996.2 C2 manual for the win. I absolutely love mine. Aero kit and wheel spacers do wonders for the looks. I daily drive mine. Keep the 991.2 GT3 6MT for the weekends.
Some very nice cars. I have to say that the 996 has a soft spot in my heart and I think they are starting to get some of the love that they deserve. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts.
One thing not mentioned was the historical significance of the 996. It marks a lot of “firsts” for the Porsche 911. It was the first water-cooled 911, the first mass-produced 911, the first 911 with non-round headlights, the first 911 to share parts/components with other models. The 996 was the car that caused the rift in the Porsche community-suddenly there were two sides: air-cooled and water-cooled. While the haters still exist, most people have matured and moved on realizing that a 911 is a 911. The 996 plays a big role in Porsche’s history, and it’s a great thing to talk about when chatting with other enthusiasts at shows, cars and coffee, and other events. I used to own a Boxster 986, and that’s a huge reason why I bought a 996. That pure, raw sports car feeling just doesn't exist in anything newer than the 996. And, the reliability of both (986 and 996) has been far superior to any other car I’ve ever owned (and I’ve owned a lot of cars). Anyway, historical significance of the model may or may not matter to a lot of buyers, but I think it's something worth noting.
Very good point and that could affect values in the future. The 996 does represent a major shift for Porsche and because of that there is a good chance that collectors will want one in their garage. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
Having owned a 997.2 C2S for four years and having driven my brother’s ‘99 C2 w/aerokit extensively, I have to disagree with your comment about the 997 being more of a Grand Tourer (as you imply) than the 996. The 997 was built on the same platform and is close in most dimensions. Just because the interior is a big step up doesn’t take away from the small, light and raw feeling of the 997. I’d agree if you were referencing the 991 as the GT car but I think you’re slightly off base with that comment. I do agree that the 996 is a great and pure sports car. Thanks for posting the content.
Thanks for adding your experience. Perhaps stating that the 997 is a Grand Tourer is a bit of a stretch. It is more the start of the move that direction, but it wasn’t until the 991 that you really had more of a Grand Tourer feel. Honestly, the 997.2 is probably the sweet spot as far as engine reliability, modern conveniences and available at a reasonable price for what you are getting. Of course the transmission also makes a difference. If the Tiptronic is fitted to the 996 it also has more of a Grand Tourer feel. There is nothing wrong with a Grand Tourer, just a different driving experience. Incidentally, I recently bought a 996 with a Tiptronic and it is great fun, but it does feel more like a Grand Tourer than the manual version. Still a fun car, just different and easier to live with in traffic. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts.
being a 2003 986 owner, I really enjoy the feel of the car. I haven't driven a 997 to have an opinion. I like my car quite a bit. The "connected" feeling is what draws me to the 986 and by extension the 996 as well.
The 986 is a fun car to drive as is the 996. In a lot of ways they have a similar feel, but the 996 has more power and you can feel that the balance is different. Starting with the 997 and going to the 991 and 992, the car feels bigger. It is faster, but unless you push it, it doesn’t feel quite as eager. In some ways this is better in a road car, but if you want more of a pure driver experience, the 996 wins there. Of course Porsche makes a lot of great cars, so pretty much any of them are great cars in one way or another. Thanks for watching and commenting.
"The pure sports car feeling" is the primary reason for buying a 996. The cable throttle body is desirable, but the extra power and torque and upgrade from variocam to variocam plus in the 3.6 engine of the 996.2 more than compensates and makes the latter just as, if not more, desirable. Sure, the air cooled cars have a more connected and raw experience, but the 996 provides driving Thrill in spades.
Very good point oboist the later cars. Thanks to the serviceable IMS Bearing, you can buy a later car and put in something like the LN IMS Bearing solution and have it run for over 200K miles without big issues (providing you keep up on maintenance). Thanks for commenting and for watching.
I have driven both the egas and cabled 996, I have to agree David, the feel of a "connection" from my foot to the engine feels alot better than a "wire" Great video.
