Quiet on Set: Beyond Dan Schneider
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- Опубликовано: 10 апр 2024
- Quiet on Set details the abusive environment and sexualization of minors that former Nickelodeon showrunner, Dan Schneider was able to get away with for decades. Today, I’m diving into the systems that allow people like Schneider to flourish.
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Quiet on Set: The Dark Side of Kids TV 
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In VeggieTales, Larry slams the door in the face of an IRS agent after allowing a bank robber and a Viking inside in the spirit of Christmas, and I didn’t get it as a kid but now I think it’s hilarious. Jokes aimed at the adults in the audience don’t have to be weird
this was a really good example bc that is 100% hilarious and relatable as an adult
Bluey and Rugrats have a lot of good examples too
@@Bandgazebo Such a good point. I laugh out loud regularly at Bluey, but I have yet to see a joke that wouldn’t be appropriate if the kids understood it, too.
That veggie tales episode is one of my favorite episodes. My kids are grown now and they still talk about it and when it dawned on them. We still sing all the songs too.
Such a good point, I love the goofy jokes like that lol
Thank you for not showing the scenes. A lot of creators have put the suggestive images in the thumbnails and it seems really counterintuitive
my thoughts exactly!
Yesss. This was bugging me.
agreed. just cuz they’re adults now doesn’t mean it’s suddenly not child exploitation
agreed just for the audience CW, but i also Hope that they would have asked the actors if they could use their content in the doc
@@madsfiedler3884 I heard from a couple of those actors that they did not have their permission
As a model who started at 15 years old, I never ever had a teacher on set even before I got my GED. I never was given even an hour to teach myself school work even. I only had a half hour lunch break. That was it. I worked 8-14 hour days. No one is making sure that modeling sets are following the laws for the entertainment industry, at least they’re not in California or New York where I worked often.
The only thing that was ever done for my education while working was that I had to have my school sign off on my work permit and they wouldn’t sign off if I had failing grades in any class. Which is why I eventually got my GED because I didn’t have time to keep up with my school when I was working 8-14 hours days plus commuting an hour or long before and after the shoot. I wasn’t going to be able to work the whole summer if they didn’t sign off on my permit at the end of the school year. I wouldn’t have been able to pay my bills. So I got my GED.
I think it's interesting that we culturally seem to demand child labour in film and television over the idea that we have to suspend our disbelief and allow adult actors to play child roles.
Meanwhile, when I go to the theatre it's pretty common to see adults playing children, and no one complains. In fact, it often speaks to the breadth of skill the actor has.
Great point. You see people making fun of actors playing high schoolers when they’re visibly 30+ years old, but it’s better than the alternative - especially in sexualized shows about teenagers made for adults, like Euphoria.
@@haroldharold9042I’ll take it a step further and say it’s weird to even have hyper sexual depictions of teenagers, even if they’re played by adults. It’s just strange and over the top
@@beep1062for real, euphoria was fucking bonkers and now theres a bunch of middle schoolers running around saying thats what they want like ???
@@haroldharold9042I could enjoy Euphoria so much more if the characters were in their early twenties.
The movie "Little Princess" opens with a little girl getting dressed. I remember as a kid mentioning this scene to my parents because they'd taught me about modesty so I thought it was inappropriate, and they said "oh, it's ok for her to be topless, they're just depicting the culture." I didn't like that answer then, I don't like it now. There was no reason to show a half-naked little girl. Thank you for this call-to-action. Well done.
Amen. It is never okay to show or depict a child getting dressed, or even record a child getting dressed (like in RUclips videos people might record their kids while they are getting ready and a little girl might have only her undershirt tank that little girls wear under their shirts or a little boy shirtless or in a wife beater tank that they wear as an undershirt- I don’t mean to get descriptive but I have seen that in family vlog videos and it’s disturbing). As an aside, modesty is important for all people in my opinion because I think it helps us to find value in all people through their brains and their hearts. Unfortunately, the entertainment world is all about appearances and attracting the attention of others through your appearances, which is very dangerous for children. Especially because young people (30ish and younger usually) are seen as the most attractive (most commonly in Hollywood). So whenever the Hollywood creeps have their chance at casting an even younger 16 year old to star, they are not going to miss an opportunity to show off the “beauty” that young star “has.” Which blurs the lines in other realms of the staff/production member/fellow cast member-to-child star actor relationship much more. So glad Caroline is talking about this.
The Shirley temple one? Did I block this from my brain?
@SaraRankins. "A Little Princess" 1995, rated G, starring Liesel Matthews
@@elizabethwoolston I haven't seen that one
I always watched the 1986 version, with Amelia Shankley. That’s a really good one, if you’re just looking for the story.
