Money Soles we all want our parents and grandparents to live long lives but sometimes we just haft to enjoy life with them so they can live life without fearing death so basically enjoy your life and when it happens it happens just enjoy your time together until it’s time we might not know when it’s happening but you shouldn’t really worry about that, your family members probably thought the same thing when they were younger but they got over it by doing what they want to do and have kids to take care of and again ( enjoying their/your life the way YOU want to )
Dr. Carol, I usually agree with you, and this video is no different. I just wanted to thank you for continuing to make videos based on data, not on pathos. People with preconceptions will always throw insults and what not in the comments, but I for one appreciate what you're doing. I trust your reporting and I really hope you keep doing it.
In Canada our stupid government recently increase the retirement age for Old Age Security to 67 cause people are living longer, making it more sustainable, yadda yadda. Which is idiotic. Who needs that money the most? The poor. Who live the shortest lives? The poor. I'm pretty sure the old age security amount isn't fully clawed back until you make more than like 120k a year or something like that. So rather than lower that curve or something they bumped up the age. Rather than hurt the richer people who don't need it, he hurts the poor who do.
***** It was a federal change in 2012. www.servicecanada.gc.ca/eng/services/pensions/oas/changes/index.shtml In Ontario (I don't know about other provinces or territories) we have GAINS as well, which is a minimum income system for the elderly. It hasn't changed, as far as I know, and you can receive it at age 65 (but there are complications for those from other provinces). www.fin.gov.on.ca/en/credit/gains/
***** no shit. But the reality is that for the poor, government money really is mostly what they rely on and the better off are much more likely to have retirement funds. I don't think anybody making 100k after retirement needs any portion of Old Age Security.
KnightRaymund alright since you need more explaining... if people get older but get to retire at 65 then there will be exponential increase of people living of pension and goes who has to pay that? You and me in taxes. This used to be able to be done because 7 people payed for 1 person. Now its 2 for 1....
I'd be careful how you interpret the fact that high school dropouts aren't living as long as they did in 1990. This isn't necessarily a sign that things are getting worse for that group. Since overall education levels have increased, it's possible that economically better-off people who would have dropped out in 1990 were actually finishing high school by 2008, thus leaving the overall cohort of high school dropouts with the poorest of the poor. The same is true of the map. Maybe the wealthier, better-educated people in the Deep South and Appalachia were simply more likely to leave that region between 1990 and 2008 and head for better opportunities elsewhere. If this is the case, then it wouldn't actually mean health outcomes are getting worse for individual poor people. It would just mean that the category of "high school dropouts" or "residents of Appalachia" tends to be comprised of poorer people than it was in 1990.
im glad you covered this. Theres a whole documentary series called Unnatural Causes that talks about just this. Im currently taking a sociology class in health disparties so this topic has been of great interest to me as of late. Environment, Socioeconomic status, and education are huge determiners of health and i dont think many people realize it (I know i certainly didnt until i enrolled in the class).
These are all really good points Dr. Carroll makes. One way of looking at Life Expectancy at age 65, when comparing the US to other countries, is that there doesn't seem to be much of an overall difference. But that's not taking into account the tremendous resources we spend on health care. We spend far, far more on health care and even after age 65, we don't seem to be getting more or healthier life out of it.
I’m 53 and did a life expectancies calculator. I put o all the info and it said I’ll live to be 66. Wow that was a shock. But then thought about the 6 men from both sides on my family that all died by or before 60 with the exception of some uncles who lived into their early 70’s.
Life expectancy is so rated wrong! My uncle died at 78 from cancer, long time smoker and drinker and many family members thought he died young, yet his wife, a longtime non smoker and non drinker died 4 years later at 82 and nobody thought she died early. It seems that 80 is the magic age to live a long life.
Disability is an average of 12 years in people with combined bad habits and it does really not come from age. I have seen the 90 to 95yo that may have hearing deterioration or need an eye operation but that is not the terrible disability that comes from bad habits. They do not even classify as disabled in longevity studies. Disability in these studies is not being able to dress, walk, get out of bed, wash, etc. This is up to 12years and comes before the age of 60 for those that combine the three basic bad habits, but can be zero years in people who die at 94.
Healthcare Triage Looking at ( 5:40 ) the graph of education and life expectancy at birth, and I've got a question. Looking at the first group, less than 12 years of education, wouldn't it be skewed because it would necessarily include those who died before completing 12 years of education. Anyone who died before they graduated high school would be thrown into that group, including infant deaths. Wouldn't it be more meaningful to look at median or life expectancy at age 60 for education as well? Do you have this data?
