Micro & Encirclements in Hearts of Iron IV | Beginners Guides

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  • Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024

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  • @Ramzinie
    @Ramzinie Год назад +51

    I have about 1000+ hours on Hoi 4 and I’ve learnt more from these videos than all play time😂
    Thank you for all that in depth information, now I really begin to understand the core mechanics of the game

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад +7

      Aw thank you! I'm just happy I've been able to help people 😁

    • @mamshd
      @mamshd Год назад

      😅

  • @CatfoodChronicles6737
    @CatfoodChronicles6737 Год назад +35

    When I first tried the game and I didn’t know about front / offensive lines, I thought that microing was the only way to fight in a war. After that, I discovered them and started to over-use them without thinking about it. Now I realise that if microing is manageable, then I should do it, but if it’s a country like the Soviet Union, then I should stick with offensive lines.

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад +2

      Great insight! I really like to use micro for specific attacks/advances, or if there are gaps on the enemies frontline, send units into it

  • @whaliin
    @whaliin Год назад +12

    The pinning tip completely changed the way I play the game and I actually ended up winning my first campaign without cheats! Thank you so much for the tutorial!

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад +2

      LETS GOOOO I'm so happy I could help!!

  • @potissimus100
    @potissimus100 Год назад +89

    Cannot describe how much this video helped

  • @OfficiallySmoko
    @OfficiallySmoko 11 месяцев назад +5

    So happy to finally find a playlist of guides that teach me how to play the game rather than playing the game for me, appreciate you teaching us the mechanics and not the meta. I've finally managed to win a couple of campaigns without mindlessly following others, thanks!

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  11 месяцев назад

      You're welcome! Glad to be able to help!

  • @Adelheid069
    @Adelheid069 Год назад +10

    Dude, my brain hurts due to the fact that I think that I finally understood the game, everything makes so sense now, thank you very much 🙌

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад +4

      🤯 we've cracked the code 🤯

    • @Adelheid069
      @Adelheid069 Год назад +2

      @@hammotimee it's just supply chain management with politics 😂

  • @danielzamora9491
    @danielzamora9491 Год назад +8

    This works a lot, I want to give some advices to new players.
    All wars can be won if you dominate micro and other knowledge like terrain bonuses. Literally yesterday i was doing Hugeoslavia achievement and at one moment i was at war against German empire, Italy, France, Albania, and Poland, then Turkey join to central powers and opened another front suddenly (cause i already took Greece and Bulgaria), i just entrenched myself behind rivers, on mountains and hills and tried to survive their first attack, you have to micro not just to attack, also to defend moving divisions on your weak spots if they are gonna break your line, once they are with low equipment you can crush them with micro doing pockets of 30 divisions, this even if they have air supremacy.
    Use the supplies to your benefit, if you detect a point where your enemy has no supply but you do just carry them to that position, make a pocket, destroy the divisions and make a retreat order to let them in again on that low supply region, is so much easy break enemy lines if they are low supply and you just disappear lots and lots of divisions with minimum casualties.
    If you have so much coastal provinces to garrison like Greece, Italy, China, South east asia, etc do not use garrison orders, i usually make a retreat order where i have 3 divisions covering the ports and the rest waiting one tile behind the coastal provinces with no ports, so this way they are going to disembark just to be on a pocket instantly losing all their manpower and equipment instead of just being repelled by a garrison order.

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад +1

      That's some damn good advice!

  • @danielverman
    @danielverman Год назад +10

    Poor, poor Poland 😅 almost every tutorial is about capturing it.
    Very useful though, thanks a lot!

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад +6

      😂 no Poles were harmed in the making of this video

  • @SpinoMedia
    @SpinoMedia Год назад +17

    300 hours (and counting) and I just learned that division halt had a key bind

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад +1

      Hhahahhaa yep, one of the most handy ones!

