Jordan Peterson - Why is Chaos symbolized as feminine?
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Horrible thumbnail mate
I always thought. Mother Earth is feminine. So suppression of feminine energy causes chaos on Earth.
It also stops balance.
Since people are so dang interested in him and the water bottle:
1:28 He pick ups the water bottle
4:19 He almost drinks from the bottle
4:53 He touches the bottle
5:05 He touches the bottle again and carries it
5:37 He grasps the water bottle
6:09 He showcases the bottle just to move it somewhere else
Damn son
But you are underrated
@Jojo I hate that song.
@Jojo no. I’m not a robot. And the song “JoJo” by Boz Scaggs. I hate it.
@Jojo you’re welcome. I was doing it just to see what or if you’d say.
The fact this sort of content exists for free on RUclips is truly remarkable.
Not for much longer. He talks too much truth
@@pparker768 Honestly, I think the dems (or extreme leftists, whatever) are starting to come around. They have to realize what's happening. And when they eventually do we must welcome them and not shame them. We can be pissed as much as we want, but that's what "They" want. We should tell them what they did wrong once we've united, until then. PLEASE spread this message, we can't be divided. That's their plan. :)
Another proof of God, like beer.
I agree with you but it bewilders me the ignorance and the rise of social dichotomy ails so many young people.
I know, there's so much high-quality content jam-packed in such a short amount of time.
4:19 He just won't let himself take a drink. A new idea pops into his head and thirst gets trumped by his desire to express :)
lol imagen if the alt-left was trying to poison him
Alt-left: "oh for F sake drink it Pete, DRINK IT!! ReeeeEEE"
He does that a lot too. "I'm dying of thirst over here!" 😂😂😂
That passion is one of the reasons he is as big as he is in such a short amount of time. The world needed JP bad
Lol
Not a good way to conduct a lesson. Bad enough that hes just talking without stimulating discussion, hes freestyling! Students are paying to learn.
People in the comments are getting "feminine" mixed up with "women".
That is not what Peterson is talking about.
He is referring to the Masculine/feminine duality, the yin and yang.
Not men and women.
But male and female are the human forms of yin and yang.
+Powertuber1000 Yes, they are physical expressions of the masculine/feminine duality that exists in everything. "Woman" is a manifestation of the feminine. Not the other way around.
Even if "woman" did not exist, Chaos would still be feminine.
Thank you for understanding that. Most every comment I see for a JP video is completely wrong either because they use the terminology incorrectly or they take the point out of the (most of the time) incorrect title
Powertuber1000 your confusing gender with sex
No they are not. Those exist in both men and women
'If you have a small brain, you cannot handle a larger environment!' How true.
@Kamil S How so? It is about being able to see the bigger picture and the inability of some to do so. I don't see how Trump is relevant.
@Kamil S That is a far stretch there, eh?
Why?
@@OCD-GUY Why what?
@@OCD-GUY My second comment, to someone who has now deleted theirs, explains what I meant.
Man, wish I had professors like Peterson in college.
Agreed. A real professor.
Because you needed somebody to remind you to wash your balls and buy some lobsters?
these 5 minutes were enough loads of shit and petterson projecting his own experiences as universal rules , omg this was the worst video ive watched in some time
@Al Garnier Let me guess you did gender studies and it didn't agree with Peterson's facts and logic
no you dont
No one in that classroom knew how lucky they were to have had him as a teacher until many years later.
it is true - now they can say that they once had a benzedrine fueled professor who thought that a diet of only beef and apple cider was a good idea
@@DEATHFISH3000 Oh wow. Jealous resentment. What an original idea.
i bet most of them did..
@@mikebliss3153 what is there to be jealous of? Are you jealous of con-artists you encounter?
@@DEATHFISH3000 You know nothing. It's best you stop talking.
Feminine, not Women and don't forget that Man also holds the Feminine but we love to forget that Man has feelings and emotions.
There is nothing to do for me. I can go outside alone or run but nobody is going to join me for anything truth
Anthropomorphising abstract concepts is kinda lame
feelings and emotions are gay.
Kossolax and Monarcho, ironically, feelings and emotions are the driving force of who you are. Not gay, strange, but without sentiments and emotions existing, not only will we have no drive, behave static like robots, but probably, not even form thoughts at all, without senti(sense)-ments(mind).Example: Babies do not know a language, they dont have a sense who he/she (consci-) is in the world, infact most babies up until a certain age delve in PSYCHOPATHY (psyche= soul/spirit / pathos = partaining to emotions). Yet this babies without knowing how to form THOUGHTS (they know NO language) they can still communicate. (cry, scream, flail arms angrily).Those necessities that make babies act without thinking are still part of us even as adults, the only difference being that we know know how to hide and express those emotions using masks in the form of symbols, letters, drawings => language.