Doc Nevyn Jeremy Streich It states life expectancy at birth, and studies were done in 1990, 2000 and 2008. I tried to check the full article, but its not available... but the abstract thankfully was: it states the data was measured in adults. So deaths at 17 and younger are not taken into account. what im wondering is how home schooling would affect this chart, and if its taken into account as well. Or left out. Most states force kids to go to school until a certain age. Assuming you go to school at age 4 and drop out at 16 - puts you in the 2nd graph... So who is in the first graph? im guessing since it also measures people around the 90s, these school leaving age is fairly recent, so some elderly people currently walk around with fewer years of education? I do think dividing by years of education, though showing significant results, is a little odd to do when school criteria differ from state to state... Is a year in state A really equal to a year in state B? Does your year in 1980 match the same year in 2000? Of course not... I guess thats why its an average...
What an excellent video! I didn't know about the life expectancy after age 65 metric and it was quite insightful. I very much appreciate your use of data in all your videos! Keep up the great work!
Great video topic! Your chart of life expectancy at age 65 looks amazingly like the life expectancy at birth times 0.4 plus 11! All of the “wiggles” in the two charts pretty much exactly match. I’m debating whether that makes sense...
Everyone has thought about this at some point in there life. It is interesting to see it starts when you are little and when your a baby it is important to be healthy and continue to grow and mature naturally. Its interesting to see how race and education comes into play and in some cases life expectancy is going down and I wish he talked more about what we can do to change it or prevent the situation.
This is is just personal responsibility. When people grow up being told that their less than average lot in life is the fault of someone other than their parents and themselves they stop trying to better themselves because they are told they can't do anything about it. If that's your future why wouldn't you binge yourself on junk foods and fried grease? If you are told every full time employer is just trying to suck the live out of you why would you get a full time job that provides insurance? Why would you try at all if you live in a country where you can't starve?
This only represents certain people. I'm black. My grandparents, alive, are 76 and 75 years old; my great-grandparents lived 85 and 91 years. One of my great-grandmothers was 100 years old when she died. I believe and feel I have a good shot at living to be at least 85 years of age. Also, I have parents and grandparents who earned bachelor's degree, and even one who has a master's degree.
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Beware people! These graphs don't start at 0 so the visible change is far less pronounced, especially in that last bar graph. It looks like the life expectancy for those with
Life expectancy (both at birth and at 65) is based on the average. It would be interesting to look at how the median life expectancy and the standard deviation changed over time.
Great video, but in particular one graph caught my attention: at 5:40, what caused the life expectancy of those with 16+ years of education to be less than those with 13-15 years to be less in 1990 and 2000, and then more in 2008? More curious to me is how more education resulted in lowered life expectancy.
Very informative video the facts on how expectancy of living is affected by whether your educated or uneducated impacts on life expectancy and adds a number of years to your life. The educated live another 10 years on top of the uneducated life expectancy. Another fact that was very informative was the life expectancy and how it continually dropping more and more as years and time goes on. I always figured by now they would have something to change that and turn the rate of going down into a positive rate.
i'm aiming for either 111, 131 or, y'know, 70. i could have done it too, paying homage via sheer stubbornness, if it weren't for the multitude of things that keep shaving off years of my life.
I strongly agree with the fact that life expectancy has much to do with social class and income. People with lower income do not receive the medical treatment they need, proper nutrition, etc., simply because they cannot afford it. Middle class receives necessary medical treatment and nutrition. Upper class receives top of the line medical treatment and has the most advantage when it comes to proper nutrition. Although, yes, we have come a long way with treatment and providing said treatment to babies which helps them live longer and gives them a better survival rate, I believe very strongly that income has the most to do with life expectancy.
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I find it fascinating that the map at 6:19 - red where life expectancy fell and blue where the life expectancy rose - has a strong correlation to maps of republican states vs democratic states..red and blue.
The reason for the life expectancy not going up so much in the United States as in other developed countries is obesity. We have more fake food, sugar, plant based and going sedentary than before. We all have the means to increase our life expectancy, in being happy and optimistic, having more animal food to eat, being in pleasure to do thIngs and abstaining from smoking and alcohol. I do wish to live to be 120, in being able to do so much. I'm 32 right now. And I'm Hispanic, which is with a higher life expectancy than the United States national average.
for the graph at 6:15 project.wnyc.org/median-income-nation/#4/35.53/-86.66 to see average household income from 2008-2012. the years on the two maps don't match but it's a pretty map to look at.
The example about saving one infants life is good. I cant fucking believe I still hear people say that people only lived to their thirties in the middle ages because "life expectancy, that means how long you live, duh!"
Far fewer people don't finish high school today than in decades past, so nowadays being a high school dropout is comparatively much worse and the only people who are high school dropouts are very poor. It could be that the reason high school dropout life expectancy go worse is because many people got more educated and left that data group.
Aren’t the two charts at 4:11 and 4:30 more related to available healthcare… I mean is it really income or is it more likely access to better healthcare, including what medication is covered &/or affordable as well as access to healthy food options/nutritional knowledge, or in some cases just access to healthcare in general!
