How a P-51 Mustang Ace STOLE an Enemy Fighter (The Real Life Top Gun)
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The is the story of a real life version of Maverick from Top Gun - Bruce Carr and the incredible story how he stole a German FW-190. This was made using the World War II flight simulator IL-2 Sturmovik Great Battles series. Hope you enjoy! Please like, comment, and subscribe. #WW2 #WWIIHistory
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Proud to say Bruce Carr was a friend of mine... Thinking of him and all the stories he told me both of world war II Korea and then Vietnam where he actually flew with my father.
That ineligible first kill seems extremely unfair as many a fighter pilot received credit for a kill if their opponent is driven into the ground during an engagement even though a shot was never fired. Actually, a review of how the American Air Force designates a confirmed kill would be another cool segment, TJ! Jim C.
Agreed, I certainly would think it would count as a kill!
I differ. If you out fly your enemy and force them to crash, you are the one responsible for their crash.
It's called maneuvering kill because the pilot caused the loss of the other aircraft to become a loss by their actions with necessarily firing against them.
Chuck Yeager got "ace in a day" two of his kills where fighters that collided maneuvering when got got behind them.
Although he didn't shoot then down those two planes going down was a direct result of his actions. He definitely should be credited with the result.
I’d call that the aerial equivalent of hand-to-hand combat.
I remember reading about this in my high school library way back when. I idolized WW2 pilots and still do. Just now found out that Captain Carr passed away in my old home town of St. Cloud. You learn something new every day.
You would think the ground forces would recognize it's an American pilot because of the epic music that escorted him.
Where the fuck is the german aircraft he flew and landed now? That’s American property!!
Nobody talks about that!! The U.S. should reveal where its located!!!.. That’s the proof but I don’t see any!! So the story is bullshit!!
very good, yes
An extreme example of adapt and overcome. This man should be a legend.
During WWII the aerobatic pilot Bob Hoover also stole a FW 190 after escaping a Stalag Luft, and flew part of the way back to Allied territory in the Netherlands.
I was just thinking the same thing
Didn’t a similar thing happen in the Great Escape?
EDIT: my bad it _was_ the Great Escape
Chuck Yeager once said that Bob Hoover was the best pilot he ever knew. Quite the complement.
Bob talks about it in his book, "Forever Flying".
Talks about stealing the F190 and flying it out of Germany.
Also talks about how he was originally slotted to fly the Bell X1 (Chuck Yeager was originally No. 2) to break the sound barrier, but got busted to number two, because of a stunt he pulled in a P51, to impress some girls. That stunt allowed Chuck Yeager to be bumped to No. 1 slot.
I met him SEVERAL times, as a kid, at airshows. Then, a few times, later in life, when I was flying for the Air Force. Hell of a nice guy!
That man was amazing! God rest his soul and all those who died saving the world from tyranny. My grandfather was an aircraft maintenance chief and aviation engineer.
I don't understand how his first aerial victory didn't count - the plane went down because of him, I'd be interested to hear what the actual criteria for claiming a victory is? Great vid as always 👌
If every US kill claim was a genuine kill, the Luftwaffe had to be 3x it’s actual size.
And a kill at that time had to be witnessed to be confirmed. Cameras came later
So who did get credit? No one?!
It's kind of cold like whatever your squadron leader or the overall Officer says is a Kill because there were plenty of other accounts where that would have totally counted as a kill in many other squadrons they're known as maneuver kills or something akin to that nature. If that engagement happened exactly as the story describes realistically he absolutely should have been credited with the kill but he wasn't and you can't really argue with your chain of command unfortunately
@@davidelliott5843 It was. Many of the kills German pilots recorded were hits. Even if the damaged plane got away and landed at base, it was marked as a kill.
Could you imagine the anxiety he must've endured spending that night in the FW-190's cockpit? Desperately doing his best to study and figure out the controls. Praying no Germans approach too closely to the aircraft, as he sits right there under the nose of the enemy.
