Daniel provides the deepest, most insightful analysis, proving the utter incompetence of the Atlanta Falcons. The only note worth adding is their public rejection coach Belichick, who allegedly wasn’t even in their top-3 candidates. Falcons making a strong case to be the most dysfunctional franchise in the league, with the Panthers and Broncos nipping on their heels.
just shows you have elementary vision and a complete lack of critical thinking.. how did 1st round edge Will McDonald IV do for Jets last year when Jets went all in on an old QB? Oh you want them to reach for edges that went 15-20 but taking a QB at 8 is reaching? classic sheep hypocrisy.. bet Colts, Browns, Bengals, Jets, all wish they had Penix last year when their QB went down
Most fans and Analysis don't know that the ATLANTA FALCONS Defense finished 9 overall and their secondary was 8. Why should we pick a defensive players that high when there's not a game changer available? when our season was tanked by the offence. Atlanta is totaling 19.0 points per game on offense, which ranks them 26th in the league . On defense, the defense ranks ninth, allowing 20.3 points per game. On offense, the Falcons rank 22nd in the with 200.8 passing yards per game. Meanwhile, they rank eighth in passing yards allowed per contest (200.2). Most of the problem was QB, teams that draft with the future in mind stay competitive. As long as you're competitive you will attract better free agents and improve your chances to make it to the Super Bowl. We needed a Qb in order to see if our young talent is as good as we think they're and the best available is 36 year old and at the end of his career. If you find a Qb that you like, pick him. look at the top ten QB, when was they picked and why. I believe it was a great pick.
Why do you care about overpaying? Ir's the owners money. They arent at the cap ceiling. STARTER + BACKUP ROOKIE is typical QB room cost. So, if PENIX BALLS OUT, who cares? If Kirk is healthy and still very good in his late 30s? Then who cares? ... They weren't one defensive player away from winning the Superbowl. But they have insurance at the mist important position.
I’m just kind of confused why the falcons didn’t trade back or wait for a later round to get Penix since he wasn’t really projected to go first round. Maybe I’m stupid but I feel that would’ve been an option
Yes, they definitely should have traded back. Especially being that they already have Kirk Cousins. Even if they lost Penix, their team actually would’ve been much better had they drafted a DT or even Bowers.
@@DravisACard These pundits and their believers don't know what they're talking about thinking that Penix the two year passing leader was not a first round guy.
I thought Purdy was going to come out in 2020, so I really studied him hard that year. The thing that really stuck in my mind was that I'd never seen someone in college with that good of pocket awareness and movement inside the pocket. I'm clearly not a professional scout, so I'm very aware that just because I think I see something, good or bad in a player, doesn't mean that is what I'm seeing. So when Brock ended up as Mr. Irrelevant the following year, I assumed I had been wrong. I now feel vindicated and can say, more than any other perceived talent or skill, it was his movement inside the pocket that stuck in my mind.
I saw Brock play at Iowa State a couple of games, and I thought he was pretty good, better than Mr. Irrelevant that's for sure. (I think I had him going in the 5th round, but I can't remember exactly.) But anyway, my vote for steal of this draft is Jordan Travis going in the 5th. My order of how well these QBs will do in the pros is this: 1) Jayden Daniels, 2) Michael Penix, 3) Caleb Williams, 4) Jordan Travis, 5) Bo Nix, 6) and 7) are Drake Maye and JJ McCarthy (tied). Michael Pratt out of Tulane might make it in the pros. If anything, Caleb Williams will drop down even more than 3.
You want to know why the Eagles won the draft according to DJ? Howie Roseman literally just follows the pundits Big Boards. He's literally tried to "joke" about it. Why is it every year that he "wins the draft", because he's literally probably just on his phone scrolling through best available on ESPN LMAO.
That's what these draft grades have devolved into. All of these internet draft evaluators say the same things and have pretty much the same rankings. They want fans to trust their judgement and that the draft isn't a crapshoot, so they can thrive in the little industry they've built. So if you go outside of it, they'll blast you because it's bad for business. And enough fans will eat it up wondering why their team's GM didn't just do what the "experts" said to do.
The Falcons have factored in the extra cap space projected 2025-26. they will have to justify their choices by contract management of the rest of the roster, maintaining quality in position and depth at good value.
DJ that weakness that you were telling everybody that Philly attacked. Detroit did the exact same thing. And you could make the argument that got the two better corners.