That's likely a big factor, but higher wages tend to correlate with office work, which is less risky and harmful to the body. There are many factors that correlate with having more money including access to better food, safer neighborhoods, etc.. Many of the present-day discussions can be distilled to "more money is better than less."
If more of the increase in life expectancy (at least on the United States) has been due to a decrease in early deaths than to an increase in old age survival, wouldn't that mean the "inequality" in lifespans has been falling?
Great video as always! However, I was a little disappointed by "I'm willing to bet" for a fact that should be as easily looked up as any other cited on the channel that coined the phrase "To the research!" Although I don't doubt the veracity of this claim, I think it lacks the due-dilligence I've come to expect from your channel. I hope that in the future you'll continue to approach your channel with the scientific rigor that you've used in the past. Thanks, and keep up the good work!
That's not the point. The point is that people use the claim of life expectancy to mean that we're all living longer, when the increase is not nearly as pronounced as you would think. The big thing *is* that the babies are the ones being saved, and that's leading to a misconception.
***** The video seemed to (strongly!) imply that the 50 years given to a single baby was not as valuable as the 1 year given to 50. I'm just asking the question ... what do other people think is more valuable (ie chosen in a binary choice). You say "That's not the point" but there was no "point" in my comment, just a question. You seem to have projected a point on to it! :)
Tom Murphy 1.) No, he literally flat out said they were equal. 1:54 "Saving 1 infant for 50 years *is the same* as saving 50 adults for 1 year." 2.) No, I made an inference based on your assertion of picking the baby to live over 50 people living an extra year. Your scenario is completely irrelevant to the point of the example.
Am I right in thinking that the life expectancy of a particular demographic in a particular time and place more precisely describes the mean lifespan of a hypothetical population that is subjected, throughout its life, to the same death rate as members of that demographic at that age were in that place at that time? For instance, if we were to say "the male life expectancy in Gloucestershire in 1990", we would mean the mean lifespan of a hypothetical cohort that, at in there first year of life had the same survival rate as boys in there first year of life in Gloucestershire in 1990 did, and who, at age 25, had the same mortality rate as 25 year old men in Gloucestershire, in 1990 did, and who, at age 80, had the same mortality rate as 80 year old men in Gloucestershire in 1990 did.
My question to anyone...why does a person WANT to live beyond ( ex. 80 yrs.). SERIOUSLY...even if you have family that certainly do not mean that said family members are going to help you.
All SS covered workers was a line still higher than Germany and the UK, countries we tend to "look up to" for healthcare. Obviously you want to be the best in measures like those but we aren't completely horrible
Sorry Dr. Carroll, but your analysis of why life expectancies seem to be going down for those who haven't completed high school was shallow. In 1990, the people who were dying (and setting that life expectancy) would have been in high school around 1930, when the graduation rate was
It would be interesting to see the percentage of deaths due to domestic violence in the areas that have a decreasing life expectancy for women. Given that DV is linked to low SES and all.
Have you seen that new Ted Talk about adverse childhood experience being bad for health? I think it may be related because single parents in black communities have increased over time, and black families (now, I'm not sure about the past) are more likely to include "whoopings". What I'm saying is it might not be lack of access to healthcare that causes this, at least not entirely.
Interesting. While the extrapolation of big data does provide new understandings, cautious reasoning must prevail required. The old chestnut still holds some truth: figures can lie, liars can figure.
Speaking of education being a proxy for socioeconomic status, isn't "socioeconomic status" just a fancy proxy for income? Occupation and education are factored into SES, but coincidentally the high SES occupations are nearly all high paying and the low SES occupations are nearly all low paying? Education also correlates to income. Given that, isn't the "socio" part of SES is just justification for income disparities? Can we just call it "economic status" and quit kidding ourselves?
I think the point is that you can have a high level of education, yet not have much income due to working in the public sector, or for whatever reason. You would still have a high SES even with a low income.
Um, I don't know what you're getting at, but it doesn't sound like an argument as much as a juvenile snarky remark. Seriously, though, what's with this "class warfare" slogan being thrown around? If anything, the rich are winning any "war" between classes.
Diana Peña It's a jab toward people who think class warfare isn't always happening, and that socialism is going to rip America to shreds. They use those words as an excuse to treat the poor like trash. That is what i'm getting at.
Most of what you say is fine but the first comment you make is that we should care more about saving older people than babies, if that's your opinion thats fine, but i don't agree. I still think saving a whole life of a singel person is worth as much as saving a singel year for some old people.
I don't think that's what he's trying to convey at all. Of course it's wonderful that fewer babies are dying. But we can't use those numbers (life expectancy at birth) to justify how well our healthcare works for adult patients because that data is so heavily influenced by the lives of young children. He's just justifying why we need to switch to a different metric if we want to discuss _adult_ health care accurately.
