QUICK & NIMBLE Medieval Longsword SABRE: Like a European KATANA?
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- A medieval Hungarian or Venetian longsword sabre, examined by Matt Easton at Olympia Auctions: www.olympiaauc...
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Early 16th century blade, 500 years old, and Matt's going "look how bendy it is!".
He's a braver man than I am, Gunga Din!
This level of excitement can be faked, but it'd be really hard to do. Matt loves this one. He wishes he could afford to just have it.
Probably why the video came out after the auction. 😀
Wait a minute, I actually built one of those in Mount & Blade bannerlord
Well they found it. Calradia confirmed
I forget weapon smithing is a mechanic in Mount & Blade. Thats awesome.
Me too. With the eagle pommel. Was my money printer
Dalmatians in Calradia
Nice subject, and happy to have one of like this made by a czech smith Jiri Krondak.
How do you find it's performance?
There’s something about genius ancient swords that just gets my heart rate going 😊
What a unique and exquisite long-saber.
I can only imagine how light and nimble it must feel in handling.
I hope someone reproduces this sword exactly, with the same distal taper.
This sword was actually originally the side arm of a mutant that was 12 feet tall and had 10 fingers on each hand. This person died trying to get the last chip out of the pringles can. It's commonly mistaken for folklore.
Pringles related deaths are sadly under-reported nowadays
Even some early Avar sabers apparently were used both two-handed and one-handed. If you consider this and those early examples a saber then I would say the tachi and katana are sabers in their own right. I mean as far as we can tell both were used one-handed on horseback anyway. They might be a bit heavy but some tachi have small enough hilts to enable easy one-handed use and sometimes you want something a bit heavier and longer when you are on horseback. Then if you fight on foot you can switch to two hands if you need more leverage or nimbleness in the hand. I recommend checking out Russ Mitchell's lecture on sabers before the Napoleonic period if anyone reading this is curious to learn a bit more.
This scream of croatian mercenary light cavalry, such a gorgeous piece.
Call it a long-sabre, from symmetry with the longsword term. If one wants, call it a schiavonesca long-sabre to qualify its Dalmatian/Venetian style aesthetic. Or a Hungarian long-sabre if that's its provenance (or if one wants to emphasise the yelman on the blade).
As an added comment: it was sold for £2,200. If you take into account the 35% or so extra fees (people can check the exact numbers for themselves) it still gives a relatively affordable price for a quite rare piece. It lacks a grip and people cannot just swing it around, but makers of swords can buy this or similar pieces and offer reproductions. So there's no excuse for sword makers not to use real pieces as a basis for their reproductions, and move away from offering steel clubs as swords (there are a few makers like this; they know who they are).
P.S. And I say a big NO on the katana comparison as well.
Don't underestimate the Byzantine influence on Venice. They had curved swords earlier than most people think, and imperial technology and fashions made their way through the trade routes.
In 955 , exactly 1000 years, before current german Bundeswehr was founded, near Augsburg there was the famous Lechfeld ( fields near river Lech) battle . For the first time in history under King Otto l an army consisting of levies from all German tribes appeared on battlefield. As far as i know, this was first Battle, in which german fighters faced ( hungerian) enemies with curved swords.
@@brittakriep2938 Since Germans had wars with Hungarians (and earlier Avars) long before the battle of Lechfeld, it was certainly not the first time Germans encountered enemies armed with sabers.
@@user-yy5xs6xj7r : Excuse me, Battle on the Lechfeld was last, not first battle in this conflict.
I would say romans were influced by the Turks and their swords
@@afd1040 no. The byzantines had centuries of contact with steppe peoples around the black sea long before the Turks started migrating west.
That blade is so beautiful! Great video.
In the Chronicon Pictum, which dates from Hungary in the 1360s, many two-handed sabers are depicted, but I don't remember seeing a real one, even if this is from a later period.