So you saying its ok for the saints to jump the Falcons for Penix when they have Carr… if anybody behind falcons in draft knew Falcons wanted Penix Teams would’ve possibly jumped into the top 10 for QB
There were reports teams were actually trying to jump up to draft him, and beyond that, there were no guarantees he'd be available at #8. And if he wasn't the Falcons would've moved on to the next player on their board. In DJ's world, he wants them to sign someone like Gardner Minshew, roll the dice on Penix being available, and when he's not, the team is stuck with Minshew and Ridder. And when the team says "we thought Penix would be there", he'll likely come on his podcast and say they should've signed Cousins just in case Penix wasn't there. He even suggests they should then give up capital in this scenario to move up if they wanted him and were stuck with Minshew. The level of willful ignorance from him and intentional lack of critical thinking is unreal. He's one of those people that unless you do something step-by-step in a way that's conventional wisdom, he can't see the logic behind it because he has to think beyond those conventional steps. He's proof to me why some guys are just scouts and should never be GMs.
I keep hearing about what the Vikings gave up for McCarthy and Turner but I think most of the analysis misses the point. First, the Vikings were in a tough spot. They made the initial move to pick up #23 because they wanted to situate themselves to be able to present the best possible trade package in case they needed to move up to get one of the QB’s they really wanted. Pre-draft, the worst outcome of picking up #23 was that they would actually need to use it to trade up. The best outcome was that they would not be forced to use it to trade up and were then able to pick a good player. Second, the Vikings did NOT pay #23 + #42 + #188 + 2025 2nd + #167 + 2025 3rd + 2025 4th and other picks to go up 6 spots. They already had the #23 pick so to move up 6 spots in the First Round to get Dallas Turner they traded #167 + 2025 3rd + 2025 4th. Basically, they traded #42 + #188 + 2025 2nd + #167 + 2025 3rd + 2025 4th to move up 25 spots to #17. Third, yes moving from #11 to #10 was a small overpay, but it was significantly less of an overpay than moving up to #4 or #5 to pick the same player. Fourth, all of the trades take separately were not really that egregious. I know it is out dated but using the most basic Jimmy Johnson value chart: 1) Texans Trade: (#42 + #188 + 2025 2nd) is very close to (#23 + #232) 2) Jets Trade: (#11 + #129 + #157) is small overpay for (#10 + #203) 3) Jaguars Trade: (#23 + #167 + 2025 3rd + 2025 4th) is almost equal to the (#17). Finally, yes, the Vikings have very few picks in the next years draft but they were able to get their Franchise QB (at least in their eyes) and a blue chip pass rusher without giving up more than a single first round pick. Add to that, the fact that they bit the bullet with Cousins void years dead money and put themselves in position to have a lot of cap room next year even with the signing of Justin Jeffers (assuming that happens).
I don't get why everyone is hating on the falcons pick. Not a fan of them but I understand why they would do that. Cousins would be the perfect mentor whether he wants to or not
I like what Atlanta did they don’t want to be in QB purgatory anymore. Let look at the Saints post Breeze? Or Pittsburgh post Ben or Atlanta post Ryan. Now they have a top 10 starting qb with arguably the best backup.
Penix has quite an extensive injury history so even if he does start there is a good chance he is going to be missing games due to injury and cousins can come in.
The Falcons got the extra cap space, evaluated their roster, and paid the money to get two QBs who they believe will be instant starters if needed. they have insurance in the position. Penix may well be starting by november and cousins backing up as mentor, and he may be happy to do this role collecting his guarantee.
There’s a scenario where Atlanta could cash out on Cousins at the trade deadline or in the offseason. Not likely, but the potential return could be big
A second problem, DJ, with this system is that some teams have multiple top 150 picks. This obviously gives them an advantage as they would have naturally more points within your 150. I think sometimes you guys like to come up with things so that you can put winners and loserson prospects that have never played a snap in the NFL. This Hass to be one of the most in and ridiculous concepts in modern sports.
What the Falcons did can only be explained in one of two ways - Owner interference, or General Manager Malpractice. I've a hunch that some day, we're going to hear that Arthur Blank forced one or both of these moves because he had PTSD from the last few years of bad quarterbacking. But if he didn't, this move is so bad in every way and from every angle that it would signal that that organization fundamentally does not know how to assemble a contending team. If this move wasn't forced by Blank, then Fontenot should be fired immediately. Both the Cousins route and the Penix route make sense independently (though I don't think Penix is that good, if Atlanta did, they should follow their board)...but each of these moves undermines the other. If you pay Cousins, you need to be brutally efficient with your use of draft resources and remaining cap space to produce a winner. If you draft Penix, you need that cheap rookie deal and the $100M to build the roster around him. By doing both, you have neither. What you have is a really valuable player sitting on the sideline, regardless of whether that player is Penix or Cousins. And it's about to get worse because Atlanta might get dinged for tampering and lose even more draft capital.