Nah, we're masculinity. You sound like modern society, want men to be feminine. Feminine energy goes with women.
*Disregard this comment. This is just a reminder to myself not to scroll down any further. I know there's a shit storm down there.*
Joshua Williams thanks for catching me from the rabbit hole, man lol
Exactly what I thought when I read the title...
thanks
did jordan implied that the females are the chaos from within our room
www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve
"Why is Chaos symbolized as feminine?" I don't need JP to explain in 6.38 seconds. I'm married. QED
Are you married to all the women in the world to say this?? 🤣
I was talking to my professor and referred to you [Jordan Peterson]- he replied "what a polarizing figure", at the end of our discussion I changed his mind and he admitted he only knew what the media reports so he said he would listen to your lectures.
Well . . . did he (?)
@@QED_ people tend to not change their views if media says otherwise. people like to stay brainwashed, it's comforting and gives a sense of security within fake reality that media creates.
but idk if the professor did or not tbh :D
LOL. media=bad, as if Peterson's sophistry on RUclips doesn't constitute part of the media influencing you.
Corporate news outlets composed of many competing people and influences is hardly comparable to an individual's free and honest opinion. And which are you better evolved to judge?
@@Bleiser3 It could be that the prof just hadn't researched Peterson. I doubt you look into every single person you hear about in the media
The problem here is the English language. In most languages nouns have gender, in English they have not! And most ancient languages have the same classification system, and all these terms and abstract ideas are very old and were first formulated by ancient people and cultures. For instance in French le stylo ( pen) is masculine and la table (table) is feminine. That doesn't mean that pens are male/ men and tables female/women. Same principle can be applied here to these abstract ideas.
Whoa in hindi language too pen is masculine and table feminine
Same problem in portuguese
@@rishaang_ All the Indian languages arising from Sanskrit
Mecoracon Lola well, I find a Coke bottle to be very feminine, cats, too.
I personally find gendered languages to add more flavor and description to life. English for the most part is a bit on the dry side and lacks some finesse in expressing feelings without resorting either to foul language for emphasis or becoming overly verbose (word salad - elite appearing to some). Chinese on the other hand, I love for expressing feelings through better use of tonality... you don’t need big words or bad language in Chinese to really express how you feel. When translating English feelings into Chinese, you can pretty much nail it, but going from Chinese to English, something (up to 15-20%) is lost in translation. That said, Chinese sounds rough and angry due to the fourth tone.
Back to gender... in Chinese, spoken is basically neutral with everything being either it or they. You can express him or her, but it’s awkward/unnatural as F. However, when writing, it’s easy to express gender, still it lacks French’s ever present undertone of sexual tension, with the vast majority of characters being neutral, however some characters have masculine or feminine roots which affects things on a subconscious level ie. the character “good” is a woman 女 + son 子 = 好 That is, life is good if you have a woman and a son.
Overall, I prefer English for most situations, but for light banter, Chinese is more relaxed and just flows better (lack of exactness excepting... use German for that).
Having gender for words is stupid.
4:19 when he opens the bottle and goes back talking without taking a drink. I lost my shit laughing
If I had unlimited free time I’d go through all of his lectures and make an compilation of him not drinking his drinks....Bc this happens a lot
He drinks mentally
@@davipenha He drinks metaphysically
So close to happening -- tough to observe but ultimately ambivalent...
He's hopped up on Xanax
So awesome getting lectures from professor Jordan Peterson for free to watch any time I want . This is such an amazing gift! Thank you Mr. Peterson!
I been on RUclips everyday for months... I've evoled to educational an physical learning type videos. Anyone else?
...me too.
Definitely
I wouldn't call it an evolution, I'd just call it an interest. You gravitate towards what you're interested in. To say you "evolved" sounds pretentious and condescending. It sounds as though watching these videos makes you better than someone who's watching funny compilation videos such as "News Fails", "Daily Dose of Internet", "Watch People Die Inside", etc. Sure, Peterson videos are more "intellectual" in nature, but just watching them doesn't mean someone is themselves an intellectual. Who knows, maybe the person watching fail videos embodies Petersons lessons on a day to day basis more so than someone sitting around all day watching Peterson's videos, which only serves to make them "feel" like they're embodying the lessons.
I've ascended from Dr. Peterson to memes. Feels like I'm in my prime now
Imagine if you had spent those months learning something practical, or at least real.
What are you going to do with your newfound knowledge on Pinocchio? Any employers looking for someone to overanalyze children's movies?
This guy is insanely smart in breaking things down and reconstruct ideas.
But it is always two hours of opinion and "ideas" that no one is allowed to question. I saw him say you can't teach problem solving when that is EXACTLY what I taught in a class.