My first Porsche was a 996.2 that I purchased back in 2016, which I recently sold with 67.5K miles on the original IMS bearing. Never had a single issue with it, I only performed regular maintenance and only had to replace the cats which went bad. I just recently switched up to a 997.2 Carrera S I found in a manual gearbox which I couldn't pass up, I do miss the mechanical feel and feedback I had in my 996.2 with a RoW M030 suspension setup I installed on it. My new 997.2 feels a lot more luxurious and refined on the inside, as for the driving experience, well, it feels more forgiving and seems to allow more room for driver error. . I do love the 997.2 S as well, when I hit that "Sport" button with the included Sport Chrono I can definitely get the car more squirrely around the turns and have usable power readily available. Although my 996.2 felt a lot faster, perhaps because it was a smaller and lighter car. PS - I always laugh at the IMS commentary vloggers and forum posters jib jab about to get likes and views. I can't believe people are still regurgitating this internet scare they read in forums or hear about in other videos.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Sounds like you had a great car and currently have a different great car. I do think because of the internet fear mongering that values of the 996 will stay lower for a while. The 997.2 currently has a good mechanical reputation so values are staying higher. Having said that, I think that the 996 will eventually see the value jump that we have seen models like the 964 and 911 SC. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts.
Nice. I’ve heard a few owners say that. Still not a bad idea to replace with something like the LN Engineering IMS Solution as it takes away the potential of IMS failure, but the 99 cars tend to fair better than later models. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
It certainly has changed, even a 996 manual coupe for less that $30K and under 100K miles is pretty much impossible to find these days. Hopefully, you’ll manage to find one at a good price or for you a market Bible bursts and you can find one for a bit less cash. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts.
I love my 996 Gen1 built in OCT 1998 w/ dual row IMS. However, we decided to do the retrofit LN IMS at 51K just to be safe. It is now "bullet proof". I hope I live to put 200K on it.
Not a bad idea. The dual row has a very low rate of failure, but on the other hand, why take a chance. Thanks for watching and sharing your experience.
Tom, there are two LN bearings, the retrofit is just a ceramic bearing, and LN estimates the life of it at 80k miles, compared to 50k miles for the stock part. Don't forget to change it, only the LN IMS Solution is meant to be a fit-and-forget part, but this costs twice as much.
I have the 996 C2 and agree with this video. To me, it still drives more like the air-cooled 911 and gives me a sense of nostalgia and enjoyment. It is comfortable enough that I can actually talk my wife into a weekend trip to Monterey; in fact, she prefers to drive it. She would tolerate my previous air-cooled versions but not for the entire weekend.
Thanks for adding the perspective. I was just in Monterey yesterday purchasing a 996 C2. I’ll be having some videos on it soon. Thanks for watching and sharing your experience.
Not sure about this argument. The IMS issue is a red herring. This is a factor only bc the 996 failure rate. Doesn’t really matter if 997 needs a rebuild bc there isn’t a huge failure risk in that car. Also the interior quality on an early 996 is awful. I owned a 99 and it’s cheap feeling. The later 911s get better in this regard. Lastly, part of the allure of the Boxster is that it’s much easier to push bc of the mid engine design. You can toss it around much more comfortably. With no weight over the front, the 911 feels very different and very light over the front wheels, Particularly during her acceleration. Expert drivers can get plenty out of the chassis but for many the Boxsters are simply easier to drive fast in real road scenarios. Styling is subjective but the 996 headlights are certainly a messier design as well. There are plenty of price based reasons to go 996, but the traditional throttle is the only objective reason I see based on the cars themselves
Thanks for sharing your thoughts Very true about the 997 having a much lower IMS Bearing failure rate than the 996 models, especially those with a single row bearing. Stay tuned for part two of this video as I speak to many things that you listed and talk about why you should buy the 997.
The numbers I have seen say 996.1/996.2/997.1 = 1%/5%/1%, with the 997.1 being slightly lower than the 996.1. The thing is that the 996.1 bearing can be replaced when doing the clutch, and the cars being older, many will already have been done. With the 997.1 the cars are newer, the issue is less known, the engine case needs to be split, yet the chance of failure is quite similar. I personally feel that the sum of these are in the 996's favour.
