If the insurance paid out then my guess is that the insurance company technically owns the card. And given that there is probably a police report attached, and CGC is obviously aware of the theft, they are probably legally obligated to confiscate the card and hand it over to the insurance company.
Unfortunately that's how the law works... no matter how many times a stolen item was sold, whoever gets caught with stolen property gets shafted and loses it all without any reimbursement
@@RattlePokemon "unknowingly" being a key word. You have said multiple times in dozens of videos that early release cards are stolen. Tell me again this guy didn't know he was buying a stolen card, come on man. I'm not saying he should be prosecuted for it but to cry about having his stolen card confiscated from him is stupid AF. Also that whole innocent until proven guilty is crap, this dude would 100% have to prove he didn't know it was stolen if they did decide to pursue charges.
Yea communication was lacking here but I don’t think CGC has any other option here. It’s not like they are able to return the stolen card back to the customer, especially if it’s a known case to them. Lord knows that poketubers would be crucifying them if they found out CGC moved a stolen card through their system without taking action.
Ding ding you win the cookie. I bought an IPad like 10 years ago on Craigslist and as soon as I went online to use it and put my info in I got a phone call a day later from the police. Sure enough it was stolen. Had to prove I did not steal it by setting up the seller by buying something else and wired with a camera and such. Unreal I had to do it or I be charged with stolen goods for buying a dang iPad. After that I’ll never buy anything without checking the serial number before buying. Lots of scumbags out there
@@Caseshells123 wow that's crazy, maybe rattle should read this because he replied to my comment and told me with absolute certainty that you cannot be prosecuted for unknowingly receiving stolen goods. As if your word that you didn't know is good enough for the police 🤣🤣🤣
If they know that FedEx stole it, why wouldn’t they just compensate and then take it up with FedEx themselves? Makes me think FedEx stole my Lugia and not CGC now…
Not sure if youre aware, but what he has done is contacted CGC after a huge submission and said they never arrived. So he had a load of free graded slabs and then sold them. Simple scam!
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Grading is just adding another way for scammers to scam! The only way I’m buying graded cards is to crack them for binders
@@nah4215 lol its waste of money… funny how some people value other people opinions like sauce boss it up bro all you want but grades don’t mean shit with all these fuck ups. You do you rockstar
Even if fedex paid out the original owner, this is stolen property and should be returned to original owner. Insurance or not, ownership doesnt change. If anything the insurance company might be able to ask for their money back, depends on the contract.
Right but should be law enforcement and the insurance company solving the situation. Instead we have CGC seizing it (likely without a warrant), asking a customer to contact them and then not being able to explain what is going on with it.
@RattlePokemon yea, for sure. CGC needs to do better. I agree that a police report needs to be required for this type of action, and the information needs to be passed to the customer. It's going to be hard for the customer to get their seller to refund them without it.
@@RattlePokemon The card was reported stolen to CGC by law enforcement. There is an active police report. CGC listed the card as stolen on the website. CGC then received the stolen card from the individual. At this point, CGC had no choice but to contact the law enforcement agency listed on the police report and comply with their instructions. If they did not do that, if they demanded a warrant (?) before proceeding, they too could have been charged with a crime. In most states, the penalties for possession of stolen property are as severe as the actual theft of the property. Instead of criticizing CGC, you should be applauding them.
At collectacon Denver Today these guys have a baby weiner plush and I instantly ran up to them and asked “is this a weiner baby 69 rattle joke” and the main guy didn’t know who rattle was but his buddy lost his absolute shit and said it should be now but it was an inside joke they have with their stream about snom 😂😂
If I was Jamie I would be making a report to the authorities about CGC stealing and holding my card after paying for a service they didn't fulfill. They have zero authority and probably nothing in their terms and conditions of sale/archive regarding stolen goods and holding them. They review, grade, and slab cards only.
Nothing you said here is correct. CGC complied with the law. They aren't required to include in their terms of service that they are a law-abiding company.
