It's nice to listen to a manufacturers rep that knows exactly what they are talking about. You should do more of those factory visits; winches, recovery gear, tents, axles, lights, etc.
That guy is wrong about the 100psi in a little line makes it 600psi. A 100psi in a 2” line vs a 1/4” is still a 100psi. The velocity (speed) of the air moves faster in a smaller line. Bernoulli's theorem says that there should be a reduction in pressure when the area is reduced. ... The narrower the pipe, the higher the velocity and the greater the pressure drop.
As you said, the pressure remains the same, it is the force that drops. 100psi across 1 square inch is 100 pounds of force, but that same 100psi across a half square inch is 50 pounds of force, but it will move twice as fast.
JKL is correct, 100PSI inside a dirigible ( if you could ever inflate it that high w/o an explosion ) would be the same as the inside of a portable air carry can in your 4x4. PSI is PSI, its absolute, not a volume relative measurement.
@@frontiergeek4953 Would you mind taking the time to explain what effect this has in relation to what the guy in the video said? Is he just incorrectly describing an actual change in performance or is there no difference?
@@EoWKen As JKL said, its still 100 PSI, but due to the small size line the air velocity is much higher, meaning its got the same push behind it (pressure) but the speed of the air is faster. It locks fast because of the velocity of the air. The ARB guy is trying to explain why its so quick but got the why wrong
For about $1k less then an ARB air locker I had an OX cable activated locker with the electrical solenoid option installed - push button activation convince - immediate action! NO air leeks to chase down - no differential tear down for an air leak.
Had the issue he talks about at 13:00 with my "Professionally installed" ARB in the 8.8 in my TJ. Only instead of leaking, the seal housing spun around on the bearing journal and the copper line was chewed up by the ring gear. Twice. Got on the phone with ARB USA and they sent me a new seal housing for free. (~$100 part. Awesome customer service!) Ordered an install kit, and set the differential up myself. Ended up with .060" more shim than the "professional" did when they set it up.
I’ve had an ARB in my rear D44 for 10 years. Works without fail. Disconnects instantly. Been living in Utah for 6 years and needed a front locker to be able to wheel on the more advanced trails out here. Could not afford another ARB D30. Bought a Yukon Zip locker and never looked back. Operates just as well as ARB and is supposed to be as bulletproof as the ARB for $200 less.
Absolutely hated my ARB lockers. The front was broke all the time with a 44 in a TJ. The rear was ok just had problems with air leaks. I could never count on making it out of a trail so I did Eaton e-locks. Posi in the rear and open in the front when they are not locked and loved them so much that I have replaced them in all three of my TJs.
Wish Scott would come to Australia and train one of the private owned franchise owned centres especially the one in Brisbane south east as they really lack the expertise on this topic. My experience was an absolute shocker that took 18 months to resolve due to the assembly of the locker not done correctly by the Melbourne factory. The franchise store refused to open it up and look to see what the issue was instead where happy to blame other factors which did not exist. Vehicle was only a year old. They promised a replacement but that never happened. After 16 months of complaining I eventually got the Corporate owned ARB centre to look at it. The tech at this centre was absolutely brilliant. They simply did what should have been done in the first place and opened the locker up to find that the tension spring had been installed the wrong way around and had jammed the locking cogg, so simple. They fixed it and also had to replace the front axle which had a badly damage spline. Lockers have been running well, no complaints. Just won’t get my new vehicle done at a franchise store. Highly recommend the product just go through the ARB corporate centres.
Oh boy , have I had some heated debates over this one...... The biggest issue with the ARB is that the lockers just like all of the tools you have on board , you come to depend on. You run trails based on capability and the tools you brought to get through. That ARB simply isnt going to be there every time. Everyone go ahead and pile on but its not . Ive been there and had to drag a truck that was perfectly capable on its own before the compressor laid down , or an O ring went out , or a line went . Take your pick I have seen most of them happen. Now I have run some hairy shit , I have gone up Thompson hill dragging another very loaded truck behind me and I can tell you . When this locker fiasco hits you . It then strains everyone elses equipment getting you through. Is anything perfect ? God no.... Does a Detroit solve this ? Yes and no . When you break an axle it takes the locker with it. Its not a nice to drive as an ARB locked truck . I can go down a laundry list of things on the detroit and I have a few hundred thousand miles behind me driving Detroit locked trucks . Now I am not downing the ARB lockers. Shit breaks in this environment period. I am only saying that yes , the ARB does and will fail. Ive not seen one to date that the actual diff failed its always the control system . So prepare for that..... Sorry ARB guy , its just the truth.. Also , this argument about having to stop or whatever ? Yeah that went right by me . So you gotta stop ? I am not sure why that is an issue exactly... So you stop and do what you have to do then go again....A train of trucks off road is one of the hardest things to keep moving on the planet . mouths are running people gotta pee and its a giant social gathering.....
