Thank you so much my friend and thank you for helping put this together! It was a true honor and a true please to do this and I greatly thank you. It was amazing fun and so cool to perform
Good idea, or maybe chalk powder as that will cling on its own and probably look better on camera. But still be pretty easy to wash off if you want to.
I heard a lead shot can break an arm through a shield or armor. Not sure if it is from like the best of the best slingers or it was against wicker shields or something. Would be curious to see if anyone could test how much force is being transferred. With a sensor of some sort. Place a pig bone right on the back of a pressed shield tightly. Edit PS. Slings are such an underrated weapon. I wish to see it as an Olympic sport to see what a life long athelete could do! I mean the Baelric Slingers were legendary enough to be reknowned today. They must've been wicked with em. Imagine thousands of slingers raining lead at ya with some suckers in it throwing darts, and shooting arrows. It would have been miserable even if you did have armor.
@@dianapennepacker6854 there are load cells used to measure impact/shock force, but the ones I know of are very small (thus requiring a precise hit on the button) and quite expensive. Easier to cast a ballistic gel arm with bones from a medium game animal inside. Pretty sure you could buy those too, but I guess they don't come cheap.
the other day a slinger hit me with a piece of lead shot going 120mph. of course my first instinct is to pick it up and read what it says. shockingly, it was actually a very positive and encouraging message. the moral of the story is don't jump to conclusions about people's intentions just because they knocked out 15 of your teeth, broke your jaw and gave you a severe concussion 😌
I'm not sure how much more it would cost, but a good way of recording blunt trauma behind armour is is using modelling clay, which will impression the temporary deflection and show how much it would punch the person wearing it great Vid, sling form looks great!
yes precisly my line of questioning,, even dought the armor or shield will deflect the shot,,, it is still going to be very painfull,,, expecialy on the ribs,,, even with out penetration,,,
No one is going to mention that sling bullets are called "glandes" in Latin? Aka acorns, nuts or testicles. Plenty of the inscribed messages are testicle puns.
Just like arrows you need to imagine dozens of guys or more raining shots down on you and your buddies, you might be able to hide under your shields but you're not going anywhere. Hence the Roman tortoise tactic. Cool video 🙂
i come from the gun side of youtube and its so funny this feels like medieval guntube, i like it a lot 😃 a foam torso or something would maybe help ur testresults tho:)
Haha it seem so have fallen a bit into that category but I love it as well haha. It’s like my own little niche. Also yeah I think a foam torso would be good
The lead shot that went into the helmet reminded me that there is a Roman medical manual explaining how to remove a sling stone from the neck of a legionnaire, so that was probably a common area to aim for.
I shoot guns, I shoot traditional bows, compound bows, I can throw knives, and I'm probably forgetting some. I've been wanting to braid my own sling and learn slinging for a while now! I really need to get on this, it looks awesome and super fun!
See, now this makes me believe even more that Tony Stark would be soup in his Ironman armour after taking hits from Hulk, Thor or Captain America. His regular (non-Vibranium) suits would need serious padding to diffuse the impact from damage. Sure, I guess he has some McGuffin that neutralises the pain, but we joked about in 'Indy in the fridge' so why wouldn't it be the same for Tony. Also, I do think the loose layers are better for taking punches or hammer blows, because it's flexible and spreads out the force. Kinda like diving into a brick wall versus diving into a swimming pool. Another great video! 🦾
if vibranium is stiff enough, it should distribute the force quite well :P i've taken hits in 1.6mm limb plate armour with little padding which in maille would break my bones.
Stiff armor plates are definitely better for taking punches and hammer blows. Force is distributed equally across the plate instead of relying on energy being transformed to heat to distribute force. Nothing can stop something like a hulk sized impact, but on a human scale it is the best we got.
Good test. I was expecting a little more from the lead, but maybe the biggest difference would be on an unarmored opponent, or when the shot hits an unarmored area.
@@dashrendar5320 That may be the reason lead was used. More than just damage, the consistency of the sling bullets shape and weight could improve accuracy (once the slinger has attuned his throws to it). Don't worry, I can't talk about your accuracy, as I can only consistantly hit the broad side of a barn. Maybe even the narrow side of the barn... if it's a big enough barn, hehe.
lead should deliver more damage. it is the same weight delivered to a more concentrated area. smaller area should also mean longer range, and more consistent accuracy.
Holy smokes! That first of two throws at 8 minutes would have deleted the lower part of a person's face! The ranks were definitely going to have to close around where that dude was standing. Ouch. "Tell me about the war, grandpa." *Hands kid block of wood that has "I cannot speak" carved on it.
Thank you my friend! They are truly devastating if used correctly for certain and i would probably one be considered to be as Good as a child back in the day
"It's a better analogue for what I think a wooden shield would be." Meanwhile real wooden Viking shield = A couple sheets of paper in thickness, basically.
@@dashrendar5320 Depends on the period. Republican period ones, as well as the more universal thyreos, had a planked construction with a reinforcing spine.
viking shields and late roman shields were quite similar :) also round shields do not have uniform thickness. at the edge where the shiled would move the most from the impact, it is quite thin, but at the center, thickness is almost double that of the edges.
Only the edges, and that was for catching the edged weapon. As they work in there is cloth in front of the wood, hide over the cloth, a boss aka shield-buckler to protect the hand from penetration, another layer of wood facing its grains in the opposite direction, and sandwiched between is more cloth, then in front of the hide of the front 1 more sheet of cloth made to be used as a canvis for painting a banner. Compared to most shields historically for their size they were very light weight but they were made with cunning and competence.
@@dashrendar5320 Matthew Amt made a replica of the Kasr el Harit shield, which came out at under 7kg, while Sergio Escudero's version was 4.8kg. The actual shield was made from three layers of wood, each layer 2-3mm thick at the edge, and a little thicker in the centre. Wolfgang Kimmig said it was covered in felt on both sides, but Polybius' description of Roman scuta gives them one layer of leather on the outside (known archaeologically from other finds to be ~1mm thick) and linen on the inside. The most complete scutum is the 3rd century AD example from Dura Europos, is made from 3 layers of wood (the central core being oak) 1.5-2mm thick at the edge. Replicas are generally between 5.5 and 7.5kg, depending on the materials used and assumptions made. Looking at Early Medieval and later medieval shields, 5-7kg seems to have been the general range of weights for shields. Even the Greek aspsis was usually within this range, the heavier examples having a bronze facing and the lighter end having no bronze or only bronze on the rim. Long story short, authentic shields are surprisingly light and thin compared to standard plywood replicas. They're also much more expensive and/or time consuming to make.