Yes, good point about the 996 turbo. They do fetch a larger price tag, but they are almost bulletproof (outside of the hoses being glued together, but that is fixable).
Thanks for pointing this out. You are correct that the early 2005 cars have a serviceable bearing, where the late 2005 997s changed to the non serviceable bearing. Thanks for watching and for sharing.
Yep. I have a 3/98 build 1999 model C2. Cable throttle, no PSM (stability control), traction control turned off with a button on the dash, rack and pinion steering, etc.
These cars aren’t really the same price. Of course there are 996 Porsches at $25,000, but they start at $12,000 for a decent one in a private transaction. That’s what I paid for my 996.1 C2, and it is terrific.
Good point as I paid $12,500 for a 996.1 C2. Where the match up in price is on the higher end for the 996, something like an early 996.1 coupe with a manual transmission will usually be around $25,000 with lower miles. The 996 will have about 60K miles on it, but a 997.1 for that price will usually have a little over 100K miles. So, you are correct that they only intersect for certain mileage and condition examples. Also, enjoy your 996.1 C2. I bought one just a few months ago and it is a great driver. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts.
I wouldn’t look back either. The 997.2 is probably the sweet spot in many ways of the modern 911. You no longer have the IMS Bearing potentially issue and most prefer the 997 styling. It isn’t as big as a 991 so it has a little more of the sports car feel when compared to a 991 or 992. Thanks for watching and sharing your experience.
I also disagree the IMS isnt easily replaceable on the 997, thats total nonsense.. sorry. Here in the UK it costs around £500 to £800 and is straightforward. You also failed to mention the Gen 2 997 which doesnt have the IMS issue at all!
Fair point as the 2005 model year does have a serviceable bearing, but the rest of the 997.1 Carrera cars does require that the case be split which is what adds to the cost. This particular video was mainly about the 997.1, so I didn’t mention the lack of an IMS Bearing in the 997.2, however I do have a newer video specifically about the .2 and the fact that it doesn’t have an IMS Bearing is covered there. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts.
Im a 996.1 c2 owner(2012-2014) and 997.1 c4s (2019-current). A 996 gives better driv8ng experiences compared to 997. But 997 will have better driving feeling compare a 991 or 992. Cars nowadays r getting faster, but has lost its spiritt they failed to communicate with dtivers
Very good points and when I bought my 911 my price range allowed for a 997, but I decided to go with an early 996.1 for a driving experience that is a bit more analog and for the last year of the cable driven throttle body. Thanks for watching and sharing your experience.
2008 997 C2. Never looked back. Interior is superior, with much better seats; 996 seats are famously torturous. 997 handles much better in stock form. With the 996 Porsche did not trust their mostly inexperienced drivers new mass market buyers. With money, their tendency to over steer can be neutralized. 997 is perfectly neutral out of the box. 996s have been very cheap for a long time; deferred maintenance will be an issue that it simply is not with a 997.
Some good points and I doubt anyone will be unhappy with a 997. The deferred maintenance is a good point and in the long run could make pristine examples of the 996 fairly valuable. But since the 997 commands a higher premium less folks will defer maintenance as you said. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts.
That is hard to tell, but I do think we will at least see a dip as the entire used car market is crazy right now. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
Good point and they are still a bargain even with prices on the rise. Sounds like a topic for a future video... Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts.
You make a very good point. Right now I’m going between purchasing a 997, 996 or 987 Cayman S. Have gone back a forth a bunch, but am leaning more toward the 996 or 987 Cayman S because of the feel of the drive. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts.
@@OurRideLife It's not an easy choice, they're all a little different. The 987 is a lively little car and definitely on the sporty end. I think is also the strong suit of the 996. The biggest thing all things considered, that's kept me in the 996 is the motor. It has a very engaging power curve, wind it up and it rewards you. Drive it lightly it feels like a no stress daily driver. Plus it's straight forward enough to work on if you want to.
