As a carpenter had my Peugeot e expert 75kw for nearly 6 months and done over 10k in it, usually around 100 miles per day. I mostly top it up at home every night on our cheap tariff so extremely cheap to run. Save over £ 80 per week in diesel which off sets the monthly repayments. Absolutely love the van. Even full of tools and fire doors range not really affected.
I’m a carpenter to and have one and I’ve done 5000 miles in the three months I’ve had it and doing the same saving and using this to off set the repayments 👍
You might consider to check your battery charge limits for long life. Usually Li batteries not keep long life if charged to 100% every night and stay in that state for hours until driven in the morning.
Totally agree. I have no problem with a vehicle having a shorter electric range if it means I can use a rapid charger system on it every now and then as that for most vehicles only about 30 minutes. If people are making the excuse that they won’t buy an electric vehicle because they can’t afford to wait 30 minutes, then there is something seriously wrong with them.
Have you looked at the transit van’s battery placement? It’s under the frame rails. A ground up van would put the battery between the frames to keep it from getting damaged. Also the floor could be lower depending on how they design the skateboard.
Light commercial use is the perfect tech for EV. Skateboard chassis allows a big flat payload, most tootle around cities not doing high highway Kms, and taking diesel fines out of our city air.
Why do Mercedes put the 100kWh battery in the passenger version of the Vito, but they won't put one in the van? I don't want to buy the expensive passenger version and then rip out all the seats just to get decent range. Some of us do need a 200+ range van, same as people who drive cars. It must fit in the space, by definition.
Most likely as the payload of the van will drop dramatically, and you’d only be able to carry a couple of envelopes. They mention that you loose 200kg of payload going from 50kwh to 75kwh. So you probably lose another 200kg going to 100kwh making it a non starter for too many people, and without the people to buy it the cost of manufacture would go up too
@@simonhenry7867 there’s a part in the video where they were talking about how much you can carry and point out the smaller battery 50kwh version can carry a higher load because the battery weighs so much less. So my argument was based on that discussion. I’m assuming a passenger version doesn’t require the ability to transport heavy loads.
As a user of a van, the the next episode will be a must for those of us that want to make the case for EVs in the commercial world. There will have to be an easy way of charging company vehicles at home. Thanks for this one. Lot of good info.
I’m a Vito driver, as an individual rather than a business, as I use it to take my bikes everywhere. However I’ll not be getting a Vito E, I really can’t understand why I’d want the first 150cm of my 495cm long van as just bonnet and dashboard. I think it will be the ID.Buzz cargo for me.
Hopefully my next EV will be a van to convert to a camper. I know range isn't everything, but I've got used to 280miles with the eNiro and a campervan with that kind of range would be amazing. People are making extra add-on batteries for eNV-200s, would be nice if people started doing these kind of add on packs for vans like the Transit or eViravo. Maybe the ID Buzz cargo LWB will be an option.... will have to wait for prices
Oh, wasn't aware of range extender packs, always thought that would have been useful in our first 24Kwh eNV200s! The current 40Kwh are pretty good, but true 250-300 mile motorway range is the trigger for getting rid of the diesel vans.
I’m still waiting for an electric van that can be used as a camper van and suitable for longer trips. It sounds like the range is starting to get there if some models really deliver 200 real world miles of range. Alas the iDbuzz is looking a bit small, though being on the MEB platform there should be some high range options.
Amen brother. I'm waiting for a high and long van yo convert with a decent charging rate, >100KW battery and V2L. With a camping lifestyle you can charge overnight as you sleep in many places but for big distance you need >200KW DC fast charge. I didn't find anything suitable yet.
As a general builder, small business, EV vans of the right size, at the right price seem to be many years away. ICE sprinter on lease £500 pm EV Sprinter on lease £900 pm No contest, even with fuel added on.
Small businesses are already paying the most taxes and employing vastly more people. We can’t keep taking on more and remain profitable. These E vehicles do not make sense at current price points, available distances, and charging availability. So for the foreseeable future it’s a NO NO NO for small business…which is the BIGGEST business.
I currently use a Hiace long wheelbase low roof van because it's long enough for my straight edges and fits in undercover parking stations. But I've noticed that all of these offerings are either short wheelbase or high roof. Also 260 Kms is not even nearly enough range here in Australia when the distance between Sydney and Canberra for instance (a route where these types of vehicle are very popular) is over 400 Kms with basically no charging infrastructure
Hi Merv, sounds like that's a spot we need more charging infrastructure. 🤔👍. Continually bigger batteries with current tech mean more $ and weight so it's a balancing act to keep vehicles affordable with practical payloads. What about the health and environmental advantages over the Hiace? These are big ones for the wider community.
@@ElectricCarAustralia While better charging infrastructure is certainly needed, it's not an answer to this particular question. A commercial user isn't going to be able to stop for an extended time to recharge during the day. I'm currently looking to replace my NV2500 van and would love to go to an EV for the fuel savings (I'm in the US where almost none of the vans discussed here are available) but it would require a minimum of 250 miles of range just to make it to some jobsites and back. Heaven forbid I then get an after-hours call-out or have to change up my planned day's route or even at 250 miles I'd then be out of luck, waiting for hours to recharge. Right now I only see EV vans as viable for inner-city use or route driving, not for tradesmen or contractors who don't run fixed routes or schedules. I'm sure they'll get there eventually, but it will take charging stations becoming as common as gas stations and recharge times to be in the single-digit timeframe to make them viable.
Seems like the best way to fix this is more charging points in Australia. Something which we need here in the UK along with the rest of Europe and America. Thankfully in Australia you aren’t short of sunlight, so setting up charging points that run on solar energy with battery storage is entirely possible.
@@donhappel9566 Wow that is quite a long journey drive. In the UK would call that slave labour. Feels ridiculous anyone should have to drive that distance on a regular basis. Although I don’t exactly see why this particular limit on the miles driveable it’s a problem? You could easily just stop off to charge in the middle of that route each time and it wouldn’t even really be a problem because most of them except rapid charging and with a rapid charger you can usually charge a vehicle up to 80% in about half an hour if you really needed to. I think most people would be willing to make that 30 minute sacrifice for the journey that means these massive savings. We need to get used to a little bit of sacrifice here and there.