For tracking new damage on shield for each test, you should paint old damage spots with various color code, circle around the hole or into the indentations. i.e.: Red from compound bow, green for 155# bow, and accent color for different tips - white for needle tip, , yellow for bodkin point, etc. Color code your projectile damage, so any new damage you can differentiate from old damage.
It might be worthwhile to invest in a large block of modelling clay as an armor backer, perhaps 20-30 pounds or so. We (collectively) use it in modern soft armor testing for recording backface deformation caused by blunt force because clay doesn't spring back like foam or gelatin does, and clay is decent at recording the penetration depth for edged weapons as well for the same reason. The other neat thing about clay is that once you have a block, you can keep reusing it for quite a while. Even if it air dries between videos, you'd still be able to reconstitute it by pulverizing it and dropping the chunks in a water bucket for a day before remolding the clay into a block by pouring the slurry out into a container of your choice lined with baking paper to prevent sticking.
In the Netherlands these led "balls" were found with thumb prints in them. During a battle they apparently stuck their thumb in the ground, poored led in it, let it cool and shot it. I think it was the Frisians that did this. Not sure though as it's long ago I read about it.
I'm upset this video didn't show up in my suggested list when it posted, even though I've been subbed and usually get notifications before. I started slinging about five months ago because of Dash (with one from Hilltop Hurler) and literally since the beginning I've wondered exactly about this subject. But now all my questions have been answered, and then some! Thanks!
He did get it. Right in the Kisser. If you wanted to be able to track individual pellets , as they rebounded, you could get a flour shifter, and this would enable you to quickly put an even and very thin white coating of flour all around your target area. When you made your cast, you would see the mark on the target or background, but then you would also see immediately where the flour had been disturbed. And you would be able to determine the direction and force of the rebound. And quickly sift more flour down to cover the marks, ready for another shot.
I used to play with these slings as a kid and I remember that I used to be able to get torpedo shaped shot to fly straight. The technique I used was on release to pull down across my body at maybe a 45° angle. The action was to try to roll the shot out of the sling imparting a lateral spin. I don’t think I could get as much power as a normal throw with round shot but it was fun to play around with
Loose layers of linen have the advantage of being able to dull and catch the points more effectively. A "single" piece of glued armor functions as a single hard layer, so once breached will be pierced more easily. With multiple moving layers if the first is pierced it still allows for movement in the under layers that can shift to wrap around the point and hold it rather then also being pierced. It be interesting to see the result of the glued piece over the quilted piece and how they would work together
RANDOM VIDEO IDEA! clay arrow heads fired in the pit already attached, but the shaft is of green (waterlogged throughout as to prevent Buring) shaft is sticking out and away from the heat.
Yeah, that would be crazy. I’m probably gonna do that next time cause I should be able to drill through the lead pretty easy so I’m thinking I might see what I can get.
@dashrendar5320 I get the best buzzing sound from clay spheres because those will spin more randomly than biconical ammo does. I drill the holes using 5mm allen key. Clay shrinks so the actual hole diameter is 4mm. The holes are 10-20mm deep. If you drill all the way through the sound might be much quieter.
7:04 thank you Dash, I'll keep that in mind the next time I run into British roadmen armed with slings Also, according to the documentary "The Last Stand of the 300", linothorax wasn't just glued/unglued linen, apparently there would also be leather and a thin layer of bronze The doc was made by the History Channel so I dunno how much you can really trust it, but if anybody is able to find the sources they used it'd be a great help to this whole linothorax experiment going on rn
Probably the best way to hold your armour samples, shields, or really any other target is held suspended by ratchet straps to immobile objects like a big tree - may want to add a spring as well to add in a bit of easy visual tension control and greater elasticity of the whole system. The core idea is to hold everything from 3? points with fairly good consistently tension and elasticity wise so the energy dissipation potential of the target is as close to consistent as possible, thus really showing the differences between ammunition/weapon in use more. I'd suggest having a man shaped cutout in a solid ply with two of the ratchet straps at the shoulders going sideways and one in the belly to hang a heavy weight off/anchor into the ground, can then attach a layer of sheet of insulation, ballistic gel, foam or whatever between that ply and the flatter test sample or if you need to pad out from the template so the regular armour is more realistically 'worn' (in which case I'd like to see a few 'ribs' perhaps in bent PVC pipe to really hold the armour relatively snugly with that same layer of foam/gel whatever).
@@dashrendar5320 What you do is already of a good quality, and importantly you add in some light-hearted entertainment. So please don't feel you should turn your channel into a more real hard science experimental archaeology channel or put in insane efforts - I'd rather you changed nothing in the methods as long as you keep having so much fun doing it, as that is what really makes it enjoyable to watch.
All "I Know" as a Black Powder muzzle loading enthusiast who poured my 1st lead cast iron soil pipe jiont about age 10? in the early 70's still casting lead. There IS A REASON bullets are Lead and "Plumbers" are plumbers. As a "David" I never could master the Sling, I tried. Stuck with Archery, fire arms, or blades
All those headshots you got is really telling and i would say its the main reason why it doesnt matter if the slings dont penetrate the armor or not. Get hit in the face and you're dead regardless. I love these kind of tests because it really shows these things so clear.
Just thinking, a cheap and practical way to measure impact force might be pressure measurement film, or pressure sensitive film. Basically a bit of paper that has micro capsules of ink that break within specific ranges of force. No expensive sensor to break, 100% reliable and very easy to setup
Great vid man! Love the breakdown and testing. It makes me wonder about a crossing of cultures. What if.. a sling, could throw a shuriken! Slinging a throwing star sounds devastating! Did you start the IceWind Dale trilogy yet? Its epic-ness cannot be understated. Plus there are 6-7 connected trilogy tales! All epic, centered around the best ranger ever written.
Thanks so much. That would be crazy to see. I have never thought of that but would be an interesting amalgamation. I just finished my last Warhammer book and I’m gonna start the audiobook for the Dale trilogy tomorrow! I will let you know how it goes
@dashrendar5320 hell ya I'm there. Similar with the forgotten realms books. I'm nearly finished with all 70. But the 24 drizzt books have been my favorite. They're was no better ranger then drizzt with a blade. I'll start the horus heresy books first with Warhammer. Thanks for the tip.
Friend, thanks for the video! You still need to use a crossbow. In the video, you can pierce armor from crossbows, as well as compare modern and medieval crossbows and do a lot more with them, I think you can figure out what exactly)) I myself have been shooting only with a bow for about 6 years, but recently I started shooting with a crossbow and I really liked it. I made a medieval crossbow and bought a modern crossbow.