Not the first I've heard of FedEx stealing cards. If you own a card shop with TCG/CCG in the name or some obvious company name that its a card shop, don't put you name or logo on the shipping label.
To me on this video look like her home boy knew it was stolen and the conversation deleted after time is bullshit they conversation on letgo don't delet after time and his questions to her was sus and the names he dropped was people on whatnot too
Your take here doesn't make sense. It's illegal to be in possession of stolen property. This is clearly a situation where the cards were reported stolen to the police and they went through all the steps to have insurance cover it. The grading company would likely want to immediately relinquish the stolen goods to law enforcement so as to not be dealing in stolen goods and potentially breaking the law themselves. Then the police would either keep them as evidence or give them to the insurance company, or maybe the original owner. Theres absolutely no situation where they would be permitted to return them to the guy who purchased stolen goods. Yeah, it sucks for the guy who ends up getting caught with the stolen items and holding the bag, but his recourse isn't to go after the items or the people who confiscated them, but rather to go after the person who sold him the stolen goods, in the same way you would with scam product.
Why would you want CGC to send back the STOLEN cards to the individual? Or even compensate them for the card when it was STOLEN? You can’t blindly assume the submitter is telling the truth no matter how innocent they look. That’s really irresponsible and straight up messed up. You do not know the history of the card and who is lying here or telling the truth smh I don’t care if he don’t steal the card. They were stolen, the card should be return to the original owner (if possible) or destroyed. CGC did the right thing. I bet if they had returned the card to the person you would be here doing a video calling out cgc for returning the stolen card to the person smh.
You're right! If CGC compensated the person who sent them the stolen property, CGC would immediately become the place to send all stolen property to make some cash. They would instantly become the number one fence of stolen graded cards.
100% correct, some people are so caught up in their love for pokemon drama they don't even see it from a logical perspective. Cgc did exactly what psa would have done or any other responsible company. Stolen property doesn't get returned, that's a no brainer.
New black and gold labels are fire. You don’t have to like card grading but don’t bold face lie to your fans like that. Also they are legally required to to seize them if they have been reported. If they are “stolen from the factory” it doesn’t matter until they’ve been notified by law enforcement. I’m pretty sure they do not need a seizure warrant. Pawn shops and other second hand dealers goods stores operate the same way. There is no such thing as a “legit buyer” of something stolen.
Also possible the original buyer reported he never got it as fraud so he could get his money back and then sold the card and it made its way around a few buyers
PSA does not traffic stolen property either. When they come into possession of stolen property, by law they must send the property to the law enforcement agency that filed the stolen property report.
@@RickinMarylandSure, but if the person that sent it in can prove they didn't steal it the grading company should take the loss and try to get recompensed from the thief. That should just be part of doing business with these companies. It would be good selling point for these companies if they operated like that.
@@Butterflyyyxoxo The person who sent the card in is not the owner of the card. It's stolen property. CGC has a legal responsibility to send the card to the appropriate law enforcement agency. If they choose to do anything other than that, they are just as guilty as the person who originally stole the card. In the United States, possession of stolen property is treated the same as stealing property. Both carry the same exact penalties. CGC did nothing wrong. If they rewarded the person who sent them stolen property with fair market value of the stolen property, it would create a market for stolen graded cards. If you are in possession of a stolen graded card, all you have to do is send it to CGS and you will receive 100% of what the card is worth.
@@Butterflyyyxoxo exactly and I'm sure the grading companies have insurance protecting them from theft and while shipping. The problem here is cgc is gatekeeping knowledge about the case that to Rattles point.. could show the theft has been reimbursed or that confiscating the card would be unnecessary if the case was closed
crazy that they'll grade cards that were never released but they'll take your card on a whim if someone claims its stolen. they don't have the capacity or authority to even prove that something is stolen lmao
What don’t u get… someone stole it… someone reported it… therefore it is reported stole… I don’t know what the “stolen” means but that dude der dun stole that der card! 😂
Only so people are aware that they can order them. Don't recommend anyone purchase if they don't absolutely want one since they are expensive. It's a hat that I want for myself, make little to nothing on them but know there are some people who will really want one regardless.
