AAC, Why You Do This To .40?....AAC .40 S&W Self-Defense AMMO Ballistic Gel Test!
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- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2024
- Checking out some .40 S&W AAC brand ammo from Palmetto State Armory. It's pretty hard to get this cartridge wrong, or is it? Heavy clothing ballistic gel test using a Glock 22 and 27!
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With the prices they charge for defense ammo, there is no damn reason they aren't performing the way the should. Keep the great videos coming
This goes to show the relationship with bullet design, velocity and the materials used to construct it. Im not sure why manufacturers put a 10mm bullet in a cartridge that can't achieve the velocities required to perform but apparently people are looking for it. This is why channels like this are so important to people that rely on this information with their lives.
The 40 s&w was made for pussues & women who could not take the recoil if the 10mm. I run 165 in my 40s&w
Only channel that reliably tests ammo! I always look up your videos before buying any new ammo.
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Same here, he's the defensive projectile jelly test encyclopedia 😂
Faaaacts! The consistency is unmatched
@@ToolsandTargets I think your Chanel is getting hacked. You can see my comments but I know the one replying me is not you
Always check out your videos as they come out but especially when researching a particular caliber.
Best ammo tester on RUclips
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The 180 grain XTP is suboptimal in the 40. The XTP’s really thrive on speed. The 155 option at 1200 is a much better choice. Reliable expansion and 15”-17” of penetration. For a conventionally designed bullet, it doesn’t get much better.
I carry .40 most of the time. I like Underwood 180 gr JHP (rated at 1100 fps) for my G22, G23 or G27. I tried the 135 gr JHP (rated at 1400 fps) and they were showing signs of over pressure, so I stick to their 180 gr.
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@@ToolsandTargetshey brother I upgraded to garmin chrono. Just letting you know there legit
@@derekyates43 I got Garmin a month ago and it is an absolute game-changer. It's so freaking easy to use it makes me feel lazy.
The 357 Sig 147gr round has the same sectional density as the 180gr .40 and 230gr .45. No need to fret over slow 180gr .40 performance when a heavy 147gr 357 Sig has velocities between 1250 and 1300 fps. With this velocity there is never the question of will the heavy 357 Sig round perform properly, it performs very well and very reliably.
@@SuperD00D Primers bulging. All my .40 Glocks are gen 4.
That's as close as you can get to THE expansion threshold! Just goes to show that short barrels really do need light-for-caliber bullet weight to get expansion. Without this good testing, you just don't know. You are doin' the Lord's work, Tools! Saving us all some money on ammo, for sure!
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Tests like these always make me feel really good about the federal HST that I chose.
Yeah I usually buy HSTs and if they aren’t in stock then I’ll get federal punch.
@@Samyouell11510 same. I bought a brand new 45 Shield not too long ago but because the local shop I got it from didn't carry hst, I went with the punch instead of all the other higher-end defensive ammo they had. Just seems like punch has an easier time performing out of short-barreled handguns at lower velocities then the other higher-end ammunitions.
Again reinforcing my choice of the Fed HST 180 for my G22.
Look at you with clean gel! Thanks for the work you do.
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Another quality test from the toolman!! Thanks!! I'm a .40 guy and usually carry FMJ for the big 4 legged grizzled things that are running all over Montana these days.
You should probably get some hard case or solid copper bullets for those things.
@hartsickdisciple I've got hard cast, FMJ and Lehigh penetrators, also in 357.
By the numbers, this stuff performed pretty well.
Out of the G22, it averaged 941 feet per second, producing 353 energy foot pounds at 50 yards. Out of the G27, it averaged 910 feet per second, producing 330 energy foot pounds at 50 yards.
Decent numbers.
Unfortunately, they're not decent enough numbers. The Hornady XTP absolutely needs high velocity to work well. Push them good and hard and they expand fantastically and do nasty damage. Don't push them hard enough, and you might as well be slinging FMJs.
Love your channel! The way you talk reminds me of a drill sergeant I had once 😂
Don’t worry he was a good guy…keep up the great work sir!
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The heavy for caliber 147gr 357 Sig with a velocity of 1250+ fps performs reliability and with the power to get good penetration.
180gr is a carryover from 10mm. 135-165gr is the sweet spot for .40cal.
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The 180 grain will work if you hit the target enough times.
The 180 is perfect for suppressed because it is subsonic but for defense the 165 is great .
Glad someone beat me to it. +1🇺🇸👍🇺🇸
@russellweber3466 or if ya just get ya some HSTs. Theyll open up if ya throw them at someone lol.