I love this series. I work in carbon accounting, and so many of my customers are uncomfortable with switching to EV vans, and this resource is worth so much. Thanks to the Fully Charged team and Paul Kirby
I hope it is able to help many of your customers to be more at ease with switching over to EV vans. We really need to speed up the transition faster and faster to help with innovation and help the prices come down.
I work in the community transport sector, I wonder if the larger van example's will transcend over to minibuses which are effectively van bodies Taylor Made for passenger transport.
Oh now that I’d definitely love to see as well. I think a lot of Japanese and Chinese vehicles options could help with that as they are already looking at versions like these.
Great to see more choice coming , seems like the Chinese manufacturers have more of a handle on battery supply . The competition will be interesting when manufacturers have to choose how there battery supply is allocated, eg sell fewer commercial vans with bigger battery packs or sell more passenger cars with smaller packs
Chinese vehicle are almost certainly going to have LFP batteries and not the more common Lion. The new Tesla Model 3 Standard Range has these cells now. They have many advantages and few disadvantages. The non Chinese producers are really going to be up against it when the Chinese offerings arrive in anger.
Because like it or not Vans are a part of your life. Those old smelly diesel jobbies have been fouling your air and making bicycle riding a nightmare for so long that we all can't wait to try to convince the business folks around us to get on board with the EV revolution. It's a clean slate ... time to let your imagination run free!
this was very shallow, didn't learn much. Market share of BEV vans? Cost comparison with ICE vans? Operation cost reduction? Any other worthy comparison?
Would have been nice to see how they would compare to hydrogen fuel cell vans currently being introduced into Europe. That would be heresy but interesting.
Has anyone have any info on how you would place your charge time down to a tax deductible? Obviously it is easy with diesel you have a receipt. Would you put a percentage of your household electricity bill down?
Depends on how you charge and where you are. I'm in Sweden, and if I charge the car on the company I'd just put the cost of charging into my bookkeeping. I know the exact amount of kwh I've charged, and when, from either the charger or the car, and I can calculate the price. And charging while out and about is billed easily too. If I charge at home on electricity I pay privately I can take almost a euro per 10km driven as a tax free reimbursement from the company.
Chiller vans, freezer vans.. how do they work. Towing capacity and journey length, i.e. The AA, RAC et al carry loads of stuff and can suspend carry other cars. Ice cream vans… what power will be used for the freezer unit that sits for 8 hours a day (at fairs etc) or for travelling around housing estates.. questions that I would like answered. :)
Our local ice cream van use 25£+ of diesel a day, a diesel engine is the inverse off what's needed. 30%(prob less) to prepultion that prob 10% is lost is electrical conversion by a very low powered alternator. So may 18% Then some off the electric is converted as it's needs to cool the van that's been heated by the 60% diesel power converted to heat. The your primary customers, children breath in those highly toxic fumes.
@@simonhenry7867 thank you for your reply.. however like many, you have given me lots of reasons as to why ice cream vans should not use diesel, yet not explained how a van, sitting at, say a fair for 8 hours, will be able to keep the ice cream etc frozen or the very least chilled. How do supermarket delivery vans keep goods frozen, whist delivering. At present they either rely on vehicle power or a secondary unit, both powered by diesel. All the best to you.. wishing you well.
Very good summary of the current state of play. Didn't know about JLC. Bottom line is that I'm still waiting...Come on VW/Arrival/Rivian/someone in China.
I’m glad you addressed the berlingo/ partner/ combo/ lite ace elephant in the room! This sort of set up kills competition in the market. As you say it looks like there’s 5 options but actually only 2
fascinating see how the commercial market will drive EV acceptance, they will be common everywhere as businesses update they their rolling stock faster than consumers
I recently revies the Maxus eDeliver 9 in my channel, I can confirm it is promising for fleet purchase, but lacks the design compared to Renault, Mercedes and the PSA group
I see a market for some smart engineer coming up with a camper "cube" with all of the components you would want or need in an insertable box you could load into an EV van. hook up and be on your way. The ability to customize your cube would be a bonus.
Yeah, an interchangeable box part for these vans would be cool! Could work during the week and camp/rent during some high/low season depending on your business or use.
Lovely report trouble with converted vans like peogeot e expert is very more wind resistance as design to have ice instead of motor.Also chassis design does not incorporate battery pack rails increasing weight result
Yes, I agree with you. I think he has it wrong that there's not much difference between a good ground up design and a conversion. A conversion carries the battery as a load, so it cuts into the payload, both weight and volume. A good ground up design uses the pack as a structural member. A bigger battery lends strength and rigidity thereby increasing the payload. Plus you don't have to pay for pack, and then on top, pay extra for chassis to carry it. The upper part of the van can be lighter and cheaper, with thinner walls as the pack is so stiff, increasing payload volume and moving the centre of gravity down. There's also production line efficiency that decreases the price, better weight distribution, less difference between full and empty handling, improved crash safety, streamlined servicing... So many reasons.
And it’s more enticing for us van drivers. I spend 200 a week on diesel so the cost savings with evs is bringing me over very quickly. Just deciding if I’ll wait for the better offerings or jump straight onto the vivaro to replace my custom.
No mention of price, range, battery chemistry for any of the models. Hello? Regular fast charging will dramatically reduce the battery life of a Nickel based commercial vehicle BTW.
There is a flaw in the reasoning behind battery size and weight carrying. Although law dictates battery weight is included in the overall van weight and thus capacity of weight a van can hold a 75 kwh battery has more power, thus each cell has to work less hard and thus lasts longer, than a 50 kwh hout battery. So there is truth that for carrying heavier loads the 75 kwh is the more logical choice when it comes to the longevity if the battery. The problem then lies than the law is not catching up to the laws of power to weight physics compromises.
It would be great if you could fix the audio normalisation on these videos. The talking is rather quiet compared to the blaring sound of the intro music.