The tone in this script seems to suggest life expectancy at 65 is a more informative measure or what we're "really" interested in, but doesn't explain why. Sure, disaggregating mortality by age provides more information, but why the emphasis on 'at 65' when we're at least as interested in outcomes for children? You'd need to say more to really argue that the 'at birth' measure is misleading in some way. 2:25 in particular makes it sound like all we're interested in when we talk about life expectancy is the lifespan of older people, rather than the total number of years lived.
I kind of agree about the tone, but, if you want to talk about infant deaths, infant mortality rates is a better metric than "life expectancy at birth." And, when most people talk about "life expectancy" they usually mean "how long will I live" and they usually cite the "life expectancy at birth" number, which isn't appropriate for an adult to use.
Well, take the common tale that people in the middle ages only lived to be about 30. That's life expectancy at birth; If a person made it to about 21 years old, they could expect to live to about 64 years old, something many people only imagine royalty doing at that time in history.
just_the_comments I'm not sure that's what most people mean, but it's possible. My concern was the implication that the Vlogbrothers video in question was using a misleading metric. If we're comparing the overall welfare of subgroups, I see no reason why "at 65" is a more informative measure. Excluding differences in infant mortality would have been a strange choice on John's part.
AngelValis I _totally_ agree that we should pay attention to how life expectancy scales with age. In fact Healthcare Triage, we'd love to see a continuous plot of "Life expectancy at X" if you have one. Even so, the whole Scenario A/B setup seemed to conclude that B was more important or relevant.
This should be the first half of two videos, with a video like this it should be important to also distinguish between the two races the causes of the difference in life expectancy, such as dietary habits, exercise habits, living location (city vs. suburb), and access to medical care, etc. I think this video is somewhat misleading as the only variables here are race and socio-economic status. You need to go beyond that.
I'm tired of this kind of data for americans. I want to see some for Europeans. How does the EU map of life expectancy change look like? I'd like to think I'd be pleasantly surprised to see Eastern Europe doing surprisingly well, or at least increasingly better... but odds are my country would look like a big red blob on the map....
I don’t care how long I live. All I want is for my parents and grandparents to live longer
Money Soles we all want our parents and grandparents to live long lives but sometimes we just haft to enjoy life with them so they can live life without fearing death so basically enjoy your life and when it happens it happens just enjoy your time together until it’s time we might not know when it’s happening but you shouldn’t really worry about that, your family members probably thought the same thing when they were younger but they got over it by doing what they want to do and have kids to take care of and again ( enjoying their/your life the way YOU want to )
im guessing they dont have much of a will?
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Dr. Carol, I usually agree with you, and this video is no different. I just wanted to thank you for continuing to make videos based on data, not on pathos. People with preconceptions will always throw insults and what not in the comments, but I for one appreciate what you're doing. I trust your reporting and I really hope you keep doing it.
Came here to say this.
This. Just this. :)
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Agreed.
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8. old person
9.older person
10. Die
The premise of this show: be the opposite of Dr. Oz.
I intended to live for ever , so far so good
In Canada our stupid government recently increase the retirement age for Old Age Security to 67 cause people are living longer, making it more sustainable, yadda yadda. Which is idiotic. Who needs that money the most? The poor. Who live the shortest lives? The poor. I'm pretty sure the old age security amount isn't fully clawed back until you make more than like 120k a year or something like that. So rather than lower that curve or something they bumped up the age. Rather than hurt the richer people who don't need it, he hurts the poor who do.
***** huh? I'm Canadian. I said as much. The Canadian government. Harper's government.
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It was a federal change in 2012. www.servicecanada.gc.ca/eng/services/pensions/oas/changes/index.shtml
In Ontario (I don't know about other provinces or territories) we have GAINS as well, which is a minimum income system for the elderly. It hasn't changed, as far as I know, and you can receive it at age 65 (but there are complications for those from other provinces). www.fin.gov.on.ca/en/credit/gains/
***** no shit. But the reality is that for the poor, government money really is mostly what they rely on and the better off are much more likely to have retirement funds. I don't think anybody making 100k after retirement needs any portion of Old Age Security.
Jochem van Oosten that's it, totally ignore what I've said.
KnightRaymund alright since you need more explaining... if people get older but get to retire at 65 then there will be exponential increase of people living of pension and goes who has to pay that? You and me in taxes. This used to be able to be done because 7 people payed for 1 person. Now its 2 for 1....
I'd be careful how you interpret the fact that high school dropouts aren't living as long as they did in 1990. This isn't necessarily a sign that things are getting worse for that group. Since overall education levels have increased, it's possible that economically better-off people who would have dropped out in 1990 were actually finishing high school by 2008, thus leaving the overall cohort of high school dropouts with the poorest of the poor.