Am I wrong for thinking kids who grow up on farms should be protected from dangerous work, too? My cousin once lost the boy she had a huge crush on in middle school because he was overwhelmed by the fumes from a grain silo, fell in, and basically "drowned". I felt so bad for her, and of course for the boy. I'm told this is just the reality of living on a farm, but I don't think it should be. If it can literally kill you - even if you do everything right - then a child shouldn't legally be able to be forced to do it, even by their parents. No one should die at fucking *twelve.*
Amen to that. I grew up in a rural area and every few years a couple kids would die or get horribly injured while detasseling but we all still did it because they would hire as young as 14 when nowhere else would until you were 16.
why would you be wrong for thinking that
@@53MsLulu "what about kids who work on their family farm" is a common 'gotcha' in response to people saying family vlogging is child labor
She mentioned that the best age is when they are at age where they can make decisions
@@metalgearkiteI hate that this is used as an excuse 🙄 (to be clear , I mean I’m on your side) I live in a rural area. I promise you, kids are “working” on family farms from the time they can do the work, which is a lot younger than 12. Probably more like 4-5. BUT GOOD PARENTS don’t give dangerous work to their kids. GOOD PARENTS are letting the little ones pick up eggs, not run equipment. It’s one thing to make allowances for rural areas, it’s another to leave the door open for anyone to do whatever they want.
Many kids I grew up with, including myself, started working at 14 because we wanted money and grew up without much of it. I’m glad we’re allowed to do work that we want to, but we need laws in place to protect those kids who want or need to work. In an ideal world, our parents would provide all we need, but that’s not reality.
I wish there were MORE protections and specific laws for different types of work. Kids should be allowed to be kids at the end of the day, not need to work.
I appreciated how you highlighted how this isn't a "one bad apple in the bunch" problem but a "the tree grows bad apples" problem.
It's interesting to see how Late Millennials and Zoomers who grew up with the products of these systems - the internet, child based programming, social media, RUclips, smart devices - have the loudest voices in dictating that they need ro be regulated. We have seen the effect on our peers and selves and are speaking out for the next generation.
Please do more commentary-- I love how maturely and thoughtfully you discuss really difficult topics. You're such a natural performer and your writing on this video is so frickin good 😊!!
"these laws are in spite of capitalism" SAY IT!!!!!
Yesss I NEED more Caroline Easom commentary!
Yes! More commentary and long form videos
Yes! Definitely need more! This is so well done and you can really tell she put her time in to do this thoughtfully
i am surprised Brooke Shields was not mentioned. She was 10 years old and her mother green lighted her posing topless for Playboy
and when Brooke sued Playboy, SHE LOST
I was wondering the same thing about Brooke Shields, her Mom was a disturbed woman to say the least
She has said herself that it was multiple shoots in which she was fully nude. They may have only ever published her topless, but they had photos of her with nothing at all on!!??!!
And a lot of questionable advertisements
That's disgusting, I never heard of this... How was that not considered straight up child p *? How come she didn't get damages?? Terrible
When I think of kids TV made so adults don’t get bored, I think of clever running gags or hints at more complicated, intertwined backstories, like on Phineas and Ferb. Or I think of how Bluey is more a show about parenting that is designed so kids enjoy it too. There can be two layers without one of them being sexualized. Because adulthood isn’t all about sex. It’s just the lowest hanging fruit, and the tv producers who use sex jokes to draw adult attention are lazy at best.
This
As someone who has watched a lot of kids programming in the last 11 years, there is definitely a way to make shows entertaining for everyone without being inappropriate.
And often they’re not lazy they’re getting their porn and molestation in at work where they have access to kids.
dan povenmire is a saint, ngl
Yes! or if we get into more late elementary/middle-school aged kids (like who Dan Schneider’s audience was) examples like Avatar the Last Airbender and Steven Universe can be beloved by adults bc their second layer is emotional development, covering serious subjects like mental health and war, with care enough that it’s still able to be ingested and enjoyed by children
You can just tell that you were a elementary teacher (meaning you sound well educated and well educated on how young children behave) that truly cares about her students and their lives outside of class. I love watching your videos about protecting children, I fully support it and it feels like you’re saying exactly what is needing to be said but no one is saying it (besides you ofc)
Others are saying it :) Alyson Stoner (of Suite Life of Zack and Cody, Step Up, and Camp Rock) has a wonderful podcast called Dear Hollywood that is all about this topic. She even takes action and delves into solutions and how we (as regular viewers) can help. Christy Carlson Romano (of Kim Possible, Even Stevens, and Cadet Kelly) is also very outspoken about how wrong child acting is and the fact that it’s exploitation. Jennette McCurdy (iCarly, Sam & Cat) talks about her personal experiences in her book I’m Glad My Mom Died. Kim Rhodes touched on the subject in an episode of the podcast Vulnerable. And many other actors have openly talked about their negative experiences as well. If you mean that it’s rare to hear in depth conversation about this from someone who hasn’t witnessed the horrors of acting first hand by working on set, I have to say that I agree. Not saying it’s not out there but I haven’t seen much of that myself. If you mean that no one else is blaming capitalism, I also agree. I respectfully disagree that capitalism is the issue. The greatest factor is human morality. We’re all sinners in need of Jesus. Those people clearly haven’t accepted Christ as their Savior, at least not truly in their hearts. If they did, they would be actively working to overcome those inappropriate ideas and not propagating it. Everyone is going to view it from their own angle. But in any case, collectively, we have all the power. If we simply stop watching and say why we’re stopping and what our demands are, there will be no choice but to simply listen. However, I agree with all the other opinions she shared in the video. (She shared facts too, but facts aren’t something that anyone needs to agree upon. They’re simply factual.)
