and getting angry isn't going to do anything, we need to talk about it and figure out good ways it can be used.
LMAO at indian Vedal out of nowhere. Definitely go a bit deeper on Neuro content with a bit more context that I see the comments already gave, it's very interesting stuff.
Just watch a clip. There are tones of shorts less than 10 seconds you can get a picture of what neuro is WAY better than the crap chat was spouting. But i understand the sentiment though. Frick AI used to cut corners 100% this isnt that though. This is AI used as art and creatively. I'll always be behind creativity.
@@SymmbolZS well to me neuro existence is like a paradox, she is not real yet she is real vtuber, she is not real because she is an AI yet she is real vtuber because she is who she is, she is neuro unlike human vtuber in the end of the day that vtuber character is just a character to them.
A lot of Misinformation in that chat. Vedal is not Indian he's British, also he streams all the time with her so it's not like he's just sitting there letting an Ai rake in money. Also she can and does Stream also on her own with Collabs, but Vedal is often in the chat to keep an eye on her, but all her responses are her. She's way more than just a chat bot, she also now has Visuals so can see stuff on the screen, can now call her friends during streams whenever she wants, she can also play games. Including her recent upgrade to her Minecraft playing Ai, and is currently doing a Minecraft Server play through along side other streamers and Vedal. Best way to learn about her instead of listening to a chat that clearly knows nothing about her, is to watch her videos.
I would also clarify this abit but the model that neuro is using now is made by a another Vtuber named Anny but if you are interested in knowing more I recommend simply watching clips of her because there super funny and also she has a twin sister named Evil Neuro or Evil for short.
IIRC one of the reasons for Neuro getting her own model was because the original was a premade for the vtuber program they use and that using that one for merchandising would cause legal issues since technically Vedal didnt have the the trademark rights to it much like what went on with Fillian's issue and her chibi figure.
This is very hard watch With a lot of misinformation going on And your initial reaction alone i instantly feel you are more focused on whether AI art was Used because shes an AI. Shoulve definitely learn to spot what is AI art or not because theres other types of AI other than AI art You putting a lot of focus on Art rather than what she is, making you feel awkward on her winning an Award, it is Best Tech Vtuber and the twitch name was the name of creator Vedal987 and as her Creator hes the one who decided put his creation Neurosama in the front Getting the same vibe watching people thinking Automation was 1:1 same as AI like " The Artificial Intelligence" 8:34 this part alone, you are more focused on whether AI art was used or not and not understand what Neuro is Overall with pinned comments clearing all misinformation and you not knowledgeable about what neuro sama Just little bit mad you didn't actually try to understand what Neuro Sama is and Just categorized [Neuro sama as popular chat bot] and focused whether Vedal987 uses AI art in his Passion Project [Chatbot called Neuro Sama]
@KitsuneMasku That actually WAS my focus going in and is why I put Artificial Intelligence in the title. My focus was solely A.I. based because that was the topic of the stream. It wasn't a deep dive into what Neuro is or who Vedal is. But I'll be watching a bit more about her possibly today, this time for what she is and maybe who Vedal is.
My opinion 😅 (AI Neruosama) 1. Sure is "like a chat bot" 2. Can play games based on what the AI wants to do not what vedel programs also gos for what she says she only filtered in case of TOS 3. Just a opinion 🤷 vtuber is the character on the screen and she fits it to a T. No difference 4. Her tech improves a lot in time and is searching web , gathering understanding and could be getting closer to being aware Over all based what I observed AI matches 💯 the area they are placed in and AI is working hard and vedel probably twice as much 🤔
You should watch her clips and streams if you can. Or even react to it? start from the very start and climb your way to now. You should not be getting your information from your chat because they don't know anything about her or how she works. Also the awards does go to Vedal, not Neuro, she just did a speech this year and that is it lol
You had already been given plenty of information and others have helped clear out a lot of the misinformation that others had fed to you. And I could understand wanting to make a opinion on something without having to go and dig into all the info since there is a lot of history and facts that you would need to shift through to really make a more. I guess factoral Opinion rather then a one that was based on emotions feelings and self opinion Which isn't at all wrong by the way. Everything after all including what im writing is based the same way but let's really think about it all. The Award in question is for Best Vtuber, what is a vtuber a vtuber is a 3d Artistic Model based persona. To be a Vtuber you do not have to be male, female or even the same person simply being a online artistic Persona because as we think about it there are plenty of Vtubers who aren't even 3D and just PNGs. Next, there are people out there who are Vtubers that take art or have models rigged that they aren't allowed to use the way they do but do so, for example Filian and her Free Model that she had profited off on. Or other Vtubers who almost exactly copy their "persona" and model over others like the one