I think doing the deck intros right after the first turn works really well. It can get awkward when 3 turns go by and no one has any plays made or the players do the intro out of order.
I got a good laugh at all the people commenting early about the first half of the video, clearly not prepared for how the second half of the video goes. This one's a classic episode, it's got that "my friend built a new deck with an overpowered commander and is ready to try it out for the first time" vibe.
It's very Cory, but mad respect, why I love Cory, they could tell immediately this is messed up. Didn't play it too toxic and the table kinda together, as long time and competitive players, kinda made it a fascinating conversation and analysis of powerful cards. It was kinda neat seeing the table just figure it out and realize together.
This episode was great, showcased 2 of the most busted commanders from the set and it was so much more about the personal interactions, judging by the comments that's a rare sentiment but honestly what a blast, keep doing what you're doing😊
I got a foil Phlage at the prerelease. Went all colours with big common/uncommon eldrazi. 4-0-1 got a second place because of the last draw. Love the set! 🎉
Ashling in a way is more annoyong because you have to sit and wait to see if they actually have it. Nadu's combo is at least more definitive. I hope that there is an opportunity for Jeremy or Steven to play their decks from today again because I would have enjoyed seeing what their decks can do.
The real issue for Nadu is for players that want to play it sort of "fair", auras or non zero equips etc. Because Nadu will just be hard ingrained into everyones mind as kill on sight regardless on whether you're running shenanigans or not...
corey takes first but everyone else takes last. Corey just loses a point for killing everyone in one turn so he net 3 points and everyone else gets 1 for last. BUT Corey got firstblood so he got 4 in total.
@@hicklw01 cedh version also has to face way more removal and a metagame that will adapt. corey had some insane flips the first game too, the variance on flips is high
YEah hopefully nadu gets banned, takes the simic value engine to just completly bonkers, crazy how this card got made, and there like should we limit the ability: yeah lets do just 2 times a turn, ohh yeah 2 times a turn shouldn't be too bad, "per creature" oohhhh okay well how about we have the lands enter tapped, Noooo untapped each time. Well how about we do it so its only spells, no literally anything will trigger it, okay soooooo we should make it like a 1/1 so it dies easily, nooo it is a 3/4 with flying,,, okay we should make it expensive to cast, nooo it is 3 mana so that you can get it out before threats of counters could possible slow it down.. gotcha, making a card that will get banned.
Two years ago Justin Parnell left for a family emergency, and he never returned. Now Corey sits in his chair playing cEDH against Mono Red Storm, Boros Burn, and Esper Enchantress. Corey is the problem, and I miss when this series was fun.
If they actually watch the video with the half point they would realize that Mr. Green should have a full point because Jeremy never got is penalty card for being the first to 5 lands
You guys need to get someone that their sole job is to make sure all the decks are balanced to each other. This overtuned Corey show is getting boring. Either that or bring back Justin plz. Make Commander VS great again.
I think everyone here is missing the point, everyone playing here KNEW what they were in for with a Nadu at the table. This video is a necessary evil to act as the proof for the ban/restriction of this commander as even Corey has said he wants to happen. One game like this when the last 50 haven’t been is fine, games like these need to exist and need to be on camera to support discussions on power balance
There are so many cards and commanders out there that are soft banned by playgroups, and this will be one of them. There's absolutely no reason to ban this card,just like there's no reason to ban kinnan, or thrasios, or ur miirym, etc.. It does speak to the necessity of rule 0 discussions in edh pods though.
@@BrassWhole to be clear, I also don’t agree with banning the card, but my post is for the people commenting they aren’t happy with these games and that this wasn’t a good episode, this episode was good, and is necessary
Nice. Would love to see more high power games where the combos come out. I get it can be rough watching it as a player, but as a viewer of the game I like seeing players try to find the line to the win.
Fun episode! To answer Corey's question, in my opinion, Corey's deck was more ignoring just based on the counter spell blocking Steven Generous Gifting his equipment
It's probably been this way since MH2, but this further proves that Modern Horizons should have been a set where it reprinted cards from Legacy and Commander to make them legal in Modern as well some desirable reprints from Modern to lower prices. It's very clear that giving Wizards the ability to purposefully make obscenely powerful cards results in nothing good. This was a fine episode, but yeah...