  • @WhiteDevil-hi2nk
    @WhiteDevil-hi2nk Год назад +5

    Thank god I found this video. I'm done conducting massive human wave attacks and losing millions of men now. Thank you very much bro

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад +4

      Human waves can be fun! Not the Hoi4 kind though

  • @christianpaul5674
    @christianpaul5674 5 месяцев назад +1

    All the tutorial videos with way more views and THIS is the video that finally changed my game. Great work.

  • @yac7571
    @yac7571 Год назад +24

    good stuff, liked and subbed. i recommend you teach this with smaller nations because the huge amount of troops makes it chaotic thus hard to see whats happening :)

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад +4

      I'm working on a guide to playing smaller nations!

    • @yac7571
      @yac7571 Год назад

      @@hammotimee looking forward for that, cheers!

  • @86Kba
    @86Kba 6 месяцев назад +1

    I've finally been getting into HoI lately after years of wanting to, but finding it overwhelming to start learning. I just watched this series of vids, and I gotta say I've learned so much! Like so many others in this comments section, I just wanna say I think it's extremely well done and super clear for a game as complex as this. Thanks a lot for this series. I'm gonna have a lot more fun with the game and I think I can actually keep Denmark safe from those germans now! Well.. Maybe. Hopefully.. Haha, anyway, I definitely want to show this to my brother so he can get into the game as well. Thanks a bunch!

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  6 месяцев назад +2

      Thanks heaps! I appreciate that so much!

    • @86Kba
      @86Kba 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@hammotimee You're welcome mate! Wanna add btw, that being able to go back to your timestamps for explanations and division templates and such, is awesome. There's so much stuff to remember in this game, but this makes it a lot easier. Last game I managed to hold off the germans at the danish border all game. Not a single province fell, and the first two years of the war I had only taken 17k casualties and both Sweden and Norway were all german. I think that's is pretty good for a noob, so thanks again! xD

    • @po-cf1ut
      @po-cf1ut 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@86Kba I'm getting into it at the moment - and fully agree!

  • @NoobMaster2754
    @NoobMaster2754 Месяц назад

    Im a new player, (13 hours) and I kept losing to Poland as Germany, because my troops kept getting encircled and I didnt know how to micro, And this video has helped me so much, cant describe it in words

  • @esantocheebi3012
    @esantocheebi3012 Год назад +6

    great vid really helpful for new players but i like to divide my my armor and motorised into even armies of 6 to 10 divisons and create multiple breakthroughs to enact encirclements easier behind the enemy, this also helps with over stacking and supply penalties

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад +1

      Thank you! And I do the same, makes it a lot easier hey?

  • @Word187
    @Word187 Год назад +2

    I have HoI4 since release and I never knew about support attacking! This will change my game so much!

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад +1

      You're welcome! Enjoy haha

  • @yato329
    @yato329 Год назад +3

    Hahaha the bonus tip was the most helpful!!! 800 hours in and I still didn't know that thank you so much still learning.

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад

      Glad you think so! Happy to be able to help!

    • @miguelgameiro8063
      @miguelgameiro8063 Год назад

      It took 16 hours to figure out out launch a battle plan so until then I microed because i dint knew how to attack another way

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад +1

      @@miguelgameiro8063 hahahahaha "you micro because you want to be better, I micro because I missed game mechanics. We are not the same" 😂

    • @miguelgameiro8063
      @miguelgameiro8063 Год назад

      @@hammotimee spitting facts

  • @TheMelnTeam
    @TheMelnTeam Год назад +2

    - Unassigned divs still get planning with the shift-right click field marshal frontline as of this comment.
    - Also, you can "support attack" with unassigned divs using control + alt right click, even if there is no active combat, which means you don't have to wait for reinforcement from support attacks to operate at full width and start doing max damage to defender.
    - Using "b" hotkey for strat redeployment is very helpful. AI is not the best about punishing it, and if you are pinning at line + doing breakthrough, it can't contest strat redeployment before they get some org back anyway. Good to use cheap infantry filler behind offensive divisions. Human players counter-micro much better, but vs AI the difference between infantry multi-province damage to open the line + driving pure mot through that opening vs tanks is small.