Let's be honest, for most commercial users such as myself any environmental benefit is secondary vs cost to operate. My current NV2500 averages a whopping 13mpg. Here in California that puts me on track to spend near $20K on fuel alone in 2022 based on current pricing. For that reason alone I'd love to switch to an EV, however there is nothing on the market that can meet my needs. Sadly I'll most likely be going to a 1/2 ton diesel pickup with a service body. But the key driver of my purchasing decision remain 1st- meeting my physical needs for range (for an EV; this is a non-issue for gas/diesel as they can be refueled anywhere in a couple minutes), payload, and towing and 2nd- economy of operation. Anything beyond that is nice but hardly decisive.
Nice to see more vans to come out, but all those manufacturers goes lowest possible batteries, 33 to 50 kwh are not enough, 75 kwh gets thumbs up, no one wants to be better than others and make 80 to 100 kwh battery and make real van for companies who need it for work/delivery shipments.
True , but think of it in the sense of battery supply constraints , make 2 vans with 50kw packs or 1 van with a 100kw pack . As well as weight of the larger packs . Packaging and efficiency are key to get the most range from a smaller lighter battery
@@TheRocky3211 sure I understand that can make 2 vans with smaller pack, but my boss will not buy that kind of van, it really need to have good range and it needs to have lots of room inside. Currently we have biggest Sprinter which can drive without truck lisence, 50 kwh battery is not going do it, VW have some vans with 35 kwh battery, it's a joke.
@@petertraveller6421 agree , more choice needed for sure . Have a feeling the chinese manufactures will outpace others in this area as they seem to have better battery supply capacity .
@@petertraveller6421 as a boss, I decide based on cost/benefit or ROI. Presumably he pays more for reliability, service life or something measurable. If he's presented with a cheaper option that's just as reliable with similar specs he'd be an unusual boss to ignore the savings!
not much detail in this video, would have been good to hear the cost and comparison between these vans, and some kind of estimated break even time against diesel.
"2022 - Year of the electric van?" That's sadly a NO for the US. I hope you don't take those Nissan e-NV200s for granted over there. During my trip to Norway a few years ago I saw a few of them and I geeked out over them. If Nissan started selling them in the US tomorrow I'd order one tomorrow.
You are totally correct - pretty much none of the vans discussed here are available in the US except the Transit and it offers such minimal range (approximately 125 miles and that will go down on the highway or with a load) that's it's useless for anything but inner city delivery routes. Oh, and as a past owner of an NV200 let me assure you it's NOT something you'd want to drive very much! I used to refer to it as the 'penalty box'. Granted, my current NV2500 isn't worlds better but at least it offers reasonable towing capacity where the Transit and Sprinter don't.
Can’t help feel that Tesla should shelve the ghastly Cybertruck (for now) and do a medium van based on the S or X underpinnings instead. But you cant really argue with over a million pre-orders…!
Well, given that after how many years they still haven't actually produced the cybertruck (and yes, it's ghastly indeed) even if they announced one tomorrow I wouldn't exactly hold my breath!
It doesn't really matter what Tesla makes and it will be sold out for months. Everybody could make more of everything too but the problem is the battery supply and that is where Tesla and the Chinese excel.
Sadly none of the euro-style vans offer any significant towing. I regularly tow approx 8000-8500 lbs. Any half-ton pickup can handle that but the only van capable of that was the Nissan NV2500/3500 which has been discontinued in the US now. I currently use an NV2500 and the whopping 13 mpg is pushing me to replace it but it looks like I'll have to look at a half-ton diesel pickup with a service body instead of another van.
In this video the dates for the shows differ than that of the website - which dates are correct? Is the UK or the European show first? Thanks in advance :)
Glad to see Andy back. Disappointing though recent motorcycle one wasn't him. He needs to do all the motorcycle tests/reviews and would be good to see him do more again possibly with Charlie again since there are more EV motorcycles coming.
I'd love a large van, to haul stuff and act as camper. To get decent range and functionality, the battery would need to be obscenely large. Not exactly eco. It could take the role of house battery of course, but so could a Smart car if the maker allowed us to. For a van which for me would need to do long distances deep into Eastern Europe, I'd still want a small diesel in there to support cruise speed at highways. The range battery can step in for acceleration. But really, EVs tend to be quicker than they ever need to be, no need to be that silly.
The fact you spent a half hour just talking about van models shows how fat they can come in just a year. The transit will shake things up. The EVs they have done so far have been on the money, so expecting that the transit will be a huge seller. From nowhere to market leaders in one go.
Ford transit is the ticket! Large enough for a camper build and sufficient range. Sure, who doesn’t want 500 miles but for recreation I’ve got an extra 20 minutes to spare for a charge
I have a LWB VW Transporter ABTe . Looks great … but that’s the only positive. 50 miles average range … slow to charge , slow to drive , clunky and with 2k miles on the clock , it’s been back with the dealer 5 times in the 4 months I’ve had it ….. oh , and it cost over 50k plus vat 😮
I have been looking at EV pickups and all I won't is a pickup don't give a stuff if it can do 0/60 in 3sec or can go sideways give me a pickup that works for business not just for school runs
So far, that's a non-starter! I had some hope when I saw Ford was going to do a "professional" version of the upcoming Lightning F150, but in the end it looks like it's just a slightly de-contented version of the regular school-day truck. No long bed; not even a 6.5' bed. No chassis-cab that can be converted to a service body. Nothing "professional" about it at all as far as I can see.
Interesting. He is really underselling EV platform designs. They will be lighter, more volume and more versions trough coach building. Cheaper (to make( think not, more production volume yes.
And America continues to fall way, way behind. e-Transit being the only option…but Ford is only offering it to a limited amount of companies. E-NV never made it here, nor any of the other vans available in Europe and the U.K.. not really holding my breath for the Buzz, as it’ll likely be spec’d up beyond the range of businesses that are actually small, like my one-man operation. Oh well, oh hell; guess I’m going to be gutting a ropey old diesel and talking to Jehu Garcia.
It is frustrating, but some good ones are supposed to launch here in the next few years. English-owned Arrival has microfactories in NC and SC building EV delivery vans that may be available in 2023. And we may have Canoo EV vans in the next year or so if they can stay in business.
