Shorts 330 and 360
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
- Short Brothers S.C.7 Skyvan, S.D.3-30 and S.D.3-60 at London Southend in the 1990s.
Aircraft featured include:
S.C.7 Skyvan;
OY-JRK, OY-JRL.
S.D. 3-30 'Shed':
G-BIYH, G-ZAPC, G-LEDN, G-BNYA, G-BIFH, G-SSWA.
S.D. 3-60 'Super-Shed';
G-ZAPF, G-OAAS, G-ISLE, G-DASI, G-OJSY, G-UBAC.
Music;
'The Driving Force' Jingle Punks.
Photo of OY-JRK at Southend courtesy of Keith Burton.
Video recording VHS-C mono linear sound.
My grandfather worked on these and the Belfast in the late 50's and 60's. Loved flying in the 360 version
I used to make parts for these when I worked for Shorts in the 60’s the engine sounds bring back the memories of when they used to do engine runs on new aircraft and yes they used to be tested on take offs and landings on one engine.
And they were tested landing on one engine with a max cargo weight .
Living in Belfast I saw a lot of what we called the ‘vomit comet’, and flew a lot to England and Scotland in them on business trips. They were ok for short- haul and very reliable. My understanding was that no-one ever died in an accident in one, I recall an accident I think at Manchester, and everyone walked away from it.
I remember arriving at Glasgow Airpot one stormy day to catch a flight home, we were a bit late and in a bit of a rush, we were asked where we were flying to and were immediately told that there was no rush, I asked had it been cancelled, and was told “ that’s your aircraft out on the tarmac”, we looked out and there it was, upside down with the wheels sticking up in the air!!. It seems they were too slow to get it tied down when the weather arrived. I didn’t make it home that night!.
The flying skips….we had “Manx Airlines” back then, covering the majority of the IOM 🇮🇲 routes, I saw G-Isle there, that was a manx 360 at one time, in the full livery…..great days👍👌🇮🇲
I flew the SC7 for Wien Air Alaska in 1969- 1972. On fantastic machine. We jumped back and forth between the Twin Otter and the Skyvan several times a month. Each had their use, for whatever load was being carried.
In the late 1980s, I used to refuel 360s in DAY for Northwest. I remember they had the dodgy analog fuel gauges that you had to continuously tap on in order to get an accurate reading. We called them "flying toolsheds".
I used to fly the SD-360 for Gill Airways in the late 1990s. I remember being over the North Sea in the middle of winter on the way to Esbjerg unable to maintain level flight due to amount of ice we were carrying. I also had an engine failure approaching Leeds. Happy days.
Gill Air, a great company with excellent, friendly and professional staff. Fond memories.
They were basically designed as a flying version of the Ford Transit and did the same job in the air as the Transit on the ground And nobody ever bought a Transit for its looks -they simply took an 8 ×4 sheet of exterior plywiood and built a van around it .This aircraft was even called the Skyvan -the 330/360 were basically the same small cargo aircraft with seats. They were designed to fulfil a specific purpose -not for looking good and were and still are hugely successful in that role as is the Ford Transit van -ultimately a fit for purpose plane .
Happy memories. I worked as cabin crew for BAF/Guernsey airlines back in the 80's. Many of the older more experienced crew were not keen the "shed's" and stayed on the Viscounts and Heralds, but I loved them. One thing on the 360 that always got me was asking passengers to remain seated after pulling on stand as the steps for the rear baggage hold were also the tail prop if the aircraft started to tip.....
The 330 was the very first aircraft I fueled when I began my career nearly 40 years ago at the Buffalo international Airport. I really miss the aircraft from the '80's. We still got DC-6's daily as well for Trans States Airlines (cargo). Thanks for posting this memory.
In 1987 I had a short domestic flight from Legaspi to Cebu on one of the newly introduced SD360s of Philippine Airlines (PAL). Of that flight, I had no choice, PAL then had the monopoly of the domestic passenger airline market. The roughly hour long flight was the worst flight I flew. The cabin was super noisy I felt dizzy for most of the flight. After the flight, the dizziness somehow stretched into a fever which extended into the following day. I vowed not to fly on an SD360 again. Those times were the twilight of PAL’s monopoly of the domestic airline market. A few years after that unforgettable SD360 flight, the Philippine domestic market started to open to other airlines giving more choices of destinations, flight sectors and frequencies, and aircraft types. During this period PAL also quickly phased out the new SD360s and the aging HS748s from their fleet, changing these types with F50s.