Don't forget that RA Bob Hoover did the same thing. Plus entertaining us all flying his aerobatic routines in everything from T-39 Sabreliner, to his Rockwell Shrike Commander, and his P-51D that also started every Unlimited Class Air Race until he lost his medical in his 80s! He was also, with Chuck Yeager, a primary pilot on the Bell X-1, and was Chuck's chase pilot on the day he broke the speed of sound. 1500 of his closest friends attended his Memorial Service when he passed. Hammer
I've been a "Wingnut" for over 50 years, especially love WW1 & WW2 aircraft and stories. I really enjoy your videos, you are always accurate with the facts, and deliver good, informative entertainment. Much love and respect, and God bless you.
Wow! What a cool story! As a pilot, however, it’s hard to believe he couldn’t lower the landing gear. The gear would be one of the most obvious controls in the cockpit. I’m gonna find an FW-190 cockpit layout and figure it out.
The FW-190 had push button controls for the flaps and landing gear that would have been below his left arm below the throttle, which would have been out of his line of sight, and marked in German. Totally different design to anything even modern day. Even modern day fast jets still use a very obvious mechanical lever to operate the landing gear.
I'm more surprised he managed to raise the gear and not be able to lower it though. He clearly already figured out the controls if he was able to raise the gear.
I suspect he might have put off lowering his landing gear when he dove to evade AA fire and ended up forgetting to lower the landing gear due to task saturation and the high stress environment.
This is an awesome video 👍. Wonder if it’s possible today ( present ) to do that just like what maverick and rooster did when they stole an F-14 in order to survive and escape enemy territory.
Classic tale of semi-crazy hero stuff! Note: a "grounds crew" takes care of a baseball field. A ground crew services an aircraft.
Just unbelievable. The determination this man had, the balls, the skill. One bad ass dude..!!
I used to have a copy of a pamphlet that explained how to start and fly a FW 190 so it is possible that Carr and Bob Hoover might have had some understanding of how to start and operate the FW.
Not the only one, R.A. BOB Hover also stole a German aircraft after escaping a POW camp.....🙃
Famous US pilot and stunt flier Bob Hoover also stole an FW 190 after escaping from a POW camp. Had I been a ranking Luftwaffe officer, I would have been absolutely mortified at the ease with which these "Amis" stole our front line fighters for a ride home!🤣
Another example of a true story being WTF more cool than any fiction!
Way to go Lt. - er, Colonel Carr!
Didn’t Bob Hoover do the same thing? He was captured after being shot down but eventually escaped the stalag and stole a plane. This was right before the war’s end
Yes, he did, although Hoover was flying a Mark V Spitfire when he was shot down, and spent 16 months as a POW before helping to orchestrate an escape. He also stole a Fw.190, but it was an unarmed recon variant that was damaged. It did have a full tank of fuel, however, so Hoover and the two other POWs escaping with him forced the German mechanic to start the engine, and Hoover, ignoring the runway, just put the throttle forward and took off from the rough field. Hoover was a far better pilot than Carr, although that's not saying much -- Hoover was a far better pilot than *anybody*.
SMW you took the words right out of my mouth. This guy should do a lil more research before he says Carr is the only one to ever do something in that nature. In the Great words of James Doolittle, Bob Hoover is the best stick & rudder guy to ever live. He what you would call The Pilot's Pilot! I honestly feel that kids should learn who Bob Hoover is in History class.
Blue Skies BoB 💙 RIP
@@kashmoney494 Oh, man….I just finished a small bit of a book about the 101st Airborne in WWII (“Vanguard of the Crusade, the 101st Airborne in WWII. The commanders of the Division said only one Medal of Honor per entire unit in any one campaign. In the part of this book on just Normandy, he singles out (so far, I just got started) a guy NO ONE has ever heard of and all this dude got (like Dick Winters) was the DSC. He essentially single handily went into several “barracks” (consisting of various old stone buildings in a tiny village) going to room to room killing Germans. He got a little help from mostly reluctant allies but it was pretty much him. He personally killed nearly 100 German troops (a Sargent he did have a Thompson). Several guys who attempted to help were shot and this guy did not get a scratch. He later said he would not have done this again. Unreal, but true. There are numerous such stories in that war (and other wars). I know I would not have made it out of boot camp
yes he did kinda NOT in P51- MUSTANG ! Bob was great got to meet him back in 80's in fla. at a air show after the dead stick loop in a aero commander my dad sold planes and had known him for a few years
@@xkgbciax5286 well that’s cool
Very good use of flight simulation footage to illustrate such a unique story.
