Why paint a jaguar?
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- Sam Reich, Ashley Hamer and Adam Savage face a question about a painted pussycat.
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HOST: Tom Scott.
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I love how comfortable Sam is with the format and even the "MY GOD ASHLEY" was perfect hosting. It felt like he's been here the whole time.
Painting a panther pink? That's on my to-do, to-do, to-doo to-doo to-doo to-doo to-doooo, list.
Take your damned like. 🤣🤣🤣
nice pun 💀
Someone Biscuit this XD
The chap that refuses to sell his pigments to Anish Kapoor is Stuart Semple, of Culture Hustle. He recently had an injunction slapped on him by Tiffanys to stop him selling his lookalike Tiff Blue paint, so instead he (effectively) gave it away with orders for his white paint. Don't mess with that guy!
That's clever. Your honor, i didn't sell the paint, i gave it for free.
And he added Daniel Smith to the no-sell list over the gold pigment.
He is a beast in the art world and I am here for it.
i heard that some of his stories were embellished or something? i can't remember the specifics, but I know not everything about that guy and his relation with Anish Kapoor is as it seems.
I can't wait to see Adam on "umm...actually"
Wouldn't that be a treat??
or Tom Scott on a "Sam Says" episode of Game Changer
@@ico1 The Technical Difficulties all on Game Changer would be pretty dope
I need every one of these crossovers immediately. Can you even _imagine_ Adam on Citation Needed
i don't know, that statue seems pretty re-markable to me
boo. boo i say.
*baddum psh*
The Duke of Wellington ought to have a 1000kg waterproof rubber boot on his head,
It's Wellington's one-ton welly.
MYSTERY BISCUITS!!
This comment reminds me of Vermin Supreme for one reason or another.
@@danieldronzek8616 What's that?
or do I not want to know?
@@Becky_CoolingAn eccentric named Vermin Supreme (yes, really) turns up for American presidential elections and "runs for president" on platforms of, for example, giving everyone in the country a pony.
@@Becky_Cooling Vermin Supreme ran for the Libertarian Party in the US multiple times, he's known for wearing a boot on his head.
The Duke of Wellington with a cone on his head is now on Glasgow and Scottish tourist tat. It's an icon
*Icone
Sometimes the horse gets a cone too
There was actually a repeating gag in the pink panther animation, where the panther would paint the wall pink, and the detective would paint it back to normal (usually they would go in a circle around the building, pillar or whatever they were painting at the time). It's a reference to that gag I believe.
The traffic cone is actually kept on the statue in glasgow now because too many people were getting injured while attempting to replace it while drunk
Even though Tom has hosted far more game shows than Sam, Sam still *sounds* like a pro at this 😅 He's got a talent for sure.
Umm, Actually. Sam hosts two game shows on dropout with multiple seasons. He is in fact a proffesional at this. Neither of the game shows he hosts are "umm actually" though.
@@11macedonianSam's a pro sure, but I wonder who has actually done more episodes all told.
@@DavidChong Though Tom's been doing this far longer, I think that ol' British Brevity thing means Sam might still have him beat on total episodes/running time.
@@Leafsdude_ - Yeah, it's like the BBC.
"Ooh, this show has been going for 27 years!"
"How many episodes?"
"Six, plus a special episode where they all go to Spain, but it was filmed in Wales for some reason."
Allister Beckett-King has a very funny video on this, called "Leaky Pipes" - but the lore that is developed in the comments section regarding the fictional TV show is even better.
@@Leafsdude_ Tom's experience goes back to university radio days. He probably has Sam beat, but I wouldn't bet on it.
Stuart Semple (Culture Hustle) also now doesn't sell to Daniel Smith as well as Anish Kapoor, and this is because the Daniel Smith paint company bought up the world's entire remaining supply of a gold pigment that used to be used in automotive paint, and now you can only get that type of gold from Daniel Smith watercolours. He's also got a beef with Tiffany's over their copyright of their trademark blue shade, and he replicated it and now isn't allowed to sell it. He's giving it away right now if you buy a certain other paint.