I appreciate your testing. I have never been impressed with anything hornady produces . But with that said i do have good luck with xtp's as long as it is loaded by someone else.
Another Great Job,, I am looking at AAC for my hollow points for my G-23, and G-19,, your videos did a great job answering my questions.... Thanks,,,,
I really think the best bullet weights for the 40 S&W are 150 to 165gr. 180gr just doesn't get going fastest enough. 180gr is best loaded in the 10mm.
. 40 was designed for 180
You are my source for ballistic data. Great channel! Thank you 🙏🏿🇺🇸
GREAT VIDEO TOOL ... !!!!!! I HAVE 3 10MM'S ... !!!!! I TOLD MY WIFE IT'S YOUR FAULT ... !!!!!!! I WAS A 40 NUT TILL I GOT MT 10'S .... !!!!!!! KINDA LIKE GOING FROM 22LR TO 22 MAG .... !!!!!!! THANK YOU ... !!!!!! LIKE ALWAYS ... SAVING ME MONEY ON WHAT NOT TO BUY ...!!!!!! DOUBLE G.
Great testing as always tools! We really appreciate all of your hard work and time you put in the testing. For the 40 my go to is the 165 gr ranger t that stuff is nasty!!!!!
Another good one Tools ! No one can argue the results you get , you put ammo through the best real world tests . before I buy a diff caliber tool I always check out your channel to see what ammo performs best !
In my opinion, AAC is one of my go to range ammo's, but I will stick to HST,s in my handguns and I like the AMMO INC 64gr .223 bonded soft points In my 11.5" and federal fusion 150gr 300aac in my 7.5" for defense ammo.
Would be a great choice for a PCC
I am inclined to agree with you, not ideal for a 40 S&W, thanks for the testing as always.👍
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Best ammo tester around!! Thanks Toolman!!!
Biggest problem is that Hornady XTP 180 grainers are for a 10mm. Says it on the box from the Hornady factory.
Mhmm
I carry 9mms with Seismic 185gr and buffalo bore 147gr +P hardcast Rounds 12 and 15 round magazines
That G27 went full FMJ. Lol
Yeah it did.😆
That's why I don't subcompact pistols HP loads never expand in those.
I always preferred about 155 grain in 40
And I tend to shy away from most things loaded with xtps
Might be a good load for a PCC
Thank you Mr. T, your tests are the ones I really rely on. I carry the G3 G22.
Great test as usual. To echo some of the others, your tests are the BEST on the tube. You have, in my opinion, completely narrowed down the expansion threshold of xtp bullets, and that is mighty appreciated. AAC 10mm, yup, .40....nope. I am not sure if you have tested, i gotta go back and look, the Hornady 124 gr 9mm +p loaded with the xtp. I am curious as to how that expands. I would be really interested in seeing that particular ammo in a car ine test. My shop has that on sale all the time dirt cheap and I am not sure if it is because it is junk or just reasonable for them to get. Thanks, Brian! Appreciate you!
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This ammo to work well need to be used in a carbine. The long barrel will give the velocity the ammo needs.
I have undeewood 155 xtp that i have for the glock 23 and they perform great
The .40 has a better than great threat stoppage history. …but you do have great videos.
Good ol 40. My nightstand caliber. Thanks for the test as always.
@-ToolsandTargets Have you tested any Speer Gold Dot 155s? Used to be hard to find but idk now. 1200fps advertised, feel like it too. Hmu if you want to test, I got a few.
Wow, what a shame! I'll stick with the Winchester Ranger LE for my carry. Good stuff as always Tools, stay safe God Bless ✌️🇺🇲
Well I have some of these and after seeing how they perform, think I will use them as range ammo. Great test brother tools.
Since I've been coming here you've saved me a good deal of money ! 👍
I believe the 40 S&W needs at least 1150 fps for a JHP to begin to perform properly. That's why I moved down to the 155 gr XTP. The Underwood 155gr is rated at 1300 fps. More than enough to expand properly.
In my opinion, even the Underwood 180 gr out at 1100 fps is a little too slow. But that's just my opinion.
Agreed. They gotta be movin if they're loaded with 180's.
I dunno man the 180 HST seems to perform in short barrels very well in my opinion..
150-165gr is the best load!
@@Texas2Step79 yeah there are plenty of sub 1000fps 40 loads that work fine. You can't expect to take a projectile designed for 10mm, slow it way down, and expect good performance. That's just stealing on the part of the manufacturer if you ask me.
