The Vikings Had a Moron at Quarterback?
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- This is why you don't do things when you're half asleep, kids
Prior to week 5 of the 1986 NFL season, when the Minnesota Vikings were set to take on the Chicago Bears, Vikings QB Tommy Kramer conducted an interview with a Chicago radio station where he decided to bash his defense, as in, the number one defense in the NFL, and call them all terrible. The reason he did that? Well... it may surprise you
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Great video. I've been there with sick kids so I totally understand. I love when you do vikings vids.
Well, nobody ever accused "Two-Minute" Tommy of intellectual brilliance
Don't you mean "12 pack Tommy"?
I will not tolerate Two-Minute Tommy slander. ;)
One of the best nicknames in history. Not sure why Brady didn't take it.
How bout Dick Buktus (RIP) oh wait. 🤦🏾
Same, Tommy Kramer is my favorite quarterback ever bar-none
I liked him better than "Too Tiny Tarkenton".
More likely he was drunk. Multiple drunk driving arrests would attest to this.
He allegedly hit a road sign somewhere in Edina MN on York Ave
Yeah, he was a drunkard.
100% he was wasted
0ne of my favorite Vikings jokes : Person A “Did you hear Tommy Kramer couldn’t get into his own house the other night?” Person B “ I bet he was drinking.” Person A “Nope, some smart a$$ painted a goal line in front of his door.”😆
The best Tommy story. He got hit and had to leave the game. The announcer ,Max McGee, a former packer who also owned a bar about a mile from the stadium says I hope he didn’t get hurt too bad he’s one of my best customers.
I'll always have a warm spot in my heart for Tommy Kramer. He truly made my 13th birthday forever memorable...by hitting Ahmad Rashad with a 46-yard TD pass as time ran out against the Cleveland Browns...the Miracle at the Met!
That was my 9th birthday, one I will never forget!
Original Tecmo Bowl for me. I was so young that in 1991 I thought Erik Kramer was this Kramer.
I was at that game!
As a Browns fan, I enjoy this comment. Because I think we got the Vikes back in 1989. One of my first memories as a 5 year old...
@@warrenbros.broadcastingnet7049 Back when the Browns were the original Cardiac Kids.
Tommy had a drinking problem .
That's what I remember.
Nah. He drank just fine....whiskey I believe.😂
I hear the secrets that you keep, when you are giving an interview half-asleep.
and I know that I'm right, cause I hear it in the niiight.
It sounded like Kramer was speaking from his subconscious.
Poor Kramer. The guy could never catch a break. He was a highly talented QB but could never reach his full potential or have sustained success because of bad injury luck. Then, the guy embarrassed himself in front of a large radio audience while being exhausted to the point of delusio, trying to be a good parent and nurse his infant child back to health. Kramer is definitely one of the biggest and most overlooked "what ifs" in the history of the NFL. They say the Vikings are cursed, and poor Tommy Kramer seemed to have been impacted by the supposed curse more than any other single Vikings player.
The team was finally stacked with talent ...thanks largely to the collapse of the USFL, but Kramer just couldn't stay healthy. Coach Jerry Burns liked to play 6 different running backs every game for some reason. Herschel Walker actually had the exact same average per carry with the Vikings as he did with Dallas, but Burns would never commit to one single back. Don't know if they would have been any better if Walker got all the carries, but for what you gave up you got to do it.
At least he had a 100% valid excuse.
Also in 1986, Tommy Kramer threw for 490 yards against the Redskins; which the Vikings lost 44-38 in overtime. It really shouldn't have gone to OT as Redskins kicker Max Zendejas (who replaced the released Mark Mosely, and MZ would then be replaced by Jess Atkinson. Even punter Steve Cox took a turn kicking field goals) not only missed a field goal; but also missed ...... 3 extra points. No JG9, I am not making that up.
No one who ever saw that game will ever forget it. Max Zendejas as a college kicker was a stud. In the NFL, he was a total dud.
Three PATs Carl!
@johncate9541 Well to be somewhat fair; kickers in College football had a wider goalpost until 1992 (it was 23 feet/4 inches in college) and could kick from a tee until 1989. And the hashmarks were farther apart (53 feet/4 inches apart until being narrowed to 40 feet in 1993).
Zendejas led the league with 5 missed extra points. Atkinson only kicked in the finale against the Eagles and the playoffs. A missed XP cost them the game against the Broncos IIRC in the next to last game. I remembered Cox trying the longer field goals for Washington. He made 3 such kicks.
I’m a Redskins fan. That was one amazing game with all those mixed extra points and Gary Clark spinning away from a defender and gong in for the winning TD.
