Lecture-08- Ayodhya through the Ages and the Temple Controversy-IIT Kanpur
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2015
- Exploring Indian Civilization by Michel Danino,IIT Kanpur
1. Can one cast a dispassionate look at the evidence from archaeology, literature, epigraphy, travellers’ testimonies and colonial reports?
Watching after Bhumi punjan 😀 I ve visited Ayodhy and read many facts on Ayodhya too but it's way ahead best video and explained too with all evidence
This guy is a gem, and rightfully awarded the Padma Shree!
Many of the Islamic countries lets the india to be Hindu country
@ which history. Show reference. Peddling lies here.
@ Rama Janmabhoomi, Krishna Janmabhoomi, Kashi Vishwanath, Bhadrakali temple....etc are all Religious property dispute. In medieval ages Kings do always fight and there is always blood shed. The problem here is the Muslim invaders from the west went ahead not only pushing their religion on the people but also dismantling the hindu pious sites and use the same remains to build mosques. They did this to demoralize the people saying like this "Hey we destroyed your king and your god and the temple what is the option for you other than converting and accepting me as king". Now kings and kingdoms are gone and we have democracy. There are around 200 very important sites that needs to be addressed (total 20k). Govt. should come up with a Religious property Act and a tribunal. Which should comprise respectable Judges, archeologists, journalists from all religions.
It's simple, If a structure is built demolishing another religious structure, give them back and move your structure to a new place. If some one comes to your home bully you and occupy your house and make you a slave.....would you agree to give your house even after your slavery is gone?
@ Not alleging thats a reality. Whats the situation of Jerusalem, pre islamic Arabia, Pre islamic Iran-Iraq and also Europe. After winning a place, the muslim rulers would erect a Mosque demolishing native temples/prayer halls. Christians started "crusades" to drive out muslim rulers. Spain has demolished every mosque and rebuilt churches. This is history, read it with neutral mind.
And yes hindus destroying the mosque is unlawful that too in the presence of democracy. Soon after independence, had the govt. came up with some kind of "Religious property act", there would have been a tribunal and both the parties can present the evidences and based on that it would have decided. But that never happened. This is religious property issue not a Hindu Muslim tug of war.
Abdul majeed i dont know if you are impartial and want to know your culture just visit the link or search about kk muhhamed has excavation at ayodhya.ruclips.net/video/tJLNOKdQ4FE/видео.html
This is overwhelming evidence. What the hell. I never knew it was this tilted. Build the temple and build it as high and grand
ruclips.net/video/tJLNOKdQ4FE/видео.html
@ - You could have agreed earlier. We could have done this.
@ - I will leave you with this video.
ruclips.net/video/eq0ZUenYSqI/видео.html
@ Ask your fucking Babar ...how he built Mosque where there was temple....now dont ask for evidences....because Illitrate cant get that
@@akashsharmaart737 An abandoned Temple can be used as a place to build a mosque. It is a non-issue as no one owns an abandon temple. Ab empty land is owned by someone and needs to be bought to build a mosque.
I m blessed to be a hindu 🙏, bring back the lost glory of Ayodya
Really an well documented well researched documentary by this learned India lover historian,an eye opener to all of us how foreigners Espacially western people present their case with quite deep research.Thanks for this eye revealing well researched talk.
You must've watched vinay Lal lectures too
It is the most sacred and holiest place in the world and india
Beautiful lecture...
On the word Ayodhya : I also chanced upon a very old tamil poetry - part of the 4000 divyaprabandhas - TiruppaLLiyeLucchu written by Tondaradippodi Alwar. The poet uses the description "ayottiyam arashe(king of Ayodhya)". Perhaps the poet belonged to BCE. At least, these tamil verses were known way before Ramanuja's time.
Absolutely brilliant analysis with a dispassionate look at the controversy. I hope more Indians watch your lectures and get educated and enlightened on their real history and rich civilization. I have become a fan of your work and cannot stop watching the rest of your IIT-K lectures. Thanks to IIT-K for sharing it
Venky N kindly visit Srijan foundation channel they also have good content regarding Indian civilization
Venky N I
CANCER FOR MANKIND ON PLANET EARTH Born Muḥammad ibn ʿAbdullāh
(Arabic: مُحَمَّد بِن عَبد الله)
c. 570
Mecca, Hejaz, Arabia
(present-day Saudi Arabia)
He has done deep reasearch on indian culture that some of our indian experts have not been able to. I have read some of his books and he indeed deserves padma shree...