Great stuff man. If you ever need a second slinger for a future testing , like maybe, what happens when two stones hit armor at the same time... hit me up! LOL :) Also, I want to get a slinging competition going sometime in the spring, I'm still gauging interest, but if you'd be interested please let me know.
One thing worth noting is that your javelin is more in the size category of a dual-purpose spear. You couldn't actually carry a stack of 4-7 of those in your hand. Javelins of the period tended to have smaller heads and only ~1.8mm shafts. Obviously throwable dual-purpose spears were used a lot too, depending on time and culture, but they are their own thing.
My last sling broke, so I made another. This time I did so good that I didn't need to patch the split in the middle so that means I sized it correctly. It was able to be used to throw both smaller and bigger rocks than the last one. It needed to be broken in. Didn't get the chance. Someone got embarrassed on my behalf because of something I was proud of, and I got pissed off, and broke the sling. You would have to understand that where I come from the whole point of our society is that we don't have a way to vent steam when stressed and the idea is we slowly go mad and cause chaos, and I would rather break my own things than someone else's things or hurt people. So I just need to finish repairing the new sling.
13:40 It would cost a bit upfront, but if you were to invest in 30 or so pounds of modeling clay, a block of that as a backer might serve as a decent medium to show the transfer of energy (and roughly the pattern of dispersal). I'm sure it could come in handy for future experiments as well.
Yes, indeed. That is certainly my plan. I have been looking into getting some modeling clay for that reason a lot of people suggested that and it’s a great idea. So thank you.
Just an idea for you to possibly test. Lloyd from Lindybeige and I had a rather long discussion, first as to whether he had a secret brother in Norway who was a Heavy Metal musician, (see Leo Morrachioli, Frog Leap Studios, House of the Rising Sun cover) but second, that it's possible that ancient soldiers/slingers used fired clay bullets for their slings. Since lead and stone bullets could be difficult to source and it was known that regular dried clay bullets had been used for simple thing like hunting small game, Lloyd and I discussed the possibility of armies making fired clay bullets for practice, and foraging. Just something that you might find interesting.
@@dashrendar5320 exactly. It would give some weighty resistance, but still have some yield, similar to a torso. Like you said cheap and easy. A bag of mulch could also suffice.
perhaps a specifically calibrated sling shot might get you fairly close to the correct speed and spin but with much greater accuracy. granted, I'm sure you're having a blast as is, and its all for fun anyway. I just couldnt stop that part of my brain from chiming in lol.
Haha yeah all about the fun for sure. I have a few different lengths of sling and different materials so with slings it’s just all About constant practice
I've read that good quality silk (few defects) could stop an arrow's progress at a meaningful distance, since the arrow was always spinning it would just get tangled and fail to break skin underneath (which usually resulted in death or amputation at the time). Supposedly the Mongolians used silk tunics for most of their archers (not necessarily only that), the ability to move can make armor more effective, rigidity maximize the force applied. This reduced casualties enough (since the main threat to their archers was other archers, they could use their durability to help lure opponents in). Have you ever tested loose/billowy silk vs an old time-y bow?
Of course the terrifying thing about the sling is the volume of fire they can lay down. A couple might glance of armour but any one of the bullets might kill or at the very least put someone out of action for the battle or longer. I'd be interested to see the same video in a couple of years to see how much of an improvement there is in your accuracy and power generation. Obviously I know you can't go full on sphendonetes for that time but you will still improve.
@@dashrendar5320crazy to think. Need to get your kids out there with a loaf of bread on a stick. xD I'm really looking forward to my boys being old enough to show how to do this stuff, if they get into it they will probably be better than me before they reach secondary school! 😅
I used to shoot 3/8” and 1/2” hex nuts from my wrist rocket slingshot. I also used a 3/8” x 1” long bolts, you can pinch them great in the pouch and they fly nicely,,,, till it hits something. 😂
I am curious what the effects of moving to a longer range is. When you are slinging at the armor, you are in what looks like 'pilum range'. Meaning as you get the momentum up on the sling you are having pilums thrown at your face. Thus the slingers would need to be back further so they can work. Also give us more ground execution tests!!!
Their can't be any debate about glue vs sewn. Manuscripts exist that explain the armor became easier to move in as it warmed up, which happens to match rabbit glue and fish glue(most common type of glue used in ancient times) Sewn armor doesn't become easier to move in as it warms up to body temp.
just spitballing here, but maybe you could dust the projectile with colored chalk? it would make it easier to find your mark. i've never used one of these, so maybe the chalk would drag instead of slipping out easily though. cool video btw.
Lead’s real advantage is extra range, and penetration on unarmoured parts of the body. But the extra range is quite significant. I get 170-200 meters with good stones. And 300-350 meters with lead. So yeah, that’s why they used it , i think, to poke those puny bowmen for example out of their reach, and surprise infantry, with shields down, thinking they’re out of reach😂
slingstones can definitely damage through armor. We have the account of Spanish 15th century officers from an expedition to one of the Islands off the coast of Africa. Where they had to deal with hostile natives using slings and they reported heavy casualties. With many men badly injured or killed right through helmets or munitions grade plate by blunt force from heavy rocks. late rennaissance breastplates were hit so hard ribs were broken behind them, helmets were stove in so far skulls were caved in right through helmet and padding, thighs were broken right through heavy tassets struck so hard they had their rivets burst. These are all from period accounts. So slings with heavy stones are vicious even against some of the most heavily armored soldiers in history.
Yeah it’s true, I have not been raised on the sling like many natives and cannot achieve the same power but even just me slinging heavy stones can crumble steel pretty well
@@dashrendar5320 yeah none of us have been raised with a sling the way a lot of ancient people were. They were likely much better than any of us. But even we can see that if your reasonably strong and use a heavy stone it does a lot of damage. I have an old truck door that looks like somebody took a hammer to it.
Very interesting video. By the way, why don't you use clay bullets? This will allow you to get a projectile of standardized shape and weight. This will greatly simplify training, in comparison with stone bullets. Also, if you dip the bullet in turmeric powder before throwing, the impact point will be much more visible. There are all sorts of powder dyes that are cheap and biodegradable. It can be very interesting to watch on video. Also, if you make clay bullets with a surface similar to a golf ball, you can get greater flight speed and range.