LOVE ARB...My TJ has their products.,..My 4 year old compressor for my lockers failed... Took it apart and found the fail point. I sent ARB a message with a video of my issue to see if they have a rebuild kit for sale and they said I was out of warranty by several years....so they sent me a new motor and it was at my house in 3 days...LOVE ARB..Best costumer service I have experienced in forever and in the USA based in Auburn, WA USA
Don't get wheel speed when the ARB isn't locked. The spiders will weld together because the pin is the weak point in this locker and you'll have to torch it out. Was a 600$ mistake that left my jeep down for 2 weeks due to Australia based ARB parts shipping. Much more if you don't know how to set up lockers/diffs. Keep em locked and they're super strong tho. Only other issue is the seals go bad, commonly around year 3, and you will not have a locker anymore. Other than that if you've got the money they work great. I might be trying eaton elockers next time around though.
Everyone I wheel with that has ARBs has had issues. Typically they leak internally and pressurize the housing. When they fail to make obstacles, first diagnostic is to turn off the engine and listen to see if you can hear the hiss of the leaking ARB. I have a eaton e-locker in the front and on time the wires rubbed and starting blowing fuses. Took some finding. My Detroit in the rear has never let me down.
@@jdsrcs8061 Absolutely. I should have added, some of those people were professionals, not home gamers like myself. Postmortems by those professionals have indicated issues with the internals seals more than the lines run the by the installer. At any rate, having watched it all go down multiple times, I will be avoiding air lockers unless the manufacturers stop blaming the users/installers and fix their design.
I worked for a shop that sold and installed a fair amount of arb lockers, we never had a issue. I have a arb in my rig that I've had forever. It's never had an issue. The owner of the shop also had multiple vehicles with arb lockers and never has had an issue except maybe a bad solenoid once. But we always installed magnet plugs in all our our diffs to reduce floating metal debris which also lengthens the life of the differential over all and is a cheap thing to do.
Yep, installation error is the main reason for failure. I had an ARB front air locker installed in my LX470 in 2003 by an ARB dealer. I reported oil weeping out the air line three times when I had it back for more work. "Normal", they said, even when oil was condensing an running down the inside guard. Lost all the oil on the first part of my trip around Australia. ARB Adelaide fixed for free, but outsourced it. Outsourcer honed the damaged bearing surface where the main diff bearing seal sits. OIl leaked. I had it rebuilt again by a third party one quarter of the way around Australia, with new gears as the originals were damaged. ARB paid again, reluctantly. The air locker has never leaked even the tiniest bit of oil since the second rebuild. I have an empty collection bottle to prove it If the air seals are done correctly, and not nicked, they don't leak. At all. Don't believe anything else.
My '05 LJR had both factory lockers fail and have been replaced. Once you get into larger tire sizes (37+) and traction situations, they will be more likely to fail.
@@shadow9600 Ours have served us well with 37" tires for over a year now, BUT, we do have the ARB compressor kit on the way, so if they do fail we're prepared for the swap.
As soon as you hardwire the e-locker you remove all the nannies. And you never have to worry about your airline failing, which happens to everyone. Half the cost. No secondary system that can fail. All I need is a switch, relay, fuse and 12v.
If you don't know how to do something that doesn't mean you just let someone else do it. That means you learn, educate yourself, take your time, ensure you have the proper tools, and install it properly. Would much rather do it myself than have a local shop hopefully do it right. Might need to have them do a few things like the bearing press and indicator dial for backlash, but the point is, man I just like doing stuff myself.
I had a case spreader for my Dana 70. Its called going from fourth to second on a full throttle downshift. The GM Performance 502 is the most effective diff spreader there is. Spread far enough to loose mesh and bust 3 teeth off the ring gear.
Knowing what you know now, after building the Step Child and the Foster Child, if you were going to buy a Jeep and build it with Dynatrac 80's and 60's and ARB lockers and such, would you just buy a Sport S or a Sahara as the base?
If you're going to change/ build it anyways (voiding warranties) I'd recommend just looking for a non salvage titled fender bender, maintenance screwup, lemon law (of the going to be changed parts/ something you wouldn't mind upgrading,) flooded (if early & willing to put in the work,) etc. Then just build it from there
Lite Brite I know exactly what your talking about. Often my JL takes about a minute to unlock or lock. I wonder if its because the tires are not moving the same speed?
Fit Pro even the arb doesn’t lock up anytime you hit the switch, as u see in the video, your wheels have to move and the spider gear has to line up with the locker engagement ring. The Elockers are same way. If you’re in a stand still usually it’s harder to lock because chances are the gears don’t line up. But if you move your vehicle wheels half a turn, it’ll lock or unlock easy. Arb is basically same way, but it takes less wheel movement to lock up than elockers typically because they’re designed differently on how they lock. Watch how an elocker works, and it takes more movement for elock than the arb.
Two things. #1. The factory JL\JK elockers are awesome. Your complaint with them is the electronics that sit in front of them, not the lockers themselves. The electronics are good and bad. Jeep designed it this way so that a noob would not accidentally engage them and damage a very expensive component or more importantly, hurt themselves in an accident. I wired my factory elockers in my sport using a couple Otrattw switches, and I can engage them whenever I want, but I have to be extra careful to not accidentally flip the switch during regular driving. #2. ARBs are strong, but they have one major flaw. The o-rings in them fail often. Look it up on RUclips or Jeep forums. You will see that they often fail, leaking air and will not engage within a couple years of ownership. In some cases, less then 20k miles! If you pay big bucks to have them installed, you will most likely have to pay it again to have them rebuilt.