The same is true of the map. Maybe the wealthier, better-educated people in the Deep South and Appalachia were simply more likely to leave that region between 1990 and 2008 and head for better opportunities elsewhere. If this is the case, then it wouldn't actually mean health outcomes are getting worse for individual poor people. It would just mean that the category of "high school dropouts" or "residents of Appalachia" tends to be comprised of poorer people than it was in 1990.
If you mention another video in one of yours, it would be good to include a link in the description box, or even better, a clickable annotation.
DanThePropMan Needs clickable annotations for the previous/next videos at the end as well!
im glad you covered this. Theres a whole documentary series called Unnatural Causes that talks about just this. Im currently taking a sociology class in health disparties so this topic has been of great interest to me as of late. Environment, Socioeconomic status, and education are huge determiners of health and i dont think many people realize it (I know i certainly didnt until i enrolled in the class).
These are all really good points Dr. Carroll makes. One way of looking at Life Expectancy at age 65, when comparing the US to other countries, is that there doesn't seem to be much of an overall difference. But that's not taking into account the tremendous resources we spend on health care. We spend far, far more on health care and even after age 65, we don't seem to be getting more or healthier life out of it.
I'm black and my grandmother is over a hundred. only god knows when my journey ends.
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I’m 53 and did a life expectancies calculator. I put o all the info and it said I’ll live to be 66. Wow that was a shock. But then thought about the 6 men from both sides on my family that all died by or before 60 with the exception of some uncles who lived into their early 70’s.
Life expectancy is so rated wrong! My uncle died at 78 from cancer, long time smoker and drinker and many family members thought he died young, yet his wife, a longtime non smoker and non drinker died 4 years later at 82 and nobody thought she died early. It seems that 80 is the magic age to live a long life.
Super interesting! PLEEEEAASE KEEP MAKING THESE!
I'm sure the video is easy enough to find but for the sake of us who haven't seen John's video could you put a link in the description?
This video is amazing. I had never thought about it quite like this. Thank you for sharing with us!
The main question is that how long can we live in good health. Who cares the life at age 86 if you are already blind and deaf??
Disability is an average of 12 years in people with combined bad habits and it does really not come from age. I have seen the 90 to 95yo that may have hearing deterioration or need an eye operation but that is not the terrible disability that comes from bad habits. They do not even classify as disabled in longevity studies. Disability in these studies is not being able to dress, walk, get out of bed, wash, etc. This is up to 12years and comes before the age of 60 for those that combine the three basic bad habits, but can be zero years in people who die at 94.
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Looking at ( 5:40 ) the graph of education and life expectancy at birth, and I've got a question. Looking at the first group, less than 12 years of education, wouldn't it be skewed because it would necessarily include those who died before completing 12 years of education. Anyone who died before they graduated high school would be thrown into that group, including infant deaths.
Wouldn't it be more meaningful to look at median or life expectancy at age 60 for education as well? Do you have this data?
Wasn't it life expectency at age 65?
Doc Nevyn Clearly I'm an idiot. The 1990's kids haven't reached 65 yet doh!
Doc Nevyn Jeremy Streich It states life expectancy at birth, and studies were done in 1990, 2000 and 2008.
I tried to check the full article, but its not available... but the abstract thankfully was: it states the data was measured in adults. So deaths at 17 and younger are not taken into account.
what im wondering is how home schooling would affect this chart, and if its taken into account as well. Or left out.
Most states force kids to go to school until a certain age. Assuming you go to school at age 4 and drop out at 16 - puts you in the 2nd graph...
So who is in the first graph?
im guessing since it also measures people around the 90s, these school leaving age is fairly recent, so some elderly people currently walk around with fewer years of education?
I do think dividing by years of education, though showing significant results, is a little odd to do when school criteria differ from state to state... Is a year in state A really equal to a year in state B?
Does your year in 1980 match the same year in 2000? Of course not...
I guess thats why its an average...
I'm wondering if there might be a Simpson's paradox sort of thing going on here. I would expect that, over time, the
I think the chart at 5:20 may be flawed. Does it control for socio economic status somehow? If not the
FOREVER! DAMMIT! I'll be good with 80 though, 86 would probably be ideal at this point.
What an excellent video! I didn't know about the life expectancy after age 65 metric and it was quite insightful. I very much appreciate your use of data in all your videos! Keep up the great work!
Great video topic! Your chart of life expectancy at age 65 looks amazingly like the life expectancy at birth times 0.4 plus 11! All of the “wiggles” in the two charts pretty much exactly match. I’m debating whether that makes sense...