All excellent suggestions my friend! I have never taken the time to make clay bullets but would be a fun build and project to do for sure. But I really like the idea of the powers
@@dashrendar5320I recently watched Todd's video about fire arrows. It made me think that using powder on bullets is a good idea. Also, if you make a clay bullet, you can hollow it out and put lime powder inside. Or something like that. It's interesting how they used that in the past... You don't have to make your own clay bullets. There are plenty of clubs for people who like to make pottery. You can just ask them to help you with the process or just order ready-made bullets.
Lead is soft, so I didn't expect it to be better. The key thing going for it is the ability to pack more pellets in the same bag.. but you are still limited by weight. And economically stones are much cheaper than lead.
Maximus Gainacus!! 🤣 Legendary!
What an amazing test, by an amazing athlete. Now I can't wait for the blade tests.
Thank you so much my friend and thank you for helping put this together! It was a true honor and a true please to do this and I greatly thank you. It was amazing fun and so cool to perform
@@dashrendar5320 Any time brother!
epic!
"We have been trying to reach you about your chariot's extended warranty"
Hahaha winner winner! That gave me a good laugh
😂😂😂 good one 😂
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Cover the shield with white paper, a thin layer. No added resistance, but the impact point becomes easily spotted. Other than that... you're amazing!
Oh man great call! Thanks so much for that my friend, greatly appreciate the feedback and the kind words
Good idea, or maybe chalk powder as that will cling on its own and probably look better on camera. But still be pretty easy to wash off if you want to.
I heard a lead shot can break an arm through a shield or armor.
Not sure if it is from like the best of the best slingers or it was against wicker shields or something. Would be curious to see if anyone could test how much force is being transferred. With a sensor of some sort.
Place a pig bone right on the back of a pressed shield tightly.
Edit PS. Slings are such an underrated weapon. I wish to see it as an Olympic sport to see what a life long athelete could do!
I mean the Baelric Slingers were legendary enough to be reknowned today. They must've been wicked with em.
Imagine thousands of slingers raining lead at ya with some suckers in it throwing darts, and shooting arrows. It would have been miserable even if you did have armor.
@@dianapennepacker6854 there are load cells used to measure impact/shock force, but the ones I know of are very small (thus requiring a precise hit on the button) and quite expensive.
Easier to cast a ballistic gel arm with bones from a medium game animal inside.
Pretty sure you could buy those too, but I guess they don't come cheap.
the other day a slinger hit me with a piece of lead shot going 120mph. of course my first instinct is to pick it up and read what it says. shockingly, it was actually a very positive and encouraging message. the moral of the story is don't jump to conclusions about people's intentions just because they knocked out 15 of your teeth, broke your jaw and gave you a severe concussion 😌
Hahahaa that comment made my day
Roman fortune cookies 😂
Marking ordnance with snarky sayings is a great morale builder.
Indeed haha. Goes back as far as man could write honestly 😂
@@gozer87 Snarky Ordinance sounds like an ancient punk band
@@grayshadow1856and now I'm trying to picture Sabaton sounding pink.
@@dashrendar5320we really haven’t changed, drawing peens as graffiti and the Viking writing “Erick was here” on a landmark
Always great to see more sling content!
Glad you enjoy it! Always a blast to do for sure
I'm not sure how much more it would cost, but a good way of recording blunt trauma behind armour is is using modelling clay, which will impression the temporary deflection and show how much it would punch the person wearing it
great Vid, sling form looks great!
Oh that’s a great idea!! Thanks for that man, solid way to do it. I will incorporate that next time for sure
yes precisly my line of questioning,, even dought the armor or shield will deflect the shot,,, it is still going to be very painfull,,, expecialy on the ribs,,, even with out penetration,,,
What you have described is called back face deformation
@dashrendar5320
Steal the kids playdough.
NIJ uses clay to test backface deformation on body armor. It's only allowed to push a certain amount and still be rated for the caliber.
Got to love how writing insults on projectiles is a two millenia old tradition we still keep. 😂
Hahaha I know right, humans never change…just the weapons
We passed around notes in class, our ancestors hurled around lead shot with insults (at mach Jesus). We’re not the same.
😂😂😂😂
No one is going to mention that sling bullets are called "glandes" in Latin? Aka acorns, nuts or testicles. Plenty of the inscribed messages are testicle puns.
Hahaha well it’s been mentioned now 😂
Good tests. Respect for being willing to dent your armour.
Thanks my dude, it’s got some character now for sure haha
Always perfect timing with these
Awesome! Hope you enjoy!
Just like arrows you need to imagine dozens of guys or more raining shots down on you and your buddies, you might be able to hide under your shields but you're not going anywhere. Hence the Roman tortoise tactic. Cool video 🙂
Yeah for sure it’s all about the mass fire, hundreds of those things flying through the air would really make you just drop
i come from the gun side of youtube and its so funny this feels like medieval guntube, i like it a lot 😃 a foam torso or something would maybe help ur testresults tho:)
Haha it seem so have fallen a bit into that category but I love it as well haha. It’s like my own little niche. Also yeah I think a foam torso would be good
The Romans also used to stick their thumb in the sand on a beach and fill the hole with lead.
Very quick way of making ammo on the fly
They were certainly always the kings of work smarter not harder
The lead shot that went into the helmet reminded me that there is a Roman medical manual explaining how to remove a sling stone from the neck of a legionnaire, so that was probably a common area to aim for.
Oh man, yeah I remember reading about that specific tools ash techniques used to remove lead from flesh…kinda chilling to think about
I'm surprised the Metatron hasn't reacted to this yet!
Haha well I am still quite a small channel…possibly one day 😂
Very good! Keep in mind if it was easy to penetrate a shield nobody would have bothered with them. 😮
Haha truer words never spoken…
Always an awesome day when you upload buddy😁 Love the sling stuff. Love from Australia😁
Always glad you enjoy it my Australian friend! The sling is always fun to get and and make some videos with
I love how he got the most goofy part of history right on writing foul things on projectiles traveling at Mach jesus
I shoot guns, I shoot traditional bows, compound bows, I can throw knives, and I'm probably forgetting some. I've been wanting to braid my own sling and learn slinging for a while now! I really need to get on this, it looks awesome and super fun!
It’s an absolute blast my friend! Lots of patience
And lots of room needed to practice though haha
See, now this makes me believe even more that Tony Stark would be soup in his Ironman armour after taking hits from Hulk, Thor or Captain America. His regular (non-Vibranium) suits would need serious padding to diffuse the impact from damage. Sure, I guess he has some McGuffin that neutralises the pain, but we joked about in 'Indy in the fridge' so why wouldn't it be the same for Tony.