Wish he would use this intelligence to question his belief in a god
@Baby Barbie I would definitely take you seriously if you disagree because you reject all forms of metaphors.
But no, you have to go on and praise femininity like it's a fucking religion with all sorts of bullshit. You're pretty nonsensical yourself.
@Baby Barbie Life is, in fact chaos. LIFE IS, SUFFERING.
@Baby Barbie just the fact that you would go to lengths to type a whole ass paragraph praising feminine traits proves that chaos is feminine. you are initiating chaos. also, gender and ssex arent the same thing
Jordan is brilliant scholar and well spoken gentleman, the voice of reason in a world gone mad.
I love me when I don't understand what Jordan is talking about but I keep watching the whole thing with grace and admiration.
What do you think is driving your myth and admiration?
I cant help noticing the tiled walls. To me it looks like the class room is in the bathroom. And that blue door is very odd. Anyways, everything Dr Peterson says is loaded with truth, sincerity and alot of pasion for what he teaches . So grateful I have the privilege to hear what he teaches.
Those aren't tiles. The room (and building) is built with concrete blocks, which is typical for schools.
jordan peterson: **makes an entire lecture on why chaos is symbolized as feminine**
me: **has never heard that chaos is symbolized as feminine because in my native language the word chaos is masculine**
What’s your native language?
@@test0682 bulgarian
So you really say "father nature" instead of mother nature? o.O wow
@@ericferre no? nature is feminine. each word has its own gender, that's how our grammar works. please don't take everything peterson says as a fact. he's just giving you his own opinions and explanations. chaos is not in fact universally represented as feminine. i don't know where he got that idea from. sure, the greeks had a female goddess of chaos but the egyptians had a male one. the relation between chaos and nature was also simply his own explanation.
@@user-bn1lb8ey9v no! Of course not! I was just really curiuos! I am catalán and we also say in masculin the Word chaos.
I mean ,I think he say that new things come from the femenin(females always bring new Life), and from chaos , the unknown, os from all new Discovery comes. Sorry bad spelling
Chaos is the excitement of all potential and the anxiety of all uncertainty. Chaos is the source of all achievement and the ramification of all failure. Chaos is the only thing that can be ordered, the only thing to strive against and therefore the only reason to strive at all.
Eloquently articulated ☝🏾
It's Chaos appearing orderly, which is more favourable in the end because life is uncertain. Chaos is intuitive. You live present in the moment and adjust accordingly based off what feels best/right for you
Chaos is the absence of order as darkness is the absence of light, not its opposite. Darkness/chaos are the default/ground/natural state that order/light/manifestation emerge from.
I like how you are framing this. Let me ask, if chaos is the combination of all potential and uncertainty, which sex constructs these pathways to prosperity and order?
"The female body is a chthonian machine, indifferent to the spirit who inhabits it." ~~ Camille Paglia
The feminine gives the form of the vessel, regardless of what kind of energy the vessel will be carrying.
A unification of mind and body. Mental and material. Avra and Kadaver. Energy (live-rising) and Falling-energy (fall/dead).
Ahh good ol’ sexism disguised as academia to give the illusion of credibility. Classic. The woman hates herself so much that she identifies as a man lmao. Many women hate themselves just as much as men hate them. They distance themselves from the feminine in order to be accepted and seen as full human by men. I.e. “not like the other girls” The truth is it will never work as those type men will never stop seeing you as less than no matter what you identify as. Paglia is an absolute nutcase. HER “work” is nothing more than discriminatory rhetoric rooted in theories (if you can even call them that) made by ego-driven men and can be easily deconstructed by anyone even semi-grounded in reality.
@@emilyd6259 You are not your body
@@emilyd6259 yep, westerners are so fucking unbalanced it's hilarious they manage to convince others as being more advanced. their attitudes set back asian ancient wisdom by centuries. and that's how the message of feminism is twisted, it ended being "we gotta be like men" which of course, they do not notice. Shit, I became so extremely ashamed of my feminine aspects in the few years I lived in shitty USA, still struggling to go back to a healthier state. The west might be technologically advanced and might present clearer wording for ideas but their ideas themselves are certainly not more advanced - in terms of philosophy, they have so god damn much to learn from the East. Ever writer of the past who were lucky enough to be blessed by eastern ideas, became significantly more profound or at least were able to appreciate deeper ideas. Shouldn't be hard to detect who grew and who didn't - sounds familiar and agreeable? completely western. Strange twist, interesting new order perception? touched by the foreign.
@@emilyd6259 I really doubt you understood what she meant by that.
Of course chaos is feminine. Why would anyone question that? 😆
Incel
@@selrox879 Completely absurd and hypersensitive response, my friend
@@Hugex97 nope, it's perfectly reasonable.