It's not just a Lightning Bolt on a stick Stephen Green it's a Lightning Helix on a stick still a very powerful burn spell in it's own right with Phlage that is. Also: They kind of need to errata Nadu IMMEDIATELY, THAT'S not cool Corey, come on turn 4 draw your entire deck, also please make it so no one can ever use Nadu as a commander ever again on the show, that first game was boring as hell
They don't errata cards for power level. That's not how that works. But yes, Nadu is not a healthy card to have in the format. I kind of hope that Nadu will prompt a BnR update for commander. If he gets banned, they might have the good sense to send field of the dead with him. And if they don't, they might free griselbrand, considering Nadu does what griselbrand does but for no life, a third the mana, and you get all your lands into play.
Man, who could've seen Nadu win. Shocker. I really hate the power creep of MH3. Edit: This video was not it... 2 people just win turn 4. This was said a million times, but y'all need a group discussion on power levels.
just started the video and i already know that Corey's stupid bird Nadu is most likely gonna win. BUT I really like Jeremy's commander, you can go equipment or +1/+1 counters themed for her, and I love commanders that have several different directions you can take it. SOOOOooooooo I hope Jeremy wins!
7 minutes in and I’m assuming the video is gonna have 2 games or a board wipe is about to happen considering Corey brought a legit cedh deck that’s gonna go infinite on turn 4
Yeah that card 100% needs a ban with how easy it is to go infinite, it’s harder to not go infinite with him. It’s harder to go infinite with paradox engine than it is with nadu
This episode was just boring to watch. Watching 1 person play a game while 3 others twiddle their thumbs not once but twice for 40mins. Spoiler Corey wins with in the 1st 15mins short cutted. While Jon took 25mins to figure out if he could win
For a brief moment, I thought they were gonna do Brena’s ability correctly by realizing that Jon could still draw if he attacked Corey because he did in fact have more life that Jeremy, but….nope. Brenna HAS to be one of the most misplayed effects in Commander. lol
"If that opponent has more life than another of YOUR opponents" As it turns out, Jeremy as the Breena player does not count himself as his own opponent. They definitely played that correctly.
Decklists: articles.starcitygames.com/magic-the-gathering/commander-vs-395-legends-of-mtgs-modern-horizons-3/
It feels like Jeremy and Stephen accidently entered the arena hell queue,
Fun fact: Jeremy cast 4 spells this entire episode
Is anyone shocked by his poor deckbuilding and piloting anymore? It's a 3 player game with sparky piloting a starter deck.
Ok, in all fairness, i commented before watching. My comment stands for most other videos but this video is ridiculous.
As tradition.
I miss Justin :( @@bdawg8877
I think doing the deck intros right after the first turn works really well.
It can get awkward when 3 turns go by and no one has any plays made or the players do the intro out of order.
Steven is looking good with the new shave. Bald gang unite!
Agreed. Baldy beard suits him.
Corey drew finale of devastation and then seconds later says I wish I could have haste
I was hoping someone caught it other than me
Poor Jeremy and Steven brought twigs to a gun fight.
Nah, they brought a twig to a nuclear bomb fight.
Imaginary twigs
How is Nadu not "land enters tapped"? That's just... well, gross feels like an understatement
Nadu had so many ways to nerf it to a reasonable card, and WotC did none of them.
I never thought that there would never be a more toxic Simic Commander than Kinnan, but here we are. #alwayskillthebirdman
Kinnan is still better ig, just it's possible to make a level 6 deck with kinnan if you just wanna have fun while Nadu is just not fun
I got a good laugh at all the people commenting early about the first half of the video, clearly not prepared for how the second half of the video goes. This one's a classic episode, it's got that "my friend built a new deck with an overpowered commander and is ready to try it out for the first time" vibe.
Thats EXACTLY the vibe the episode had! lmao
Fun episode with great banter. It would be nice to see Stephen and Jeremy's decks again though.
They definitely should do a fallen soldiers episode where players are only allowed to bring decks that lost that would be good
Corey should have put the crop rotation in the graveyard, but he scryed it to the bottom, not that it mattered....
Can we see Stephen and Jeremy's decks again?
Please! I just want to see the other decks do things.
Again? That implies we got to see it already
Players in this video didn't expect to be playing Yu-GI-Oh with those 4 turn wins.