Also, I do think the loose layers are better for taking punches or hammer blows, because it's flexible and spreads out the force. Kinda like diving into a brick wall versus diving into a swimming pool. Another great video! 🦾
Haha yeah I agree that he would be absolutely mush 😂😂 also so glad you enjoyed it, was a super fun video
if vibranium is stiff enough, it should distribute the force quite well :P i've taken hits in 1.6mm limb plate armour with little padding which in maille would break my bones.
Stiff armor plates are definitely better for taking punches and hammer blows. Force is distributed equally across the plate instead of relying on energy being transformed to heat to distribute force. Nothing can stop something like a hulk sized impact, but on a human scale it is the best we got.
Girlfriend: he's never home. i bet he's checking out other women right now.
Him:
Hahahaha why my wife never has to worry about me…”where is my husband….oh there is…playing dress up in the back yard…”
@@dashrendar5320So.... when you told her you were out "slinging" she understood.
@@JugglesGrenadeshahahaa that’s a winner of a comment right there 😂
Good test. I was expecting a little more from the lead, but maybe the biggest difference would be on an unarmored opponent, or when the shot hits an unarmored area.
I think yes but also I think it’s a skill issue. I have never used lead before and I think I need to refine my throw to add more speed and power
@@dashrendar5320 That may be the reason lead was used. More than just damage, the consistency of the sling bullets shape and weight could improve accuracy (once the slinger has attuned his throws to it).
Don't worry, I can't talk about your accuracy, as I can only consistantly hit the broad side of a barn. Maybe even the narrow side of the barn... if it's a big enough barn, hehe.
lead should deliver more damage. it is the same weight delivered to a more concentrated area. smaller area should also mean longer range, and more consistent accuracy.
Haha I feel you there my friend! Took a long time for me to even learn to get it to even go straight 😂
@@GUNNER67akaKelt Look on it as being able to hit a platoon sized target...
Holy smokes! That first of two throws at 8 minutes would have deleted the lower part of a person's face! The ranks were definitely going to have to close around where that dude was standing. Ouch. "Tell me about the war, grandpa." *Hands kid block of wood that has "I cannot speak" carved on it.
Hahahahahaah oh man that had a backstory and a conclusion 😂
You are a very decent shot with that sling, i was watching this video and about half way thru i realized what i was actually seeing,
Lethal.
Thank you my friend! They are truly devastating if used correctly for certain and i would probably one be considered to be as
Good as a child back in the day
"It's a better analogue for what I think a wooden shield would be."
Meanwhile real wooden Viking shield = A couple sheets of paper in thickness, basically.
Haha I was referring more to a Roman shield, which were heavy duty and had lots of layers of wood…I could have been more clear though
@@dashrendar5320 Depends on the period. Republican period ones, as well as the more universal thyreos, had a planked construction with a reinforcing spine.
viking shields and late roman shields were quite similar :) also round shields do not have uniform thickness. at the edge where the shiled would move the most from the impact, it is quite thin, but at the center, thickness is almost double that of the edges.
Only the edges, and that was for catching the edged weapon. As they work in there is cloth in front of the wood, hide over the cloth, a boss aka shield-buckler to protect the hand from penetration, another layer of wood facing its grains in the opposite direction, and sandwiched between is more cloth, then in front of the hide of the front 1 more sheet of cloth made to be used as a canvis for painting a banner.
Compared to most shields historically for their size they were very light weight but they were made with cunning and competence.
@@dashrendar5320 Matthew Amt made a replica of the Kasr el Harit shield, which came out at under 7kg, while Sergio Escudero's version was 4.8kg.
The actual shield was made from three layers of wood, each layer 2-3mm thick at the edge, and a little thicker in the centre. Wolfgang Kimmig said it was covered in felt on both sides, but Polybius' description of Roman scuta gives them one layer of leather on the outside (known archaeologically from other finds to be ~1mm thick) and linen on the inside.
The most complete scutum is the 3rd century AD example from Dura Europos, is made from 3 layers of wood (the central core being oak) 1.5-2mm thick at the edge. Replicas are generally between 5.5 and 7.5kg, depending on the materials used and assumptions made.
Looking at Early Medieval and later medieval shields, 5-7kg seems to have been the general range of weights for shields. Even the Greek aspsis was usually within this range, the heavier examples having a bronze facing and the lighter end having no bronze or only bronze on the rim.
Long story short, authentic shields are surprisingly light and thin compared to standard plywood replicas. They're also much more expensive and/or time consuming to make.
For tracking new damage on shield for each test, you should paint old damage spots with various color code, circle around the hole or into the indentations. i.e.: Red from compound bow, green for 155# bow, and accent color for different tips - white for needle tip, , yellow for bodkin point, etc. Color code your projectile damage, so any new damage you can differentiate from old damage.
Yeah I am gonna bet a bit more organized haha. Been running fast and loose but I need to lock it down a little bit, great suggestions
It might be worthwhile to invest in a large block of modelling clay as an armor backer, perhaps 20-30 pounds or so. We (collectively) use it in modern soft armor testing for recording backface deformation caused by blunt force because clay doesn't spring back like foam or gelatin does, and clay is decent at recording the penetration depth for edged weapons as well for the same reason. The other neat thing about clay is that once you have a block, you can keep reusing it for quite a while. Even if it air dries between videos, you'd still be able to reconstitute it by pulverizing it and dropping the chunks in a water bucket for a day before remolding the clay into a block by pouring the slurry out into a container of your choice lined with baking paper to prevent sticking.
Thank you for that. I actually had a few people suggest that and it’s really a brilliant idea.I will make sure to incorporate that in future videos
He might need a fair deal more than 30lbs to have it behind a decent bit of the armor without being really thin. Probably 50lbs of it might be enough.
@@Specter_1125 I'm sure he'll find a satisfactory solution.
In the Netherlands these led "balls" were found with thumb prints in them.
During a battle they apparently stuck their thumb in the ground, poored led in it, let it cool and shot it.
I think it was the Frisians that did this. Not sure though as it's long ago I read about it.
I remember reading about that too. I forget exactly who is in reference to, but it’s a really cool little snippet of history
Great video! Enjoyed this while munching on some rotisserie chicken and spinach. Looking forward to the next vid!
Awesome! Never a bad day to watch a fun video snd have some chicken and spinach
I did, I really did, I enjoyed that. Thank you!
Happy you did my friend 💪🪨
The biggest advantage the led shot has is they are consistent in size and shape. Which greatly helps in accurate shot placement.