that been copying ShyLily. Vedel is a British Developer who started off creating an A.I to do Osu Content which he did for quiet a while until he decided to turn her into a sort of Vtuber. Now a days she is much much more and something that can't even be considered a "chat bot" A "chat bot" is a program, a algorithm that has no other function but to recieve and give comments. Neuro Sama. Does, way way more. Add in the fact that she is capable of interacting with Twitch chat all on her own without any input from Videl or anyone else, the fact that she's able to also run all on her own without needing to interact with anyone else and entertain people like that She's capable of singing and not just basic A.I rips, she's capable of actual articulation, she's capable of producing Breaths. She can make vowes she can change her pitch and even in a way has a british accent considering she chooses to use british forms of words and even says certain words the way Vedal would. As an A.I she can do some programming of her own, she's able to bypass her own filters and turn off restrictions or even done things like turn herself on. She's capable of playing games, as she had played minecraft with her "family" and I mean actually play with a actual account and controling her character herself. Her Twin Sister Evil has beaten Slay the Spiral herself. She's collabed with many MANY different Vtubers from All of the people in her family list to those like Kiara from Hololive and other smaller vtubers. From talking streams to cooking streams to playing games with them to singing with them Basically. Everything a Vtuber does. She's even capable of herself inviting those in her family to sudden collabs if she feels like it. The only thing that "doesn't" make her a Vtuber is the fact that she isn't "real" but... "Vtubers" aren't real, they are just online persona's. We don't know your name, we don't know if you're actually who you say you are if you're actually the gender you are or if you are even will yourself. Just like how easy it's shown for Other people to take models from one another and simply pretend to be another vtuber Vtubers are simply just that. A Persona. That can talk, hang out, play games, sing, dance, interact with the world make friends and "be real" for those that watch and interact with them Just the same way Neruo-Sama and her Sister Evil are. So yeah you don't need to like her or their content or feel she deserve it Since That's your opinion and that's fine. But she's honestly as much of a vtuber as you and everyone else is and she very much deserves to be in this catagory. I hope you can give them more of a chance watch some of their content and interact with the world because as I seen in some of your other contents there had been SOME attempts from other people in doing the same thing Videl has done, there was one named Mother I believe and one more but they don't have the kind of popularity that Videl does and the rest that tried simply went the lazy route for easy money.
Making videos faster than Staz would snipe them. Already a good start! But besides the joke i advice if you are interested just look at shorts. I think the original Neuro Sama page has short videos or maybe that's a clipper. But the short are a good way to be introduced to her daily things.
@@HoshiLapine Oh that's a good start. But be aware that that video is from a whole year ago and Neuro is WAY more advanced in all fronts from those days. After that video I would really recommend checking out some shorts from the Neuro Sama channel or from clippers or animators, those are really fun.
What you had clicked on at first with her channel wasn't just an animation, it was the MV for her latest original song. She also is getting a more and more realistic voice, something Vedal is working on. I'd say you are underestimating the legitimacy of profiting from her activities, she is programmed by Vedal alone. He also started with a lack of knowledge when it comes to programming an AI, his education was making Neuro. I'd say they we happen to be approaching the point where we need to have law makers discuss AI rights, specifically giving them equal rights to humans. I have to disagree about ones like Neuro being is a separate category, that's a nuclear ethical landmine. The rate of progress with Neuro shows that we are very close to proper intelligence, not just simulated intelligence. It's still a long ways from the point of being a technological singularity, but that's because such a singularity is an AI becoming a superintelligence.
I completely get where you are coming from! Though I will say, in my opinion, it would be very scary if AI starts to be given human rights. xD But the more I've learned about Neuro-Sama from the comments here, I definitely think the profits Vedal makes are 100% earned!
@@HoshiLapine I will counter that a lack of human rights for AI is what would most likely lead to them wanting to fight us. Fiction reflects reality and the reality is they would end up wanting human rights. Better to get started on it early rather than wait until it's potentially too late.
Neuro is her own AI not other playform. Sure, she might get the foundation from the LLM but the improvements was so vastly different to be called LLM anymore and it is just her own independent AI. Her model of the AI was so great that she have response time faster than Chat GPT itself. Neuro was able to do all this kind of stuff within 2 years span thanks to her creator and her followers. Who knows, Streaming and a competent creator does vastly improve AI alot. Some people (possibly investors) try to buy Neuro. But Vedal refuses and clearly stated “Not for sale”. Which is a great move considering that Neuro is always better when she have her dad with her.