Sorry, but you are missing the best. Small vans . . That VW will probably not be on the streets this year, just some press demo and be hugely expensive. Please take a look at the German Xbus that will be on the market this year. Best small Van in my opinion, for the city deliveries and highly modular. AND THE CHEAPEST. Totally new concept and we hear very little about it, coarse the legacy brands seem to have the deeper pockets for advetisment? And the Juzhen Chengshi 01 is a hit on the streets in Asia and should be imported to the EU and VK.
the xbus is interesting, but is technically a quad-bike. and is about as fast/ powerful. and not legal to drive on a motorway. would likely suit the corner shop owner who currently has one of those tiny Daihatsu's but isn't going to make a big dent in the market, will sell in the grounds-keeper type market probably.
Sub 200 mile vans are no good. We should be able to get 250 mile vans done now. The e-nv200 was getting more 10 years ago than what is being put in now.
100 mile range is fine for local deliveries but how about service engineers who cover the UK ? A van needs a minimum of 250 mile range no matter the weather (cold weather stopped a van charging as seen here on you tube). Battery vans may never be practical and EV car range not the best especially when fully loaded with tools etc. Cost of the van is £10k (or more) than diesel that does 600 plus miles on £90 diesel and no need to stop for 1 hr to charge. Sorry but electric vans are a token offering at present time and buying a used diesel far far cheaper. Fast charger at 40p or 50p per kW hr costs £28 to £38.50 to charge for 100 mile to max 120 mile real range which is 39p per mile so not so cheap when diesel cost is 7p per mile.
Here in the US I agree with you 100%. These things are only viable for fixed route drivers or inner city parcel delivery. They are of extremely limited use for a tradesman or contractor who may have to work at a different location every day. I'd love to switch to EV for the cost savings on fuel there simply isn't one made (or even on the horizon) that can meet my needs.
EV vans are for short distance deliveries. Just like electric fork lifts, they have their applications. Here in the USA....we love gasoline. I use my van for long trips. A trip would take 2 to 4 times longer in an electric to charge the thing. Long live fracking!
Electric journeys take about 1 hour longer per day of your journey, assuming you only use the fastest charging portion of your battery. Whoever convinced you that they take 2-4 times longer is a liar and you shouldn’t listen to them anymore.
20 vans, 76 variants. Looks for a van in Australia.... None. Not one. I can import a second hand Mitsubishi Minicab or an ENV200, but nothing I could put a bed, a stove and 2 dogs.
Buying a Diesel Sprinter this year🤦♂️. No choice need a new van and the EV options just don’t work for my needs. 160km-220km per day I’m I Canada so need these ranges in +35C to -40C and I need the high roof extended Sprinter (or what ever) with routine loads of 500-2000 lbs. unfortunately all the EV‘s don’t even come close to these specifications. Very disappointing, annoying quite frankly, The Ford lightning specifications clearly work for my needs. But for whatever reason Ford put a tiny little battery in there transit with no option to upgrade.
You know a lot of these could almost qualify as glorified old-fashioned station wagons they’re not vans bands to business you have to be able to walk through your van vans are used for camping you have to be able to walk through them this looks like station wagon‘s to me the old station wagon said everybody bought because they piled their kids in them they were not vans they were station wagon‘s and that’s what they’re doing they’re building a long car and putting a lot of seats in it that’s not a van that’s not what we want
I'm going to be stupid and ask if someone has counted every time they said the word "van" I'm not going to fact check it but..... This is going to be fun heheh.
As a carpenter had my Peugeot e expert 75kw for nearly 6 months and done over 10k in it, usually around 100 miles per day. I mostly top it up at home every night on our cheap tariff so extremely cheap to run. Save over £ 80 per week in diesel which off sets the monthly repayments. Absolutely love the van. Even full of tools and fire doors range not really affected.
I’m a carpenter to and have one and I’ve done 5000 miles in the three months I’ve had it and doing the same saving and using this to off set the repayments 👍
Me too got same van
Van of the year?
You might consider to check your battery charge limits for long life. Usually Li batteries not keep long life if charged to 100% every night and stay in that state for hours until driven in the morning.
@@skjold73 I know this. Have been running our Tesla family car for over 2 and half year.
Great to hear someone emphasise the importance of fast charging. I can manage with quite a short range if I can recharge over a lunch break.
Totally agree. I have no problem with a vehicle having a shorter electric range if it means I can use a rapid charger system on it every now and then as that for most vehicles only about 30 minutes. If people are making the excuse that they won’t buy an electric vehicle because they can’t afford to wait 30 minutes, then there is something seriously wrong with them.
Have you looked at the transit van’s battery placement? It’s under the frame rails. A ground up van would put the battery between the frames to keep it from getting damaged. Also the floor could be lower depending on how they design the skateboard.
Light commercial use is the perfect tech for EV. Skateboard chassis allows a big flat payload, most tootle around cities not doing high highway Kms, and taking diesel fines out of our city air.
Why do Mercedes put the 100kWh battery in the passenger version of the Vito, but they won't put one in the van? I don't want to buy the expensive passenger version and then rip out all the seats just to get decent range. Some of us do need a 200+ range van, same as people who drive cars. It must fit in the space, by definition.
Most likely as the payload of the van will drop dramatically, and you’d only be able to carry a couple of envelopes. They mention that you loose 200kg of payload going from 50kwh to 75kwh. So you probably lose another 200kg going to 100kwh making it a non starter for too many people, and without the people to buy it the cost of manufacture would go up too
@@andymoss4285 your argument loses value becuase they already make the van in a 100kwh version but spend money putting seats in.
@@simonhenry7867 there’s a part in the video where they were talking about how much you can carry and point out the smaller battery 50kwh version can carry a higher load because the battery weighs so much less. So my argument was based on that discussion. I’m assuming a passenger version doesn’t require the ability to transport heavy loads.
As a user of a van, the the next episode will be a must for those of us that want to make the case for EVs in the commercial world.
There will have to be an easy way of charging company vehicles at home. Thanks for this one. Lot of good info.