So glad to have found this - thank you for posting it.
I flew Sheds for around five years in the early nineties for Gill Air - so have time on at least 3 of the aircraft featured in your video, possibly more (I’d have to dig my old logbooks out).
As a lad in my early twenties, it was an interesting experience to say the least. Operating a marginal performance machine in marginal conditions around Northern Europe taught me a lot.
Good memories.
@Phil Nichols.GillAir, now there’s a name from the past. WIC-ABZ-NCL😊. Scatsta!!! Brilliant, friendly company. Fond memories.
jeff addis
I have about about 3000 hours in the 330, flying for Henson Airlines in the USA in the early 1980's. we liked it because it had a flight attendant on board. that's the only reason we liked it. we had some very creative nasty nicknames for it.
on second thought, it was powered by the fabulous Pratt & Whitney of Canada PT6 series of turboprops. the aircraft was under powered, but the PT6 engines were outstanding.
I flew on the Shorts 330, back in 1981, in Iowa, USA. It was like riding in a box car. Headroom was more than a sunroof, and everything else was roomy. Plane gave a smooth ride. An odd design, but it worked. At the same time , in my life, I was finishing my flying lessons. Thanks for the memories.
I remember shorts flight department coming to KWA to check out crews on the C-23 Sherpa... One of my best checkrides .. im a PT-6 fan!!
Flew on these a few times in the 80's between Belfast and Manchester. Absolutely hated them. Very tight and uncomfortable seating. Huge amount of noise. Because the cabin was unpressurised I always had extremely sore ears. I guess, owing to the height we flew at. Feel nostalgic about them now.
loaded the 330-360 to many times to remember in my 9 years loading them with royal mail at ema airport in the late 80s and early 90s.
Worked with the 330s and 360s of both Air UK and JEA throughout the 80s. Reliable and hard working machines. Great video Robin!
Worked on the 360 for American Eagle. Nice little plane.
I thought I'd flown on one in the early 1990s - flown by US Air? Certainly out of or into Pittsburgh.
Short Brothers flying speed brake -- maintained one at the Centennial Airport/Arapahoe county airport in the late 70's early 80's --- What an airplane - ajnti ice system sucked and the Garret engines were obnoxiously loud
Hauled Harleys to Sturgis in 79 -- It was a slow trip but we landed in a field and unloaded -- All the scooter bums thought we were gods flying our bikes to the event
I worked at Dan Air Manchester we looked after 330 360 on data post . Around 30 of these would land at Manchester between 11.00 and 3.00 at night . I remember going into the cockpit to see the skipper a young guy , He had a canvas propped on the control column painting the scene front cockpit out onto the airport ,raindrops down the window aircraft in a he distance very realistic as I remember good artist . Happy days in the 90s .
My most vivid memory of the Shorts 360 is getting stuck in a hailstorm trying to land at Baltimore. My seat was at the fuselage station aligned with the diagonal strut from the landing gear to the wing. The storm was so bad we could no longer see the strut. The sound of the hail impinging on the prop and being smashed into the side of the fuselage was absolutely frightening. We had two aborted landings and I remember having to quickly lift my backpack up off of the floor because there was a river of vomit flowing forward in the cabin as we nosed down for the second attempt. I was the only one on the plane that did not vomit that day. The third attempt was a success and we lived to see another day.
Flew on these regularly to a job in Central Pennsylvania in 1991. Allegheny Airways a.k.a. "Treetop Airlines" as we dubbed it. They seemingly vibrated before the engines started. Even the overhead baggage door panels buzzed! Pleasantly scenic rides though ..... unforgettable.
I DID THE BRADFORD, PITTSBURGH AND RETURN RUN MORE TIMES THAN I CAN COUNT. 22 BUCKS ROUND TRIP IN THE 70s. THEY WERE A GOOD SHIP.
Creo que por un tiempo pasado lo llegó a usar la US. AIR. FORCE .
Como transporte de repuestos y motores .
Era un grupo de pocos aviones , pero fue útil volando de enlace en esos cometidos.
