To be honest, with Pierro being confirmed as the Director, the order of the Harbingers makes more sense. I mean, it's likely that Capitano is the actual no. 1 and Arlecchino is no. 4. Remember how Childe says in his voiceline about Capitano that he is ranked too low for the Captain to notice him. And both Childe and Scaramouche speak of Arlecchino as having no sane bone in her body and that under her graceful facade there is her true, crazy face. It wouldn't really be fitting for Arlecchino to be no. 10 since she turns orphans into soldiers ://
Yeah, she literally controlled over the whole orphanage in a huge nation and take down those who betrayed the fatui. That kind of authority should be passed to someone with a high ranking.
I want arlecchino to be ranked higher than no. 10 too but after signora's death, some fatuis she raised, whatever said somethign like they could take that opportunity to raise Arlecchino up the rankings.
What do you mean it doesn't suit her to be no.10, Childe is literally stronger than scara and signora specially with his abyss power but he's 11th, Even npc's says that they want to raise arlecchino's rank after signora's death. You also said it that she turn orphans to soldier she's a manipulative person its either because she's weak that's why she manipulates people and rather use her brain than her own strenght and Capitano being no.1 is the most bs thing to happen because the first 3 harbinger's are not a human, Pierro is confirmed as someone from Khaenriah 500 years ago meaning he has abyss powers like dainsleif, Dottore strength is not revealed but base on his experimentation he's already an strong immortal too either thats he himself or his prosthesis, and Columbina is a rumored character that from a seelie race, while capitano is just the humanity's strongest. Childe wants to fight capitano but even childe is scared of columbina.
@@Yunnnnnnn1229 Childe being stronger than Signora is debatable but he defo ain't stronger than Scara and like I said above they wanted to increase and quote "her prestige" not rank and I don't see why Capitano being number one is bs
For those confused, Pierro has actually NOT been confirmed as the first Harbinger. It has been stated however that he WAS the first of the Harbingers, but now is their Leader/Director, as confirmed in the description for A Winter Night’s Lazzo. He has been described as “The First Fatuus” as well, though this just references that he founded the Fatui alongside the Tsaritsa.
Wait, the thing that still bother till this day are 11 Fatui's constellations. We can probably see that Pierro's constellation is the Sad Clown constellations that still among the 11. If Pierro is indeed not a Harbinger anymore, just a director then why he is still among 11? Also about missing or mysterious 10th. Should Childe or Scaramouce already talked about him/her in their voice lines? Unless, him/her was erasing themselves in the past like Scaramouce did though. The Winter Night Lazzo's trailer also stated this in the video description: "No one knows how long it has been since all the Fatui Harbingers last gathered.." Furthermore, In this trailer Pierro also using "we" like "the sages think themselves to be all knowing, but WE alone are wise to the virtue to those who acts in folly.." and "..in the name of her Majesty, The Tsaritsa, WE will seize authority from the gods.." This is probably just me but Pierro seems to keep including himself among Fatui Harbingers.
@@SiliconOneFour Diluc hates the Knights and who is a knight? Kaeya Diluc hates the fatui and who else might be one? Kaeya Remember, kaeya is from khaenriah and he should also take revenge So it's very likely kaeya is the 10th harbinger I didn't watch the video, idk if you already talked about it
Alice came to my mind as well, but I think if she were a Harbinger, Venti would know and would have told us, so I would think it would be another Descender.
I had this idea that the 10th seat was for a Harbinger that was exiled for what they did the Fatui deemed "Heretical" for them and goes against what they are doing. The Harbinger then fled and all mentions of them were removed, and anyone who mentions their name will be punished, leaving only their symbol behind as a reminder of their failures. I hope my idea of it is true and hopefully we can see a more personalized side of the Fatui that isn't blinded by loyality.
What if it’s the same case with Scaramouche? After he got erased the 6th seat remains vacant for “years”, what if the reason no one mentions the 10th is because all memories and records were erased as well
if you listen to fischl theme , it's the same as the fatui harbingers themes so maybe either the real princess fischl is the 10th harbinger (and likley also a descender) or it's also likely that amy/fischl could be one in secret, she does already possess a pretty big delusion and we know she is one of the best investigator of the adventurers guild
Knowing how stories can hold truth, I do think the real Princess Fischl is a candidate for a descender. But I think we’ve seen that Flowers for Princess Fischl has an author, so it’s a bit unclear.
@@wolfkitty42 It's still a bit odd how these so called fantasy stories supposedly made by citizens hold truth of the past in them. You have to keep in mind that Nahida only did what she did because she was aware of the possibility that scaramouche will succeed in his plan. The average citizens of teyvat do not, and their memories about such things should be absolutely zero. Mr.Nine, the author of "Flowers for Princess Fischl", is also the author of another book called "The Shattered Halberd", which tells about the **archon war** and **the primordial one** . Keep in mind we don't know of any NPC who could be Mr.Nine. He's veryyyy sus so I think it might be the Oz of the real Fischl. EDIT: or he's the regrator, who wants to both make money and plant a seed into the people teyvat's heads. [I'm only saying this because there's multiple things pointing to Mr Nine being from Liyue]
I was thinking that the Flowers for Princess Fischl might be a fairy tale backup of the Abyss Twin's personal journey, with Oz being the stand in for Dainsleif.
What if Diluc's father, Crepus was the 10th harbinger, "the one who betrayed" the Tsaritsa and was later killed by Dottore or the Fatui as we saw in the manga. He also had a delusion which was later passed on to Diluc, certainly a possibility 🤔
I think this is quite likely honestly. Or at least that Crepus was a fatui member that betrayed the organization, even if he wasn’t a harbinger. Otherwise there would have been no way for him to get a delusion. They didn’t start mass-producing them until the delusion factory in Inazuma. And even then delusions are still VERY rare in the world. Plus it seems like Dottore made Ursa the drake attack dawn winery on purpose. And what other reason would he have to do that than to silence a defecting spy? Crepus clearly knew something.
I really feel like the 10th seat was occupied by someone who is aligned with Irmisul (someone like Scaramouche) because having a 10th empty spot without anyone mentioning it or not showing up in the lazzo trailer feels pretty sus.
For those who play Honkai: The 10th harbinger could be a Seele xp (fitting if the Tsaritsa is a Bronya xp). And the reason she's missing could be that she got lost in thr abyss (we know the fatui harbingers use to go there to fight the abyss itself), the same way Seele got lost in the Sea of Quanta
When you described the ‘Figaro’ version of Brighella it reminded me of Kaeya so much. His fake smile, always seemingly calm in any situation, he’s pretty cynical in general I’d say and hiding his Khaenria’hn heritage (hiding behind a mask). Also the theory that he and Pierro are blood related. He could definitely be a secret harbinger.
@@Disorder2312 The man is always performing. It’s written in his talent set: Never Ending Performance. It’s also a pretty common trope for the ice prince with Steppford smile to be an absolute secret power house when they finally drop the act. And Kaeya dresses very much like a proper Fatuus with his theatric, over the top garb. He has the Rennaisance-esque tights, the extravagant layers of impractical decoration (vest, belts, jewelry, that BOA), the way his clothes block themselves into elongated diamond/star shapes (even if it is everywhere in the game and atteibuted to Khaenri’ah) is similar to the flashier Commedia characters (like the Harlequin’s diamond pattern motif), and his overall design is like a more youthful and light version of the Jester. It would not surprise me if he was supposed to be the Jester’s heir even if they aren’t related by blood and that’s why the crying mask (the face behind Kaeya’s smiling mask) is still on the Harbinger roster. Because the Jester has an understudy. (All a spur of the moment musing. I’m growing more fond of Fatui Kaeya by the hour!)
@@mythogenesis4788 Idk, just Childe's Foul Legacy transformation still remains pretty strong. What Kaeya can possibly do to rival that? You never even explain the point i have said. I can't imagine how would he be more powerful, i did not argue that he's not suitable for the 10th harbinger by other means.
@@Disorder2312 I mean, that “hidden power house” WAS the explanation. Add in that strength doesn’t necissarily mean might (i.e. Pantalone bejng considered weak, but is higher ranking because of his commercial strength or Pulcinella’s political strength). When I analyze story, I look at it from the perspective of a story-teller and designer. I look at tropes (MHY loves to twist them!) I look at allegory (gotta find those windblooms!) and I look at design intent (in a game full of incredibly unique designs, what motifs do we see shared between characters, and why is that?) What is the message the developers are trying to tell us? What are the connections hidden in plain sight? MHY is VERY good at telling multiple stories simultaneously and tying them together near seamlessly. Did you really think that Childe had such an ace up his sleeve when he first appeared at your rescue- until you fought him for the first time and he had not one, not two, but THREE boss phases with each serving as an escalation of power and transformation of character? He was a capable, but fairly non-threatening big brother type when we first met him. And Kaeya is confirmed Khaenri’ahn nobility. He HAS to have some inherent or learned magical abilities. If Childe got Foul Legacy from three months in the abyss as a kid, what did Kaeya, someone likely BORN in the abyss pick up from it? We’ve seen lectors and heralds transform from human to monster. We’ve seen the shadowy husks. We’ve seen abyss tainted gods and monsters. All of Kaeya’s Talents and skills are screaming at us “This man is not showing you his true strength. He’s just playing the long game.” He never takes a threat too seriously. Abyss mage at the start of the game? How amusing! Dvalin is going nuts and hilichurls are ransacking the city? Hmm. Seems like a good time to go have a “chat” with a contact. Signora, the 8th, behaved in much the same manner. Then let’s look at the sources they’re based on: Childe/Tartaglia- Childe is a term for a young lord, often spoiled and meek. Tartaglia is the stutterer, often in a position he’s clumsy and under educated in. (Sounds a lot like our “toy salesman”!) In this identity as a Fatuus, he’s spoiled, clumsy, meek, and (barely) putting on appearances as a respectable career man. Then there’s Ajax (the great). A fierce, unrelenting, and bloodthirsty warrior who fights entire armies in the Trojan war unscathed. So proud that he would sooner kill himself than face defeat in battle- Yep that sounds like our headstrong Russian ginger. And then there’s Kaeya. Alberich: OBERON: King of the dwarves (or dark elves/fairies depending in the story referred to). The villain in Wagner’s poetic opera, who renounced love of the Rhine Maidens for untold power in the form of a GOLD ring. Who had the power to become invisible (great skill for an infiltrator). Who, when punished by the gods and stripped of his belongings, curses the GOLD ring to drive anyone but himself mad (inspired LOTR, btw, Alberich is literally Sauron). Whose half mortal son’s (who may actually be Kaeya’s inspiration?) birth marked the beginning of the apocalypse and the end of the gods. Who could not be slain in combat because of his unrivaled magical prowess save for by a fearless and inhumanly powerful warrior: Seigfried. Seigfried. The name of another MHY character who is a member of the strongest family in the series. A descendent of likely the single strongest human being in the entire franchise engineered for killing god-like beings. That’s what MHY is saying it takes to stop an Alberich. A team of gods, or a warrior meant for godslaying.
@@mythogenesis4788 Omg... I did not ask for so much text. Even though i myself often write that much, but usually on a much more interesting topics. Whatever, let's just assume you have some evidence that you believe in.
I think the 10th harbinger was removed from Irminsul, just like Scaramouche, so no one remember about them. That could explain why both Scaramouche and Childe doesn't have voice line about the 10th and doesn't even say anything about 10th seat, why there wasn't another harbinger in Winter Night's Lazzo, etc. So probably Alice is the only person that actually remembers there was another harbinger (and Heavenly Principle ofc). I don't know how to explain the constellations of harbingers tho, maybe the crying mask isn't actually Pierro's constellation since he's not a harbinger?? no idea
We've seen what happens when a Fatui Harbinger is deleted, namely people comment on that seat having been empty for Xth number of years that that particular Fatui had been active. OTOH, the fact that Scaramouche's seat remained empty rather than having been filled by someone else in the new timeline might be an indication that whoever is responsible for filling that seat (Dottore, in Scaramouche 's case) is a Descender and immune to having their memory tampered by those kind of Irminsul temporal shenanigans. Actually, I'm going to get that Dottore is a Descender because that's the only way that he wouldn't lose all the centuries of study he put into Scaramouche's Archon/Khaenri'ahn-wrought puppet body, which would probably make him a somewhat weaker that, which seems a bit early in the story to happen at this point.
oh we're definitely gonna be joining the fatui some time in the future. Whether temporary or permanent, it doesn't matter gonna be having a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" moment when we eventually have to fight Celestia/Abyss
I honestly really like the theory that pierro is the 0th harbinger, since i couldnt really see arlechinno which is super valuable to the fatui as she runs the orphanage that raises their soliders or capitano "the strongest individual in teyvat" being number 10
I feel like Capitano HAS to be #1. Childe fanboys over Capitano like no one else. He gets excited at even being noticed by him. There are others that Childe wants to fight (like Varka) but Capitano is at the top of the list and probably for good reason.
What if Kaeya is the 10th Harbinger? During the event quest in 2.4, Eight Locales Over Mountains and Seas, Sara from Good Hunter's said that their chef was busy making a lot of food for the Grand Goth Hotel, yeah the main hideout for the Fatui's. He even went to Wanmin's restaurant to order and sold out the food. Kaeya has been very fishy.
What if it's someone like Dain? He has to be getting his information from somewhere and as far as I know, Dain has never come out against the Fatui. I feel like there's a reason the abyss sibling tells us not to trust Dain. Maybe he's under cover? He and Pierro could be working together to stop the abyss and take down Celestia.
I think Dain, as the highest ranking guard for the Khaenri’ahn Royal family, would be too strong for this position. But if it was someone of a similar position would be fascinating.