It’s very true, even anecdotally when I’m using consistent size lead it tends to group much better
I'm upset this video didn't show up in my suggested list when it posted, even though I've been subbed and usually get notifications before.
I started slinging about five months ago because of Dash (with one from Hilltop Hurler) and literally since the beginning I've wondered exactly about this subject. But now all my questions have been answered, and then some! Thanks!
Thats so cool! I was so happy I was able to answer those questions and glad you have still been sticking with it my friend
Some Of That Lead Slingshot Ammo Had Obscene Words And Images!
You just know someone was slinging dicks at their enemies.
I love the weapon tests!
Glad you enjoy it my friend
Last laptop breaks + modern demand for private information in order to activate new laptop = new profile and artifically produced new subscriber.
Haha wooo!! Gaming the system
@@dashrendar5320 Well if big tec don't like it its their own bitch ass whore fault.
Awesome video bro!
Thanks my dude ! So glad you enjoyed it
He did get it. Right in the Kisser.
If you wanted to be able to track individual pellets , as they rebounded, you could get a flour shifter, and this would enable you to quickly put an even and very thin white coating of flour all around your target area.
When you made your cast, you would see the mark on the target or background,
but then you would also see immediately where the flour had been disturbed. And you would be able to determine the direction and force of the rebound.
And quickly sift more flour down to cover the marks, ready for another shot.
Ah excellent call! Very helpful thank you my friend
I love this channel. It is the correctness of nerdy and manly.
Haha the golden ratio I strive for
I used to play with these slings as a kid and I remember that I used to be able to get torpedo shaped shot to fly straight. The technique I used was on release to pull down across my body at maybe a 45° angle. The action was to try to roll the shot out of the sling imparting a lateral spin. I don’t think I could get as much power as a normal throw with round shot but it was fun to play around with
Yes finally, this is what i waiting for 🗣💥
Yes! It was a ton of fun! Might try drilling a hole for whistling shot next
8:03 Throat shot with a sling sounds one of the most painful besides like the obvious ones for example 👁️, or 🏀🏈⚾️⚽️. Much love from Texas 👋🤠
Dude I can only imagine….the throat would be so bad…just like give enough time to reflect on how horrible your situation is
The precision you have with so many weapons is impressive. Wish you lived close by. 😅
Thank you kindly my friend! Greatly appreciate it, lots of outdated skills here 😂😂
Loose layers of linen have the advantage of being able to dull and catch the points more effectively. A "single" piece of glued armor functions as a single hard layer, so once breached will be pierced more easily. With multiple moving layers if the first is pierced it still allows for movement in the under layers that can shift to wrap around the point and hold it rather then also being pierced. It be interesting to see the result of the glued piece over the quilted piece and how they would work together
Pushing the envelope again. Excellent video!
Thank you as always my friend 😁
RANDOM VIDEO IDEA! clay arrow heads fired in the pit already attached, but the shaft is of green (waterlogged throughout as to prevent Buring) shaft is sticking out and away from the heat.
Hmm that’s a pretty cool idea..I would need to
See how that works out on paper
This is a great channel
Thank you my friend. I truly appreciate that
Loved it. I have heard that lead was often drilled out so it whistled in the air. Imagine the sound of that
Yeah, that would be crazy. I’m probably gonna do that next time cause I should be able to drill through the lead pretty easy so I’m thinking I might see what I can get.
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I get the best buzzing sound from clay spheres because those will spin more randomly than biconical ammo does. I drill the holes using 5mm allen key. Clay shrinks so the actual hole diameter is 4mm. The holes are 10-20mm deep. If you drill all the way through the sound might be much quieter.
Thanks man! I will try some variables to see what does best but appreciate you putting out your results so I can learn from them 💪🪨
7:04 thank you Dash, I'll keep that in mind the next time I run into British roadmen armed with slings
Also, according to the documentary "The Last Stand of the 300", linothorax wasn't just glued/unglued linen, apparently there would also be leather and a thin layer of bronze
The doc was made by the History Channel so I dunno how much you can really trust it, but if anybody is able to find the sources they used it'd be a great help to this whole linothorax experiment going on rn
Probably the best way to hold your armour samples, shields, or really any other target is held suspended by ratchet straps to immobile objects like a big tree - may want to add a spring as well to add in a bit of easy visual tension control and greater elasticity of the whole system. The core idea is to hold everything from 3? points with fairly good consistently tension and elasticity wise so the energy dissipation potential of the target is as close to consistent as possible, thus really showing the differences between ammunition/weapon in use more.
I'd suggest having a man shaped cutout in a solid ply with two of the ratchet straps at the shoulders going sideways and one in the belly to hang a heavy weight off/anchor into the ground, can then attach a layer of sheet of insulation, ballistic gel, foam or whatever between that ply and the flatter test sample or if you need to pad out from the template so the regular armour is more realistically 'worn' (in which case I'd like to see a few 'ribs' perhaps in bent PVC pipe to really hold the armour relatively snugly with that same layer of foam/gel whatever).
Thanks man! Yeah i am still learning so I really appreciate the input
@@dashrendar5320 What you do is already of a good quality, and importantly you add in some light-hearted entertainment. So please don't feel you should turn your channel into a more real hard science experimental archaeology channel or put in insane efforts - I'd rather you changed nothing in the methods as long as you keep having so much fun doing it, as that is what really makes it enjoyable to watch.
Thank you! That is ver kind of you to say and I am so glad you enjoy it
All "I Know" as a Black Powder muzzle loading enthusiast who poured my 1st lead cast iron soil pipe jiont about age 10? in the early 70's still casting lead. There IS A REASON bullets are Lead and "Plumbers" are plumbers.
As a "David" I never could master the Sling, I tried. Stuck with Archery, fire arms, or blades
Future video ideas, sling vs: accordion, Cybertruck, bouncy castle, animatronic Santa, weather balloon filled with mayonnaise
Hahaha I am game for all of those 😂😂
Pro tip. Use chalk to mark every hit. Easy to see new ones then. :)
Ah brilliant solution! So easy. Thank for that my friend
@@dashrendar5320hey, tnx, hope it helps. That lorica segmentata looks expensive, hope u can pound out the dents. :)
Haha yeah they were Just little dings. Just adds character 😂
All those headshots you got is really telling and i would say its the main reason why it doesnt matter if the slings dont penetrate the armor or not. Get hit in the face and you're dead regardless. I love these kind of tests because it really shows these things so clear.
Yeah man if that hits anywhere near the face it’s gonna shatter a lot of bone
I would say the glue one seem like a plate armor style as the one stitch together is like a ring mail. Two opposite way to protect yourself.
