With the release of vision pro, let us see the future terminal form and what can replace mobile phones and laptops. In the era of VR glasses, 3D images will definitely replace 2D images, and there will be more and more 3D image content in the future. TECHE 3D180VR camera is a good effort, and it is also a relatively successful product and 3DVR image shooting tool. It is also one of the forerunners of future imaging equipment.
I’m new to VR180… like new new. This is my second day to discovering this stuff and I’m in ABSOLUTE AWE. I had bought a VR set 1 week ago and I thought gaming was all there was to it but then when I saw VR180 yesterday for the first time in my life, I just went into an awe. Wow, I’m TRULY AMAZED!!!!!!!!!!!! And also I’m new to VR in general. I just barely found out about VR a week a ago! I’m a big camera person so my next camera is going to be a VR180 camera!
Welcome to the world of immersive filmmaking / VR filmmaking! I will suggest check out our original VR video production on official Meta Quest TV channel: creator.oculus.com/community/3081175775539139/ - to see what is possible in immersive storytelling. VR def is not just for gamers. Small niche but fast growing.
Just thinking out loud: one stat I'd love to start hearing regularly in live stream capable VR180 cameras is the true time to encode for broadcast. In other words, what is the minimum possible delay between capture and handoff to whatever service (local or cloud) that will encode it for streaming. This should encompass time for stitching and considerations like wifi vs ethernet. I think it's helpful to approach it like quant firms wanting to have internet connections as close to the stock market as possible. If I'm watching sportsball, I want to know that the winning goal happened as few seconds ago as physically possible
@@hughhou can we also compare how long it takes from power on to start recording? This is one of my pet peeves with cameras. If it takes a full minite to start up, I might miss the shot. Also one of the calf videos had lots of motion blur. That wpuld be a good test.
Hugh, you’re the man! Three questions. 1. How is the network live streaming capability on the TECHE 3D180VR? Is there significant latency? Is the network live-stream at 2k proxy or 8k quality? 2. My primary use case is live stream, with the priority being video quality and low latency rather than price point. Thus do you suggest waiting for the Calf 3D VR180 camera? Which camera has better live stream quality / lower latency? 3. Is it possible to live stream from TECHE with external ambisonic audio source (such as Zoom H3-VR 360° VR Audio Recorder)? Many thanks for the excellent videos!
1.The latency in live streaming is influenced by various factors, including the camera's encoding and decoding, network transmission, server-side caching, player-side caching, and the performance of the playback device. In our tests using 3D180VR on a local network with SRT protocol, the average latency was around 1.2 seconds. When using the RTMP protocol, the latency did not exceed 2 seconds. The resolution during live streaming can be configured, with support for up to 8K 30fps live streaming, and the bitrate can be adjusted based on network conditions. The latency mentioned in the video comparison was tested using 8K resolution. 3.3D180VR supports external Zoom H3-VR. It can be connected via a Micro USB cable to input 4-channel audio.
Hey I will highly highly rewatch this video. All answers are in the video already in great details. Just to recap, “network live streaming” has different protocols. Which one do you use? I covered RTMP RTSP and SRT. SRT just stream 8K. RTSP is 2K - RTMP you can choose.
Hello Houg, thanks for your fantastic work, you really are the best in this scene! And you're a crazy guy too ;-) What happened with the announcement from Canon (consumer 180-3D)? Has the camera been released yet? I currently have an Insta EVO 360, which I am (almost) happy with. I really want to update now, or should I wait?
I found an interesting thing, in Hugh Hou's video, starting at 2:53, I repeatedly press the space bar to pause the video, TECHE 3D180VR has a clarity and image quality far superior to other cameras.
Thanks for the review! Just a few questions: 1. After recording, is it possible to send it to the Quest 2 for review? Wired and wireless? 2. What’s the predicted price point of the FM Dream? 3. Do you think the new Canon camera will be similar quality to TECH with 1 inch sensor 6K given the price point?
1. Yes. High quality in 8K 30fps HEVC. Wireless will be streaming as I also demo. That is 2K proxy tho. / 2. No idea. any one from FXG here can help answer this? / 3. No prob not. You do pay what you get in the camera industry. Look the the V-series vlog camera - they are like Insta360 quality. It is more for consumer.
Great video. I love the comparison videos between the Insta360, CALF, Teche- Fanless and Canon R5C. I kept pausing the video and tried to compare the four cameras. First impression was surprised at how well the Insta360 performed and how poorly the Canon R5C did. After closer inspection I began coming to the conclusion that the Canon contrast was dialed down -so perhaps my first impression had to do with settings. I then began to notice the jpeg artifacts and some washed out details in the Insta360 EVO video. I couldn’t explain why the grain in the wood floor looked so much better in the CALF video. Hugh and the dog were slightly more out of focus in the CALF but on the positive side, the CALF image appeared to have the least amount of JPEG artifacts, particularly noticeable around Hugh’s eyes and glasses. Overall, I’d take any of these cameras for a reasonable price / performance where my bias is for best portability for prosumer / armature travel. This sort of rules out the Canon for me and anything much over $1000 US. Can’t wait to see what Canon has to offer with their prototype 360 / 180 3D. ❤
Wow thank you for the indepth review of my review lol. So Canon is shot at Cinema Gaumt C - Log 3 - so the contract is very flat in favorite of "cinema" look and great color depth (you see later I pull all the color back kinda like HDR). Also Canon has no in sensor sharpening or denoising - so it is noisy and soft. But again, not a bad thing. This should be settings to dial in during post production process. Other camera does that for you so very consumer friendly but limit colorist like us to do color grading. So just different approaches. I choose to show what the camera gave us instead of doing any of my usual processing to keep it fair comparison. You also notice some focal distance here which is a great catch - this is related to lens quality.
Yeah, the canon videos look pretty disappointing and have to be edited in post I think. One of the major selling points of the other cameras is how straight forward they are I guess
That's my point too. Canon is a bit disappointing considering the price. In this point of view, CALF sounds reasonable with quality vs price. I also expect the new consumer model of Canon though,,, it should be better than EVO but around 1000usd actually. From Japan (Sorry Canon) 😅
The software do livestream and live recording at the same time. Not screen capture, but actually writing data into your local hard drive and the same feed going live. It is like due feeds. That is why it need a computer to process all these data in real time.
It is the 1" sensor they use. There is current no SONY 1" sensor can do high frame rate I believe. Same as One RS 1" - Insta360 is not releasing 60fps. So 60fps won't be in 1" - prob need to go bigger or smaller. FM Dream might be the only option for bigger. But I still do not have one yet.
@@hughhou Can you give us the time thresholds of when the fan turns on during continuous use? Does the fan turn on and increase at variable levels of strength or does it only run at one speed? Would it still pick up the buzz if a short mic like the Rode VideoMic Me Compact were plugged into the side aux?
Hi Hugh! Thanks for the great review! I'm struggling between the Canon Dual lens and Teche. They both are 8k 30FPS, and seems like Teche is easier to use. Does Teche need any post work? How does it come out raw without and post work? Does the little stitching flaw bother you? This is for shooting professional music video, what is your suggestions?
Teche footage come out is ready to go on the Internet. No need to do anything and very easy to use. The strength is on VR180 livestream. But Canon will get you more dynamic range, better image quality still and full control of F-stop and motion blur. So more professional workflow. If you have the cash and can learn editing workflow, I will go with Canon R5C with Dual fisheye lens for now.
@@hughhou Thanks for your prompt reply! I think I will get the Canon given the higher dynamic range and better image quality. Correct me if I am wrong, I assume the R5c support 60fps when using an external power supply? I hope the post editing won't be too crazy. Thank you again!
Thanks for the details! I ordered this after watching this video...I'd been in the market for a while. I am having great difficulty with the iOS app crashing constantly. Now, it will not even open any any of the iOS devices I have, but the PC app will connect just fine. Have you experienced this? Also, do you know of an easy way to determine what mode it is in without being connected to app? Documentation on this device is almost non-existant.