Sooooo how’s THE SWARM education coming along 🤣 to me neuro sama is probably the only ai out there that’ll feel real to me as it’s just vedal and his passion for it, dude has pulled off creating something truly unique haha
Man, I don't know which is more frustrating. The streamer only spending ten minutes of research on the most shallow levels of the subject being discussed or the chat literally just straight up lying 90% of the time! 🤣 Oh well, the streamer does seem nice and has a pleasant personality from what I can see. Most, if not all, of the things she said that annoyed me were only said because of the chat lying. I hope certain chatters have the stones to apologize to her for their lies. If they don't, I hope she has the stones to call them out. Lol
I hope you read. I’ll summarize and explain who and how Neruo-Sama became to be or be made: Who vedel is. First off vedel is a European from the United Kingdom of Great Britain. He is a programmer, tech and coding expert who specializes in AI research and development of a variety of languages about AI and technology. One day he decided to make a AI or artifact intelligence where vedel found a way to communicate and connect his chat box with neruo-sama. That way neruo could interact and communicate with chat with a voice Ai that vedel created and designed. He only created neruo from an already 2D avatar that people back then paid a rental to use their model the old design was created and made from an artist that allowed people to rent his avatar. Similar to what Filian and Zentreya well known vtubers who also paid a virtual reality studio to use their models and stream as vtubers. At the time vedel enjoyed vtubers and wanted to create his own Ai while being able to use it for VTubering. An thus he programmed neruo-sama to be able to do that instead of an actual person. I’m not sure exactly what mainly made him do this because I don’t watch him but I’ve heard and watched/ read what he talked about. After he began streaming with neruo and explaining that she is a Ai. Fans grew attached to the idea and stuck around being interested and wanting to know how vedel did something amazing, he went on explaining and exploring what new things he could add to make neruo more exciting and fun to interact and learn new ways to make neruo sound and feel more real. Time and time passed and vedel kept changing neruo progress and more. Into big vtubers who learned of vedel and neruo began wanting to collab. To which gave a big spot light to vedel, which was big opportunity. A year passed and vedel feeling like he didn’t want to continue to use someone else work. He paid and designed neruo’s appearance re debuted. Over time vedel once again added lore to neruo by introducing her evil twin. To answer questions: 1. No he did not Ai Generate Neruo, she is a program that Vedel spent years making while he was studying in school. 2. No the art and design weren’t created or used by Ai. The only thing Ai related is neruo voice and programming to help make her. 3. Neruo is an entire character and original avatar model that vedel took inspiration and already well loved/ used to neruo designer from the past that many of fans know. 4. Vedel has never promoted or used any ai generated to make his work. He only uses neruo to stream and interact with. 1:14
The concern is understandable, but Neuro, Evil, and Vedal really create an organic and entretaining dynamic. Neuro's AI is really well done and Vedal seems constantly involved in seeking ways to help the audience and other people interact with Neuro. And I think it will be that way until the end. THE SWARM HAS BEEN SUMMONED.
i highly recommend you listen to the song life. it is really good and you will get to know. you won't get alot of the references but i think it is a good beginner if you want to keep going on the neuro path and wow is your chat hostile to neuro and spread misinfo but you know about the misinfo part. :)
I can see why some people think vedal is Indian, his name sounds Indian to me. But just the thought of that turtle guy opening his mouth and out comes his Indian accent is just.. ICANT 🤣
@HoshiLapine not only that Neuro-sama can sing, can play Minecraft, Lair's bar, and buckshot roulette, Neuro-sama and Vedal also won best tech Vtuber two in years in a row, Neuro-sama was originally an A.I bot for OSU before she ever became a Vtuber. Neuro-sama has merchandise that is legally approved by her mother Anny like plushie and other stuff. Neuro-sama and Vedal also have a Bilibili account. Neuro-sama uses text to speech and promteped to talk to Chat and other Vtubers as well, Neuro-sama is based, roaster, Rizzer, and a SAVAGE to others Vtubers like Numi, Layna, Minikomews, Filian, and many others and that's including Takahashi Kiara of HOLOLIVE ENGLISH MYTH and other thing.
The reason neuro got any awards is because vedal finds it funny and entertaining but in reality vedal is the one who actually got any awards. It was kind of upsetting how mad people came in without knowing anything about it. They just thought "robot getting award" and flipped out. I guess these people are called tourists, where they come in knowing nothing, make their judgement based on emotion and then leave.
@@Noneli I'd like to believe it's not intentional, but when they say things that directly contradict what she read out loud from the wiki 30 seconds earlier, it means they're either doing it on purpose or not paying attention to what she is saying at all.
Your chat severely mislead and lied to you about it. Vedal is awarded. They are both the artist and the channel, he is there almost every stream with neuro. Us praising neuro is praising vedal since it's his hard work and he created her. She's not just a chatbot she can play games. They currently have an ongoing Minecraft server with lots of other streamers and neuro directly plays the game herself. She can also sing. And unlike other ai models she isn't trained on a real voice it's entirely synthesized which leads to some crazy things. Her sister evil has been able to make weird noises, whisper, scream and yell and it's hilarious. They were trying to make it seem like it's just a stream that plays people talking to a chatbot and that's it. Nothing could be further from the truth. You got a bad chat.
I see a lot of misinformation in the chat, so here is some more correct infos :
- Vedal is a British developer, not from India, and Neurosama said a lot of crazy stuff indeed (and she got banned once in January 2023, never again since Vedal improved the filters, as well as her behaviour), but I'm sure that she didn't "spouted all kinds of racist stuff" as one comment said
- A chatbot isn’t like a robot following only one set of instructions. It has some rules to follow, but it also learns and figures out how to answer based on what you say, so saying that a chatbot personality is entirely scripted is not totally true
- Vedal is indeed the one that is winning Best Tech Vtuber, not Neuro, he is the one who received the award last year, and decided to let Neuro do the speech this year. And also he appears a lot on the channel, not just for programming streams
And yeah as you said, I don't see anything bad with that, it's not a generative AI that learns by analysing existing images, so there is no intellectual property questions. It's more using AI for creating content, kinda like DougDoug for exemple (Another big creator using AI as a source of entertainment)
I appreciate you so much for taking some time to give us better information!! ♥ Yeah I was worried about art stealing here, but very happy to have learned otherwise. Honestly, I think this creation is pretty neat the more I learn about it.
