Gary Oliva, who is on probation for kiddie p--n in Denver, has to check in monthly with an officer, was claiming to be staying at Silver Spur halfway house, but hasn't been there in months.....I guess he told them a new location in November, but he lied about October, September and maybe the months before then. Why is he on the street, after lying about his place of residency? And where was he in those missing months?
Seriously just stop. Her family is innocent and you know who was behind it. Gillaine Maxwell was at their house that night. It's not a question. Netflix is stupid. Anyone who takes anything from nexflix seriously needs their head checked. DNA cleared her family. Her brother should sue anyone who says otherwise.
I can’t believe family and friends were allowed to come and go, and that someone told her dad to go and search the house. He then carried her upstairs, which I can imagine would have been his first reaction, but probably destroyed evidence. Patsy died without knowing what happened, and John is now advancing in age. I hope he finds the truth before it’s too late
@@madeleinealdridge1788 John and Patsy BOTH have known the truth since Dec.1997 make no mistake. Absolutely no other explanation for the DA blocking all normal probative protocol exclusively regarding the Ramsey's.
Absolutely!!!! Especially today with Genetic Genealogy dna. It solves 50 year old cold cases. Ugh. ( I sound like a broken record) but good lord! This girl deserves justice.
To know where her bedroom was, to know they use the back stairs, to know the amount of his bonus, to know where the suitcase could be found, to know where the paintbrush could be found, to know where that room was, to know where to find paper in the dark, to know where to find a pen in the dark, to navigate the maze of a Floorplan silently and in the dark.... It's should be an extremely short list of suspects.
@@Lukas583 That grand jury Farce occurred way back when dinosaurs were walking the earth deary. LOL. FYI - only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The jurors were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All. Those ‘members’ of the Boulder town public sat down 2 days a week for over 12 months at a great cost to the tax payer, they had to come up with ‘something’. Yawn. BTW - all those Idiots watched, read & listened to the Exact same False & very Salacious information via the Media, for a Very long time Prior, that all You dolts have been brainwashed with back then &/or Since. FYI - the special prosecutor by the name of Michael Kane who led them down that yellow brick road each & every day, came to his Senses & did Eventually state Publicly, that there was No evidence to charge the Ramseys with a damn thing.* The investigators Present on that day of the 26th refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolf lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake. Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime. The Ramseys & Lots of suspects, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA. The DNA from the 1st unknown male that was under her pinkie fingernail plus his Saliva in one spot of her blood in the big underpants, was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male’s DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there, being pulled up/down. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from that unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Take note of that Year. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. NOBODY would try to disguise their handwriting - by Handwriting 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad to do that & then, would tell the cops, detectives, expert homicide investigators & everyone else that they found the note on the rung of the back staircase! Nor would Anyone have put the notepad on the back hall table or would have just plopped the marker used in the pen cup. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That! Unfortunately for this case, Ron Walker & more than one BPD cop had something called Moron syndrome. And soo many within the public domain, have that in their brain cells also. The 2nd Commander put in charge of the BPD by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit or a myriad of other expert homicide investigators OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent. The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Go find that online & read it Slowly. Last December a cold case team were put together by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation & they’re on the job. The DNA being saliva, from one of the 2 perps, has been in CODIS since 2003. One of them is hispanic, as of the results in 2016. The cold case team also have the go-ahead to have both perps’ DNA reanalysed with the advanced technology & can have untested evidence items from the BPD’s dungeon, to be analysed with same. The FBI are involved with this investigation, finally. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