Yeah that’s true: there is a lot of debate about how it was used I am not smart enough to say for sure 😂
Just thinking, a cheap and practical way to measure impact force might be pressure measurement film, or pressure sensitive film. Basically a bit of paper that has micro capsules of ink that break within specific ranges of force. No expensive sensor to break, 100% reliable and very easy to setup
Oh good call man! I will look into that, I have heard about that stuff but completely forgot about it, would be awesome to incorporate
ANCIENT SCIENCE, Let’s GOOOO 🎉🎉🎉
Heck yes!!
Impressive skills!
Thank you kindly my friend
@@dashrendar5320 Thank you for sharing friend!
Great vid man! Love the breakdown and testing. It makes me wonder about a crossing of cultures. What if.. a sling, could throw a shuriken! Slinging a throwing star sounds devastating!
Did you start the IceWind Dale trilogy yet? Its epic-ness cannot be understated. Plus there are 6-7 connected trilogy tales! All epic, centered around the best ranger ever written.
Thanks so much. That would be crazy to see. I have never thought of that but would be an interesting amalgamation. I just finished my last Warhammer book and I’m gonna start the audiobook for the Dale trilogy tomorrow! I will let you know how it goes
@dashrendar5320 how was Warhammer? I'm ready for a new series.
Man thee are like 700 books haha. But the “Horus heresy” is a good series and a great start
@dashrendar5320 hell ya I'm there. Similar with the forgotten realms books. I'm nearly finished with all 70. But the 24 drizzt books have been my favorite. They're was no better ranger then drizzt with a blade. I'll start the horus heresy books first with Warhammer. Thanks for the tip.
One quite common sling projectile used to be made of clay. Easy to shape and cheap to be produced.
Yeah I was actually planning on making some in the near future of varying shapes and such to try it out be stone and lead
Loving that skit!
Haha thanks my dude
Styrofoam is cheaper and readily available for backing material, but I suggest clay for videos. It shows the impression better. And, it is reusable.
Yeah I had a few people suggest that actually. Will for sure incorporate in future videos
That was going to be my suggestion. I hope to see it in future videos.
When we're all picking our teams for post-apocalyptic survival, I call dibs on this guy.
Been waiting for this...
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Friend, thanks for the video! You still need to use a crossbow. In the video, you can pierce armor from crossbows, as well as compare modern and medieval crossbows and do a lot more with them, I think you can figure out what exactly)) I myself have been shooting only with a bow for about 6 years, but recently I started shooting with a crossbow and I really liked it. I made a medieval crossbow and bought a modern crossbow.
Working on that actually. Talking to a friend who may keep me use a solid goats foot crossbow
You need to invite Metatron to come over to your ranch. He’s a nice chap, would love your experiments and it’d be an interesting collaboration to see.
Haha that would be fun for sure, I think he is a bit far away though 😂 but yeah he has such amazing encyclopedic knowledge
Mashallah Tabarkallah thank you for sharing 🎉
You are most welcome my friend, hope you enjoyed it
Fuckin sweet new historical weapon video. Nice.
Hope you enjoy my friend!
Great stuff man.
If you ever need a second slinger for a future testing , like maybe, what happens when two stones hit armor at the same time... hit me up! LOL :)
Also, I want to get a slinging competition going sometime in the spring, I'm still gauging interest, but if you'd be interested please let me know.
Thanks man so glad you enjoyed it! Maybe one day would be super cool to do 💪🪨
It would be really cool if you had some Tungston shot for the sling. Considering how heavy it is.
Yeah that would legit be very fun to see!
One thing worth noting is that your javelin is more in the size category of a dual-purpose spear. You couldn't actually carry a stack of 4-7 of those in your hand.
Javelins of the period tended to have smaller heads and only ~1.8mm shafts. Obviously throwable dual-purpose spears were used a lot too, depending on time and culture, but they are their own thing.
Yes very true, I want to get an actual javelin soon but have not made the time yet
My last sling broke, so I made another. This time I did so good that I didn't need to patch the split in the middle so that means I sized it correctly. It was able to be used to throw both smaller and bigger rocks than the last one. It needed to be broken in.
Didn't get the chance. Someone got embarrassed on my behalf because of something I was proud of, and I got pissed off, and broke the sling.
You would have to understand that where I come from the whole point of our society is that we don't have a way to vent steam when stressed and the idea is we slowly go mad and cause chaos, and I would rather break my own things than someone else's things or hurt people.
So I just need to finish repairing the new sling.
Total War: Rome taught me slingers are the deadliest unit on the battlefield, they decimate pretty much every unit in the game lol
That's definitely true, those RTW units were lethal
Especially if you got them around onto a flank and could get around the shields of a phalanx.
13:40 It would cost a bit upfront, but if you were to invest in 30 or so pounds of modeling clay, a block of that as a backer might serve as a decent medium to show the transfer of energy (and roughly the pattern of dispersal). I'm sure it could come in handy for future experiments as well.
Yes, indeed. That is certainly my plan. I have been looking into getting some modeling clay for that reason a lot of people suggested that and it’s a great idea. So thank you.
Don't feel bad, the 100lb compound is within usability of far more people than the 130lb'er, the latter is a monster that takes one to draw it :P
Hahaha indeed…I don’t really mind I just like having fun with it 😂
Just an idea for you to possibly test. Lloyd from Lindybeige and I had a rather long discussion, first as to whether he had a secret brother in Norway who was a Heavy Metal musician, (see Leo Morrachioli, Frog Leap Studios, House of the Rising Sun cover) but second, that it's possible that ancient soldiers/slingers used fired clay bullets for their slings. Since lead and stone bullets could be difficult to source and it was known that regular dried clay bullets had been used for simple thing like hunting small game, Lloyd and I discussed the possibility of armies making fired clay bullets for practice, and foraging.
Just something that you might find interesting.
i believe some sling bullets were sharpened to a point, it would be interesting to see these tests with the sharpened lead bullets
I can certainly try that I was gonna cast some lead and make a much larger pointed shot
Ahhh, I see. Wearing the bright red uniform of sniper units, are we? Very terrifying. (Suppressing laughter)
Haha the ultimate color of stealth!!
My suggestion for a good target backer would be a sand bag, or bag of soil. joerg Sprave has used that in the past and called it a "dirt bag!".
Ah good call. Cheap and easy
@@dashrendar5320 exactly. It would give some weighty resistance, but still have some yield, similar to a torso. Like you said cheap and easy. A bag of mulch could also suffice.