I actually have very smooth experience with the iOs app. I am sure Android will work better tho as the app originally design on. That is the biggest pick I have on them - a way to control the camera without the App at all! But nope they did not update this yet. There are so many physicals button they can program to have "quick capture" enable. I don't want to put Insta360 standard on them on UIs - but something easy to use button combo is highly recommanded. Right now having iOs app to control the camera is a must and it is a pain - I know. When it connect it is pretty stable tho with the latest firmware update. Have you update yet?
@@hughhou I was able to connect the first few times with no problems. Over the past 5 days, I would have to re-try multiple times. Today I have had no success. I was able to perform the firmware update today via the PC app.
Hi Hugh, I'ma huge fan for years. You taught me a lot of things in real life about premiere mistika and others... I have a question if you dont mind. I would like to equip myself with a good 360 vr camera, and I am thinking of buying the titan, because I think that for now it is the best option. Do you know if other cameras that would make it obsolete will be released, or if it's still a good option to consider? Thank you very much for your reply and all your videos.
I have not heard of any new VR360 camera and Titan is the best in the industry but Kandao Obsidian Pro is the best in image quality (well also super expensive). I think there will be a new one coming out soon as it is over over due but really I don't know and even if I know - I will be under heavy NDA so I can not share
That is actually very true and if "someone" know how to do post - we might get better stereo all 180. But this camera can get super close the Pro 2 can't. It is still a tradeoff
Insta360 Pro 2 its not same quality, not same comfort to use and size... Also 360 is wasting pixels... no one have 4 eyes... 360 is only ok on static images when you can stay and rotate to see everything around
I was doing vr180 3d at least 5 years ago. Nothing fantastic here. I had 5.7k30 interpolated with gyro stabilization. I want to see 6k60 no interpolation with stabilization. This is the minimum in a 2800x 1680 headset like my samsung odyssey gen1. Everything under 6k60 is useless. 4k is not enough in VR. So the type of camera overheat easily and file are very big fast. I sold it and wait a technology jump. But i captured nice 3d photo and video in the past in 360 and vr180. The post production was new at this time. I was using vegas pro with plugin for VR. Now i use DaVinci Resolve (free version) i think the studio version is needed for 5.7k.
@@hughhou Thanks for your reply! Some further questions: Can Canon R5 or Kandao 3D camera do 3D live streaming through PC? If yes, how is stitching done on the moment of live streaming?
That can be me moving the light to track Keeley and the Teche is on the far right where my hand is so I might be accidentally move the light to close. Other Teche footage we are editing right now I do not see any frame drop.
Many people want to see the video comparison effect between Canon camera and 3D180VR, HEVC 10 bit at 8K default color configuration. Hope to make a comparison, thank you.
Raw is 2600mbps. It is unbearable in 60p. I had vuze xr 5 years ago. What we need is 6k60 with gyro stabilization. My vuze xr was near perfect except the speed with was 30 interpolated only. The resolution was good but the animation was not smooth, you could see the people moving ghost on fast movement or walking. But it was close and the file was reasonable and it had gyro stabilization which was good. Canon does not seem stabilized.
Hope you can upload raws when you have time. I saw an original file on FB and wasn’t really impressed by the image (maybe because there was a lot of contrast?) I was really close to buying it too
As always your videos are inspirational. I bought the Titan in 2020 following your reviews and I'm still learning how to using well, but the quality of camera and image had let me do a lot of different contents. The only format in wich no work fine is for concerts, too much high ligths and contrast. This week will arrive the Dual Fisheye, we will give an oportunity. But for live, the Teche could be a good option.
Hi Hugh, I've just clicked the "buy" button on this camera, I should have waited till your review but the samples looked great. 😂 I hope I made the right choice!
@@hughhou Thanks for the awesome video, I feel like I made the right choice, the Teche looks better than the Canon in some cases. I am super excited to try it when it arrives!
Oh no. They have their app APK. Right now I only tested on Pico as this is what is camera designed for. But they told me the Quest (on sidequest) player will be releasing soon. They are fine tuning the camera first as pority based on this video and feedback from other VR180 shooters.
Dear Hugh - thanks again for another informing video - I just bought the cam and hope for it to arrive soon. we would like to stream live stage events to interested viewers... but need to make sure that these streams are first of all easily accessible for the viewers, will stream correctly in VR180 so the headsets can immideately play them back and ideally are behind a paywall as no artists wants to give them away for free for sure. So if you could do a tutorial on where to stream the videos to and what works best for most headsets - that would be amazing. I can also get in touch on facebook if that helps. Thanks a lot and greetings from Europe
Hugh, what do you use to increase FPS from 30 to 60? Any recommendation for upscale resolution from 5.7K to 8K? I want to do play with my Evo 3d footages to check output quality. May be there is a all-at-one video tool (maybe AI based) which increases FPS, resolution and quality significantly?
Any chance you can see if TECH VR live-streaming still works? It keeps crashing on my headset after about 30 sec of launching even when not live streaming
@@hughhouI use TECHE VR app on PICO 4 that was loaded by TECHE staff. I have international non-China PICO 4 and there was an update that stops the app if not downloaded from official store 😭 Do you u know if there are any other apps for PICO or Quest that support SRT streams?
So exciting for Canon V series. Under $1000. I have been waiting for a both 360&180 camera for years since Vuze XR was canceled. YES!🤩 Hope it could be 4K per eye with HDR.
It's an otherwise awesome camera, but the on-board microphones - or rather the on-board A/D converter connected to those microphones, is a letdown. It sounds like its internal sample rate is only 16000 Hz, so you get a muddy sound with no frequencies above 8 kHz. So, if you get this camera, you will need to use an external USB microphone / audio device with it. I really hope they can up the sample rate to 48 000 with a firmware update (so that it's not a hardwired limitation).
@Hugh Hou I heard the sample. No fan noise = good. But it lacks high frequencies and sounds muffled (also it is very quiet so you need to gain it up a lot). If you look at onboard recordings of the 3D180VR in a spectrogram you can see there is barely any signal above 8000 Hz. The audio is encoded into the video as 48k but the internal sample rate of the onboard A/D converter seems to be only 16k. I have made recordings with my own 3D180VR as well, same problem. You need to use an external USB mic with the 3D180VR to get good sound. Also the USB audio adapter that comes with 3D180VR only records in mono (you get 2 channels but there is no stereo difference) so you need to use something else as a USB Interface to record stereo from a camera mic. A Zoom H1 works well for this, you can set it to USB Interface mode and then you can plug a 3.5mm stereo camera mic to its input. Insta360 One RS has the same issue. Low internal sample rate -> muddy sound.
@@hughhou A sure-fire way to test the frequency response of mics and A/D converters is to jingle a bunch of (metal) keys near the microphones. Metal emits very high frequencies so you can clearly hear if they end up missing in the resulting recording. If you test that, then compared to what you hear with your own ears, the 3D180VR on-board recording sounds like underwater.
@@hughhou The latest firmware update 0.1.16 now fixes the on-board mic sound quality issue. It was a matter of sample rate on the A/D converter. The frequency response used to go only up to 8k, now it goes up to 17k. Maybe you already had that update since you had an early beta of the firmware?
Can this do 60fps in lower resolution like 7k or 6k? I want to get this but the 30fps sucks in my opinion and I would rather do a smaller resolution with it if I can at least shoot in 60fps? Thanks
No. It is the sensor limitation of the 1" - Teche now told me they are consider 60fps in like 6K ... but might be some AI involve and take some time to finish the development. Just like Teche 360Anywhere - they are pretty good at updating features but pretty slow on that.