Incel
As a women. I have to say, am so glad I woke up, and accept my masculinity as well as my femininity.
Amen sister!
as a *woman,* hopefully one day you wake up and learn proper grammar as well.
@@plutonium120 wow you didn't have to be a jerk about it..you do know we are humans typing on a digital keyboard? We are going to make mistakes man. So rude
@@stanfatou2002 false. direct result of ignorance and improper grammar, not a mistake. you're one of those women who doesn't accept their mistakes also.
@Tim these girls all bought tickets for the titanic. it's only a matter of time....
A great man, a working class guy that got his Sh☆t together to help himself & wound up helping the world.
Very Interesting video! This was shown to me as I was interpreting Chaos in my painting. Well done!
Is your painting representing a male's perspective or a female's perspective? I've been thinking that chaos (as represented by the woman) is something that was created by men. Men mars, women venus? Men create war, women represent love. Could the artwork take on this form? Biology does.
@@planksip Chaos is the formless matter supposed to have existed before the creation of the universe... My painting Has No gender perspective, Its complete disruption and confusion to whomever interprets it that way in their minds. I do find what you said quite interesting.
anyone who has been through menopuase, or who has lived with someone who went through it knows the answer to this question
Yes, perfectly reasonable. You had me on the edge of my seat as to whether or not you were going to actually take a drink of the water or just keep moving it around. Great talk, thanks.
See, people assume chaos is a bad thing and get insulted when it is portrayed as feminine. Chaos is an integral part of reality and something worth reverence. I love women because they represent chaos. As a left-hand path pagan and chaote, I revere Tiamat as my personal incarnation of the Mother Goddess. There is nothing inherently negative about chaos, reality would become stagnant without it. The chaos a woman brings into my life makes me excited and keeps things interesting. Feminine energy is beautiful to me because it is so wild and unpredictable.
It's Chaos appearing orderly, which is more favourable in the end because life is uncertain. Chaos is intuitive. You live present in the moment and adjust accordingly based off what feels best/right for you
“The story has to be blatantly archetypal to appeal to the child’s unconscious.”
That’s a brilliant statement.
Every male who has been in a relationship with a female knows why chaos is feminine, and it’s not because chaos “gives birth” to things.
Stereotypes are pretty sneaky when they get to live rent free in our heads as they pass through the door of humor since we risk subconsciously acting on them, thus generating further division between people.
I pity those women. They must have endured a lot with those men.
Chaos gives birth to more chaos ...
Great job. Thanks for this. JP doesn’t fully articulate this in some of the most watched videos of him and I have always wondered about the connection. This explains it fully and coherently.
@Baby Barbie In this and other videos, he says that it isn’t he that chooses those categories. Those categories were chosen anthropologically. And, as you put it so well, women are, historically as well as biologically, the birthplace of newness and the nurturer of newness. And that newness is a result of change. And change is the very meaning of chaos. Chaos has many good and necessary attributes. And it has some not-so-good attributes. Just as order has both good (predictability) and bad (stultification and overbearing) attributes. He is using the historical meaning of the word. I would agree with you that he should take more time to distinguish the historical meaning from the modern meaning of that word.
Every time he makes eye contact with someone while talking I always think back to when I was in school and the teacher would start starring at me while talking and I would lose all my concentration and all I could think of is: When he is gonna stop looking at me!
No what you should (or should have) done is take that opportunity to nod your head like you are agreeing with them or just intently listening. Low key made my profs like me. Half the time I wasn’t even paying attention. Just nodding.
Start taking notes and the teacher will stop staring at you
It's an interesting phenomenon but I also think it works the other way. Consider when you ask a question and how extra focused you are with the teacher's response when he/she answers your question in front of the class. Do you find this to be the case? That we get an elevated more focused attention on a answer to a question that we ask?
He didn't say why chaos was feminine, all he did was indecisively say that is feminine is the opposite of masculine, with no facts, sources, studies, or examples on why this makes sense to him expect that "order rises from chaos and so its perfectly reasonable to consider it feminine"
Can a feminine behavior be view as masculine? Ask yourself that dumb dumb.
@@thedarkdivinity7525 Answering that question does not answer whether or not femininity is characterized by chaos
@@buskingkiwi4396 In the past, the women was the home maker while the man travel far to work and often not home for days to months. The view that women is a caretaker of their kids as well as the one who handout punishment is the sign of chaos; Something that came from order.
Order came from when things are as it should be. From the point a child means being taken care of with tolerance and care. But when anger and punishment get introduce; To a kid's view or anyone, that is chaos.
The phrase mother nature is refer to how loving and harsh it can be; Same with how a mother would be. Life is different now. But in the ancient time this is how children see their mother. Hence you get a view of why women is the representation of chaos. It is instilled into kids at a young age.