In Guildford town centre there's a statue of George Abbot holding an open book in one hand and immediately after it was installed, someone put a copy of the Yellow Pages on top of it
The Duke of Wellington statue is smack dab in the middle of the high street, and the cone is like, a pretty firmly protected thing here. Sometimes for certain world events, the cone will be changed up. Near the start of the Ukraine-Russia war, the cone was repainted yellow and blue, for example!
In the churchyard of Bow Church (the one actually in Bow, not the one with the cockney-defining bells), there's a statue of William Gladstone that has had the hands painted red for pretty much its whole existence. The protest dates back to 1888 when the 'matchstick girls' were striking at the local Bryant and May factory. The statue was commissioned by Bryant himself and its unveiling caused uproar locally. The last attempt to clean it was before the 2012 Olympics, but the red was reinstated within a day apparently.
"Heute ist nicht alle Tage. Ich komm wieder, keine Frage." - Paulchen Panter
Every time it's painted pink, someone else comes along and paints it blue...
@@andrecanis4894In the German versions of the cartoons the guy tried to paint white.
@@MyRegardsToTheDodo I could have sworn that Paulchen was painting pink while the other guy was painting blue...
@@andrecanis4894Either I remember it wrong or the international version is different (probably me remembering it wrong). I could have sworn he's trying to paint white (and plant yellow flowers).
35 years ago my sister's friend stole the sign for the Camel Museum in my town.
The local paper covered this theft and it seemed the city was pissed off enough the police were looking for the perpetrator.
A week later the sign was returned, but now it had been painted and was very colorful. (The sign was rather ratty looking before) the police were still pissed and promised to find and punish the thief. They never did find them though.
I was thinking it was a car until Sam explicitly stated that it was a cat. 🤷♂️
My thoughts exactly
Why are the lawyers in the US military known as JAGs? Officially, it stands for Judge Advocate General corps. But unofficially, it’s what they COULD be driving if they worked for a large private law firm instead of the government.
was it a car or a cat i saw?
@@Cloiss_ Like former Governor Sarah’s private airport, it’s a PALIN-DROME!
I thought it was going to be part of an Adidas/Puma rivalry
surely that would involve the addition of a donkey statue? Wait, that would be "added ass"
I'm sorry, but the people have spoken. It's the Pink Panther now.
There's a sculpture in Valencia, Spain which is also popularly known as the Pink Panther. According to the sculptor it's a praying mantis, but who cares what he thinks?
to be honest, "sports hats" to me just meant a baseball cap with the logo of the sports team (irrespective of whether the sport is baseball). I didn't even realize she was referring to helmets until someone else pointed it out.
Cricket has the best sports hats!
The Chicago sculptures wear a variety of sports apparel. In addition to the basketball jerseys and football and hockey helmets, they have baseball hats/caps.
The Joe Louis monument is a giant fist in Detroit. I will never forget the time some hero put a equally giant Green Lantern ring on it!
After a bit of googling, I found out the following.
1. Scientists don't call any animal a panther. _Panthera_ is the genus that includes the tiger, jaguar, lion, leopard and snow leopard.
2. The American cougar/mountain lion/puma is in the genus _Puma._ In some areas of the southeast USA that animal is colloquially called a "panther" or *"painter".* So in those areas, a sculpture of a cougar painted pink could be called a "painted painter".
This has been one of the few that I got fairly early one. Sam is really good at leading people on the right track without giving too much information.
I wanna give special props to the makers of thumbnails for this channel. You akways do just enough to make it relevant, occasionally hinting at the answer, but never in a way so explicit as to give any true indication of the answer! Well done 😊
Seeing Adam Savage on these is just filling my heart with love. 😊
Sam Reich and Adam Savage?! Incredible! Also, isn't Sam from Cambridge, Massachusetts? Something about a movie theatre? 😂
I've seen too much game changer... the ding now plays subconsciously whenever Sam speaks
Will Seaward (in the distance): “Panthers?!“
Duke of Wellington's cone is now -formally- a permanent addition to the statue.
i'm Berliner, born and raised, and i've never heard of any pink panthers in my city.