@Hugh Hou it's a shame, I hate these new cameras flashing up to 8k resolutions but with crap 30fps, at least the fmduo claims 12k but offer 8k 60fps which is more than enough, no reason this camera should give us 60fps at lower resolution
Thank you. It seems that it is time for the 4th or 5th reincarnation of the stereo image into the life of society. I lived the last three of them. I think humanity will not stop at this and finally we will be able to get the full impression only by using something like Neurolink. Everything develops from simple to complex. However, this is for future generations. Hello people of the future. 🥰
11:21 Too smooth; the image is obviously processed as you've subsequently pointed out. I would assume, the "beautify" algorithm is an option than can be turned off, otherwise the camera's not worth the asking price, even if it does negate the requirement of an intermediary PC.
Ouch so expensive hoping the new Canon will step up to compete otherwise I'll just get the Apple Vission Pro next year. Its the best bang for your buck and has more uses besides VR180 recording/streaming seen here...
I was waiting for the high definition live VR180 camera. But the price is higher than expected..🤣🤣 It would have been better if it was less than $1000 to $2000.. I'm waiting for the Canon VR camera. This video is really cool, too.
So I just heard (from kickstarter and other viewers not official) CALF is also gonna support VR180 livestream. So that is around $1000 range. Livestream camera is in general more expensive than regular camera so that might be your cheapest bet.
I think it would be cool to have a wall in my room showing me my yard with a VR camera live stream. That way I could work in VR with virtual monitors with passthrough on to see my room and then have one wall of my room being my front yard. Or like a wall being a friend's house to play videogames with them or playing guitar.
I was noticing the framerate when stacked against the other cameras was worse. It cant do 60fps even in non-streaming mode? I'm giessing that their AI upscaling makes the higher framerate impossible. It's even beautifying your dog and your hardwood floors. It's an AI nightmare. I want to see what the image looks like before all that nonsense. They'd probably be able to crank it to 60fps without it
(EDIT) After further review, I have determined that Teche's test footage is just an awkward example to look at but their image is just fine. That is all. Calf's audio sounds noisier than expected. But Teche's audio is very distant and muted. So I'm wondering which sounds better after the white noise is removed. Can calf support an external mic? I know that Teche can
Hello, can you please share the video you were watching where you found the edges to be uncomfortable? We would like to review it and confirm the effect you mentioned.
@@KO-rf1ol First of all, I'm not a professional and dont own a VR camera yet- just in the market to buy my first one. It was one of the samples from: drive.google.com/drive/folders/17eOzgUow5BughzMYyXejTUBRR_wKuAYa called "8K 3D180VR Sample.mp4", though all the footage there has the same effect while viewing it in DeoVR on an HP Reverb G2. After further review, I think that what I'm seeing is an issue with all 180VR video in general that I've never really noticed until looking at this particularly awkward test footage where you have plates of food in the lower periphery. If I try to look at the chips and salsa on the left, I have to turn my head completely horizontal to see it, same with the pasta on the right. Looking from plate to plate it just becomes very apparent that I have to tilt my head as I turn. But it turns out it's some of the ONLY VR180 footage I have that has details in those uncomfortable viewing angles. But I did find some others after digging through my clips, like Calf's Dog & Cat videos had the same problem because the camera was so close to the linoleum. Its just something I never noticed about this video format I guess. If I weren't looking at the footage with the mindset of checking it's quality, I probably wouldn't have paid any mind to it. I'd just say that it's just something to try to avoid filming in the first place, and it might be a good idea to film a separate scene where the peripherals are further away lest someone think that it's a problem with the camera. Calf has something like 40 different scenes to download for instance, and if the only one they had were the dog & cat scene, I'd probably have raised an eyebrow about that head tilting issue.
This is a general issue of Side by side rig vs circle rig (Pro 2 / Titan / Obsidian Pro). The place you describe is what I mention in the video called stereo death zone - you want to avoid putting anything close there at all cost. It is a design problem. The only way to avoid it is to NOT use VR180 rig which is all side by side.
I really think any live stream is a tiny slice of the market. Its great that there are products that do this, but why on earth do we have no options for the 99.9% of people on earth. Nobody live streams, but we get that camera first? Why? HMD users are growing like mad, so all this should eventually be useful, but not now. We need the normal affordable cams. Hopefully, the canon can change things. Insta360 stopped the "modular" system with no 3d ability, which was a surprise.
Once Apple comes out with the thier VR headset, they will push the market of 180 3d VR to the next level, we can finally stream what we actual see in events like weddings, or even life sports.
@@hughhouOh the spherical camera system you talked about last. Two of them together would be the best immersive video camera system ever but then the IPD would be too wide due to the physical limitations.
Hey Hugh, any idea if the smoothing thats going on in the video can be adjusted? This camera meets a lot of our needs but the smoothing is... Really bad.
Uncompressed VR180 video is coming don't worry. Editing it still but I have a remote paid gig coming so I might need to come back to it when I get back in a week. Thank you for being patient :)
Agreed. The consumer level market has been discontinued it seems. I guess we will have to build our own rigs. It would be great to get a guide to do that using different cameras.
@@kamenwaticlients I'm only in the vr world sideways and don't keep track of it at all. Hearing you say the consumer market has no option after all the "not selling" stories I've read, leads me to believe Apple and anyone else trying this stuff has really missed the mark about the market. The money is in the consumer markets, as the Iphone proves. What's the point of a product that serves no needed function and has a high price tag. That's about as "toy for the rich" as it gets.
You have literally no idea what you're talking about, 4 years ago all we had was things like a index, $1,000 to get into vr, now we have the quest 2 for 300$
Peace be with you☺ Thank you for this very informative video. You are correct in saying that AR/VR industry has to wait for Apple's VISION PRO. It's clear however that Apple will offer their own solutions supporting 3D photo and video content on their headset. Turning the existing industry on their heads no doubt. Because of Apple's involvement this niche market will become main stream.
Yes, if you watch my Vision Pro review - I leak their professional VR180 camera - maybe only for Apple internal use but the pro market is def there and will be drive by Apple. Not sure Apple is a camera company tho so they are going to work with someone eventually.
While no one knows exactly what Apple has in store, I believe that Apple might “Repurpose” their products - iPhone, iMovie, Final Cut Pro - to support their VISION PRO headset. Whether Apple creates in-house software applications, Modifies Current Applications or buys outright existing companies such as POLYCAM - POLYCAM 3D Scanner LIDAR 360 iOS app - in order that content creation is easily accessible to everyone.
I got some videos and photos from friends' camera. 1. Synchronization problems. The cameras run in variable bit rate and are synchronized every second. This has large asynchronous frames and an irregular motion sequence that does not resolve itself even with Optical Flow at 60fps. Photos are a frame of video saved out of sync. 2. Fixed F1.8 always has burned out sun. No ND filter to increase exposure times due to stroboscopic effect at 30fps. 3. Noise reduction destroys too much detail. Data rate 100MBit/s would turn details and noise into artefacts. Conclusion: ok for indoor live streaming, useless for hobby videos. Sync issues and f1.8 issues are not correctable in the post process. Photos with high probability synchronously. Try it on a screen with a stopwatch with milliseconds. The built-in microphones are almost useless. For the price of the camera and the manufacturer's brand, the camera is a joke.
I believe the sync issue is a firmware thing. I don't notice sync issue. F1.8 is an issue and ND will be nice. I notice the same thing and you can see my outdoor sample here suffer the same issue. Noise reduction is my biggest pick on the camera and I am 1000% agree with you on that. I really hope enough PRO giving them feedback that can fix it. I believe this is a 100% firmware issue and can be easily solve. They design the camera for livestream first so "girl" influencers need beautify filter (btw, standard in any Chinese camera - people need to look airblush finished). They have that built in instead of a feature we can choose to turn and off. Again appreciate your comment here as always!