In the shop I used to work at whether we were installing a arb or just gears we would install a magnetic plug. It's keeps debris from wear formulating around into the bearings and such. We never had an issue with arb lockers doing this. It only cost a few bucks to do and is better for the bearings too. I've had my arb a long time, it has never malfunctioned.
@@landc8442 Awesome tip! I will keep this in mind. I could definitely see how it is possible that the seals are getting wore from debris. I also know that ARB wants you to use a case spreader and put extra preload on the carrier bearings. I think this can help the seals last longer as well.
Ozzie Ozzie Ozzie Oie Oie Oie. Thanks for a real explain, so much clearer on the benefits now. Air is the future (for my ute any way). Again thank you. Nice to see the instore backdrop at ARB shows pride in its roots, didn't even black out the NSW or SA plates. Respect.
The aftermarket locker market for the JL is still kind of slim right now. I think the best options are arb and ox. To me, installing an ox locker would be AMAZING for a manual control locker. But the issue is that the install is sort of invasive. So it’s got me considering an arb setup, compressor, tank and lockers. I’m told by a shop by me that you can get stainless steel braided air lines for longevity. I also think there’s repair, or line replacement kits.
Question, since the lockers "lock" the differentials does that mean they should only be engage for strait lines, I know most uphill lines are strait but will there be any issues if you have to make turns or swerves? Thnx.
I've never had issues with factory selectable electronic lockers. When my rear lockers don't lock fast enough, they do after I change the oil. But, they never lock as instantaneously as an aftermarket air locker which is not worthy of 'upgrading'. Also, plan ahead and lock'em before needing them, if possible.
if they werent worthy no one would do it on patrols and wranglers/cherokees.... They are alot tougher and the fact they are instant its super useful if you are on a really bad hill and u need on the go lock. happened to me days ago in rwd (i have front and rear lockers but i was just playing around in rwd) the arb saved my ass right away and it acted like it was on 4x4 (mine is manual hub)
@@FOXeye95 I’m speaking for me. Not for the crowd, I don’t know why you’d even think I’m speaking for everyone else but myself. And I always lock mine ahead so doesn’t apply to me. Or even if I hadn’t locked rear and then I did when it was too late, mine locks immediately.
@@twinturboranch454 "When my rear lockers don't lock fast enough, they do after I change the oil. But, they never lock as instantaneously as an aftermarket air locker" your words.
I have a problem with ARB lockers. The twin o rings inside the air line ring (seal housing) mounted onto the axle spline gear (bearing journal) is so low quality. They begin to leak after a year and start to pump your diff oil out to the air pump and now you have an oil leak from your air pump. And when the leak increases with more wear, your lockers stop locking. You have to dismantle the whole diff to change those washers. And guess what, those also wear and here we go again. They are constantly subjected to friction when the axles are moving. This is a big big design weakness. I prefer electrically operated lockers now.
Awesome video....showing the break down of how the locker works....helps alot of people understand....Brittany (orphice/try not laughing....lol)🤣.....Kevin keep it up💪.......Jelly was sooooo tired 🐶...can't wait till your next video....Safe travels
Probably one of your most useful and informative videos. Nice to hear an expert on this product, especially ARB Lockers. Obviously he is well informed....Thank you...
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Yes you can. U can run wires to the lockers in the fuse box to a switch and u don't even need to use the factory switches. I can disengage and engage in 2wd or 4wd easily by a flick of my fingers.
This is one of the many reasons I love your channel. ARB is simple smart, perfect for the rough necks driving these rigs. You guys are helping so many subscribers with basic offroad engineering and tips, add E3 offroad to your setup and your set. Fyi, I saw a sweet rig with a Lite Brite sticker on it yesterday. That is the first thing I look for when I see a sweet crawler. Anyways, love you guys and your family's, be safe. 👍🤙
Ι have twin ARB lockers on my Montero Sport . NOT a single problem with them ...wait a minute ... yes I had a small air loss but it was in the engine bay on one of the compressors ... I run twin comps ... so it was a quick release contector loosing some air on the 6mm pipe going to the locker . Got it replaced for 1.5 dollars and thats it . Guys make sure when you want to both engage and disengage the car needs to be facing dead straight . Otherwise it will not unlock . So if you are going up a touch hill and you need to make a tight turn make sure to disengage the front locker BEFORE the turn . Otherwise you mind end up going straight . On rock you cannot turn with the front locker engaged ... Other than that if its done properly it takes no more than 2-3 feet of distance traveled to lock or unlock an ARB locker . And make sure you install the PROPER ARB recommended dif oil in your axles or IFS . Normally 75w140 or 90/140 . Hope this helps
I’m looking at putting a rear air locker on my 2020 Ford ranger. It’s a open differential 4x4.. should I bother locking in my front axle or just leave it in 2wd
i dunno, ive got mechanical lockers front and rear in a build i made in 2001. it was a 7300lb truck, 480hp 610 lb ft of torque, and those lockers are in dana 60 axles and 35 inch tires. i destroyed the factory friction clutch lockers and went to detroit tru trac and this is a 70's ford f250. i regret selling the truck, but now, its wearing nice paint, and the trucks got 4 wheel disc brakes now. gets wheeled often out in colorado
does your vehicle need to already have lockers before air lockers. I have a willy's JL. So i have a front Dana 30 and a rear dana 45 without lockers. I would like to install lockers and be able to operate them individually like a rubicon electronic would from the cab.