I’m a Vito driver, as an individual rather than a business, as I use it to take my bikes everywhere. However I’ll not be getting a Vito E, I really can’t understand why I’d want the first 150cm of my 495cm long van as just bonnet and dashboard. I think it will be the ID.Buzz cargo for me.
Most excuses are "too electric" your excuse..."not electric enough" LOL
Just living for the next time Torbet says vaahns
Loooooooooved this one! Keen to go electric van but currently not one to suit my needs.
Keep up the great work team 🤜🏽🤛🏼
Have you checked Mercedes EQV?
@@reapercushions No I haven’t. I’ll take a look now though, thanks 🙏🏼
Like the no-nonsense, just lay it out format. Great stuff
Hopefully my next EV will be a van to convert to a camper. I know range isn't everything, but I've got used to 280miles with the eNiro and a campervan with that kind of range would be amazing. People are making extra add-on batteries for eNV-200s, would be nice if people started doing these kind of add on packs for vans like the Transit or eViravo. Maybe the ID Buzz cargo LWB will be an option.... will have to wait for prices
Oh, wasn't aware of range extender packs, always thought that would have been useful in our first 24Kwh eNV200s!
The current 40Kwh are pretty good, but true 250-300 mile motorway range is the trigger for getting rid of the diesel vans.
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I’m still waiting for an electric van that can be used as a camper van and suitable for longer trips. It sounds like the range is starting to get there if some models really deliver 200 real world miles of range. Alas the iDbuzz is looking a bit small, though being on the MEB platform there should be some high range options.
Amen brother. I'm waiting for a high and long van yo convert with a decent charging rate, >100KW battery and V2L. With a camping lifestyle you can charge overnight as you sleep in many places but for big distance you need >200KW DC fast charge. I didn't find anything suitable yet.
The eFixxter is available here in NL. I'm going to do my holidays in a rental.
@@ecoworrier you really don't need 200kW DC. Schedule the stops right and you can do shopping or site seeing meanwhile it does 45min full charge.
@Jeff. pick me up when you pass through Luxembourg.
@@ecoworrier as a fact. I'm planning to go into Luxembourg 😃
As a general builder, small business, EV vans of the right size, at the right price seem to be many years away.
ICE sprinter on lease £500 pm
EV Sprinter on lease £900 pm
No contest, even with fuel added on.
Small businesses are already paying the most taxes and employing vastly more people. We can’t keep taking on more and remain profitable. These E vehicles do not make sense at current price points, available distances, and charging availability. So for the foreseeable future it’s a NO NO NO for small business…which is the BIGGEST business.
I currently use a Hiace long wheelbase low roof van because it's long enough for my straight edges and fits in undercover parking stations. But I've noticed that all of these offerings are either short wheelbase or high roof. Also 260 Kms is not even nearly enough range here in Australia when the distance between Sydney and Canberra for instance (a route where these types of vehicle are very popular) is over 400 Kms with basically no charging infrastructure
Hi Merv, sounds like that's a spot we need more charging infrastructure. 🤔👍. Continually bigger batteries with current tech mean more $ and weight so it's a balancing act to keep vehicles affordable with practical payloads. What about the health and environmental advantages over the Hiace? These are big ones for the wider community.
@@ElectricCarAustralia While better charging infrastructure is certainly needed, it's not an answer to this particular question. A commercial user isn't going to be able to stop for an extended time to recharge during the day. I'm currently looking to replace my NV2500 van and would love to go to an EV for the fuel savings (I'm in the US where almost none of the vans discussed here are available) but it would require a minimum of 250 miles of range just to make it to some jobsites and back. Heaven forbid I then get an after-hours call-out or have to change up my planned day's route or even at 250 miles I'd then be out of luck, waiting for hours to recharge. Right now I only see EV vans as viable for inner-city use or route driving, not for tradesmen or contractors who don't run fixed routes or schedules. I'm sure they'll get there eventually, but it will take charging stations becoming as common as gas stations and recharge times to be in the single-digit timeframe to make them viable.
Seems like the best way to fix this is more charging points in Australia. Something which we need here in the UK along with the rest of Europe and America. Thankfully in Australia you aren’t short of sunlight, so setting up charging points that run on solar energy with battery storage is entirely possible.
@@ElectricCarAustralia Totally agree. Hope this can be done soon.
@@donhappel9566 Wow that is quite a long journey drive. In the UK would call that slave labour. Feels ridiculous anyone should have to drive that distance on a regular basis. Although I don’t exactly see why this particular limit on the miles driveable it’s a problem? You could easily just stop off to charge in the middle of that route each time and it wouldn’t even really be a problem because most of them except rapid charging and with a rapid charger you can usually charge a vehicle up to 80% in about half an hour if you really needed to. I think most people would be willing to make that 30 minute sacrifice for the journey that means these massive savings. We need to get used to a little bit of sacrifice here and there.
I love this series. I work in carbon accounting, and so many of my customers are uncomfortable with switching to EV vans, and this resource is worth so much.
Thanks to the Fully Charged team and Paul Kirby
I hope it is able to help many of your customers to be more at ease with switching over to EV vans. We really need to speed up the transition faster and faster to help with innovation and help the prices come down.
I work in the community transport sector, I wonder if the larger van example's will transcend over to minibuses which are effectively van bodies Taylor Made for passenger transport.
Oh now that I’d definitely love to see as well. I think a lot of Japanese and Chinese vehicles options could help with that as they are already looking at versions like these.
I love this style of video. A sit-down interview with a real expert
Yes it’s great to get these every now and then.
Good to see the old transit van back
Existing 4:00 small vans. 5:25 medium. 6:32 large.
Great to see more choice coming , seems like the Chinese manufacturers have more of a handle on battery supply . The competition will be interesting when manufacturers have to choose how there battery supply is allocated, eg sell fewer commercial vans with bigger battery packs or sell more passenger cars with smaller packs
Chinese vehicle are almost certainly going to have LFP batteries and not the more common Lion. The new Tesla Model 3 Standard Range has these cells now. They have many advantages and few disadvantages. The non Chinese producers are really going to be up against it when the Chinese offerings arrive in anger.
I don't have a van, I don't need a van, I don't have any interest in old combustion vans so why am I so fascinated by these videos?
