'USMNT is a BIGGER FAILURE than Mexico!' Will both teams make it through the group stage? | ESPN FC
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- The Futbol Americas' panel of Seb Salazar, Herc Gomez and Kasey Keller look at the USMNT and Mexico to discuss which team has been the bigger failure at the Copa America.
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Mexicos golden generation was late 80s to mid 90s they actually made it several Copa America finals, if this is USA golden generation lol 😂
Mexicos golden generation was 93-2012 those years Mexico was always a candidate in copa americas, the US hasn’t had a golden generation bcuz this generation has not had any impact
@@adrianmendoza1681they were a candidate because all the other teams sucked now every team has gotten better and Mexico has not
@@miracleman8022the us team has never won anything outside there confederetion, México has 2 olimpic medals, 1 confederations, 2 u17 world cups, 1 revello cup, And still, México sucks, Is in regresión because the people who Made the decisions
@@miracleman8022sure they were runner ups twice in copa america has usa done that to be called a golden generation? mexico also in 1998 won the confederations cup againts the brasil or R9 and cafu not to mention the 2012 olimpic soccer gold medal against the brasil of Neymar, those are both signature wins given the fact they were both tittle matches and won both. I repeat the question, has the usa done that ti be clled a golden generation? No they havent, so the players being called that already feel like they made it to the top bc they won 3 nations leagues to who the worst Mexico in history? Come on man.
@@dagosegovia843 USA and both Mexico suck Mexico I think has over achieved considering they never had good players since Hugo Sanchez . They have over achieved but that still makes them suck and the USA isn’t any better also . Mexico always comes up short bro they suck dude I’m half Mexican dawg trust me I know look at the world cups they have over achieved in my opinion expect for the last two world cups because they never had good players like the media makes it seem or shocked when they lose lol they were never good it’s just in past generation they played thier heart out now they don’t anymore they think they are better than they are
Casey and Alexi sitting in a tree K I S S I N G.
It's part of the reason why USMNT doesn't improve, they just don't take it as seriously as other nations. Mexico gets a poor result, it's big news with big changes/consequences for managers, etc. Weah nukes his own team in a huge tournament and the reaction is, "silly mistake, unfortunate."
What big news or big changes has Mexico taken in the last 10 years of this decline?
@@thejackofalltrades5171 Referring to what Herc Gomez was saying about 20 seconds into the video.
As long as we keep hiring American coaches, this is what we will get. The USSF hired Emma Hayes on the women's side. When they take the men's side as seriously, we will compete.
USMNT needs a South American coach play more like Argentina than Europe , that’s it.
Mexico sucks at soccer. I don't know what are you talking about. Do you even know what team is the current champion of the world?
It's really mind boggling how the US team is always over-hyped. The mentality required for the US to compete with the best in the world in this sport, just doesn't exist... Never has.
The players are, at the very least, the equivalent or better than someone like Austria or Denmark. Those teams aren't really threats to win a big tournament, but we've seen they can indeed compete. American coaches on the other hand...
The best American coach in the world is probably Pellegrino Matarazzo, who left the United States at the turn of the century and hasn't really been involved in US Soccer since. Ultimately American players are WAY out ahead of American coaches. So why do we keep insisting on American coaches? And Berhalter probably isn't in the top 5 of American coaches.
Football is a game by game sport as long as your competitors are competent. They made it to quarterfinals once and beat Spain with a 30 something winning streak.But yea right now they have decent players but in the US national team are not competent in this team.
The mentality of the 2005 - 2015 usmnt was excellent and they were capable of beating the best teams in the world on their day.
@@alinsonzarate2400 And my point is someone has to take responsibility for that. It's worth noting that the US had roughly 2 million boys under 17 playing youth soccer in 2022. More than the total male population of Croatia. The room for improvement is enormous. The desire for improvement, not so much.
@@mrvee5395 But he has a brother-in-law
One of the biggest things that annoy me in football are when people bring up “golden generations” before that group of players achieve anything. “Golden generations” should be reserved for group of players who achieve great things , not the potential talent they may have as a group.