  • @davidmullins6859
    @davidmullins6859 Год назад +1

    it's a whole new game for me now b/c of your videos- thank you so much!

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад +2

      Thanks so much! I'm happy to help 😁

  • @MariDuru21
    @MariDuru21 Год назад +3

    just getting into HOI4 and these tutorials are great! Please keep them coming

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад +2

      Thanks so much! There's a whole playlist for beginners, then I've got videos coming out weekly! Check out the shorts too, some stuff is explained in there like the naval battles etc

  • @Torgan454
    @Torgan454 11 месяцев назад +1

    really like the bonus tip gimmick!

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  11 месяцев назад

      Hahha hey! It's not a gimmick, it's a tactic 😋 but thanks!

    • @Torgan454
      @Torgan454 11 месяцев назад

      @@hammotimee I mean as the youtube gimmick to increase watchtime

  • @rabidus
    @rabidus Год назад +7

    I've always wanted to be better at micro, thanks!

  • @PhobosGamerYT
    @PhobosGamerYT Год назад +1

    Wow thanks again I used to just use the ai and hope for the best now I can attack better and encircle more!

  • @nathanh2917
    @nathanh2917 7 месяцев назад +1

    I pause all the time. Most playthoughs are several days for me lol... to be fair I also have real world stuff to care for so I dont feel bad at all. Its videos like these that gave me renewed interest in this game. Watched a different video about something else dont remember what but saw how they would use tanks to push and encircle. Began incorporating that and learned quick pinning is very important.

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  6 месяцев назад

      Same! Especially when I started. Some of my achievement runs go till the 1950s haha

  • @grobbs666
    @grobbs666 3 месяца назад

    Thanks! One thing I'd like to know is how best to handle low supply. When quickly moving to encircle, I always run into supply issues.
    I usually try sticking to railroads and supply depots, but they take 10 days to be active and are often more defended. I'll try using lots of transport planes but still rarely get enough supplies to divisions doing the encircling.
    Part of the problem is I always use tanks for this, which require lots of supply. Maybe I should start experimenting with more motor infantry and armored cars.

  • @UgandanWarriorofHell
    @UgandanWarriorofHell Месяц назад +1

    when i ditched the whole micro thing and started doing massive offensive lines to retake lost land. by the time i reached berlin and won against the germans, UK and the allies declared war on me and i have no manpower left to spare 😂

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Месяц назад

      Hahaha defs gotta find a balance!

  • @Jakes_workshop
    @Jakes_workshop 4 месяца назад

    This is the best tutorial ever man, advertise one thing show five

  • @TopatTom
    @TopatTom Год назад +1

    Thank you for all your hard work just to help new players you helped me a lot

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад

      Thanks so much! Glad to help!

  • @Rimtas1233
    @Rimtas1233 7 месяцев назад

    Thank you for tutorial. You helped me a lot, I allways struggle with invading Belgium as Germany ,but you showed me how to invade, just put 4 armys there😆 I allways putted only 1 army.

    • @Rimtas1233
      @Rimtas1233 7 месяцев назад

      Im new in the game btw. for got to add.

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  7 месяцев назад

      Thanks so much!

  • @larsprophitius2968
    @larsprophitius2968 Год назад +1

    You should make soms guides for major civil wars like the german civil war, russian civil war and the spanish civil war

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад +1

      That's a good idea actually! They'd be pretty straight forward 😁

  • @jimberry7385
    @jimberry7385 Год назад +1

    You are such a stud! And always so helpful.

  • @twiglets2
    @twiglets2 Год назад

    Very useful, thank you!