From Russia over Poland , Hungary to Croatia there can be found weapons and armour, which show both european and what we germans call oriental influence. ( In german language Orient means Northern Africa, former Ottoman Empire, Persia, Afghanistan, Northern India, Kassakstan, Turkmenistan, Tadschikistan). The cuirassier helmets of second german Empire , compare them to mid/ late 17th century european helmets. This lighter, visorless helmet was in 17th century HRE called Zischägge or oriental Sturmhaube. ( The Moiron was in HRE called, Spanische Sturmhaube '.
it is a dream of mine to see an actual longsword sabre and now that dream is fulfilled!
The cross guard is exactly like the guard of the sword staff images!
As a croat myself, nice to see something like this
In late 15/ early 16th century arms and armour of russian, polish, hungerian or croatian Sho3w a mixed european/oriental influence.
@@brittakriep2938 Its eastern European, it was always bit oriental looking to the west, after all we are next to both west euors and orient, so we find best of both worlds, heavy armor, horse bows, curved swords :P
This was a great episode, what an amazing sword i could only imagine one made for a prince all gilded and shining, absolutely beautiful and the minds eye can easily spy the fluid motions of its deadly cuts. Exquisite!
Damn I just love these longsabers, so elegant.
In the movie, Beastmaster, 1982. there is a similar sword design.
Also fits the description of the main character's sword in the Wheel of Time fantasy book series.
Quite similar and it did bring that movie sword to mind, but I'd say the Beastmaster sword was more of a kriegsmesser, with a clip point falchion style blade.
Great sword, Are you going to have a replica made?
I am tempted!
@@scholagladiatoria Please do!
@@scholagladiatoriaI'd buy one
Then you can show us how to fight with it as it is clearly different from a straight sword.
@@smilejos6715 I have a theory that it might be used similarly to the two handed swiss sabre
One of the best openings to a Matt Easton video.
Almost looks like Rand al'Thor's sword from the Wheel of Time. (Cover art on the books. I've never watched the show)
Yes. It fits the book description. In the show they just made it a katana.
@@Dimetropteryx Matt should check the blade for the heron mark 🤣
@@michaelshelton5488 😆
I have a replica of this type of sword based on hungarian finds. A lot of them have slightly curved hilts, which is a cool feature.
This makes me think of a Chinese sword a Pi Gua Chuan teacher showed me. It has a number of names including the Miao Dao. It was carried as an infantry weapon roughly equivalent to a longsword. Two handed, relatively light, single edged, usable point. Not a stereotypical Chinese saber. Not a standard jian. A very interesting and versatile weapon.
A left handed saber longsword, no less. I am pretty sure that that is the first authentic antique s-guard I have seen curving backwards. Of the hundreds of s-guards I have seen, all, or almost all have the front quillion curving to the inside line when held in the right hand, with the rear quillion curving to the outside line. Of course, there are those great Scandinavian longswords where both quillons curve to the outside line.
Fantastic weapon and presentation! Thanks Matt!
With the direction in which the quillons are curved, I think it’s possible it was actually made for someone who was left-handed. Most S-shaped guards that I’ve seen curve toward the inside line on the true edge’s side to protect the fingers, and toward the outside on the false side to protect the wrist. That’s what it looks like to me at least.
I didn't think this would be a real weapon, but some kind of dream-weapon Matt thought up.
The parent of the swiss saber?
Probably not exactly, but they might be somewhat related in a more complex way. The Swiss ones have rather different hilts, but the blade cross-sections are somewhat different also.
Matt thank you so much for this video! I have been fascinated by these swords (I've seen than called Schiavonesca) for years and had trouble finding proper proportions for them I made a loose replica myself from spare parts I bought at the sale but I had no idea if the proportions were right.
Man, I would LOVE to see a replica of this from, say, LK Chen (hint-hint).
That's so cool. I only knew of the swiss two-handed sabres. I didn't know Venetian/Hungarian mercenaries perhaps used two-handed long sabres. I'd be interested in whether any manuals or records survive for these. It probably is just like longsword, but I'd like to see how they fought with these.
I'm curious as to the relation (both historical and performance-wise) to the Swiss Saber.
If it's within your power, please do a reproduction collab with Windlass. I'd buy one in a heartbeat!
Gives me Vampire Hunter D vibes...needs to be a bit longer but still.
My god, that means those weird katana longswords in European art might have existed.
Cool sword. Thank you.