@@thedarkdivinity7525 we were talking about femininity not women. Even JBP is delicate with word choice there not to come off as blatantly sexist. God I hope you mean femininity when you typed women.
What you have said in the first paragraph is that someone who has to look after a homestead, a child, and also themselves with being two parents at the same time is someone who is the embodiment of chaos. Those factors aren't exclusive to that person, but rather the situation; I would say the situation is one of chaos.
If the sole justification for why femininity is viewed to be chaos is down to the point of "it was like that in the past when things were different" then i'm glad things have changed, and that the masculine and feminine are reaching closer to each other on whatever chaos-order spectrum JBP has made
I can't be the only one that saw Chaos as Male? It also really depends on the language. In English things are not gendered, in Russian and German (wich I am) all things either are Male, female or nonbinary. Chaos in German is genderless, but has more of a Male feeling. In Russian chaos is Male. So his theories really does not apply to a lot of cultures
Chaos is a masculin word in French (LE chaos) but that's pretty much it, there isn't any tradition/symbolic fixed to it being "male". The only time I ever heard chaos as being symbolically female was about the Yin/Yang so it must be relevant in some asian countries.
The lecture never mentioned that the symbolic definitions of the nouns, Chaos and Order, were made based on gendered articles. Unless you have evidence to prove otherwise.
It's Chaos appearing orderly, which is more favourable in the end because life is uncertain. Chaos is intuitive. You live present in the moment and adjust accordingly based off what feels best/right for you
Logic / Emotion ,male/female,Masculine/feminine. If we let our emotions overwhelm us we have Chaos and if we suppress our emotions totally we have Chaos so we must find our balance.
Not sure about that logic /emotion dichotomy you've tacked on . I don't know if it's because I think the idea 'men are more logical, women are more emotional' is an oversimplification in general or not (I'm still tossing that one up). I see where you get it from, but I think that's [men] placing that upon Peterson's point. Nowhere does he try use logic /emotion to explain the symbolic feminine and masculine.
@@fotter9567 Yeah but male and masculine, and female and feminine aren't synonymous. And men are socialised to not express and process emotion but it's not a fact of nature, it's cultural.
Thank you, TheArchangel911
I still don't understand why masculine is order and feminine is chaos and not the other way around. Can someone help me?
First variant: Well, men are such insecure persons. Second variant: Because some men like to talk shit. And so on...
@@sofijajovanovic2404 That was not an useful reply
@@Meta-trope Dont waste your time trying to find some deep meaning in a load of crap.
@@sofijajovanovic2404 Stop. You embarrass yourself
@@Meta-trope I am talking about Jordan Peterson
There is a large part of listening to Peterson that seems to be about learning "How" to think as opposed to "what" to think. I like that. He provokes thought rather than just filling your brain with artifacts and stats. That must be very threatening to those that are more about inciting ideological indoctrination.
Thats my favorite thing about Jordan Peterson. He'll tell you something obvious and then immediately follow it up with WHY. and its like i dunno it just is, but he's always going further into detail and mapping out the world in every detail. I love it, its helping me question the things going on around me and finding out for myself.
@4:15 I'm fascinated as to what Dr Peterson is doing with regards to being thirsty and getting through each next thought.
Google plankSIP, that's my media outlet. I thought you might get a kick out of some of the articles on there.
It's likewise possible to argue that chaos is symbolized as masculinity. Jordan can be overly confident about the crap that comes out of his mouth sometimes.
It's funny how people in the comments are bringing in their shitty politics and completely missing the point.
Articulated well. Thanks for the practical application to daily life.
I am lost with this comment, "practical application to daily life."? How so?
So basically feminine is seen as chaos because of the dominant perspective (which is the relative point of view of the masculine). Well if the dominant perspective was feminine, would the feminine still be discerned as chaos? Would the dominant feminine perspective naturally place the masculine with light and order?
Did you even listen to what he said in the first 10 seconds?
@@jamesgutierrez4695 Yup, did you? My question still stands goofy
When i was about 2 or so, my dad showed me the first Sam Rami Spider-Man. (The movie was brand new) I instantly became obsessed with the idea of Spider-Man. And I would try to be him in every possible way. My mom didn’t understand it, and I didn’t either. So she grounded me from everything Spider-Man. I couldn’t watch, talk, or even think about him. Except for Halloween when I could dress up like him. Now that I’m older I know I wanted to emulate his attitude towards life. Where even when he is horrified he still pushes forward, when he is down on the ground bloody and broken he still pushes forward, when his life is falling apart because of the RESPONSIBILITY he CHOOSES to take on he still pushes forward.
I had professors that made me literally hate the things I was passionate it about so much that I completely stopped doing all of them, then you have professor Peterson, who makes me want to go to school without even being rewarded with a degree.