The problem with your numbering system, DJ, is that your system? Does it account for team need and team scheme. So while I love your idea and your 150 the idea to put a point value on each one is a fallacy.
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Daniel provides the deepest, most insightful analysis, proving the utter incompetence of the Atlanta Falcons. The only note worth adding is their public rejection coach Belichick, who allegedly wasn’t even in their top-3 candidates. Falcons making a strong case to be the most dysfunctional franchise in the league, with the Panthers and Broncos nipping on their heels.
As a Falcons fan I regrettably agree
just shows you have elementary vision and a complete lack of critical thinking.. how did 1st round edge Will McDonald IV do for Jets last year when Jets went all in on an old QB? Oh you want them to reach for edges that went 15-20 but taking a QB at 8 is reaching? classic sheep hypocrisy.. bet Colts, Browns, Bengals, Jets, all wish they had Penix last year when their QB went down
@@hack.nicklaus it shoes you have no idea how to run a business or have financial responsibility
The Jets exist lol
Most fans and Analysis don't know that the ATLANTA FALCONS Defense finished 9 overall and their secondary was 8. Why should we pick a defensive players that high when there's not a game changer available? when our season was tanked by the offence. Atlanta is totaling 19.0 points per game on offense, which ranks them 26th in the league . On defense, the defense ranks ninth, allowing 20.3 points per game. On offense, the Falcons rank 22nd in the with 200.8 passing yards per game. Meanwhile, they rank eighth in passing yards allowed per contest (200.2). Most of the problem was QB, teams that draft with the future in mind stay competitive. As long as you're competitive you will attract better free agents and improve your chances to make it to the Super Bowl. We needed a Qb in order to see if our young talent is as good as we think they're and the best available is 36 year old and at the end of his career. If you find a Qb that you like, pick him. look at the top ten QB, when was they picked and why. I believe it was a great pick.
The model the Falcons are following is the Ryan Pace model. Mike Glennon and Trubisky, Dalton and Fields. I wonder who gave them that idea. 😂
Loved the steelers draft this year, omar was cooking again
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Why do you care about overpaying? Ir's the owners money. They arent at the cap ceiling. STARTER + BACKUP ROOKIE is typical QB room cost. So, if PENIX BALLS OUT, who cares? If Kirk is healthy and still very good in his late 30s? Then who cares? ... They weren't one defensive player away from winning the Superbowl. But they have insurance at the mist important position.
I’m just kind of confused why the falcons didn’t trade back or wait for a later round to get Penix since he wasn’t really projected to go first round. Maybe I’m stupid but I feel that would’ve been an option
You just don't trade back for a qb.
1. Someone else could be higher on them
2. If you don't like him at that pick. Why take him at all
Yes, they definitely should have traded back. Especially being that they already have Kirk Cousins. Even if they lost Penix, their team actually would’ve been much better had they drafted a DT or even Bowers.
Trade back? Nah...he would've been gone. Three other teams were trying to move up to grab him.
Simple, he wasn't going to be available. You've been listening to too many pundits thinking he'd be available in the later rounds.
@@DravisACard These pundits and their believers don't know what they're talking about thinking that Penix the two year passing leader was not a first round guy.
I thought Purdy was going to come out in 2020, so I really studied him hard that year. The thing that really stuck in my mind was that I'd never seen someone in college with that good of pocket awareness and movement inside the pocket. I'm clearly not a professional scout, so I'm very aware that just because I think I see something, good or bad in a player, doesn't mean that is what I'm seeing. So when Brock ended up as Mr. Irrelevant the following year, I assumed I had been wrong. I now feel vindicated and can say, more than any other perceived talent or skill, it was his movement inside the pocket that stuck in my mind.
I saw Brock play at Iowa State a couple of games, and I thought he was pretty good, better than Mr. Irrelevant that's for sure. (I think I had him going in the 5th round, but I can't remember exactly.) But anyway, my vote for steal of this draft is Jordan Travis going in the 5th.
My order of how well these QBs will do in the pros is this: 1) Jayden Daniels, 2) Michael Penix, 3) Caleb Williams, 4) Jordan Travis, 5) Bo Nix, 6) and 7) are Drake Maye and JJ McCarthy (tied). Michael Pratt out of Tulane might make it in the pros. If anything, Caleb Williams will drop down even more than 3.
unfortunately measurable traits like height are what get you drafted high. Sometimes the tape doesn't matter if you don't look the part for NFL scouts
Put him on the Panthers then talk to me lol
@@Jessdogg-j1i Panthers are a bad college team
@@shanemccarthy3170 and lol
draft is very interesting, anticipating new season , enjoy commentary.