I look forward to working my way through previous episodes and seeing what else you have covered, cheers, Mysticpuma
Hey TJ, thank you for bringing us this story. Mr. Carr was the man! Too ad he couldn't get the landing gear down, that plane would have made a great trophy and learning tool. TJ you are the Carr of WW2 history videos.
Haha I appreciate that!
Don't forget Bob Hoover. He was captured a after bailing out, and went to a POW camp. He escaped the camp and stole an FW-190 and flew it to the Netherlands.
Bob Hoover also stole an FW190 after being a POW. He was shot down by a German Ace of Aces, with 70 spitfire kills to his name. Check out the Bob Hoover Project - Flying the Feathered Edge.
With the huge balls Lieutenant Carr had, I'm surprised the plane could get off the ground! I can just imagine the hell the ground crew of the German airbase went through.
Bob Hoover did the same thing. He is the guy who did the Amazing dead stick aerobatics in a Rockwell AeroCommander. Probably the best pilot in the entire world.
Great storie.
Have you ever considered making a video of the The Story of James P. Muri, the B-26 pilot who buzzed the flight deck of Japanese Aircraft Carrier Akagi during the Battle of Midway ?
AWESOME Video TJ well worth the wait. Can't wait to see what you have coming for us next. Enjoy your weekend and Keep em flying.
well done. Incredible true story. Flying a high powered radial must be very different from the In-line of the Mustang.. What an amazing pilot. Beautiful recreation of these events and the P51 in flight.
What an intriguing story there should be a movie made about this., This is absolutely incredible and amazing. Maybe they should write a book and make a movie about something this unique
Great story! Want another one? Check out Jack Ilfrey (Book: Happy Jack's Go Buggy) and his escape in his own P-38 after landing in a neutral country. It is total Hollywood!
Didn't Bob Hoover escape from a German POW camp and fly a fw190 back to an American air field?
Yep!
Bob Hoover exhausted his fuel and landed gear up in a field in Holland I think.
He landed gear down but was headed for a ditch so he retracted it to avoid flipping upside down. He was held by locals until a British patrol happened by.
Hey, 100k subs is outstanding. Thank you TJ and great job.
As usual fantastic story and told so well . Thanks TJ
Bob Hoover did this as well. Several stories of aviators stealing planes and making it back.
I have read that American pilots landing and picking up downed American pilot was not uncommon. I regret not asking the man that taught me to fly RC in 1971 about his experience as a WW2 P-51 fighter pilot.
What a kool story with a great ending, T/Y Mr. Carr for your bravery and guts!
What a great story.
More of them please. I cannot find these stories in history book.
Congrats on 100k!
I have been watching your videos since I was 11 and when you had 38k subs...
Smashing video as always!
Always glad to see your comments! Thanks for being here for the ride!
Just by watching this vid, so it is possible to steal an enemy aircraft in order to survive as well as escape enemy territory! Carr is amazing. And yes I’ve seen top gun maverick.
Congrats on 100,000 subs man, you deserved this long ago.
Thanks a ton!
He had a story of a life time
Enjoyed your video and I gave it a Thumbs Up
What an amazing story. Thanks for sharing.
Awesome stuff thanks for sharing this!
An incredible tale to be sure but the history and tech part of me wonders. What became of the Fw-190 afterwards?
Great story that has escaped me till now. Thank you
Excellent stuff bro
Great story, love your work.
Glad you enjoy it!
Outstanding video and presentation.
It never happened.
I knew Bruce pretty well in my 14 years as secretary of the American Fighter Aces Assn. The historian, Bill Hess, and I tried to find documentation such as a missing aircrew report, and it did not exist. Finally some other aces from the 354th FG asked Bruce to stop telling the story because they knew it was bogus.
Here's what happened:
Shortly AFTER VE Day the group was based in Germany. Bruce visited a nearby RAF field and asked to borrow a repaired 190. He flew it to his base, and collapsed one of the main mounts on landing. There's a RUclips video of the event.
I think the story was first published in a "man's magazine" (True?) when I was in high school in 19mumble-mumble. Since then it's been printed in other magazines and is all over the internet. Much like the myth of the 357th's Bill Overstreet chasing a 109 under the Eiffel Tower! (I was acquainted with him--a nicer gent you'd never meet.)