4:21 when you about to take a drink and and the words to tell an idea strikes
Chaos is madness which is creativity which is genius.
Because the people in control have to blame what they can't control on someone, and those not in control will seek to undermine order to seek power.
So true
Right, so in this case (ie. JP's video) are you saying that men (predominately) will undermine the order of women to seek power when they feel insecure and blame women when they can't control them?
@@planksip- If those "in control" are predominantly men and they feel the need to label one gender or the other "chaotic", their likely choice is rather obvious, just as it would be if roles were reversed.
@@Malt454 sounds reasonable. Don't you think there should be a better way or are we stuck with power as a byproduct of humanity?
@@keenerdan - I honestly think we had a better "power balance" between the genders before we became "civilized" - the first cities represented the first real accumulations of wealth, which needed muscle-driven armies to defend them, which put men at the top of the food chain (and saw the rise of warrior gods and the decline of nature goddesses) - and, as the gods go, so go the societies they reflect.
Now, on so many levels, it's become a case of revenge for past grievances and groups afraid to release power, however retained, for fear of retribution; it's a wonder that we make progress at all... and in some instances, we're regressing.
Truth is truth, this man simply states the truth......We are here to listen,learn and grow.....
Chaos is the birth place of Order.
Dude that deep
no
Chaos is the absence of order as darkness is the absence of light, not its opposite. Darkness/chaos are the default/ground/natural state that order/light/manifestation emerge from.
Doing an analogy with Kabbalah, chaos would be represented as a masculine principle which is uncontrolled expansion (the second sephira) then it comes the third one: order of things found in the feminine principle.
@@HELLL999 Really?? This is ironic given that in Judaism, Eve/the feminine represents the chaotic corrupting figure that got her and Adam tossed out of peace and perfection of heaven.
If chaos is feminine, then why do men more often cause chaos? And why ASPD, which to me seems pretty chaotic, is represented more by men?
Chaos and order both have masculine and feminine representations. Chaos represents immaturity, childhood, creativity. Order represents maturity, adulthood, consistency.
He's not talking about men and women, he's talking about masculine and feminine. No need to be offended.
@@-khayri-4280 Masculinity and femininity is tied to physical sex. No need to be passive aggressive.
I feel like he doesnt get to why chaos is feminine... but okay
He actually start with it? Cuz it's the birthplace of things.
I bloody love that thumbnail to the video, straight away it made me answer the question. Females are pictured as chaos because males think everything has to be all orderly until they meet a girl so magically special that it makes all that order go down the crapper. Besides, chaos are order and two sides of the same coin. The right person can turn life to magic with you ; )
OK simp.
Simp
Great comment. In this type of videos man hate that they have a feminine side, like femininity is wrong and women are bad. And also all the way around man and women are complements of different forces, just like nature. Nothing occurs isolated
@@marte1376 Yeah, complimenting to the good of men (fairness, empathy, kindness, creativity, self sacrifice) we have evil of women (judgement, entitlement, relying on genitals to get through life, selfishness).
We have 2 types of people commenting here, the simps/women and the Chads.
Each of us has both masculine and feminine archetypes within us. It's not related to gender.
Making some bloody sense for a change 😊👍
chaos was symbolized as feminine for the same reason light and order was symbolized as masculine. Because the philosopher at the time made the rules. And most philosophy at the time was also directed toward men. I mean even if you look at the bible, who conspired with the serpent to trick Adam into falling from grace? It was a woman. The intellectuals of the past often perceived themselves as the righteous and superior and the Other as the betrayer, or the inferior. And at the time women weren't allowed to take part in philosophical discussion.
Excellent evaluation
It's Chaos appearing orderly, which is more favourable in the end because life is uncertain. Chaos is intuitive. You live present in the moment and adjust accordingly based off what feels best/right for you
@@SoniaAnastasiaaa
Intuition is not always right
But logic is always right
thats not the reason why. The reason is because its human phsycology that is deeply ingrained in the human psyche. It's not about women, its about the feminine and the masculine. Yin and yang. Feminine and masculine represent the duality of the human spirit, not women.
Stop viewing everything through some low-resolution marxist lens of group struggle for power.
"Children can't understand stories unless they are archetypical." Man can't understand chaos unless they place it in the category of the feminine. Reasonable? Don't know. It would be an excellent oral debate.
control is dominant, assertive, therefore masculine concept. control being the opposite of chaos, therefore chaos is a feminine principle.
This guy is way ahead of his time!