If I was working on Calf, which launches on KS tomorrow, I'd be feeling pretty sad right now! Still, the price point targets a completely different class of user. What I suspect most folks still don't see when they get hung up on the price of these devices is that when the correct modality is obvious in hindsight, these things will pay for themselves. That is, nobody understood who would want televisions or computers when they were first available. Adult content is indeed one of the most obvious examples, and folks should get over their prudish hangups. However, I believe that will will see more and more examples of people watching sports and concerts in high-resolution VR180 with their friends, in applications like BigScreen or similar. And guess what? If porn is amazing in VR180, real-time devices like this Teche unit might make you question if Google's virtual telepresence machines might be over-engineered. If you could visit your kids before bed on a business trip and have it feel almost real, you might not think all of this is so crazy. Still, for US$4200 the 30fps thing is a real problem. I suspect that the problem is heat dissipation. My hope is that the MkII will figure out how to do 60/90fps and beyond without melting the case within the next few years.
Did hugh mention how hot it gets? I think the fps problem is that they need time to run their upscaling algos. I think they're trying to pass it off as being higher quality than it is.
@@Insomn that could be a fair takeaway, no doubt. However, there’s a very real direct relationship between realtime stitching and heat dissipation. It’s very likely that it could do the magic a lot faster if overclocked and water-cooled, for example. The real hard limit is the processing horsepower vs power draw of today’s chips. At some point, you will see diminishing returns no matter how much money you throw at it.
Agreed. The killer features of these new breed of VR180 cameras is the internal stitching and streaming. Which definitely leads to the excessive heat. There is always making ones own rig with two normal cameras to avoid heat but the lack of streaming and the post work make it fill a different market then these new cameras.
@@kamenwaticlients I’m a career developer and amateur hardware hacker. I wouldn’t even know where to start creating a hardware video stitching solution. It seems like the sort of thing ~5 people are really great at, because they spent years working on it after studying DSPs at the PhD level… I think it’s a better use of my resources to outsource to the pros on this front.
@@pjforde1978 Yeah let them handle it and we the consumer pester them gently so they can take the hint and develop for us as well as the pro's . I'm going to stick to software post production stitching until I can figure out a way to make the added expense for the pro gear make sense.
@@hughhouaha well many say VHS won the battle with Betamax because adult film makers put out a LOT more content on VHS (they preferred VHS) and this was before major movie studios started doing releases on VHS or Betamax. Fact checks do some funny wording to make it sound otherwise, but the adult movie industry launched VHS far ahead of Betamax.
Oh... INSTA360 EVO!!! ONE LOVE!!! And this one its just for pron cam girls ( this is why they are so expensive and why they invested in LIVE streaming in a first place...
the price is the issue. maybe 5 years from now the next gen phones will have these capabilities. Apple then will own the market. shame. evo was a loss. bad motherboard design, and the ignorance of the streaming platforms.
@@hughhou most likely. the idea of 3dtv will be apples VR killer media for the family. it such a shame it was ignored for 5 years. i have my not working evo on ebay, plus all accessories. if one can fix it its a deal .;) we need a 600 dollar streaming 180vr camera before having to wait for integration into both Samsung and apple top end phones in a few years
I'm barely into watching this video and I just want to say, I appreciate original content, yet hearing another "Hey, What's up everybody?" at the start of a video makes me want to throw up. This opening is unoriginal, unnecessary (do you think we are really going to answer?), and feels like insecurity. Skip the BS and get to why we came. Thanks.
Thank you for the feedback. I actually has been doing that for the past 10 years on my channel. But I will come up with something more creative to say :)
@@hughhou I was likely too harsh in my comment, but it expressed what I was feeling at the moment. You are a smart guy and I appreciate your work. Perhaps because I'm older now, I'm not as much into the hype that the younger generation goes for. It doesn't seem like what a calm, intelligent person would do, but perhaps it is, since I don't know you,. Thanks for your response.
Your work is really fantastic!
Undoubtedly you are the best VR content creator on RUclips
Wow thank you so much! I am so glad you think so.
With the release of vision pro, let us see the future terminal form and what can replace mobile phones and laptops. In the era of VR glasses, 3D images will definitely replace 2D images, and there will be more and more 3D image content in the future. TECHE 3D180VR camera is a good effort, and it is also a relatively successful product and 3DVR image shooting tool. It is also one of the forerunners of future imaging equipment.
TECHE always seems to struggle with the chromatic abberation. Does it only provide 3D calibrated output, or can you DIY with Mistika?
You can output raw fisheye to DIY with Mistika. I should get some sample footage out soon when I back from job
How is Teche what is their products
TECHE is actually a very well establish company in 360, VR. I think they more focus on Enterprise and live market.
Great video, Hugh! Love the comparison shots!
I’m new to VR180… like new new. This is my second day to discovering this stuff and I’m in ABSOLUTE AWE. I had bought a VR set 1 week ago and I thought gaming was all there was to it but then when I saw VR180 yesterday for the first time in my life, I just went into an awe. Wow, I’m TRULY AMAZED!!!!!!!!!!!! And also I’m new to VR in general. I just barely found out about VR a week a ago! I’m a big camera person so my next camera is going to be a VR180 camera!
Welcome to the world of immersive filmmaking / VR filmmaking! I will suggest check out our original VR video production on official Meta Quest TV channel: creator.oculus.com/community/3081175775539139/ - to see what is possible in immersive storytelling. VR def is not just for gamers. Small niche but fast growing.
@hughhou yes! Thank you so much!! I will check it out! I have and I will definitely keep watching all your videos! Thank you!
Just thinking out loud: one stat I'd love to start hearing regularly in live stream capable VR180 cameras is the true time to encode for broadcast. In other words, what is the minimum possible delay between capture and handoff to whatever service (local or cloud) that will encode it for streaming. This should encompass time for stitching and considerations like wifi vs ethernet. I think it's helpful to approach it like quant firms wanting to have internet connections as close to the stock market as possible. If I'm watching sportsball, I want to know that the winning goal happened as few seconds ago as physically possible
Oh you will hear this tomorrow in this review!! It is targeted to Pros just like you! We will cover this for sure.
@@hughhou Oh, Hugh. I don't know what tune to set this to... but thank you for all that you do, and please keep on just being you.
@@hughhou can we also compare how long it takes from power on to start recording? This is one of my pet peeves with cameras. If it takes a full minite to start up, I might miss the shot. Also one of the calf videos had lots of motion blur. That wpuld be a good test.
Hugh, you’re the man! Three questions.
1. How is the network live streaming capability on the TECHE 3D180VR? Is there significant latency? Is the network live-stream at 2k proxy or 8k quality?
2. My primary use case is live stream, with the priority being video quality and low latency rather than price point. Thus do you suggest waiting for the Calf 3D VR180 camera? Which camera has better live stream quality / lower latency?
3. Is it possible to live stream from TECHE with external ambisonic audio source (such as Zoom H3-VR 360° VR Audio Recorder)?
Many thanks for the excellent videos!
1.The latency in live streaming is influenced by various factors, including the camera's encoding and decoding, network transmission, server-side caching, player-side caching, and the performance of the playback device. In our tests using 3D180VR on a local network with SRT protocol, the average latency was around 1.2 seconds. When using the RTMP protocol, the latency did not exceed 2 seconds. The resolution during live streaming can be configured, with support for up to 8K 30fps live streaming, and the bitrate can be adjusted based on network conditions. The latency mentioned in the video comparison was tested using 8K resolution.
3.3D180VR supports external Zoom H3-VR. It can be connected via a Micro USB cable to input 4-channel audio.
Hey I will highly highly rewatch this video. All answers are in the video already in great details. Just to recap, “network live streaming” has different protocols. Which one do you use? I covered RTMP RTSP and SRT. SRT just stream 8K. RTSP is 2K - RTMP you can choose.
Hello Houg,
thanks for your fantastic work, you really are the best in this scene! And you're a crazy guy too ;-)
What happened with the announcement from Canon (consumer 180-3D)? Has the camera been released yet?
I currently have an Insta EVO 360, which I am (almost) happy with. I really want to update now, or should I wait?