Thanks for another real world demonstration!
Hey Tools, love all your tests. I have a test request.... Underwood 38 Special +P 158 grain lead SWCHP gas check black cherry coated out of a snub nose. It's supposed to be an improved version of the old FBI load. Think you could pull off a little old school cool with this one? Underwoods item #733. Thanks buddy!
I only carry Federal HST.
There are days I wonder if they load hollow points because the manufacturer got a good deal on the bullets and never tested them for anything but safe pressure. I'll give it to AAC for coming very close to the box velocity though.
I'm just glad AAC came on-line. Can always use another American Amunition Company, IMO. Their FMJ is great range ammo. I like the fact that they only serve the civilian market. (No police or military contracts here.) But it does appear they need to sharpin' their pencils when it come to HP tech...and as always, thanks for the share!!
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Important test. Great title. There’s no excuse for loading the .40 that slow.
Last resort may work good in a carbine! That is what I always wonder when these different ammos fail in a handgun lol! You're going to have to have a carbine on jelly contraption standby when they fail like that! lol! Preciate ya! & Happy Friday! 💥💥
Great test. This bullet is good for 10mm
All the XTP's are fails. Thanks for your testing.
Thanks for another great video, brother. You are my go-to if I want to see ammo test
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Appreciate that!
I just went and watched a factory tour video quick. They are aimed at "civilian" segment. They make primers in-house (lack data and development), but need to source contract projectiles for a variety. You can assume bulk industry powders at that point. At the scale it is being made, it will be conservative, mid-tier, and never throttled up to keep their insurance and lawyers happy while being mass production. They let us know that with the plain jane packaging from the beginning. Just my .02¢ and nice test Tools,&!
P.S. watch out, there's scammers in your comments and YT doesn't listen to reporting.
This is about on par with the standard original .40S&W loading - 180gr @ 984 or 1000fps. In this case, projectile selection is the factor. These projectiles are not well suited to the lower velocity.
When are companies going to learn, if it has an XTP it needs + P.
Thanks for the test it's a no buy for me. I usually use 165 grn or 155 grn.
Another good test there Tools. Good job. Really like the AAC ammo testing to see what calibers is really good and those that’s not so good. Price point is generally pretty good with AAC especially on the daily deals ammo page. Keep up the good work thanks for sharing be safe. Haven’t try’d AAC ammo yet but going to snag some in the daily deals page. 👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸⭐️
I load 180gr XTP's for my Ruger PC40 with Longshot. About 1,300 FPS.
AAC always seems to be ALMOST good enough. Speer Gold Dots live in my G22, and I don't plan on switching anytime soon.
Good test. Makes you wonder how the manufacturers test some of their products. Thanks for the video 👍🇺🇸
"I got a bad feeling jelly time"
Quote by Tools Solo.
Thanks for all the numbers.
As mentioned, the XTP bullet needs some serious velocity to expand. These are just too slow.
I have a video idea. I always hear 12 gauge autos have less recoil than pumps. That makes me wonder how much velocity might be lost on the autos. How about choosing a slug from a manufacturer and trying it in both a semi-auto and pump of same barrel lengths? I have a feeling the results may be interesting.
I have a handful of new shottys that I gotta get videos done on that will be great for that.
Thanks for a great test, good job as always.
Not impressive at all but in PSA's defense they are at the top of the charts with regards to Hodgdon Powder Co. MAX load for 180g XTP...978fps. I guess that is standard performance.
Underwood is 1100fps @484energy with standard 40S&W and Buffalo Bore +P is the exact same.
Seems to me you have to go down to 135gr Underwood to get the velocity, they're moving at 1400fps!
As you watch this, keep in mind Underwood 10mm 180 XTP at about 1,300 fps. With this AAC 180 XTP, looks like we see the minimum velocity needed for the bullet to remotely do its thing. If the UW loaded XTP is screaming out the gate, what max effective range can we expect to get???
It’s a shame these companies haven’t learned to run the XTP’s faster. When they run fast I think they’re a great projectile. It’s one of my favorite bullets to load spicy and they are pretty cost effective. Just too slow AAC! Spice these up and you’d have a good round. Awesome test as always good sir 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
I shot some of the 9mm full metal jacket and man that stuff was dirty.
Love your videos Tools always a honest review.
Very thankful for this test. I really wanted it to work, but that's what I was worried about. They should make a 155g
Definitely
You lucky fellow! Is 50f and rainy in SC
It was here today too. This was a few days ago.