Chaos being feminine is about the dark mystery of fertility, the creation of life from a random world of elemental forces -- chaos being the fertile ground, the womb of existence that is space-time, from which order is then able to arise
SupernalOne Yes, finally someone who fucking gets it! The whole idea that order is "good" and chaos is "evil" are ideas hammered into us by the Judaeo-Christian bias of western civilization. I revere order and chaos equally because of their respective and vital roles in cosmic balance. I appreciate the chaos in women as a counterbalance to my more orderly male energy.
So, actually, it is the woman's womb that brings order from chaos; that brings a human being from a mass of cells. So women actually are the fountain of order.
+Valerie Hudson Chaos is referred to as feminine because it is the representation of the chaos of primordial creation. Cycles of death and birth are chaotic. Mother Nature, Tiamat, and other female serpentine beings like the Leviathan have been representations of chaos. Mother Nature is chaotic bringing destruction and continual rebirth. Tiamat is both simultaneously the goddess of chaos and creation.
Order is usually represented in most mythologies and stories as masculine. Marduk defeats the feminine representation of Chaos, Tiamat the female dragon goddess, which brings order and civilization through creating the heavens and earth from her divided body. God, the Father portion of the Trinity, in Genesis is facing the "watery chaos" and brings order through creating the heavens and the earth from the chaos. The motifs of chaos being feminine and order being masculine has many historical precedences.
After order comes chaos again. Why isn't that feminine too?
And what's the point of calling it feminine? Can't u understand chaos gives birth to order without calling it feminine?
Chaos=feminine=pure being and potential
4:20, I need a drink of water...nah that will take too long.
All Troubles started with The females/Feminine.
I always wonder what the tests/essays in his classes looked like.
I'm an ESL student.. barely understand this level of English. However, I'm still enjoying the lecture.🤣
He forgets to drink everytime!
He's not thirsty because he's fully individuized
Google plankSIP, that's my media outlet. I thought you might get a kick out of some of the articles on there.
Because men write history, let’s not play stupid
Finally someone speaks what i always knew
Yea, anyone who attack JP about basic psychology clearly never listened to one of his lectures otherwise they would be a productive member of society.
At last, a video that answers the question in the title within the first few seconds.
Nothing like a woman to make me go against reason just to please her. I'm 99% rational in all things unless I'm crushing on a woman. Then it all goes out the window.
That thumbnail brought me here
looks like noone is willing to contact the captain
Facts! I never thought of that!
What I find very interesting about this, particularly Peterson saying how “perhaps kids only understand stories if they’re archetypal.” It would suggest that if you have to explain it, then it isn’t archetypal. Would the movie “Frozen” have to be explained? Since I know Peterson doesn’t like it at all since it’s such a deliberate break from the mythological hero archetype in favor of what seems to be propaganda/agenda.
I can see how indoctrination can happen at such a young age. But if it isn’t archetypal, you really have to force feed it to them, and that can’t be pleasant for them at all
Quit the opposite, I don't think an archetypal story has to be "explained" per say. This is just something that us rational(izing) folk do. Archetypial, as JP uses it in the Jungian tradition, is subliminal and an innate social driver of truth, revealed through these embodiments and representations. In your example, Frozen is a good story because children like it. End stop. Why children like it is the question you need to ask if you want an answer to the why question but not necessary for children to enjoy it. Make sense?
In our country tropical storms (the type that kills fishermen, uproot old trees, flood neighborhoods, all sort of devastations) has always been referred to by female names since time immemorial.
@Uncle Nik Haha.
@Uncle Nik Close but no cigar. Vietnam. Hen gap lie.
The pic at the end was f-in hilarious! Trump as Takumi, lol.
I don't agree with Dr. Peterson on a number of issues but you have to respect how intelligent and articulate this man is. I would love to sit in and listen to his lectures.
Order does not rise from chaos, it is made up by humans who seek to understand the chaos that is the world we live in. Hence the categories like feminine or masculine can be assigned attributes however the humans decide to assign. Patriarchy is as much about chaos as it is about order. The image of chaos is as much about order as thr idea of patriarchy: these are just human concepts seekin to talk about the world while they are not really the world itself. Using word to explain unexplainable things is a thing ppl have to live with, but they should also be aware that the use of words matter and the use of words is never self-explanatory and they should not be taken as a given. Words matter and you can take responsibility on the words you use. Explaining why some old cultural use of words were or are like they were/are does not mean that's how they should be used for ever. It's a means of building that kind of a system that we want tfe system to be. If it is agreed that calling xhaos feminine and order masculine is a) not the whole truth and/or b) useful and c) might actually create unnecessary tensions in the society, we have the tools in our hands tl change the definitions and markers. We don't have to just follow suit, because it's just words,it's not the reality.
"Order does not rise from chaos, it is made up by humans who seek to understand the chaos that is the world we live in. "
Which is what he means. The observer of the unknown making the known. He literally said it. And you stated it here. Order arises from chaos via the hero.