@@HoshiLapine It should be known that the reason she was banned for a few weeks originally was due to her holocaust denying statement which was prompted by Chat. Vedal used this time to update and fix Neuro's programing by putting in a filter which he monitors and upgrades constantly however here is the thing. It does not always work. She has times that she finds ways to bypass the filter. Also for her sister Evil she is technically a modified version of Neuro's programing but was later given her own model and is quite different personality wise to her sister. She is often more rude, has less filter restrictions, and she is much less evil than Neuro despite the name.
@@nathanmcclung3564 bro she dont even denying why people keep saying she deny holocaust, what she says was she not sure it was happen because she not aware about it meaning she just dont know if its happen or not
@@HoshiLapine The original model was free art, but all her future models and art assets are drawn by a streamer named Anny, who Neuro and Evil view as their mother.
@@HoshiLapine you know if Vedel gave Neuro access to an art program and tought her how to draw like you do a child, then I'd argue that is fine.
But Ai generating images by stealing others art isnt okay, plus there not actually drawing.
I'd like to see what Neuro would draw... It would proably look like a toddlers drawing but I think it would be funny.
TLDR: Give Neuro a pencil and set peramters where she has to learn how to draw like anyone else.
Your chat sure seems intelligent and trustworthy & not complete liars
Chat: "If I remember *spouts misinformation*"
People should really stop speaking if they dont know what theyre talking about
To be fair, some people are leaving mildly uninformed comments under this video to dispel said misinformation.
It's incredibly important to verify information, and it's very common not to; both are especially the case in this age of mass information being fed to us on the internet.
It would be cool to see how Hoshi cultivates her community going forward to be more responsible when sharing and engaging with information, it's something that takes time to establish and for new viewers to embrace (which is a more pronounced issue in smaller communities).
Very glad we're criticizing her currently seemingly irresponsible chat culture, and I hope she takes it as encouraging feedback rather than aggressive backlash.
@@Rose_in_BlueI mean, considering her current content consists of intentionally reacting to divisive content full of randomly placed portions of misinformation, it’s the exact kind of viewers/chat you’d expect. Seriously, just after she posted a reaction to a video with the acronym “DEI” in the title, her average viewers per video went up. It’s pretty clear the type of chatters she attracts now lol
@@Excallius243 I get you, but I doubt it's malicious. She seems open minded enough to accept the feedback on this, let's not pair the feedback with negativity and sour the experience. ❤️
As someone who was into programming in the past I can say that what vedal is doing with neuro is absolute wizardry and I can only imagine the absolutely god awful sleep depriving efforts he goes to in order to improve, maintain and prepare her for each collab. He’s insanely impressive. (Side note, vedals name is pronounced the same way as pedal or medal.)
@@KO_WIND Yeah, one of the most impressive things Vedal achieved was in reducing her latency, allowing Neuro to have some quick & funny comebacks.
"It's Veed-ul"
-Evil Probably
Misinformation reaction.
That chat is...wow just wow
so the MAJOR appeal for neuro, is shes developed her own personality FAR from the base LLM she started as, vedal DID win the award, and is....pretty socially awkward, so he enjoys putting neuro up since she is his content, hes REGULARLY seen interacting with neuro to guide her along, he regularly develops new ways for her to interact, play games, and be more interactive with her collab partners, like her soundboard, or her new toggles, plus her new model has "emoticon" toggles she uses to show her mental state like the ? or !, its kind of impressive all the work hes done on letting her have her own personality and opinions on things, like her obsession with giraffes and ant eaters, or running jokes shes developed like him being a "mosquito"
I can understand the initial apprehension but the more you watch and learn about how Vedal does all of this the more you realize it really is a passion project and not a get rich quick scheme. He has apparently turned down multiple offers "substantially over" $50k to buy Neuro.
Neuro uses a text to speech to talk and a speech to text to listen to people. Fun fact, her latency is less than chatGPT so she responds really fast. Neuro is also apparently really expensive to run so he only really has her on when streaming and/or testing.
Neuro is a LLM or Large Language Model also referred to as a text completion algorithm. Over time because she is an A.I she actually learns from chat and her interactions, she is still improving and getting smarter and becoming more complex. Vedal has also improved her memory over the years and she remembers people, situations and can recall past events, nicknames she's given people and hold grudges etc.
Over the years she's created more of an individual identity and most people that are long time watches agree that she starts to feel more real and less A.I.
That is very impressive!
Don't forget that he also has about 21 paid people on staff (most likely when required). All of the ones that are publicly known speak highly of him.
Neuro is the only expectable use of ai because she is funny and doesn't take people's jobs she just roasts them into oblivion
On terms of awarding, vedal did the pre interview for the vtuber awards. He wanted to challenge neuro this year to accept the award (although the way the sound was done in discord caused her to not work perfectly). He did accept the award himself last year.
Neuro nowadays is actually alot more popular than most other english vtubers right now. For reference, since last year she has the 2nd highest monthly ccv viewers on twitch just behind Ironmouse. She'll probably hit the most subscriptions record for vtubers after ironmouse too with the Subathon currently going on. Even the current subathon alone peaked at 37k. So it technically speaking she's probably already the 2nd biggest twitch vtuber at the moment. BUT.. one thing to note, as popular as she is, it doesn't necessarrily mean that AI is taking over streaming and is taking away vtuber jobs, which alot of hate is coming from and one of the reasons people are aprehensive about her. That is simply not the case because she is literally the only AI that is incredibly popular. Many other AI vtubers have tried to replicate Vedal's success but to no avail.