Some basic FACTS - Patsy was dressed & ready to go, found the note, read a few lines, raced back upstairs, found JB gone & screamed for John. She could only say about a note & JB gone, he said to call the police. 2 males had got in the kitchen door when the Ramseys went to the White’s Xmas dinner. They had broken in before & that’s why they knew where everything was & exactly what they were going to do. About 1.30 a.m., in her bed JB was choked with the cord, tasered on her back, wrapped in 2 white blankets & carried to the boiler room. When the cord was quickly released she screamed, a neighbour heard that because of the vent that went out the window of the boiler room, front of the house. Fibres from the frayed ends of the cord were found on JB’s sheet & are in evidence. Both perps ran out a dickie door through the garage, down to the back, waited under a pine tree then went back in. They had ran into the metal ladder & it hit the cement as they ran out. That was the 'crash' noise the neighbour's husband heard. Fresh pine needles came off one of their jackets & were found in the cellar & are in evidence. That was Not a garrotte, it was a complex bondage device & made by the 17 year old who was into causing fear & used electricity as part of the torture during vile acts. Due to this & positioning, plus JB was given a lot of water over this period of Hours, is why there is so much pee staining on the front of both undergarments & near to the waistbands. A square of carpet & underlay at the boiler room entry was cut out due to the pee stain & that’s in evidence. The nylon cord was bought as it had to be a bit slippery for the purpose. The knots were intricate & specific, then a certain number of ties on the wood & then the 3 loops. When that was done the rest of the cord was JB's Exact height. The end of what was actually a calligrapher’s tool that was used at her privates was cut off & never found because some deviants keep trophies. That item did Not belong to Patsy. JB was given pineapple fruitcake earlier & at 5.30 a.m. She did Not eat Any pineapple that was in that bowl, that was part of the staging, one of many. ‘The Stomach contains a small amount (8-10cc) of viscous to green to tan coloured thick material of no particulate matter identified’. ‘The Proximal Portion (top) of the Small Intestine contains fragmented pieces of yellow to light green-tan apparent vegetable or fruit material which may represent fragments of pineapple’. Arndt was there & told the ME pineapple was in a bowl. It takes 2 hours for stomach contents to go to the top of the small intestine. In Patsy’s recorded police statement of ’98, Thomas Haney told her the tiny bits of pineapple in the top of the small Intestine was Different to the pineapple in the bowl. When Patsy called 911 on the wall phone near the kitchen, JB was strangled to death in a rage on top of the dryer in the basement laundry. Cops coming meant no money. *There was a phone in that laundry. The one piece of tape was put over her mouth to stop fluids getting on their clothes & she was carried to the cellar. Then both fractures of the skull that were also pre-planned if the cops were called, 3 weapons & each is in evidence. The 1st - a brick on the top of the head that caused the huge open fracture down nearly the length of the skull. The 2nd - a utility knife & small stabs to the skull in a shape. The tool used was broken off & not found. The 3rd - was the rounded handle end of the black steel kid's ball bat & that caused the hole that the stabs started. They had planned if the cops were called, they didn't plan that Patsy would still be on the phone. That phone was in the alcove near to where they had to get out the basement door & then their exit door. Glenn Meyer was the author of the note & he organised it all for money with 3 from the house on the corner. One had a huge grudge against John in relation to a family business in Michigan. All was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if no cash was paid. Their back up for money was the taking of photos. Many items were brought into the house & staged. Many items were taken from cupboards & drawers & staged all over the house, basement & a few things outside. Meyer was secretly living in the Barnhill's basement across the road. He got to know a great deal about the Ramseys. JB's dog was mostly kept there & the kids & Patsy were over there often. Patsy gave the Barnhills many cards, letters & notes in her print writing over the years. It's easy to copy print writing & he only had to do Some letters like hers into the note as it was Supposed to look like she was trying to disguise her writing which is Impossible to do for near 3 pages & the Real experts know that fact. From his vantage point Meyer could see through both staircase windows & knew Patsy & John came down the back stairs each morning to make coffee. The note was spread out so all 3 pages