@Wucci Mane how is that in any way the other way around? how are you applying the terms "known" and "unknown" here exactly? There is much that is unknowable about God, we can't weigh Him, measure his age, etc. There is much that is knowable about the universe, we can and have measured its properties. So, wouldn't that still be known from unknown? And unknown and known aren't related as concepts to order and chaos. You've arbitrarily associated them without any reason
What a great way to think of storytelling for children. I hope we don't lose that point of view, and those storytelling skills.
As a child I was obsessed with Pinocchio as well. Drove my parents mad with it actually.
Liar!! Just kidding. I thought that was funny. Who nose?
Even so is wisdom. And wisdom is justified by her children.
I think it's because culture and history has always known that most criminals are brought up by single mothers, they were called bastard child not for no reasons. Not saying a child brought up by a single mother is doomed to criminality, just much more likely than other normal children
many psychopaths and mentally ill people have been born and raised in traditional couples ... religious and sanctimonious families are specially prone to sadism and sexual abuse... And many heros and heroins have been raised by single mothers, with no help whatsoever from the biological fathers,
Good question, Jordon Peterson!
Thank you for sharing!
birth is far more ancient then mammals.
But before mammals most animals laid eggs
Really cool that this mans lectures are on here for free even if just small parts.
Word salad.
How. Did. He. Get. A. PhD. ??????
In sankya philosophy , probably the most ancient of Indian philosophies, the manifest form of creation is Shakti (faminine ) and the un-manifest potential is purusha (masculine ) .
Shakti is often associated with creativity as material creation is seen as a creative phenomena.
Yeah its weird like that, depending on which world-lense you look to and from, the roles may be inversed. (mind or material lense)
The masculine is the mental creator but physical destroyer, the feminine is the physical creator but mental destroyer.
Gathers thoughts, but deconstructs objects. Gathers objects, but deconstructs thoughts.
Its the MENtal and the MATERial, coming together for the eternal dance.
That hijab-wearing Muslim never missed a day of class.
Its interesting how he percieves nature as chaotic.
It is chaotic , look what calamities and humans are part of nature and humans are messing up Mother Nature . So
Humans and nature are all chaotic .
How in the hell do you take notes on this class?
God, hope he makes rubrics for his tests.
Exactly! One thing is for sure, it's a different kind of instructive technique. Mesmirizing is the word that comes to mind with his finger flickers. :)
"The bigger the brain, the bigger the environment." Dr. Peterson is so brilliant and full of wisdom, even his tangential asides are brilliant.
it would be really interesting to hear him talking about why terror and suspense folkore in general is palgued with young femele (and at the same time, it is undersatnd that pretty) creatures or beings, kinda makes me wonder what does that means
Huh? Sounds interesting but I'm not quite sure what your talking about
Father/Order, Mother/Chaos….I saw this 1st hand with my own eyes
Simple answer: get comfortable and relaxed around an insecure woman and you'll receive some chaos to get you moving.
Girl mad at bf cuz he's busy and she can't control him
Her friend "I'll take him then"
Girl goes "no he's mine"
Yeah girls are definitely chaotic
Another perspective on this theme of the feminine in the realms of good and evil would be the story of Gomer, the unfaithful wife of the prophet Hosea. She is a type or shadow of the covenant people of God with a special emphasis on the lawless, care-free and careless non-Jewish house of Israel. Her story comes to its grand climax as the end-time drama unfolds. It is a vital element to the story of the covenant people of God as they face the trials the consummation of this age.
See
endtimepilgrim.org/Gomer.htm
Then we have the the shady lady, one of the two women featured as archetypes in the book of Revelation.
The harlot woman represents compromised Christianity mixed with other religions as dominion theology. This was seen in vision by John and described in Revelation 17.
endtimepilgrim.org/harlot.htm
And then in Revelation 12 John saw the other woman, the woman of mystery and wonder who is in confinement. She is in travail and threatened by the dragon even as she is about to be delivered in glory. This is a prophecy of redemption and deliverance and of things yet to come.
See
endtimepilgrim.org/woman.htm
I find he speaks as directive not as theory that sounds mostly true.
So… what I got out of this is whenever you hear children draw a conclusion of how the world is, we should consider it an archetypal understanding that stems from instinct?
My niece use to say that I was ‘the boss’ at any family gatherings and when she was asked why, she would explain that it was because I was the tallest/biggest.
Does this infer that children recognize relative size and correlate it with strength, and strength to leadership?
Not from instinct but from their own experience
I've over computed the equation and left the game.
I've never heard chaos called feminine before.
I think my image would be that peace and order would be seen as more feminine, just... actually I don't really know why.
The only time I have heard Chaos being a feminine thing was about the Yin and Yang.