@@mythogenesis4788 The notion that there is a khaenrian survivors colony somewhere lives rent free in my head. I would like to see other survivors pop up. Especially with the idea that some of them followed Pierro because he was able to help them or pseudo help them. In turn, they served as the beginnings of the Fatui. Dain himself is intriguing, because there's a lot we just don't know about him. He states he was traveling partners with our sibling, yet there's no record of him with our sibling so far. We know the journey started in Sumeru. The Aranara never mention Dain. The answer to that is it's likely he found the sibling later on, but it makes you wonder. NGL, since hoyo dropped the Pierro lore and introduced what seemed to be a cloaking device in 3.3, for a hot second I thought Pierro and Dain might be the same person. The Halfdan stuff sort of kills that though. I will say it's interesting we've never seen Dain raise a sword. He's only ever used his powers, much in a way that a catalyst user or a mage would. Dain's trying to stop the loom of fate operation, but why? Did he set this task for himself as penance due to his past sins or did someone convince him he needed to stop it? One thing he specifically mentions is if he and the traveler succeed, that “Fate will be ours to re-weave.” Why would the Captain of the Royal Guard want to re-weave fate? Is he trying to undo his past failings or is he planning to hand the responsibility off to someone else once it’s done? Let’s not forget that part of the Fatui’s overall goal is to create a new world that is free of Celestia’s rule. Rewriting fate to make it so Celestia never even gains control is a possibility. I know he gets his information from Irminsul, but information on the eye of the first field tiller seems like an oddly specific thing to search for given Irminsul is a record of the world. How would he know to look for it at all? How does he know they’re planning to build a god? This wouldn’t be a spur of the moment plan. It’s something they’ve been working on for quite awhile. Did Dain discover it while spying on the Abyss or did someone tell him? Then there’s the eye itself. We still don't know where the eye is hidden. Dain specifically mentions the Abyss Order can grab it from anywhere, so it's likely in a place where it's protected/guarded. Dain doesn't tie to any nation, so taking it to Pierro for safe keeping makes sense, unless there's some super secret place the Abyss Order can't reach. The Fatui are also seemingly unconcerned with the Abyss and their actions. You would think Pierro might be a little worried about someone else trying to go for Celestia as well, but he's not. In fact, it feels like that situation is very much under control. Could he have someone in place handling all of that? Due to his connection with Irminsul, Dain would be an attractive get for Pierro in the early days of the Fatui. Since Pierro is into the whole manipulation thing, he could easily sway and use Dain for his benefit. The trick is, what happens after. Since Scara doesn't mention them, the proposed missing harbinger was either already out of the picture by the time Scara was recruited or Scara doesn't know about them. For me personally, I feel like at some point soon we're due for a major betrayal. It's been a minute since that's happened. The traveler is far too trusting and eventually that has to come back to bite us. Time will tell though. Also, sorry this got so long. :)
Well, now there is no more debate, the "missing harbinger" exists, and is the number 10. Now that 4.1 just started maybe we will see something else about this misterious person.
my favourite of your theories has to be the Comico one. The name itself reminds me of the world cosmos = universe, so Comico being a descender is so likely. My guess however is that Comico is not the 10th but the secretly 1st. Someone that is never shown even to the lower ranked harbingers or just spends their entire time hidden on purpose… or what i like to think, is that because Comico is so important to the fatui, they never leave The Tsaritsa’s side. something like how paimon is always around us. Comico may even be a similar size to paimon or just has a unique design. but who knows. anyway, the fatui are so interesting and this video was too!
Comico comes from the root of the word Comedy. Not cosmos. I do think it would be cool if a guy named comico was secretly super strong, but the seat of 10th harbinger still fits just fine. He’d still be super strong. Childe for example is stronger than most of the people we’ve met in our travels and he’s only the 11th. I do think we’ve met a few normal people who could beat childe (namely: Diluc, Eula, Beidou, Yelan, Hu Tao, Shenhe, Alhaitham, and Cyno) (also possibly Ayato and Jean but they might not quite be up to it) (and obviously an adeptus like Xiao and any of the archons could kick his ass). Childe is very strong but even in his foul legacy transformation he’s not that much stronger than in his other forms, and he can only stay in that form for limited amounts of time.
The other strong candidate is Yelan, she's so mysterious and childe even gave the casino to her, yelan also had a interaction with pantalone,,, and if you're done on her story quest, she said something on how fatui especially arlechinno can find him even if he hides
Yelan stole Pantalone's gift for Tsaritsa and took apart the fatui plot in Liyue. Childe never gave the casino to her but only took down the previous owner. She only told the man in her story quest that the fatui could find her so she could make him give up info.
The moment I heard about the number 10 being missing it instantly make me think maybe the abyss sibling could be number 10 And I started to think we know they are extremely powerful and has lot of resources but I don't think they would cooperate with fatuis that what would be why their ranks is very low (but not the last cuz Childe is really really the worst compared to others) And when I learned that abyss sibling and pierro know each other it made me also think maybe abyss sibling asked pierro to creat fatuis and gather gnosis This is probably not true but if it could then abyss sibling is literally playing 4d chess with the world
What if the Innamorat is indeed about the Traveler? There's a theory what was born after La Signora passed: what if the Traveler will take the empty seat (or maybe the missing seat, the 10th), they're against them that's right, after learning what Dottore did to Scaramouche they might be even more against the Fatui now, but what if by the time we reach Snezhnaya, we end up in a situation where we need a strong ally like this group or the archon herself? (or just a specific member's alliance) or where we're being forced into an alliance with them so we take the 10th seat as both older and stronger than the 11th? (Sorry Tartaglia-) Traveler is very well capable of joining forces with anyone if the Traveler needs it or has profit from it. They can come pretty handy if they're going up against Celestia anyways, in that point of having something against a god or more gods is matching with the Fatui. Or what if it was taken by the sibling BEFORE they left for the Abyss order? The sibling knew Pierro, so maayybeee it was their seat for a while, and is now waiting for the Traveler to take that place? This would work for such a double role as the LoverS (even tho I didn't mean to imply any romantic relation between the twins pls don't take it in the wrong way-)
I really like your idea of Brighella,and i have some maybe crazy theory about who was the 10th Fatui and why this number is vacant now. The 10th was a Collei,yeah i know it sounds crazy,but there are several pieces of evidence that makes this theory quite possible. 1. Is manga,in manga we know she was in Sneznaya and was a guinea pig for Dottore, but she was a successful experiment and Dottore himself said - you started as a despicable,ugly minion,but i molded you into beautiful,perfect being, you are deserving a reward. The reward most likely refers to entering Fatui harbingers as a 10th and finally leaving his lab. 2.Brighella description - cowardly, avoiding fights, nervousness, doesn't it sounds like a Collei who is still trying to find courage, another trait is escape artist - Collei was clever or illusive enough to escape from Fatui and arriving at Monstadt. 3.Her powers were difficult for her to control, and she was without her dendro power and used a black flame which is more suitable for Harbinger during her Monstadt revenge arc,and definitely she looks more powerful than duo element Tartaglia,since black flames are more impressive than water + electricity. 4.Winter Scherzzo trailer, this trailer was presenting all Harbingers plus a Collei, and at first you would think that it's just her introduction to Sumeru arc, but the Tighnari is only a voice over, so why Collei having a actual appearance in trailer which is showing only harbingers and right after Dottore? 5.Dottore, he is number 2 and most likely have enough authority to make Collei a number 10th or asking Pierro to do this. That's how i see it was - after surviving all of Dottore crazy experiments and impressing him with such success,he made a Collei number 10, she was either lost all hope or was actually waiting for this moment to escape, after her escape from Fatui her number becomes vacant and no one replaced her even now.
Certainly is an interesting thought, though it feels shallow when we have far more to go off of that Pierro IS the First Harbinger and still is, than he isn't. As well as the reasonings for him not being the first generally not having much weight and feeling very much like it's a grasp at straws.
We actually don't have any confirmation that Pierro is the First Harbinger. Tartaglia's voiceline tells us that he once was, but is now the Leader of the Harbingers, being the Director instead. Him being the Director has confirmation in the description for A Winter Night's Lazzo, while him still being the First has no confirmation.
@@SiliconOneFour Most of your reply just proves my point lmao Argument 1: "Tartaglia's voiceline tells us that he once was, but is now the Leader of the Harbingers, being the Director instead." said voiceline says: "**He was the first ever Fatui Harbinger, and today he is our leader.** He only appears on important occasions. As for his accomplishments... To be honest, I don't really care. I owe my loyalty and devotion to the Tsaritsa, no one else." That doesn't imply that he stopped being the first harbinger and ascended to a higher role, nor do I see how that can be confused that's the case. He said he was in past tense the first Fatui in past tense because those events are in the past, hence "past tense". It doesn't mean he stopped being the first Fatui, that doesn't make sense. Argument 2: "Him being the Director has confirmation in the description for A Winter Night's Lazzo, while him still being the First has no confirmation." Again, that has very little to stand off of considering all we know. I don't want to argue whether or not he's been confirmed to be the first Harbinger, because I'll be blunt, **he hasn't.** But you're assuming the top ranked spot and the term "Director" have zero correspondence because it's not said flat out "Yes he's #1." which makes no sense considering every single sign we know of that points to him being the first. His name meaning "sad clown" with a clown mask on the Constellation board? Him having a codename to begin with which is blatantly said to only be bestowed onto Harbingers? The "commedia dell'arte" which the Harbingers are **directly taken from** only having 11 characters? It makes no sense.
the fatui is not a solid faction as it seems, with each one having their own interests. im pretty sure there is a divide in loyalty here, tsaritsa faction and pierro faction having the traveler tips the scales, and i believe a Civil War in Winter Snezhnaya will happen once the traveler comes in as another piece of their chessboard
I think it's interesting to consider fischl. In all fischls trailers and cutscenes the fatui leitmotif plays, and we know fischl (the character not Amy) traveled to teyvat from her own world the immernagcht riech and would be a descender. Maybe the real fischl is an actual character who works for the fatui and the reason we haven't seen any teasers of her is because it'd be a massive spoiler. I think that this is kinda a crack theory but the fatui lietmotif every time fischl is on screen can't be an accident
This would actually be hilarious if true. But I think the reason it plays in relation to fischl is due to the theatre and opera themes of the harbingers, fischl also encapsulating that energy. I do kinda like your idea though, and to kinda add onto it the idea of fischl's power being "ten" is mentioned in the princess fischl story which could connect her to the tenth placement. Amy (our fischl's real name) is also the name of a demon in the Ars Goetia which means she might have more importance than we expect.
The idea that she's more powerful than we expect or has a variant that could be a 5 star I think is actually somewhat likely and I think the tenth harbinger being fischl would be a neat way of accomplishing that. I suppose we'll see soon enough though.
There's also that other missing Fatui Harbinger. I think they were number 6 or something. None of the other Harbingers seem to know what I'm talking about, insisting that there hasn't been a number 6 spot for ages. I dunno. Something doesn't add up.
- Interesting theory, but I'm not sure if Pierro isn't No.1 or not bc I saw that Tartaglia's voiceline about the Jester in CN version said he "is" the first harbinger, and the leader of the harbingers today. Also in jp, if my japenese listening skill is good enough, I think he said "He is the first Fatui harbinger, and also the current leader of the Fatui harbinger". - I don't think there's a miss harbinger seat bc if there's an empty seat in the beginning, I think there should be mentioned in the conversation between Mikhail and Lyudmila either after the death of Signora or after Scaramouche erased memories of him from Teyvat. It should be either the missing No.10 didn't show up in Signora's funeral, or Pierro is No.1, Capitano No.4 and Arlecchino is No. 10 - About Capitano, I think he can be the either No.1(If Pierro is really not No.1) or No. 4. Being No.4 can also mean that he's 1 of strongest human, while No. 3 or higher aren't human(at least currently aren't). - About Arlecchino, there's some dialogue from hidden side quest Inazuma that make me don't think she is No.4. Efim Snezhevich in the hidden quest said that Signora's death is a good opportunity for him to raise Arlecchino's prestige. If she really is No.4, I don't know why her subordinate need to raise her prestige after someone who rank lower than her died.
For Capitano, being the strongest human and maybe even the strongest being made me think he is likely number one. For Arlecchino, while yes her subordinates wanted to raise her prestige, that means they basically just wanted to improve her image, as prestige is more based on respect and admiration.
@@SiliconOneFour I think the bigger rank should have more respect and admiration too. I think it would make a lot more sense if her subordinate said it's just an order for Arlecchino herself or complained about having to clear the aftermath of Signora's death or not saying anything about raising her prestige Right now, I'm more believe that the No.1, 4 and 10 seat are either Pierro No.1, Capitano No.4 and Arlecchino No.10. or Capitano No.1, Mystery character No.4 and Arlecchino No.10.
@@cardnacn6704 The ranks are based on power and strength, not respect. Scara was Number 6, but not many of the Fatui soldiers liked him. Then Childe is Number 11, and he seems like he'd be more liked.
@@SiliconOneFour Maybe, but that line and the voiceline order really mess my head. Just why did her subordinate want to up her prestige, if she really is No.4? Is there any purpose for her to do that if her number is so high?
@@cardnacn6704 Perhaps the soldier wanted to up her prestige for their own gain. Additionally, they may have wanted to up her prestige in Inazuma specifically after Signora died to show the Fatui can still have power there.
I think it's interesting that most of what we've seen from the Fatui-- the masked roles are opposites to the characters themselves. There is a 'these are the masks we wear' sort of thing going on here, but having one of the harbingers actually fit the masked role would be an exception.