Enhanced with vicious mockery, which is an additional one d4 psychic damage
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perhaps a specifically calibrated sling shot might get you fairly close to the correct speed and spin but with much greater accuracy.
granted, I'm sure you're having a blast as is, and its all for fun anyway. I just couldnt stop that part of my brain from chiming in lol.
Haha yeah all about the fun for sure. I have a few different lengths of sling and different materials so with slings it’s just all
About constant practice
I've read that good quality silk (few defects) could stop an arrow's progress at a meaningful distance, since the arrow was always spinning it would just get tangled and fail to break skin underneath (which usually resulted in death or amputation at the time). Supposedly the Mongolians used silk tunics for most of their archers (not necessarily only that), the ability to move can make armor more effective, rigidity maximize the force applied. This reduced casualties enough (since the main threat to their archers was other archers, they could use their durability to help lure opponents in). Have you ever tested loose/billowy silk vs an old time-y bow?
You know I have never tried silk, I have heard it does a good job man’s would be fun to test but I need to spec out the best way to build it up
Man now I want to see this versus the riot shield material
Haha that will be in the next few weeks for sure
Of course the terrifying thing about the sling is the volume of fire they can lay down. A couple might glance of armour but any one of the bullets might kill or at the very least put someone out of action for the battle or longer. I'd be interested to see the same video in a couple of years to see how much of an improvement there is in your accuracy and power generation. Obviously I know you can't go full on sphendonetes for that time but you will still improve.
Yes indeed! I will continue to strive to improve and hopefully one day I can at least be as good as a young child was back in the day 😂
@@dashrendar5320crazy to think. Need to get your kids out there with a loaf of bread on a stick. xD
I'm really looking forward to my boys being old enough to show how to do this stuff, if they get into it they will probably be better than me before they reach secondary school! 😅
I used to shoot 3/8” and 1/2” hex nuts from my wrist rocket slingshot. I also used a 3/8” x 1” long bolts, you can pinch them great in the pouch and they fly nicely,,,, till it hits something. 😂
Haha I like it! Solid improvised projectile
nice work
Thank you my friend💪🪨
Just checking on all the ladies to make sure they made it. With all the talk of thrusting and depth I was growing concerned. 😂
Alright haha that legit made me laugh out loud 😂😂 well done sir
I am curious what the effects of moving to a longer range is. When you are slinging at the armor, you are in what looks like 'pilum range'. Meaning as you get the momentum up on the sling you are having pilums thrown at your face. Thus the slingers would need to be back further so they can work.
Also give us more ground execution tests!!!
True true. That would be an interesting video to explore in more depth
Rock and stone!
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he Dash, are you a Sqizo? 🤣 I love how you do the different characters 🥰
Haha so glad you enjoy it. For some reason making the extra characters just added more fun and depth to the videos so I just kept rolling with it
@@dashrendar5320 keep it up, not only you bring things back to basics, you make it fun to watch. I love basics and you are nailing it my man 💪🏼🏹
I know you follow Todd, I hope you and Todd Collab at some point, I'd also love you and Georg Sprava to link up at some point 😬
@8:55 👍🏻
Montage!!! 😂
Their can't be any debate about glue vs sewn.
Manuscripts exist that explain the armor became easier to move in as it warmed up, which happens to match rabbit glue and fish glue(most common type of glue used in ancient times)
Sewn armor doesn't become easier to move in as it warms up to body temp.
just spitballing here, but maybe you could dust the projectile with colored chalk? it would make it easier to find your mark.
i've never used one of these, so maybe the chalk would drag instead of slipping out easily though.
cool video btw.
Yeah, I actually had a few people suggest that it’s a great idea. Actually, I will be sure to incorporate it next sling video
Lead’s real advantage is extra range, and penetration on unarmoured parts of the body. But the extra range is quite significant. I get 170-200 meters with good stones. And 300-350 meters with lead. So yeah, that’s why they used it , i think, to poke those puny bowmen for example out of their reach, and surprise infantry, with shields down, thinking they’re out of reach😂
Haha down with the bowmen haha. Yeah it’s
Crazy that at they time they could out range the bows
@ with a piece of rope lol.
Meassuring oz in 2024?! Apart from that, great vid.
Hahahaha what can I say, I am a sucker the classics
slingstones can definitely damage through armor. We have the account of Spanish 15th century officers from an expedition to one of the Islands off the coast of Africa. Where they had to deal with hostile natives using slings and they reported heavy casualties. With many men badly injured or killed right through helmets or munitions grade plate by blunt force from heavy rocks. late rennaissance breastplates were hit so hard ribs were broken behind them, helmets were stove in so far skulls were caved in right through helmet and padding, thighs were broken right through heavy tassets struck so hard they had their rivets burst. These are all from period accounts. So slings with heavy stones are vicious even against some of the most heavily armored soldiers in history.
Yeah it’s true, I have not been raised on the sling like many natives and cannot achieve the same power but even just me slinging heavy stones can crumble steel pretty well
@@dashrendar5320 yeah none of us have been raised with a sling the way a lot of ancient people were. They were likely much better than any of us. But even we can see that if your reasonably strong and use a heavy stone it does a lot of damage. I have an old truck door that looks like somebody took a hammer to it.
TLDR: Without; you're dead. With; you have a chance.
Haha a fair summation
Very interesting video. By the way, why don't you use clay bullets? This will allow you to get a projectile of standardized shape and weight. This will greatly simplify training, in comparison with stone bullets.
Also, if you dip the bullet in turmeric powder before throwing, the impact point will be much more visible. There are all sorts of powder dyes that are cheap and biodegradable. It can be very interesting to watch on video.
Also, if you make clay bullets with a surface similar to a golf ball, you can get greater flight speed and range.
All excellent suggestions my friend! I have never taken the time to make clay bullets but would be a fun build and project to do for sure. But I really like the idea of the powers
@@dashrendar5320I recently watched Todd's video about fire arrows. It made me think that using powder on bullets is a good idea. Also, if you make a clay bullet, you can hollow it out and put lime powder inside. Or something like that.
It's interesting how they used that in the past...
You don't have to make your own clay bullets. There are plenty of clubs for people who like to make pottery. You can just ask them to help you with the process or just order ready-made bullets.
Dude you are full of great ideas haha: I will reach out to some pottery shops
Lead is soft, so I didn't expect it to be better. The key thing going for it is the ability to pack more pellets in the same bag.. but you are still limited by weight. And economically stones are much cheaper than lead.
Very true, range is also superior but for logistics is much more efficient as well