It's PERFECT
I'll take 2
I love those Schiavonesca swords, whether a curved or straight blade they are very good looking weapons.
Why dont we see these swords as often as longswords?
I'm speculating, but I would assume it might be because longswords were generally used both in unarmed duels and as side arms in battle where you would likely face opponents in plate armour. In unarmed duelling there wouldn't be much of a difference, but for armoured fighting the straight blade of the longsword lets you do techniques like half swording and mordhau which would be much harder to do on a curved blade without cutting yourself
Maybe there is only one.
What are the places we've looked at so far?
@@brettjohnson536half swording and mordhau are side considerations compared to thrusting performance. This long-saber is nowhere nearly as good for thrusting into gaps pf armpur and piercing through mail and fabric compared to a longsword.
If you are asking about modern media, then I think mostly because England, France and Germany have greater cultural influence overall than Venice, Dalmatia and Hungary.
I've thought this would be brilliant for a while.
Nice to see that it is real.
So this sword is a fusion with a bit of confusion. Got it. 😁
Schivonas are the prettiest swords.
they are still used in folklore
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This sabre is sometimes used in folklore processions, but its usually carried by one person, an elder
As a German let me assure that this is not a messer except for Crocodile Dundee.
Late XIV serbian cross guard and square pommel. On the other hand, the shape of the blade resembles a curved blade from the Roman-Byzantian cavalry army (Cavalry had two swords - one with a straight blade against mounted opponents and a curved one against infantry). Both types were depicted on the frescos in Srebia too.
Average weight? POB? (Just for know, and comparation...)
Hooray for more antiques!
I need a recreation of this
Interesting piece. Looks like solution to the famous Pippo Spano fresco riddle to me...
This makes me think of Mads Mikkelsen's sword from "King Arthur". Different hilt but a lot of similarity in the blade I think
Welp now we need a Tod video detailing how he makes one of these
love to see a working model of this
Future modern replicas for purchase please!!!
Thanks for sharing this video ⚔️
Sorry to pose such a bizzare question, but I have to know: is a falchion a type of saber? Because this kind of looks like if a falchion was also a saber.
What a pretty sword!
Pretty awesome personal weapon!
Great subject!
can you lengthen a tang intended for a 1 handed sword by forging it in to a longer and more tapered shape and pin it on to a 2 handed hilt giving it a full length tang instead of a partial 1?
Probably not.
Most tangs are already forged down about as far as they'll go.
And the process of heating a thin tang to welding heat will cause it to lose more material, and will de- temper the blade.
Theoretically, the blade could be tempered again, but being fully sharp already, it might crack along the edge.
Basically it would be just as easy to just make another one.
Mongolian Yuan Dynasty swords found in ruins in China are straight swords. 14th century paintings show Mongolians using straight swords. China and Southeast Asia imported katanas in the 10th century. Mongolia imported katanas in the 13th century.
The katana had not been developed as a blade style in the tenth century.
@@bretthess6376 Katana刀 is a general term for Japanese-style single-edged swords. Tachi太刀 is a subcategory of katana. Uchigatana打刀, which is commonly called katana, is also a subcategory of katana刀. An old uchigatana is the hishi zukuri uchigatana, which was made in 1124. China and Mongolia, which imported katana in the past, also write tachi as katana.
Ouyang Xiu (1007-1072), a politician of the Song Dynasty in China. "It is said that there is a famous sword that can cut even precious stones, but no one has confirmed it. However, a precious Katanawas recently discovered in Japan. A Vietnamese merchant paid a large sum to acquire it."
Mongolian scholar Zheng Si-xiao (1241-1318) "Japanese are brutal and not afraid of death. Even if ten Japanese people encounter 100 enemies, they will fight against them. If they don't win, they all fight until they die. If they do not die in the war, they will be killed by the king's hand when they return. Japanese women are also very temperamental, don't rape them. Katana is extremely sharp. "
@@bretthess6376 Katana is a general term for Japanese-style single-edged curved swords. Tachi is a subcategory of katana and is written as thick katana. Uchigatana, commonly called katana, is also a subcategory of katana and is written as strike katana. An old uchigatana is the hishi zukuri uchigatana, made in 1124.