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Fresh hat, hopefully the dirt you uncover doesn’t scuff it up
If the insurance paid out then my guess is that the insurance company technically owns the card. And given that there is probably a police report attached, and CGC is obviously aware of the theft, they are probably legally obligated to confiscate the card and hand it over to the insurance company.
Unfortunately that's how the law works... no matter how many times a stolen item was sold, whoever gets caught with stolen property gets shafted and loses it all without any reimbursement
Why would anyone send a card in to be regraded? It’s already graded
To get that lame ass fancy new label. Like rattle said in beginning it’ll happen in 5 years again.
So if i buy a stolen car i can keep it because i bought it? Receiving stolen goods is still a crime.
It's not a crime to unknowingly purchase stolen goods.
@@RattlePokemon "unknowingly" being a key word. You have said multiple times in dozens of videos that early release cards are stolen. Tell me again this guy didn't know he was buying a stolen card, come on man. I'm not saying he should be prosecuted for it but to cry about having his stolen card confiscated from him is stupid AF. Also that whole innocent until proven guilty is crap, this dude would 100% have to prove he didn't know it was stolen if they did decide to pursue charges.
Yea communication was lacking here but I don’t think CGC has any other option here. It’s not like they are able to return the stolen card back to the customer, especially if it’s a known case to them. Lord knows that poketubers would be crucifying them if they found out CGC moved a stolen card through their system without taking action.
It has to be sent to the law enforcement agency where the original stolen property report was filed. CGC has no choice in the matter.
Ding ding you win the cookie. I bought an IPad like 10 years ago on Craigslist and as soon as I went online to use it and put my info in I got a phone call a day later from the police. Sure enough it was stolen. Had to prove I did not steal it by setting up the seller by buying something else and wired with a camera and such. Unreal I had to do it or I be charged with stolen goods for buying a dang iPad. After that I’ll never buy anything without checking the serial number before buying. Lots of scumbags out there
@@Caseshells123 wow that's crazy, maybe rattle should read this because he replied to my comment and told me with absolute certainty that you cannot be prosecuted for unknowingly receiving stolen goods. As if your word that you didn't know is good enough for the police 🤣🤣🤣
@thomashogan7717 that sounds illegal as shit man you should have had a lawyer.
If they know that FedEx stole it, why wouldn’t they just compensate and then take it up with FedEx themselves? Makes me think FedEx stole my Lugia and not CGC now…
Not sure if youre aware, but what he has done is contacted CGC after a huge submission and said they never arrived. So he had a load of free graded slabs and then sold them. Simple scam!
Grading is just adding another way for scammers to scam! The only way I’m buying graded cards is to crack them for binders
👍 cool
You can’t afford 10’s, we get it
@@nah4215 lol its waste of money… funny how some people value other people opinions like sauce boss it up bro all you want but grades don’t mean shit with all these fuck ups. You do you rockstar
Dude when are you going in for the CGC Tour of ‘69?!😂
Even if fedex paid out the original owner, this is stolen property and should be returned to original owner. Insurance or not, ownership doesnt change. If anything the insurance company might be able to ask for their money back, depends on the contract.
Right but should be law enforcement and the insurance company solving the situation. Instead we have CGC seizing it (likely without a warrant), asking a customer to contact them and then not being able to explain what is going on with it.
@RattlePokemon yea, for sure. CGC needs to do better. I agree that a police report needs to be required for this type of action, and the information needs to be passed to the customer. It's going to be hard for the customer to get their seller to refund them without it.
@@RattlePokemon The card was reported stolen to CGC by law enforcement. There is an active police report. CGC listed the card as stolen on the website. CGC then received the stolen card from the individual. At this point, CGC had no choice but to contact the law enforcement agency listed on the police report and comply with their instructions. If they did not do that, if they demanded a warrant (?) before proceeding, they too could have been charged with a crime. In most states, the penalties for possession of stolen property are as severe as the actual theft of the property.