It's interesting that this theory is based off of the idea that the first isn't Pierro, given how Pierro is heavily assumed to be the 1st, with the Captain in the 4th and the Knave in the 10th. There ARE 11, and it would be weird if one of the Harbingers weren't there to send off their member. That seems to be the only linking factor, given that they all serve the cryo archon. Sending off Signora was a majorly important event that gathered all but the first in your theory... so while it looks unlikely given that there are 11 important characters related to the Harbingers, I'm curious to see if it's right, or if we may see these characters at some point in the future. I do also feel like they would have referenced that whatever missing seat was vacant if it was along with Scara, since the conversation was about the power of the Fatui. So it's most likely not empty. Stuff like this keeps the game super exciting :)
You know after seeing the other harbinger I remember that the harbinger that introduce us is the ONE OF 16 POPULAR OR BETTER KNOW CHARACTERS in commedia dellarte and there are only 5 left Are The innamorati (male and female) Gianduja Pedrolino Brighella To me I think it can't be The innamorati since its two characters in one title Brighella probably not since we already had the same greeddy and money of another harbinger Pedrolino doesn't fit since in commedia dellarte pedrolino always mistaken as pierro for being the same role they play And Last GIANDUJA will probably the better since he's role is kind of a cheff who runs who had farms, food and probably restaurant and he's mask depict an honest peasant of piedmontese countryland with a certain inclination of wine and gastronomy
My (mostly made up) theory is: As soon as Pierro got promoted from the "First Harbinger" to the "Director" (when there were just 9 of them) he recruited two more people to fill in the ranks: Capitano and Tartaglia. Capitano undoubtedly breezed through all the tests with excellence, but Childe, while being impressive in combat, had one glaring flaw, that being his body could barely withstand the effect of Delusion, which is deemed shameful because delusions were considered a gift from the Tsaritsa herself. So in the end, Pierro chose Capitano as his successor of Number 1. As for Childe, after much controversy and negotiations, was awarded the last position, signifying his place as lower than the rest of the other Harbingers, while No. 10 remains empty to this day.
I think you confuse his delusion with his foul legacy - which is abyssal magic and thus hard for him to maintain without damaging his body ~ Unless he also has problems with his delusions and I just didn´t know haha
Pulcinella was the one to recruit Childe though, not Pierro. Childe also didn't get his delusion until he became a Harbinger, and it's not even the delusion that he has problems with, it's his Foul Legacy transformation, which is an abyssal technique
Brighella sounds too much like Kaeya. If it were him, a sleeper agent being a low down harbinger as well makes sense. It's why he's still pressured to side with Khaenriah, because Pierro IS keeping close watch.
I feel like if Kaeya IS a sleeper agent and the 10th harbinger, he’s probably a double agent that actually sides with Mondstadt. Because all the people he actually cares about are in mondstadt. All the people that raises him and care about him. Meanwhile the fatui use their harbingers as tools and that’s it.
Wait why can't Pierro be both the director and the 1st harbinger? I mean yeah it's confirmed that Pierro is the director but nobody said that he isn't the 1st harbinger?
It is possible that he is both, but to me it seems far more likely that he is just the Director. The description for a Winter Night's Lazzo only says Director, not Director and Harbinger, plus Tartaglia's voiceline on him gives the idea that Pierro was once a Harbinger, but now is the Director. I've also seen the idea that he acts as sort of "Number 0" of the Harbingers if you will.
If in the description of the Winter Night's Lazzo it says next to every harbinger that they are harbinger, why wouldn't it say that Pierro is the harbinger as well? Only because he also have the title of the director? That doesn't make any sense. On top of that, it's kinda hard for me to believe that Capitano is the 4th, with how stupidly strong he is being presented. (that was said he can kill a ruin guard with one of the Klee's pencils, kinda god-like in my opinion, so he can't be lower than 3)
love the video but if you check The Constellations of the Eleven Harbingers you can only see 11 of them. Even Pierro has it in the constellations (mask that is crying) maybe is pierro the first harbringer and not the director
I am aware of this. This is why I said at the end that the Tenth seat may be empty at this point in time. The mask hasn't been confirmed as Pierro's constellation either, though it is likely.
@@rafaelbittencourtmiranda4338 if you check the description of the fatui trailer ( a winter night's lazzo). It is confirmed/stated there that Pierro is the director of the fatui and the rest are labelled as fatui harbinger. Leak allert: But yes, the leaks further expanded that Pierro is not counted on the 11 fatui harbingers and that capitano is indeed number 1 and the 10th seat is vacant
Unique Character Model✔️ Looks Strong (Buff) As Hell✔️ Is Literally Always One Step Ahead Of The Traveler✔️ Travels Across Teyvat And And Notes That There Is Always Socio-Economic Turmoil In Their Wake✔️ Is Only Ever Found In A City With A Notable Fatui Presence ✔️ Name Sounds Like The German Word For "The Lovers"✔️ Liben is the 10th Fatui Harbinger.
still not sure about pierro being the ''director'' during the 3.3 when scara talk about pierro living with our sibling the traveler say "The Jester, another Fatui Harbinger..." of course he don't know the exact hierachy among them but yeah I have have a few suspect for a potential phantom harbinger but still not convinced about this ''director'' thing
I like than in little more than a week some confusion will be cleared (Since during 4.1 they *have* to declare Arlecchino's rank) If Arlecchino is the 4th, then this means that we are without a doubt missing the one on the 10th seat (Because Childe's voiceline already makes it clear that Capitano is not the 10th). If Arlecchino is the 10th, then this will likely mean that there wasn't a "twelve harbinger" to begin with and all of this was a misunderstanding. Because it would be really really weird for Capitano to be the 1st knowing that there is no way for him lore wise to be more valuable in the organization than someone like Dottore, this means that if we still follow the "Twelve seat" theory we have to claim that this twelve person is the 1st (And I mean, sure why not lol). In the end, I like the theory, is just that I don't agree with the concept of more than 11 harbingers.
i do think we will join the fatui come the end of the schneshnaya arc. we almost have to. buth for most of not all the harbingers to become playable but more so for tsaritsa to be.
I think the innamorati won't be one but 2 harbingers and they are the replacements for Signora and scara and honestly idk why but I always feel like they could be lyney and Lynette
Pantalone wanted to erase the connection of Gods to humans, knowing that visions create an imbalance of power in humans. Thus, his idea of "fair exchange" referred only to a "humane" principle.
MAJOR SPOILER FOR SUMERU QUEST : . . I think that the traveller will become the 6th harbinger when they go to Snezhnaya. They will take the spot of the balladeer
Also what if the 10th Harbinger was us from either future who did some mistakes and wants to change that (maybe loosing our sibling) or us from past who came to do some serious things and is the one no one knews about for safety reasons, which turned out to be useful after some tragedy happened in which we lost our memories? Sounds interesting to me but idk it's just a random thought
What if... the 10th is Otto Apocalypse "The Lover" Innamorati, the real Otto who was able to save Kallen and give her another chance at life becoming a hero, while he got casted out of that timeline or space what ever it was that he got into, and got sent to Teyvat.
The music ? The narration ? Your voice ? Everything is on point in this video. Anyway here my list of the possible contender of the empty seats and the 10th seat. Skirk Alice Chiyo Nathan Dorian (Primordial Albedo) Ajax big brother? Ouroboros (snake god worshiped along side Orobashi). Ps01: I would love you to do a video about Iansan and Natlan as a whole. Ps02: Also... your thought on Xiao (or the Yakshas) and Azdaha coming from Sumeru (you know persian name n stuff) ?
Thank you so much! And those are all good ideas! Skirk seems very interesting actually, I would love to see that. And I would love to take a look into those video ideas, so thank you!
Okay this is not directly to the theme of harbingers, but i have a question/random thought that occurred to me at night. I was just thinking about why the only playable characters do have vision? I know it's probably because of how the game works, because who would want a character that doesn't have an element? But there could be also some other power like the one Dainsleif has and there are also delusions, which could be banned as playable characters because of the unstability, but still? Then I realized that the visions came from the celestia (or how the speculations go i think) and what if we, as a traveller, are slowly becoming one with celestia, by using and manipulating only characters that have visions that are linked to that? Okay I know that it's said that when we get characters they are accompanying us on our adventure, but I just think it would be an interesting turn of events if in the end colecting characters would be against their will and plan of celestia to somehow make them work with us instead with the Fatui/Abyss sibling.
The constellation of the harbringer are match with their number and the number of their apperance on the trailer, i doubt they have secret member. And i dont think mihoyo gonna fill the empty seat of scara and signora. Its gonna be too much and the other enemy faction gonna have ranking too like the abyss and celestia.
comico might be skirk, I don't believe alice would be the harbinger, sure she has what it got but she's too weird for being a fatui, skirk on the other hand is very acceptable, 1. remember wanderer's voice about jester? he always given task by both jester and dottore, one of them is come and go to the abyss for some work, might do something to abyss activity, skirk also resides in the abyss like what childe told so in his voiceline, he was saved while he bonked to the abyss 2. this is my theory, but I think delusion is not tsaritsa's gnosis power, every archon has an ability for their gnosis, what we knew is morax to make moras, then seeing that tsaritsa is used to be a goddess of love, delusion might not be it, I think the experiment in abyss might do the thing, even abyss took barbatos's statue back then, might also do experiment against celestia, and tsaritsa used the abyss power somehow to counterpart the vision. this thing can't be made easily, someone needs to control the task, skirk might done that, sadly balladeer is one of those experiment done 3. that comico meant play's world, the theory of teyvat has fake star and sky, meant that all the time this teyvat also a fake world, and abyss is one of the way out teyvats law, maybe she is supervised the activity of the outer world, maybe I'm not too good at explaining, alice might be a descender, but the theory that she is a fatui is kinda strange, tho she has many suspicious activity going on, the least is how often she has commmunicate with some archon and the illluminated being around makes me wonder that there's a chance she also helped tsaritsa with something, maybe an information or something
It's not actually, it's rather vague with Pierro's spot. While he is "The First Fatuus," this is just referencing how he created the Fatui alongside the Tsaritsa. Additionally, the description for A Winter Night's Lazzo tells that he is in fact the Director.
@Grunty Gaming Tartaglia’s voiceline about him says he WAS the First Harbinger, and is NOW their leader, which suggests he isn’t ranked in the Harbingers.
doesnt make sense pierro not being the rank 1 when you consider that banner showing all harbingers constellations, so if the mask is his constellation but he is not on the ranks because he is the leader then we would have 12 constellations on that banner to fit the missing harbinger. to fit the missing harbinger that would have to not be his constellation and instead be from someone else probably dottore, capitano or the missing harbinger. I looked the wiki and I think that pierro is rank 1 but people just call him the leader, capitano is the rank 4 and arlecchinho is rank 10
The tenth is likely either reserved for the traveler or reserved for Innamurata (the lover)- who may very well be the Tsaritsa herself. But if the tenth is Kaeya, a Zanni, I will lose my shit.
Initial list of harbingers:1.Pierro, 2. Dottore, 3. Columbina 4.unknown, 5. Pulcinella, 6. Scaramouche 7. Sandrone, 8. La Signora, 9. Pantalone, 10. unknown, 11. Tartaglia Rank unknown: Capitano, Arlecchino. One of them is number 4 the other is number 10. Or did I not understand something?
It might be possible that Pierrot, being the Director, doesn't have a number or is 0. That would leave a spot for a missing one. The symbol for the Harbingers does include 12 symbols after all. Maybe Pierrot is symbolised by the Fatui symbol and not any of the other 11?
We look at the description of the artifacts of the Pale Flame set: Mocking Mask «My name is Pierro, The Jester.» Stainless Bloom- «The first Fatuus gave power to a young woman in whom the flame of life had all but died,» Wise Doctor's Pinion -«Following a trail of rumors of heresy, the first of the Fatui tracked him down...» Here are the words of Tartaglia from his voice remarks -About The Jester-«He was the first ever Fatui Harbinger, and today he is our leader.» It can be assumed that he is still number one. But we will find out the truth in the game in the future!
Pierro was the First Harbinger, but he no longer is a Harbinger. He is instead the Director of the Fatui. This is confirmed in the description for A Winter Night's Lazzo. Being the First Fatuus doesn't mean he is still the First Harbinger either. And as for Tartaglia's voiceline, the use of "was" shows he no longer is a Harbinger, but is ranked above them.
Nobody: Highly unlikely theory by me: Imagine if the Abyss Sibling is in some way connected to the Harbingers. After they both do want the destruction of Celestia. But plot twist, the 10th seat left open was left open for TRAVELLER because the Abyss Sibling expects and has made the Fatui believe his sibling to see the truth by the end of the journey and join his/her side. Idk, sounds long shot but yeah
The Main Headquarters of Adventurer's Guild is located in Snezhnaya which is known to be led & founded by the Descender Alice...so is she The Comico of the Fatui?
In the end we will understand the doing of the fatui and will join hands with them against the Celestia so ot is possible that one seat in Fatui Harbinger is reserved for the traveller. Mondstandt: Honorary Knight Liyue: Honored Guest Inazuma: Swordfish 2 Captain Sumeru: Firsy Sage of Buer Fontaine: ? Natlan: ? Snezhnaya: Fatui Harbinger #? 🤣🤣🤣
the thing is, is pierro not a fatui harbringer? Everyone says there are the "11 fatui harbringers", so does he not count since he doesnt hold a place in the rankings? Paimon is from the aers goetia as king paimon, so I don't feel they would a fatui member and be from celestia instead.
all we need now is a first meeting with pierro and he gets a name drop of "1st harbinger". then this theory would be debunked. but until then, the thought of a missing harbinger is very interesting indeed!
@@harfi212 i always though this was the case since didnt we get confirmation that capitano is the strongest human, implaying he isnt the strongest amongst the fatui since the top 3 arent human, aka dottore, columbina and pierro.