The two layers can be done in a respectful way - Bluey is a great example. My 6 year old is fascinated, but there's just as much there from an adult perspective. It's something that hints at the adult emotional depth, but that isn't inappropriate for the child audience, or gross.
Comedy and sex aren't the only adults layers. If a child character is going through an experience, a little thought about the adult character perspective can inform acting and directing choices, and make it deeper.
When the side character in Bluey is talking to Chili but she looks into the camera and says "You're doing a great job", she's speaking to the parent audience in a way that isn't inappropriate for the kids watching.
I almost mentioned Bluey as an example of good children’s television. I agree with you. I should have clarified that I was specifically talking about when the second layer is “dirty” jokes.
A big part about your videos that I don’t see mentioned often is how you are putting your career on the line to speak up for these children. When I first started getting your videos suggested and looked at your account you presented yourself as a comedian and actor. Now you are fighting against the industry that could potentially give you that big break, and that is just so brave and so selfless. You know what you’re doing and the effect it could have on your career path (blacklisting etc…) but it’s amazing that you don’t care about that anymore, and are instead changing course to do the right thing. You’re a real hero Caroline!!
I’m still a comedian, actor, and writer and I’d be lying if I said I didn’t want to write and act for TV. But it’s more important to me that I make the content I feel compelled to make. And if that means that I am never on TV and that dream remains unfulfilled that’s okay. It is so fulfilling, potentially more fulfilling than TV ever could be, to let people see the different sides of me. I think part of why so many comedians are unhappy is because we tell ourselves we have to be funny all of the time. It’s been healing to let people see me at my least funny and to get my ideas out. Hollywood is like the lottery, right? It wouldn’t be worth it to not be myself for a chance at winning the lottery.
@@carolineeasom as someone who has a degree in acting and also works with children as well, this is such a great message, and really inspiring to hear! It’s really great that you’ve sort of freed yourself to make what you want to make, and even more important that you’re not boxing yourself in to a certain stereotype! I love both forms of your content, keep it up sister!❤️
It's been amazing to see how this has progressed. It started as a fun comedy sketch about family channels and now that it's garnered this attention, it's turned into an effort to shine a light on how it's not just a joke but a real situation that must be acknowledged. Wonderful work, Caroline
I see some of your comments in other channels I follow and they are always so positive and kind to others. Thank you for making the internet a nicer place. 😊
This is so sweet. Thank YOU for also making the internet a nicer place @turtanic7827
Wholesome thread ❤
Bluey has two layers and has never hurt anyone. Ever.
@@CraftyMagicDollz I mean, the onesie episode has probably caused some ugly crying.
I remember that I found Victorious from Nickelodeon very boring as a kid and not funny at all. Now I realise that I just didn't get the jokes. And looking back the actors all just look so uncomfortable and awkward, because it's part of the innuendos impact
I don't allow my children to watch RUclips videos that have kids performing. I explained to them that the parents are making them do this. Granted my kids are under the age of 10 but I'll still closely watch what they consume on tv.
Thank you for this video. ❤️
You're so real for this. If more parents explained it that industry would die
Ironically enough I’m tutoring kids atm and we average about 3 hours and that’s just w one kid at a time doing all their hw and reviewing for like a quiz or test the next day. The idea that one person could jam all that education into 3 hours for multiple children at different grade levels is actually wild. To add to that Alexa Nikolas has said she wasn’t able to focus on the little schooling they had because they were constantly interrupted by other people on set. A real mess and it’s legal
What age range do you teach? I don’t really think it’s that weird to be able to learn what you need in that time as long as you’re getting some personalized attention. I was homeschooled as a teen and it would only take a couple of hours to get everything done, so I think it more depends on the child learning level. Heck the elementary school I went to only did about 3 hours of actual teaching. We usually had reading hour, gym, recess, lunch, and work on researching and doing projects as our curriculum. We did very little sit down listen to teacher classes compared to everything else we did. Most of the kids thrived that way, but that was partially because we could do the things we liked versus constantly being forced to do things we had no interest in and the program we were in was a privilege and we weren’t treated like prisoners. Once we had research time, we could walk to the school library as long as we asked a teacher, consult the librarian about different resources needed for research, just go there to read for fun, etc. great program wish every school was like that.
@@MA-ir8oc 10-11 year olds. And that was kinda my point. There’s only 1 school teacher per 10 kids when class is in session. That’s not personalized education imo
@@victoria_is I would say 5 probably would be close to personalized, but yeah 10 is too many. My elementary school had multiple grades being taught together so it wasn't odd for 5th graders to help the younger students learn once they mastered a certain skill. Heck they would bus several kids to the middle and high school for them to take math classes at their level. I was not one of them but knew at least 3 that knew calculus by 4th grade.
I was trafficked as a child.... I never watched nickelodeon and didn't see the subtext. ... It taught me this kind of thing is weaved so tightly into the status quo that I was at least desensitized to the trauma by the time i was an adult....
I feel like Dan is the tip of the iceburg. the doc could have pointed to the systematic issues, but it's easier to say it's just Dan that's the bad guy. Don't get me wrong, he is A bad guy, but he is not the ONLY bad guy. It's a system that attracts and protects bad guys.