Instead of criticizing CGC, you should be applauding them.
At collectacon Denver Today these guys have a baby weiner plush and I instantly ran up to them and asked “is this a weiner baby 69 rattle joke” and the main guy didn’t know who rattle was but his buddy lost his absolute shit and said it should be now but it was an inside joke they have with their stream about snom 😂😂
Intressting thnx! But where can we check if a slab is stolen?
CGC already knew insurance paid out on the cards. They have no right to keep it.
At that point the insurance company owns the card.
Possession of stolen property is a crime, weather you know it is stolen or not. Unfortunately.
If I was Jamie I would be making a report to the authorities about CGC stealing and holding my card after paying for a service they didn't fulfill. They have zero authority and probably nothing in their terms and conditions of sale/archive regarding stolen goods and holding them. They review, grade, and slab cards only.
Nothing you said here is correct. CGC complied with the law. They aren't required to include in their terms of service that they are a law-abiding company.
Hey rattle I’m new here I’m guessing you’re Canadian based on how you say “caerd” 😂 nice video
Yes I am!
Never trust a customer service agent named "Shasta Moon"
Not the first I've heard of FedEx stealing cards. If you own a card shop with TCG/CCG in the name or some obvious company name that its a card shop, don't put you name or logo on the shipping label.
Keep me updated on this case... Thanks Rattle!
In the restaurant industry, that's how it works with confiscating fake IDs as well. Underage people freak out when you steal their fake ID.
Fake ID is typically a class 4 felony. This is petty theft (1st degree misdemeanor). Pretty tough comparison to make.
I’ve been in the industry for 12 years and I’ve seen zero fake iDs 😅
We need Friday booze news back !
Gotta love the old wiener dog exchanges! 😂😂😂
Ya this card was stolen…by CGC. You can’t deprive someone of their property without authority.
With a stolen property report, the person who sent the card to get a new holder is not the owner.
I love white hats but I have 7 kids that would wreck it lol they’ll find a way 😂
7 kids? My condolences..
@@nah4215 living in your head rent free buddy lol
Lmao all because of wanting a different colored slab. 😂 CGC grading is a joke. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ especially wi rh that card being graded already by them. 😂
Cgc stealing cards, that are reported stolen. Oh the irony.
CGC out here trying to beat whatnot in the negative reputation battle gahdam
What do ya wanna bet the guy who originally sold it is the one who reported it stolen so they could make the money and get the card
what the hell why is it so expensive!
Nice hat Rattle. It sucks that CGC is giving this person such a hard time. It should have been reported on the CGC site sooner.
Jamie was way more patient with CGC than I would have been...
I only transfer money by Weiner Dog Exchange, Weiner Dog Customer Service Representatives are top notch. CGC could take some lessons.
CGC committing theft themselves
pokewizard name in the dm 👀 about the slabs 🤦♂
When are people going to realize CGC is a scum-tier grading company? How many times will they get away with this?!?!?!
I knew this would happen when they picked up steam during covid lol
Jonny from cgc just wanted the card so he wrote stole scammy
It's an infinite money loop! Thx for the idea, I'm going to report a bunch of $40k lugias and 20k gold stars I see on ebay. Thx
I miss the blue labels...
To me on this video look like her home boy knew it was stolen and the conversation deleted after time is bullshit they conversation on letgo don't delet after time and his questions to her was sus and the names he dropped was people on whatnot too
Same for offter up conversation they don't erase you have to erase them
if you think this is crazy, cgc turned my card into a custom and graded it. i legit was in shock when i got it back.