Pre-2009 still have the IMS Bearing issue although it is less prone to fail by a large margin when compared to the smaller single row bearing used before the 997. For the most part bore scoring appears to be a bigger issue with the 3.8 cars than the IMS Bearing. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
Good point, if you don’t catch it before it fully goes out it usually will damage your engine to the point that a rebuild is not possible. In this video with the 997 I was talking about needing to rebuild the engine to replace the IMS Bearing before it when out as you have to split the case to replace it. Hopefully, that didn’t cause any confusion. Thanks for watching and for sharing your thoughts.
You do have a point, although the IMS Bearing can be replaced with a solution that changes the design to be like the Mezger engines. So, if you negotiate a low enough price and then have that installed, you would not have to worry about that potential issue. Thanks for taking the time to comment and for watching.
I just bought a 997.1 Carrera S Cabriolet and picking it up on Friday. The car has 53k miles and is Porsche maintained. It also just went through the Porsche 111 used car check. So obviously it had no IMS issues for the last 14 years. Is there any reason I should be scared of a potential future IMS issue?
They are getting harder to find with low mileage, but there are still some out there and they are a great value. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
996.2 C2 manual for the win. I absolutely love mine. Aero kit and wheel spacers do wonders for the looks. I daily drive mine. Keep the 991.2 GT3 6MT for the weekends.
Some very nice cars. I have to say that the 996 has a soft spot in my heart and I think they are starting to get some of the love that they deserve.
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts.
One thing not mentioned was the historical significance of the 996. It marks a lot of “firsts” for the Porsche 911. It was the first water-cooled 911, the first mass-produced 911, the first 911 with non-round headlights, the first 911 to share parts/components with other models. The 996 was the car that caused the rift in the Porsche community-suddenly there were two sides: air-cooled and water-cooled. While the haters still exist, most people have matured and moved on realizing that a 911 is a 911. The 996 plays a big role in Porsche’s history, and it’s a great thing to talk about when chatting with other enthusiasts at shows, cars and coffee, and other events. I used to own a Boxster 986, and that’s a huge reason why I bought a 996. That pure, raw sports car feeling just doesn't exist in anything newer than the 996. And, the reliability of both (986 and 996) has been far superior to any other car I’ve ever owned (and I’ve owned a lot of cars). Anyway, historical significance of the model may or may not matter to a lot of buyers, but I think it's something worth noting.
Very good point and that could affect values in the future. The 996 does represent a major shift for Porsche and because of that there is a good chance that collectors will want one in their garage.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
Having owned a 997.2 C2S for four years and having driven my brother’s ‘99 C2 w/aerokit extensively, I have to disagree with your comment about the 997 being more of a Grand Tourer (as you imply) than the 996. The 997 was built on the same platform and is close in most dimensions. Just because the interior is a big step up doesn’t take away from the small, light and raw feeling of the 997. I’d agree if you were referencing the 991 as the GT car but I think you’re slightly off base with that comment. I do agree that the 996 is a great and pure sports car. Thanks for posting the content.
Thanks for adding your experience. Perhaps stating that the 997 is a Grand Tourer is a bit of a stretch. It is more the start of the move that direction, but it wasn’t until the 991 that you really had more of a Grand Tourer feel.
Honestly, the 997.2 is probably the sweet spot as far as engine reliability, modern conveniences and available at a reasonable price for what you are getting.
Of course the transmission also makes a difference. If the Tiptronic is fitted to the 996 it also has more of a Grand Tourer feel.
There is nothing wrong with a Grand Tourer, just a different driving experience. Incidentally, I recently bought a 996 with a Tiptronic and it is great fun, but it does feel more like a Grand Tourer than the manual version. Still a fun car, just different and easier to live with in traffic.
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts.
being a 2003 986 owner, I really enjoy the feel of the car. I haven't driven a 997 to have an opinion. I like my car quite a bit. The "connected" feeling is what draws me to the 986 and by extension the 996 as well.
Coyote Vapor Works he’s talking 996 vs 997 (911s), not the 986 boxster
@@cgoldens yes I realize that. you didn't understand my entire comment but that is ok. Attention spans are shorter these days.
The 986 is a fun car to drive as is the 996. In a lot of ways they have a similar feel, but the 996 has more power and you can feel that the balance is different.