I am a hobbyist actor, 23 years old, and if I’m trying to pass as much younger, I could look very convincingly 13 years old. There are TONS of young adults who fall into this category that struggle to find work when the opportunity is *right there.*
If you’re struggling to see it, think about the Stranger Things kids right now. They are (now) legal adults and convincingly pass as teenagers. Better yet, think of cartoons. There are incredibly talented adult voice actors working all over the animation industry, and come on man, they are *preferred* because they give better performances.
I believe there is room for discussion on the proposal of working around school schedules. But we need to approach this topic with the total agreement that their personal development as a child comes first, and working conditions need to strictly monitored.
Look at the lead actors from Derry Girls!
"I don't want my page to be a place where you can find them"
You are so thoughtful and well rounded. Thank you for your compassion and maturity with this sensitive topic ♡
I had NO idea the hours were so bad! 4 and a half hours for a 2 year old! That's a regular part time shift for an adult!
Oh let’s go, I’m so happy you made and shared this 💜 thank you Caroline!!
Thank you for the support, Rachel! I appreciate it!
i’m both a creative adult and a survivor of childhood sexual abuse and the ways kids are abused and neglected in hollywood makes me both want to cry and scream. they deserve so much better. they deserve to be paid, they deserve to be protected, they deserve a full education to have opportunities outside of the entertainment industry. they deserve to be valued as full human beings. children are already legally property under our existing laws and it really seems like hollywood kids are somehow treated even worse than that. i want things to change and be better for them. i wish i could scoop all of them up and protect them but i can’t.
we as adults have to not just say with our words that we care about children but actually do things to protect them. as it stands our laws leave children incredibly vulnerable to abuse, harm, and even death at the hands of their caregivers. CPS often doesn’t do enough to actually help children - it doesn’t remove children who need to be removed from abusive households nearly often enough, but it will remove loved and protected children who are simply food insecure, instead of, i don’t know, helping the parent better access food??? and it seems like CPS just is not even part of the discussion when it comes to kids in the entertainment industry.
i don’t want even one more child to have to go through anything like what i did. i don’t want a single child to be afraid of someone who’s supposed to be taking care of them, who’s supposed to protect them, who they depend on to survive. i don’t want even one more child to suffer at all, and especially not for as something as cheap as my personal entertainment. they deserve better. children deserve so much better than they get. adults are supposed to make the world better for each generation that comes next but more often than not we use our power over them to hurt them. i can’t abide by that and nobody else should either.
I’m absolutely elated that we’re getting your perspective on this matter. You are becoming a HUGE voice in protecting vulnerable children. As someone who wants to dedicate their life to helping children without voices, thank you Caroline. You’re doing the lord’s work. Myself, everyone else (and all of these kids) are rooting for you every step of the way. Thank you :)
I think a wonderful and wholesome example of two layer programming that throws something to adults is Bluey and Daniel Tigers Neighborhood. While my child loved it, I also did as well and some episodes brought me to tears, teaching both of us empathy, being better people and for myself how to be a more patient and understanding parent.
More programming should be like that
Daniel Tiger’s Neighbourhood is an offshoot of Mr. Rogers Neighborhood. His good work lives on. 🥰🥰
@@2headedyes!! I grew up on Mr. Rogers and I was able to find a few episodes on streaming to share with my child, well loved by him as well!!
Yes I loved Mr Rogers as a child. I wished he was my father. I am so frustrated that I can’t find it on a streaming service to watch with my 4-year old.
I've also heard that the children who voice on Bluey are even being kept entirely anonymous for sake of having as normal of a childhood as they can manage. I think that's an incredibly considerate step, and I hope the rest of the behind-the-scenes aspects are equally as kind.
@@2headed yes! Loved Mr Rogers neighborhood as a child, I found some episodes on streaming and was able to share those episodes with my child and he loved it
Hey, I watch you quite a bit, very much enjoy and am grateful for all your hard work. But I'm not sure I've ever commented before. I'm a very quiet person, in life and online. But I just want to say, I really respect your work advocating for kids and putting a spotlight on all of this. You're doing a great thing. You should feel proud.
I got a walk on role for a Nicole Kidman movie when I was 18. The costume designer on there was a legend in her field and worked on Meryl Streep films. She was horrible to me. She asked me to starve myself for a few days to lose a few pounds to fit into the dress I had to wear. There's also another way she interacted with me in how I tried on the costume that I can't even bring myself to type out loud. Guess it's time to talk about it in therapy.I was upset and complained about her but for years I thought I was being bratty and "ungrateful" for the opportunity I was given. Thank you for putting that feeling into words. When you are in that position you are less likely to stand up for yourself. And I was technically an adult at the time.
Zenon specifically Zenon 2 has a several suggestive scenes with one of the young girls, upon rewatching I wasn’t shocked but very sad at the realization. Was my top favorite old kids movie
I really appreciate the research you put into these videos. You talk about things in an in-depth yet succinct manner and it's very enjoyable to listen to, despite the upsetting topic. I also love that these types of videos from you aren't super edited and "polished", to me it makes it feel more like a college lecture of sorts.