Your take here doesn't make sense. It's illegal to be in possession of stolen property. This is clearly a situation where the cards were reported stolen to the police and they went through all the steps to have insurance cover it. The grading company would likely want to immediately relinquish the stolen goods to law enforcement so as to not be dealing in stolen goods and potentially breaking the law themselves. Then the police would either keep them as evidence or give them to the insurance company, or maybe the original owner. Theres absolutely no situation where they would be permitted to return them to the guy who purchased stolen goods. Yeah, it sucks for the guy who ends up getting caught with the stolen items and holding the bag, but his recourse isn't to go after the items or the people who confiscated them, but rather to go after the person who sold him the stolen goods, in the same way you would with scam product.
Why would you want CGC to send back the STOLEN cards to the individual? Or even compensate them for the card when it was STOLEN? You can’t blindly assume the submitter is telling the truth no matter how innocent they look. That’s really irresponsible and straight up messed up. You do not know the history of the card and who is lying here or telling the truth smh I don’t care if he don’t steal the card. They were stolen, the card should be return to the original owner (if possible) or destroyed. CGC did the right thing. I bet if they had returned the card to the person you would be here doing a video calling out cgc for returning the stolen card to the person smh.
You're right! If CGC compensated the person who sent them the stolen property, CGC would immediately become the place to send all stolen property to make some cash. They would instantly become the number one fence of stolen graded cards.
100% correct, some people are so caught up in their love for pokemon drama they don't even see it from a logical perspective. Cgc did exactly what psa would have done or any other responsible company. Stolen property doesn't get returned, that's a no brainer.
What a trip. A mess indeed. I'm also surprised that there's someone in this world who answers to the name 'Shasta Moon'.
New black and gold labels are fire. You don’t have to like card grading but don’t bold face lie to your fans like that.
Also they are legally required to to seize them if they have been reported. If they are “stolen from the factory” it doesn’t matter until they’ve been notified by law enforcement.
I’m pretty sure they do not need a seizure warrant. Pawn shops and other second hand dealers goods stores operate the same way.
There is no such thing as a “legit buyer” of something stolen.
They cant keep the card though. Only law enforcement is authorized to do so .
Also possible the original buyer reported he never got it as fraud so he could get his money back and then sold the card and it made its way around a few buyers
This strikes me as pathetic
breaker mayfield scamming
That's why I go through PSA, despite the random low grades they're at least professional and reliable
PSA does not traffic stolen property either. When they come into possession of stolen property, by law they must send the property to the law enforcement agency that filed the stolen property report.
@@RickinMarylandSure, but if the person that sent it in can prove they didn't steal it the grading company should take the loss and try to get recompensed from the thief. That should just be part of doing business with these companies. It would be good selling point for these companies if they operated like that.
@@Butterflyyyxoxo The person who sent the card in is not the owner of the card. It's stolen property. CGC has a legal responsibility to send the card to the appropriate law enforcement agency. If they choose to do anything other than that, they are just as guilty as the person who originally stole the card. In the United States, possession of stolen property is treated the same as stealing property. Both carry the same exact penalties. CGC did nothing wrong. If they rewarded the person who sent them stolen property with fair market value of the stolen property, it would create a market for stolen graded cards. If you are in possession of a stolen graded card, all you have to do is send it to CGS and you will receive 100% of what the card is worth.
@@Butterflyyyxoxo exactly and I'm sure the grading companies have insurance protecting them from theft and while shipping. The problem here is cgc is gatekeeping knowledge about the case that to Rattles point.. could show the theft has been reimbursed or that confiscating the card would be unnecessary if the case was closed
crazy that they'll grade cards that were never released but they'll take your card on a whim if someone claims its stolen. they don't have the capacity or authority to even prove that something is stolen lmao
What don’t u get… someone stole it… someone reported it… therefore it is reported stole… I don’t know what the “stolen” means but that dude der dun stole that der card! 😂
UNO!
shameless hat plug. smh
Only so people are aware that they can order them. Don't recommend anyone purchase if they don't absolutely want one since they are expensive. It's a hat that I want for myself, make little to nothing on them but know there are some people who will really want one regardless.
@@RattlePokemon don't worry Rattle, I was just being sarcastic haha. Love you man!
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