Ok, just changed my mind back to ARB .I was about to go to Eaton electric lockers because John Currie brags on them so much. But the guy on dirt life brought up an interesting point. The electric lockers use magnetic fields to move the lock. That's going to be dumping metal shavings right on the gears. Thank you for the timing of this video.
I have only done my toyota diffs so i never had a use for a case spreader. Thats a dana thing. I wish i could learn to do more variety of diffs out there. I cant wait to get some of these lockers on my axles
That's why I'm ordering a complete diff with the air locker from arb in it from east coast supply. Send them my old simple process instead of me messing the install up
I want to make sure I understand you correctly. I have a 93 Bronco with an ARB air locker in the rear, if I'm driving down the road I can just flip on my compressor and hit the locker switch while in motion?
When talking about off-road modifications, accessories and performance, NO ONE does better than the Aussies: ARB, JMACX, Marks 4WD, Safari, Torqit, TJM...
Well that was cool, didn't tell is what happened to the one that quit in the other video but I will have to go back find that guys RUclips channel and find out what he found.
They are really nice ,but on that note really expensive... I used a aussie lunch box locker for the past 7yrs on a 77 cj7 with d44s front and rear and 38.5 swamper Tsl's.. in the rear I use a $60 spool... I dont jump dunes,, or rock race with it, I craw around for the most part,, that jeep has been all through upper tellico, and windrock.. and it has road manners aswell, def not my everyday driver, but often take it on 2hr road trips to go wheeling, also it has rcv axle shafts up front and Yukons out back,, and now that I just bragged on it,, its gonna explode next weekend when I go wheeling! 😂😂🤫
It's nice to listen to a manufacturers rep that knows exactly what they are talking about. You should do more of those factory visits; winches, recovery gear, tents, axles, lights, etc.
That guy is wrong about the 100psi in a little line makes it 600psi. A 100psi in a 2” line vs a 1/4” is still a 100psi. The velocity (speed) of the air moves faster in a smaller line.
Bernoulli's theorem says that there should be a reduction in pressure when the area is reduced. ... The narrower the pipe, the higher the velocity and the greater the pressure drop.
As you said, the pressure remains the same, it is the force that drops. 100psi across 1 square inch is 100 pounds of force, but that same 100psi across a half square inch is 50 pounds of force, but it will move twice as fast.
JKL is correct, 100PSI inside a dirigible ( if you could ever inflate it that high w/o an explosion ) would be the same as the inside of a portable air carry can in your 4x4. PSI is PSI, its absolute, not a volume relative measurement.
@@frontiergeek4953 Would you mind taking the time to explain what effect this has in relation to what the guy in the video said? Is he just incorrectly describing an actual change in performance or is there no difference?
@@EoWKen As JKL said, its still 100 PSI, but due to the small size line the air velocity is much higher, meaning its got the same push behind it (pressure) but the speed of the air is faster. It locks fast because of the velocity of the air. The ARB guy is trying to explain why its so quick but got the why wrong
For about $1k less then an ARB air locker I had an OX cable activated locker with the electrical solenoid option installed - push button activation convince - immediate action! NO air leeks to chase down - no differential tear down for an air leak.
No problem with oem lockers ( front and back). Unimog 404.
ARB lockers and products, another Quality Australian Owned and Made product. Good to see Americans being able to trust and enjoy our products.
Had the issue he talks about at 13:00 with my "Professionally installed" ARB in the 8.8 in my TJ. Only instead of leaking, the seal housing spun around on the bearing journal and the copper line was chewed up by the ring gear. Twice. Got on the phone with ARB USA and they sent me a new seal housing for free. (~$100 part. Awesome customer service!) Ordered an install kit, and set the differential up myself. Ended up with .060" more shim than the "professional" did when they set it up.
My JK came with ARB air lockers from the former owner and I always wondered how they worked. Thanks for the video!
I’ve had an ARB in my rear D44 for 10 years. Works without fail. Disconnects instantly. Been living in Utah for 6 years and needed a front locker to be able to wheel on the more advanced trails out here. Could not afford another ARB D30. Bought a Yukon Zip locker and never looked back. Operates just as well as ARB and is supposed to be as bulletproof as the ARB for $200 less.
Absolutely hated my ARB lockers. The front was broke all the time with a 44 in a TJ. The rear was ok just had problems with air leaks. I could never count on making it out of a trail so I did Eaton e-locks. Posi in the rear and open in the front when they are not locked and loved them so much that I have replaced them in all three of my TJs.
Wish Scott would come to Australia and train one of the private owned franchise owned centres especially the one in Brisbane south east as they really lack the expertise on this topic.
My experience was an absolute shocker that took 18 months to resolve due to the assembly of the locker not done correctly by the Melbourne factory. The franchise store refused to open it up and look to see what the issue was instead where happy to blame other factors which did not exist. Vehicle was only a year old. They promised a replacement but that never happened. After 16 months of complaining I eventually got the Corporate owned ARB centre to look at it. The tech at this centre was absolutely brilliant.