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад

      Glad to help! Go forth and encircle

  • @daniwood2998
    @daniwood2998 Год назад +1

    Very useful tutorial. Could you maybe do something about the airplane editor next?

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад

      Thank you! I am working on guides for each of the different designers actually!

    • @daniwood2998
      @daniwood2998 Год назад

      @@hammotimee Perfect, I am looking forward to them :)

  • @UCKszbcV
    @UCKszbcV Год назад +4

    Good video! Is there a way to avoid the automatic reshuffle of infantry troops along your field marshall line once that you start to advance?

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад +1

      Thank you!! Not really, it's sadly just part of the advance, especially if you're making large gains. There is a setting now where you can limit how much your units shuffle but I'm going to test exactly how good it is before I make a video on it haha

    • @imbazo8890
      @imbazo8890 Год назад +1

      You can put them on rigid cohesion (next to the naval invasion order), that way they will reshuffle on shorter distances

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад +2

      @@imbazo8890 there is, but when I've used it so far it led to units being left behind. Does that still happen? I've not tested it in a while!

    • @eli-mi3mh
      @eli-mi3mh Год назад +1

      Delete the front line sure its bloody annoying microing 50 individual divisions to the front line but thats the only way with out leaving gaps in the front line

  • @wabbit3439
    @wabbit3439 Год назад

    I needed this thank you kind sir.

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад

      You are so welcome kind frog

  • @Macinatorecazzaro
    @Macinatorecazzaro Год назад +1

    Sorry when attacking who is more important
    Soft attack or breakthrough?

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад +1

      Both are, but soft attack is more important

  • @destroyermaqa36
    @destroyermaqa36 4 месяца назад

    As a HoI1(2002) player, I find HoI4 child's play
    Everything is so simplified and clear. Sigh

  • @AlwafiCharki
    @AlwafiCharki Год назад

    Lmao u made the game now so easy for me and makes sense
    POLAND I AM coming BABY

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад

      Hahahah watch out Wotyek 😂

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад

      Also thank you so much!

    • @AlwafiCharki
      @AlwafiCharki 8 месяцев назад

      ​@@hammotimeeno thank YOU sir , i love how clear you explain the tactics 🙏❤️

  • @Alexanderaigpt
    @Alexanderaigpt Год назад

    Thank you bro keep going

  • @silasking3996
    @silasking3996 Год назад +1

    Did Moses mistake this guys 2 front teeth for the Red Sea?

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад +1

      He did that so your mum had a clear path over here

  • @artmcewen3165
    @artmcewen3165 Год назад

    I need a guide for peace conferences, when to puppet, when to contest a bid etc..

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад +1

      With the new system that's a great point!

  • @GospodarTecnosti
    @GospodarTecnosti 3 месяца назад

    Hello, I am relatively new to the game (about 50 hrs). I have never seen those unit animations where they run and shoot and their idle animations where they do anything else besides standing and looking around. Is this in the base game or is it a mod because I like the animations very much!

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Месяц назад

      I think it's one of the unit packs in the DLC section!

    • @GospodarTecnosti
      @GospodarTecnosti Месяц назад

      @@hammotimee The Allied and Axis Armor you mean?

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Месяц назад

      @@GospodarTecnosti uhhhh possibly? I thought the animations were in the vase game tbh haha

  • @SuperGeomike
    @SuperGeomike 10 месяцев назад

    At 8:48 there’s reference to essop key. What are you talking about? What key?

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  10 месяцев назад

      Sorry I said "S hotkey", that's my accent coming through 😂

  • @JJonez19
    @JJonez19 Год назад

    you are the best!

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад +1

      No walter, you are the best!

  • @dorimeameno5514
    @dorimeameno5514 Год назад

    of course poor poland is the field test for any hoi4 tutorial💀

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад

      Hahhaha those in game cobbas have a rough time of it

  • @bonty2463
    @bonty2463 Год назад +1

    do you host any multiplayer games

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад

      Occasionally! Best place to find out about them is my stream ☺️

  • @rosebeats09
    @rosebeats09 4 месяца назад

    I am going to practice this with germany. but how do you do this lets say with a country like ethiopia? When you are lacking everything, having inferior quality weapon/no artillery/support?