Thank you! I definitely want this and my last commentary video to be something you can listen to while doing other things, like a podcast. That’s why I haven’t been too worried about the visuals.
I have been frustrated by much of this coverage in the media about Schneider. We are all focusing on him and when he is defending himself, he says execs in Nickelodeon signed off on it. Ok, so who signed off? Well, one of them who is now a big player is Brian Robbins who was a co-actor with him on Head of the Class. Both of them brought a pitch to Nickelodeon and was well received. Schneider went into creative and Robbins went into executive leadership. Robbin’s is now president and CEO of Paramount and Nickelodeon.
I truly appreciate how objective this video is. A lot of true crime and exposé videos on topics like these often feel uncomfortable for me, as they seem more like they’re exploiting the tragedies of others for content and clout rather than acting as a real call for change or for purely informational purposes. I think this video was perfect in that regard, as it pointed out the flaws in this system without further exploiting the awful things these children faced. Thank you so much for this, Caroline!
3:10 There is a line in the first Harry Potter book about Albus Dumbledore's brother Aberforth having once been arrested for "performing inappropriate charms on a goat" - a covert reference to bestiality in a book written for an audience of primary school children. There's a video clip of JK Rowling doing a Q & A session with child fans and one girl, about 8 or 9, asks Rowling what kind of magic Aberforth was performing on the goat - she hadn't understood the precise implication when she read it, because children of that age generally wouldn't, but the vague implication of SOMETHING had clearly stuck in her mind, hence her asking the question. JKR's reaction was to tell her some made-up nonsense with an exaggerated performance of mock embarrassment while all the adults present were cackling and laughing. I was absolutely disgusted with JKR and the adults in that video when I saw it, as well as the editors et al who decided that a joke about raping animals was a fine thing to put into a children's book.
I was a child model, and I wanted to get into acting. I was going to go to my first audition, and it was like an hour away. Since I was 10 years old, that was a long time in the car, and I refused to go. I also quit modeling and started playing soccer.
After "Quiet on Set" came out, I was talking to my mom, and we were both relieved that I never pursued acting. It feels like a bullet dodged because ALOT of child actors end up on Disney or Nickoloden.
Edit- modeling was terrible, too. If you cracked your knuckles, you got hit on the top of your hands with a ruler.
I think Bluey is an excellent example that it is possible to make entertainment for both adults and children without making it inappropriate for either children watching or the children working on it. The voice actor children's identities are also not revealed to the public, to make sure the kids still get to grow up being kids. There is so much to relate to, both as a kid and an adult, and it also helps with healthy solution to a lot of the problems we face in the world.
I love the calm and kind but also completely honest way you talk on this.
My sister told me about this documentary. She and I grew up hard on Nickelodeon. It has shaken us both to the core to realize the shows that fundamentally helped form our senses of humor are the product of abuse. From a former kid who grew up on exploited kids: YES IM WILLING TO SACRIFICE. I was in an abusive marriage for 6 years, I will shout from the mountain tops that adults should never go through this stuff. Of course I think even more of kids. People (yes people!) who didn’t ask to be here and NEED positive influences in order to form their personalities.
My family are educators, hearing what these kids experience as “education” is abhorrent to us. My parents have been hurt because they never would have given us Nickelodeon had they known it was being fueled by abusers.
Thank you Caroline for continuing to shine a light. It is fundamental that, instead of feeling ashamed that we ever supported this, we get inspired and fired up to stop it. Change happens when people do not shy away from the hard stuff. ❤
At this point, I don't believe children should be in acting. The system is too rotten for any safeguards to be effective.
"But what about---"
Truly, I do not care. We can live without having live action media with child characters. Will it be weird? Yes. But that weirdness is a minuscule price to pay to keep children safe. There's also always still animation, where child characters can easily be played by adult voice actors.
the lack of attention the nickelodeon executives got in the documentary is so hard to stomach, for me
As a teaching assistant seeing the effects of kids reflecting the behaviour of their favourite youtubers and family channels, thank you so much for bringing these issues to the forefront of your channel.
I found your content via your comedy skits, and now I'm subscribed because of your ability to both mock the content and also disect it. Brilliant stuff ❤️
clicked on this to see if it was ASMR because i needed a non asmr video for background noise lol. ended up watching the entire video, and i’m glad i did. thanks for making this, Caroline. i learned a lot and i really appreciate you taking the time to sort through this really uncomfortable media in order to get this info all in one place.
I love how people are talking more about child exploitation, it needs more awareness. Thank you for covering these types of topics.
i appreciate you bringing more light to this. so much going on behind the scenes that shouldn’t ever happen again
Thank you for continuing to speak on this. I'm so tired of educating people on the harms of putting kids on tv and online and getting legit backlash
Ok comrade Caroline!! We need more commentary videos 👏🏻
Genuinely had to skip ahead when you talked about that 50s show because just the description made me sick. Such a poignant video, so well spoken and put together.
I am a teacher, I see kids about 10 to 15 every day. These kids can't make their own desicions yet. As adults we should see these children on family channels and want to protect them. That is what we adults are there for and what their parents should do.