Everyone has thought about this at some point in there life. It is interesting to see it starts when you are little and when your a baby it is important to be healthy and continue to grow and mature naturally. Its interesting to see how race and education comes into play and in some cases life expectancy is going down and I wish he talked more about what we can do to change it or prevent the situation.
Oh I hope not very long, I am already quite tired of life
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Can understand why though .... getting there myself. And I'm older than you ... meaning that if you're feeling like this, it's been a shite time.
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This is is just personal responsibility. When people grow up being told that their less than average lot in life is the fault of someone other than their parents and themselves they stop trying to better themselves because they are told they can't do anything about it. If that's your future why wouldn't you binge yourself on junk foods and fried grease? If you are told every full time employer is just trying to suck the live out of you why would you get a full time job that provides insurance? Why would you try at all if you live in a country where you can't starve?
Can you post a link to the Vlogborthers video you reference?
This only represents certain people. I'm black. My grandparents, alive, are 76 and 75 years old; my great-grandparents lived 85 and 91 years. One of my great-grandmothers was 100 years old when she died. I believe and feel I have a good shot at living to be at least 85 years of age. Also, I have parents and grandparents who earned bachelor's degree, and even one who has a master's degree.
Is it odd that all I could focus on was his jacket? I really want it where can I find this jacket?
Lulu Lemon. Do NOT judge me. They should be sponsoring Healthcare Triage at this point.
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I would never have guessed that was lulu lemon. Wow that's surprising, but it's still amazing I might have to look into getting one.
Beware people! These graphs don't start at 0 so the visible change is far less pronounced, especially in that last bar graph. It looks like the life expectancy for those with
Life expectancy (both at birth and at 65) is based on the average. It would be interesting to look at how the median life expectancy and the standard deviation changed over time.
Great video, but in particular one graph caught my attention: at 5:40, what caused the life expectancy of those with 16+ years of education to be less than those with 13-15 years to be less in 1990 and 2000, and then more in 2008? More curious to me is how more education resulted in lowered life expectancy.
Very informative video the facts on how expectancy of living is affected by whether your educated or uneducated impacts on life expectancy and adds a number of years to your life. The educated live another 10 years on top of the uneducated life expectancy. Another fact that was very informative was the life expectancy and how it continually dropping more and more as years and time goes on. I always figured by now they would have something to change that and turn the rate of going down into a positive rate.
Very Interesting. I would also like to see the life expectancy now compared to 50, 100, 500, 1000, 2000, 5000 years ago.
Is the graph at 5:20 of life expectancy at birth (as written on the slide) or at age 25 (as Aaron mentions)?
That particular graph is life expectancy at birth. I don't recall any graph at age 25 in the video. There is a graph for life expectancy at age 65.
I die Oct. 21, 2109, the day after my 127th birthday.
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It's weird because my great grandmother was born in 1916 and died last year
i'm aiming for either 111, 131 or, y'know, 70.
i could have done it too, paying homage via sheer stubbornness, if it weren't for the multitude of things that keep shaving off years of my life.
wow, I loved this video, such an eyeopener. I wasn't aware of some of these things at all
I strongly agree with the fact that life expectancy has much to do with social class and income. People with lower income do not receive the medical treatment they need, proper nutrition, etc., simply because they cannot afford it. Middle class receives necessary medical treatment and nutrition. Upper class receives top of the line medical treatment and has the most advantage when it comes to proper nutrition. Although, yes, we have come a long way with treatment and providing said treatment to babies which helps them live longer and gives them a better survival rate, I believe very strongly that income has the most to do with life expectancy.
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I find it fascinating that the map at 6:19 - red where life expectancy fell and blue where the life expectancy rose - has a strong correlation to maps of republican states vs democratic states..red and blue.
You'll find all sorts of correlations that can be misleading. Much more likely is that socioeconomic factors are at play in both.
The reason for the life expectancy not going up so much in the United States as in other developed countries is obesity. We have more fake food, sugar, plant based and going sedentary than before. We all have the means to increase our life expectancy, in being happy and optimistic, having more animal food to eat, being in pleasure to do thIngs and abstaining from smoking and alcohol. I do wish to live to be 120, in being able to do so much. I'm 32 right now. And I'm Hispanic, which is with a higher life expectancy than the United States national average.
for the graph at 6:15 project.wnyc.org/median-income-nation/#4/35.53/-86.66 to see average household income from 2008-2012. the years on the two maps don't match but it's a pretty map to look at.
The example about saving one infants life is good. I cant fucking believe I still hear people say that people only lived to their thirties in the middle ages because "life expectancy, that means how long you live, duh!"
Great video, as always.
Important video, thanks for making!
great job dude needed this thank you
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Far fewer people don't finish high school today than in decades past, so nowadays being a high school dropout is comparatively much worse and the only people who are high school dropouts are very poor. It could be that the reason high school dropout life expectancy go worse is because many people got more educated and left that data group.