@@catsouplover7745 yep, its from varka letter that mika read. Those leak ranking are making a lot of people in shamble and taking it like somekind of truth. Why the f 10th seat is even empty ? Far stretch bs theory. I guess some people dont accept arlechino is low ranking and capitano is not higher coz dottore is no 2. I really cant wait for the game officially tell their rank and be done with this.
@@SiliconOneFour I m just going to leave this here: wiki footnote on the Harbinger page Given that all other seats are known, Capitano and Arlecchino are likely the currently unidentified Fourth and Tenth seats, respectively, based on Tartaglia's remark that he is too low-ranked for Capitano to notice him and Efim's desire to take advantage of Signora's death to raise Arlecchino's prestige. If The Jester's directorial role is a different role than the First seat (which has been neither confirmed nor denied), then it's possible that one of them may occupy the first seat too. However, no official confirmation on their ranks has been given. references: - Archon Quest, Interlude Chapter, Act III - Inversion of Genesis, Part 1: The Night-Bird Falls at the Curtain's Call - RUclips: Teyvat Chapter Interlude Teaser: A Winter Night's Lazzo - Tartaglia's Character Story: Delusion He was confirmed to be director, but never confirmed to not be a harbinger. Your theory is built on the assumption that the two roles do not overlap, which I think it is fine because it's a theory.
Or, hear me out, Pierro is both number 1 and the director as the director and number 1 can be the same, leaving Capitano as number 4 and Arlecchino as number 10
I've read some comments and thought about the 10th being Kaeya. He is shady,.. so is his unorthodox Vision, but he is more abyss-kind-of-suspicious and less Fatui-like. + I want to see how/if he interacts with the Fatui and/or Dainsleif someday to figure out where he is aligning himself in this conflict.
Kaeya actually went against the Fatui plans in Mondstadt in the manga, so him being a Harbinger is almost 0% chance Dainslef is a different case though, even if he hate gods this doesn't prevent him being a harbinger because: -Scaramouch was once a harbinger and he hate all gods and humans -Arlecchino is, according to Tartaglia, not loyal to Tsaritsa Anyway, Abyss order is described by Diluc as "all mankind shared enemy", Fatui and Abyss are enemies clearly even if both are against Heavenly Principles, so Deinslef going against Abyss order wont prevent him being a harbinger
Unless Pierro is considered to be something far more than the ranking of the fatui harbingers, the ranking does add up and no one is missing. 1-Pierro 2-Dottore 3-Columbina 4-Capitano 5-Pullcinela 6-Scaramouche 7-Sandrome 8-Rosaline 9-Pantalone 10-Arlechino 11-Tartaglia So only if Pierro doesn't fit in the ranking and Capitano is actually first on the ranking, then Arlechino on 6th, then it would make sense for a person to be missing
Dude, that was never confirmed 🤦♂ He was never called a harbinger. That being said, he was only called as the director of the Fatui. Of course, he is the strongest of them all, but that doesn't mean he is a harbinger.
Pierro is not actually a Harbinger anymore. While he was the First Harbinger, at some point he instead became the Director. The order I presented in the video has support too, as I mentioned with Tartaglia and Wanderer's voicelines.
Everyone stop complaining about him saying 3 harbingers stronger than archon's because there is truth to it nahida quite said she is powerless against the doctor and she is a archon so I would say term "being stronger than archon" is right
it seems that many people miss the obvious details and therefore have questions, well, I will answer everything. Why is Capitano most likely rank 1 and Arlecchino 4, and Jester is the director of fatui? Refutation of counterarguments, and arguments in favor of this theory. >Wasn't it said that Pierro is the first rank? No, it was only said that he was the very first fatui harbinger/the first ever harbinger, marking the date of entry and not the rank. Also, in the Chinese original, Pierro was never mentioned by rank, all references speak of him as the very first fatui, the original, standing at the origins. >Why then are there 11 harbingers, but now there are 10 of them for some reason? Because 11 harbingers is the number of seats, and not active participants in the organization, Dottore was not represented as the second of the ten harbingers of fatui after the death of the Signora. >Why then doesn't Tartaglia take the empty tenth place? Exactly because Sandrone does not take the sixth place of Scaramouche or Pantalone the 8th place of the Signora.Even despite the higher empty ranks, harbingers can remain in their lower positions. >Why then the 10th place was not mentioned fatui from Monstadt and was not mentioned anywhere at all? To support the intrigue, questions and a sense of interest in the fandom, in hiding the ranks and meaning, and such information that may turn out to be an unexpected plot twist cannot be so disclosed in a random dialogue, it will kill the whole intrigue, reveal the secret, and by elimination will reveal the remaining ranks. >Why then is the Pierro symbol in the harbinger wheel? To begin with, this symbol is not yet confirmed, and it is not a fact that it refers to Pierro.Even so, Pierro was the very first harbinger of fatui according to Tartaglia. "He was the first EVER harbinger,and TODAY he is our LEADER " That is, he was already a harbinger and his symbol can enter the wheel, also nothing prevents the leader of the harbingers from being in the harbinger wheel, also, the Pierro symbol can be a mask on top of all the harbinger symbols. >Why would Arlecchino's servants raise her prestige if she's at rank 4? Because they, as her debtors from the orphanage, want to thank their benefactor,Arlecchino.Prestige has nothing to do with rank, it speaks of reputation, the reason why the Signora is mentioned is that the Signora caused a mess by the failure of fatui's plans and her death, which is a great time to put Arlecchino in the best light on this contrast. Prestige does not affect the rank, the rank depends on the strength of the harbinger, so this remark is untenable. >Why then does the teaser description say that all the harbingers have gathered? Because virtually all the harbingers have gathered, because Pierro can be the leader of the harbingers, but not enter the numbering, thereby entering the organization of harbingers,the 10th place that did not come may simply be empty, so there is no contradiction here. >If in the order of the voice lines, 1 rank Capitano and 4 Arlecchino, why then in the order of the voice lines Signora and Scaramouche are the last, if they do not occupy the last places in the fatui? Because Signora is dead, and Scaramouche has left the organization, moreover, Scaramouche has already been removed from the voice lines about the harbingers. > There can be no other harbinger, which was not shown, why he did not come if Pierro and Tsaritsa called everyone? On the example of the 6th and 8th positions, the places in fatui may be empty and will not be replaced, the place may simply be empty because the 10th harbinger left or died, or simply did not appear and did not obey the demand. >If Capitano was number one, they would have said that. The rank of the same Dottore was not affected, although he is the second, and most were very surprised by this.Pierro was also not mentioned by rank.Isn't it obvious that the ranks of the harbingers are not disclosed, because this keeps the intrigue and generates controversy and speculation in the community?This would remove all the mystery, and then the whole effect of surprise would disappear, and other ranks by elimination would also be revealed. What are the reasons to believe that the Capitano is the first rank? The main reason to believe this will be said by the seventh at the end, this is a likely spoiler: 1. The order of the voice lines of Tartaglia and Scaramouche fully corresponding to the proposed ranking. Jester - director 1.Capitano 2.Dottore 3.Columbine 4.Arlecchino 5.Pulcinella 6.Scaramouche 7.Sandrone 8.Signora 9.Pantalone 10Empty/Unknown 11.Tartaglia 2. Too frequent references to the power of the Captain. Almost every word about him speaks of his great strength, even such sophisticated warriors as Tartaglia Scaramouche and Varka praise him.In comparison with other fatui, his power is mentioned most often, which gives him a better chance of having the first rank. 3.Scaramouche in EN says that Capitano has great personal strength this remark of Scaramouche about Capitano's strength is seriously undermined in EN localization, since in CN he considers Capitano as a person with the apex of strength/first-class strength. I quote: "队长"拥有有的的。 "Capitano possesses the apex of strength." Scaramouche also uses the word "实力" to describe Capitano's ability. This is the same word used by Childe when he talks about the ranking criteria of the Harbingers. Jean in the dialogue of the event of ballads and brews says: "The Grand Master has a rather... unconventional way of describing things, but even then... I've never heard him give such high recognition to anyone before.Traveler, if you ever encounter The Captain on your own journey, be on your guard. He is not someone to be underestimated." Also fatui themselves constantly praise Capitano according to Scaramouche. All these words describe Capitano as something with absolute strength, something invincible, and it would not be surprising if he turns out to be the first rank. 4. Another argument in favor of this is Lazzo's winter night teaser, in which Capitano interrogates Rank 2 Dottore about the situation with Scaramouche and Gnosis, doesn't that seem to hint at a higher position?, Arlecchino who is supposed to be 4 disrespectful and insulting about Pantaloone and Pulcinella and whether Rank 10 would be so rude to talk about 9 and 5 ?This may mean that she is rank 4. 5. Natlan is the last region before the snezhnaya, the last gnosis, the last key to the goal of fatui, the ruler of the Pyro region is an Archon with the title of god of war, it is logical to send the first and strongest harbinger there to perform such an important mission, and it is logical to present the first harbinger to the player there. 6.In the winter night lazzo, Pierro is signed as director of fatui, and the rest as harbingers. The same is true in the official discord of the Genshin Impact channel. 7. Finally, the most important reason and argument in favor of this. Spoilers: Two reliable insiders, Hxg diluc and TeamChina found information about the real ranking of fatui, in it. Jester - Leader 1.Capitano 2.Dottore 3. Columbine 4.Arlecchino 5.Pulcinella 6.Scaramouche 7.Sandrone 8. Signora 9.Pantaloon 10.Unknown/Empty 11.Tartaglia The information is taken from the database, and the insiders themselves are extremely truthful, also Capitano, according to Hxg_Diluc, is declared as "The strongest individual in Teivat " Therefore, these ranks are true with a probability of 95% In Fontaine, we will most likely see Arlecchino, we will have a bossfight, her most suitable symbol is next in the wheel of fatui harbingers, there we will be presented with her rank,if she is rank 4, then the Captain is 100% rank 1.
so I will add.Pierro is called the leading harbinger. Also in the original, when they talk about the rank of the harbinger, they use the word "席" - a place, a position, this has never happened in relation to Pierro. All mentions do not affect his rank, but only the primacy in joining the organization, the hieroglyphs "最初的的" are used - the original fatui "最初" - the original, primordial, the very first, the founder, and so on, there is no mention of rank, never.
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To be honest, with Pierro being confirmed as the Director, the order of the Harbingers makes more sense. I mean, it's likely that Capitano is the actual no. 1 and Arlecchino is no. 4. Remember how Childe says in his voiceline about Capitano that he is ranked too low for the Captain to notice him. And both Childe and Scaramouche speak of Arlecchino as having no sane bone in her body and that under her graceful facade there is her true, crazy face. It wouldn't really be fitting for Arlecchino to be no. 10 since she turns orphans into soldiers ://
Yeah, she literally controlled over the whole orphanage in a huge nation and take down those who betrayed the fatui. That kind of authority should be passed to someone with a high ranking.
I want arlecchino to be ranked higher than no. 10 too but after signora's death, some fatuis she raised, whatever said somethign like they could take that opportunity to raise Arlecchino up the rankings.
@@deathiswonderful250 They said they would increase her prestige which could mean many things besides I think Harbingers don't move up in ranks
What do you mean it doesn't suit her to be no.10, Childe is literally stronger than scara and signora specially with his abyss power but he's 11th, Even npc's says that they want to raise arlecchino's rank after signora's death.
You also said it that she turn orphans to soldier she's a manipulative person its either because she's weak that's why she manipulates people and rather use her brain than her own strenght
and Capitano being no.1 is the most bs thing to happen because the first 3 harbinger's are not a human, Pierro is confirmed as someone from Khaenriah 500 years ago meaning he has abyss powers like dainsleif, Dottore strength is not revealed but base on his experimentation he's already an strong immortal too either thats he himself or his prosthesis, and Columbina is a rumored character that from a seelie race, while capitano is just the humanity's strongest. Childe wants to fight capitano but even childe is scared of columbina.
@@Yunnnnnnn1229 Childe being stronger than Signora is debatable but he defo ain't stronger than Scara and like I said above they wanted to increase and quote "her prestige" not rank and I don't see why Capitano being number one is bs
For those confused, Pierro has actually NOT been confirmed as the first Harbinger. It has been stated however that he WAS the first of the Harbingers, but now is their Leader/Director, as confirmed in the description for A Winter Night’s Lazzo.
He has been described as “The First Fatuus” as well, though this just references that he founded the Fatui alongside the Tsaritsa.
Wait, the thing that still bother till this day are 11 Fatui's constellations. We can probably see that Pierro's constellation is the Sad Clown constellations that still among the 11. If Pierro is indeed not a Harbinger anymore, just a director then why he is still among 11?
Also about missing or mysterious 10th. Should Childe or Scaramouce already talked about him/her in their voice lines? Unless, him/her was erasing themselves in the past like Scaramouce did though.
The Winter Night Lazzo's trailer also stated this in the video description: "No one knows how long it has been since all the Fatui Harbingers last gathered.." Furthermore, In this trailer Pierro also using "we" like "the sages think themselves to be all knowing, but WE alone are wise to the virtue to those who acts in folly.." and "..in the name of her Majesty, The Tsaritsa, WE will seize authority from the gods.." This is probably just me but Pierro seems to keep including himself among Fatui Harbingers.
@@williamsl655 Like I said, perhaps the seat is empty at the moment. And they are still all Fatui, so of course Pierro would include himself.
@@SiliconOneFour Fair enough
@@SiliconOneFour
Diluc hates the Knights and who is a knight? Kaeya
Diluc hates the fatui and who else might be one? Kaeya
Remember, kaeya is from khaenriah and he should also take revenge
So it's very likely kaeya is the 10th harbinger
I didn't watch the video, idk if you already talked about it
@@creation5389 spoliers:
Kaeya is most likely coming in 3.5 with dainsleif. So we will prob find out.