People like you are what makes me hopeful for the future of child actors and children on youtube. We need to protect them. They deserve to be kids for as long as possible.
Please watch some Disney shows too, it’s not just Nickelodeon. I want to write a kids show one day so I check into Disneys shows every 6 months or so to see what’s new. And I saw this commercial for Bunk’d where the blonde girl was dumped with ungodly amounts of grey goo that was shot on her face and body with a machine. It was crazy and I just had my jaw drop… they kept showing that stupid commercial all day and it made me feel so sorry for that girl. Makes me feel so angry - “prep these kids while they’re young so they can be creeps just like you Dan (and every other guy like him)”
I HATE Bunk’d. The Camp Leader/owner character was a “lonely, desperate, spinster” type who was always looking for young guys, it seems. In one episode, she basically said she had a young man trapped in her basement. Mentioned needing to go buy duct tape and rope. He escaped later in the episode. (Not shown- she just ran around looking for him.) It was all played for laughs. Horrible show.
This message is so incredibly important. *YOU* are doing an incredible thing by really breaking down what these family channels are like. What child abuse can look like and how to help stop the injustice done to these kids.
I have been telling people for YEARS about these kinds of things and I was always told I worry too much or that “Those things don’t happen here” except for a few things like:
1. They absolutely happen everywhere in the world, your economical placement does not give your kids some kind of invisible protection.
2. They are on the internet so you have allowed the *ENTIRE* earth’s population the chance to view the content.
3. You’re child is not your property that you can exploit and put in danger just because you want money and attention.
There are hundreds more examples. Thank you for sharing this insanely important topic in a way that the children who may be suffering like that to actually learn what is happening and to give the children a voice so maybe the parents will finally listen and protect them instead of exploiting them.
I cannot like this comment enough👑
I like that you mentioned the need for "adult jokes" to pacify the parents in the audience. I think it's possible to make adult jokes in kids' entertainment, so long as they're not dirty. For example, I grew up on VeggieTales and there were jokes that only adults would understand, but they weren't explicit.
For example, they'd make jokes at the IRS' expense; they make fun of lawyers; in an episode where a character cross-dresses, he expresses concern the company will get lots of unhappy letters; among others I cannot remember now. Adult jokes shouldn't be explicit in children's content, and we should be mindful of which jokes are told by which characters. Suggestive jokes shouldn't come out of a minor's mouth, like how one character from Victorious mentioned she went from "A's to D's" in 8th grade. Even as an 11-year-old, I was shocked that joke was green lit for a kids'' show.
“consistently and insistently ask for children’s protections”
My grown daughters and I stumbled down a gross rabbit hole one day, and witnessed the horror of Shirley Temple and other children pretending to be babies, in a film. I hadn't heard of it before, but it made us so uncomfortable. So many scenes with sexually provocative/adult poses/story lines/costumes or stuff that just seemed cruel, like child falling over hard and genuinely crying. It sticks in my mind unfortunately, as I'm sure many folks thought it cute back then, maybe even still now, but I don't see it that way. 😢
Edit-oops, thanks for reminding me of the title. Glad you mentioned it.
As a parent, sexual humour in kid's programmes is so bad. There's the obvious Captain Pugwash with Master Bates and Seaman Stains from my childhood..... But also the Hoobs, Big Cook, little cook from my daughters', that stood out as being completely unnecessary in their humour. Thank you for raising these points
I think u mean Shirley Temple and other little ones actually were babies at 2 and 3 yrs old pretending to be adults-specifically adult hookers and Johns. Not pretending to be babies.
Ex-childstar Alyson Stoner did a great docuseries on YT on this same topic for anyone who is interested. I honestly think a collab with Caroline and Alyson would be amazing.
You’re great at commentary. Love how you’re using your platform to talk about this ❤❤
I want to share a short story: We intentionally avoid seeing one of my family members, and when he is around, my daughters don’t leave my sight for a moment. He was invited to come say goodbye when my grandpa was dying. He went out of his way to tell me that my oldest daughter should model because she was so beautiful (she was five at the time). I almost threw up, and I removed she and I from the room. She is beautiful, but imagine that creep multiplied by thousands. Even if the production studio was 100% ethical in their handling minors, it’s really hard to ethically expose children to the public on that level.
Thank you for sharing ❤️
I was older than your daughter, but I always felt uncomfortable around a certain uncle of mine, when I was in my early double digits I think 12-13, my family all gets together for 2 holidays a year thanksgiving and Christmas Eve, my uncle sat next to me on the couch and not only placed his hand on my upper thigh but started drawing circles. My grandpa saw him and noticed I was uncomfortable and trying to move away and he kept following me, uncle left with a black eye grandpa had to ice his hand never had a problem again when grandpa was around
@@croshaide3168I’m sorry that happened to you, but I’m glad your grandpa stood up for you when he saw something happening. I think we’d see that happen a lot less if the adults responded better to those situations. The guy (also my uncle) was never allowed to hurt me, but he was a known predator. My dad hated him for what he’d done to many of the victims that he knew and loved, and he and my mom were vigilant with me and my cousins. We have cut that situation off completely since my grandfather passed away.