would be seen, they wanted their money. The notepad was taken at the Xmas party on the 23rd. Meyer went over saying he was looking for the Barnhills worried about them ensuring he was let in. John took him to where they were sitting & he stayed. The Ramseys didn't even know who he was. This plan, JB was Never to be taken from the basement. SBTC & Victory is about a plane. Joe Barnhill was a radial gunner in WW2 & flew on the SB2C, Two - T, so SBTC. That was a famous bomber plane & lauded for bringing the war to victory. Meyer had a poster of that plane on a wall in his room, Victory was on the side of the plane. There is a photo of Barnhill holding a framed picture of that plane. From the advanced forensics, the private investigators who never gave up & as happens with lots of crimes, people talk eventually & that’s why so much is now known - Plus, due to the crime scene techs who did an excellent job in taking all the photos, videos & collecting the DNA. The Ramseys never put one foot back in that house ever again from after JB was found & they left. The trauma was way too much, but if they Had been able to, this case would have been a Very different matter for all involved. The discoveries were everywhere if the family would have seen it all with very astute investigators. But Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later because the investigators Present, refused to target the Ramseys. He later went on to Pretend that he was the lead detective. He was an ex-narcotics officer who had Zero experience with Any murder before let alone a Ransom, which Was the First crime. He thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile case. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD spent their time covering up their total incompetence. They rarely had a murder & this was their first for '96. They refused help from the FBI & the CBI. They put about False & Misleading information to the media. That amount of money was near John's bonus for '95 & was paid to him in March '96. The amount was on his pay stubs each month of '96 that were in his office. The suitcase was already placed under the window & the window opened for the 2nd time after the cops left. Both done as subterfuge. Same with the fresh green leaves that were dumped at the grate & some 'caught' under it. Early that morning, separately, 3 officers failed to go in the train room door & so through to the windows & 2 failed to pull open that cellar door. There is soo much more to this case that the public don't know about. The type of air taser used has been identified. The burns on JBs back & face are from same taser. The 2nd point was under JB's ear. The burn on her face was bigger because the point was placed there more than once - control. Google the murder of Gerald Boggs ‘93 Colorado. His autopsy photo shows the Exact same burns on his face, the 2nd point was on his earlobe. The big underpants JB was found in were put on her in the early hours. Patsy, her sister, their mother & JB went to New York Xmas shopping. Patsy bought her niece a pack of 7 underpants from Bloomingdales that were called Bloomies. They were size 12-14 & had the weekdays on the waistbands. Patsy also bought from there 2 special Barbie dolls for JB. One had her own pair of underpants also called Bloomies. JB begged her mother for the pack of 7 so she had some like her doll. Patsy gave in & they were put away for JB til she would fit into them, about 8 years away. They were put in the back of a drawer in JB's bathroom. When they got home JB went to see her dog at the Barnhills & told them about her special presents. Meyer was ever listening. JB was found in the ones that had Wednesday on the waistband. It was a Wednesday that year for Xmas Day. Access the photo or the cops’ walk-thru video & see the paint tray on the carpet. Look to the left a bit at the tray & up a bit, you will see a drawing of a sinister smirking cat's face/head on the carpet, as on the note - fat cat. That bowl (with pineapple) was used at the Xmas party on the 23rd & had the icing for the gingerbread houses that all the kids were given & they decorated themselves. That was a heavy bowl & that was icing not milk. There were No fingerprints on that bowl. The silver ladle in the bowl came from a cupboard near the spiral staircase & was from a boxed set of 2 that the Ramseys received as a wedding present & had never been opened. That was chosen & placed because of the filigree on the handle that was like the filigree on some of JB's crowns. The Ramseys were finally exonerated in 2008 due to All the evidence that showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of Plus the DNA that had Already cleared them & lots of others including known pedos & then John Mark Karr who'd said he did it. Next testing in 2016 - the cohorts DNA also on the long-johns, he's hispanic. *I have left out the details of the vile acts perpetrated upon this poor child as a bit sensitive for the page.