This generation of US players haven’t done anything that previous generations haven’t done. Coaching may be part of the problem but the players are the ones performing on the field.
Not making it to at least the knockout stage in a Copa America hosted in the United States is an absolute failure for this set of US players and coaching staff. It means the program is regressing not advancing.
Fr Chile 🇨🇱 is a great Example of a Golden Generation, beat Spain in 2014 WC got out of their group they won the Copa twice back to back against Argentina, they achieved some good stuff ngl
@@bali-b292perfect example!
Golden generation is also used when a national team has a group that is better than what they had.
The bigger failure is being the first ever copa america host nation to get grouped!!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂
Lmfao they were talking shiii about Mexico 😂 then carma got them 😂
*USMNT squad is full of players that play in Europe AND theyre playing at home. Mexico has about 5 starters that play in Liga MX and rest in Europe but theyre not playing at home*
They are
Usmt should learn from usa cricketers. Just see their passion and try to emulate
Their cricketers are not even full time players yet are doing so well
@@arijitsinha6485 The U.S. also needs a Coach that doesn't have the tactical awareness of a Dodo
Mexico is basically a home team where they have been playing.
@@lennyjenkins9931 players don't look that patriotic to be honest.. usa cricket team players are basically amateurs but they were putting their life on the line evertime. Hence they overachieved. But football players look complacent.
As a neutral (Canada): Mexico, and clearly so! The US had to actively self-destruct to be in its current position via Weah's red card. That is objectively terrible but its at least a clear reason that you guys can work on not repeating.
Mexico is in their current position because their current team just isn't that good and played accordingly.
It would be worse for the U.S. because even if the U.S. gets grouped the chances of Berhalter getting fired are still low. If that happens the USMNT's rising popularity will stagnate.
@@lennyjenkins9931 Maybe, but at least for the US there is an argument that firing the coach would actually help. For Mexico, I think the issues are way deeper than that.
They're not talking about overall but its regarding this tournament. Mexico was doubted to make it through in the first place unlike the hosts. The Usmnt getting grouped is definitely the bigger upset, hardly anyone saw that coming. There's a bunch of ifs still waiting to happen on Sunday and Monday though.
This is mexicos worst generation, and USA’s best generation. This is was expected form Mexico not from USA
If USA goes out that would be worst bro, all that talk before the tournament the stupid Volks wagon commercial “Lets prove those USA doubters wrong” c’mon bro “home of Soccer”😂😂 we set ourselves up to get clowned but hey we’re the Kings right? We beat Mexico😂
Tell me who though we were going to win this tournament?
The United States is a lot like England overhyped and underperforming
How is the U.S. over hyped?
I was thinking the same thing. Look at their FIFA Ranking! 11th in the World!?! Gimme a break.
@@boxburyExactly its the flawed FIFA ranking system. US are far from the 11th ranked team in the world. They're slightly better than us ( Canada) and we're down at 48. Germany are 16 th, Switzerland 19th. No way oddsmakers would ever favor the US over teams of that calibre
England actually has world class players but they're under achievers.
If the USMNT gets grouped and Berthalter DOESN'T fired, I'm giving up on the USMNT until he's out.
You know they won't fire him. I mean, how many chances does he get to make poor decisions?
@@JJ-nu8qiHe's had 6 years of straight terrible to semi-mediocre performances.
One thing is certain, ussf doesnt fire its national coaches just like that, they like to “stick to the project” even if the project seems to be going nowhere they think theyll get results in the longrun, but football/soccer is a sport of moments so its always an up and down and hopefully they arent down when they switch coaches and it will be too late tho 50% of the fault is on the players bc theyre the ones in the field making the important decisions, the coach only males a game plan and can make adjustments to that game plan according to what he sees on the field but its the players who are in there performing!!!
@dagosegovia843 You're right the players aren't blameless, but we have a big drop off in talent after our starting 11, so we can't easily replace them. But Greg is very replaceable. The tactical errors he makes his lack of understanding of his players and how to get the most of them is inexcusable. In my opinion, cindy greg fired, and they need to separate from the uswnt.