Now that everybody has passed on, I'll relate the last conversation I had with Bruce. He'd been flying a Mustang (without the burden of a current airman's certificate!) but hadn't told his wife. He confided, "I don't know how I'm going to tell Barbara about the $12,000 fuel bill!"
Quite the character.
Amazing how a tall tale has grown out of control, to the point where it is even used as an example of "escape and evade" at the U.S. Airforce Academy! Everyone therefore assumes that it's true.....but it's totally not. The fact that it's not, takes nothing away from Bruce Carr- he was still an American hero, a bona fide ace pilot. It's kind of frustrating that so called historians continue to spread this apocryphal story- without digging a little deeper- the truth is out there, easily found. Yes indeed- even on You Tube!
Wow, what a great story, Bruce Carr is the man.
Something similar happened before this. A group on American pilots were being transported by Italians on an Italian transport. The Americans high jacked the plane and flew to an allied airbase. Didn't steal a plane but still...
That is remarkable. Consider how flimsy Italian bombers and transports were built. A Fiat airplane? LOL.
If I’m correct, the Italians after they landed opened a bottle of wine, handed it to the Americans, and basically told them good job. The Italians respected the brave Americans for what they did and rewarded them with some wine.
@@TLBgaming0330 Hittler was so furious at the Italians surrendering without fighting at all in Sicily and souther Italy. He invaded Italy too in anger.
@@emergencylowmaneuvering7350 and thus, a civil war broke out in Italy between the Nationalists led by Mussolini (who was essentially a puppet for Germany now) and loyalists led by the king who fought for the Allies. I heard of an Italian Ace who scored kill on both sides of the war legitimately. On one side, he shot down Allied planes but after the civil war broke out, he switched sides and shot down Axis planes on behalf of the Allies. Imagine being an Allied pilot flying alongside someone who a couple of years earlier was shooting down your own forces.
Sell outs were called Turncoats by G Washington in 1778. Turning their allied coats and wearing the enemy one now. LOL. Turncoats always side with the side that is winning. Regarless. Sellouts.
Enjoyed it very much thanks!
The airfield crew who somehow let an aircraft vanish must've gotten hell for that, and i dont say that lightly
Congrats on 100 k!!
damn... i hoped you would tell us if he had described how those two airplanes were in comparison... he must have told someone!!! But, loved this one, my thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
An incredible story. Though if he managed to figure out how to lift the landing gear up after take off, why couldent he have just reversed the procedure to drop it?..
That was a question on my mind too.
Maybe he tried the same button but it wasn't working
Or it was due to stress and reflex's wanted to kick in without thinking due to him being trained in and flying a P-51
I was thinking the same thing.
theres a story about it it failed who ever put the up vid and thank you, did not research all the info 3 great sites have lots more to add as does wiki
100k subscribers! Let's go!!!!!
Woooo!
😳awesome👍!!
There's an even wilder story about a group of Russian POWs who escaped from certain death, had a shoot out with German troops at an airfield in Poland, stole a bomber and somehow managed to evade the much faster fighter planes sent after them.
Was this the Devyatatevs story?
@@Bmuenks31
Yep.
The true story that inspired that F-14 scene in "Top Gun Maverick".
It was risky but surprised Carr managed to pull it off so credit to him. Is it possible today with jets ( other that the f14 scene from TGM )? Maybe! Maybe not! Who knows?
Great story. Hadn't heard of Carr's experience.
airfield commander : ????
flak operator: ?????
Pilot: I have changed the aircraft
Bob Hoover stole a German fighter and escaped from being a prisoner of war. Also in a FW 190.
The American Bob Hoovers story is better breaks out of a pow camp in Germany steals a plane from a field then flys it along the coast to Holland lands then the locals come out with pitchforks and guns thinking he is German and a British patrol drives up and rescues him from the mob then goes on to be one of the best test pilots that have ever lived
Nice video!
Thanks!
I wonder if Carr ever met Kurt Tank to thank him personally for making the Fw190, such a fine aircraft which looked after its pilot so well.