Some ammo makers seem to hate .40 and underpower their loads for no reason that I can figure out. No reason 180 grainers need to be under 1000 or 165 grains under 1150ish.
Thanks. That's a shame about the .40S&W offerings but they are doing some nice work w/ their 5.56 77OTM loadings. House brand & Sierra projectiles are working nicely.
I still gotta test those.
The .40 s&w was designed to be 180 grain bullet at 950 fps.
On the lookout for a g27. Funny I was just talking about it today, good stuff.
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👍👍thanks Tools, another well done test.
I bought the aac 9mm it burned dirty smoke and smell I was using a pdw.so my eyes were burning up, I had some of the powder burned my eye and caused an infection. Buyer beware!!!
I would of liked to seen one more try on the second tool. Probably wouldn't of mattered but I am curious.
I am curious what recipe they used for the loading.
1 more grain might make the difference
so the answer is HST, pretty much always HST right?
Thanks for the data
Great video tools
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Have you ever tested the FIOCCHI 40s&w 155GR HYPERFORMANCE XTP ammo just wondering if they move fast enough being a lighter round to get good expansion
I never tried AAC ammo even in other calibers I'm just not a big XTP fan and from the looks of it I'm not missing much. I like the 40 s&w and love the 10mm but I just don't understand why most ammo company's don't take advantage of the power they are capable of especially the 10mm 90 % of it is trash. Good video thanks for the heads up a couple times I saw the AAC ammo on sale and almost picked up a couple hundred rounds.
Definitely not worth the extra recoil, etc with this kinda power.
Thanks for testing these rounds Tools! Show us the way! Thanks for all you do! I wonder it would in a G35 Full Size. ♠️🎩🎯🎱🇺🇸🏁🇮🇱🇺🇦🔱🌻🏵️💮🌸🌼🏴☠️🏹
I just recently discovered your channel and subscribed, its good to see honest and interesting reviews.
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If tumbling makes a good wound path in gel, would it do similar in flesh? So, how about the Fort Scott TUI?
The uneven expansion causes the tumbling.
But how coincidental, I was just looking at these on PSA and saw XTP and 1000 ft/sec and opted to pass. Those Hornady Critical Defense 165gn seem to be one of the best .40 tests I've seen recently, though. So, those and HST's are my benchmark. Perhaps of this AAC were more a standard JHP like Winchester Whitebox it would be a perfect budget option.
1000 fps for 180gr out of a 40 is normal.
@@trentvlak yes, I agree. But not for XTP rounds, based on all the tests I've seen. They really like 1100+.
@@hoffpbass they're hunting rounds, not designed to go through clothing and then expand. I would buy this for target ammo as well.
@@trentvlak I can see that. Take the same projectiles and put in 10mm cartridges and it will work as intended. But for self defense, I've got 180 grain HSTs I'm .40SW. I'm far more likely to get expansion in a critical situation.
Another great video i hate to spend money on all that stuff thanks man really appreciate you 👍 🇺🇸
Thanks brother for reading the comments, which is nice for us and allowed you to catch that scammer using your thumbnail pretending to be you.
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Thanks for the test.
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Undie wood 150gr, or the Penetrator!
Do you think it would be possible to safely chamber & shoot .45 Win Mag in a .45 auto/.45 colt Redhawk?
Thanks Tools, Is this another case of "You get what you pay for!"?
Aside from Gold Dots and HSTs, are there any good _subsonic_ .40 loads at all?
Thanks for another test
Good test .
Another ammo test in the books.🇺🇸👊
do you think these XTP bullets would be fine out of a carbine? I have a few hundred rounds of XTP and might have to sell them now. Pistols are poor enough fight stoppers, I do not need a bullet that just punches a hole through the bad guys.
I’ve seen this time and again with XTP’s. They need speed to open. Seeing the one out of the G22 got to thinking. Only part of one side opened and made it tumble. That disruption looked pretty good. What if you designed a bullet where only part of it expanded causing it to tumble every time. Tumbling bullets cause a lot of damage. Just an idea.
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Hmm, I don't know... I'm gonna make a bet with myself before I see the results. I doubt that a 180 gr load in .40 SW is gonna exceed 1000 fps in the real world. We'll see, maybe I'll lose the bet!
Edit: It did better than I thought out of the G22 for velocity, not far from 1000 fps. Too bad not so great expansion though. For the .40 SW I'll usually go with 165 gr because I much prefer a bit more velocity and energy rather than heavier and slower.