One of the safest aircrafts ever built. These things can take off on one engine
Not true.
I flew the Sheds for Gill Air for 5 years in the nineties. It was a poor performer with both running, let alone one!
I did enjoy my time on them, getting my first command in my mid-twenties.
@@phil_nicholls They most certainly did take off and land with full load on one engine, that is how they were tested at Sydenham.
Allways remember ignoring these in the 80s n 90s i miss them now
I'm an Aussie from Melbourne (Vic). In the nineties I was a passenger on an ANSETT-AIRLINES SHORTS 360 short haul about an hour at 7000ft en-route from Brisbane to Rockhampton in Queensland, Australia. I'd heard that British pilots called 360's (& all other iterations) 'Guards-vans', such was their disfavour with these unedifying machines. After take off I have to say that as a passenger plane, they were bloody noisy & bumpy & the thought of their unshapely airframe going through the air was really off-putting. Anyway, the weather was hot (as it always is in QLD) and a rear passenger started loosing his breakfast immediately! To the extent that I felt 'off colour' too.. We eventually reached Rocky which sits right on The Tropic of Capricorn, and I was more than happy to exit said plane. In short, the Shorts 330-360 were a triumph of shape efficiency, in that they were in effect, a flying sea container dimensionally. That, I take it, was their main appeal. To thir other admiral virtues, I could not possibly attest.
Ah yes... the Short 330 and 360... takes me back to my childhood... We used to call it the "bus-airplane"...
Wonder film film, superb to see these workhorses in action. Always struck guy the high aspect ratio of the wings and the voluminous fuselage.
I worked in the factory on all 3 variants, SC 7, SD3-30 and SD3-60. There was a SD4-50 on the drawing board as a 45 seater variant but never got built under Bombardier ownership
My father worked on these at Shorts during the 70s and 80s. The Shorts and later Bombardier airfield is now George Best Belfast City Airport, sited in East Belfast.
I love flying boxes! B)
I worked for a small airline that flew two of these planes. The pilots who flew it liked to say, "I'm sure it would be a nice looking plane if the company would let us take it out of the box."
When the company purchased their first 3-30 they sent three pilots out to bring it back. The most senior pilot went to the back of the cabin and instructed the one flying to start doing parabolas so he could do his Superman impersonation by kicking off the back wall and flying through the cabin.
what a load of absolute shite
Was on the Aer Lingus 360 ones a few times .
Takes me back to the days of being a kid and visiting my local airport, LBA. Seeing S330's flown be Genair in the 80s and later by Captital Airlines, formally known as Brown Air.
Great video :) . I loved the 330/360 and flew on quite a few examples with Aurigny, CityFlyer, Guernsey Airlines, Air UK, British Air Ferries, Jersey European Airways, British Midland Airways & Air Europe Express. Nice to see some other types sadly no longer seen (or rare) in UK skies in the video too.
That intro is awesome!
I started work in bombardier (formaly Shorts) on the 5 of march 1990. On that first day we got a tour of Queens island in belfast. (The Main Factory) as it was known. The last three shorts 360 fusalages were nearing completion and i got to walk into the back of one. I remember the manager showing us the way the square corrigated alloy was bonded to the outer skin producing a very ridgid airframe. I wonder how many of these are still flying now.
The Skyvan used to run some of the west coast of Scotland routes in the late 60's and early 70's. I remember flying in them a few times..... it was a box with wings and the cabin was noisy.
One of these is a road side coffee shop here in Thailand.
My father was a salesman for Shorts North America back in the early-mid 80s. He did a sales tour with the 360 and me and my mother tagged along for the trip (Washington to Naples, FL), stopping along a couple cities along the way. I'll never forget as we stopped at Atlanta's Charlie Brown field. Lady at FBO was trying to describe the plane to her boss over the phone "I'm not sure what it is - it's big and boxy with tiny wings" lol.
On the same trip my dad pranked me by giving me some potato chips for a snack. As we ascended the bag started getting bigger...then blew up spraying chips all over me. Good times.
All that said, even as a kid I found the Shorts planes ugly as hell as was happy when he moved on to Dornier, selling the Dornier 228. STILL ugly but way better looking than the 360.
They were never going to win prizes for beauty or passenger comfort - the lack of pressurisation and your experience with the chips (crisps) bag is proof of that.