They simply did what should have been done in the first place and opened the locker up to find that the tension spring had been installed the wrong way around and had jammed the locking cogg, so simple. They fixed it and also had to replace the front axle which had a badly damage spline. Lockers have been running well, no complaints. Just won’t get my new vehicle done at a franchise store.
Highly recommend the product just go through the ARB corporate centres.
How exactly does the posi-trac
rear end on a Plymouth work? It just does...
Life's a garden. Dig it.
lol this might have went over the heads of a few.
@@PNW_Car_Mods Thats a space peanut
@@jeepindave5464 lmao it's a classic for sure
except Plymouths didnt have posi-tracs. Posi is a GM term
Oh boy , have I had some heated debates over this one...... The biggest issue with the ARB is that the lockers just like all of the tools you have on board , you come to depend on. You run trails based on capability and the tools you brought to get through.
That ARB simply isnt going to be there every time. Everyone go ahead and pile on but its not . Ive been there and had to drag a truck that was perfectly capable on its own before the compressor laid down , or an O ring went out , or a line went . Take your pick I have seen most of them happen.
Now I have run some hairy shit , I have gone up Thompson hill dragging another very loaded truck behind me and I can tell you . When this locker fiasco hits you . It then strains everyone elses equipment getting you through.
Is anything perfect ? God no.... Does a Detroit solve this ? Yes and no . When you break an axle it takes the locker with it. Its not a nice to drive as an ARB locked truck . I can go down a laundry list of things on the detroit and I have a few hundred thousand miles behind me driving Detroit locked trucks . Now I am not downing the ARB lockers. Shit breaks in this environment period.
I am only saying that yes , the ARB does and will fail. Ive not seen one to date that the actual diff failed its always the control system . So prepare for that.....
Sorry ARB guy , its just the truth..
Also , this argument about having to stop or whatever ? Yeah that went right by me . So you gotta stop ? I am not sure why that is an issue exactly... So you stop and do what you have to do then go again....A train of trucks off road is one of the hardest things to keep moving on the planet . mouths are running people gotta pee and its a giant social gathering.....
OX Locker FTW!! No stupid "quad seals" to fail or copper lines to break.
LOVE ARB...My TJ has their products.,..My 4 year old compressor for my lockers failed... Took it apart and found the fail point. I sent ARB a message with a video of my issue to see if they have a rebuild kit for sale and they said I was out of warranty by several years....so they sent me a new motor and it was at my house in 3 days...LOVE ARB..Best costumer service I have experienced in forever and in the USA based in Auburn, WA USA
This was actually really helpful cause I never really understood how the air lockers worked
Next stop should be to get a lint roller for Kevin’s T-shirt. #Jellynation 😉
Why are you paying so much attention to people's clothes ffs
ROFL
Don't get wheel speed when the ARB isn't locked. The spiders will weld together because the pin is the weak point in this locker and you'll have to torch it out. Was a 600$ mistake that left my jeep down for 2 weeks due to Australia based ARB parts shipping. Much more if you don't know how to set up lockers/diffs. Keep em locked and they're super strong tho. Only other issue is the seals go bad, commonly around year 3, and you will not have a locker anymore. Other than that if you've got the money they work great. I might be trying eaton elockers next time around though.
Would have been nice to see how the factory locker works with a cut away like they had for theirs
Yeah, I wish we had one. It would have been cool to show them side by side!
I have always liked ARB's and have wanted one, but my Detroit's have never let me down.
Everyone I wheel with that has ARBs has had issues. Typically they leak internally and pressurize the housing. When they fail to make obstacles, first diagnostic is to turn off the engine and listen to see if you can hear the hiss of the leaking ARB. I have a eaton e-locker in the front and on time the wires rubbed and starting blowing fuses. Took some finding. My Detroit in the rear has never let me down.
The installation is so important for them to operate correctly and be issue free.
@@jdsrcs8061 Absolutely. I should have added, some of those people were professionals, not home gamers like myself. Postmortems by those professionals have indicated issues with the internals seals more than the lines run the by the installer. At any rate, having watched it all go down multiple times, I will be avoiding air lockers unless the manufacturers stop blaming the users/installers and fix their design.
I worked for a shop that sold and installed a fair amount of arb lockers, we never had a issue. I have a arb in my rig that I've had forever. It's never had an issue. The owner of the shop also had multiple vehicles with arb lockers and never has had an issue except maybe a bad solenoid once. But we always installed magnet plugs in all our our diffs to reduce floating metal debris which also lengthens the life of the differential over all and is a cheap thing to do.
well done Scott
Great video! Brittany did a great job not interrupting him at the beginning, you can see it was hard for her lol
I’m just one of those people that when a thought comes to mind, it immediately comes out my mouth unless I’m consciously holding myself back. 😅😅
Lite Brite lol it makes for great back and forth with Kevin 🤙🏼😜
You should also look at ox lockers. Made in USA, just as strong.
"We want it to go in fast and hard" - ARB Guy
That's what she said LOL.