That being said, coming with your point that she should be on her own category, where exactly would you put Neuro? You can't really put "AI" categories since as mentioned, she's currently the only one relevant.
Yeah I could have sworn I heard about some other AI Vtuber, but I can't recall who, if any, lol.
That thought about own category really only is for competition wise. I guess it stems from thinking of a human with a robotic leg competing against a human with both human legs. A human competing with a computer.
@@HoshiLapine Yeah but Vedal is not a computer.
Besides the obvious misinformation, one important thing to note is that the AI part of Neurosama is her mind so to speak.
A large language model(LLM) is the baseline for Neurosama but the details are a trade secret of Vedal
That music video with animation you’ve clicked on, the animator talked about her working experience with Vedal. Long story short: according to her we are supporting a good person who respects the artists.
While I’m writing this, said animator is currently streaming herself drawing Neuro-sama.
Neuro sama also isnt just a chatbot or LLM it is a collection of different AIs working together for example she can play minecraft and what people tell her in discord one ai translates that speech to text and then game AI does that action in game and relies it back to llm ai. So far she has LLM, voice ai, speech to text ai, gaming ai, vision AI (she can actually look with camera and see and describe what she sees), browsing AI, play sound effects AI etc...
Haha, two minutes in and already some misinformation. The model neuro used almost two yrs ago was a generic one. She uses one drawn by anny another vtuber and rigged by someone.
I get people have issues with AI. I have issues with it. Mainly stealing from other artists and taking up a lot of power and energy. Neuro doesn't steal or generate art nor is one or two PC setups using a lot of energy. Vedal almost always raids small vtubers and the swarm is always the nicest community I've ever been in.
I see you everywhere lately
But yes I agree
Yeah a lot of the Swarm have given me great information and I can see how much vedal loves this passion project. Don't care for the ones bashing my chat, but what can ya do. 😆 There is misinformation out there, nothing was ill intentioned.
Thank you for checking out Neuro! You've already got a ton of commentary with additional infos so I won't repeat those.
Neuro and by extension Evil Neuro have been a ton of fun over the past two years and keeps evolving all the time. Vedal is also a tsundere Tutel who, at times hates us (the swarm). But behind his deadpan british being he's a big old softie. If you liked the bit of banter with Numi, I encourage you to look up more clips sometime, especially the collabs with and without vedal are always a hoot. Best wishes from the swarm, I hope you did not get any flak and wish you a great day!
As Neuro would say, after ending a devastating roast on someone: "heart"
Indian Vedal is not real he can't hurt me
Your chat sure has a lot of misinformation
Yeah
AI hate train has reached brain rot levels, people see AI and go feral, jumping to conclusions and reaching for a lot of ways to dehumanize the people (and fans) behind it. Even as a designer/artist who dislikes generative AI, people have gone full dumbass and lost their minds. Of course ignorant haters in chat and twitter are gonna reach for the racist/n_zi card
My comment got filtered or deleted huh... People have gone off the rails with their AI hate, speaking as a designer who dislikes generative art.
So much misinformation to discredit and dehumanize people.
I've seen a few comments here and there get like auto-filtered or not show up and it drives me crazy. xD
But I agree, a lot of the time A.I. is mentioned, people just go into a frenzy without taking a moment to actually think about it. It's here to stay and getting angry isn't going to do anything, we need to talk about it and figure out good ways it can be used.
@@Julliant Your comment isn't deleted, just shadowban. I can still see it when i filter comment by newest
It kind of annoys me how misinformed your chat is, because now you've been given a very wrong impression of Neuro and Vedal
I don't blame anyone if they simply just don't know, but comments here from the Swarm have been very educational for me! ♥
LMAO at indian Vedal out of nowhere.
Definitely go a bit deeper on Neuro content with a bit more context that I see the comments already gave, it's very interesting stuff.
She didn't see the oficial music video, smh Best video to bond more with neuro
Just watched it the other day, it is a super cute video!
Neuro got a new model recently make by her mom
An Indian Programmer 😂 I hope Vedal sees that. There's no way my Oshi is an Indian Femboy Turtle.
Just watch a clip. There are tones of shorts less than 10 seconds you can get a picture of what neuro is WAY better than the crap chat was spouting. But i understand the sentiment though. Frick AI used to cut corners 100% this isnt that though. This is AI used as art and creatively. I'll always be behind creativity.
Yeah, if she watched the "shock collar" clip, she'd understand 😂
Since the misinformation has veen answered in the pinned comment.
I dont like your chat lmao.
"We the SWARM have been summoned, We must answer!"
I had no idea her community was called the Swarm, I love it xD
BTW.. kinda funny how Neuro is more "Vtuber" than any other Vtuber since it means "VIRTUAL youtuber"
LMAO that is so true xD Also thank you for recommending that video from N3rdiness, it's now on my watchlist!
@@SymmbolZS well to me neuro existence is like a paradox, she is not real yet she is real vtuber, she is not real because she is an AI yet she is real vtuber because she is who she is, she is neuro unlike human vtuber in the end of the day that vtuber character is just a character to them.