Tommy was a good QB. Minnesota had no defense some of his years.
I know the feeling of trying to do something and nodding off, waking up about 30 minutes later. Kramer definitely didn't get enough sleep and it's easy to understand why. I'm surprised his passer rating wasn't in the teens for that game.
Kramer vs. the Packers in week 4: THEIR defense sucks
I caddied for Kramer at a celebrity golf tournament in 1980. He was really nice but had a drinking problem.
"Alright! Gimme the jersey back!"
- Kramer to JG9
It’s been implied in other comments but as a Vikings fan and knowing Tommy Kramer… that was the liquor talking
Seems like Tommy Kramer was asleep 💤 at the switch when he made the comments bashing his team ‘s defense-and I’m not making this up! 👍👍👍👍🏈👀
Kramer was fantastic. Lots of hate here.
💯
It was mentioned that the Bears and Vikings played each other on October 5, 1986. That was the same day as Ben Dreith’s “Giving him the business” penalty call.
Was this the same Ben Dreith who massively screwed over New England in 1976 AFC Divisional playoffs @ Oakland where he called a borderline flimsy hands-to-the-face personal foul call on Patriots DE Ray "Sugar Bear" Hamilton against Kenny Stabler on a 2nd and 18 call late in the game?
Patriots were so upset by the controversial decision that Dreith didnt officiate another Patriots game until 1987.
This is clickbait. At the time, it was a two day story. His daughter, BTW, grew up to be an Olympic class gymnast or swimmer or something. I met Tommy a while back and he was a really nice guy. He had an engaging public persona. He recently said on X that he was quitting drinking. He's apparently battled alcoholism his whole adult life, so I hope it sticks.
The TITLE is clickbait. He titles all of his videos that way. The video is more detailed.
You gotta be careful with your hindsight. The lions, the steelers, the bucs, and the packers were all bad teams back in 1986. They didn't play a good team yet. That said, Chris Doleman and Keith Millard were monsters in the 80's
Those teams won a combined 17 games on the year. They were cremepuffs. And the Vikings D was awful prior to that season so Kramer probably thought it was a mirage with how good the D played and the fact that the teams they played with all bottom feeders. The Vikings benefitted from playing the Lions, Bucs and Packers for more than a third of their season. BTW their offense was better in points and yards than their defense on the year.
Tommy Kramer was a good qb. He was also a raging alcoholic.
Tommy Kramer was the most inconsistent quarterback I have ever seen in watching 60 years of NFL football. One week he would throw four touchdown passes and the next week he would throw five interceptions. Overall, the Vikings record with him at quarterback was right around .500.
Tommy had a drinking problem. That was his big issue.
I think Kramer had overcome his alcoholism by that point.
@@CTubeMan He made an appearance at one of our restaurants last year for the NYG/MIN playoff game... he showed up with a red solo cup full of vodka at 11:00am. He still has a drinking problem.
Once again, a GREAT story!!! Your research skills are MAD!! This is the best channel on RUclips, period!😊
I respect that you cover the more obscure players and less covered incidents as opposed to most channels that just cover the same old storylines. Keep up the great work.
19:02 Which is worse than if you did nothing but spike the ball into the ground on every single play.
Crazy how he went to Rice
Kramer was known for having trouble with the bottle.
Tommy gave me and my best friend a memory of a lifetime. My friend and I were just 15 when we went to the Vikings vs Browns game. The day started out fairly warm but by the 2nd half it had turned cold and we were under dressed. We talked about leaving and walking over to the old Thunderbird hotel where my friends mom was waiting during the game. But we decided to stick it out and we were so glad we did, the hail mary to Rashad happened right in front of us and we went wild. I still have my ticket stub from that game.
Kramer played for Rice back when they were in the power conference, the southwest conference. Unfortunately, they're the Vanderbilt of that conference plus their stadium is way too big. Him, Bert Emanuel, Larry Izzo, and ND Kalu were amongst notable nfl players from Rice. Few others i could think of are Jarrett Dillard who played for the Jags over a decade ago and recently Luke McCaffrey was a day 2 pick.
I’ve typed a paper or two in college and whilst typing caught myself typing nonsense while super tired. And have said nonsense on the phone when really tired. But i usually caught it.
I remember hearing a tape of this interview a short time after this happened; I believe even before the Vikes/Bears game in question. Have you ever been so drunk that you form the words in your mouth and then you just kind of spit them out ? That’s the kind of shape he was in, early in the AM. He was absolutely blotto drunk . The radio guys asked about Kramer’s stint in rehab too, which was the year before. Kramer wouldn’t touch it, only saying it was “Too painful. Too painful.” I hope a tape of that interview resurfaces. It’s a classic.