Elwyndor that’s hilarious
that was super informative and always great to see shots behind the scenes. Stay safe Kevin, Brittany and Jelly!
Spool in the rear, lunch box Aussie Locker up front. Never looked back.
Definitely putting these on my FJ 40
loved he said Samuria in the very beginning... LOL
Yep, installation error is the main reason for failure.
I had an ARB front air locker installed in my LX470 in 2003 by an ARB dealer. I reported oil weeping out the air line three times when I had it back for more work. "Normal", they said, even when oil was condensing an running down the inside guard.
Lost all the oil on the first part of my trip around Australia. ARB Adelaide fixed for free, but outsourced it. Outsourcer honed the damaged bearing surface where the main diff bearing seal sits. OIl leaked. I had it rebuilt again by a third party one quarter of the way around Australia, with new gears as the originals were damaged. ARB paid again, reluctantly.
The air locker has never leaked even the tiniest bit of oil since the second rebuild. I have an empty collection bottle to prove it If the air seals are done correctly, and not nicked, they don't leak. At all. Don't believe anything else.
ARBs front and rear. 98 TJ on 6",Dana 44s and 35s
Life is good!👍
My factory lockers have worked without fail since I bought my jeep in 06.
My '05 LJR had both factory lockers fail and have been replaced. Once you get into larger tire sizes (37+) and traction situations, they will be more likely to fail.
@@shadow9600 Ours have served us well with 37" tires for over a year now, BUT, we do have the ARB compressor kit on the way, so if they do fail we're prepared for the swap.
@@shadow9600 I do run 37in Pitbull Rockers. The difference is I have a TJ and its not an air locker its electronic.
As soon as you hardwire the e-locker you remove all the nannies. And you never have to worry about your airline failing, which happens to everyone. Half the cost. No secondary system that can fail. All I need is a switch, relay, fuse and 12v.
Detroit Locker or Torsen LSD and don't even need wires
If you don't know how to do something that doesn't mean you just let someone else do it. That means you learn, educate yourself, take your time, ensure you have the proper tools, and install it properly. Would much rather do it myself than have a local shop hopefully do it right. Might need to have them do a few things like the bearing press and indicator dial for backlash, but the point is, man I just like doing stuff myself.
I had a case spreader for my Dana 70. Its called going from fourth to second on a full throttle downshift. The GM Performance 502 is the most effective diff spreader there is. Spread far enough to loose mesh and bust 3 teeth off the ring gear.
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Knowing what you know now, after building the Step Child and the Foster Child, if you were going to buy a Jeep and build it with Dynatrac 80's and 60's and ARB lockers and such, would you just buy a Sport S or a Sahara as the base?
If you're going to change/ build it anyways (voiding warranties) I'd recommend just looking for a non salvage titled fender bender, maintenance screwup, lemon law (of the going to be changed parts/ something you wouldn't mind upgrading,) flooded (if early & willing to put in the work,) etc.
Then just build it from there
Lite Brite I know exactly what your talking about. Often my JL takes about a minute to unlock or lock. I wonder if its because the tires are not moving the same speed?
Fit Pro even the arb doesn’t lock up anytime you hit the switch, as u see in the video, your wheels have to move and the spider gear has to line up with the locker engagement ring. The Elockers are same way. If you’re in a stand still usually it’s harder to lock because chances are the gears don’t line up. But if you move your vehicle wheels half a turn, it’ll lock or unlock easy. Arb is basically same way, but it takes less wheel movement to lock up than elockers typically because they’re designed differently on how they lock. Watch how an elocker works, and it takes more movement for elock than the arb.
Yeah my factory lockers lock and unlock instantly just be sure to be rolling slowly...
@@informalart7035 my JL lock 85% of the time fast at slow movement. But sometimes it will lock very slow.
Very informative vid but i was a bit distracted....*cough *cough
Two things. #1. The factory JL\JK elockers are awesome. Your complaint with them is the electronics that sit in front of them, not the lockers themselves. The electronics are good and bad. Jeep designed it this way so that a noob would not accidentally engage them and damage a very expensive component or more importantly, hurt themselves in an accident. I wired my factory elockers in my sport using a couple Otrattw switches, and I can engage them whenever I want, but I have to be extra careful to not accidentally flip the switch during regular driving. #2. ARBs are strong, but they have one major flaw. The o-rings in them fail often. Look it up on RUclips or Jeep forums. You will see that they often fail, leaking air and will not engage within a couple years of ownership. In some cases, less then 20k miles! If you pay big bucks to have them installed, you will most likely have to pay it again to have them rebuilt.
In the shop I used to work at whether we were installing a arb or just gears we would install a magnetic plug. It's keeps debris from wear formulating around into the bearings and such. We never had an issue with arb lockers doing this. It only cost a few bucks to do and is better for the bearings too. I've had my arb a long time, it has never malfunctioned.
@@landc8442 Awesome tip! I will keep this in mind. I could definitely see how it is possible that the seals are getting wore from debris. I also know that ARB wants you to use a case spreader and put extra preload on the carrier bearings. I think this can help the seals last longer as well.
