Keeping Animals Aboard Ship
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- Опубликовано: 13 апр 2024
- We've discussed food preservation at length on this channel. The ability to store food for further down the line is a necessity for human life then and now, it hasn't changed one bit. How do you keep food from spoiling aboard ship? How about feeding yourself on the frontier? Find out right here!
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Captain Cook told his crew the pickled cabbages were just for the officers so they would steal and eat them, thus preventing scurvy or that is the story that was told.
Reminds me of potatoes in France! People wouldn't eat them because they're in the nightshade family, so Antoine-Augustin Parmentier, the scientist growing the potatoes, ordered that his potato fields be constantly "guarded" and instructed his guards to accept bribes and otherwise allow people to "steal" the crop. In no time, potatoes were a staple of French cuisine!
@@PerogiXW you would think it would be simple. "don't eat the green part, that's where the nightshade is."
people weren't dumb, they understood separation of parts.
so, like A-A Parmentier before him, Kapodistrias the first governor after Greek revolution, practiced the same trick at Nafplion quay at 1828 !!!
He didn't. Captain James Cook got his officers to talk about how good the Pickled Cabbage was as they wandered around the crew so as to persuade them that it was a very good food indeed. And it worked! 🙂
And...the stories on the internet abound, and it's likely a significant amount of them aren' completely accurate. From Cook's journals, we know he felt it was the sauerkraut that prevented the disease, and they weren't stealing something they wouldn't eat (theft was punishable, and therefore pretty risky), so Andypandy's comment is far more accurate: "The sour Kraut the men at first would not eat until I put in practice a method I never once knew to fail with seamen, and this was to have some of it dress’d every day for the Cabbin table and permitted all the officers to make use of it. The moment they see their superiors set a value upon it, it becomes the finest stuff in the world and the inventer of an honest fellow"
There's a very brief segment in that superb movie "Master and Commander" where you see the livestock on board HMS Surprise, a great attention to detail!
That goat wasn't for eatin!
That movie is criminally underrated.
@@rthompson7182 You said it! And it's a mystery to me why. It got excellent reviews, it had Russell Crowe's star quality (he was HOT at the time) but it didn't make any money here in the US. In fact, it only turned a slight profit after worldwide distribution, the reason why there was never a sequel.
In my opinion it's one of the best sea stories ever filmed!
@@wayneantoniazzi2706 it came out around the same time as Lord of the Rings Return of the King. I guess it just got lost in the shuffle.
@@rthompson7182 That's as good an explanation as any.
It's always been amazing to me that the Polynesians were able to colonise the Pacific with nothing but giant canoes. It's even more amazing when you realise they brought chickens, pigs, and dogs with them.
The pacific is so insanely friggin large, I have nothing but respect for the polynesian people.
Polynesian catamarans were just as large as the European caravels bound for the colonies. A little more substantial than "giant canoes".
There was also the matter of getting those animals to America. When the Winthrop Expedition of 1630 landed in what would become Boston, several of the ships brought the horses and sheep and so on that they needed to start the settlement. Most of the other landings did as well, because they were so desperately needed.
It's crazy that modern horses evolved in america, died out, and then got reintroduced by Europeans.
I can't have breakfast on a Sunday without your videos.
It IS a great start to the week (following the Gregorian calendar. Never understood why we all think Monday is the start of the week lol)
@@WandererNamedGuy Because Monday is a day that we all work or study. Like people always think that "rest" will always be the last thing we do, like a day, we don't work at "night", most people on the planet will work in the morning and rest at night. the same on weeks, we work first ( so monday is the first day we work in a week ), then we rest ( in saturday and sunday )
Dude it's part of my Sunday ritual as well, gotta watch a Townsend's video with my Sunday morning coffee
I do the same with Sunday lunch.
My Sunday afternoon isn't complete without this, the weekly Explaining Computers video, and a good nap.
Seriously. Nothing beats a cup of coffee in the morning with this in the background
This food preservation information isn't repeated enough. When we hear how "tough it was in the old days" we rarely hear about this. When we hear about "going off-grid" we rarely hear about this. This information is far too often overlooked when talking about the "old days" or "going off-grid" and many other times this was important information for success. It needs repeating more often than it is. Thx for doing this, filming it and sharing it with us.