100% on board with this video. The only thing I would argue as someone who worked in the school system is that 3 hours is enough (if the education is of quality obviously) and children of different ages learning together can be so great for many reasons. Unfortunately, I have heard plenty of former child actors say that the schooling on set was purely for the record and didn’t require them to actually learn.
I only discovered this channel recently, but Caroline has quickly become both the author of the most engaging and informative commentary about these topics on the platform AND my go-to place for ASMR.
it’s nice to see anyone advocating for children like this, but especially knowing that caroline doesn’t want children of her own and still cares this much is incredibly refreshing
16:34 lmao Caroline silencing that car with the pure power of her righteous gaze
Jesus man. I feel like a 4 hour work day would be exhausting for me as a (albeit, disabled) adult, but 6 months old?!
Your words make such an impact. I was so excited to hear you speak about this. Thank you for using your voice. ♡
Much much respect to not including the footage from the shows. Those creators have already made millions off of the child exploitation, and I appreciate your integrity and your dedication to not exploiting them further.
Thank you for being a voice for the voiceless.
This is so good, and it's not a take that I've seen enough of or nearly so in-depth as you've gone. Thank you so much for this!
Was the orange tones intentional
Can you explain?
@@Wooo13 She has orange mic cover, orange sweater, and oragne highlights around her eyes. Quiet on Set is mainly about what happened on the Nickelodeon set and the logo for nickelodeon is famously orange.
As a british person, this is actually crazy to me
In the uk (not sure about the film industry) but you can work from roughly 13/14 however that means not working during school hours and at a maximum of 2 hours per day
America sounds crazy tbh
And most people won't hire you until you're finish year 11 and are 16 anyway
For most industries in the US, it’s the same way. Even though they allow agriculture workers to be 12, the work isn’t allowed to interfere with their school. The entertainment industry is the only industry in the US that allows children to work in lieu of school. I’d be curious about the laws for child actors there.
I've watched quite a few videos on this subject, and all of them seem so sensationalised and disrespectful to the real life children who were/are being abused by this industry - it's so disgusting, yk? Because not only have these kids been abused and exploited, but their trauma is then being used and circulated for the sake of true crime bs and clout, but from the way you talk and present all your points without circulating footage and images of these kids, it's so obvious how much you genuinely care and I really appreciate that, the kind of respect you made this video with is the kind that every person talking about this should have
This is incredible. Thank you so much. So much information.. had no idea about all of these child labour laws at such ages. Thank you for sharing such important knowledge with us
i just wanted to say thank you. i personally can’t bring myself to watch the doc series so thank you again. even as a kid watching nickelodeon I always felt weird because everybody was a child and it was so weird that it was just kids and I always felt uncomfortable watching shows with live action children i didn’t know why i always had feelings of uncertainty when watching these shows and now i’m glad this is being brought to light because kids should just be kids
"We need to start making it weird." YES! Such good points, Caroline. I feel like I just watched you defend a dissertation on this subject. There needs to be more research about this, especially since we're in a YT age like you mentioned.
I love these commentary videos! As well as the ASMR ones and other comedic ones. You're really thoughtful and well-spoken.
I love your short sketches, but this long-form commentary is great too! I love how you’re branching out. great video!
This is one of the best takes I've seen on Quiet on set. Thank you for moving the conversation forward to discuss the inherit problems in the system and solutions for the next generation.
I love that you are bringing these issues out in the open and can only hope that you and the people like you create the change absolutely needed to protect these kids
As someone who is in school right now to become someone in the film industry, I agree that these issues are super important and serious. I think it’s really difficult to impossible for kids to consent towards participating in fiction, and especially non-fiction films. I think that to a certain degree parents shouldn’t be allowed to consent in their kids behalf without some kind of person on set making sure kids understand exactly what is being asked of them, and are okay with it. Like, why should someone else be able to consent to something that isn’t happening to them but to someone else? Even if the other person is a child.
Caroline, I really do believe your passion and advocacy will change minds. People will click onto your fun and silly skits and realize the truth behind the comedy. They'll view this video and your other masterpiece on family content. I'm really a major admirer of yours, and I'm so glad you're able and will continue to speak about such important topics with your channel. You're easily one of the most important content creators I subscribe to. Thank you for your efforts.
Former child star here (not someone you would've heard of I just got commercials mostly, back in the oldendays of the 90's. I'm the same age as the Olsen Twins)
All I can say is yes.
I LOVE the quote of "well we need to start making it weird" I've always thought that. Like,,, even if it was normal then, it shouldn't have been?? and it sure as hell should not be normal now
Words can’t sxpress how much I appreciate you and your strength and love to advocate for those who have been silenced. Thank you Caroline, I hope you know that you make a difference. You matter and what you do matters and thank you, from an educator in Ontario Canada, you are doing important work and thank you 💕
Have you watched "A better schedule for Nickelodeon's main block" by Evan Rosman? It can save Nickelodeon.
Thank you for not showing images/videos of the examples you talk about!