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  4 месяца назад +1

      Focus on less divisions but make them stronger, rather than having more, weaker ones!

    • @rosebeats09
      @rosebeats09 3 месяца назад

      @@hammotimee thanks! i actually just been defending not moving and my troops in ethiopia became super experienced to the point that italians were always losing the battles. but had trouble to push through their tanks!

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  3 месяца назад

      @@rosebeats09 awesome that's great!

  • @biat
    @biat Год назад

    hey bro can yo play Turkey with by blood alone dlc and teach how to get stronger divisions as a minor thank you!

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад +1

      I do have a guide on division design I'll link below, and I do play Turkey 🦃 occasionally, come swing by my twitch channel!
      ruclips.net/video/aizLm3MvrwE/видео.html

  • @MrJeramy6548
    @MrJeramy6548 Год назад

    How many credits are obtained per course session? Also do I get a certificate of completion?

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад +1

      +1 credit per hour played, and 1000 credits are needed to pass the "beginner" level certification

  • @suxix7312
    @suxix7312 Год назад

    Holt...Hold... potatoe potata

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад +1

      Top of the mornin to ya

    • @suxix7312
      @suxix7312 Год назад +1

      @@hammotimee You as well fine Sir. Tip top shape today turned to be!

  • @brad650
    @brad650 Год назад

    i could not understand what he means by splitting selection can anyone explain simply
    im a little dumb

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад

      The amount of units selected, if you want half of them to move to a spot and the other half to keep going, you can right click where you want the first group to go when all units are selected, then press S to deselect half of them, then right click where you want the others to move!

    • @brad650
      @brad650 Год назад

      @@hammotimee oh right, so if i understand it correctly it basically works so that if i go somewhere i leave half the units and go further with the rest and repeat

    • @brad650
      @brad650 Год назад

      @@hammotimee thanks

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад

      @@brad650 exactly!

  • @NaTi0nalst
    @NaTi0nalst Год назад

    What do i do when im encircled?

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад +1

      Alt F4 tbh
      Or try and attack enemy divisions thjat are closest to your lines to break the encirclement

  • @eli-mi3mh
    @eli-mi3mh Год назад

    Jesus Christ i didn't know there was a support attack button lol

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад

      Hey you live and you learn!

    • @steelpanther88
      @steelpanther88 6 месяцев назад

      I knew support attack existed in all hoi games like hoi2, hoi3 etc. But never knew there was shortcut for it in hoi4.

  • @thefirehydrationunit5887
    @thefirehydrationunit5887 9 месяцев назад

    Yo

  • @picturebypicture3598
    @picturebypicture3598 11 месяцев назад

    This game is really starting to piss me off, I really wish it would tell you the thing that you’re doing is wrong so I don’t have to spend hours watching videos and reading reddit posts to find out why my army’s can’t do crap. Thanks for the video anyway, I’ll have to try this out in the morning. Just spend hours trying to take France with me only taking a small amount of land

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  11 месяцев назад

      That's a vibe bro, hopefully this helps!! PS. With France (assuming you're Germany) don't try and push through the level 10 forts on your border, go through Belgium 🙂

    • @picturebypicture3598
      @picturebypicture3598 11 месяцев назад

      @@hammotimee yeah I believe it helped, last night I did pretty well, I took France and did quite well after Italy

  • @eagles5650
    @eagles5650 Год назад

    I don't know how to snake

  • @thatannoyingduck1331
    @thatannoyingduck1331 5 месяцев назад

    I accidently disliked this vid this helped me a lot

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  4 месяца назад

      Algo ruined
      Nah jks hahah thanks glad it helped!