It doesn't help that if you so much as salt your food, it gets the scarlet letter P for "processed."
When I was young I married a country boy. We raised chickens and rabbits to eat. We also raised pigeons, and we fed them, but not to eat, just for the fun of it. They roosted in an old shed and flew free out the window. We enjoyed watching them circle round the homestead. We had some called White Kings, I think.
A thing most people don't really know about: The (for instance) potatoes you buy and store in a dark place that go bad in a week or two? Those were already stored somewhere for God-only-knows how long. Potatoes last a REALLY long time. I dug some potatoes at the end of last year and they're just starting to sprout now. They weren't even in a particularly dark place since I was planning to plant them this year anyway.
Some foods, like apples, potatoes, sweet potatoes, pumpkins, and others, will last a VERY long time. We had pumpkins that were edible well into spring. (Oh, so-called, "carving," pumpkins are quite edible. Maybe not ideal for a pie, but they're great in a stew. Just don't eat any part that is too, "woody.")
@@MyName-tb9oz I think the proper conditions are difficult to get right, and you got lucky. but you do make a good point about a lot of what we buy, we have no idea how old it is. there's no expiration date printed on a potato.... _yet._
@@KairuHakubi I can assure you that apples, in particular, last for _months_ without going bad. Not every pumpkin lasted for months, but several of them did.
One of the main reasons the Galapagos tortoise nearly went extinct was because of how good they were as ship animals. They were easy to collect, could go weeks without eating, and during storms would retreat into their shells allowing the crew to literally stack them in a cabin for safekeeping.
The biggest value of course was that they were incredibly delicious, and with how quickly "turtle" meat goes bad the large tortoises meant everyone in the crew got to eat at least some fresh meat. And as a final added bonus the tortoises have a special organ that contains up to 4 pints of what is essentially purified water, providing a premium treat for the captain's table or much needed fresh water for the ship's doctor to mix medicines.
I had no idea that ships commonly kept any animals on board until I played a video game called "The Return of the Obra Dinn." I learned a LOT during that game, including getting a much clearer idea of the actual scale of sailing ships. In point of fact the one cow they had on board was kind of a plot point...
Great video!
The fact that Lucas Pope had to scale down the Obra Dinn for gameplay purposes makes it even more impressive. (e.g. the Obra Dinns crew was 50ish men but a real ship of that size would have a crew of 100+)
If you read Patrick O'Brian's incomparable series, you find mention throughout the voyages of beasts & birds kept on board. Might be mentioned in John Henry Dana's "Two Years Before the Mast," but must read it again to be sure.
Never been on a farm before, Charlie? Mind your shoes, now!
*midshipman vomits*
@@matthewwyman1581 YES that scene exactly
Even in town, it was not uncommon for a dog to kill chickens if they are not caged at night. I am 82, and grew up in a small town in Wyoming, and before refrigerator trucks became common, such vegitables as fresh tomatos were not available in winter. We have become very spoiled when it comes to fresh produce in winter.
I imagine that also comes with quicker methods of transportation too.
The clipper ship City Of Adelaide was custom built to bring settlers to the colony of Adelaide. I went on the tour a while back (it's a museum now) and it literally had a barn on the deck.
The ship would set sail with 2 cows (a small breed, Shetland I think), half a dozen sheep and a bunch of chickens.
Apparently first class passengers were guaranteed a cup of milk and an egg daily, while the sheep were slaughtered for meat.
There is an old newspaper clipping on display about an event where some scallywag snuck one of the cows into a first class cabin.
They went back to their cabin after dinner and were greeted with moooo 🐄.
They are rebuilding our local early settlement fort here in KY.
Also my 5th great grandfather was charged with stealing a castrated hog in 1805, since he was a valley forge vet it was taken easy on him 😂
EEEEEHHHHHH WHITE BOY YOU TOOK MY LAND
@@mz4637 thanks fam. fight harder.
Thumbnail pic: “Portrait of a Man and His Chicken”. A classic!
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We often complain how monotonous our life is and want some excitement, risk and chaos while for people of the past, a monotonous life was all they wanted because their life was full of risks of starvation, disease and death.