Urabrask says deal 1 damage to target opponent
God it's gonna be a good episode if Corey is making Jon facepalm 1 minute in. Haha
i love how everybody just instantly gave up on keeping track of nadu and that playmate just became a giant pile of nonesense
It's very Cory, but mad respect, why I love Cory, they could tell immediately this is messed up. Didn't play it too toxic and the table kinda together, as long time and competitive players, kinda made it a fascinating conversation and analysis of powerful cards. It was kinda neat seeing the table just figure it out and realize together.
Putting Nadu in my Mothman deck... Plussing everytime someone mill nonland sounds sick.
Only reasonable use of nadu lmao
Whenever someone says to just run more removal, I'll be sure to link them this video lmao
Jonathan!! NO!! 😂 you naughty boys...says me who did pretty much the same thing in a game last night 🤫
"But First... Rummage..." needs to be a shirt
Corey as he puts Finale of Devastation into his hand “I don’t have any way to give them all haste”
is it any surprise that corey has no idea how to play the game or any idea what any of his own cards do. dude is oblivious as hell
8:08 he scried instead of surveiled that crop rotation with hedge maze lol
That was not the most enjoyable thing to watch. Thanks for the episode guys maybe next weeks will be worth the wait.
A Sky Captain reference!!! In 2024!!! God im old lol
I called it. That picture from facebook was Stephen plopping a pile of counters on Corey's board to shortcut the win. Lol
That's happened as expected 😅
That nadu is gonna be a problem.
It depends.
Nadu is clearly a CEDH commander. If it stays in CEDH, it's fine. If people keep playing it in casual tables, it will get banned.
8 min in. Surveil puts it in the Graveyard, not bottom of the deck. 😂
Ah. 12 min in and the game is over... neat
Surveil does go to GY
@@UmoLoco Corey didn't put it into grave is what he's saying
Ironically pointless call out 😂
This episode was great, showcased 2 of the most busted commanders from the set and it was so much more about the personal interactions, judging by the comments that's a rare sentiment but honestly what a blast, keep doing what you're doing😊
Why were they all taking damage for Urabrask? Urabrask states target opponent, so he could only ping one person at a time not all at once, right?
Good game guys
I got a foil Phlage at the prerelease. Went all colours with big common/uncommon eldrazi. 4-0-1 got a second place because of the last draw. Love the set! 🎉
Hilarious episode. Nice change of pace every once in awhile
Leadfoot Boots
2 Generic, Artifact - Equipment
1 generic to equip
Equipped creature has Hexproof and Trample
Ashling in a way is more annoyong because you have to sit and wait to see if they actually have it. Nadu's combo is at least more definitive. I hope that there is an opportunity for Jeremy or Steven to play their decks from today again because I would have enjoyed seeing what their decks can do.
New rule idea, -10 for infinite combos
It's already included in the "kill everyone on the same turn" rule, generally.
Also neither of these were infinite. Just large. There's a chance for both (albeit a small one) to whiff mid combo.
@@AMerexican787I was about to say. They could fizzle and also a board wipe technically stopped the first one.
Nadu cEDH is gonna be sweet.
Jeremy and Stephen were present.
Decklists?
The real issue for Nadu is for players that want to play it sort of "fair", auras or non zero equips etc. Because Nadu will just be hard ingrained into everyones mind as kill on sight regardless on whether you're running shenanigans or not...
even equip 1: get a land and do it again is unfair.
How does point work when they all die at once? Also how many games in a season?
corey takes first but everyone else takes last. Corey just loses a point for killing everyone in one turn so he net 3 points and everyone else gets 1 for last. BUT Corey got firstblood so he got 4 in total.
The fact that the simic commander doesn't say "non token creatures you control" is what makes it ridiculous
Corey playing the literal cedh got me to click. Can't wait to see the carnage
That's not Cedh, just stronger than there decks.
@abstractsymmetricity that's the worst part. It was gross and not even CEDH. Imagine with fast mana and 0 cost counters. It would be over turn 1-2.