Starting with the 997 and going to the 991 and 992, the car feels bigger. It is faster, but unless you push it, it doesn’t feel quite as eager. In some ways this is better in a road car, but if you want more of a pure driver experience, the 996 wins there.
Of course Porsche makes a lot of great cars, so pretty much any of them are great cars in one way or another.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Coyote Vapor Works oh I get it, no need for insults, but you can’t compare them, the 986 is mid engine and the 996 is rear, both great cars, cheers
"The pure sports car feeling" is the primary reason for buying a 996. The cable throttle body is desirable, but the extra power and torque and upgrade from variocam to variocam plus in the 3.6 engine of the 996.2 more than compensates and makes the latter just as, if not more, desirable. Sure, the air cooled cars have a more connected and raw experience, but the 996 provides driving Thrill in spades.
Very good point oboist the later cars. Thanks to the serviceable IMS Bearing, you can buy a later car and put in something like the LN IMS Bearing solution and have it run for over 200K miles without big issues (providing you keep up on maintenance).
Thanks for commenting and for watching.
I have driven both the egas and cabled 996, I have to agree David, the feel of a "connection" from my foot to the engine feels alot better than a "wire" Great video.
Thanks for sharing your experience and I’m glad you liked the video.
Also, hope your Boxster project keeps going.
My first Porsche was a 996.2 that I purchased back in 2016, which I recently sold with 67.5K miles on the original IMS bearing. Never had a single issue with it, I only performed regular maintenance and only had to replace the cats which went bad. I just recently switched up to a 997.2 Carrera S I found in a manual gearbox which I couldn't pass up, I do miss the mechanical feel and feedback I had in my 996.2 with a RoW M030 suspension setup I installed on it. My new 997.2 feels a lot more luxurious and refined on the inside, as for the driving experience, well, it feels more forgiving and seems to allow more room for driver error. . I do love the 997.2 S as well, when I hit that "Sport" button with the included Sport Chrono I can definitely get the car more squirrely around the turns and have usable power readily available. Although my 996.2 felt a lot faster, perhaps because it was a smaller and lighter car.
PS - I always laugh at the IMS commentary vloggers and forum posters jib jab about to get likes and views. I can't believe people are still regurgitating this internet scare they read in forums or hear about in other videos.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Sounds like you had a great car and currently have a different great car. I do think because of the internet fear mongering that values of the 996 will stay lower for a while. The 997.2 currently has a good mechanical reputation so values are staying higher.
Having said that, I think that the 996 will eventually see the value jump that we have seen models like the 964 and 911 SC.
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts.
Pulled my IMS out at 86k and it was mint. 99 996 Cab. Born Feb 98.
Nice. I’ve heard a few owners say that. Still not a bad idea to replace with something like the LN Engineering IMS Solution as it takes away the potential of IMS failure, but the 99 cars tend to fair better than later models.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
So depressing to view this vid 2yrs later. There isn't a 997 anywhere under $38K right now w the crazy used market. Missed my window!!!!
It certainly has changed, even a 996 manual coupe for less that $30K and under 100K miles is pretty much impossible to find these days.
Hopefully, you’ll manage to find one at a good price or for you a market Bible bursts and you can find one for a bit less cash.
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts.
I love my 996 Gen1 built in OCT 1998 w/ dual row IMS. However, we decided to do the retrofit LN IMS at 51K just to be safe. It is now "bullet proof". I hope I live to put 200K on it.
Not a bad idea. The dual row has a very low rate of failure, but on the other hand, why take a chance.
Thanks for watching and sharing your experience.
Tom, there are two LN bearings, the retrofit is just a ceramic bearing, and LN estimates the life of it at 80k miles, compared to 50k miles for the stock part. Don't forget to change it, only the LN IMS Solution is meant to be a fit-and-forget part, but this costs twice as much.
Porsche 996 very good point.
I have the 996 C2 and agree with this video. To me, it still drives more like the air-cooled 911 and gives me a sense of nostalgia and enjoyment. It is comfortable enough that I can actually talk my wife into a weekend trip to Monterey; in fact, she prefers to drive it. She would tolerate my previous air-cooled versions but not for the entire weekend.