I'm in Florida near Pana Fello DeNarvez's landing..Many cattle ,pigs,sheep ,small horses.Were left to survive on their own.We still have decendant pigs that are a problem.
Do you know why they were left to fend for themselves?
@cherylT321 They are settling there,or for future ships, They are going exploring and will be back to the area.Gives animals a chance to recover.
I am always surprised how long it took them to figure out that sauerkraut is a good food to have on a ship.
😊 Absolutely 💯 %
I'm surprised that they weren't trying to catch fish on those voyages.
Salt kills fermentation. Everything, EVERYTHING, is salty on-board a ship. So, when vegetables try to ferment on a ship... they just end up brining. Since fermented cabbage was never a particularly popular meal in the UK, cultures derived from British cultures did not automatically assume something like sauerkraut was an option... and it wouldn't happen naturally on a ship either. So there's no reason for them to have considered it an option.
@@johna6850 they did just not very often because you can't just anker the ship for A CHANCE of extra food
@@cahallo5964 Ever hear of trolling for fish?
Life - nature's way of keeping the meat fresh.
I love your channel. I am writing a vampire series that takes place 300 years in the future and Earth is a frozen waste land. In order for humans to survive that have returned to old ways to preserve food and live stock. I have learned so much and it has been an enlightening experience.
Food these days is something that we take for granted. We have canned goods, and other types of preserving methods that didn't exist long ago. Back then, they had to find other ways of keeping food fresh. Cheers!
Reliable and ubiquitous refrigeration is only about a hundred years old. Safely canned food is only about twice that. Everything else was dried, smoked, salted or some combination there of. You could do freezing in the winter and ice harvesting was a thing but expensive and not always reliable. Oh and nearly forgot fermented foods like sauerkraut and kim chi.
@@user-gl5dq2dg1jIt makes you wonder how often people back then ate food that had actually gone off. Even with modern preservation techniques things don’t last forever.
One animal you missed are pigeons! Apparently they were one of the easiest to carry and breed onboard ship and would cook up nicely. People used to eat them all the time.
Pigeons, aka squabs are indeed very tasty. Older cookbooks have lots of recipes.
Mr. Townsends, I always love your videos on food preservation. They help me appreciate that meal I don’t care for, I will always remember ship biscuits full of red worms and spider eggs and bottoms up what I have, how grateful I am.😊
It aint just talking about the history.It's the research you do that brings people here
When Nelson's fleet cleared for battle before The Nile (1799), all the animals were thrown overboard. In another incident I discovered during some of my research on the Age of Sail, hogs broke loose during an engagement and ate the wounded and dead. Commodore John Barry kept a personal cow on the frigate United States in 1798. He had ulcers and could only drink milk. The story in Philly was that Barry had built an extra cabin on the United States, which made it stern heavy compared to the Constitution and the President. Eunor was that it was for his wife, when in harbor, but I couldn't find any evidence that she ever ventured that far south from his estate in Northern Liberties (now northeast Philly). When I was researching Barry's correspondence tabthe New York Historical Society, I came across a bunch of letters in which Barry wrote lovingly of what a thought was a women, that he always mentioned by her first name. I found several months we letters, and began to suspect that he had built then extra cabin for his mistress, and not his sickly wife. I actually drafted an outline for an article. Fortunately, I ran across a letter in someone else's correspondence that mentioned Barry and the name--she wasn't his mistress! She was his cow!
This may be of interest to someone. I'm primarily a hog farmer, but I have a few chickens for eggs. I keep them in the farrowing "birthing" house with the hogs. They get along excellently together, and just recently when I was in there, a chicken became caught in a gate and called out. The sows rushed to the chicken as if it was a baby pig. Whether they thought it was a baby pig, or they wanted to protect the chickens, I don't know, but I thought that was interesting.
Nowhere near this level, but I have several chickens and guinea pigs grazing the garden. Neighbour's cat was interested in the guinea pigs, but gave up, since the chickens always defend them. Seems it is animal instinct to help 'yours' whatever species they are.
@@klakier19901 That's awesome! I used to raise sheep, and had guard llamas for them. I don't think they helped with coyotes, but one of them would be interested in the younger lambs.
@@ShermanT.Potter guard llamas?!