You want to know why the Eagles won the draft according to DJ? Howie Roseman literally just follows the pundits Big Boards. He's literally tried to "joke" about it. Why is it every year that he "wins the draft", because he's literally probably just on his phone scrolling through best available on ESPN LMAO.
Yes we get it you watch nick wright. It's worked pretty well seeing as they've won a supwrbowl and been to another
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If you’re filling ESPN’s big board, you’re in trouble
Literally
That's what these draft grades have devolved into. All of these internet draft evaluators say the same things and have pretty much the same rankings. They want fans to trust their judgement and that the draft isn't a crapshoot, so they can thrive in the little industry they've built. So if you go outside of it, they'll blast you because it's bad for business. And enough fans will eat it up wondering why their team's GM didn't just do what the "experts" said to do.
The Falcons are betting on not having any top ten picks in the next few years so they pulled the trigger now and got their guy.
💯 exactly!
When CC the QB asks for 60 million in two years, the falcons say you're good, try and find that money, we got our guy.
The Falcons have factored in the extra cap space projected 2025-26. they will have to justify their choices by contract management of the rest of the roster, maintaining quality in position and depth at good value.
It says full NFL draft recap and yet almost the entire video is about the first round quarterbacks
Bears got two of Daniel’s top 3 players on his big board
DJ that weakness that you were telling everybody that Philly attacked. Detroit did the exact same thing. And you could make the argument that got the two better corners.
So you saying its ok for the saints to jump the Falcons for Penix when they have Carr… if anybody behind falcons in draft knew Falcons wanted Penix Teams would’ve possibly jumped into the top 10 for QB
There were reports teams were actually trying to jump up to draft him, and beyond that, there were no guarantees he'd be available at #8. And if he wasn't the Falcons would've moved on to the next player on their board. In DJ's world, he wants them to sign someone like Gardner Minshew, roll the dice on Penix being available, and when he's not, the team is stuck with Minshew and Ridder. And when the team says "we thought Penix would be there", he'll likely come on his podcast and say they should've signed Cousins just in case Penix wasn't there. He even suggests they should then give up capital in this scenario to move up if they wanted him and were stuck with Minshew.
The level of willful ignorance from him and intentional lack of critical thinking is unreal. He's one of those people that unless you do something step-by-step in a way that's conventional wisdom, he can't see the logic behind it because he has to think beyond those conventional steps. He's proof to me why some guys are just scouts and should never be GMs.
I don't get all the post-draft discussion about the offensive players. It was known in January that the defensive class was super weak.
I keep hearing about what the Vikings gave up for McCarthy and Turner but I think most of the analysis misses the point.
First, the Vikings were in a tough spot. They made the initial move to pick up #23 because they wanted to situate themselves to be able to present the best possible trade package in case they needed to move up to get one of the QB’s they really wanted.
Pre-draft, the worst outcome of picking up #23 was that they would actually need to use it to trade up. The best outcome was that they would not be forced to use it to trade up and were then able to pick a good player.
Second, the Vikings did NOT pay #23 + #42 + #188 + 2025 2nd + #167 + 2025 3rd + 2025 4th and other picks to go up 6 spots. They already had the #23 pick so to move up 6 spots in the First Round to get Dallas Turner they traded #167 + 2025 3rd + 2025 4th.
Basically, they traded #42 + #188 + 2025 2nd + #167 + 2025 3rd + 2025 4th to move up 25 spots to #17.
Third, yes moving from #11 to #10 was a small overpay, but it was significantly less of an overpay than moving up to #4 or #5 to pick the same player.
Fourth, all of the trades take separately were not really that egregious.
I know it is out dated but using the most basic Jimmy Johnson value chart:
1) Texans Trade: (#42 + #188 + 2025 2nd) is very close to (#23 + #232)
2) Jets Trade: (#11 + #129 + #157) is small overpay for (#10 + #203)
3) Jaguars Trade: (#23 + #167 + 2025 3rd + 2025 4th) is almost equal to the (#17).
Finally, yes, the Vikings have very few picks in the next years draft but they were able to get their Franchise QB (at least in their eyes) and a blue chip pass rusher without giving up more than a single first round pick. Add to that, the fact that they bit the bullet with Cousins void years dead money and put themselves in position to have a lot of cap room next year even with the signing of Justin Jeffers (assuming that happens).