Whatdya know about Germany's most beloved Donald?
it is exactly at coordinates 52.5548192, 13.4592058. if you open Google streetview from the nearest road, you can see it.
it is too bad we cant watch full episodes of this anywhere
Is Sam talking about Hollywood, California?
Pretty sure he's been there the whole time.
The place where they make films like The Pink Panther? Yes, he is.
Petition for an Adams episode. Adam Savage, Adam Chase, Adam Neely.
Or the three Adams who have been on the show already: Chase, Savage, Ragusea.
(Not that I have any objection to Neely.)
@@qwertyTRiG I forgot about him. Apologies
The Duke of Wellington statue sits outside the front of the Gallery of Modern Art. Successive curators have taken a range of views of the cone, but I think it very much channels the spirit of Marcel Duchamp.
Yep Tom my first thought was the traffic cone Duke of Wellington statue in Glasgow too, and yes I'm sad enough to remember it (never going to get that pub quiz question wrong again)
Don't know Berlin at all, but apparently it's in Amalienstraße not far from the Weißer See.
to be exact: it is exactly at coordinates 52.5548192, 13.4592058. if you open Google streetview from the nearest road, you can see it.
I mean if it's what the locals want, leave it pink!
it'll save the local authorities money on constant restoration :D
I got this one immediately, but I got the color wrong. It was a 50/50 chance between pink and black.
My first guess was that it had to do with the Dassler brothers feud.
Where the 2 brothers who established the Adidas factory had a fight and one of the brothers started his own factory on the other side of the river calling his company Puma.
Employees of the two firms and their families avoided speaking to each other; they patronized separate bars, bakeries and barber shops. From people's habit of looking at each other's shoes to see whether they were affiliated with Adidas or Puma.
So thought it might be some Puma thing being vandalized.
When I first heard this one, I thought it had to do with a German car company like Mercedes losing a big pro race to the Jaguar car company.
In before someone tries to put a cone on the jaguar. Or tries to paint the Duke of Wellington pink.
Disclaimer: This is not a challenge. Do not do either of these.
@@kg4wwnit wouldn't be a *challenge* otherwise...
As soon as he said Hollywood I thought Pink Panther.
It's so weird listening to these very familiar voices in the same podcast
Great! Now the theme song will be running in my head for the rest of the day. 😂
'Shirley, England deserves a panther statue for Durham . . Durum ('nice one Flour' : )
Ashley just out of nowhere!
lol
As a German I didn't knew that. I was immediately thinking about the sport brands Adidas and Puma which share a long history of rivalry.
With Puma being a version of a panther I was thinking people would colour him in the Adidas stripes
1st thought: they change the “spots” every time it is painted
I thought it was going to be a feud between Berlin and Jaguar, the car company.
So, because there's a non-zero times Sam has host a question in this show, lateral podcast is officially a Game Changer.
The statue of Richard Trevithick outside the library in Camborne in Cornwall is very rarely seen without a traffic cone on his head.
I got it literally exactly as ashley did! such a good round
I made a joke about it being the [SPOILER] but then thought "no its a different species"
A jaguar isn't a type of panther! A panther is specifically a melanistic variant of either a jaguar or leopard. (And in some parts of the US, the word also refers to the animal also known as a cougar, puma or mountain lion.)
If X can be Y or Z, then Y is one type of X, no?
I have to disagree. A panther is not a specific animal, just a description of a group of animals. I could be wrong though. Been known to happen from time to time.
Panthera is the name of the genus that includes big cats so, technically, the jaguar *is* a panther.
@@lateralcast They appear to be arguing that a panther is a type of jaguar (or a type of leopard). Not the other way around.