The character of Comico reminds me of Alice. She is a descender and would definitely be a valuable asset for the fatui to have on their side
Alice came to my mind as well, but I think if she were a Harbinger, Venti would know and would have told us, so I would think it would be another Descender.
@@SiliconOneFour venti has probably lied in the past so I wouldn’t exclude it but it’s not likely
Yeah totally, she’s the one who matches the most
@@forevernever3837 she would be too strong to be 10th though
@@SiliconOneFour Bro...
Venti's not a trustworthy source AT ALL when it comes down to the truth of Teyvat.
I had this idea that the 10th seat was for a Harbinger that was exiled for what they did the Fatui deemed "Heretical" for them and goes against what they are doing. The Harbinger then fled and all mentions of them were removed, and anyone who mentions their name will be punished, leaving only their symbol behind as a reminder of their failures.
I hope my idea of it is true and hopefully we can see a more personalized side of the Fatui that isn't blinded by loyality.
What if it’s the same case with Scaramouche? After he got erased the 6th seat remains vacant for “years”, what if the reason no one mentions the 10th is because all memories and records were erased as well
When you talked about the Lovers archetype, I couldn't help but think how funny it would be if Vlad and Nadia somehow became harbingers together.
Wait hang on I would love that actually!
@@SiliconOneFourit would be hillarious if they became harbingers together and then refused to fight us because we helped bring them together
if you listen to fischl theme , it's the same as the fatui harbingers themes so maybe either the real princess fischl is the 10th harbinger (and likley also a descender)
or it's also likely that amy/fischl could be one in secret, she does already possess a pretty big delusion and we know she is one of the best investigator of the adventurers guild
Knowing how stories can hold truth, I do think the real Princess Fischl is a candidate for a descender. But I think we’ve seen that Flowers for Princess Fischl has an author, so it’s a bit unclear.
@@wolfkitty42 It's still a bit odd how these so called fantasy stories supposedly made by citizens hold truth of the past in them. You have to keep in mind that Nahida only did what she did because she was aware of the possibility that scaramouche will succeed in his plan. The average citizens of teyvat do not, and their memories about such things should be absolutely zero. Mr.Nine, the author of "Flowers for Princess Fischl", is also the author of another book called "The Shattered Halberd", which tells about the **archon war** and **the primordial one** . Keep in mind we don't know of any NPC who could be Mr.Nine. He's veryyyy sus so I think it might be the Oz of the real Fischl. EDIT: or he's the regrator, who wants to both make money and plant a seed into the people teyvat's heads. [I'm only saying this because there's multiple things pointing to Mr Nine being from Liyue]
@@Astrophel24 Ooh that’s a good point! I was not aware of other books by the author.
I was thinking that the Flowers for Princess Fischl might be a fairy tale backup of the Abyss Twin's personal journey, with Oz being the stand in for Dainsleif.
@@Astrophel24 There's Chang the 9th, but his entire schtick is that he isn't a successful author yet, IIRC.
What if Diluc's father, Crepus was the 10th harbinger, "the one who betrayed" the Tsaritsa and was later killed by Dottore or the Fatui as we saw in the manga. He also had a delusion which was later passed on to Diluc, certainly a possibility 🤔
I think this is quite likely honestly. Or at least that Crepus was a fatui member that betrayed the organization, even if he wasn’t a harbinger. Otherwise there would have been no way for him to get a delusion. They didn’t start mass-producing them until the delusion factory in Inazuma. And even then delusions are still VERY rare in the world.
Plus it seems like Dottore made Ursa the drake attack dawn winery on purpose. And what other reason would he have to do that than to silence a defecting spy? Crepus clearly knew something.
We are like halfway through the regions but still only fought 3 harbingers... Story is going to ramp up quickly I feel...
good, I want more quests to engage with :)
I really feel like the 10th seat was occupied by someone who is aligned with Irmisul (someone like Scaramouche) because having a 10th empty spot without anyone mentioning it or not showing up in the lazzo trailer feels pretty sus.
For those who play Honkai: The 10th harbinger could be a Seele xp (fitting if the Tsaritsa is a Bronya xp). And the reason she's missing could be that she got lost in thr abyss (we know the fatui harbingers use to go there to fight the abyss itself), the same way Seele got lost in the Sea of Quanta
When you described the ‘Figaro’ version of Brighella it reminded me of Kaeya so much. His fake smile, always seemingly calm in any situation, he’s pretty cynical in general I’d say and hiding his Khaenria’hn heritage (hiding behind a mask). Also the theory that he and Pierro are blood related. He could definitely be a secret harbinger.
Yeah, but here is one problem... Harbingers rank in power, and i can't believe that Kaeya would be stronger than Childe, no way.
@@Disorder2312 The man is always performing. It’s written in his talent set: Never Ending Performance. It’s also a pretty common trope for the ice prince with Steppford smile to be an absolute secret power house when they finally drop the act.
And Kaeya dresses very much like a proper Fatuus with his theatric, over the top garb. He has the Rennaisance-esque tights, the extravagant layers of impractical decoration (vest, belts, jewelry, that BOA), the way his clothes block themselves into elongated diamond/star shapes (even if it is everywhere in the game and atteibuted to Khaenri’ah) is similar to the flashier Commedia characters (like the Harlequin’s diamond pattern motif), and his overall design is like a more youthful and light version of the Jester.
It would not surprise me if he was supposed to be the Jester’s heir even if they aren’t related by blood and that’s why the crying mask (the face behind Kaeya’s smiling mask) is still on the Harbinger roster. Because the Jester has an understudy. (All a spur of the moment musing. I’m growing more fond of Fatui Kaeya by the hour!)
@@mythogenesis4788 Idk, just Childe's Foul Legacy transformation still remains pretty strong. What Kaeya can possibly do to rival that? You never even explain the point i have said. I can't imagine how would he be more powerful, i did not argue that he's not suitable for the 10th harbinger by other means.
@@Disorder2312
I mean, that “hidden power house” WAS the explanation. Add in that strength doesn’t necissarily mean might (i.e. Pantalone bejng considered weak, but is higher ranking because of his commercial strength or Pulcinella’s political strength).
When I analyze story, I look at it from the perspective of a story-teller and designer. I look at tropes (MHY loves to twist them!) I look at allegory (gotta find those windblooms!) and I look at design intent (in a game full of incredibly unique designs, what motifs do we see shared between characters, and why is that?) What is the message the developers are trying to tell us? What are the connections hidden in plain sight? MHY is VERY good at telling multiple stories simultaneously and tying them together near seamlessly.
Did you really think that Childe had such an ace up his sleeve when he first appeared at your rescue- until you fought him for the first time and he had not one, not two, but THREE boss phases with each serving as an escalation of power and transformation of character? He was a capable, but fairly non-threatening big brother type when we first met him.
And Kaeya is confirmed Khaenri’ahn nobility. He HAS to have some inherent or learned magical abilities. If Childe got Foul Legacy from three months in the abyss as a kid, what did Kaeya, someone likely BORN in the abyss pick up from it? We’ve seen lectors and heralds transform from human to monster. We’ve seen the shadowy husks. We’ve seen abyss tainted gods and monsters.
All of Kaeya’s Talents and skills are screaming at us “This man is not showing you his true strength. He’s just playing the long game.” He never takes a threat too seriously. Abyss mage at the start of the game? How amusing! Dvalin is going nuts and hilichurls are ransacking the city? Hmm. Seems like a good time to go have a “chat” with a contact. Signora, the 8th, behaved in much the same manner.
Then let’s look at the sources they’re based on:
Childe/Tartaglia- Childe is a term for a young lord, often spoiled and meek. Tartaglia is the stutterer, often in a position he’s clumsy and under educated in. (Sounds a lot like our “toy salesman”!) In this identity as a Fatuus, he’s spoiled, clumsy, meek, and (barely) putting on appearances as a respectable career man.
Then there’s Ajax (the great). A fierce, unrelenting, and bloodthirsty warrior who fights entire armies in the Trojan war unscathed. So proud that he would sooner kill himself than face defeat in battle- Yep that sounds like our headstrong Russian ginger.
And then there’s Kaeya. Alberich: OBERON: King of the dwarves (or dark elves/fairies depending in the story referred to). The villain in Wagner’s poetic opera, who renounced love of the Rhine Maidens for untold power in the form of a GOLD ring. Who had the power to become invisible (great skill for an infiltrator). Who, when punished by the gods and stripped of his belongings, curses the GOLD ring to drive anyone but himself mad (inspired LOTR, btw, Alberich is literally Sauron). Whose half mortal son’s (who may actually be Kaeya’s inspiration?) birth marked the beginning of the apocalypse and the end of the gods. Who could not be slain in combat because of his unrivaled magical prowess save for by a fearless and inhumanly powerful warrior: Seigfried.
Seigfried. The name of another MHY character who is a member of the strongest family in the series. A descendent of likely the single strongest human being in the entire franchise engineered for killing god-like beings. That’s what MHY is saying it takes to stop an Alberich. A team of gods, or a warrior meant for godslaying.
@@mythogenesis4788 Omg... I did not ask for so much text. Even though i myself often write that much, but usually on a much more interesting topics. Whatever, let's just assume you have some evidence that you believe in.
I think the 10th harbinger was removed from Irminsul, just like Scaramouche, so no one remember about them. That could explain why both Scaramouche and Childe doesn't have voice line about the 10th and doesn't even say anything about 10th seat, why there wasn't another harbinger in Winter Night's Lazzo, etc. So probably Alice is the only person that actually remembers there was another harbinger (and Heavenly Principle ofc).
I don't know how to explain the constellations of harbingers tho, maybe the crying mask isn't actually Pierro's constellation since he's not a harbinger?? no idea
We've seen what happens when a Fatui Harbinger is deleted, namely people comment on that seat having been empty for Xth number of years that that particular Fatui had been active.
OTOH, the fact that Scaramouche's seat remained empty rather than having been filled by someone else in the new timeline might be an indication that whoever is responsible for filling that seat (Dottore, in Scaramouche 's case) is a Descender and immune to having their memory tampered by those kind of Irminsul temporal shenanigans.
Actually, I'm going to get that Dottore is a Descender because that's the only way that he wouldn't lose all the centuries of study he put into Scaramouche's Archon/Khaenri'ahn-wrought puppet body, which would probably make him a somewhat weaker that, which seems a bit early in the story to happen at this point.
Alice seems to be a descender, knows everything without being seen…. Strange.
This is such an informational and well edited video, it needs more attention you are so underrated
Finding a better editing style was one of my goals for when I started making videos again, so I'm glad you enjoy it!
Plot twist, aloy is the final harbinger.
"You thought it was Aloy, but it was me, DIOna!"
oh we're definitely gonna be joining the fatui some time in the future. Whether temporary or permanent, it doesn't matter
gonna be having a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" moment when we eventually have to fight Celestia/Abyss
I honestly really like the theory that pierro is the 0th harbinger, since i couldnt really see arlechinno which is super valuable to the fatui as she runs the orphanage that raises their soliders or capitano "the strongest individual in teyvat" being number 10
I feel like Capitano HAS to be #1. Childe fanboys over Capitano like no one else. He gets excited at even being noticed by him. There are others that Childe wants to fight (like Varka) but Capitano is at the top of the list and probably for good reason.
What if Kaeya is the 10th Harbinger? During the event quest in 2.4, Eight Locales Over Mountains and Seas, Sara from Good Hunter's said that their chef was busy making a lot of food for the Grand Goth Hotel, yeah the main hideout for the Fatui's. He even went to Wanmin's restaurant to order and sold out the food. Kaeya has been very fishy.
What if it's someone like Dain? He has to be getting his information from somewhere and as far as I know, Dain has never come out against the Fatui. I feel like there's a reason the abyss sibling tells us not to trust Dain. Maybe he's under cover? He and Pierro could be working together to stop the abyss and take down Celestia.
As a fan of the character of Dain, I think I will left Genshin if he is one of the Fatui harbingers
dain gets his info from irminsul
I think Dain, as the highest ranking guard for the Khaenri’ahn Royal family, would be too strong for this position. But if it was someone of a similar position would be fascinating.
@@mythogenesis4788 The notion that there is a khaenrian survivors colony somewhere lives rent free in my head.
I would like to see other survivors pop up. Especially with the idea that some of them followed Pierro because he was able to help them or pseudo help them. In turn, they served as the beginnings of the Fatui.
Dain himself is intriguing, because there's a lot we just don't know about him.
He states he was traveling partners with our sibling, yet there's no record of him with our sibling so far. We know the journey started in Sumeru. The Aranara never mention Dain. The answer to that is it's likely he found the sibling later on, but it makes you wonder.
NGL, since hoyo dropped the Pierro lore and introduced what seemed to be a cloaking device in 3.3, for a hot second I thought Pierro and Dain might be the same person. The Halfdan stuff sort of kills that though.
I will say it's interesting we've never seen Dain raise a sword. He's only ever used his powers, much in a way that a catalyst user or a mage would.
Dain's trying to stop the loom of fate operation, but why? Did he set this task for himself as penance due to his past sins or did someone convince him he needed to stop it? One thing he specifically mentions is if he and the traveler succeed, that “Fate will be ours to re-weave.” Why would the Captain of the Royal Guard want to re-weave fate? Is he trying to undo his past failings or is he planning to hand the responsibility off to someone else once it’s done? Let’s not forget that part of the Fatui’s overall goal is to create a new world that is free of Celestia’s rule. Rewriting fate to make it so Celestia never even gains control is a possibility.
I know he gets his information from Irminsul, but information on the eye of the first field tiller seems like an oddly specific thing to search for given Irminsul is a record of the world. How would he know to look for it at all? How does he know they’re planning to build a god? This wouldn’t be a spur of the moment plan. It’s something they’ve been working on for quite awhile. Did Dain discover it while spying on the Abyss or did someone tell him?