  • @KarmaEpsilon
    @KarmaEpsilon Год назад

    This is one of the many reasons why HOI4 is my worst PDX game

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад

      Why's that? 😅

    • @KarmaEpsilon
      @KarmaEpsilon Год назад

      @@hammotimee the speed 1-2 microing for wars. Also this and Vicky are both very strict diplomatically making it way less fun to play small nations and still succeed.

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад

      @@KarmaEpsilon ahhh that's fair, you'll get faster as you play more!

  • @carlosfelipeninobernal6851
    @carlosfelipeninobernal6851 Год назад

    Can anyone do a tutorial without using a fascist country? Look it's not cool to play as the people who made the Holocaust ;)

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад +5

      Plenty of my guides don't use Germany 😊
      And by the same logic should we not play as the UK due to their colonialism, or as the USA due to their history with slavery? What about Japan and everything they did in China? Or Spain and their colonisation of the Americas?
      Dig back far enough and you'll find terrible things every country has done my friend, there's a difference between acknowledging it and being respectful of it, and glorifying it

    • @carlosfelipeninobernal6851
      @carlosfelipeninobernal6851 Год назад +1

      @@hammotimee I know, you can dig back enough to justify whatever, but that's just being disrespectful. In WWII Nazi Germany had the blame for almost everything and what they did was a crime beyond any at the time, not saying the rest were saints, but to have that clear in our minds is perhaps the most respectful thing we can do about it.
      I noticed most of tutorials are done with Germany, perhaps if there was one or two I would be fine with it, but not 90% of them, that, honestly, scares me. I'm glad you do tutorials with other nations and hope you'll continue to do it, they are very helpful ;)

  • @RifleEyez
    @RifleEyez Год назад

    Whats y'alls biggest encirclement? I just got 127 Soviet divisions encircled (1,500,000-2,000,000 losses for them) with a "smaller" 66 division encirclement just a couple months later.
    i.imgur.com/vXQpIfA.jpg
    I have bigger ones IIRC just can't find the files. Nothing more satisfying than being autistic proper micro managing encirclements with Panzer/Mot armies, and letting the encircled divisions suffer for a few months guarded by some lightly equipped reserve divisions, and them still unable to break out. I almost want to give the Soviets/Allies/Japan x4 their manpower just to keep trying to outmaneuver them in different ways

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад

      Damn that's picy, I don't know for sure but I feel like it would be around 40-50 maybe?

    • @RifleEyez
      @RifleEyez Год назад

      @@hammotimee Just got another "small" 60 div encirclement with the spearheads ready to go East for another big push
      i.imgur.com/LShbchq.jpg
      Honestly I'm almost convinced my sole existence on HOI4 is to get as many encirclement as possible. It's like an addiction. Forget playing Minors or alt. history scenarios hahah

    • @hammotimee
      @hammotimee  Год назад

      @@RifleEyez encirclements are why I wake up in the morning

    • @RifleEyez
      @RifleEyez Год назад

      @@hammotimee I love the smell of a Soviet encirclement in the morning. I almost wish HOI was even more deeper where operations took hours to plan and the map was like x10-x20 times bigger.
      Honestly some games I love massively buffing the USSR with like x10 manpower and equipment just so I have even more of a challenge, but more potential opportunities to encircle them without winning so quickly. On the screenies I showed you sadly I didn't do that so I could just march in with infantry and win.
      There's something so satisfying about being so intricate using the terrain, supply, weaknesses in their lines etc, and microing with Panzer/Mot units to pull off huge encirclements.
      Like using the Plains tiles to make the pushes with my units, while bogging them down in marshes, forests or cities in certain weather (mud, etc) to encircle them, and trapping 100's of divisions. Then leaving them slowly for weeks just to suffer.
      I think we have issues. Even right now I'm autistically doing the same thing trying to lure them into the ideal positions with my Inf units to go for another encirclement. I will post my update when I'm done.