If you have that interview I gotta hear that because that'd be amazing
Nope. Then again, I have a weird genetic quirk that makes me highly resistant to the effects of alcohol, so I may be biased.
The Vikings will one day be the only team to never win a Super Bowl. That franchise is so snakebitten it is FAR BEYOND ASTRONOMICAL lol
I retired a few years ago worked with a younger guy whose aunt and uncle lived next door to Tommy in Minnesota. Tommy took the time to play catch with him once the guy had nothing but admiration for Tommy. Big thrill for a kid.
Good video
Great in-depth piece 👍 I was 6 years old when I became a Vikings. 1986 to be exact. Al Noga, Henry Thomas, Keith Millard, Chris Doleman. Joey Browner, Hassan Jones, Anthony Cater, Steve Jordan. What.
16:24 I find this hilarious. 🤣most players should do interview while asleep 🤣
I often found myself looking looking back fondly on Steve buerlines 1999 season
I remember him being a famous drunkard
He threw for 436yds and 3 TD's against the '85 Bears defense. That D on average gave up 176 passing yds/gm and Tommy's one game along with Marino's is probably the only reason it isn't 125yds lol...
He wasn't " tired" during that one interview with that Chicago radio station. He was drunk as shit. I've heard it multiple times over the years.
Week 3, Another game 31-7 over Steelers he had a great game
That Hail Mary game against the Browns in 1980. The one with the walk-off touchdown from Kramer to Rashad. Kramer went ballistic on Danmeier after he missed an extra point. Kramer was a bit of a hothead.
Tommy was just drunk that day and he was thinking of the year before 😮😮
Tommy Kramer is the most exciting Vikings quarterback I've ever watched.
For 38 years Tommy has held the record for most yards in a game.
43 years he's held the record for most touchdowns in a game and for 45 years he has held the record for most comebacks in a season.
Had Darrell Green not knocked the ball out of Darren Nelson's hands, Tommy Kramer would probably be a super bowl champion.
Tommy Kramer is my favorite quarterback and anyone that's disrespecting him probably never watched him or his team play an actual game.
The San Antonio Kid was Hall of Very Good!!
Nah. Was probably drunk or hungover. That was Tommy Kramer, through and through.
As a Packer fan I always thought Kramer was good. He had some unfortunate injuries. The one I remember is after being sacked he was knocked unconscious and was having convulsions on the ground. Still makes me shutter.
I did this once while trying to record a speedrun for a video game. When I came to, the timer was 20 minutes past a realistic time for the spot in the game I was at, and I was actively running at a wall.
I shut the game off and went to bed.
Yes, back in my gaming days, this was not an uncommon occurance for me.
I don’t if Kramer was a moron, but he sure as hell was drunk a lot!
I will never forget watching Kramer suffer the most vicious assault I have ever seen on television. Not recalling the opponent, but the defensive player didn’t just sack him. He grabbed Kramer and whipped him around in a circle several times and then body slammed him. I watched Kramer’s body on the ground twitching, as if this hit had caused him to have a seizure. It was absolutely sickening.
I was there. The player, linebacker Jim Youngblood of the Rams, later apologized to Kramer.
@@Joebagadonuts-dw9pn Maybe Jim was frustrated that he wasn't as good as Jack.
That was Joe Kapp's 7 td 449 yrd game. Week 2, 1969 ....2:22
kramer just got injured and as super bowl quqality team collapsed without him, three times
He was probably hitting the bottle. Tommy was known for having a drinking problem. If that was today, he would have been cut a long time ago.
Love this one…excellent start to finish.
He probably had memories from the previous year.
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Man, that kid is about 40 years old now!
Tommy was great, if you kept him on lite beer before halftime.
He was Two Minute Tommy because he sobered up in the 4th quarter.
wow Tommy. Ok, now i watched the thing. dude needed a nap.
Always liked Kramer! Would like to think it was his way of motivating D to another level because it was Bear week. I was hoping Burns would play him against Skins in 87 playoff didn't happen. Belongs in ring of honor
Why ride Kramer butt and give Tommy Nobis a pass?
Tommy Nobis did the same in 1976 while walking away from the team. Notice Nobis did not play after the 1976 season for anyone.
No retirement farewells in 77 for Nobis, just bye.
It was a different time, but Tommy liked the bottle. I heard stories in Mankato of him being serviced by groupies at bars on the dance floor. His team mates would huddle around to shield the act. The Love Boat Fiasco and Fred Smoot bringing in the dancers on Lake Minnetonka is a good story as well. Mike Tice era was not a good one.