A new technology "thing" perhaps? A new dawn?
Because like it or not Vans are a part of your life. Those old smelly diesel jobbies have been fouling your air and making bicycle riding a nightmare for so long that we all can't wait to try to convince the business folks around us to get on board with the EV revolution. It's a clean slate ... time to let your imagination run free!
This was a fantastic episode. Very informative! Looking forward to the next one on charging.
this was very shallow, didn't learn much.
Market share of BEV vans?
Cost comparison with ICE vans?
Operation cost reduction?
Any other worthy comparison?
Would have been nice to see how they would compare to hydrogen fuel cell vans currently being introduced into Europe. That would be heresy but interesting.
Has anyone have any info on how you would place your charge time down to a tax deductible? Obviously it is easy with diesel you have a receipt. Would you put a percentage of your household electricity bill down?
Depends on how you charge and where you are.
I'm in Sweden, and if I charge the car on the company I'd just put the cost of charging into my bookkeeping. I know the exact amount of kwh I've charged, and when, from either the charger or the car, and I can calculate the price. And charging while out and about is billed easily too.
If I charge at home on electricity I pay privately I can take almost a euro per 10km driven as a tax free reimbursement from the company.
No mention of Xbus. Check it out. Modular, solar charged on the go, can add more bats by yourself and charge it with a 13amp plug!
Chiller vans, freezer vans.. how do they work. Towing capacity and journey length, i.e. The AA, RAC et al carry loads of stuff and can suspend carry other cars. Ice cream vans… what power will be used for the freezer unit that sits for 8 hours a day (at fairs etc) or for travelling around housing estates.. questions that I would like answered. :)
Our local ice cream van use 25£+ of diesel a day, a diesel engine is the inverse off what's needed.
30%(prob less) to prepultion that prob 10% is lost is electrical conversion by a very low powered alternator.
So may 18%
Then some off the electric is converted as it's needs to cool the van that's been heated by the 60% diesel power converted to heat.
The your primary customers, children breath in those highly toxic fumes.
@@simonhenry7867 thank you for your reply.. however like many, you have given me lots of reasons as to why ice cream vans should not use diesel, yet not explained how a van, sitting at, say a fair for 8 hours, will be able to keep the ice cream etc frozen or the very least chilled. How do supermarket delivery vans keep goods frozen, whist delivering. At present they either rely on vehicle power or a secondary unit, both powered by diesel. All the best to you.. wishing you well.
Very good summary of the current state of play. Didn't know about JLC. Bottom line is that I'm still waiting...Come on VW/Arrival/Rivian/someone in China.
You might want to take a look at Brightdrop EV600 as well.
This should 100% be in the main channel
I’m glad you addressed the berlingo/ partner/ combo/ lite ace elephant in the room! This sort of set up kills competition in the market. As you say it looks like there’s 5 options but actually only 2
fascinating see how the commercial market will drive EV acceptance, they will be common everywhere as businesses update they their rolling stock faster than consumers
I recently revies the Maxus eDeliver 9 in my channel, I can confirm it is promising for fleet purchase, but lacks the design compared to Renault, Mercedes and the PSA group
I see a market for some smart engineer coming up with a camper "cube" with all of the components you would want or need in an insertable box you could load into an EV van. hook up and be on your way. The ability to customize your cube would be a bonus.
Yeah, an interchangeable box part for these vans would be cool! Could work during the week and camp/rent during some high/low season depending on your business or use.
Lovely report trouble with converted vans like peogeot e expert is very more wind resistance as design to have ice instead of motor.Also chassis design does not incorporate battery pack rails increasing weight result
Yes, I agree with you. I think he has it wrong that there's not much difference between a good ground up design and a conversion.
A conversion carries the battery as a load, so it cuts into the payload, both weight and volume. A good ground up design uses the pack as a structural member. A bigger battery lends strength and rigidity thereby increasing the payload. Plus you don't have to pay for pack, and then on top, pay extra for chassis to carry it. The upper part of the van can be lighter and cheaper, with thinner walls as the pack is so stiff, increasing payload volume and moving the centre of gravity down. There's also production line efficiency that decreases the price, better weight distribution, less difference between full and empty handling, improved crash safety, streamlined servicing... So many reasons.
Its the most inportant sector , vans do more mileage than cars so pollute more
And it’s more enticing for us van drivers. I spend 200 a week on diesel so the cost savings with evs is bringing me over very quickly. Just deciding if I’ll wait for the better offerings or jump straight onto the vivaro to replace my custom.
@@PiOfficial the Chinese one , LDV
I have been enjoyed, so thank you for delivering.
Drive the Vauxhall’s Vivaro-E. 75kw. Excellent van.
No mention of price, range, battery chemistry for any of the models. Hello? Regular fast charging will dramatically reduce the battery life of a Nickel based commercial vehicle BTW.
There is a flaw in the reasoning behind battery size and weight carrying. Although law dictates battery weight is included in the overall van weight and thus capacity of weight a van can hold a 75 kwh battery has more power, thus each cell has to work less hard and thus lasts longer, than a 50 kwh hout battery. So there is truth that for carrying heavier loads the 75 kwh is the more logical choice when it comes to the longevity if the battery. The problem then lies than the law is not catching up to the laws of power to weight physics compromises.
Th amoint off power to pull such loads is nowhere near the c numbers on batteries. The main restriction are tyres.
opening music too loud
Good format!
Thx alot
It would be great if you could fix the audio normalisation on these videos. The talking is rather quiet compared to the blaring sound of the intro music.
I have asked some times: Can you please make an episode about the mitsubishi ecanter?
Hi. Your volume changes between talk and music is outrageous. Any way you can match them?
When can we start discussing the possibilities Wireless + V2G will unlock in terms of convenience and grid stabilization?
When did Daniel Craig start working for fully charged?
He is clone of Daniel Craig and shane connery
Nice video! Can't wait to see electric replace all the dirty diesels.