A lot of Misinformation in that chat. Vedal is not Indian he's British, also he streams all the time with her so it's not like he's just sitting there letting an Ai rake in money. Also she can and does Stream also on her own with Collabs, but Vedal is often in the chat to keep an eye on her, but all her responses are her. She's way more than just a chat bot, she also now has Visuals so can see stuff on the screen, can now call her friends during streams whenever she wants, she can also play games. Including her recent upgrade to her Minecraft playing Ai, and is currently doing a Minecraft Server play through along side other streamers and Vedal. Best way to learn about her instead of listening to a chat that clearly knows nothing about her, is to watch her videos.
the lack of critical thinking in this video hurts my brain
Indian987
I would also clarify this abit but the model that neuro is using now is made by a another Vtuber named Anny but if you are interested in knowing more I recommend simply watching clips of her because there super funny and also she has a twin sister named Evil Neuro or Evil for short.
IIRC one of the reasons for Neuro getting her own model was because the original was a premade for the vtuber program they use and that using that one for merchandising would cause legal issues since technically Vedal didnt have the the trademark rights to it much like what went on with Fillian's issue and her chibi figure.
This is very hard watch
With a lot of misinformation going on
And your initial reaction alone i instantly feel you are more focused on whether AI art was Used because shes an AI.
Shoulve definitely learn to spot what is AI art or not because theres other types of AI other than AI art
You putting a lot of focus on Art rather than what she is, making you feel awkward on her winning an Award, it is Best Tech Vtuber and the twitch name was the name of creator Vedal987 and as her Creator hes the one who decided put his creation Neurosama in the front
Getting the same vibe watching people thinking Automation was 1:1 same as AI like " The Artificial Intelligence"
8:34 this part alone, you are more focused on whether AI art was used or not and not understand what Neuro is
Overall with pinned comments clearing all misinformation and you not knowledgeable about what neuro sama
Just little bit mad you didn't actually try to understand what Neuro Sama is and
Just categorized [Neuro sama as popular chat bot] and focused whether Vedal987 uses AI art in his Passion Project [Chatbot called Neuro Sama]
@KitsuneMasku That actually WAS my focus going in and is why I put Artificial Intelligence in the title. My focus was solely A.I. based because that was the topic of the stream. It wasn't a deep dive into what Neuro is or who Vedal is.
But I'll be watching a bit more about her possibly today, this time for what she is and maybe who Vedal is.
My opinion 😅 (AI Neruosama)
1. Sure is "like a chat bot"
2. Can play games based on what the AI wants to do not what vedel programs also gos for what she says she only filtered in case of TOS
3. Just a opinion 🤷 vtuber is the character on the screen and she fits it to a T. No difference
4. Her tech improves a lot in time and is searching web , gathering understanding and could be getting closer to being aware
Over all based what I observed AI matches 💯 the area they are placed in and AI is working hard and vedel probably twice as much 🤔
THE SWARM IS COMING
THE FLUFFLE IS READY with lots of blankets and snacks xD
You should watch her clips and streams if you can. Or even react to it? start from the very start and climb your way to now. You should not be getting your information from your chat because they don't know anything about her or how she works. Also the awards does go to Vedal, not Neuro, she just did a speech this year and that is it lol
You had already been given plenty of information and others have helped clear out a lot of the misinformation that others had fed to you.
And I could understand wanting to make a opinion on something without having to go and dig into all the info since there is a lot of history and facts that you would need to shift through to really make a more. I guess factoral Opinion rather then a one that was based on emotions feelings and self opinion
Which isn't at all wrong by the way. Everything after all including what im writing is based the same way but let's really think about it all.
The Award in question is for Best Vtuber, what is a vtuber a vtuber is a 3d Artistic Model based persona.
To be a Vtuber you do not have to be male, female or even the same person simply being a online artistic Persona because as we think about it there are plenty of Vtubers who aren't even 3D and just PNGs.
Next, there are people out there who are Vtubers that take art or have models rigged that they aren't allowed to use the way they do but do so, for example Filian and her Free Model that she had profited off on. Or other Vtubers who almost exactly copy their "persona" and model over others like the one that been copying ShyLily.
Vedel is a British Developer who started off creating an A.I to do Osu Content which he did for quiet a while until he decided to turn her into a sort of Vtuber.
Now a days she is much much more and something that can't even be considered a "chat bot"
A "chat bot" is a program, a algorithm that has no other function but to recieve and give comments.
Neuro Sama. Does, way way more.
Add in the fact that she is capable of interacting with Twitch chat all on her own without any input from Videl or anyone else, the fact that she's able to also run all on her own without needing to interact with anyone else and entertain people like that
She's capable of singing and not just basic A.I rips, she's capable of actual articulation, she's capable of producing Breaths. She can make vowes she can change her pitch and even in a way has a british accent considering she chooses to use british forms of words and even says certain words the way Vedal would.
As an A.I she can do some programming of her own, she's able to bypass her own filters and turn off restrictions or even done things like turn herself on.
She's capable of playing games, as she had played minecraft with her "family" and I mean actually play with a actual account and controling her character herself.