I found an interesting thing, in Hugh Hou's video, starting at 2:53, I repeatedly press the space bar to pause the video, TECHE 3D180VR has a clarity and image quality far superior to other cameras.
Nice review! Very good comparisons! Thanks for the hard work!
Our pleasure! Thank you for stopping by the livestream :)
Hi Hugh. Have you made a detailed video about how to do the live preview or live stream with the teche to the pico headset wirelessly ?
No I am behind on that. Do they have any update lately?
@@hughhouthis would be quite interesting
Thanks for the review! Just a few questions:
1. After recording, is it possible to send it to the Quest 2 for review? Wired and wireless?
2. What’s the predicted price point of the FM Dream?
3. Do you think the new Canon camera will be similar quality to TECH with 1 inch sensor 6K given the price point?
1. Yes. High quality in 8K 30fps HEVC. Wireless will be streaming as I also demo. That is 2K proxy tho. / 2. No idea. any one from FXG here can help answer this? / 3. No prob not. You do pay what you get in the camera industry. Look the the V-series vlog camera - they are like Insta360 quality. It is more for consumer.
@@hughhouwhat app do you use to watch it live on Quest 2?
Great video. I love the comparison videos between the Insta360, CALF, Teche- Fanless and Canon R5C. I kept pausing the video and tried to compare the four cameras. First impression was surprised at how well the Insta360 performed and how poorly the Canon R5C did. After closer inspection I began coming to the conclusion that the Canon contrast was dialed down -so perhaps my first impression had to do with settings. I then began to notice the jpeg artifacts and some washed out details in the Insta360 EVO video. I couldn’t explain why the grain in the wood floor looked so much better in the CALF video. Hugh and the dog were slightly more out of focus in the CALF but on the positive side, the CALF image appeared to have the least amount of JPEG artifacts, particularly noticeable around Hugh’s eyes and glasses. Overall, I’d take any of these cameras for a reasonable price / performance where my bias is for best portability for prosumer / armature travel. This sort of rules out the Canon for me and anything much over $1000 US. Can’t wait to see what Canon has to offer with their prototype 360 / 180 3D. ❤
Wow thank you for the indepth review of my review lol. So Canon is shot at Cinema Gaumt C - Log 3 - so the contract is very flat in favorite of "cinema" look and great color depth (you see later I pull all the color back kinda like HDR). Also Canon has no in sensor sharpening or denoising - so it is noisy and soft. But again, not a bad thing. This should be settings to dial in during post production process. Other camera does that for you so very consumer friendly but limit colorist like us to do color grading. So just different approaches. I choose to show what the camera gave us instead of doing any of my usual processing to keep it fair comparison. You also notice some focal distance here which is a great catch - this is related to lens quality.
Yeah, the canon videos look pretty disappointing and have to be edited in post I think. One of the major selling points of the other cameras is how straight forward they are I guess
That's my point too.
Canon is a bit disappointing considering the price.
In this point of view, CALF sounds reasonable with quality vs price.
I also expect the new consumer model of Canon though,,, it should be better than EVO but around 1000usd actually.
From Japan (Sorry Canon) 😅
Did you livestream and record in camera at the same time? Or livestream and screen record the Pico headset?
The software do livestream and live recording at the same time. Not screen capture, but actually writing data into your local hard drive and the same feed going live. It is like due feeds. That is why it need a computer to process all these data in real time.
I'm looking at the specs at the website, and video res seems to ONLY do 8k @ 30fps. Surprised there's no option to drop down to like, 5k or 6k at 60
It is the 1" sensor they use. There is current no SONY 1" sensor can do high frame rate I believe. Same as One RS 1" - Insta360 is not releasing 60fps. So 60fps won't be in 1" - prob need to go bigger or smaller. FM Dream might be the only option for bigger. But I still do not have one yet.
What's with CALF's buzzy audio? They gonna fix that in the future?
I hope so. I think it pick up the fans.
@@hughhou Can you give us the time thresholds of when the fan turns on during continuous use? Does the fan turn on and increase at variable levels of strength or does it only run at one speed? Would it still pick up the buzz if a short mic like the Rode VideoMic Me Compact were plugged into the side aux?
Nowadays, can we livestream in 3D 180 with Canon R5C yet? With what platforms? And can you see it in pico4? Thanks for the answer.
That is a series of tutorials coming on that topic... Stay tuned!
Hi Hugh! Thanks for the great review! I'm struggling between the Canon Dual lens and Teche. They both are 8k 30FPS, and seems like Teche is easier to use. Does Teche need any post work? How does it come out raw without and post work? Does the little stitching flaw bother you? This is for shooting professional music video, what is your suggestions?
Teche footage come out is ready to go on the Internet. No need to do anything and very easy to use. The strength is on VR180 livestream. But Canon will get you more dynamic range, better image quality still and full control of F-stop and motion blur. So more professional workflow. If you have the cash and can learn editing workflow, I will go with Canon R5C with Dual fisheye lens for now.
@@hughhou Thanks for your prompt reply! I think I will get the Canon given the higher dynamic range and better image quality. Correct me if I am wrong, I assume the R5c support 60fps when using an external power supply? I hope the post editing won't be too crazy. Thank you again!
Thanks for the details! I ordered this after watching this video...I'd been in the market for a while. I am having great difficulty with the iOS app crashing constantly. Now, it will not even open any any of the iOS devices I have, but the PC app will connect just fine. Have you experienced this? Also, do you know of an easy way to determine what mode it is in without being connected to app? Documentation on this device is almost non-existant.
I actually have very smooth experience with the iOs app. I am sure Android will work better tho as the app originally design on. That is the biggest pick I have on them - a way to control the camera without the App at all! But nope they did not update this yet. There are so many physicals button they can program to have "quick capture" enable. I don't want to put Insta360 standard on them on UIs - but something easy to use button combo is highly recommanded. Right now having iOs app to control the camera is a must and it is a pain - I know. When it connect it is pretty stable tho with the latest firmware update. Have you update yet?
@@hughhou I was able to connect the first few times with no problems. Over the past 5 days, I would have to re-try multiple times. Today I have had no success. I was able to perform the firmware update today via the PC app.
How is the image stabilization on the Teche, does the software have any image stabilization coompatability. Thanks!
Hi Hugh, I'ma huge fan for years.
You taught me a lot of things in real life about premiere mistika and others...
I have a question if you dont mind.
I would like to equip myself with a good 360 vr camera, and I am thinking of buying the titan, because I think that for now it is the best option. Do you know if other cameras that would make it obsolete will be released, or if it's still a good option to consider?
Thank you very much for your reply and all your videos.
I have not heard of any new VR360 camera and Titan is the best in the industry but Kandao Obsidian Pro is the best in image quality (well also super expensive). I think there will be a new one coming out soon as it is over over due but really I don't know and even if I know - I will be under heavy NDA so I can not share
This looks like a pretty sweet VR180 camera! Interestingly though, for $4.5k you could just about get an Insta360 Pro 2 and get full 3D 360° video.
That is actually very true and if "someone" know how to do post - we might get better stereo all 180. But this camera can get super close the Pro 2 can't. It is still a tradeoff
Insta360 Pro 2 its not same quality, not same comfort to use and size... Also 360 is wasting pixels... no one have 4 eyes... 360 is only ok on static images when you can stay and rotate to see everything around
I was doing vr180 3d at least 5 years ago. Nothing fantastic here. I had 5.7k30 interpolated with gyro stabilization. I want to see 6k60 no interpolation with stabilization. This is the minimum in a 2800x 1680 headset like my samsung odyssey gen1. Everything under 6k60 is useless. 4k is not enough in VR. So the type of camera overheat easily and file are very big fast. I sold it and wait a technology jump. But i captured nice 3d photo and video in the past in 360 and vr180. The post production was new at this time. I was using vegas pro with plugin for VR. Now i use DaVinci Resolve (free version) i think the studio version is needed for 5.7k.