They were so common at Southend, I almost ignored them, but fortunately I videoed them while waiting for something more interesting to come along..!
Funny how that happens, you take things for granted not realizing how they will be a rarity years later.
In the 80s, I lived in an apartment overlooking Washington DCs national airport (renamed to Ronald Reagan), with an abundance of 727s, DC-9s, F-27s, Shorts, Metros, Convairs, DCH-7s...and the odd Beech 18 or Dc-3 once in a while. Hard to believe we also had Nord 262s with the original engines - I don't think ANY of those are flying nowadays.
Es verdad nada elegante , pero hasta en lugares donde nunca llegó llamaba mucho la atención .
Su diseño rústico, pero tenia la atractiva condición de ser único.
Seguramente con buenas prestaciones.
Saludos cordiales de Uruguay🌞🇺🇾
My father flew to Europe 3-4 times a year for 30 years on business trips. Out of all those flights one stood out for being the most turbulent. That was a flight from Heathrow to Leeds Bradford on either Air UK or BM on a Shorts 360 in March 1983.
I am currently working on these .
Been a passenger on aircraft several times always knew it was safe father-in-law and brother-in-law helped build felt safe
Flew on 330’s and 360’s quite a few times out of Cardiff back in the day on UK internal flights. They used to hide them ‘around the back’ of the terminal so passengers couldn’t see them before boarding! 😂 Remember an early morning winter flight from CWL when we were lead around the apron past the shiny, shiny 1-11s and modern turboprops to the rear of the terminal to this…..box with wings. I still chuckle at the collective groan that went out and the smile of the ground staff. The 360 was so cold that morning there was ice on the inside of the cabin windows 🥶 Other commentators are right though….very noisy aircraft, no pressurisation and oh soooo slow to climb out on take-off. Kids today on Airbus 3xx and 757’s missed the fun of white knuckle rides on these aircraft 😂
The Skyvan would be a neat little plane to own like a VW bus with wings 'n turboprops. For that matter, the 330 and 360 are highly utilitarian even today.
I flew on G-UBAC from SEN to BRU some nights back in the late 90’s. absolute best days ever!
Looks like a Luton van with wings .
Great footage,used to see many of these aircraft at both Blackpool and Manchester airports back in the day,always busy and loaded with passengers or freight.
I was flying the S.C.7 Skyvan OY-JRK for Dansih Air Transport many years ago and yes it´s noisy, dirty & exciting
They were the highest volume commercial aircraft built in the UK since 1945 selling 496 aircraft .
The Irish Concorde!
They were not Irish nor do think that the Irish ever used them.
@@georgebarnes8163 I’m pretty sure they were built by Short Bros of Belfast, which is in Ireland. The one I flew on was operated by Aer Lingus in 1988 so I respectfully think the Irish Concorde is a “correct” nickname. If you know otherwise I’m all ears.
@@priceyA320 cept Belfast is not in Ireland, both Shorts and Belfast are British not Irish. Ireland has never had any aircraft manufacturing.
@@georgebarnes8163 Spoken like a true Orangeman.
@@priceyA320 Oh dear, another clown who could not find Ireland on a map.
I actually loved flying on the Shorts 360s with American Eagle/Simmons (I was too late to get on the 330s and 360s of Mississippi Valley Airlines). I preferred the Shorts 360s to the ATRs, hands down!!!
That’s amazing. I was an Avionics Technician for Simmons up in Marquette MI for many years and worked on our Shorts 360’s many many times. That airplane had very nice Collins Avionics. No autopilot though! We made our pilots fly. Lol
I rode a 360 once.1977.
I did not reach the same conclusion as you.
Lost at least 15 dB in each ear.
The shed was familiar sound and sight at NWI at night in late 90s and early 00s G-ZAPC and G-BIFH are two I can recall.
The flying eggbox!
Form and function..!
Look how young Gary looks there 😁
It's as if someone was really concerned about their aircraft taking up too much space for it's capacity, and never realised the sky is a big place.
If anyone is ever in Milwaukee Wisconsin, there's an air freight company at Gen. Mitchell Filed (KMKE) that still flies the 330's and 360's. In fact, one crashed in Missouri (I think) with loss of life unfortunately, last year with a posting on UTube.