What is his name??
Who is here after verdict ?
Me
I didn’t see you on TV debate long time, sir
I am an alumni of IIT Kanpur. Today, it feels my heart with joy- I was present in this institute lecture.
I
Who is here after Bhoomi pujan? Life is all about connecting the dots.
this guy done a good job but we as indian people need to do a great job by exploring our own civilization so that our future generation have knowledge about them and have a great base for their future," chalo vaido ki aur"
he is an indian citizen
gautam ji same kind of work are done by many Hindus regarding temple destruction by Islamic invaders. We don't hear about all these because our media, universities, cultural and education ministry are occupied by leftist jihadits.
Now supreme court also hailed it loudly...watching it again...
I was one of blessed who attended it live in class that time...
#AYODHYAVERDICT
# मन्दिरवहीबनेगा
He was my teacher in IIT Gandhinagar!!
You must be very lucky
Finally came to know lots of facts because of these lecturer who awarded Padmashree.
Respected sir, we would like to thank you from bottom of our hearts..really appreciate your work..
The temple must be restored. If BJP doesn't bring a legislation, I will not vote for them
sanch Sanchayan but all other so called sikulars parties are anti hindu and anti Indian civilization.
CANCER FOR MANKIND ON PLANET EARTH Born Muḥammad ibn ʿAbdullāh
(Arabic: مُحَمَّد بِن عَبد الله)
c. 570
Mecca, Hejaz, Arabia
(present-day Saudi Arabia)
@@nayanmdesai Allah was evil
Mosque and Temple should be built.
Fuck terrorists who destroyed the mosque
@@sandalwood5918 converted HINDU whole world know that only one religion bastad that is Islam
Islam Islam people tassel
Islam Christian tassel
Islam hindu tassel
Islam buddha tassel
Only one common Islam
Need to learn secularism and objectivity from the innovators of it, the europeans. A clear separation between religion and state is needed. Current system of India is all about appeasing the more intolerant so that they stay within the fold. THis has failed after 1916 when congress agreed for separate electorates for muslims as acceptable to show unity in front of Britishers, quite an irony that at times of independence, unity had come out to be along lines of religion mainly due to appeasement policy and separate electorates.
If some arrogant muslims can't digest the truth, let them live that way. Why need to let them represent all muslims. There was a temple and mosque doesn't hold important place in Islam as much as temple in Hinduism (something that Quran brags about as pagans are worshippers of physical features but Islam isn't). So, its plainly agreed to let temple be made in peace.
It wouldn't have taken communalist turn had the agents of secularism been actually secular and focussed on facts and not religion based appeasement.
Finally justice for India. Ram will be re-established. This looks like civilizational war in this grand scheme of things.
"if there has been objective discussion this issue must never arise that temple existed there! very right you can't have objective discussion with left and Islamist. They just don't believe in this.
Meena Mink you know there is masjid in Kashi which was built after destroying Viswanath temple but back side of so called masjid is actually a temple even a blind man can see it but Leftists and Muslims still in denial.
CANCER FOR MANKIND ON PLANET EARTH Born Muḥammad ibn ʿAbdullāh
(Arabic: مُحَمَّد بِن عَبد الله)
c. 570
Mecca, Hejaz, Arabia
(present-day Saudi Arabia)
@@nayanmdesai Allah was evil
Excellent talk .So illuminating. So unbiased and evidence-based. My regards to the speaker, the organisers and uploaders.
Superb, Hats Off for the Clarity of our Beliefs
thank god a temple is going to build there..
great... well done..
excellent research ,this is what history is not what we are taught in syllabus manipulated by govts
saugandh Ram ki khate hain...Mandir wahin banayenge
CANCER FOR MANKIND ON PLANET EARTH Born Muḥammad ibn ʿAbdullāh
(Arabic: مُحَمَّد بِن عَبد الله)
c. 570
Mecca, Hejaz, Arabia
(present-day Saudi Arabia)
ruclips.net/video/tJLNOKdQ4FE/видео.html
Badhai ho bhaiya 🚩🚩
Rakesh Chaubey congress is trying to divide n rule through this b careful...lot of people on RUclips r coming with videos abt Mughals ..even a lawyer ..