Wait, but do we know why it's dropping? Or are there at least any clues to some of the different possibilities?
What do you guys use for graphs? Adobe illustrator?
It's nice to see some numbers for this well known trend.
Aren’t the two charts at 4:11 and 4:30 more related to available healthcare…
I mean is it really income or is it more likely access to better healthcare, including what medication is covered &/or affordable as well as access to healthy food options/nutritional knowledge, or in some cases just access to healthcare in general!
That's likely a big factor, but higher wages tend to correlate with office work, which is less risky and harmful to the body. There are many factors that correlate with having more money including access to better food, safer neighborhoods, etc..
Many of the present-day discussions can be distilled to "more money is better than less."
dose this take in to the fact that if I expect to live to 90 at 65 but when I am 75 it is now 100, what effect dose that have
If more of the increase in life expectancy (at least on the United States) has been due to a decrease in early deaths than to an increase in old age survival, wouldn't that mean the "inequality" in lifespans has been falling?
Lol, unexpected death through accidents or murder must be included in factors affecting life expectancy.
Very informative. Thank you.
Great video as always! However, I was a little disappointed by "I'm willing to bet" for a fact that should be as easily looked up as any other cited on the channel that coined the phrase "To the research!" Although I don't doubt the veracity of this claim, I think it lacks the due-dilligence I've come to expect from your channel. I hope that in the future you'll continue to approach your channel with the scientific rigor that you've used in the past. Thanks, and keep up the good work!
when calculating life expectancy they should only count people if they die of age
What can I do to make my life as short as possible? Besides suicide, smoking, drugs, etc
Going out with me...
That's truly shocking. As a white female who was in some of those red-orange areas, it really makes me think.
Would you rather fifty 65 year olds lived one more year or a baby was saved? I dunno... I think I'd pick the baby tbh...
That's not the point. The point is that people use the claim of life expectancy to mean that we're all living longer, when the increase is not nearly as pronounced as you would think. The big thing *is* that the babies are the ones being saved, and that's leading to a misconception.
***** The video seemed to (strongly!) imply that the 50 years given to a single baby was not as valuable as the 1 year given to 50. I'm just asking the question ... what do other people think is more valuable (ie chosen in a binary choice). You say "That's not the point" but there was no "point" in my comment, just a question. You seem to have projected a point on to it! :)
Tom Murphy
1.) No, he literally flat out said they were equal. 1:54 "Saving 1 infant for 50 years *is the same* as saving 50 adults for 1 year."
2.) No, I made an inference based on your assertion of picking the baby to live over 50 people living an extra year.
Your scenario is completely irrelevant to the point of the example.
it's about diet and lifestyle choices
Am I right in thinking that the life expectancy of a particular demographic in a particular time and place more precisely describes the mean lifespan of a hypothetical population that is subjected, throughout its life, to the same death rate as members of that demographic at that age were in that place at that time?
For instance, if we were to say "the male life expectancy in Gloucestershire in 1990", we would mean the mean lifespan of a hypothetical cohort that, at in there first year of life had the same survival rate as boys in there first year of life in Gloucestershire in 1990 did, and who, at age 25, had the same mortality rate as 25 year old men in Gloucestershire, in 1990 did, and who, at age 80, had the same mortality rate as 80 year old men in Gloucestershire in 1990 did.
My question to anyone...why does a person WANT to live beyond ( ex. 80 yrs.). SERIOUSLY...even if you have family that certainly do not mean that said family members are going to help you.
When education serves to warn off individuals from being duped by alternative medicine, it probably does help them live longer.
I love this channel!
Well that just changed my world
5 weeks, i have some really mean debts.
It is what it is we all got to die so live it to your best #yolo
Yup, I totally know that video you're talking about, but for the sake of my.. friend.. anyone got a link?
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life expectancy is dropping in the poorer states? ouch
every poilitcal words and schems the life span itself a biggest question and how for reality we understand
All SS covered workers was a line still higher than Germany and the UK, countries we tend to "look up to" for healthcare.
Obviously you want to be the best in measures like those but we aren't completely horrible
I think there was one group 0-25th percentile that wasn't even on the list though
I nearly fainted bcs of his circles of the changing places
Sorry Dr. Carroll, but your analysis of why life expectancies seem to be going down for those who haven't completed high school was shallow. In 1990, the people who were dying (and setting that life expectancy) would have been in high school around 1930, when the graduation rate was
I’m supposed to die on June 28, 2079 at the age of 82 years, 2 months old according to a death clock I did a few years back but who knows......
Only God knows
It would be interesting to see the percentage of deaths due to domestic violence in the areas that have a decreasing life expectancy for women. Given that DV is linked to low SES and all.
How long until the singularity? When science defeats death and people can live forever.
...forever, so far so good.