@@hicklw01 cedh version also has to face way more removal and a metagame that will adapt. corey had some insane flips the first game too, the variance on flips is high
YEah hopefully nadu gets banned, takes the simic value engine to just completly bonkers, crazy how this card got made, and there like should we limit the ability: yeah lets do just 2 times a turn, ohh yeah 2 times a turn shouldn't be too bad, "per creature" oohhhh okay well how about we have the lands enter tapped, Noooo untapped each time. Well how about we do it so its only spells, no literally anything will trigger it, okay soooooo we should make it like a 1/1 so it dies easily, nooo it is a 3/4 with flying,,, okay we should make it expensive to cast, nooo it is 3 mana so that you can get it out before threats of counters could possible slow it down.. gotcha, making a card that will get banned.
John just drawing his entire deck turn 4 was much more hilarious than that Nadu Stuff Corey did.
Two years ago Justin Parnell left for a family emergency, and he never returned. Now Corey sits in his chair playing cEDH against Mono Red Storm, Boros Burn, and Esper Enchantress. Corey is the problem, and I miss when this series was fun.
Minor point, but Urabrask's front half only deals damage to one opponent, not each.
Scute swarm is the real problem
If they actually watch the video with the half point they would realize that Mr. Green should have a full point because Jeremy never got is penalty card for being the first to 5 lands
That was weeks ago.
You guys need to get someone that their sole job is to make sure all the decks are balanced to each other. This overtuned Corey show is getting boring. Either that or bring back Justin plz. Make Commander VS great again.
I think everyone here is missing the point, everyone playing here KNEW what they were in for with a Nadu at the table. This video is a necessary evil to act as the proof for the ban/restriction of this commander as even Corey has said he wants to happen.
One game like this when the last 50 haven’t been is fine, games like these need to exist and need to be on camera to support discussions on power balance
There are so many cards and commanders out there that are soft banned by playgroups, and this will be one of them. There's absolutely no reason to ban this card,just like there's no reason to ban kinnan, or thrasios, or ur miirym, etc..
It does speak to the necessity of rule 0 discussions in edh pods though.
@@BrassWhole to be clear, I also don’t agree with banning the card, but my post is for the people commenting they aren’t happy with these games and that this wasn’t a good episode, this episode was good, and is necessary
I wanna see that nadu list
This show has to be in Michigan. The trim of the beards are the giveaway. I dont live there now, but I grew up in Livonia
Nice. Would love to see more high power games where the combos come out. I get it can be rough watching it as a player, but as a viewer of the game I like seeing players try to find the line to the win.
We shouldn't do this more often....
Guys who gave him the cedh deck....
Nice educational video on why you should not bring these two decks to a friendly night of magic with friends.
Fun episode! To answer Corey's question, in my opinion, Corey's deck was more ignoring just based on the counter spell blocking Steven Generous Gifting his equipment
It's probably been this way since MH2, but this further proves that Modern Horizons should have been a set where it reprinted cards from Legacy and Commander to make them legal in Modern as well some desirable reprints from Modern to lower prices. It's very clear that giving Wizards the ability to purposefully make obscenely powerful cards results in nothing good. This was a fine episode, but yeah...
With mh3 here can we please bring back vs live modern!
Corey no, why Corey, he must be tamed...but look at that smile on his face, how can you be mad at him
Decklist pls
Wait how does Nadu trigger so much it says twice each turn not for each creature..
It gives the ability to each creature, so they each have that text more or less.
@alexdarigan6174 confused me so much all I kept seeing was this ability triggers twice each turn
Bouncing nadu resets it too
ok watching this always always....always kill the Nadu and Ashling decks first and personally im with corey nadu might be bannable in commander
Also, what happened to avoiding infinite combos, it seems that is all Corey plays
It's not infinite. But it is a hell of a powerful commander. And I've seen it fizzle in plenty of Modern games already.
Great design wotc
Stephen's commander in a Mardu deck with Mortuary and Bolas Citadel goes infinite.
Cool combo
Games like this is why I haven't played magic in a year.
Spoilers
Half Way through the episode, and onto game 2 and its not a cEDH episode.
Corey definitely built a 7 deck
I want an Ashling Planeswalker or some other flamekin pw
It's not just a Lightning Bolt on a stick Stephen Green it's a Lightning Helix on a stick still a very powerful burn spell in it's own right with Phlage that is.