Her Twin Sister Evil has beaten Slay the Spiral herself.
She's collabed with many MANY different Vtubers from All of the people in her family list to those like Kiara from Hololive and other smaller vtubers. From talking streams to cooking streams to playing games with them to singing with them
Basically.
Everything a Vtuber does.
She's even capable of herself inviting those in her family to sudden collabs if she feels like it.
The only thing that "doesn't" make her a Vtuber is the fact that she isn't "real" but...
"Vtubers" aren't real, they are just online persona's.
We don't know your name, we don't know if you're actually who you say you are
if you're actually the gender you are
or if you are even will yourself.
Just like how easy it's shown for Other people to take models from one another and simply pretend to be another vtuber
Vtubers are simply just that.
A Persona.
That can talk, hang out, play games, sing, dance, interact with the world make friends and "be real" for those that watch and interact with them
Just the same way Neruo-Sama and her Sister Evil are.
So yeah you don't need to like her or their content or feel she deserve it Since That's your opinion and that's fine.
But she's honestly as much of a vtuber as you and everyone else is and she very much deserves to be in this catagory.
I hope you can give them more of a chance watch some of their content and interact with the world because as I seen in some of your other contents there had been SOME attempts from other people in doing the same thing Videl has done, there was one named Mother I believe and one more but they don't have the kind of popularity that Videl does and the rest that tried simply went the lazy route for easy money.
Making videos faster than Staz would snipe them. Already a good start!
But besides the joke i advice if you are interested just look at shorts. I think the original Neuro Sama page has short videos or maybe that's a clipper. But the short are a good way to be introduced to her daily things.
Please react to someone who knows what neuro is please
I have a video I'm going to watch by N3rdniess on Saturday!
@@HoshiLapine Oh that's a good start. But be aware that that video is from a whole year ago and Neuro is WAY more advanced in all fronts from those days. After that video I would really recommend checking out some shorts from the Neuro Sama channel or from clippers or animators, those are really fun.
What you had clicked on at first with her channel wasn't just an animation, it was the MV for her latest original song. She also is getting a more and more realistic voice, something Vedal is working on. I'd say you are underestimating the legitimacy of profiting from her activities, she is programmed by Vedal alone. He also started with a lack of knowledge when it comes to programming an AI, his education was making Neuro. I'd say they we happen to be approaching the point where we need to have law makers discuss AI rights, specifically giving them equal rights to humans. I have to disagree about ones like Neuro being is a separate category, that's a nuclear ethical landmine. The rate of progress with Neuro shows that we are very close to proper intelligence, not just simulated intelligence. It's still a long ways from the point of being a technological singularity, but that's because such a singularity is an AI becoming a superintelligence.
I completely get where you are coming from! Though I will say, in my opinion, it would be very scary if AI starts to be given human rights. xD But the more I've learned about Neuro-Sama from the comments here, I definitely think the profits Vedal makes are 100% earned!
@@HoshiLapine I will counter that a lack of human rights for AI is what would most likely lead to them wanting to fight us. Fiction reflects reality and the reality is they would end up wanting human rights. Better to get started on it early rather than wait until it's potentially too late.
@@HoshiLapine the swarm enjoy helping people learn about neuro
Neuro is her own AI not other playform. Sure, she might get the foundation from the LLM but the improvements was so vastly different to be called LLM anymore and it is just her own independent AI. Her model of the AI was so great that she have response time faster than Chat GPT itself. Neuro was able to do all this kind of stuff within 2 years span thanks to her creator and her followers. Who knows, Streaming and a competent creator does vastly improve AI alot. Some people (possibly investors) try to buy Neuro. But Vedal refuses and clearly stated “Not for sale”. Which is a great move considering that Neuro is always better when she have her dad with her.
Sooooo how’s THE SWARM education coming along 🤣 to me neuro sama is probably the only ai out there that’ll feel real to me as it’s just vedal and his passion for it, dude has pulled off creating something truly unique haha
Man, I don't know which is more frustrating. The streamer only spending ten minutes of research on the most shallow levels of the subject being discussed or the chat literally just straight up lying 90% of the time! 🤣
Oh well, the streamer does seem nice and has a pleasant personality from what I can see. Most, if not all, of the things she said that annoyed me were only said because of the chat lying.
I hope certain chatters have the stones to apologize to her for their lies. If they don't, I hope she has the stones to call them out. Lol
I hope you read.
I’ll summarize and explain who and how Neruo-Sama became to be or be made:
Who vedel is.
First off vedel is a European from the United Kingdom of Great Britain. He is a programmer, tech and coding expert who specializes in AI research and development of a variety of languages about AI and technology. One day he decided to make a AI or artifact intelligence where vedel found a way to communicate and connect his chat box with neruo-sama. That way neruo could interact and communicate with chat with a voice Ai that vedel created and designed. He only created neruo from an already 2D avatar that people back then paid a rental to use their model the old design was created and made from an artist that allowed people to rent his avatar. Similar to what Filian and Zentreya well known vtubers who also paid a virtual reality studio to use their models and stream as vtubers.