Tommy wasn't a moran or an idiot. He just had a well-known drinking habit. He had his best games when he was a bit "relaxed," though.
Worst comment by a Kramer ever!!!!
Michael Richard’s: hold my beer
He was on pain meds, either prescribed or not he ended up in a rehab in corpus Christi,
Eh, people questioned him only bc Touchdown Tommy was well-known for all-nighters for other less appreciated reasons
He was drunk 🤪
So am I 😊
Tommy Kramer was a pro bowler
Tommy kramer is and will Remain one of my favorite Minnesota, vikings quarterbacks of all time. But to tell the truth, if you don't already know that 2 minute Tommy was a huge drunk, he will admit to himself and he wasn't sleep, he was drunk.
We've all been twere, we were drunk texting. Are drunk calling in the middle of the night?Shut only be too hard on the man but that probably is ninety nine percent of what happened
I'm a lifelong Vikings fan and Tommy Kramer is my favorite all time Viking
Why did he even agree to an interview knowing he wasn’t alert?!
When I saw this title my first thought was : only one moron quarterback, not bad.
Kramer's predecessor was a weasel.
Give Tommy Kramer a break. Us old timers remember he was drunk most of the time.
Tommy Kramer is god
Kramer. Was.excellent. when. Healthy.
A palindrome: Kramer remark: "Stupid! I puts dumb mud on D? No!" Yepo! Dopey!
Ah, Les GROBstein WLS sports! And that's GROB as in ROB. Many a wasted hour listening to The Sports Freaks!
Probably drunk. He was in and out of treatment a few times if memory serves me.
I've met him a few times at my lake place in Mora, MN. He can definitely hold his own with alcohol and had a pretty attractive lady with him with t shirts he would sign and pass out to people. Being a long time Viking fan he is one of few quarterbacks they've had that didn't completely stink, it Christian Ponder. He was cool and I've had good football talks with him on more than one occasion
Does RUclips pay by the word?
Which time? They had a few.
Nothing wrong with tommy...rather watch #9 than c. Ponder
This entire video was a snooze fest.
Tommy was an alcoholic if he would had stopped drinking he would've been good
Loved Kramer. But farve was the best QB we ever had. Not even close. The NFL screwed him and MN GIVING THE SUPERBOWL TO NEW ORLEANS. PC WAS THE TERM NOW IT IS DIVERSITY EQUITY AND RACISM.
WE HAVE MAJOR ISSUES.
24 pack tommy
Kramer was a drunk. I am not sure if he ever sobered up. He is still in town but not really involved with the team. Just some social media sites. And bar events. Draft party's stuff like that. I bet he was drunk or hung over. He was out clubbing all the time. I saw him and Ricky Young at the OZ on St Patrick's day . He was a prick.😅
I would like to see a Lord of the Rings where every single character is black and gay and trans.
Nice
Tommy the tipper.
He sucked no arm threw bottle rockets.
You butchered Grobstein name. The Grobber Chicago radio legend. Wls am 1000 The Score.
I’m going to watch and comment on this tomorrow. In the meantime I want to see if I can delete a response to my post. So if you don’t care about being deleted please respond to this.
You're good
@@OfficialJaguarGator9I have to give a reason, but I don’t want to give you a strike you don’t deserve.
Who can forget Too Drunk Tommy?
TK was better than any QB in Jags history. Your contrived videos are getting lame.
I think Brunell was better, but Kramer was a good QB, and I even said as much, so…?
Just think in 1979 Viking could've drafted Montana in the 2nd Round rather than Dave Huffman and probably Draft Huffman in the 3rd round rather than Steve Dils the next QB drafted after Montana... 1982 Draft Coulda woulda shoulda drafted Marcus Allen rather than Disc Derrin Nelson. Always wonder the direction if they went that direction?
FYI he was a drunk
Would Kramer have snapped to if you were there to yell at him, “I’m sorry, WHAT?!”
And I’ve seen your posts about Kramer’s history of alcoholism. Please don’t bring it up in response to this post.
Tommy Kramer Was A Bad Quarterback With The Minnesota Vikings, Another Quarterback Who Was Bad Was Eric Kramer With Chicago Bears.
Cosmo Kramer would have been a better quarterback than either of them.
You obviously don't know what you are talking about, Tommy Kramer was a very good quarterback, I'm a lifelong Vikings fan
Tommy two- spoons, damn he gave it all
As I recall, he had alcohol issues. But that was a long time ago. Someone might know better.
I’ve typed a paper or two in college and whilst typing caught myself typing nonsense while super tired. And have said nonsense on the phone when really tired. But i usually caught it.