China and Mongolia, which imported katanas in the past, also write tachi as katana.
It reminds me of a swiss saber.
4:05 Is that blade bent? Or is it so thin that it's sagging under it's own weight?
A beautiful sword.
1:10 I read "Paypal States" at first
Surprised you didn’t once mention the extremely similar Swiss Sabre (arguably, indistinguishable even, excepting the complex guards on most Swiss Sabres). Did the Swiss Sabre arise independently from these more eastern-influenced designs, concurrently, or are they just the same thing with a different name?
Wow, there is really nothing new under the sun.
Stendo 3 canal? Crazy!
Did Matt Easton win the bid on the 15th century German canon
So there is some historical basis for the Beastmaster type of sword.
They had curved swords, CURVED SWORDS
that's way more flex than I was expecting. I'm assuming this causes issues with cutting and makes thrusting almost a non-option.
so a longsabre
Could you safely Lazer clean the rust and dirt from the sword or is that destructive to the sword
Laser cleaning is fine, I have a video coming up about it. But this sword has already been cleaned somehow in its recent past, I guess with a chemical.
Find a partner who looks at you like Matt Easton looks at a medieval Hungarian or Venetian longsword sabre.
Is it sharp on both sides? I missed it if he mentioned that.
Is it related to swiss sabre?
Probably, yes. But not necessarily in a direct way. Not only do the Swiss ones have rather different hilts, but the blade cross-sections are somewhat different also.
@@scholagladiatoria Thanks for the answer!
Ian McCollum, you look a bit different.
All it a longsaber
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Looks like a European version of Ottoman kilij
Isn't it the thing they made in shadiversity, when they took a katana blade and changed the hilt?
Only sold for $2200
So thin and a tripple fuller? A wonder that it didn't rust through...
Straight outta a From Software game.
Porque no los dos as a sword
Schiavonesca those are the swords that have those "S" shape hand guards and square pommels. I have one fro Del Tin.
I'm not that much into longsword sabre. I'm more of a long sabre-sword.
That sword looks like it killed dinosaurs
I will take a dozen, please.
Hmmm…..a “bastard saber”? 😈
do you consider this a transitional design?
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that is serbian sword/saber 15century when serbian knight have to fight for otomans ther was thing for weapon modification so from longsword u got that saber looking thing and S shape crossguard with square pumal is tipical serbian sword in 15century
Swords with that kind of handle are known as "schiavonesca". The ancestor of the schiavona.
Yes, I tried to avoid that term because I think it is a modern/19th century museum term and not really correct to the period (like sidesword).
@@scholagladiatoria It is In fact, most probably the earliest known name for this type of sword, attested in the will of sword-smith Dobrič Bunisalić from Republic of Ragusa written in 1391, which mentions two such swords: "De le doe spade schiavonesche".
This further complicates the origin place of these swords, or actually makes it clearer, because Schiavonia / Sclavonia in Dubrovnik (Republic of Ragusa), unlike in Venice, referred to Serbia exclusively.
In Latin documents originating in Municipality / Republic of Ragusa from late 13th century onward, Serbian monarchs are regularly titled “Rex Sclavoniae”, “Imperator Sclavoniae”, “Conte Sclavoniae”, “Comitissa Sclauoniae”, “Despot Sclavoniae”. In various legal documents dealing with activities of the Republic or its citizens who resided in Serbia as merchants, craftsmen, miners, etc, the country is often referred to as “Sclauonia”.
If we consider that this first historic mention of the sword is coming from a sword-smith from Dubrovnik, he in fact possessed two "Serbian swords". This is even further confirmed by the fact that people of the Republic also denoted the items which came from Bosnia, or were made in “Bosnian fashion”, for instance “unum scutum bosinensem” mentioned in 1335.
"Spada schiavonescha" and "scutum bosinensem" are therefore two Ragusan terms denoting the items which came from Serbia and Bosnia, or were made in their local fashion.
Seems like a perfect sword for a Highlander remake.
Nah.
Maybe it's somewhere in between, somewhere south Slavic?
Yup, schiavonesca literally means Slavic
Long sabre.
It looks like it's about to crumble into pieces lol