Then there’s the eye itself. We still don't know where the eye is hidden. Dain specifically mentions the Abyss Order can grab it from anywhere, so it's likely in a place where it's protected/guarded. Dain doesn't tie to any nation, so taking it to Pierro for safe keeping makes sense, unless there's some super secret place the Abyss Order can't reach.
The Fatui are also seemingly unconcerned with the Abyss and their actions. You would think Pierro might be a little worried about someone else trying to go for Celestia as well, but he's not. In fact, it feels like that situation is very much under control. Could he have someone in place handling all of that?
Due to his connection with Irminsul, Dain would be an attractive get for Pierro in the early days of the Fatui. Since Pierro is into the whole manipulation thing, he could easily sway and use Dain for his benefit. The trick is, what happens after. Since Scara doesn't mention them, the proposed missing harbinger was either already out of the picture by the time Scara was recruited or Scara doesn't know about them.
For me personally, I feel like at some point soon we're due for a major betrayal. It's been a minute since that's happened. The traveler is far too trusting and eventually that has to come back to bite us. Time will tell though.
Also, sorry this got so long. :)
Well, now there is no more debate, the "missing harbinger" exists, and is the number 10.
Now that 4.1 just started maybe we will see something else about this misterious person.
my favourite of your theories has to be the Comico one. The name itself reminds me of the world cosmos = universe, so Comico being a descender is so likely. My guess however is that Comico is not the 10th but the secretly 1st. Someone that is never shown even to the lower ranked harbingers or just spends their entire time hidden on purpose… or what i like to think, is that because Comico is so important to the fatui, they never leave The Tsaritsa’s side. something like how paimon is always around us. Comico may even be a similar size to paimon or just has a unique design. but who knows. anyway, the fatui are so interesting and this video was too!
Comico comes from the root of the word Comedy. Not cosmos.
I do think it would be cool if a guy named comico was secretly super strong, but the seat of 10th harbinger still fits just fine. He’d still be super strong. Childe for example is stronger than most of the people we’ve met in our travels and he’s only the 11th.
I do think we’ve met a few normal people who could beat childe (namely: Diluc, Eula, Beidou, Yelan, Hu Tao, Shenhe, Alhaitham, and Cyno) (also possibly Ayato and Jean but they might not quite be up to it) (and obviously an adeptus like Xiao and any of the archons could kick his ass).
Childe is very strong but even in his foul legacy transformation he’s not that much stronger than in his other forms, and he can only stay in that form for limited amounts of time.
Lessgooo, loved this video and very excited for upcoming videos!! Specially north of mondstadt video.
The other strong candidate is Yelan, she's so mysterious and childe even gave the casino to her, yelan also had a interaction with pantalone,,, and if you're done on her story quest, she said something on how fatui especially arlechinno can find him even if he hides
Yelan stole Pantalone's gift for Tsaritsa and took apart the fatui plot in Liyue. Childe never gave the casino to her but only took down the previous owner. She only told the man in her story quest that the fatui could find her so she could make him give up info.
I would enjoy this
The moment I heard about the number 10 being missing it instantly make me think maybe the abyss sibling could be number 10
And I started to think we know they are extremely powerful and has lot of resources but I don't think they would cooperate with fatuis that what would be why their ranks is very low (but not the last cuz Childe is really really the worst compared to others)
And when I learned that abyss sibling and pierro know each other it made me also think maybe abyss sibling asked pierro to creat fatuis and gather gnosis
This is probably not true but if it could then abyss sibling is literally playing 4d chess with the world
What if the Innamorat is indeed about the Traveler? There's a theory what was born after La Signora passed: what if the Traveler will take the empty seat (or maybe the missing seat, the 10th), they're against them that's right, after learning what Dottore did to Scaramouche they might be even more against the Fatui now, but what if by the time we reach Snezhnaya, we end up in a situation where we need a strong ally like this group or the archon herself? (or just a specific member's alliance) or where we're being forced into an alliance with them so we take the 10th seat as both older and stronger than the 11th? (Sorry Tartaglia-) Traveler is very well capable of joining forces with anyone if the Traveler needs it or has profit from it. They can come pretty handy if they're going up against Celestia anyways, in that point of having something against a god or more gods is matching with the Fatui.
Or what if it was taken by the sibling BEFORE they left for the Abyss order? The sibling knew Pierro, so maayybeee it was their seat for a while, and is now waiting for the Traveler to take that place? This would work for such a double role as the LoverS (even tho I didn't mean to imply any romantic relation between the twins pls don't take it in the wrong way-)
If that's the truth, I can't wait for our own Harbinger intro
@@sagehoff969 That would be so amazing!
Traveller would be beyond 10th seat by then. He’s gonna be 3rd.
@@1mol831 the Traveler will already be somewhere at top 3, cause we already control all 7 elements
I love genshin theory videos even though I don't batshit aside from what happens in quest alike even then I forget alot so videos like these are great
I really like your idea of Brighella,and i have some maybe crazy theory about who was the 10th Fatui and why this number is vacant now.
The 10th was a Collei,yeah i know it sounds crazy,but there are several pieces of evidence that makes this theory quite possible.
1. Is manga,in manga we know she was in Sneznaya and was a guinea pig for Dottore, but she was a successful experiment and Dottore himself said - you started as a despicable,ugly minion,but i molded you into beautiful,perfect being, you are deserving a reward. The reward most likely refers to entering Fatui harbingers as a 10th and finally leaving his lab.
2.Brighella description - cowardly, avoiding fights, nervousness, doesn't it sounds like a Collei who is still trying to find courage, another trait is escape artist - Collei was clever or illusive enough to escape from Fatui and arriving at Monstadt.
3.Her powers were difficult for her to control, and she was without her dendro power and used a black flame which is more suitable for Harbinger during her Monstadt revenge arc,and definitely she looks more powerful than duo element Tartaglia,since black flames are more impressive than water + electricity.
4.Winter Scherzzo trailer, this trailer was presenting all Harbingers plus a Collei, and at first you would think that it's just her introduction to Sumeru arc, but the Tighnari is only a voice over, so why Collei having a actual appearance in trailer which is showing only harbingers and right after Dottore?
5.Dottore, he is number 2 and most likely have enough authority to make Collei a number 10th or asking Pierro to do this.
That's how i see it was - after surviving all of Dottore crazy experiments and impressing him with such success,he made a Collei number 10, she was either lost all hope or was actually waiting for this moment to escape, after her escape from Fatui her number becomes vacant and no one replaced her even now.
Paimon disappearing could just be a gamplay convenience. But, give how meticulous and calculative hoyoverse can be, its not impossible.
I cant hide anymore,Im the tenth harbinger
You know, that other theory that says Kaeya and Jester are related comes to mind suddenly. That would be expectedly unexpected non?
Certainly is an interesting thought, though it feels shallow when we have far more to go off of that Pierro IS the First Harbinger and still is, than he isn't. As well as the reasonings for him not being the first generally not having much weight and feeling very much like it's a grasp at straws.
We actually don't have any confirmation that Pierro is the First Harbinger. Tartaglia's voiceline tells us that he once was, but is now the Leader of the Harbingers, being the Director instead. Him being the Director has confirmation in the description for A Winter Night's Lazzo, while him still being the First has no confirmation.
@@SiliconOneFour Most of your reply just proves my point lmao
Argument 1: "Tartaglia's voiceline tells us that he once was, but is now the Leader of the Harbingers, being the Director instead."
said voiceline says: "**He was the first ever Fatui Harbinger, and today he is our leader.** He only appears on important occasions. As for his accomplishments... To be honest, I don't really care. I owe my loyalty and devotion to the Tsaritsa, no one else."
That doesn't imply that he stopped being the first harbinger and ascended to a higher role, nor do I see how that can be confused that's the case. He said he was in past tense the first Fatui in past tense because those events are in the past, hence "past tense". It doesn't mean he stopped being the first Fatui, that doesn't make sense.
Argument 2: "Him being the Director has confirmation in the description for A Winter Night's Lazzo, while him still being the First has no confirmation."
Again, that has very little to stand off of considering all we know. I don't want to argue whether or not he's been confirmed to be the first Harbinger, because I'll be blunt, **he hasn't.** But you're assuming the top ranked spot and the term "Director" have zero correspondence because it's not said flat out "Yes he's #1." which makes no sense considering every single sign we know of that points to him being the first.
His name meaning "sad clown" with a clown mask on the Constellation board?
Him having a codename to begin with which is blatantly said to only be bestowed onto Harbingers?
The "commedia dell'arte" which the Harbingers are **directly taken from** only having 11 characters?
It makes no sense.
I think it s a spoiler so i wont say it anymore. Just wait and see
I think this theory is still quite valid! As of the 4.1 archon quest, Arlecchino is confirmed to be no. 4!!
Yay!
Maybe that seat is saved for the traveler
I talked about this idea in the video, and while I think the Traveler wouldn't want to join, the idea that it's saved for them is very interesting.
the fatui is not a solid faction as it seems, with each one having their own interests.
im pretty sure there is a divide in loyalty here,
tsaritsa faction and pierro faction
having the traveler tips the scales, and i believe a Civil War in Winter Snezhnaya will happen once the traveler comes in as another piece of their chessboard
If i was to choose as traveler I’d pick fatui side for the final battle as celestia (the 2nd throne and not phanes) is clearly a tyrant.
I think it's interesting to consider fischl. In all fischls trailers and cutscenes the fatui leitmotif plays, and we know fischl (the character not Amy) traveled to teyvat from her own world the immernagcht riech and would be a descender. Maybe the real fischl is an actual character who works for the fatui and the reason we haven't seen any teasers of her is because it'd be a massive spoiler. I think that this is kinda a crack theory but the fatui lietmotif every time fischl is on screen can't be an accident
This would actually be hilarious if true. But I think the reason it plays in relation to fischl is due to the theatre and opera themes of the harbingers, fischl also encapsulating that energy. I do kinda like your idea though, and to kinda add onto it the idea of fischl's power being "ten" is mentioned in the princess fischl story which could connect her to the tenth placement. Amy (our fischl's real name) is also the name of a demon in the Ars Goetia which means she might have more importance than we expect.
The idea that she's more powerful than we expect or has a variant that could be a 5 star I think is actually somewhat likely and I think the tenth harbinger being fischl would be a neat way of accomplishing that. I suppose we'll see soon enough though.
I hope it's kaeya
He deserves to be a 5*
@@xivering fr thay gonna rerealese him as 5 star or give him a 5star skin
Scapino sounds like The Unusual Hilichurl
There's also that other missing Fatui Harbinger. I think they were number 6 or something. None of the other Harbingers seem to know what I'm talking about, insisting that there hasn't been a number 6 spot for ages. I dunno. Something doesn't add up.
I place my bets on Rosaria, Yanfei, Nilou and Heizou. Get ready for the betrayal arc!!
- Interesting theory, but I'm not sure if Pierro isn't No.1 or not bc I saw that Tartaglia's voiceline about the Jester in CN version said he "is" the first harbinger, and the leader of the harbingers today. Also in jp, if my japenese listening skill is good enough, I think he said "He is the first Fatui harbinger, and also the current leader of the Fatui harbinger".
- I don't think there's a miss harbinger seat bc if there's an empty seat in the beginning, I think there should be mentioned in the conversation between Mikhail and Lyudmila either after the death of Signora or after Scaramouche erased memories of him from Teyvat. It should be either the missing No.10 didn't show up in Signora's funeral, or Pierro is No.1, Capitano No.4 and Arlecchino is No. 10
- About Capitano, I think he can be the either No.1(If Pierro is really not No.1) or No. 4. Being No.4 can also mean that he's 1 of strongest human, while No. 3 or higher aren't human(at least currently aren't).
- About Arlecchino, there's some dialogue from hidden side quest Inazuma that make me don't think she is No.4. Efim Snezhevich in the hidden quest said that Signora's death is a good opportunity for him to raise Arlecchino's prestige. If she really is No.4, I don't know why her subordinate need to raise her prestige after someone who rank lower than her died.
For Capitano, being the strongest human and maybe even the strongest being made me think he is likely number one. For Arlecchino, while yes her subordinates wanted to raise her prestige, that means they basically just wanted to improve her image, as prestige is more based on respect and admiration.
@@SiliconOneFour I think the bigger rank should have more respect and admiration too. I think it would make a lot more sense if her subordinate said it's just an order for Arlecchino herself or complained about having to clear the aftermath of Signora's death or not saying anything about raising her prestige
Right now, I'm more believe that the No.1, 4 and 10 seat are either
Pierro No.1, Capitano No.4 and Arlecchino No.10.
or
Capitano No.1, Mystery character No.4 and Arlecchino No.10.
@@cardnacn6704 The ranks are based on power and strength, not respect. Scara was Number 6, but not many of the Fatui soldiers liked him. Then Childe is Number 11, and he seems like he'd be more liked.
@@SiliconOneFour Maybe, but that line and the voiceline order really mess my head. Just why did her subordinate want to up her prestige, if she really is No.4? Is there any purpose for her to do that if her number is so high?
@@cardnacn6704 Perhaps the soldier wanted to up her prestige for their own gain. Additionally, they may have wanted to up her prestige in Inazuma specifically after Signora died to show the Fatui can still have power there.
Kaeya is brigella hc comfirmed
Honestly that would be a pretty interesting twist, and would also explain why the Tenth isn't mentioned.
What if the fancy mech Sandrone is sitting in is actually another separate harbinger? I mean, they have a puppet so why not a robot too?
I think it's interesting that most of what we've seen from the Fatui-- the masked roles are opposites to the characters themselves. There is a 'these are the masks we wear' sort of thing going on here, but having one of the harbingers actually fit the masked role would be an exception.