@@ZipplyZane They're actually making an argument that I have in the past. As far as I understand the history, no animals were ever referred to as panthers EXCEPT black panthers, which were dark variants of essentially any big cat. By this usage, no animals that are not black panthers are panthers at all.
When they said Hollywood, I thought Black Panther, but that wouldn't need painting.
Could have been with a bronze or marmer statue
@@edopronk1303 To begin with, but he later said they return it to black.
My first question was, cat or car?
Then I was thinking tiger stripes. Because a jaguar with tiger stripes is funny to me.
Seeing the title I thought it was about the car.
Can somebody please make an IPA transliteration of the different pronunciations? I can't understand the spelling in the subtitles...
Tom: /ˈʤæɡjuə/ - Sam: /ˈʤæɡwɑr/ - Ashley: /ˈʤæɡwaɪər/
@@alextemplemusic thank you so so much
Edit: /'θæŋk ju 'soʊ ˈsoʊ ˈmʌtʃ/
@@kg4wwn right??? I was tempted to invoke the help of Tom himself, given he's got a degree in linguistics, but it's simply too small of a thing for him and his staff to consider. Thank God for volunteers!
I tried to look it up and found a jaguar statue in Magdeburg, Germany about 150 km outside of Berlin (is that still a suburb?). I also only found one picture online of it painted pink and lots of pictures online of it not pink.
i def wanna visit so i hope someone can say the location
it is exactly at coordinates 52.5548192, 13.4592058. if you open Google streetview from the nearest road, you can see it.
@@valentinaaugustinait is exactly at coordinates 52.5548192, 13.4592058. if you open Google streetview from the nearest road, you can see it.
4:13 ooooh... I just got it. Another name for a jaguar is panther, specifically when they are a solid colour. So, a painted statue would be a solid colour panther. Pink is a colour, so a pink painted jaguar statue would be a PINK PANTHER!
Funny enough one of my first thoughts on hearing the prompt was black panther, but then I dismissed it as 'no it's a jaguar, not a panther'.
i knew this but that's because i was listening to the podcast on monday
Is it possible to WATCH full episodes anywhere? I know it's on Spotify but it's audio only.
First guess, inexplicable local tradition. Someone did it and the general population agreed it's a good gag.
Can anyone find me the 'panthers??" Clip from an earlier episode! I've been searching and can't find it!
Panthers??
5:29: "jaguar is a type of panther" isn't it the other way around, in that panthers are jaguars (panthers can also be also black leopards if i remember correctly)? as far as i know, the genus of both jaguars and leopards is panthera in the subfamily pantherinae. maybe that's what sam meant.
Panthera covers tigers, lions, leopards, snow leopards, and jaguars - colloquially I think you're right, that "panther" generally refers to a jaguar or black leopard. Though I wonder if people would call any menalistic big cat a panther?
@@Inkinhart I don't think tigers or lions get that solid black even when melanistic. And a black male lion would still very much be a lion.
Adam gave me a jump scare. I had not expected him.
Finally I got one
Paanthers?
0:30 is this a pun with something in german, and/or something in the viscinity of the jaguar?
2:25 yup, there's a tomb in Paris's most famous cemetary that has a sculpture of a young man with a visible (and oddly polished) bulge
3:48 hollywood? I ... mickey mouse? no! Felix the cat! or maybe the mgm lion?
4:27 damn it! I didn't think of that one.
I do feel slightly sorry for Anish Kapoor. I don't care for his art, but that's subjective. The lab that makes VantaBlack is not an art studio, they don't make product for artists, they make high tech materials for scientific instruments. They make a tiny bit extra to go to art, enough for maybe one guy. Which guy? The guy known for working with light and odd materials? Seems like a good call, right? Then Kapoor gets treated like he's some jerk big wig who swooped in and bought up every bottle.
I was wondering if it had anything to do with WWII tanks that they were trying to cover up.
The tank that gets painted over every now and then is in London. I think it's getting restored at the moment.