John lawyered up immediately with the most expensive lawyers he could find. He called his pilot and made plans to flee on his private plane that day. He ended up not leaving that day. Jon Benet's body was found at 1:00 pm on Thursday, December 26th. By Sunday, December 29th - the Ramsey's fled by plane away from Colorado and the murder investigation and stayed until April in their prior home in Atlanta. John's lawyers spent those four months negotiating with the Boulder police about the terms of interviews of the Ramseys. 1,058 pieces of evidence taken from the home. The interviews did not take place until April, 30th, 1997, - 4 months after the murder of Jon Benet. John was interviewed for only two hours. Then the Ramsey's spent the summer at their vacation retreat in Charlevoix, Mich. When the summer fun was over, they moved to their new home in Atlanta. Basically, the Ramsey's left Colorado for good after the murder of Jon Benet. On January 15, 1998 John and Patsy Ramsey refuse to submit to another round of interviews unless they can review the evidence, a condition unacceptable to police. On September 15, 1998, the Grand Jury began its investigation. After 13 months of work, the Grand Jury Indicted Patsy and John Ramsey on charges of child abuse resulting in death and being accessories to a crime. The grand jury, on the accessories count, found that Patsy and John had covered up for the murderer. "On or about December 25, and December 26, 1996 in Boulder County, Colorado, Jon Bennett Ramsey did unlawfully, knowingly, and feloniously render assistance to a person, with intent to hinder, delay and prevent the discovery, detention, apprehension, prosecution, conviction and punishment of such person for the commission of a crime, knowing the person being assisted has committed and was suspected of the crime of murder in the first degree and child abuse resulting in death." Who did the Ramsey's feloniously protect? It has to be their son, Burke. What did the DA do? He fudged his words at a press conference and lead us to believe that the Grand Jury had indicted no one - only 13 years later did it come out the the Grand Jury had found the Ramsey's guilty of felonies. John, like OJ Simpson, was a suspect in a murder. Both of them lawyered up with the best lawyers money could buy, declared innocence, and then fled town. And both of them had high net worths after the murders. Yet neither man ever spent a dime of their fortunes after the murders on investigators to "find the real criminal." John had a net worth at the end of 1996 of $6,230,628. Yet, John never spent a dime looking for the "small foreign faction." If you thought that a murderer, had strangled your 6 year old daughter and bashed her skull so hard that the bone had an 8 inch crack, and SA'd her, in a kidnapping gone wrong by "a small foreign faction," wouldn't you spend a large part of your life and wealth to find the criminals, if only to prevent them from doing it again to someone's little child?
He had an attorney that in itself doesn't prove guilt. He went to his Atlanta home for 4 months, his daughter was murdered maybe he felt it was safer for his family to leave.
@@tomv5988 why don’t you just watch some of his most recent interviews and see how guilty he acts and how much he overcompensates and reminds everyone that the “DNA didn’t match”. It isn’t difficult to plant dna. There is proof she had been being molested for a while. Who had access to her often?
It bothers me that John says, it was winter that window should have been closed. But then says he doesn’t know if it was ever fixed and they still have pieces of glass there. So, whether it was closed or not, cold air would have been pouring in, any homeowner would of at least boarded it up.
That's what blows my mind! Like if you're so damn rich that $118,000 is merely a WORK BONUS, why are you leaving a busted ass window that anyone can just wander through at any given time wide open? Why is your first course of action after getting into your house not calling someone to get it fixed? Hell, why are you busting in your own windows as opposed to calling a locksmith or something? Or just going to a coffee shop until you know your wife will get home? The window being broke and unacknowledged for months just doesn't make sense.
@@Edriely The rest of the family was in Michigan. Mervyn Pugh, handyman and Linda's husband, was there Thanksgiving weekend to wash the basement windows and was supposed to fix the window then. Why would John make up a story about breaking the window?
Yes the idea that anyone would just shrug it off is absurd -- but especially a successful executive whose daily job is following up on action items. It's also absurd that he would have entered the house that way rather than calling a locksmith (back when he says it happened).
Looks like the law enforcement is investigating from the intruder angle now. You and I don't know the "specifics" about the case. In fact, most of the arm-chair "investigators" don't know either. If you know anything about true crime, many of the crucial evidences are not disclosed to anyone. It's only known only to the criminal and the detective on the case.
@@karthy257 The parents were indicted by Grand Jury, the only evidence of an intruder comes from Lou Smit, who doesn't know how stun guns or spider webs in windows work
Embedded confession. There's so much evidence in it that its a fake which shows there never was a kidnapping. Therefore their behaviour on the morning of 26th makes so much more sense: the immediate 911 call, inviting friends over to house, John wanting to fly away, Linda Arnts gut feelings. Remove the idea of a kidnapping and it all falls into place. John is involved and patsy didn't want to be, she distances herself in it.