Thanks for your testing review 🙏 one question, i see depth of field in the video. Is possible changing F number? Or can you set where to focus?
There should not have and depth of field in Teche. You mean in Canon? TECHE is locked F in F1.8.
@@hughhou goog to know it. By the way compare to huge price difference, i think insta 360 Evo isn't bad.
Great video! Do you have any examples of insta pro2 in 180 3D?
Yes. This one: ruclips.net/video/4DiXh_9vklQ/видео.htmlsi=Gq8oXWWU4e7-NajI
any updates on the new canon vr180 camera?
Prob after CES. Everyone is on holiday
Nice video! It is really a very attractive product for VR180, but just too expensive. Still waiting for more consumable products with easier workflow.
Should have something for you right after CES
Hi Hugh, does Teche provide software or toolkit to support the livestreaming through PC?
No not yet. Just in camera or using the TikTok software fully integrated. But go live on Pico directly so that is the limitation.
@@hughhou Thanks!
@@hughhou Thanks for your reply! Some further questions: Can Canon R5 or Kandao 3D camera do 3D live streaming through PC? If yes, how is stitching done on the moment of live streaming?
@hughhou during the audio comparison, I noticed that the Teche flashes 1 for a single frame every now and again? any idea why? Thanks!
That can be me moving the light to track Keeley and the Teche is on the far right where my hand is so I might be accidentally move the light to close. Other Teche footage we are editing right now I do not see any frame drop.
@@hughhou thank you so much, you truely are a legend!
Many people want to see the video comparison effect between Canon camera and 3D180VR, HEVC 10 bit at 8K default color configuration. Hope to make a comparison, thank you.
Raw is 2600mbps. It is unbearable in 60p. I had vuze xr 5 years ago. What we need is 6k60 with gyro stabilization. My vuze xr was near perfect except the speed with was 30 interpolated only. The resolution was good but the animation was not smooth, you could see the people moving ghost on fast movement or walking. But it was close and the file was reasonable and it had gyro stabilization which was good. Canon does not seem stabilized.
Hope you can upload raws when you have time. I saw an original file on FB and wasn’t really impressed by the image (maybe because there was a lot of contrast?) I was really close to buying it too
How has the TECHE VR180 been holding up. Would you still reccommend it ?
I have not follow up as I am more a RED and Canon shooter these days. I will do some update review soon. It is def a solid buy
Hi
What 3D video camera do you recommend that I can use to display the videos on a Naked-Eye 3D Led billboard
Do you have a link for the LED Billboard you are talking about. What 3D format it expect?
Cool ..TECHE looks Interesting ..I like the Low Light abilities ... hopefully there is More 180 VR Camera Options in the Pipeline!!
Oh there is more :)
As always your videos are inspirational. I bought the Titan in 2020 following your reviews and I'm still learning how to using well, but the quality of camera and image had let me do a lot of different contents. The only format in wich no work fine is for concerts, too much high ligths and contrast. This week will arrive the Dual Fisheye, we will give an oportunity. But for live, the Teche could be a good option.
Glad you like them! Yes live Teche is pretty solid.
Hi Hugh, I've just clicked the "buy" button on this camera, I should have waited till your review but the samples looked great. 😂 I hope I made the right choice!
Lol, at least wait for my review next time! There is NEWS in this video so... will let you know in 10-min lol.
@@hughhou Thanks for the awesome video, I feel like I made the right choice, the Teche looks better than the Canon in some cases. I am super excited to try it when it arrives!
How would you get a live feed for a client on the Quest 2? On DeoVR? If so how?
Oh no. They have their app APK. Right now I only tested on Pico as this is what is camera designed for. But they told me the Quest (on sidequest) player will be releasing soon. They are fine tuning the camera first as pority based on this video and feedback from other VR180 shooters.
@@hughhouI see. Looks like you used Pico Neo 2 on the intro?
Dear Hugh - thanks again for another informing video - I just bought the cam and hope for it to arrive soon.
we would like to stream live stage events to interested viewers... but need to make sure that these streams are first of all easily accessible for the viewers, will stream correctly in VR180 so the headsets can immideately play them back and ideally are behind a paywall as no artists wants to give them away for free for sure.
So if you could do a tutorial on where to stream the videos to and what works best for most headsets - that would be amazing.
I can also get in touch on facebook if that helps.
Thanks a lot and greetings from Europe
Yes livestream tutorial are coming.
Hugh, what do you use to increase FPS from 30 to 60?
Any recommendation for upscale resolution from 5.7K to 8K?
I want to do play with my Evo 3d footages to check output quality.
May be there is a all-at-one video tool (maybe AI based) which increases FPS, resolution and quality significantly?
Try Topaz Video AI. It's a fantastic tool
Any chance you can see if TECH VR live-streaming still works? It keeps crashing on my headset after about 30 sec of launching even when not live streaming
What do you use? Pico stream?
@@hughhouI use TECHE VR app on PICO 4 that was loaded by TECHE staff. I have international non-China PICO 4 and there was an update that stops the app if not downloaded from official store 😭 Do you u know if there are any other apps for PICO or Quest that support SRT streams?
So exciting for Canon V series. Under $1000. I have been waiting for a both 360&180 camera for years since Vuze XR was canceled. YES!🤩
Hope it could be 4K per eye with HDR.
If this canon V camers released with an under $1000 tag, this would be the market changer. I can't believe that.
I hope it makes it to market and they have the software to make it user friendly.
@@Insomn It's been a year and no news :(
Can’t wait for #canon #consumer #vr180 camera 😅🎉
It's an otherwise awesome camera, but the on-board microphones - or rather the on-board A/D converter connected to those microphones, is a letdown. It sounds like its internal sample rate is only 16000 Hz, so you get a muddy sound with no frequencies above 8 kHz. So, if you get this camera, you will need to use an external USB microphone / audio device with it. I really hope they can up the sample rate to 48 000 with a firmware update (so that it's not a hardwired limitation).
Wait did you hear my sample? It sounds like 48Khz - it is way better than even Canon.
@Hugh Hou I heard the sample. No fan noise = good. But it lacks high frequencies and sounds muffled (also it is very quiet so you need to gain it up a lot). If you look at onboard recordings of the 3D180VR in a spectrogram you can see there is barely any signal above 8000 Hz. The audio is encoded into the video as 48k but the internal sample rate of the onboard A/D converter seems to be only 16k.
I have made recordings with my own 3D180VR as well, same problem. You need to use an external USB mic with the 3D180VR to get good sound. Also the USB audio adapter that comes with 3D180VR only records in mono (you get 2 channels but there is no stereo difference) so you need to use something else as a USB Interface to record stereo from a camera mic. A Zoom H1 works well for this, you can set it to USB Interface mode and then you can plug a 3.5mm stereo camera mic to its input.
Insta360 One RS has the same issue. Low internal sample rate -> muddy sound.
@@hughhou A sure-fire way to test the frequency response of mics and A/D converters is to jingle a bunch of (metal) keys near the microphones. Metal emits very high frequencies so you can clearly hear if they end up missing in the resulting recording. If you test that, then compared to what you hear with your own ears, the 3D180VR on-board recording sounds like underwater.
@@hughhou The latest firmware update 0.1.16 now fixes the on-board mic sound quality issue. It was a matter of sample rate on the A/D converter. The frequency response used to go only up to 8k, now it goes up to 17k.
Maybe you already had that update since you had an early beta of the firmware?
I really want to learn to film in 3D vr but it is so difficult to find a good device that will do that
This video will help :)
Can this do 60fps in lower resolution like 7k or 6k? I want to get this but the 30fps sucks in my opinion and I would rather do a smaller resolution with it if I can at least shoot in 60fps? Thanks
No. It is the sensor limitation of the 1" - Teche now told me they are consider 60fps in like 6K ... but might be some AI involve and take some time to finish the development. Just like Teche 360Anywhere - they are pretty good at updating features but pretty slow on that.