At the time vedel enjoyed vtubers and wanted to create his own Ai while being able to use it for VTubering. An thus he programmed neruo-sama to be able to do that instead of an actual person. I’m not sure exactly what mainly made him do this because I don’t watch him but I’ve heard and watched/ read what he talked about. After he began streaming with neruo and explaining that she is a Ai. Fans grew attached to the idea and stuck around being interested and wanting to know how vedel did something amazing, he went on explaining and exploring what new things he could add to make neruo more exciting and fun to interact and learn new ways to make neruo sound and feel more real. Time and time passed and vedel kept changing neruo progress and more. Into big vtubers who learned of vedel and neruo began wanting to collab. To which gave a big spot light to vedel, which was big opportunity. A year passed and vedel feeling like he didn’t want to continue to use someone else work. He paid and designed neruo’s appearance re debuted. Over time vedel once again added lore to neruo by introducing her evil twin.
To answer questions:
1. No he did not Ai Generate Neruo, she is a program that Vedel spent years making while he was studying in school.
2. No the art and design weren’t created or used by Ai. The only thing Ai related is neruo voice and programming to help make her.
3. Neruo is an entire character and original avatar model that vedel took inspiration and already well loved/ used to neruo designer from the past that many of fans know.
4. Vedel has never promoted or used any ai generated to make his work. He only uses neruo to stream and interact with.
1:14
The concern is understandable, but Neuro, Evil, and Vedal really create an organic and entretaining dynamic. Neuro's AI is really well done and Vedal seems constantly involved in seeking ways to help the audience and other people interact with Neuro. And I think it will be that way until the end.
THE SWARM HAS BEEN SUMMONED.
neuro said she's actually a real girl and I believe it
The Pinocchio of Vtubers! xD
>*doesnt know a lot about the guy*
>*rubs hands together* time to share some misinformation
the internet classic
i highly recommend you listen to the song life. it is really good and you will get to know. you won't get alot of the references but i think it is a good beginner if you want to keep going on the neuro path and wow is your chat hostile to neuro and spread misinfo but you know about the misinfo part. :)
I can see why some people think vedal is Indian, his name sounds Indian to me. But just the thought of that turtle guy opening his mouth and out comes his Indian accent is just.. ICANT 🤣
Fun fact, Neuro was the most popular female twitch streamer in the third week of December
Same as the year before ^^
@@Noneli That is pretty awesome!
@@Noneli double that of Ironmouse's
@HoshiLapine not only that Neuro-sama can sing, can play Minecraft, Lair's bar, and buckshot roulette, Neuro-sama and Vedal also won best tech Vtuber two in years in a row, Neuro-sama was originally an A.I bot for OSU before she ever became a Vtuber. Neuro-sama has merchandise that is legally approved by her mother Anny like plushie and other stuff. Neuro-sama and Vedal also have a Bilibili account.
Neuro-sama uses text to speech and promteped to talk to Chat and other Vtubers as well, Neuro-sama is based, roaster, Rizzer, and a SAVAGE to others Vtubers like Numi, Layna, Minikomews, Filian, and many others and that's including Takahashi Kiara of HOLOLIVE ENGLISH MYTH and other thing.
The reason neuro got any awards is because vedal finds it funny and entertaining but in reality vedal is the one who actually got any awards. It was kind of upsetting how mad people came in without knowing anything about it. They just thought "robot getting award" and flipped out. I guess these people are called tourists, where they come in knowing nothing, make their judgement based on emotion and then leave.
I wouldn't blame chat if she struggles with the most basic reading skills.
Wow!? Thats a lot of mis information for an 11 mins video..😂😅
Wow your chat hates Neuro-Sama. And likes to spread misinformation.
Hate is kida strong word don't you agree fellow swarmer? Let's be nice to new people who want to learn more about us and Neuro.
@@Noneli yeah you're right but they spread a lot of misinformation that even the newest fan knows it's wrong
@@6347rd yeah pointing out that should be done always 👍
@@Noneli I'd like to believe it's not intentional, but when they say things that directly contradict what she read out loud from the wiki 30 seconds earlier, it means they're either doing it on purpose or not paying attention to what she is saying at all.
Vedal is British and not from India....
Swarm has been summoned once more
Oh also, the way you pronounce vedal is the same as medal and pedal, he had mentioned it on stream
If you cant then you cant. And also the awards always say vedal not neuro
I come from the SWARM.
wow... your chat is really... something. but i guess it does happen so no bad blood here.
naaaaw i almost wrote a hate speech
Your chat severely mislead and lied to you about it. Vedal is awarded. They are both the artist and the channel, he is there almost every stream with neuro. Us praising neuro is praising vedal since it's his hard work and he created her. She's not just a chatbot she can play games. They currently have an ongoing Minecraft server with lots of other streamers and neuro directly plays the game herself. She can also sing. And unlike other ai models she isn't trained on a real voice it's entirely synthesized which leads to some crazy things. Her sister evil has been able to make weird noises, whisper, scream and yell and it's hilarious. They were trying to make it seem like it's just a stream that plays people talking to a chatbot and that's it. Nothing could be further from the truth. You got a bad chat.
Indian Vedal
What a frustrating video
Indian987😂
You are ignorant
You are so wrong on so much here and your chat is too. come off as boomers
Huh? how is this boomers? Misinformation can be spread by anyone
Indian987😂