Patsy wrote that to cover up her husband to murder his own child. He lost a child to a previous marriage by car accident which is terrible but because of the suspicions surrounding this case for years the two deceivers in this case are John Ramsey and Burke Ramsey. Patsy was involved
I read that the maid brought 2 workers, I don’t know if they are Mexicans, to the house to help with Christmas decoration. I think they could have helped with the investigation since they spent some time in the Ramsey’s household.
I was raised in Boulder, Colorado since 77. This case has always drove me crazy, that no one could figure this out, and how poorly Boulder County handled this case in the first few hours of investigation, on. I would love to finally know once, and for all, who killed JonBenet. She was such a beautiful little girl. 🕊️ 🙏RIP JonBenet 🕊️🙏
@@Gypsyraingoddess-1 Hello 👋 just curious has BPD ever been considered a good police department over the years has it improved? What about the detectives to have any opinion on them 2024 hopefully, after all these years, someone made a difference in that department hopefully more than one
also many of the lines in the note, were taken from films that the Ramsey's had in the home. What was even more odd was the amount of money that the 'kidnappers' wanted, was the exact amount John had received as a bonus, from what I recall.
@@SerenDipity64711 I agree it's all odd. Who knew the exact amount of his bonus? This case is odd from the get go. What's sad is a child lost her life and the killer has lived a free life because no one was caught. Heart breaking.
@@AlwaysStormy88 it was probably somebody from Mr Ramsey work, he know his wages and possibly did not know even Mrs Patsy. Maybe he was jeleous about something or has any conflict with Mr Ramsey.
According to Linda Ardnt John Ramsey was missing for about 90 minutes. Earlier in the morning Fleet White went down the basement and didn't find the window open or broken. But when Linda Arndt finally found John she asks him to search from top to bottom. But John instead went down the basement and found Jonbenet straight away. I think John staged the window being broken and open it when he was missing for 90 minutes. 90 minutes is a long time to cover ur tracks
I hadn't heard that part about fleet white not seeing a broken window. Seems like a simple test of the glass would tell if it's a clean recent break. The edges of the glass would have no dust or pollen on them because John says he broke it back in the summer.
What sexually active male had ongoing and private access to victim. Victim had signs of prior SA. Who has manoeuvred LE, who was last with victim, who found victim. Who controls narrative to this day....
@ True. Regarding SA, I believe the Ramsey team has muddied the waters on that topic on purpose. I have to weed through all the propaganda to get the facts on that (had them decades ago) because so much has been refuted by “Ramsey experts” ( who got paid for their work).
The letter , with the business bit about it, kidnappers wouldnt care about a child unless they already had the child in another place , they would go straight after the source. Unless they are just bad kidnappers... However, I feel the father has alot more to do with it than clues lead to... It smells like a Fargo movie all the way...
Not to mention the freaking housekeeper said that the house was confusing to navigate, and she worked there! It was her job to know that house. Some rando being the culprit just doesn't add up.
@@sadderthanyou7793Actually John wrote the note, and it all makes sense perfectly. Don't trust the 'experts' look at John written g when not using cursive. It matches 100% It is also his words and knowledge. 'Stray dogs' foreign faction' a star trek reference, he was a big fan. His bonus amount. He wrote it after accidentally killing his daughter while sa ing her. It was to trick Patsy and dump the body.
Actually John wrote the note, and it all makes sense perfectly. Don't trust the 'experts' look at John written g when not using cursive. It matches 100% It is also his words and knowledge. 'Stray dogs' foreign faction' a star trek reference, he was a big fan. His bonus amount. He wrote it after accidentally killing his daughter while sa ing her. It was to trick Patsy and dump the body.
John wrote the note, and it all makes sense perfectly. Don't trust the 'experts' look at John written g when not using cursive. It matches 100% It is also his words and knowledge. 'Stray dogs' foreign faction' a star trek reference, he was a big fan. His bonus amount. He wrote it after accidentally killing his daughter while sa ing her. It was to trick Patsy and dump the body.