@Hugh Hou it's a shame, I hate these new cameras flashing up to 8k resolutions but with crap 30fps, at least the fmduo claims 12k but offer 8k 60fps which is more than enough, no reason this camera should give us 60fps at lower resolution
Thank you. It seems that it is time for the 4th or 5th reincarnation of the stereo image into the life of society. I lived the last three of them. I think humanity will not stop at this and finally we will be able to get the full impression only by using something like Neurolink. Everything develops from simple to complex. However, this is for future generations.
Hello people of the future. 🥰
We'll think this is hot shit for a decade or so, and then 6dof video will make these cameras look black and white by comparsion.
What app are you using on the VR headset to view rhe rtmp livestream from camera ?
11:21 Too smooth; the image is obviously processed as you've subsequently pointed out. I would assume, the "beautify" algorithm is an option than can be turned off, otherwise the camera's not worth the asking price, even if it does negate the requirement of an intermediary PC.
FM cameras are really pricey. Is the dream going to be their most affordable model?
I don't know. I hope not. But FXG camera is always expensive. They are more built for high-end professionals.
Ouch so expensive hoping the new Canon will step up to compete otherwise I'll just get the Apple Vission Pro next year. Its the best bang for your buck and has more uses besides VR180 recording/streaming seen here...
Yes! Good call. Can't wait to get my hand on Vision Pro to test!
I was waiting for the high definition live VR180 camera. But the price is higher than expected..🤣🤣
It would have been better if it was less than $1000 to $2000.. I'm waiting for the Canon VR camera.
This video is really cool, too.
So I just heard (from kickstarter and other viewers not official) CALF is also gonna support VR180 livestream. So that is around $1000 range. Livestream camera is in general more expensive than regular camera so that might be your cheapest bet.
@@hughhou That's right. But it's good that the price is lower than before.
Thank you for the good information.
@@hughhouWhat would you recommend as the best vr live stream 3d cam up to 1500$ ?
I love this camera! Great review. ❤
Thanks for watching!
Like the Teche, but the CALF is a better value.
I think it would be cool to have a wall in my room showing me my yard with a VR camera live stream. That way I could work in VR with virtual monitors with passthrough on to see my room and then have one wall of my room being my front yard. Or like a wall being a friend's house to play videogames with them or playing guitar.
Why 30 FPS when 60 FPS is so important for VR videos?
I don't know. I told them that as well...
I was noticing the framerate when stacked against the other cameras was worse. It cant do 60fps even in non-streaming mode?
I'm giessing that their AI upscaling makes the higher framerate impossible. It's even beautifying your dog and your hardwood floors. It's an AI nightmare. I want to see what the image looks like before all that nonsense. They'd probably be able to crank it to 60fps without it
its only 30 fps unfortunatly, but damn what a package
I know. I do wish there is at least 50fps option
(EDIT) After further review, I have determined that Teche's test footage is just an awkward example to look at but their image is just fine. That is all.
Calf's audio sounds noisier than expected. But Teche's audio is very distant and muted. So I'm wondering which sounds better after the white noise is removed. Can calf support an external mic? I know that Teche can
Hello, can you please share the video you were watching where you found the edges to be uncomfortable? We would like to review it and confirm the effect you mentioned.
@@KO-rf1ol First of all, I'm not a professional and dont own a VR camera yet- just in the market to buy my first one. It was one of the samples from: drive.google.com/drive/folders/17eOzgUow5BughzMYyXejTUBRR_wKuAYa called "8K 3D180VR Sample.mp4", though all the footage there has the same effect while viewing it in DeoVR on an HP Reverb G2. After further review, I think that what I'm seeing is an issue with all 180VR video in general that I've never really noticed until looking at this particularly awkward test footage where you have plates of food in the lower periphery. If I try to look at the chips and salsa on the left, I have to turn my head completely horizontal to see it, same with the pasta on the right. Looking from plate to plate it just becomes very apparent that I have to tilt my head as I turn. But it turns out it's some of the ONLY VR180 footage I have that has details in those uncomfortable viewing angles. But I did find some others after digging through my clips, like Calf's Dog & Cat videos had the same problem because the camera was so close to the linoleum. Its just something I never noticed about this video format I guess. If I weren't looking at the footage with the mindset of checking it's quality, I probably wouldn't have paid any mind to it. I'd just say that it's just something to try to avoid filming in the first place, and it might be a good idea to film a separate scene where the peripherals are further away lest someone think that it's a problem with the camera. Calf has something like 40 different scenes to download for instance, and if the only one they had were the dog & cat scene, I'd probably have raised an eyebrow about that head tilting issue.
This is a general issue of Side by side rig vs circle rig (Pro 2 / Titan / Obsidian Pro). The place you describe is what I mention in the video called stereo death zone - you want to avoid putting anything close there at all cost. It is a design problem. The only way to avoid it is to NOT use VR180 rig which is all side by side.
Lol, I first thought it was a 4 lens, 360 3D camera. Does that even exist? Would be awesome!
3D 360 camera yes! That is what this channel specializing in lol. Here you go: ruclips.net/video/xyCT84MqKy0/видео.html
@@hughhouYou read over the "4 lens". Never saw one with 4 lenses ... is there any?
No, you need more than 4 lenses to do proper 3d 360. Vuze has 8 and had bad stitching problems. You can use six lenses if they are good quality.
@@JFreshInEffect Ahh I understand, thank you! :)
I really think any live stream is a tiny slice of the market. Its great that there are products that do this, but why on earth do we have no options for the 99.9% of people on earth. Nobody live streams, but we get that camera first? Why? HMD users are growing like mad, so all this should eventually be useful, but not now. We need the normal affordable cams. Hopefully, the canon can change things. Insta360 stopped the "modular" system with no 3d ability, which was a surprise.
Yes we all hope Canon to cover this market.
I believe this is directly targeting porn creators. Those are the only streaming 180SBS vr.
Fully agree with you that we need affordable cams.
what does 8k 3d vr180 ?is that meaning 8k or 4k per an eye ?
4K per eye
Once Apple comes out with the thier VR headset, they will push the market of 180 3d VR to the next level, we can finally stream what we actual see in events like weddings, or even life sports.
We really hope so!
18k sounds sweet but we run into IPD problems
What 18K?
@@hughhouOh the spherical camera system you talked about last. Two of them together would be the best immersive video camera system ever but then the IPD would be too wide due to the physical limitations.
Hey Hugh, any idea if the smoothing thats going on in the video can be adjusted? This camera meets a lot of our needs but the smoothing is... Really bad.
A camera firmware update shortly will add smoothness adjustments.
i want to watch uncompressed video from that camera
Uncompressed VR180 video is coming don't worry. Editing it still but I have a remote paid gig coming so I might need to come back to it when I get back in a week. Thank you for being patient :)
With the ever climbing pricetags to get into the world of VR, this tech is gonna have such a limited appeal.
That's true :( Well we hope Canon can bring the price down on their new release.
Agreed. The consumer level market has been discontinued it seems. I guess we will have to build our own rigs. It would be great to get a guide to do that using different cameras.
@@kamenwaticlients I'm only in the vr world sideways and don't keep track of it at all. Hearing you say the consumer market has no option after all the "not selling" stories I've read, leads me to believe Apple and anyone else trying this stuff has really missed the mark about the market. The money is in the consumer markets, as the Iphone proves. What's the point of a product that serves no needed function and has a high price tag. That's about as "toy for the rich" as it gets.
You have literally no idea what you're talking about, 4 years ago all we had was things like a index, $1,000 to get into vr, now we have the quest 2 for 300$
@@basilaldwin and the demand still remains near 0. But sure, used car price tag, that will surely make all those not customers come running.
Peace be with you☺ Thank you for this very informative video. You are correct in saying that AR/VR industry has to wait for Apple's VISION PRO. It's clear however that Apple will offer their own solutions supporting 3D photo and video content on their headset. Turning the existing industry on their heads no doubt. Because of Apple's involvement this niche market will become main stream.