The More I see usmt the more I get to see Igor stimach and india.
I expected failure from this Mexican team, no surprises there. But i really love how the US thought they were going to have a great run and now a red card has now put them in the same situation as Mexico. Thanks for the entertainment USA. Watching your team get grouped has been the most delightful experience of this copa America.
now actually México has a better chance of advancing than the U.S
@@reubenblanco3021Not really, although Ecuador is not like Uruguay but still Mexico and U.S bye bye. Hopefully I'm wrong about the results fingers crossed 🤞
@@reubenblanco3021theyll both get grouped, this is the worst mexico in the last 30 years easily and usa will get grouped bc they have a generation of players that are being told every 5minutes “this is usa’s golden generation/ theyre the best weve had” when they havent won anything outside of concacaf to have earned the tittle of “golden generation” so they think they made it already and feel like superstars, all i see is a bunch of divas in the field.
@@dagosegovia843pulisic, Turner and mckennie are the biggest divas.
@@Supersaiyanprime24 yes sir!
Remember when Panama played almost an entire game with one less man against Mexico in the gold cup EVERYONE REMEMBER MARK GEIGER... and Mexico didn't win that game because they took out Tejada at the beginning of the game... so USA doesn't have excuse of losing by one less man, don't come out with FAKE NEWS and STAND FOOT ON THE GROUND........they always try to take credit away from the rival..........LET'S GO PANAMA
panama did their job. USA should have come away with a tie. US sat back and let panama attack. u cant defend like that for 1 hour. never seen it succeed. so kuddos to panama for taking advantage and getting the win.
What?
Casey keller is the biggest mexico hater
He took many L’s against them. That’s why. 😂😂
no Alexi Lala is .
Off course he should be, hes american its only logical🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
@@80s_monsterkid28and look at them now. Getting L's constantly by the us :)
Pretty sure there are millions more in Mexico who would disagree.
Not to mention USA has the home advantage for every game
People seem to forget that.
Why do they keep comparing usa and Mexico 💀 even for Mexican transfers when they yap about Mexicans going to eroupe they find a way to slip in American players and compare them 💀🤣
I agree with Herc. USSF has zero ambition when it comes to the USMNT's results. They just want pay-to-play money to continue flowing into their coffers.
I mean considering Mexico beat the CONCACAF team in their group and USA couldn’t…
We over hyped these players. Great individual players but they don't show up for the US
None of the US players are anywhere near great players.
The USA fans need to calm down. If Weah did not commit that horrible mistake and the US won the game 3-0, the narrative would be completely different. The team has the talent to do great things. This is coming from a Mexico fan.
Youre tripping, stop it with all this “should off, could off, would off” 😂
And people wonder why soccer isn’t more popular in this country-everyone is constantly shi tting on them and no one ever believes in what they can do. Why would anyone want to play for a country that doesn’t have their back? The federation needs to get a coach worthy of this squads talent-it’s not the players, yet they are getting the backlash. This is a better squad than when Dempsey and Landon were playing…they never got the negativity that Pulisic and Reyna do
No we're the worst!
US gotta hope Uruguay don’t go out to make a point which they will do. And to me the team with most form in the competition by far….. Goodluck US lol
Bielsa said they arent qualified yet soooo
The red card in the beginning was what ruined the game for US, they are definitely in a tougher situation going against Uruguay, but I don’t know if it’s more disappointing than Mexico, they had all 11 and are still 3rd
No, what ruined the game was Gregg's tactics.
Red card is no excuse. Isn’t usa the best team in concacaf? They should be miles ahead of panama.
@@kava3957 Berhalter
USA is not the best team since they lost to the 4th best in a title run
Mexico only lost by a penalty, would’ve been a draw all things considered. USA actually lost to Panama with both sides having 10 men, that’s the difference
BEST USA TEAM EVER struggling and this is our worst Mexican team so its crazy
Matt Crocker and USSF are a joke as much as GGG.