Let's be honest, for most commercial users such as myself any environmental benefit is secondary vs cost to operate. My current NV2500 averages a whopping 13mpg. Here in California that puts me on track to spend near $20K on fuel alone in 2022 based on current pricing. For that reason alone I'd love to switch to an EV, however there is nothing on the market that can meet my needs. Sadly I'll most likely be going to a 1/2 ton diesel pickup with a service body. But the key driver of my purchasing decision remain 1st- meeting my physical needs for range (for an EV; this is a non-issue for gas/diesel as they can be refueled anywhere in a couple minutes), payload, and towing and 2nd- economy of operation. Anything beyond that is nice but hardly decisive.
Nice to see more vans to come out, but all those manufacturers goes lowest possible batteries, 33 to 50 kwh are not enough, 75 kwh gets thumbs up, no one wants to be better than others and make 80 to 100 kwh battery and make real van for companies who need it for work/delivery shipments.
True , but think of it in the sense of battery supply constraints , make 2 vans with 50kw packs or 1 van with a 100kw pack . As well as weight of the larger packs . Packaging and efficiency are key to get the most range from a smaller lighter battery
@@TheRocky3211 sure I understand that can make 2 vans with smaller pack, but my boss will not buy that kind of van, it really need to have good range and it needs to have lots of room inside. Currently we have biggest Sprinter which can drive without truck lisence, 50 kwh battery is not going do it, VW have some vans with 35 kwh battery, it's a joke.
@@petertraveller6421 agree , more choice needed for sure . Have a feeling the chinese manufactures will outpace others in this area as they seem to have better battery supply capacity .
@@TheRocky3211 problem is that the boss has always been MB guy, all our trucks and vans are MB, what you think, he will buy chinese van or not ?
@@petertraveller6421 as a boss, I decide based on cost/benefit or ROI. Presumably he pays more for reliability, service life or something measurable.
If he's presented with a cheaper option that's just as reliable with similar specs he'd be an unusual boss to ignore the savings!
The Orca name sounds like a BYD (Named after marine species).
If so, that's going to be competitive.
not much detail in this video, would have been good to hear the cost and comparison between these vans, and some kind of estimated break even time against diesel.
I worked out the vivaro e breaks even in about a year.
Just a great episode guys.
"2022 - Year of the electric van?"
That's sadly a NO for the US. I hope you don't take those Nissan e-NV200s for granted over there. During my trip to Norway a few years ago I saw a few of them and I geeked out over them. If Nissan started selling them in the US tomorrow I'd order one tomorrow.
Env200s are so old school (sorry )
@@simonhenry7867 They are, and that's what makes them desirable in a way.
You are totally correct - pretty much none of the vans discussed here are available in the US except the Transit and it offers such minimal range (approximately 125 miles and that will go down on the highway or with a load) that's it's useless for anything but inner city delivery routes. Oh, and as a past owner of an NV200 let me assure you it's NOT something you'd want to drive very much! I used to refer to it as the 'penalty box'. Granted, my current NV2500 isn't worlds better but at least it offers reasonable towing capacity where the Transit and Sprinter don't.
At least you get some pickups with a whole lot of towing capacity :)
@@donhappel9566 I'd still use it daily. I appreciate your reply though.
10:13 50 kW_hour_ and 75 kW_hour_ (not kW). Power is not energy.
Great video, but a bit of a sharp difference in volume between the intro/outro and the content.
No mention of canoo?
Great video guys
I hear the big plot of land in Somerset that Rivian is eyeing up is also being stared at by Tesla.
what about maxus great small to medium van tried and tested ???
Can’t help feel that Tesla should shelve the ghastly Cybertruck (for now) and do a medium van based on the S or X underpinnings instead. But you cant really argue with over a million pre-orders…!
Well, given that after how many years they still haven't actually produced the cybertruck (and yes, it's ghastly indeed) even if they announced one tomorrow I wouldn't exactly hold my breath!
It doesn't really matter what Tesla makes and it will be sold out for months. Everybody could make more of everything too but the problem is the battery supply and that is where Tesla and the Chinese excel.
This Euro edition…when the expert said they had not seen much from Ford on an EV,.
, knew something was amiss😸
I would buy an electric van tomorrow if it could tow, I frequently tow 2 tons.
Sadly none of the euro-style vans offer any significant towing. I regularly tow approx 8000-8500 lbs. Any half-ton pickup can handle that but the only van capable of that was the Nissan NV2500/3500 which has been discontinued in the US now. I currently use an NV2500 and the whopping 13 mpg is pushing me to replace it but it looks like I'll have to look at a half-ton diesel pickup with a service body instead of another van.
Yeah, most ICE-platform vehicles (regardless of type) usually don't have much or no towing capacity..
In this video the dates for the shows differ than that of the website - which dates are correct? Is the UK or the European show first? Thanks in advance :)
The EU ones been rescheduled
Glad to see Andy back. Disappointing though recent motorcycle one wasn't him. He needs to do all the motorcycle tests/reviews and would be good to see him do more again possibly with Charlie again since there are more EV motorcycles coming.
It was cool seeing sombody take Thier test on one.
Charging spaces will need to be longer to enable future, longer vans to charge.
I'd love a large van, to haul stuff and act as camper.
To get decent range and functionality, the battery would need to be obscenely large. Not exactly eco.
It could take the role of house battery of course, but so could a Smart car if the maker allowed us to.
For a van which for me would need to do long distances deep into Eastern Europe, I'd still want a small diesel in there to support cruise speed at highways. The range battery can step in for acceleration. But really, EVs tend to be quicker than they ever need to be, no need to be that silly.
The fact you spent a half hour just talking about van models shows how fat they can come in just a year. The transit will shake things up. The EVs they have done so far have been on the money, so expecting that the transit will be a huge seller. From nowhere to market leaders in one go.
You can say a lot about ford, but Thier market timing has been impeccable.
Until an electric van can carry a ton and still have a 250 mile range, then they are as much use as a chocolate kettle to me!!
have some van complet solar roof? this big roof can produce 30 miles per day ..
Ford transit is the ticket! Large enough for a camper build and sufficient range. Sure, who doesn’t want 500 miles but for recreation I’ve got an extra 20 minutes to spare for a charge
I have a LWB VW Transporter ABTe . Looks great … but that’s the only positive. 50 miles average range … slow to charge , slow to drive , clunky and with 2k miles on the clock , it’s been back with the dealer 5 times in the 4 months I’ve had it ….. oh , and it cost over 50k plus vat 😮
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What about the LEVC VN5?!