Yes, if you watch my Vision Pro review - I leak their professional VR180 camera - maybe only for Apple internal use but the pro market is def there and will be drive by Apple. Not sure Apple is a camera company tho so they are going to work with someone eventually.
While no one knows exactly what Apple has in store, I believe that Apple might “Repurpose” their products - iPhone, iMovie, Final Cut Pro - to support their VISION PRO headset. Whether Apple creates in-house software applications, Modifies Current Applications or buys outright existing companies such as POLYCAM - POLYCAM 3D Scanner LIDAR 360 iOS app - in order that content creation is easily accessible to everyone.
@@hughhou I'd say apple is a camera company. An iphone is just a digital camera with extra software after all. Besides, you remember the isight? Lol
I got some videos and photos from friends' camera. 1. Synchronization problems. The cameras run in variable bit rate and are synchronized every second. This has large asynchronous frames and an irregular motion sequence that does not resolve itself even with Optical Flow at 60fps. Photos are a frame of video saved out of sync. 2. Fixed F1.8 always has burned out sun. No ND filter to increase exposure times due to stroboscopic effect at 30fps. 3. Noise reduction destroys too much detail. Data rate 100MBit/s would turn details and noise into artefacts. Conclusion: ok for indoor live streaming, useless for hobby videos. Sync issues and f1.8 issues are not correctable in the post process. Photos with high probability synchronously. Try it on a screen with a stopwatch with milliseconds. The built-in microphones are almost useless. For the price of the camera and the manufacturer's brand, the camera is a joke.
I believe the sync issue is a firmware thing. I don't notice sync issue. F1.8 is an issue and ND will be nice. I notice the same thing and you can see my outdoor sample here suffer the same issue. Noise reduction is my biggest pick on the camera and I am 1000% agree with you on that. I really hope enough PRO giving them feedback that can fix it. I believe this is a 100% firmware issue and can be easily solve. They design the camera for livestream first so "girl" influencers need beautify filter (btw, standard in any Chinese camera - people need to look airblush finished). They have that built in instead of a feature we can choose to turn and off. Again appreciate your comment here as always!
There's one more new VR180 camera coming from KanDao, let's see how these will line up!
any info online about it? its video specs?
Ahahah at 11:05 my girl will kill me if i will share this foto )))
Lol! It is funny. she will find it funny I hope.
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If I was working on Calf, which launches on KS tomorrow, I'd be feeling pretty sad right now! Still, the price point targets a completely different class of user. What I suspect most folks still don't see when they get hung up on the price of these devices is that when the correct modality is obvious in hindsight, these things will pay for themselves. That is, nobody understood who would want televisions or computers when they were first available. Adult content is indeed one of the most obvious examples, and folks should get over their prudish hangups. However, I believe that will will see more and more examples of people watching sports and concerts in high-resolution VR180 with their friends, in applications like BigScreen or similar. And guess what? If porn is amazing in VR180, real-time devices like this Teche unit might make you question if Google's virtual telepresence machines might be over-engineered. If you could visit your kids before bed on a business trip and have it feel almost real, you might not think all of this is so crazy.
Still, for US$4200 the 30fps thing is a real problem. I suspect that the problem is heat dissipation. My hope is that the MkII will figure out how to do 60/90fps and beyond without melting the case within the next few years.
Did hugh mention how hot it gets? I think the fps problem is that they need time to run their upscaling algos. I think they're trying to pass it off as being higher quality than it is.
@@Insomn that could be a fair takeaway, no doubt. However, there’s a very real direct relationship between realtime stitching and heat dissipation. It’s very likely that it could do the magic a lot faster if overclocked and water-cooled, for example. The real hard limit is the processing horsepower vs power draw of today’s chips. At some point, you will see diminishing returns no matter how much money you throw at it.
Agreed. The killer features of these new breed of VR180 cameras is the internal stitching and streaming. Which definitely leads to the excessive heat. There is always making ones own rig with two normal cameras to avoid heat but the lack of streaming and the post work make it fill a different market then these new cameras.
@@kamenwaticlients I’m a career developer and amateur hardware hacker. I wouldn’t even know where to start creating a hardware video stitching solution. It seems like the sort of thing ~5 people are really great at, because they spent years working on it after studying DSPs at the PhD level… I think it’s a better use of my resources to outsource to the pros on this front.
@@pjforde1978 Yeah let them handle it and we the consumer pester them gently so they can take the hint and develop for us as well as the pro's . I'm going to stick to software post production stitching until I can figure out a way to make the added expense for the pro gear make sense.
I dont think this will do well because of the price and 30fps. The focus on livestreaming screams onlyfans lol, but hey, that's how VHS made it.
Wait that is how the VHS is made?! I have no idea! I love VHS LOL
@@hughhouaha well many say VHS won the battle with Betamax because adult film makers put out a LOT more content on VHS (they preferred VHS) and this was before major movie studios started doing releases on VHS or Betamax. Fact checks do some funny wording to make it sound otherwise, but the adult movie industry launched VHS far ahead of Betamax.
@@MtnXfreeride length of tape.
How the hell do they justify $4k for this?
Perhaps because most of the competition just do not compete? Kandao Obsidian seems to at least try. Insta don't stream and drop out for no reason.
Price is 4 grand? Ok I'm out.
Oh... INSTA360 EVO!!! ONE LOVE!!! And this one its just for pron cam girls ( this is why they are so expensive and why they invested in LIVE streaming in a first place...
That is actually just a Karaoke stream. She is always fully clothed. TikTok will take anything down if it is remotely ...
@@hughhou IS there anyone who can fix the "power on/wifi " motherboards of an insta360 EVO? after market parts..;)
Sorry, but a PC with a 3080 doesn’t even cost $2000.
Okay fair... I did spent $4K for mine but that is when it first released...
只能做直播吗，可以拍照录像不
可以录像也可以直播 - 都可以！不用剪切。
会不会好一点如果我也发布一个中文的视频？
too bad I have no idea what your taking about??
Which you don't get? Sorry I will improve. Feedback will help us grow.
"Eye bags and wrinkles are not easy to look at"....I bet he slept in the couch after she saw the video.
Lol!
lool like made of raspberry pi
How so? Raspberry pi for syncing? How can you tell?
4,255.00 $. LOL
Screen on the side of the lens…what could go wrong? Bad design
the price is the issue. maybe 5 years from now the next gen phones will have these capabilities. Apple then will own the market. shame. evo was a loss. bad motherboard design, and the ignorance of the streaming platforms.
If you saw my Apple Vision Pro video, Apple already has a VR180 camera internally. But it is super super expensive I bet with Apple TV standard...
@@hughhou most likely. the idea of 3dtv will be apples VR killer media for the family. it such a shame it was ignored for 5 years. i have my not working evo on ebay, plus all accessories. if one can fix it its a deal .;) we need a 600 dollar streaming 180vr camera before having to wait for integration into both Samsung and apple top end phones in a few years
Promo>SM 😩
Canon wins.
I'm barely into watching this video and I just want to say, I appreciate original content, yet hearing another "Hey, What's up everybody?" at the start of a video makes me want to throw up. This opening is unoriginal, unnecessary (do you think we are really going to answer?), and feels like insecurity. Skip the BS and get to why we came. Thanks.
Thank you for the feedback. I actually has been doing that for the past 10 years on my channel. But I will come up with something more creative to say :)
@@hughhou I was likely too harsh in my comment, but it expressed what I was feeling at the moment. You are a smart guy and I appreciate your work. Perhaps because I'm older now, I'm not as much into the hype that the younger generation goes for. It doesn't seem like what a calm, intelligent person would do, but perhaps it is, since I don't know you,. Thanks for your response.
P.S. I like the calm, presentation style of Andrew Huberman, but everyone is different. :)