Faizan Mustafa lawyer channel is there..look at his videos full of concocted lies
Brilliant...
We Indians so easily fall in mandir/masjid debate and forget our ancient grandeur. Indian GDP was 20% of the world GDP during the Mughal era (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mughal_Empire#Economy). Compare that to the USA today at 15% of the world GDP. So the people were rich and prosperous then. Excellent video BTW.
Well said.
India Share of World GDP was of 32% before the start of Islamic invasion in India.
Lmao
Befor our gdp was much more
Very informative !
This guy is a gem
I applaud the research. Bravo.
Finally ..I would like all Muslims to watch this
CANCER FOR MANKIND ON PLANET EARTH Born Muḥammad ibn ʿAbdullāh
(Arabic: مُحَمَّد بِن عَبد الله)
c. 570
Mecca, Hejaz, Arabia
(present-day Saudi Arabia)
Really informative....thank you
Interesting !!
Michel danino...👌👌👌
It starts at 13th century BCE ....aren't we missing a few milennia?
Below that layer it's very difficult to find any proper remains. It was mostly farming & small villages with very little urban settlement. Rural lifestyle doesn't leave much archeological remains other than clay pot pieces & some bones here & there.
What I wanted to know with an archaeological perspective, this gentleman has offered in an hour.
I want a statue of Śrī Rāma so tall that I can see it from Lucknow. Seeing 🙏🏽 Him every morning would remind me become, a more responsible and compassionate human being.
After inaugration of Ram Temple@ayodhya
along with konrad elst francios Gautier amongst other some of the best non India Hindus
Robert Mitchell are you also non Indian Hindu!
This guy himself is fake
Very informative video
I am watching this as by now the justice has delivered on shree RAM mandir on 9th of Nov 2019 kartik dvadashi .As supreme court of India accept that the mosque was build on the temple foundation and the Sanatan dharm followers are the original owner of the janmabhoomi in Ayodhya ji.
Ram lalla avtarit ho rhe h .
Such a knowledgeable channel but few views...
Very sad ...
JAI JAI SHRI SITA RAM 🌷🌼🌻🙏🏻🙏🏻
JAI JAI SHRI BAJRANGBALI 🌻🌼🌷🙏🏻
Doha Shatak mentioned as written by Tulsidas is not included in complete works of Tulsidas . His writing is called as Dohavli and is to be seen that the said Doha exists there.
Ban babar masjid action commitee
Hindi translation milsakta hai
What is the professor's name ?
Michel Danino :)
Why SC is waiting for.......?????
CANCER FOR MANKIND ON PLANET EARTH Born Muḥammad ibn ʿAbdullāh
(Arabic: مُحَمَّد بِن عَبد الله)
c. 570
Mecca, Hejaz, Arabia
(present-day Saudi Arabia)
सत्यमेवजयते...
like karo jo bhi 2019 me dekh raha he ??
AFTER LAND WORSHIP VUMI PUJA DONE BY SHRI NARENDRA MODI. JOY SHRI RAMCHANDRA JI KI JAI.
CANCER FOR MANKIND ON PLANET EARTH Born Muḥammad ibn ʿAbdullāh
(Arabic: مُحَمَّد بِن عَبد الله)
c. 570
Mecca, Hejaz, Arabia
(present-day Saudi Arabia)
108!! :))
Proud to be Hindu
Joy Shree Ram
40.13
Why some evidences say Aurangzeb destroyed the Ram temple?