Thanks for adding the perspective. I was just in Monterey yesterday purchasing a 996 C2. I’ll be having some videos on it soon.
Thanks for watching and sharing your experience.
Not sure about this argument. The IMS issue is a red herring. This is a factor only bc the 996 failure rate. Doesn’t really matter if 997 needs a rebuild bc there isn’t a huge failure risk in that car. Also the interior quality on an early 996 is awful. I owned a 99 and it’s cheap feeling. The later 911s get better in this regard.
Lastly, part of the allure of the Boxster is that it’s much easier to push bc of the mid engine design. You can toss it around much more comfortably. With no weight over the front, the 911 feels very different and very light over the front wheels,
Particularly during her acceleration. Expert drivers can get plenty out of the chassis but for many the Boxsters are simply easier to drive fast in real road scenarios.
Styling is subjective but the 996 headlights are certainly a messier design as well.
There are plenty of price based reasons to go 996, but the traditional throttle is the only objective reason I see based on the cars themselves
Thanks for sharing your thoughts
Very true about the 997 having a much lower IMS Bearing failure rate than the 996 models, especially those with a single row bearing.
Stay tuned for part two of this video as I speak to many things that you listed and talk about why you should buy the 997.
The numbers I have seen say 996.1/996.2/997.1 = 1%/5%/1%, with the 997.1 being slightly lower than the 996.1. The thing is that the 996.1 bearing can be replaced when doing the clutch, and the cars being older, many will already have been done. With the 997.1 the cars are newer, the issue is less known, the engine case needs to be split, yet the chance of failure is quite similar. I personally feel that the sum of these are in the 996's favour.
@@Porsche996-t1y That's because you're completely bias and own a 996.
Vincent T. LOL, no, I bought a 996.1 because of these reasons. Both the 996.2 and the 997.1 are within reach.
996 all day. Most definitely a Turbo - no issue with the IMS
Yes, good point about the 996 turbo. They do fetch a larger price tag, but they are almost bulletproof (outside of the hoses being glued together, but that is fixable).
Early 997’s do have a serviceable ims bearing just like the 996.
Thanks for pointing this out. You are correct that the early 2005 cars have a serviceable bearing, where the late 2005 997s changed to the non serviceable bearing.
Thanks for watching and for sharing.
Analog or assisted car? Of course 996! The very first one without PSM or TC...
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. The early 996 is the last completely analog 911.
Thanks for taking the time to comment and for watching.
Yep. I have a 3/98 build 1999 model C2. Cable throttle, no PSM (stability control), traction control turned off with a button on the dash, rack and pinion steering, etc.
These cars aren’t really the same price. Of course there are 996 Porsches at $25,000, but they start at $12,000 for a decent one in a private transaction. That’s what I paid for my 996.1 C2, and it is terrific.
Good point as I paid $12,500 for a 996.1 C2. Where the match up in price is on the higher end for the 996, something like an early 996.1 coupe with a manual transmission will usually be around $25,000 with lower miles. The 996 will have about 60K miles on it, but a 997.1 for that price will usually have a little over 100K miles.
So, you are correct that they only intersect for certain mileage and condition examples.
Also, enjoy your 996.1 C2. I bought one just a few months ago and it is a great driver.
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts.
997 from 2004 stay in Museum in Gmund :)
Thanks for sharing that and for taking time to comment.
I bought a 997.2 and never looked back.
I wouldn’t look back either. The 997.2 is probably the sweet spot in many ways of the modern 911. You no longer have the IMS Bearing potentially issue and most prefer the 997 styling. It isn’t as big as a 991 so it has a little more of the sports car feel when compared to a 991 or 992.
Thanks for watching and sharing your experience.
I also disagree the IMS isnt easily replaceable on the 997, thats total nonsense.. sorry. Here in the UK it costs around £500 to £800 and is straightforward. You also failed to mention the Gen 2 997 which doesnt have the IMS issue at all!
Fair point as the 2005 model year does have a serviceable bearing, but the rest of the 997.1 Carrera cars does require that the case be split which is what adds to the cost.