I don't get why everyone is hating on the falcons pick. Not a fan of them but I understand why they would do that. Cousins would be the perfect mentor whether he wants to or not
commanders got the best qb no cap
Lmfao
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He will be because he was 2nd q.b picked and he will be pissed about. He's going to blow Washington up with his fire
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Just because pundits underrated Penix doesn't mean the teams did.
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28:06 Love how DJ said screw dancing around this topic, let’s rip the Falcons a bit
I like what Atlanta did they don’t want to be in QB purgatory anymore. Let look at the Saints post Breeze? Or Pittsburgh post Ben or Atlanta post Ryan. Now they have a top 10 starting qb with arguably the best backup.
Penix has quite an extensive injury history so even if he does start there is a good chance he is going to be missing games due to injury and cousins can come in.
The Falcons got the extra cap space, evaluated their roster, and paid the money to get two QBs who they believe will be instant starters if needed. they have insurance in the position. Penix may well be starting by november and cousins backing up as mentor, and he may be happy to do this role collecting his guarantee.
Is Rhett a Raiders fan? Nice! Just win baby!
As far as 2025 QBs go, Jalen Milroe could wind up looking real real enticing.
Ravens had a good draft, won’t get much media attention but improved
Ravens consistently every year
@@Healthweathhappiness2024 have a good front office. Now some of the old front office is in LA with the Chargers. Funny how the business works
The Broncos had a great draft ngl
Washington Loves picking Heisman winners at 2.
There’s a scenario where Atlanta could cash out on Cousins at the trade deadline or in the offseason. Not likely, but the potential return could be big
Lol
DJ is spot on with The Falcons picks of Penix. So stupid to waste a pick on a team that hasn’t had a winning record since 2017. That’s so stupid.
A second problem, DJ, with this system is that some teams have multiple top 150 picks. This obviously gives them an advantage as they would have naturally more points within your 150. I think sometimes you guys like to come up with things so that you can put winners and loserson prospects that have never played a snap in the NFL. This Hass to be one of the most in and ridiculous concepts in modern sports.
What the Falcons did can only be explained in one of two ways - Owner interference, or General Manager Malpractice.
I've a hunch that some day, we're going to hear that Arthur Blank forced one or both of these moves because he had PTSD from the last few years of bad quarterbacking. But if he didn't, this move is so bad in every way and from every angle that it would signal that that organization fundamentally does not know how to assemble a contending team. If this move wasn't forced by Blank, then Fontenot should be fired immediately.
Both the Cousins route and the Penix route make sense independently (though I don't think Penix is that good, if Atlanta did, they should follow their board)...but each of these moves undermines the other. If you pay Cousins, you need to be brutally efficient with your use of draft resources and remaining cap space to produce a winner. If you draft Penix, you need that cheap rookie deal and the $100M to build the roster around him. By doing both, you have neither. What you have is a really valuable player sitting on the sideline, regardless of whether that player is Penix or Cousins.
And it's about to get worse because Atlanta might get dinged for tampering and lose even more draft capital.
A lot of disrespect to The Colts, not even mentioned and has a great draft
Must be a humbling period for guys like you when the draft is over and people compare and contrast huh?
Kansas City should not be allowed to have draft picks anymore
Only way Atlanta looks smart is if they pull a nick foles
Is Rhett a Raider fan?
both Bucky and Rhett cover the Raiders.
The problem with your numbering system, DJ, is that your system? Does it account for team need and team scheme. So while I love your idea and your 150 the idea to put a point value on each one is a fallacy.
Atlanta should have traded for Justin Fields and then draft Penix. You can let Fields start this first year and would have been much cheaper as well.
We wait for rugby vs f..tball american without elmet
If it wasn’t Penix who is Kirk’s backup? What would happen if Kirk misses the first couple of games? You think anybody going back to Desmond ridder?
Drake maye win Super Bowl believe me 👍🏼
You’d be a fool to think Ryan Poles didn’t consider Calen declaring for the draft in 2024 last year
Talked top 10 but not the Vikings at 10 lmao
they did, it was brief, but they did. Listen to it again
How do you WIN a draft - what a stupid concept…not ONE of the players has played one snap in the NFL. Smh
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Colts won the draft
Agreed
Preach
Not even close.
Why does a multi billion dollar conglomerate make shows that look like any other random amateur on RUclips
No one here can compete with Taylor Swift.
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Colts had the best draft of any team the last decade
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Adonai feels like a bust