20/8/21
14:23 - 14:45 Camera Person was the lowest form of life for me in the world
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There is no evidence of a temple under Babri Masjid. It was a Buddhist site between 4th to 9th century which was later abandoned. A Muslim settlement came up in around 11th-12th century and built a small mosque on that abandoned site, and a bigger mosque was built by Babur in 1528. Talking about evidence, no Sanskrit text composed before the 16th century “lauded Ayodhya explicitly as the birthplace of Lord Rama, not even Valmiki’s Ramayana attributed its sanctity as a pilgrimage centre”. Even Tulsidas' Ramcharitmanas, completed during Akbar’s reign in 1570, does not mention anything about a “Ram Janmasthan”. Tulsidas also never wrote about any desecration of a temple at Ayodhya. Neither Hiuen Tsang, the Chinese traveller who visited Ayodhya in the earlier half of the 7th century, nor Alberuni’s Kitab-e-Hind, compiled in the 11th century, make any reference to the town being celebrated as the birthplace of Lord Ram. Mir Baqi also didn't write anything about destroying a temple before building the mosque. Historians independently reported to the govt in 1991 that their study showed neither the existence of a temple on the site of the Babri Masjid nor of the destruction of any other structure there prior to the construction of the mosque. In 1993, archaeologist D. Mandal rubbished the claims of a section of archaeologists of the discovery of pillar bases which they said were the support of the stone pillars of a temple destroyed earlier. The ASI in 2003 report suppressed the findings of animal bones, glazed ware and glazed tiles, which were associated with Muslim settlement.
Sources:
1. ASI's archaeological findings in Ayodhya: Short shrift to facts. Why historical and archaeological findings negate the presence of a temple.
frontline.thehindu.com/cover-story/article30024814.ece
2. Understanding the archaeological aspects of the temple, mosque conundrum.
www.theweek.in/news/india/2019/11/06/understanding-the-archaeological-aspects-of-the-temple-mosque-conundrum.html
3. There Is No Evidence Of A Temple Under The Babri Masjid, Just Older Mosques, Says Archeologist. Supriya Varma, one of the archaeologists who has challenged the ASI's 2003 findings, explains why the ASI is wrong.
www.huffingtonpost.in/2018/12/04/there-is-no-evidence-of-a-temple-under-the-babri-masjid-asi-lied-to-the-country-say-archeologists_a_23604990/
4. KK Muhammad was a student when he participated in the 1976-77 excavation. Here's why he might be wrong.
timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/kk-muhammad-was-never-part-of-bb-lals-ayodhya-excavation-team-amu-prof/articleshow/71548782.cms
5. ASI Suppressed Animal Bone Findings At Mosque Site. Some experts say the cooked bone fragments prove a temple never existed at the site.
www.huffingtonpost.in/entry/babri-asi-suppressed-animal-bone-findings-at-mosque-site_in_5c42c412e4b0a8dbe1718924
6. The Allahabad High Court had asked the ASI to report whether there had been a temple below the Babri Masjid. B R Mani was replaced as a team leader in two months. He was accused of compromising the procedures of the excavation.
scroll.in/article/812543/why-a-court-ordered-the-new-national-museum-head-to-be-replaced-on-a-2003-ayodhya-excavation
7. Independent archaeologists dispute the ASI's report.
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/ayodhya-india-babri-masjid-ram-temple-supreme-court-hearing-archaeology-a9153771.html
8. 103 independent experts say no evidence of a temple.
www.telegraphindia.com/india/academics-call-for-ayodhya-verdict-review/cid/1719792
9. Evidence From Excavation Does Not Support ASI’s Conclusion About Temple.
science.thewire.in/politics/ayodhya-dispute-excavation-evidence-temple-asi/
10. Ayodhya Dispute Is a Battle Between Faith and Rationality, Says Historian D.N. Jha. In conversation with the noted historian on the history of the land dispute, how the issue was communalised, why he thinks it cannot be said that there was a temple under the Babri Masjid, and more.
thewire.in/communalism/ayodhya-verdict-babri-masjid-ram-temple-dn-jha
11. Secret, Hurried and Anonymous When Convenient: Revisiting ASI’s Ayodhya Dig Report.
science.thewire.in/the-sciences/secret-hurried-and-anonymous-when-convenient-revisiting-asis-ayodhya-dig-report/
12. Ram is not a historical figure -
www.timesofindia.com/india/For-historians-Ram-remains-a-myth/articleshow/2367074.cms
13. Ram is not a historical figure -
www.ancient-origins.net/myths-legends/was-rama-based-real-historical-figure-007456
Firstly, stop pretending you are a Hindu. Why don't you show your real Muslim name. Second, watch this video. Most of your points are already answered. Third, recent archaelogical excavations have discovered Shivlings at that site. Fourth, Allah is not a historical figure so not sure what your point is.