Also: They kind of need to errata Nadu IMMEDIATELY, THAT'S not cool Corey, come on turn 4 draw your entire deck, also please make it so no one can ever use Nadu as a commander ever again on the show, that first game was boring as hell
I think it’s good Corey showed what Nadu is capable of. The card deserves a ban
@@skykur Needs either a ban or a heavy errata to make it for Non-Token Creatures only or both
@@RoseGoldenPetal no need for errata. Just a ban. WotC should be taught their mistakes
They don't errata cards for power level. That's not how that works. But yes, Nadu is not a healthy card to have in the format.
I kind of hope that Nadu will prompt a BnR update for commander. If he gets banned, they might have the good sense to send field of the dead with him. And if they don't, they might free griselbrand, considering Nadu does what griselbrand does but for no life, a third the mana, and you get all your lands into play.
Im glad everyone can laugh about the busted cards... but lets not do this again. This was painful to watch
He showed the big x spell at like 15:40 that he can cast to give his creatures +X/+X and I thought haste? Finale of Devastation.
Why didnt Nadu trigger when it was targeted by Generous Gift? But then did when dryad was targeted immediately after?
Because it was Shuko (the equipment) that was targeted by Generous Gift, not Nadu
Man, who could've seen Nadu win. Shocker. I really hate the power creep of MH3.
Edit: This video was not it... 2 people just win turn 4. This was said a million times, but y'all need a group discussion on power levels.
just started the video and i already know that Corey's stupid bird Nadu is most likely gonna win. BUT I really like Jeremy's commander, you can go equipment or +1/+1 counters themed for her, and I love commanders that have several different directions you can take it. SOOOOooooooo I hope Jeremy wins!
hello, its me again, wasn't expecting Nadu to win that quickly.
@@sketchopotamus8449 to be fair this is one of the most insane commanders they have printed in quite some time
@@dragondest4 that's exactly how I knew it would win, nothing against corey. That card is just insane
*sigh* Every episode I miss Justin more…
Stop watching new episodes and go re-watch old ones. Simple fix!
Corey surveiling to the bottom of the library is a bit illegal. Shame!
Love the show but this one is a bit boring boys. Really didn't enjoy seeing 2 players literally do nothing
These games were Hilarious....so cEDH again when? tell am Death made you do it :D
After watching every single episodes of cmd vs; this is the first episode (and i hope the last one) that I skip… Nadu is just not fun to watch… 👎
This is an excellent case study as to the reason I hate Scute Swarm
Am I missing something? Corey’s commander should only trigger twice a turn?
Each creature has the ability to trigger that affect twice a turn, including token creatures that come in due to landfall.
It gives creatures he controls the effect. So each creature only triggers twice.
@@lukeroden3593 I indeed did miss something. Someone at magic losing their job for that wording.
Haven't finished the episode but judging by the commander choices, this is probably gonna be a landslide
Whoever designed that bird did a really bad job. As did all the other designers at WotC who approved the idea...
Am ok with it sick of once each turn stupid nerfs that make no sense
Steven looking handsome af
7 minutes in and I’m assuming the video is gonna have 2 games or a board wipe is about to happen considering Corey brought a legit cedh deck that’s gonna go infinite on turn 4
Yeah that card 100% needs a ban with how easy it is to go infinite, it’s harder to not go infinite with him. It’s harder to go infinite with paradox engine than it is with nadu
Game 2 is looking almost as exciting
He did not bring a Cedh deck.
@@brendan8114ok no
@@brendan8114infinite is how you play commander
Corey could have activated Nadu on everyone's turn with shuko right? Not that it mattered much in the first game lol
Can only equip as a sorcery
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Hey look the toxic commanders were toxic and only 1 player did anything any game
Never again
Waste of an episode...
This episode was just boring to watch. Watching 1 person play a game while 3 others twiddle their thumbs not once but twice for 40mins. Spoiler Corey wins with in the 1st 15mins short cutted. While Jon took 25mins to figure out if he could win
Nadu is worse, cause Corey was playing it.
Pure garbage.
For a brief moment, I thought they were gonna do Brena’s ability correctly by realizing that Jon could still draw if he attacked Corey because he did in fact have more life that Jeremy, but….nope. Brenna HAS to be one of the most misplayed effects in Commander. lol
"If that opponent has more life than another of YOUR opponents"
As it turns out, Jeremy as the Breena player does not count himself as his own opponent. They definitely played that correctly.
@fatalbert357 damn, dude just made himself an example of what he was complaining about
I felt physically ill watching that nonsense. Ban Nadu or the pieces that he abuses.