Tom looks better, more refreshed - I don't know if it's an illusion or wishful thinking, but I'd love for him to be!:)
The way he talked about not making a video on the concrete block made me think this was filmed before the finale.
Why is there a statue of a jaguar in Berlin i the first place?
Why not?
My idea was they paint it tiger
Know or isn't this but there are a lot of Tennessee Titan fans in Germany partly due to different forces connected with Ft Campbell . Ft Campbell is just north of Nashville but the 101st has been in and out Germany for decades. Titan fans not exactly fond Jaguars
I hate to be That Guy. especially after my last comment, but I saw a meme (I think it was a Twitter thread but it mighta been Tumblr) claiming the Anish Kapoor story was misinfo. :( I haven't fact checked it, but from what I recall the main takeaway was that the company that originally made the blackest black for him literally only had the manufacturing capacity to make it available to one specific person, and they happened to choose him -- and then a white dude comes along, sees a person of color with access to a pigment that, from the start, the company was only going to be able to supply to one person anyway, and goes, "oh hell no" and does a r cism about it. And, like everyone else here, I fell for it.
Tom's previous video on this, which has an interview with the artist Stuart Semple, is here ruclips.net/video/_NzVmtbPOrM/видео.html. It's been reported that Kapoor was given exclusive rights, but chose not to comment on the issue. news.artnet.com/art-world/anish-kapoor-vantablack-exclusive-rights-436610
It's a binksy?
I looked it up and nothing appears
jaguar statue henry drake painted pink
Glasgow City Council spend at least £100 every time they need to take the cone off of the Duke of Wellington and they do it over 100 times a year. What a complete waste of money. Just leave it there. I am guessing its the same in Berlin just leave it pink and spend the money on more important things
“Reset to black”. Does that mean that it is painted black and not cleaned? So there’s just layers and layers of pink and black paint on the statue?
Depends on the original material.
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Do they spray paint it pink, so it's a pink panther?
The concrete block was used to test how much a future triumph arc would sink into the ground. Answer: Too much, but luckily Germany didn't win the war anyway.
Dang, I wanted to klugscheiß, but was 18 minutes late!
that's it?
Wer hat an der Uhr gedreht?
For what it's worth, the Californian pronunciation of jaguar is the most "accurate" etymologically.
But they painted it pink even better
I'm sorry but why is Tom yassified in the thumbnail?
Sam where are you from?
I thought it had something to do with German WW2 tanks
Dun dun, dun dun...
5:00 Tom is the only reason and know what vantablack is, and why I know that Anish Kapoor sucks.
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Im tryin to figure out WHY Berlin of all places wud be the place a pink panther wud be painted over an existin cat statue...
Bcuz Pink Panther doesntve any particularly notable connections to Berlin or Germany as a whole; in fact, its from a movie about a French person... Which is about as not German as you can get and still be in Europe :p
Id expect this in either USA or France, but then again this isnt the first time ive heard of Germans havin an unusual high regard for a character from our shores. Donald Duck has a rather large cult followin in Germany, emphasis on cult; well or at least looks and feels a lot like such with how much they revere those works
Donald Duck doesn't have a cult following here in Germany, the character is considered a childrens' cartoon figure here.
@@MyRegardsToTheDodo They call themselves Donaldists and the fandom as a whole Donaldism; thats what i mean by cultlike following
Why should a jaguar’s “official” color be black? A black panther is black. A jaguar has spots like a leopard (but not exactly like a leopard).
Please set it straight everyone should have the beef with that one guy as he owns the sole usage rights to one colour, none else in the world can use that one colour that is why there is beef. No one should have rights to one colour
My first thought was 'Maybe there's a group of die-hard Jaguar Formula E fans and they keep painting it the colour of the livery?'
Nothing to do with the question, but based on the thumbnail Tom would make a very pretty woman. Just had to share that thought.
Because it's an English car.
I HATE when people say "jag-wire". Where does the "I" come from?
Tom Scott is pretty??