The biggest failure was once they went PC and gave an unequal amount of revenue to the girls, leading us to only being able to afford a Berhalter-esk coach. Meanwhile, the womens coach is the highest paid coach for womens international soccer and now that they got that $ they are failing too
This copa America not gold cup !!!! Ha ha ha
It would be total humilation for the u.s. imo if they don't get out of the group stage . This is a team that's striving to win a World Cup, and you can't even beat panama at home .....pathetic.
Get ready to cry soon on Monday lol! 😭
nobody has ever said they are thriving to win a word cup
@@IncredibleStan that's what seems to be what they were talking about after beating mexico saying that they were in such a high level now
@@DRAGOINTHEHOUSE Purchase some tissues for Monday kid
@SamsungAndIphoneuser I'm not a u.s fan bro . I was just responding to what some one was saying .
Canada makes it through and the US and Mexico will not. How have the times changed.
LOL!
Not going to lie I was not surprised at all if the us got grouped they always over hyped and then lose 😂😂 Mexico same thing I knew they were going to either tie or lose to venzuela
Considering that Mexico has such mediocre at best players, I'd say the usmnt take this one, at least we all expected el tri to be grouped
Mexico has two South American teams in the group, where Venezuela is currently leading.
Youre right. Finally a mexico fan that understands. I mean it's not over till it's over though lol
@@jimmyyue238 yeah sure, but do you really think Mexico has better players then Venezuela? I don't think so, the usmnt will be the bigger looser weather you like it or not
@@tacticalmanagerbabymommaak5825 it's actually funny that all of us el tri fans and Mexican pundits have realized that the only reason why the usmnt beats el tri is because of the quality the US has, give Mexico a great coach and the usmnt will never beat Mexico under Gregg the donkey
@@gustavosandoval4480 I don't think mexico win. Even with a good coach mexico is done. They don't have the players at all. So it's silly to say that. You give the US a good coach and watch them be 10x better. Huge difference. The US is only a coach away. Mexico is a coach and most players away from being good again.
USMT SHOULD LEARN FROM THEIR USA CRICKETERS. A BUNCH OF PART TIMERS CREATED HISTORY IN CRICKET WORLD CUP BUT TOP CLASS FOOTBALL PLAYERS CANT EVEN QUALIFY FROM COPA GROUP😂😂😂😂😂
No one cares about cricket apart from few countries, those aren't Americans playing cricket they are indians playing for usa.
No one cares about cricket habibi
@@tacticalmanagerbabymommaak5825 I think things are gradually changing.. atleast Americans know its got a cricket team. Rules etc. South Asian communities in usa Europe africa Asia will spread the game like chinese did with ping pong.
I just watched Chile last night play a man down for 60 minutes and got a draw, it looked so much better than the US against Panama. Jesse Marsch has only coached Canada for 3 months and he got them advancing out of their group. The coaching difference between teams is so obvious in the Copa.
Totally agree and add that America is playing at home, makes it worse!
It’s a solid argument the u.s were considered one of the best teams heading into this tournament Mexico on the other hand were seen as group exits
My man out here saying that the US is a hard team to beat in US soil. He's basically saying that home teams have an advantage since they are playing home.
I think we all know that pal
The best thing about this is how they miss thr optics of Canada advancing with Marsch as manager from a trickier group than the USA had 😂😂
USA is the bigger failure because they have the talent and not only that they have the physicality that almost beats all of the teams in the Americas except for probably Ecuador and Colombia.
Man stop drinking the koolaid, every other team is just as physical if not more than the usa have you not seen the games????
I guess you found out today that theres teams way mpre physical than usa 😂😂😂
Vince agrees and I can't help but think megan rappinghoe could have made the difference 🇲🇾
Usually half of the Mexican squad are players that I'm familiar with in every tournament e.g Chicharito, dos Santos, Vela, Raul Jiminez, Lozano, Marquez, Guardado, Ochoa etc. but this time i don't know any of them. So i kinda expected them not to make it out
The bald guy’s voice is a dead ringer for political pundit George Conway….I CANT UNHEAR IT!!