Do llamas guard? Didn't know they are agressive!
@@klakier19901 They were supposed to, but I don't think they did. :D People use donkeys too.
that was an eyeopening video, i am 56 years old and have never thought about it from that perspective.
Learning about sailing shipboard livestock was through the stories of Patrick O’Brian in the Aubrey/Maturin series of the British Naval Napoleonic era. Great reading!
When Jon said there was usually one person assigned to look after the animals I thought, "Jemmy Ducks!" That's what he was called in O'Brian's books.
To the best of my knowledge you have never spoken of Kraut. It was a vital food around most of the planet.
He did a video about it some years ago
Thank you, Jon and crew. An important topic to ponder. As always, the prints and other artwork really help bring the subject to life. And it's fun to see you pop up like a time-traveling Forrest Gump on a sailing ship or in the wilderness. "Townsends is like a box of chocolates; you never know what you're going to get."
Great upload and video again Jon. Thank you so much.
Very enjoyable content, thanks for making time for Townsends!
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It would be interesting to see more videos on sailing and boat life in general. Sailing was crucial during the time period.
Your videos are great, so positive and educational. Made me think about a lot of things thanks.
Found your content a few months ago. Between you and Kingsley my curiosity is well satiated. Off to make some horsebread with a touch of nutmeg. Thank you for all your efforts. 👍
Heyyyy a fellow Kingsley fan! Well met! :D
@@Beryllahawk Hail, traveler!
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What a neat topic. Thank you
Preservation on the hoof is best
Thank You Jon for the Amazing History Lesson and About Feeding the Sailors and Searchers! 2 Thumbs Up! 👍👍
I'm so grateful for the food and technology we have!
I love the footage and the art in this video.
Always answering my questions before I ask. Love this channel!!
Excellent video. I enjoy these so much!!
I watch your show ,in mornings and have breakfast 🥣 your very informative.
I love your channel sir, keep being great!
It would be really hard to drive pigs, but English does have the word "swineherd", similar to shepherd? But my guess would be that pigs with rings in their noses in old pictures had them for the same reason that oxen had them: so that they could be led around by the nose.
Hog rings keep the pigs from rooting, so they can't dig out under fences.
@@Pygar2 Interesting, and yet I've never seen a pet pig with one, nor even any with nose-rings at the county fair. Now I'm off to consult thr reams of knowledge about pigs that I don't have.
@@4362mont "Hog rings were first invented to attach to a hog’s nose cartilage as a way to keep hogs from rooting for food below ground level". Only outdoor pigs, with dirt access, need them.
@4362mont was thinking the same thing! swineherds are a common character in Hungarian folklore, so the concept of driving pigs didn't feel unfamiliar to me, but admittedly I have no idea how it worked, or what the daily life of a swineherd looked like. off to research!
Love your videos. I’ve never seen a bad one yet.
Good topic. Eating fresh for an long trip is something most wouldn't think about..
Incredibly useful tips! Thank you!
YEEEES MORE WILD FORAGING AND FOOD PRESERVATION LETS GOOOO
Just in time for breakfast, good morning everyone
Cheers
I really love this channel so much.
Would love to see some on-ship cooking tutorials.
For part of a sailing season I worked on a schooner where all our meals were prepared on a wood stove. The stove also heated the water in the water tank.
The stove was a circa 1905 Glenwood, so not 18th century, but it was amazing to watch Cook prepare so many yummy things. I was the messmate/deckhand, so I did a little bit of everything.
I LOVED that job.
Pretty interesting topic - thank you very much for this!
Thanks for sharing
I just found your channel. I am awed as well as gobsmacked! As an hypocritical Luddite ( I appreciate technology when it does what I think it should be doing and what I understand it may do...which it never does)... I give...Your take on getting by without technology appeals to me. That drive to figure out how to adapt and carry on, has, must, be essential to carrying on. I'd sign on to your adventure without whining. If I whined, I'd prove lacking and be left. We humans are capable of so much more than giving up. You show this with every episode. Thank you for this reminder...
I wonder if any of the sailors would eat the insects that ate the ship’s biscuits. If you’re hungry, you’re hungry.
Soak them, critters come out.