You are proving that commentators/documentaries can make the point without putting MORE of the abuse out there in the world. 💚
This is just an example on how twisted and crule the entertainment industry is on kids. Whats even more scary, is how this happens to kids in jobs with less payments and notice. I'm not diminishing the shild actor's abuse, but just notice how even more difficult it must be for kids who don't get the chance to work in an environment that has some kind of notice now. Now child actor's will finally get more advocating, but perhaps one day children who work in other environment will get a chance too. It's interesting how people want to protect kids now a day, but they just do it for thier own gain, i hope you guys know what I'm talking about, so seeing people like this trying to actually protect kids from real situation makes me feel like thiers still hope in this world. This video is really amazing by showing and analyzing all this problems and how we can solve them head-on.
Thank you so much for bringing awareness to these issues, Caroline. You are so amazing and I am so grateful to see someone with an influence that is using their platform in a meaningful way. Please never change, we love you so much! ❤
i love how you go about making videos on important topics like this. thank you for speaking about this.
just because we got one doesn't mean the whole problem is gone. it sucks to see people focusing on just one person when it's clearly systemic :( I wish child actors didn't exist & 30 yos played child roles instead, no joke
My uncle is a recently retired photographer who worked at ABC, Universal Studios and Disney, we was creepy and aggressive with me as a child not blood related but father to my cousins. I know he traveled a LOT his whole career and loves bragging about his closeness to fame. I don’t want to share the way he treated and spoke to me as a kid but I’ll say he is a tall lanky creepy man just to look at and he was okay with reprimanding children he set up. He feeds off the control of others and still controls my blood aunt who hasn’t worked since she met him. Lives a lavish life. I don’t resent them I think they are sinners.
i don’t have any smart comments to add right now but i would like to say thank you for making this amazing content, for having passion on such an important topic and sharing it. ❤
Thank you for this video. Raising awareness on an issue that most people probably haven’t considered before and done in a very clear, logical manner.
I really appreciate the way you explain things, you do a lot of research on the topic your covering, and you able to shine a lot of light on serious and important topics that a lot of people don’t know about. You could do rlly well on a podcast, I know this is a serious video but seriously your doing great
Seriously THANK YOU for talking about this and discussing this further! Upon watching the doc, I thought the framing was very lenient towards the studio and execs that employed Dan Schneider.
Also side note - you have such a lovely voice!
Massive W tbh , using your platform to not only entertain but to also inform is very much appreciated. I already knew Schneider was a scummy creep, but I didnt know about the rest of how the industry works
I was hoping you’d make a video about this !! You explain things so well and this is such an important topic ❤
This was a fantastic video and really well articulated. Thank you for using your platform to speak up on this issue!
I really appreciate the approach here, talking about the teaching stuff that you clearly have a ton of knowledge about, and leaving out the footage of people who were minors at the time. I feel like this is a really great video that informs, and not another rehash of the documentary.
Running in* "I'm here, I'm here"
Thank you for speaking out for children everywhere in your content. I have a huge respect for you as a parent myself❤❤❤ keep doing you!!!
its interesting living in the shadow of Hollywood, its seen as an ECONOMIC BOON to give birth to TWINS because (as per the recruiters at the HOSPITAL) they can RAKE IT IN and basically pay for their own DIAPERS for their whole infancy, or a whole new CAR. I learned this from my teacher in HS who had had two twins, worked all four and very much recommended it, as its basically her making the money she lost during maternity leave, and got her a new car the second time. letting babies work is seen as basically some of the best money you can make in the suburbs of LA.
and i say it's interesting and i find it important to bring up BECAUSE these same people would probably NOT go on to recommend letting their kids do more acting. its basically seen as good money BECAUSE the baby acting is LESS harmful and more on the parent (usually mom) to actually just exist on set with their babies. and obviously recent pregnancy leaves people VERY economically needy, no MATTER what wealth they typically have.
Bluey is a great example of having a child friendly show that doesn't (as far as we can tell) exploit children in the production (of course there are the voice actors, but Australian regulations seem much better than the Hollywood standards) and the jokes for the adults are always things that are appropriate for children if you explained the joke to them. I.e. the kinds of jokes parents would make together infront of their choldren even if the children dont get it. Jokes about redecorating, the lawn, what football team you support and grandma being old fashioned.
They also don't release the names of who does Bluey and Bingos voice as far as I've seen
Yes, Bluey's child voice actors are anonymous and I think that's great
@@LaughingRachel1It's legal not to credit actors in Australia?
@@mykaruest3620 Probably with the consent of their parents or something. Here's a quote from a screenrant article
"The names of the actors that voice Bingo and Bluey has remained strictly confidential ever since the show began, as Bluey prioritizes the protection of its young talent. The identities of the two voice actors are not disclosed anywhere, even in the credits of each episode. This is due to the fact that the show has purposely chosen not to credit child actors in the series in order to protect their privacy."
And dont think women are safe or even having to use an alias. That poor young boy from terminator who was totally preyed upon by his teacher 😢
Thank you for being a light in this world and helping to spread awareness. We all need more people like you. ❤
34:32 you can also make "adult" jokes which are not sexualising children.
Which may or not be a spicy, because adults are propably also playing in some series I guess.
Being too tired to do anything would propably relatable to some parents.
But also other stuff.
I'm not involved in this area, but I could think of many things that wouldn't be inappropriate but still more understandable by the adults.
loved this! incredibly informative, please keep up these videos.