Ozzie Ozzie Ozzie Oie Oie Oie. Thanks for a real explain, so much clearer on the benefits now. Air is the future (for my ute any way). Again thank you. Nice to see the instore backdrop at ARB shows pride in its roots, didn't even black out the NSW or SA plates.
Respect.
This is very technical, but a very good explanation. Thanks!!!
The aftermarket locker market for the JL is still kind of slim right now. I think the best options are arb and ox. To me, installing an ox locker would be AMAZING for a manual control locker. But the issue is that the install is sort of invasive. So it’s got me considering an arb setup, compressor, tank and lockers. I’m told by a shop by me that you can get stainless steel braided air lines for longevity. I also think there’s repair, or line replacement kits.
It is simply impossible for the psi to climb to 600 from 100psi
As stated by others here... You just have to know your stuff to sell your product.
Question, since the lockers "lock" the differentials does that mean they should only be engage for strait lines, I know most uphill lines are strait but will there be any issues if you have to make turns or swerves? Thnx.
It will generally give u worse turning performance and might increase tyre wear but nothing serious
I've never had issues with factory selectable electronic lockers. When my rear lockers don't lock fast enough, they do after I change the oil. But, they never lock as instantaneously as an aftermarket air locker which is not worthy of 'upgrading'. Also, plan ahead and lock'em before needing them, if possible.
if they werent worthy no one would do it on patrols and wranglers/cherokees....
They are alot tougher and the fact they are instant its super useful if you are on a really bad hill and u need on the go lock. happened to me days ago in rwd (i have front and rear lockers but i was just playing around in rwd)
the arb saved my ass right away and it acted like it was on 4x4 (mine is manual hub)
@@FOXeye95 I’m speaking for me. Not for the crowd, I don’t know why you’d even think I’m speaking for everyone else but myself. And I always lock mine ahead so doesn’t apply to me. Or even if I hadn’t locked rear and then I did when it was too late, mine locks immediately.
@@twinturboranch454 "When my rear lockers don't lock fast enough, they do after I change the oil. But, they never lock as instantaneously as an aftermarket air locker" your words.
@@FOXeye95 that’s what I said. What is it you find hard to understand?
Thanks very much for the video 👍🏾👍🏾. Now I understand not only how it works, but why it's the best & strongest. Thanks Scott 😊
Great video! Super informative
I have a problem with ARB lockers. The twin o rings inside the air line ring (seal housing) mounted onto the axle spline gear (bearing journal) is so low quality. They begin to leak after a year and start to pump your diff oil out to the air pump and now you have an oil leak from your air pump. And when the leak increases with more wear, your lockers stop locking. You have to dismantle the whole diff to change those washers. And guess what, those also wear and here we go again. They are constantly subjected to friction when the axles are moving. This is a big big design weakness. I prefer electrically operated lockers now.
OX Lockers out of Odessa, FL. Heavy Duty and manual cable controlled so they work no matter what! No compressor or electrical gizmos to depend on.
Awesome video....showing the break down of how the locker works....helps alot of people understand....Brittany (orphice/try not laughing....lol)🤣.....Kevin keep it up💪.......Jelly was sooooo tired 🐶...can't wait till your next video....Safe travels
Super cool, I wish they had a 90 degree air fitting option for the dana 44 so I didn't have to modify my truss. Super cool
Probably one of your most useful and informative videos. Nice to hear an expert on this product, especially ARB Lockers. Obviously he is well informed....Thank you...
This thumbnail is spectacular. That is all. 😎
Just so all you with the Wi-Fi & hot spot suggestions know there is a big difference between uploading & downloading, most internet connections are set up as primarily download as that's what most users mostly use.
This! Haha We never have issue finding good download speeds, but good upload speed are a WHOLE other story. 😅🥺
Yes you can. U can run wires to the lockers in the fuse box to a switch and u don't even need to use the factory switches. I can disengage and engage in 2wd or 4wd easily by a flick of my fingers.
This is one of the many reasons I love your channel. ARB is simple smart, perfect for the rough necks driving these rigs. You guys are helping so many subscribers with basic offroad engineering and tips, add E3 offroad to your setup and your set. Fyi, I saw a sweet rig with a Lite Brite sticker on it yesterday. That is the first thing I look for when I see a sweet crawler. Anyways, love you guys and your family's, be safe. 👍🤙
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Great video learned a lot.
Ι have twin ARB lockers on my Montero Sport . NOT a single problem with them ...wait a minute ... yes I had a small air loss but it was in the engine bay on one of the compressors ... I run twin comps ... so it was a quick release contector loosing some air on the 6mm pipe going to the locker . Got it replaced for 1.5 dollars and thats it . Guys make sure when you want to both engage and disengage the car needs to be facing dead straight . Otherwise it will not unlock . So if you are going up a touch hill and you need to make a tight turn make sure to disengage the front locker BEFORE the turn . Otherwise you mind end up going straight . On rock you cannot turn with the front locker engaged ... Other than that if its done properly it takes no more than 2-3 feet of distance traveled to lock or unlock an ARB locker . And make sure you install the PROPER ARB recommended dif oil in your axles or IFS . Normally 75w140 or 90/140 . Hope this helps
Tazer JL allows you to lock and unlock the rear locker in 2 wd, front and rear locker in 4wd high or low.