I have been looking at EV pickups and all I won't is a pickup don't give a stuff if it can do 0/60 in 3sec or can go sideways give me a pickup that works for business not just for school runs
So far, that's a non-starter! I had some hope when I saw Ford was going to do a "professional" version of the upcoming Lightning F150, but in the end it looks like it's just a slightly de-contented version of the regular school-day truck. No long bed; not even a 6.5' bed. No chassis-cab that can be converted to a service body. Nothing "professional" about it at all as far as I can see.
Interesting.
He is really underselling
EV platform designs.
They will be lighter, more volume and more versions trough coach building.
Cheaper (to make( think not, more production volume yes.
We need Range and a popular 🔌 for charging everywhere
Excellent
you missed the BYD EPT3
And America continues to fall way, way behind. e-Transit being the only option…but Ford is only offering it to a limited amount of companies. E-NV never made it here, nor any of the other vans available in Europe and the U.K.. not really holding my breath for the Buzz, as it’ll likely be spec’d up beyond the range of businesses that are actually small, like my one-man operation. Oh well, oh hell; guess I’m going to be gutting a ropey old diesel and talking to Jehu Garcia.
It is frustrating, but some good ones are supposed to launch here in the next few years. English-owned Arrival has microfactories in NC and SC building EV delivery vans that may be available in 2023. And we may have Canoo EV vans in the next year or so if they can stay in business.
And the prices are !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Excellent roundup, but … not a *single* price…?!!
Would get my that Transit. Make it into an Nugget camper 😃
Sorry, but you are missing the best.
Small vans . . That VW will probably not be on the streets this year, just some press demo and be hugely expensive.
Please take a look at the German Xbus that will be on the market this year.
Best small Van in my opinion, for the city deliveries and highly modular. AND THE CHEAPEST.
Totally new concept and we hear very little about it, coarse the legacy brands seem to have the deeper pockets for advetisment?
And the Juzhen Chengshi 01 is a hit on the streets in Asia and should be imported to the EU and VK.
the xbus is interesting, but is technically a quad-bike. and is about as fast/ powerful. and not legal to drive on a motorway. would likely suit the corner shop owner who currently has one of those tiny Daihatsu's but isn't going to make a big dent in the market, will sell in the grounds-keeper type market probably.
Watching Artisan electric on RUclips obtaining their first ev van. Does not go well. Think they are bit disappointed. Speed limiter and range problem
Sub 200 mile vans are no good. We should be able to get 250 mile vans done now. The e-nv200 was getting more 10 years ago than what is being put in now.
Good
21:10 Oops! Bobby needs to go back to magician school again 🙂
how about EC35
Are any of these coming to US🇺🇸 besides the Buzz? If so, which will be the easiest to convert to a 👨🦼WAV? (Wheelchair Accessible Vehicle)
Can we have a whipround to get Andy a new pair of jeans? A pair that aren't ripped!
Hi BYD has nothing for Europe and Britain?
100 mile range is fine for local deliveries but how about service engineers who cover the UK ? A van needs a minimum of 250 mile range no matter the weather (cold weather stopped a van charging as seen here on you tube). Battery vans may never be practical and EV car range not the best especially when fully loaded with tools etc. Cost of the van is £10k (or more) than diesel that does 600 plus miles on £90 diesel and no need to stop for 1 hr to charge. Sorry but electric vans are a token offering at present time and buying a used diesel far far cheaper.
Fast charger at 40p or 50p per kW hr costs £28 to £38.50 to charge for 100 mile to max 120 mile real range which is 39p per mile so not so cheap when diesel cost is 7p per mile.
Here in the US I agree with you 100%. These things are only viable for fixed route drivers or inner city parcel delivery. They are of extremely limited use for a tradesman or contractor who may have to work at a different location every day. I'd love to switch to EV for the cost savings on fuel there simply isn't one made (or even on the horizon) that can meet my needs.
EV vans are for short distance deliveries. Just like electric fork lifts, they have their applications. Here in the USA....we love gasoline. I use my van for long trips. A trip would take 2 to 4 times longer in an electric to charge the thing. Long live fracking!
Electric journeys take about 1 hour longer per day of your journey, assuming you only use the fastest charging portion of your battery. Whoever convinced you that they take 2-4 times longer is a liar and you shouldn’t listen to them anymore.
20 vans, 76 variants.
Looks for a van in Australia....
None. Not one.
I can import a second hand Mitsubishi Minicab or an ENV200, but nothing I could put a bed, a stove and 2 dogs.
If you were quick you could have got a byd t3 at the end of 2021. No help I know.
@@danielmulder1999 I seriously considered it, but it's too small to make a reasonable campervan. Also looked at a grey market ENV200.
Buying a Diesel Sprinter this year🤦♂️. No choice need a new van and the EV options just don’t work for my needs. 160km-220km per day I’m I Canada so need these ranges in +35C to -40C and I need the high roof extended Sprinter (or what ever) with routine loads of 500-2000 lbs. unfortunately all the EV‘s don’t even come close to these specifications. Very disappointing, annoying quite frankly, The Ford lightning specifications clearly work for my needs. But for whatever reason Ford put a tiny little battery in there transit with no option to upgrade.
Get the audio levels right.
Ask nicely.
Electric camper vans in the US please
WULING is the best
Answer to question in title => NO.
FYI: Part 2 on van charging is here: ruclips.net/video/AZ4g5nIPTFU/видео.html
You know a lot of these could almost qualify as glorified old-fashioned station wagons they’re not vans bands to business you have to be able to walk through your van vans are used for camping you have to be able to walk through them this looks like station wagon‘s to me the old station wagon said everybody bought because they piled their kids in them they were not vans they were station wagon‘s and that’s what they’re doing they’re building a long car and putting a lot of seats in it that’s not a van that’s not what we want
I'm going to be stupid and ask if someone has counted every time they said the word "van" I'm not going to fact check it but..... This is going to be fun heheh.