If he had been forced to steal a Bf109 he would have needed all his skill to avoid a possible mishap on take-off. The 109 required a boot on the rudder pedals at take-off to negate the engine torque effect which led to ground looping and worse in the hands of inexperienced pilots.
This is incredible
Wonder what strange nuance of control set up in the FW 190 would allow him to retract the gear but not use the same lever to extend.
On another note, the Top Gun movies, from a dogfight point of view, would be a lot more believable and realistic in a WW2 timeline.
While I myself am not a pilot I've seen that in the light planes my friends flew the controls can be slightly different. For example, most Cessnas have electric gear and only require that the LG switch be raised or lowered. A friend's Mooney M20C however had a bar that one raised or lowered.
The flaps on some planes could be operated electrically requiring only the positioning of a switch, but on that Mooney for example, the pilot has to first select "up" or "down" on a hydraulic valve and then pump a small lever under the dash.
The aircraft of the 1940s would have had many more differences as industrial standards were not as well adopted as these technologies were still developing.
@@HiroNguy so how did he raise the gear after take off, and not know how to lower it on landing? To belly land, you'd have to first know how to raise the gear after take off.
@@albertabirdman Not so! It could be 2 separate valves or switches on that aircraft. This was before many of today's international industrial standards were adopted and each manufacturer did things their own unique, weird way as they found convenient.
Actually, in the FW190 it's a totally different command as the landing gear uses an electric motor to go up but a simple release using gravity and springs to go down. After his belly landing, Carr was explaining his problem to his fellow pilots and one of them pointed to a lever, pulled it and, bam!, the wheels came down!
@@TheIndianalain Thank you!
WOW what a story!!!
Fantastic story ….. the difference between a 20 year old then and now is enormous.
I know the Allie’s had several fw 190 , but did they already have one before this delivery 🚚?
Yes, read the history of Arnim Faber.
Now this would be a great movie.
at 4:56 the plane started to tilt because of his weight shifting the plane.
My Pop worked in the coal mines for 20 years. The Superintendent was a fighter pilot instructor for 3 years. He told of a day when he was taking a batch of trainees on a 'hog hunt'. They were literally shooting wild pigs with their P47 Thunderbolt!
Command had neglected to mention that cameras had been installed and would record every time the guns were fired. He was verbally 'dressed ' down and the Colonel told him it was the best exhibition of shooting he had ever seen.
The next day when Cecil approached his Thunderbolt his saw that 7 pig silhouettes had been painted on the plane.
No wonder our guys in the P47's were such crack shots! Hitting a running pig is a skill the Germans NOR the Japanese could match! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
That’s a pretty bold statement considering that some of the German pilots flew 10 or 20 times as many combat missions as the Allied pilots. Guessing Hans Rudel for one was pretty good at that.
@@thomashawkins9380 That guy was a super pilot. He destroyed over 700 soviet vehicles. Shot down over a dozen times and ran back under fire for weeks and then flew again to keep firing at more vehicles. Rudell.
@@emergencylowmaneuvering7350 I’m aware. But he was also a fanatical NAZI so there’s that…
Chuck Yeager did same thing in a P39 during training in Northern California!
The film that the stills shown at the end of the video comes from was filmed in May 1945, the flight took place after the war ended you can look it up, its online. Carr never stole an fw190, he just crash landed a captured one.
no that is one of a few pics not from a film they have of that plane on that day with this guy ! On November 2nd 1944, LT. Carr took off on a mission and was shot down by flak while strafing ground targets over Czechoslovakia. He bailed out and landed near a Luftwaffe field with the intent of surrendering to the Luftwaffe troops, but it was becoming dark just as he got there. From the trees he watched as two mechanics fueled up an FW 190, and hatched a daring plan to escape by stealing that plane.
Near dawn he snuck out and jumped in the cockpit. Through experimentation, Carr was able to start the plane, and with Luftwaffe personnel already coming out to see what was going on he gunned it across a corner of the field on a path that had him pass between two hangars before he was airborne.
Managing to make it back to his home field in France, Carr was unable to lower the landing gear and was forced to make a belly up landing. www.airforcemag.com/article/valor-thanks-luftwaffe/
@@xkgbciax5286 not true, you're just repeating the myth, the pics show Carr clean in a dress uniform walking around the hybrid 190 (F-8 with an early A gun cowel) which is the one in the video. It didn't happen.