I want to play with jelly so bad. Such an adorable little thing.
If I could afford it I would have an ARB but until they make their prices reasonable I have my lunchbox locker and a mini spool 🤙
Awesome video! I run ARB lockers on my 2013 JK
Jesus that thumbnail!! 😉
Amazing explanation after years of wheeling its the first time I understood how the lockers exactly working
Got it, front and rear
I’m looking at putting a rear air locker on my 2020 Ford ranger. It’s a open differential 4x4.. should I bother locking in my front axle or just leave it in 2wd
have arb in my 94 yj its been in there for 20+ years have never had a problem with them have broke one air line in all that time
very informative about how the bearing race can shift over and wreck the seal housing orings during install.
Well this video sold me on putting ARB Air Locker's in my JKU Wrangler, when I regear next summer.
I also learned!❤ Now, I have something to tell my father and brother because they like things like that!😊✨ So that I can relate😂
I learned a lot here. I also learned i will leave it to the pros. Hi Jelly!
FWIW, 100 PSI From the pump will not pump up to 600 psi. Orifices control volume and velocity and can reduce flow... not increase pressure.
Nice video. Learned alot, but did notice when the Northridge dude was installing the carrier, he didnt use a case spreader.
i dunno, ive got mechanical lockers front and rear in a build i made in 2001. it was a 7300lb truck, 480hp 610 lb ft of torque, and those lockers are in dana 60 axles and 35 inch tires. i destroyed the factory friction clutch lockers and went to detroit tru trac and this is a 70's ford f250. i regret selling the truck, but now, its wearing nice paint, and the trucks got 4 wheel disc brakes now. gets wheeled often out in colorado
I’m sold! Had ARBs in my peged diff Defender 90.... it was based on simple reviews that I chose them but this!!!! In my gladiator diesel 💪👍👊
does your vehicle need to already have lockers before air lockers. I have a willy's JL. So i have a front Dana 30 and a rear dana 45 without lockers. I would like to install lockers and be able to operate them individually like a rubicon electronic would from the cab.
Ok, just changed my mind back to ARB .I was about to go to Eaton electric lockers because John Currie brags on them so much.
But the guy on dirt life brought up an interesting point.
The electric lockers use magnetic fields to move the lock.
That's going to be dumping metal shavings right on the gears.
Thank you for the timing of this video.
@Bones McGillicuddy how so?
Great Vid. Now I know what setup I’m installing in The Breacher, my H2.
I have only done my toyota diffs so i never had a use for a case spreader. Thats a dana thing. I wish i could learn to do more variety of diffs out there. I cant wait to get some of these lockers on my axles
appricate video, I agree install is key but I love my Eaton Elocker
what particular ARB air locker model that can fit the 2021 Hilux conquest? front and rear. thanks.
That's why I'm ordering a complete diff with the air locker from arb in it from east coast supply. Send them my old simple process instead of me messing the install up
Way kool!!!!!!!! So simple... Great video!
Guys, this is an excellent tutorial. I learned a lot. PLEASE do MORE like this !
I want to make sure I understand you correctly. I have a 93 Bronco with an ARB air locker in the rear, if I'm driving down the road I can just flip on my compressor and hit the locker switch while in motion?
Thanks for the video guys. I always liked ARB.
Good morning guys and gals hope your all doing well , theses ARB lockers seem really cool !!!!
What a GREAT video ... Many Thanks !
well dang didnt' need all the fine deets, an overview of the ARB vs factory locker was what I was expecting and need
Well, you’ve got ‘em, so you’ll be so much better off because of it.
Bad joke time. What do you call a Roman that went down on a blonde? Gladiator. 😁
I like OX lockers for the failsafes I crawl so they won’t ever fail me
When talking about off-road modifications, accessories and performance, NO ONE does better than the Aussies: ARB, JMACX, Marks 4WD, Safari, Torqit, TJM...
Thank you for this video. After the guys quit in the last video maybe we will see or understand why now. Thanks, stay safe!! Love yall!!
Well that was cool, didn't tell is what happened to the one that quit in the other video but I will have to go back find that guys RUclips channel and find out what he found.
I loved these videos , ♥️♥️💯🤙
I went with Ashcroft air lockers for my land rover over ARB. The ARB has a few inherent design flaws. I highly recommend air lockers, just not ARBs..
Great video! Nice to know!
ARB = Perfection
Very cool and educational video. Thank you
Have you guys looked in to getting a Cellular booster for the support child? Or i know its pricey but satellite internet ?
I learned a little more today thanks. The ARBs on my LJ are amazing ~>
They are really nice ,but on that note really expensive... I used a aussie lunch box locker for the past 7yrs on a 77 cj7 with d44s front and rear and 38.5 swamper Tsl's.. in the rear I use a $60 spool... I dont jump dunes,, or rock race with it, I craw around for the most part,, that jeep has been all through upper tellico, and windrock.. and it has road manners aswell, def not my everyday driver, but often take it on 2hr road trips to go wheeling, also it has rcv axle shafts up front and Yukons out back,, and now that I just bragged on it,, its gonna explode next weekend when I go wheeling! 😂😂🤫
Crazy cool lesson today! Thanks LB!