It's interesting that this theory is based off of the idea that the first isn't Pierro, given how Pierro is heavily assumed to be the 1st, with the Captain in the 4th and the Knave in the 10th. There ARE 11, and it would be weird if one of the Harbingers weren't there to send off their member. That seems to be the only linking factor, given that they all serve the cryo archon. Sending off Signora was a majorly important event that gathered all but the first in your theory... so while it looks unlikely given that there are 11 important characters related to the Harbingers, I'm curious to see if it's right, or if we may see these characters at some point in the future. I do also feel like they would have referenced that whatever missing seat was vacant if it was along with Scara, since the conversation was about the power of the Fatui. So it's most likely not empty. Stuff like this keeps the game super exciting :)
What if its The robot Sandrone has?
Maybe it was us in the future…
You know after seeing the other harbinger I remember that the harbinger that introduce us is the ONE OF 16 POPULAR OR BETTER KNOW CHARACTERS in commedia dellarte and there are only 5 left
Are
The innamorati (male and female)
Gianduja
Pedrolino
Brighella
To me I think it can't be
The innamorati since its two characters in one title
Brighella probably not since we already had the same greeddy and money of another harbinger
Pedrolino doesn't fit since in commedia dellarte pedrolino always mistaken as pierro for being the same role they play
And Last GIANDUJA will probably the better since he's role is kind of a cheff who runs who had farms, food and probably restaurant and he's mask depict an honest peasant of piedmontese countryland with a certain inclination of wine and gastronomy
The only thing I know for sure is the Arlecchino is definitely a counterpart to Raven from Honkai and I will pull on Sandrone’s banner
welcome back sir
the missing fatui is timmy and you cant change my mind
My (mostly made up) theory is:
As soon as Pierro got promoted from the "First Harbinger" to the "Director" (when there were just 9 of them) he recruited two more people to fill in the ranks: Capitano and Tartaglia. Capitano undoubtedly breezed through all the tests with excellence, but Childe, while being impressive in combat, had one glaring flaw, that being his body could barely withstand the effect of Delusion, which is deemed shameful because delusions were considered a gift from the Tsaritsa herself.
So in the end, Pierro chose Capitano as his successor of Number 1. As for Childe, after much controversy and negotiations, was awarded the last position, signifying his place as lower than the rest of the other Harbingers, while No. 10 remains empty to this day.
I think you confuse his delusion with his foul legacy - which is abyssal magic and thus hard for him to maintain without damaging his body ~ Unless he also has problems with his delusions and I just didn´t know haha
Bruh imagen getting ranked 11 from 10 people 💀
Pulcinella was the one to recruit Childe though, not Pierro. Childe also didn't get his delusion until he became a Harbinger, and it's not even the delusion that he has problems with, it's his Foul Legacy transformation, which is an abyssal technique
It's canon that pulcinella is the one who suggested to make Childe a harbinger,not Pierro
@@Ben-vg6ox yah he sugsested but pierro and tsaritsa have the final say
Brighella sounds too much like Kaeya. If it were him, a sleeper agent being a low down harbinger as well makes sense. It's why he's still pressured to side with Khaenriah, because Pierro IS keeping close watch.
I feel like if Kaeya IS a sleeper agent and the 10th harbinger, he’s probably a double agent that actually sides with Mondstadt. Because all the people he actually cares about are in mondstadt. All the people that raises him and care about him. Meanwhile the fatui use their harbingers as tools and that’s it.
Wait why can't Pierro be both the director and the 1st harbinger? I mean yeah it's confirmed that Pierro is the director but nobody said that he isn't the 1st harbinger?
It is possible that he is both, but to me it seems far more likely that he is just the Director. The description for a Winter Night's Lazzo only says Director, not Director and Harbinger, plus Tartaglia's voiceline on him gives the idea that Pierro was once a Harbinger, but now is the Director. I've also seen the idea that he acts as sort of "Number 0" of the Harbingers if you will.
If in the description of the Winter Night's Lazzo it says next to every harbinger that they are harbinger, why wouldn't it say that Pierro is the harbinger as well? Only because he also have the title of the director? That doesn't make any sense. On top of that, it's kinda hard for me to believe that Capitano is the 4th, with how stupidly strong he is being presented. (that was said he can kill a ruin guard with one of the Klee's pencils, kinda god-like in my opinion, so he can't be lower than 3)
love the video but if you check The Constellations of the Eleven Harbingers you can only see 11 of them. Even Pierro has it in the constellations (mask that is crying) maybe is pierro the first harbringer and not the director
I am aware of this. This is why I said at the end that the Tenth seat may be empty at this point in time. The mask hasn't been confirmed as Pierro's constellation either, though it is likely.
@@SiliconOneFour Piero is the Jester. The crying mask is the Jester lol wdym
@@schopenhauer5427 It’s likely yes, but we don’t have confirmation. I agree that it probably is him, I’m just saying it hasn’t been confirmed.
As per what leaks say, Capitano is first. You can think of Pierro as being zero, leaks only states that he's the director.
@@rafaelbittencourtmiranda4338 if you check the description of the fatui trailer ( a winter night's lazzo). It is confirmed/stated there that Pierro is the director of the fatui and the rest are labelled as fatui harbinger.
Leak allert:
But yes, the leaks further expanded that Pierro is not counted on the 11 fatui harbingers and that capitano is indeed number 1 and the 10th seat is vacant
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Is Literally Always One Step Ahead Of The Traveler✔️
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Is Only Ever Found In A City With A Notable Fatui Presence ✔️
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Liben is the 10th Fatui Harbinger.
still not sure about pierro being the ''director'' during the 3.3 when scara talk about pierro living with our sibling the traveler say "The Jester, another Fatui Harbinger..." of course he don't know the exact hierachy among them but yeah
I have have a few suspect for a potential phantom harbinger but still not convinced about this ''director'' thing
He is confirmed as the Director in the description for A Winter Night’s Lazzo
@@SiliconOneFour yeah i saw it, what I mean is, being director don't mean is not the n°1. But I guess we have to wait and see
I like than in little more than a week some confusion will be cleared (Since during 4.1 they *have* to declare Arlecchino's rank)
If Arlecchino is the 4th, then this means that we are without a doubt missing the one on the 10th seat (Because Childe's voiceline already makes it clear that Capitano is not the 10th).
If Arlecchino is the 10th, then this will likely mean that there wasn't a "twelve harbinger" to begin with and all of this was a misunderstanding.
Because it would be really really weird for Capitano to be the 1st knowing that there is no way for him lore wise to be more valuable in the organization than someone like Dottore, this means that if we still follow the "Twelve seat" theory we have to claim that this twelve person is the 1st (And I mean, sure why not lol).
In the end, I like the theory, is just that I don't agree with the concept of more than 11 harbingers.
i do think we will join the fatui come the end of the schneshnaya arc. we almost have to. buth for most of not all the harbingers to become playable but more so for tsaritsa to be.
I think the innamorati won't be one but 2 harbingers and they are the replacements for Signora and scara and honestly idk why but I always feel like they could be lyney and Lynette
Pantalone wanted to erase the connection of Gods to humans, knowing that visions create an imbalance of power in humans. Thus, his idea of "fair exchange" referred only to a "humane" principle.
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I think that the traveller will become the 6th harbinger when they go to Snezhnaya. They will take the spot of the balladeer
Also what if the 10th Harbinger was us from either future who did some mistakes and wants to change that (maybe loosing our sibling) or us from past who came to do some serious things and is the one no one knews about for safety reasons, which turned out to be useful after some tragedy happened in which we lost our memories? Sounds interesting to me but idk it's just a random thought
What if... the 10th is Otto Apocalypse "The Lover" Innamorati, the real Otto who was able to save Kallen and give her another chance at life becoming a hero, while he got casted out of that timeline or space what ever it was that he got into, and got sent to Teyvat.
The music ? The narration ? Your voice ? Everything is on point in this video.
Anyway here my list of the possible contender of the empty seats and the 10th seat.
Skirk
Alice
Chiyo
Nathan
Dorian (Primordial Albedo)
Ajax big brother?
Ouroboros (snake god worshiped along side Orobashi).
Ps01: I would love you to do a video about Iansan and Natlan as a whole.
Ps02: Also... your thought on Xiao (or the Yakshas) and Azdaha coming from Sumeru (you know persian name n stuff) ?
Thank you so much! And those are all good ideas! Skirk seems very interesting actually, I would love to see that.
And I would love to take a look into those video ideas, so thank you!
Okay this is not directly to the theme of harbingers, but i have a question/random thought that occurred to me at night. I was just thinking about why the only playable characters do have vision? I know it's probably because of how the game works, because who would want a character that doesn't have an element? But there could be also some other power like the one Dainsleif has and there are also delusions, which could be banned as playable characters because of the unstability, but still? Then I realized that the visions came from the celestia (or how the speculations go i think) and what if we, as a traveller, are slowly becoming one with celestia, by using and manipulating only characters that have visions that are linked to that? Okay I know that it's said that when we get characters they are accompanying us on our adventure, but I just think it would be an interesting turn of events if in the end colecting characters would be against their will and plan of celestia to somehow make them work with us instead with the Fatui/Abyss sibling.
What if! The 10th fatui harbinger is currently judged or imprisoned in Fontaine
The constellation of the harbringer are match with their number and the number of their apperance on the trailer, i doubt they have secret member.
And i dont think mihoyo gonna fill the empty seat of scara and signora. Its gonna be too much and the other enemy faction gonna have ranking too like the abyss and celestia.
comico might be skirk, I don't believe alice would be the harbinger, sure she has what it got but she's too weird for being a fatui, skirk on the other hand is very acceptable,
1. remember wanderer's voice about jester? he always given task by both jester and dottore, one of them is come and go to the abyss for some work, might do something to abyss activity, skirk also resides in the abyss like what childe told so in his voiceline, he was saved while he bonked to the abyss
2. this is my theory, but I think delusion is not tsaritsa's gnosis power, every archon has an ability for their gnosis, what we knew is morax to make moras, then seeing that tsaritsa is used to be a goddess of love, delusion might not be it, I think the experiment in abyss might do the thing, even abyss took barbatos's statue back then, might also do experiment against celestia, and tsaritsa used the abyss power somehow to counterpart the vision. this thing can't be made easily, someone needs to control the task, skirk might done that, sadly balladeer is one of those experiment done
3. that comico meant play's world, the theory of teyvat has fake star and sky, meant that all the time this teyvat also a fake world, and abyss is one of the way out teyvats law, maybe she is supervised the activity of the outer world, maybe
I'm not too good at explaining, alice might be a descender, but the theory that she is a fatui is kinda strange, tho she has many suspicious activity going on, the least is how often she has commmunicate with some archon and the illluminated being around makes me wonder that there's a chance she also helped tsaritsa with something, maybe an information or something
The Hexenzirkel is sus...I feel like maybe the missing harbinger could be there
Ofc one is missing. We erased him
I think it is the robot 10th fatui member is the robot that sandrone uses
I think the game is very clear that Pierro is the Seat #1 in the fatui harbingers, there's no one missing
It's not actually, it's rather vague with Pierro's spot. While he is "The First Fatuus," this is just referencing how he created the Fatui alongside the Tsaritsa. Additionally, the description for A Winter Night's Lazzo tells that he is in fact the Director.
So far, Jester is Consider Directer and likely Rank 1 of the Fatui.
No he,s not he,s the head of the fatui but not nr.1
The Jester is the Director yes, but is no longer a Harbinger.
@Grunty Gaming He hasn’t been confirmed as the first, but has been confirmed as the Director and the former First Harbinger
@Grunty Gaming Tartaglia’s voiceline about him says he WAS the First Harbinger, and is NOW their leader, which suggests he isn’t ranked in the Harbingers.
Plot twist: what if both twins join the fatui, and together symbolize the lovers.
Considering the 6th spot has been empty for 500 years nothing makes sense 😂
We need someone to make a joke video speculating who the 6th is, after scara's story
doesnt make sense pierro not being the rank 1 when you consider that banner showing all harbingers constellations, so if the mask is his constellation but he is not on the ranks because he is the leader then we would have 12 constellations on that banner to fit the missing harbinger. to fit the missing harbinger that would have to not be his constellation and instead be from someone else probably dottore, capitano or the missing harbinger. I looked the wiki and I think that pierro is rank 1 but people just call him the leader, capitano is the rank 4 and arlecchinho is rank 10
Like I said, the 10th Seat could just be empty, but Pierro has been confirmed as the Director, but not as the First.
I don't think there's a missing spot other than Scaramouche's and of course Signora's
Zhongwi make good theory
Subtrackting the pantalone part dude sounds like kaeya
Comico might be the other twins. He/She might be cooperating with tsaritsa
The tenth is likely either reserved for the traveler or reserved for Innamurata (the lover)- who may very well be the Tsaritsa herself. But if the tenth is Kaeya, a Zanni, I will lose my shit.
Zanni is gud
kaeya.... kaeya is suspicious!
I googled and it says arlecchino
@@cinnamon4954 fake
Initial list of harbingers:1.Pierro, 2. Dottore, 3. Columbina 4.unknown, 5. Pulcinella, 6. Scaramouche 7. Sandrone, 8. La Signora, 9. Pantalone, 10. unknown, 11. Tartaglia
Rank unknown: Capitano, Arlecchino. One of them is number 4 the other is number 10. Or did I not understand something?
It might be possible that Pierrot, being the Director, doesn't have a number or is 0. That would leave a spot for a missing one. The symbol for the Harbingers does include 12 symbols after all. Maybe Pierrot is symbolised by the Fatui symbol and not any of the other 11?