As a trained and experienced avaitor there shouldnt be much of a prob flying another plane and not to mention the basic controls are the same weather a spitfire,mustang or me 109
The British captured a number of German aircraft when pilots got disoriented. Severn and Thames Estuaries are wide enough for pilots to think they are over the English Channel. One landed in Devon and demanded crews refill his fuel tanks. A British sergeant demanded the pilot surrender, gifting RAF his FW-190.
What an amazing story.
What a great story.
You are to aviation history what @MrBallen is to the strange, dark and mysterious. Beautifully told and beautifully acted out in cinematic detail.
Thank you!
Con Spiracy also has dark and strange tales on u tube.
@@carlwessels2671 On November 2nd 1944, LT. Carr took off on a mission and was shot down by flak while strafing ground targets over Czechoslovakia. He bailed out and landed near a Luftwaffe field with the intent of surrendering to the Luftwaffe troops, but it was becoming dark just as he got there. From the trees he watched as two mechanics fueled up an FW 190, and hatched a daring plan to escape by stealing that plane.
Near dawn he snuck out and jumped in the cockpit. Through experimentation, Carr was able to start the plane, and with Luftwaffe personnel already coming out to see what was going on he gunned it across a corner of the field on a path that had him pass between two hangars before he was airborne.
Managing to make it back to his home field in France, Carr was unable to lower the landing gear and was forced to make a belly up landing. www.airforcemag.com/article/valor-thanks-luftwaffe/
I read this story from an old comic book. I am not sure what it was called in English because I read it in Finnish. That comic book was called "Korkeajännitys". Those comics usually told stories about war.
love war thunder and keep up the work
My only question is if he knew how to raise his landing gear how did he not know how to put it back down again?
Heroic undertaking by an American Pilot with guts! They should make a movie out of it. Will be more realistic than Top Gun Maverick.
"i have heard of ppl putting on the wrong shoes or their trousers on backwards, but you must be my dumbest pilot to fly the wrong aircraft.....welcome home"
Hey TJ, how does the Ghost P-40 of Mindanao sound to you?
@TJ3History how do you get the graphics
I cant believe ive never heard of this story
LEGEND.
So if he was able to bring the landing gear up, why wasn't he capable of putting it back down?! Isn't the landing gear the same lever whether it's going up or down?
Many aircraft of that era had very different controls and procedures for operating those controls there was no standardization of control layouts or procedures (a problem which persists to this day)...This was a German aircraft, and had electrically-driven gear (most of the allied planes had mechanical or hydraulic gear); The FW-190 was a high-performance plane and had a number of safeties and interlocks to prevent inadvertent operation of some controls (like accidentally lowering the landing gear during flight, potentially damaging the landing gear if the plane was flying too fast). Read what American pilots thought of the aircraft: www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/fw190/wright-field-fw190d-9.pdf
Great story. Guy had guts and imagination…
Good one but as an airline pilot myself let me correct you: he wouldn’t have had any issues starting that plane and getting it off of the ground. Despite being a German plane, all of the engine technology was the same - turbocharged piston controlled by throttle, fuel mixture, and propeller control. All of which would have been line abreast on the left hand throttle quadrant.
Is it that easy for any body to clear the parameters of a military air field with out being detected, spends an entire night in the cockpit, with not security personnel to guard a fully fueled/ armed aircraft....really unbelievable !
Bob Hoover did this as well. Went down in a spitfire not a mustang, though. Stole an FW-190 to return
Cool.
I bet they were happy to have the plane for study!
*"Do you hear engine noises or is Hanz snoring again?"*
only one questing i have is wouldnt he had gear down when he took off? ithink it could of broke of by speed tho
1 more pilot did this. He became Lockheed test pilot .I forgot his name. He helped solve P-38 stability problems. Dive flaps conceived because of his data. Tony something I believe.
Forgot his name? BOB HOOVER
Tony LaVier was a Lockheed test pilot on the P38. However he was never in combat. The test pilot you’re thinking of that stole a FW190 is R.A.(Bob) Hoover. He became a test pilot after the war.
According to Greg's Airplanes the 190s were equipped with the Kommandogerat.
Bob Hoover did pretty much the same thing.