I actually worked the freight ramp from 88 to 92, and was the fright department manager for VanDusen (well, VanDusen was purchased by Page Avjet) the last year i was there...
Anyway there was a little freight company on the north west corner of the field, just south of the PhillipMorris hanger. I seem to recall the 330's/360's back then too. They flew all older birds. My recollection of just what they were flying is a little fuzzy though, but there was one that was tied down for quite a while, that was all dismantled... a DC3 maybe... that would have been around the time Baslers started converting them I think...
Anyway... great performers even if they aren't the easiest on the eyes...
Btw, if someone else has better info or a better recollection, please let me know.
Thanks
The planes can say Eat My Shorts
p&w pt6 can put on air anything
flying sherpa vans we called them
The US Army variant of the SD 3-30 was called the C-23 Sherpa.
flew on these twin engined spitfires a few times out of belfast george best airport .. i think it was with manx airlines to liverpool scary aircraft lol
IT LOOKS LIKE A BUS LOL!
Hi Robin. Do you plan to upload anymore videos? I keep checking back eagerly 😎 I worked with Routair at Southend in the 90’s, and it’s bringing back so many good memories watching your videos. I’ve even spotted myself a few times! 😁 Cheers.
Hi Matt - there is one more video in preparation at the moment featuring the CL44-O Guppy, which will be a few weeks before it is ready to post - the original tapes have a lot of bugs to iron out, using all the techniques I have developed on the previous videos.
After that, there will be a short break in the aircraft videos while I work on some railway material from the 90's, but there still more aircraft, F27, ATR, ATP, Bandits, 737s, Vulcan etc, and well as Southend and North Weald shows.
If you subscribe to my channel you should get notification of new items.
Really looking forward to seeing the video and any future ones you upload. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
The poor guy lands in a short 330 and then drives a powder blue austin allegro...Does the pain never stop..?
With square steering wheel?
@@leifvejby8023 This car was more aerodynamically efficient going backwards
@@briancarno8837 Shouldn't surprise me, back then I believe Citroen was the only car manufacturer concerned about aerodynamic drag.
Excellent video!! But what about the Bandit EMB 110.
grimwl. Bandits will have their own video eventually.
Son, u draw the airplane and i'll make it
Can the 360 have a rear cargo door like the military's version of the 330, the C-23 Sherpa?
From Wikipedia...C-23B+ Super Sherpa
Short 360 aircraft purchased as used aircraft by the U.S. Army and modified by the West Virginia Air Center (WVAC) for the replacement of the rear fuselage of the Short 360, with its single tall fin, with the twin tail and rear loading ramp of the Short Sherpa. 28 civil aircraft were modified.
@@robinpinnock2678 Wow, you just taught me something new about one of my favorite planes in history, Thx. I thought they only used the 330s.
Can you make the video twin otter. Please...
Did they fly to Holland
GcoverdaleVLOGS. They did a lot of ad hoc charter work that would have taken them to the Netherlands.
Its quite a shame that because they were such a common site here in the United States with many commuter airlines, that no one really seemed interested in making any vides of them UNTIL they all passed to Cargo carriers. I shot still photos of them in the area (Moline) near where I lived but, I made audio tapes of them. The best I could do being a school age kid.
I was reminded, making this video, how often that 'meeoww' sound from the props when taxiing could be heard from my home, a couple of miles away.
Yes, the 330s made a neat staccato sound taxiing that the 360s didn't make. The only thing I didn't like about them on takeoff was that they were so quiet. They were difficult to audio record because of that, especially with noisy gas powered ground power units humming away connected to other aircraft or worse, other airplanes.
we actually were given a tour of one. A nice airplane, and we saw them in Miss. valley air>
hello Robin Pinnock, I'm admin of the modelkitindo channel, I ask permission to hanging this video on my channel as a teaser, and I will enclose your channel name on the video and link in description ... thank you
Thank you for asking - you may use it.
@@robinpinnock2678 Thank You very much
G-LEDN >> 6:40 / G-BIFH >> 10:54
God they were ugly compared to the gracious lines of the BAC 1-11 @ 7.06 ! but they were a lively performer from memory? especially at take off.
My impression at the time, and I think the video shows this, is that they took a long take off run, compared to Viscounts and Heralds.
No thanks lol