Yes, if you chose the one with the smaller weevils, you were choosing the lesser of two weevils😂😂😂
I'll show myself out ..
@@meganlalli5450 Please do, the plank is on the port side.
I really enjoyed this video about food
preservation during this time period it
was very interesting thank you.🇺🇲🏘️🇺🇲
For livestock that is really easy to transport in long distance - most succesfull variant that i am aware of is horses. Central asian nomadic nations really mastered way of life that built around them.
Yes, horse milk is actually a lot easier on our digestive system than cow's milk.
I think goats would be able to herd along the wagons or tame them enough to lead and tie to the wagon and they don't need specific feed, they do well on weeds. I'm thinking 3 hens and a rooster would be enough to raise a flock once you got where you're going.
I havent watched the video yet but I have a chicken/red jungle fowl I rescued who lives on my sailboat with me. She gives me only so many eggs a month but I love her and seeing a video about animals aboard a boat today made it complete.
Very nice historian! Every Best Wish.
This was again really informative and interesting. You really don't think about this today.
loved this
i wish i could meet you guys, and spend a good season just learning all this wonderful things you make, i´m working on improving my skills, i´m a pretty good carpenter, still relly on electric stuff, but i´m working on making miself self sufficient, you guys are a fount of inspiration, my best regards from Colombia.
Awesome video!
What a great video
The books Robinson Crusoe and The Swiss Family Robinson showed the importance of having livestock to supplement your food supply. And I learned from Tom Sawyer that domesticated pigs do turn feral once in the wild.
On a different note, imagine how much provisions for the animals Noah stockpiled!
it was a fairy tale so no food was needed
can't believe im early to a townsends video
Same!
1) I think we've finally identified my role in a Colonial-era navy, in the from of that "journey-ducks" position. I'd most likely have hated it, but they'd have given me the job, all the same, because that's what I'm good at.
2) That dangerous practice of letting pigs run wild in the forest is exactly how latter-day texas, where I live, got its problem with feral hogs: there's a small industry in hunting them, because there's so damn many!
People would free range their hogs all the time back then also sheep and goats was the hardest to keep
Sauerkraut or lime juice were used to avoid scurvy, a real threat to sailor's health, especially on long journeys. The better captain's tried to get fresh fruit at every harbour they stopped. Keeping your crew healthy was essential for successful journeys.
It took a while to figure out how to concentrate and preserve citrus fruits. And if you were a British sailor you practiced replenishment at sea even in the nineteenth century and thus were healthier (and better trained) than your French and Spanish counterparts that had been in port for weeks on end.
Transporting the animals is just one part of the process -- unless there was pasture available, you need hay. Pigs will eat slops but are grass eaters, too. Cows and oxen eat A LOT and you would have to store that hay somewhere onboard ship.
Dried pastas must have been a godsend for sailors.
"You mean, this stuff stays good for months? And you cook it in saltwater? Someone contact the navy about these chinese noodles."
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Pastas get infested with pests just like hard breads, if not more so.
Hear me out I'm a traveling carpenter and it's hard to get good food on the road. I am as well diabetic and have dietary limits and bring food with me as I travel. Unrelated to my medical issues if I don't eat enough I tend to pass out at work and meat seems to solve this. Despite my Job being very well paying I can't afford to eat out. For this trip I smoked beef on a standard Webber grill and made it into jerky and then salted it for good measure. I intended to do the same with bacon but ran out of time. When I get home.my garden with be ready and I'll have to learn to pickle and can food
Once discovered, Galapagos Tortoises became a much sought after animal for ships because they can survive for a long time without water. Unfortunately the slow reproduction cycle meant they were almost wiped out in a pretty short amount of time.
They were also described as extremely delicious, easily stored, and their water retentive abilities included an organ filled with pure clean water inside them.
Loved the concept of putting a chicken coop on a cargo Snake and Otacon’s plane in MGS4.
Don’t forget Captain Cook’s famous goat. It sailed with him for two years, giving him fresh milk every day!