Mexico will always be a bigger dissapointment theyre a footballing nation
Look at the bright side, we didn’t have to play Columbia.
Just bring back Klinsmann as head coach ffs
Bring back the expert
They are both a failure
Well this is Mexico’s worst generation and this is USA’s best generation. I think US is worse.
Why do Americans love wearing 'sneakers' with blazers?
😅😅
Always confusing that hercules gomez says bomba like it should but calls coco carrasquilla as carrasquillo
I have to say those 3 casts are so awesome, absolutely blessed to tuning in
usmnt is NOT going through 😭🗣‼️🔥🔊
If the United States does not change coaches then I quit
Mexico lost because of goal difference USA lost because they 🗑️
alotta interrupting here 🤦♂️
Gareth Berhalter
Los dos hijos de su mades
My take: Mexico is the bigger failure.
Yes, this is the USMNT’s golden generation. For all the talent Mexico has had, they still haven’t done much. How have Mexico regressed as time went on? At least the US has improved and sent players to bigger teams as of recently. Btw, I support ConCaCaf teams but Mexico is my main team. So I’m extra critical of them. I enjoy watching usmnt a lot too. Herc said it well in another video, berhalter hasn’t done anything new that the precious coaches have done already. They need a new coach and the players need some humility.
Mexico needs it all lol
lol Mexico won the gold cup 2023 us nope
Are you kidding me ? 😂😂😂 this would be a bigger failure for USA . They have players in top notch European teams and considered to be the “ golden generation “ right ? Their biggest accomplishment has been beating the weakest generation of Mexico
@@MichaelMyers.132 True true. But my perspective is the US has beat Mexico a lot head-to-head recently. And the recent pressure amounting on the US has been a lot considering that the sport is growing at an increasing rate, with hosting tournaments, friendlies, and now the World Cup. Navigating new territory with a less than mediocre coach is tough. But again, my frustration is not with the lack of results from the US but more of a disappointing performance and politics from Mexico.
As bad as it would be for USMNT to be eliminated, I think Weah is the biggest reason for that happening. If they played Panama with a full squad, they win without a question.
Doubtful!
Agreed. Panama is nowhere near USA... Weah is completely at fault for this disaster and also berholter for not having any control over his own players
Agreed. Weah ruined everything
@@estebanbr7596that’s fútbol same happens to Ecuador with enner he got a red card very early in the game and lost because the coach didn’t know how to adapt to it
Panama beat them the last time they played before this competition. The arrogance and always under estimating your opponents is why they lost.
Mexico won the gold cup 2023 us nope , stop hyping up both of them , nothing will change , ESPN fc are the biggest Mexico haters
Lmao Mexico had to bring in their entire squad after getting Humiliated by The U.S. just to win a cup that the U.S. cared so little about that they only brought over a single starter.
Because USA’s best players are actually in Europe so they weren’t available for the tournament
By far, a US loss to Uruguay would be more of a monumental failure than Mexico not making it out of their group. The USMNT has no excuses. They had more than enough talent to bury Panama, and they blew it. The fact that there's even any weight given to this last group stage game is a failure by the USMNT. This game has all the earmarks of a train wreck. I predict 2-0 Uruguay at halftime, and a final scoreline of 3-1 Uruguay. The only way the US wins this game is by punching Uruguay in the face within the first 10 minutes with a very early goal. If the US scores early and can add a few more before halftime, then they will ride that all the way to victory.
Concacaf will be embarrassed if no team gets out of any group!
Panama to 2nd round ?
Maybe Canada and thats pushing it
@@miguelgarduno935Panama and Canada are the only ones that can get out the group.
Canada is through! Canada saves the day!
@@boxbury hats off to Canada and maybe panama, USA and Mexico will go home thats for sure
I love the USMNT member being very clear to the Mexico fanboy that he's not rooting for Mexico.