We look at the description of the artifacts of the Pale Flame set: Mocking Mask «My name is Pierro, The Jester.» Stainless Bloom- «The first Fatuus gave power to a young woman in whom the flame of life had all but died,» Wise Doctor's Pinion -«Following a trail of rumors of heresy, the first of the Fatui tracked him down...» Here are the words of Tartaglia from his voice remarks -About The Jester-«He was the first ever Fatui Harbinger, and today he is our leader.» It can be assumed that he is still number one. But we will find out the truth in the game in the future!
Pierro was the First Harbinger, but he no longer is a Harbinger. He is instead the Director of the Fatui. This is confirmed in the description for A Winter Night's Lazzo. Being the First Fatuus doesn't mean he is still the First Harbinger either. And as for Tartaglia's voiceline, the use of "was" shows he no longer is a Harbinger, but is ranked above them.
@@SiliconOneFour Argument,Thank you!
Nobody:
Highly unlikely theory by me:
Imagine if the Abyss Sibling is in some way connected to the Harbingers. After they both do want the destruction of Celestia. But plot twist, the 10th seat left open was left open for TRAVELLER because the Abyss Sibling expects and has made the Fatui believe his sibling to see the truth by the end of the journey and join his/her side.
Idk, sounds long shot but yeah
What if i told you..... Irminsul was previously hacked to erase Harbinger #10...
The Main Headquarters of Adventurer's Guild is located in Snezhnaya which is known to be led & founded by the Descender Alice...so is she The Comico of the Fatui?
In the end we will understand the doing of the fatui and will join hands with them against the Celestia so ot is possible that one seat in Fatui Harbinger is reserved for the traveller.
Mondstandt: Honorary Knight
Liyue: Honored Guest
Inazuma: Swordfish 2 Captain
Sumeru: Firsy Sage of Buer
Fontaine: ?
Natlan: ?
Snezhnaya: Fatui Harbinger #?
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the thing is, is pierro not a fatui harbringer? Everyone says there are the "11 fatui harbringers", so does he not count since he doesnt hold a place in the rankings?
Paimon is from the aers goetia as king paimon, so I don't feel they would a fatui member and be from celestia instead.
Pierro is the Director of the Harbingers, so their boss. He doesn’t hold a place among the Eleven, but I still mentioned him because he is their boss.
And as for Paimon, I said I had my doubts, and I don’t really believe she is one.
all we need now is a first meeting with pierro and he gets a name drop of "1st harbinger". then this theory would be debunked. but until then, the thought of a missing harbinger is very interesting indeed!
He’s actually been confirmed as the Director and no longer a Harbinger.
Or the game showing capitona or arlechino ranking 4 & 10. Then all this theory from leaker will be dead.
@@harfi212 i always though this was the case since didnt we get confirmation that capitano is the strongest human, implaying he isnt the strongest amongst the fatui since the top 3 arent human, aka dottore, columbina and pierro.
@@catsouplover7745 yep, its from varka letter that mika read.
Those leak ranking are making a lot of people in shamble and taking it like somekind of truth. Why the f 10th seat is even empty ? Far stretch bs theory.
I guess some people dont accept arlechino is low ranking and capitano is not higher coz dottore is no 2. I really cant wait for the game officially tell their rank and be done with this.
@@SiliconOneFour I m just going to leave this here:
wiki footnote on the Harbinger page
Given that all other seats are known, Capitano and Arlecchino are likely the currently unidentified Fourth and Tenth seats, respectively, based on Tartaglia's remark that he is too low-ranked for Capitano to notice him and Efim's desire to take advantage of Signora's death to raise Arlecchino's prestige. If The Jester's directorial role is a different role than the First seat (which has been neither confirmed nor denied), then it's possible that one of them may occupy the first seat too. However, no official confirmation on their ranks has been given.
references:
- Archon Quest, Interlude Chapter, Act III - Inversion of Genesis, Part 1: The Night-Bird Falls at the Curtain's Call
- RUclips: Teyvat Chapter Interlude Teaser: A Winter Night's Lazzo
- Tartaglia's Character Story: Delusion
He was confirmed to be director, but never confirmed to not be a harbinger. Your theory is built on the assumption that the two roles do not overlap, which I think it is fine because it's a theory.
My theory is that Kaeya is the 10th harbinger which is according to leaks is the missing one
I mean kaeya is from khaenriah and is Hella sus
Or, hear me out, Pierro is both number 1 and the director as the director and number 1 can be the same, leaving Capitano as number 4 and Arlecchino as number 10
I bet our twin is the 10th harbinger
It might be kaeya or traveller the 10th harbinger
I've read some comments and thought about the 10th being Kaeya.
He is shady,.. so is his unorthodox Vision, but he is more abyss-kind-of-suspicious and less Fatui-like.
+ I want to see how/if he interacts with the Fatui and/or Dainsleif someday to figure out where he is aligning himself in this conflict.
Kaeya actually went against the Fatui plans in Mondstadt in the manga, so him being a Harbinger is almost 0% chance
Dainslef is a different case though, even if he hate gods this doesn't prevent him being a harbinger because:
-Scaramouch was once a harbinger and he hate all gods and humans
-Arlecchino is, according to Tartaglia, not loyal to Tsaritsa
Anyway, Abyss order is described by Diluc as "all mankind shared enemy", Fatui and Abyss are enemies clearly even if both are against Heavenly Principles, so Deinslef going against Abyss order wont prevent him being a harbinger
Also it's weird that there are 11 harbingers why not 12 or 13?
Unless Pierro is considered to be something far more than the ranking of the fatui harbingers, the ranking does add up and no one is missing. 1-Pierro
2-Dottore
3-Columbina
4-Capitano
5-Pullcinela
6-Scaramouche
7-Sandrome
8-Rosaline
9-Pantalone
10-Arlechino
11-Tartaglia
So only if Pierro doesn't fit in the ranking and Capitano is actually first on the ranking, then Arlechino on 6th, then it would make sense for a person to be missing
Dude Pierro is the first harbinger 🤦♂️
Dude, that was never confirmed 🤦♂ He was never called a harbinger. That being said, he was only called as the director of the Fatui. Of course, he is the strongest of them all, but that doesn't mean he is a harbinger.
Pierro
Dottore
Columbina
Capitano
Pulchinella (rooster guy)
Scaramouche
Sandrone
La Signora
Regrator
Arlecchino
Tartaglia
Pierro is not actually a Harbinger anymore. While he was the First Harbinger, at some point he instead became the Director. The order I presented in the video has support too, as I mentioned with Tartaglia and Wanderer's voicelines.
Everyone stop complaining about him saying 3 harbingers stronger than archon's because there is truth to it nahida quite said she is powerless against the doctor and she is a archon so I would say term "being stronger than archon" is right
it seems that many people miss the obvious details and therefore have questions, well, I will answer everything.
Why is Capitano most likely rank 1 and Arlecchino 4, and Jester is the director of fatui?
Refutation of counterarguments, and arguments in favor of this theory.
>Wasn't it said that Pierro is the first rank?
No, it was only said that he was the very first fatui harbinger/the first ever harbinger, marking the date of entry and not the rank.
Also, in the Chinese original, Pierro was never mentioned by rank, all references speak of him as the very first fatui, the original, standing at the origins.
>Why then are there 11 harbingers, but now there are 10 of them for some reason?
Because 11 harbingers is the number of seats, and not active participants in the organization, Dottore was not represented as the second of the ten harbingers of fatui after the death of the Signora.
>Why then doesn't Tartaglia take the empty tenth place?
Exactly because Sandrone does not take the sixth place of Scaramouche or Pantalone the 8th place of the Signora.Even despite the higher empty ranks, harbingers can remain in their lower positions.
>Why then the 10th place was not mentioned fatui from Monstadt and was not mentioned anywhere at all?
To support the intrigue, questions and a sense of interest in the fandom, in hiding the ranks and meaning, and such information that may turn out to be an unexpected plot twist cannot be so disclosed in a random dialogue, it will kill the whole intrigue, reveal the secret, and by elimination will reveal the remaining ranks.
>Why then is the Pierro symbol in the harbinger wheel?
To begin with, this symbol is not yet confirmed, and it is not a fact that it refers to Pierro.Even so, Pierro was the very first harbinger of fatui according to Tartaglia.
"He was the first EVER harbinger,and TODAY he is our LEADER "
That is, he was already a harbinger and his symbol can enter the wheel, also nothing prevents the leader of the harbingers from being in the harbinger wheel, also, the Pierro symbol can be a mask on top of all the harbinger symbols.
>Why would Arlecchino's servants raise her prestige if she's at rank 4?
Because they, as her debtors from the orphanage, want to thank their benefactor,Arlecchino.Prestige has nothing to do with rank, it speaks of reputation, the reason why the Signora is mentioned is that the Signora caused a mess by the failure of fatui's plans and her death, which is a great time to put Arlecchino in the best light on this contrast. Prestige does not affect the rank, the rank depends on the strength of the harbinger, so this remark is untenable.
>Why then does the teaser description say that all the harbingers have gathered?
Because virtually all the harbingers have gathered, because Pierro can be the leader of the harbingers, but not enter the numbering, thereby entering the organization of harbingers,the 10th place that did not come may simply be empty, so there is no contradiction here.
>If in the order of the voice lines, 1 rank Capitano and 4 Arlecchino, why then in the order of the voice lines Signora and Scaramouche are the last, if they do not occupy the last places in the fatui?
Because Signora is dead, and Scaramouche has left the organization, moreover, Scaramouche has already been removed from the voice lines about the harbingers.
> There can be no other harbinger, which was not shown, why he did not come if Pierro and Tsaritsa called everyone?
On the example of the 6th and 8th positions, the places in fatui may be empty and will not be replaced, the place may simply be empty because the 10th harbinger left or died, or simply did not appear and did not obey the demand.
>If Capitano was number one, they would have said that.
The rank of the same Dottore was not affected, although he is the second, and most were very surprised by this.Pierro was also not mentioned by rank.Isn't it obvious that the ranks of the harbingers are not disclosed, because this keeps the intrigue and generates controversy and speculation in the community?This would remove all the mystery, and then the whole effect of surprise would disappear, and other ranks by elimination would also be revealed.
What are the reasons to believe that the Capitano is the first rank?
The main reason to believe this will be said by the seventh at the end, this is a likely spoiler:
1. The order of the voice lines of Tartaglia and Scaramouche fully corresponding to the proposed ranking.
Jester - director
1.Capitano
2.Dottore
3.Columbine
4.Arlecchino
5.Pulcinella
6.Scaramouche
7.Sandrone
8.Signora
9.Pantalone
10Empty/Unknown
11.Tartaglia
2. Too frequent references to the power of the Captain.
Almost every word about him speaks of his great strength, even such sophisticated warriors as Tartaglia Scaramouche and Varka praise him.In comparison with other fatui, his power is mentioned most often, which gives him a better chance of having the first rank.
3.Scaramouche in EN says that Capitano has great personal strength this remark of Scaramouche about Capitano's strength is seriously undermined in EN localization, since in CN he considers Capitano as a person with the apex of strength/first-class strength.
I quote:
"队长"拥有有的的。
"Capitano possesses the apex of strength."
Scaramouche also uses the word "实力" to describe Capitano's ability. This is the same word used by Childe when he talks about the ranking criteria of the Harbingers.
Jean in the dialogue of the event of ballads and brews says:
"The Grand Master has a rather... unconventional way of describing things, but
even then... I've never heard him give such high recognition to anyone before.Traveler, if you ever encounter The Captain on your own journey, be on your
guard. He is not someone to be underestimated."
Also fatui themselves constantly praise Capitano according to Scaramouche.
All these words describe Capitano as something with absolute strength, something invincible, and it would not be surprising if he turns out to be the first rank.
4. Another argument in favor of this is Lazzo's winter night teaser, in which Capitano interrogates Rank 2 Dottore about the situation with Scaramouche and Gnosis, doesn't that seem to hint at a higher position?, Arlecchino who is supposed to be 4 disrespectful and insulting about Pantaloone and Pulcinella and whether Rank 10 would be so rude to talk about 9 and 5 ?This may mean that she is rank 4.
5. Natlan is the last region before the snezhnaya, the last gnosis, the last key to the goal of fatui, the ruler of the Pyro region is an Archon with the title of god of war, it is logical to send the first and strongest harbinger there to perform such an important mission, and it is logical to present the first harbinger to the player there.
6.In the winter night lazzo, Pierro is signed as director of fatui, and the rest as harbingers. The same is true in the official discord of the Genshin Impact channel.
7. Finally, the most important reason and argument in favor of this.
Spoilers:
Two reliable insiders, Hxg diluc and TeamChina found information about the real ranking of fatui, in it.
Jester - Leader
1.Capitano
2.Dottore
3. Columbine
4.Arlecchino
5.Pulcinella
6.Scaramouche
7.Sandrone
8. Signora
9.Pantaloon
10.Unknown/Empty
11.Tartaglia
The information is taken from the database, and the insiders themselves are extremely truthful, also Capitano, according to Hxg_Diluc, is declared as "The strongest individual in Teivat "
Therefore, these ranks are true with a probability of 95%
In Fontaine, we will most likely see Arlecchino, we will have a bossfight, her most suitable symbol is next in the wheel of fatui harbingers, there we will be presented with her rank,if she is rank 4, then the Captain is 100% rank 1.
so I will add.Pierro is called the leading harbinger.
Also in the original, when they talk about the rank of the harbinger, they use the word "席" - a place, a position, this has never happened in relation to Pierro. All mentions do not affect his rank, but only the primacy in joining the organization, the hieroglyphs
"最初的的" are used - the original fatui
"最初" - the original, primordial, the very first, the founder, and so on, there is no mention of rank, never.
Pin my comment if there is a desire, it will remove unnecessary questions from people.