Hello from romulus Michigan 12 miles west of dearborn ville thank you for sharing your knowledge and expertise and for taking us on your adventures through time I see you advertise in the pages of the backwoodsman magazine. Do you ever contribute to any of the stories? You are a wealth of knowledge that would be pretty cool if you could do so. Thank you again an God-bless
Very interesting John and I am so glad I don't live back then although the outfits and some of the things sir really cool we are very lucky to live today thank you
Marjorie Kinnan Rawlings' "The Yearling" paints an unforgettable picture of what life was like in the Florida palmetto scrublands. The boy Jody raises an orphaned fawn only to end up having to shoot it because the deer, now grown, will not stay out of the family's crops. Rawlings makes it very clear that this is a life or death situation for the family; without crops they cannot hope to survive the winter. Jody has no choice in the matter--he MUST shoot Flag. It is a heartbreaking ending. The family simply did not have the luxury of letting Flag destroy their food supply; they were already living on the margin as is. People back in pioneer times did not have pets as we know them; if an animal became a liability there was no room for sentimentality. I think we forget that about life back then. I remember seeing a "Little House on the Prairie" episode where Laura adopts a wild raccoon which ends up causing a lot of damage in the Ingalls household. In real life Ma and Pa Ingalls would never have gone along with this. I also doubt that Laura would even be tempted to do such a thing because she would have known that bringing such a destructive animal into their home would put them all in jeopardy. Anyone who's ever dealt with raccoons knows exactly what I am talking about. Wildlife wasn't considered cute and cuddly, wildlife was a threat.
I can well imagine some entrepreneur having an entire business out of bringing livestock to area which were settled 10-20 years prior and are now able to more easily support and handle them.
Eventually Osage Orange was planted into rows and woven into a thorny hedge that pigs could not get through, yet was good for hunting rabbits and such
Never thought live animals were ever kept on board a ship! I thought it was always preserved food in barrels - a real eye opener!
It was common in Appalachia and in the piney woods of Deep South (like southern Georgia and northern Florida) it was common to turn cattle and hogs loose in the woods and round them up to either take them to market or eat them. Oddly enough, modern science is finding out that this is a great way to organically fertilize woodlands and keep the weeds down.
I never thought of "keeping it alive" as "food preservation" but it seems so obvious. I like my fridge better.
❤thank you so much 💓
I'd like to know where they kept the animals on board a ship - were they on deck, or down in the hold of the ship? You can't control the animals urination and defecation, so if on the deck, the urine runs down into the decks below. If they are kept in the hold, in the lowest part of the ship, how do you get them down there and back up to the deck for unloading? Or was it just assumed that they would die during the voyage and be butchered before arriving at destination?
Live animals have other uses on board too. Chickens will eat a lot of food waste and will go after bugs (an onboard scourge). Pigs and goats will eat almost *any* food waste (yes, they eat meat) and turn it into meat and milk. And other things... but you can use those other things as fertilizer for your herb garden or as fuel.
I love this series on food preservation. I would say, you might want to title this video differently, with more emphasis on the keeping animals alive. Right now it looks pretty similar to some of your other videos on the topic.
My man gently preparing us for the apocalypse. ❤
C.S. Lewis wrote that the weevils from the ship's biscuit were used to feed the chickens.
WE GO WHERE THE STORMS MAY TAKE US
OUR WAYS ARE WRITTEN IN STARS
AS WE TRAVEL ALONG TO THE ISLANDS UNKNOWN
TIL WE FIND OUR LUCK AT LAST.
Is it true people would eat in the dark on ships so they didn’t have to see the bugs in their food on long voyages?
Personally if I ever win a "billion" dollar lottery I would try to find a large chunk of land with a small river/large creek going THRU it and I would set up a small farm with a dairy cow and a bull (you know what for) along with a pig one of each set up a small field for wheat along with a very small vegetable garden. FYI I would love to do some of the salt pork/beef but in smaller portions for a family of two/one.
'Keeping animals alive on board is hard' checkmate Noah.
Could the Townsend crew do a video about the swords of early America from cutlass, broadsword to sabre. 😊😊😊😊
How exactly did "Ship's biscuits" spoil? To my understanding, they're hard as a rock and soldiers had to dip them in coffee to soften them up to eat.
Jon... You Rock!! 😊😅
Did they mean literal spider nests in the biscuits or is that parlance white mold?
I heard the chicken is a relative of the red jungle fowl, an ancestor closest to the tyranosaurus rex millions of years ago.