@@truetool I'm a Hindu. I'm just not a sheep like you. All the evidence posted above is written by Hindu experts. I don't care about Allah, obviously it's a mythical figure like Bhagwan. Bhagwan is just translated to Allah in Arabic. And whatever shivling was found has to be independently examined. Anybody can plant anything can claim anything, especially in a politically sensitive case like this. Just like how archeologists say pillar bases could've come from anywhere (Source: 3rd article). And how in 1949 idols were clandestinely planted. Another example is when few residents were caught attempting to plant a statue of Nandi near Gyanvapi mosque. caravanmagazine.in/religion/how-modi-kashi-vishwanath-corridor-is-laying-the-ground-for-another-babri-incident
@@rohanshinde4327 I'm not sure what's 'independent examination' for you considering that the Shivling was excavated by the ASI and the site is in media glare 24/7 with security cameras and any attempt to smuggle such a massive object would easily have been detected. Unless you have proof to the contrary you should shut up.
Your hypocrisy is further exposed when you are willing to believe 'historians' with dubious antecedents, many of whom like Irfan Habib have deposed before the court saying that they neither have any expertise in Sanskrit or Arabic or about medieval and ancient India but you are willing to question the findings of KK Muhammad who actually carried out excavations at the site.
You also couldn't have come up with a worse example than the Gyanwapi mosque, one look at which tells you that the entire base is that of the Hindu temple (see the actual photos).
Finally, the fact that you equate Bhagwan with Allah indicates that you neither have any understanding of your own religion (going by your claim that you are a Hindu) nor that of Islam. So much for not being a sheep.
Failed fact check. They weren't found by the ASI. They were found during the levelling of a site.
www.theweek.in/news/india/2020/05/22/ayodhya-archaeologists-yet-to-examine-artefacts-found-at-mandir-site.html
Whatever you want bhagavan to be, it's a mythical as Allah, or any other religion.
Yeah, it's not disputed that Gyanvapi was built on a temple, but the people were attempting another 1949. This is not new, the Sangh has a history of doing that. According to the current evidence there, as written above, the site has been a mosque since around 11th century, before which it was an abandoned Buddhist site.
And whatever KK Muhammed said is dubious (Read 4th link above) because he was a student then, and BB Lal, the person who headed the excavation lied about it. He excavated the site with Muhammad as a student between 1975-78, and never said anything about a temple until 1990 when he published about the temple in an RSS journal.
@UC-DkZAkvKJwLubRIdXvOgCw From your own article: 'These findings were referred to in the Supreme Court verdict to say that the Babri Masjid was not built on vacant land but over a structure that was 'not Islamic'.
only true way of life = sanaatan dharm, rest are all cults.
Guru Nanak believed in monotheism rather than polytheism thus eliminating the possibility of him worshipping the Rama.
Actually he believed in Pantheism, not monotheism. He said Ikk Ram jo kan kan vaseya. The very meaning of pantheism is this only.
He saw Rama, not as 'A' God, but very form of 'The' God. Same way he treated Allah and God of Bible and Yahweh.
Cult of rama.. Started way before babri masjid..
Wrong opinions from pseudo historians delayed the process.
Injustice to buddhist #ayodhyacase
@Aarjun Adhikari is this injustice joke to u ?
@Aarjun Adhikari didn't you seen the lecture or commenting blindly ?
@Aarjun Adhikari yes i had . Thats why i am commenting.
@Aarjun Adhikari everyone knows on what basis your party demanded votes. Stop fooling peoples they know everything. This is all dirty religious politics .
@@ajaylokare5384 lol convert pig fuckk off
you choose unhealthy or uncomfortable words like whatever, stubborn... by the way... you or other researchers just take few lines from different records and expect us to agree to opinion... but you don't want to accept rama was historical person. by the way bridge from India to srilanka is a real man made bridge. in actuality we don't care others opinion on this...! start building historical studies on your country... leave us alone! don't interfere!
Do not believe him if you do not want to. But you have no right to insult him. If Babar and his generals were Indians he is more so. They came to loot and this guy had come out of love and conviction.
@@fullaranag agreed
Your spich is very important and truth reed to supreme Court jiy bim
Buddha vihar