This particular video was mainly about the 997.1, so I didn’t mention the lack of an IMS Bearing in the 997.2, however I do have a newer video specifically about the .2 and the fact that it doesn’t have an IMS Bearing is covered there.
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts.
Im a 996.1 c2 owner(2012-2014) and 997.1 c4s (2019-current). A 996 gives better driv8ng experiences compared to 997. But 997 will have better driving feeling compare a 991 or 992. Cars nowadays r getting faster, but has lost its spiritt they failed to communicate with dtivers
Very good points and when I bought my 911 my price range allowed for a 997, but I decided to go with an early 996.1 for a driving experience that is a bit more analog and for the last year of the cable driven throttle body.
Thanks for watching and sharing your experience.
2008 997 C2. Never looked back. Interior is superior, with much better seats; 996 seats are famously torturous. 997 handles much better in stock form. With the 996 Porsche did not trust their mostly inexperienced drivers new mass market buyers. With money, their tendency to over steer can be neutralized. 997 is perfectly neutral out of the box. 996s have been very cheap for a long time; deferred maintenance will be an issue that it simply is not with a 997.
Some good points and I doubt anyone will be unhappy with a 997. The deferred maintenance is a good point and in the long run could make pristine examples of the 996 fairly valuable. But since the 997 commands a higher premium less folks will defer maintenance as you said.
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts.
These cars have gone up a ton. You think the 997 will drop back after the used car crisis ?
That is hard to tell, but I do think we will at least see a dip as the entire used car market is crazy right now.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
Buy a 996 turbo. Bargain of the century. End of story
Good point and they are still a bargain even with prices on the rise. Sounds like a topic for a future video...
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts.
Did it, love it
Well although I like GT cars the 996 is just a better toy car.
You make a very good point. Right now I’m going between purchasing a 997, 996 or 987 Cayman S. Have gone back a forth a bunch, but am leaning more toward the 996 or 987 Cayman S because of the feel of the drive.
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts.
@@OurRideLife It's not an easy choice, they're all a little different. The 987 is a lively little car and definitely on the sporty end. I think is also the strong suit of the 996. The biggest thing all things considered, that's kept me in the 996 is the motor. It has a very engaging power curve, wind it up and it rewards you. Drive it lightly it feels like a no stress daily driver. Plus it's straight forward enough to work on if you want to.
IMS bearing issues not on 3.8L right?
Pre-2009 still have the IMS Bearing issue although it is less prone to fail by a large margin when compared to the smaller single row bearing used before the 997. For the most part bore scoring appears to be a bigger issue with the 3.8 cars than the IMS Bearing.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
@@OurRideLife - 2004 & 2005 MY 997 IMS bearing same as 996 ... 2006 MY 997 on -> New bigger reinforced shaft & bearing.
You can’t rebuild the engine when the IMS bearing goes out. You must scrap it.
Good point, if you don’t catch it before it fully goes out it usually will damage your engine to the point that a rebuild is not possible.
In this video with the 997 I was talking about needing to rebuild the engine to replace the IMS Bearing before it when out as you have to split the case to replace it. Hopefully, that didn’t cause any confusion.
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996: 1998-2004, 997: 2004-2012
Thanks for adding this. Sometimes I forget that this isn’t common knowledge.
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... There are yet 996 C4S & Turbo S from the year 2005!
Doesn’t make sense for me buying a car considering a potential IMS issue. Then you should rather buy none of both.
You do have a point, although the IMS Bearing can be replaced with a solution that changes the design to be like the Mezger engines. So, if you negotiate a low enough price and then have that installed, you would not have to worry about that potential issue.
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I just bought a 997.1 Carrera S Cabriolet and picking it up on Friday. The car has 53k miles and is Porsche maintained. It also just went through the Porsche 111 used car check. So obviously it had no IMS issues for the last 14 years. Is there any reason I should be scared of a potential future IMS issue?
nelson112840 thanks for the help. Will follow your recommendations.
Low mileage 996
They are getting harder to find with low mileage, but there are still some out there and they are a great value.
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