I've been schooled by this video, +1year, :D if i keep watching these I'll live to 300 easy.
really well said!!
Have you seen that new Ted Talk about adverse childhood experience being bad for health? I think it may be related because single parents in black communities have increased over time, and black families (now, I'm not sure about the past) are more likely to include "whoopings".
What I'm saying is it might not be lack of access to healthcare that causes this, at least not entirely.
Did you forget to include some citations?
I'm thumb down 42.
Interesting. While the extrapolation of big data does provide new understandings, cautious reasoning must prevail required. The old chestnut still holds some truth: figures can lie, liars can figure.
really good video
genetics. is what I believe and noticed in my 67 1/2 years.
are you still alive
Speaking of education being a proxy for socioeconomic status, isn't "socioeconomic status" just a fancy proxy for income? Occupation and education are factored into SES, but coincidentally the high SES occupations are nearly all high paying and the low SES occupations are nearly all low paying? Education also correlates to income. Given that, isn't the "socio" part of SES is just justification for income disparities? Can we just call it "economic status" and quit kidding ourselves?
I think the point is that you can have a high level of education, yet not have much income due to working in the public sector, or for whatever reason. You would still have a high SES even with a low income.
M-muh class warfare, muh SOCIALISM
Um, I don't know what you're getting at, but it doesn't sound like an argument as much as a juvenile snarky remark. Seriously, though, what's with this "class warfare" slogan being thrown around? If anything, the rich are winning any "war" between classes.
Diana Peña
It's a jab toward people who think class warfare isn't always happening, and that socialism is going to rip America to shreds. They use those words as an excuse to treat the poor like trash.
That is what i'm getting at.
I just wanna know how long will i suffer
"I'm willing to bet those happen to be some of the poorest areas of the country." Also some of the most obese.
+Aviel Menter He said in the video that "poverty is associated with almost every bad health outcome you can imagine"
This is why dr aaron is pediatrician
Most of what you say is fine but the first comment you make is that we should care more about saving older people than babies, if that's your opinion thats fine, but i don't agree. I still think saving a whole life of a singel person is worth as much as saving a singel year for some old people.
I don't think that's what he's trying to convey at all. Of course it's wonderful that fewer babies are dying. But we can't use those numbers (life expectancy at birth) to justify how well our healthcare works for adult patients because that data is so heavily influenced by the lives of young children. He's just justifying why we need to switch to a different metric if we want to discuss _adult_ health care accurately.
The tone in this script seems to suggest life expectancy at 65 is a more informative measure or what we're "really" interested in, but doesn't explain why. Sure, disaggregating mortality by age provides more information, but why the emphasis on 'at 65' when we're at least as interested in outcomes for children? You'd need to say more to really argue that the 'at birth' measure is misleading in some way.
2:25 in particular makes it sound like all we're interested in when we talk about life expectancy is the lifespan of older people, rather than the total number of years lived.
I kind of agree about the tone, but, if you want to talk about infant deaths, infant mortality rates is a better metric than "life expectancy at birth." And, when most people talk about "life expectancy" they usually mean "how long will I live" and they usually cite the "life expectancy at birth" number, which isn't appropriate for an adult to use.
Well, take the common tale that people in the middle ages only lived to be about 30. That's life expectancy at birth; If a person made it to about 21 years old, they could expect to live to about 64 years old, something many people only imagine royalty doing at that time in history.
just_the_comments I'm not sure that's what most people mean, but it's possible. My concern was the implication that the Vlogbrothers video in question was using a misleading metric. If we're comparing the overall welfare of subgroups, I see no reason why "at 65" is a more informative measure. Excluding differences in infant mortality would have been a strange choice on John's part.
AngelValis I _totally_ agree that we should pay attention to how life expectancy scales with age. In fact Healthcare Triage, we'd love to see a continuous plot of "Life expectancy at X" if you have one.
Even so, the whole Scenario A/B setup seemed to conclude that B was more important or relevant.
Elliott Collins Yeah, I think he's focusing on "at 65" partly because the blog posts this video is bassed on were addressing social security policy.
This should be the first half of two videos, with a video like this it should be important to also distinguish between the two races the causes of the difference in life expectancy, such as dietary habits, exercise habits, living location (city vs. suburb), and access to medical care, etc. I think this video is somewhat misleading as the only variables here are race and socio-economic status. You need to go beyond that.
Holy cow balance the volume of your intro and outro videos to match your talking
I want to die from being hit by a flying car driven by a robot powered by nuclear fusion.
I want to live to the year 2100
I'm tired of this kind of data for americans. I want to see some for Europeans. How does the EU map of life expectancy change look like? I'd like to think I'd be pleasantly surprised to see Eastern Europe doing surprisingly well, or at least increasingly better... but odds are my country would look like a big red blob on the map....