The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne went over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolf lost. Pages showing fake writing As IF Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As IF from police files, continue to appear on videos about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As IF Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake. From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. The Ramseys & Lots of suspects, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA. The DNA from the unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male’s DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there, being pulled up/down. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from that unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Take note of that Year. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - the male cohort's DNA also on the long-johns. One is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another victim bashing grifter. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. CBS & each of Kolar's fellow Con Artists were Sued due to their 'gross misleading of the public'. In other words, they're all proven Liars. NOBODY would try to disguise their handwriting - by Handwriting 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That! More than one Incompetent cop had moron syndrome so this case was Never going to be solved. The next Commander of the BPD by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. *All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit or Ollie Grey OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent. The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022 & that can be found online. Last December a cold case team were put together by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation. They also have the go-ahead to have both intruders DNA reanalysed with the advanced technology & can have untested evidence items from the BPD’s dungeon, to be analysed with same. The FBI are involved with this investigation, finally. One can only hope that this cold case team will have Integrity. And, that none will be after a book deal like certain officers from before, who are Totally responsible for every single Unfounded accusation against all Ramsey family members that goes on & on still to this day for No sound reason At All. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
This is the easiest, most simplest case to solve in history. DAD finds the body in the house. DAD takes duct tape off the deceased body’s mouth. DAD carries the body upstairs…………………… AND 30 YEARS LATER NO ONE HAS BEEN FOUND. ok ……
So let me get this right no one searched the one room that had the door shut but an intruder whos never been in the house leaves her dead in that room. 🤦♂️🤦♂️ yer na
@lisalittke4674 I know right, your daughters missing, you see no evidence of force entry so why wouldn't you be searching. Come on as a parent I'm looking everywhere 1st.
Linda Arndt was absolutely certain the killer was in that house and I have always believed her. She never said John or Burke but it wasn't Patsy according to her.
Well a man did NOT write that letter. Men don't talk that much in a day, let alone overly explain it to such detail. A woman absolutely wrote that letter. Or an incredibly immature individual who knew a lot more that a person of that age should have known
@@u.s.lawyer8542 Agree. I think it was a horrible accident and the parents helped cover it all up. There's just no ther explanation especially considering this hasn't been solved, it hasn't been solved because it was a family member and they can be charged thanks to the botched investigation.
@@PiratesRock-dm8mt exactly !! these people keep blaming the parents, the father is so old now, i feel so bad for him. there were DNA under the childs finger nails and others places, even her under wear had another male DNA
The ransom letter said “we” so how many times exactly is $118,000 going to be split?? If the letter was genuine “they” surely would demand way more, at least a million seeing as the target family were wealthy JR wants to play it down but they lived in a mansion, had a yacht, another home and a private plane!! No way as a kidnapper “we” the foreign faction would only want $118,000 I believe the family know what happened and it’s all been a cover up
@@cassietherainbowsend722I know JB had previous trauma as In SA abuse. Why can’t John explain that. Trauma before the night of death according to the medical examiner.
@@cassietherainbowsend722 Linda Arndt the first detective at the scene said It on her Interview that the medical examiner told her. Look It up her name Is Linda Arndt. Detective Steve Thomas theory was It came from corporal punishment from Patsy washing JB angrily due to bed wetting but the real answer has not been verified who done this to JB It’s alot to this case that point towards JB being abused.
Yet again John is on the mission to blur the evidence of his and Patsy's involvement in JonBenet's death. I don't know why we even still listen to his BS.
If he was guilty don’t you think he’d be going on with his life and just letting this case go cold like it has?? Only reason why this case is being talked about today is because JOHN won’t let it go! He’s trying to get justice for his daughter! I don’t understand why so many of you think otherwise! On top of that DNA has cleared the family!
She was hit on the head. She was down and looked like she was dead. Her sibling did the hitting. In the living room or basement. Brother ran off. Mom finds her. Parents created this huge seen. Dad finished the job with the garot. Sad really.
Prior SA is extremely important. Now what sexually active male had ongoing and regular access to victim, who was last with victim, who found body? Who has ALWAYS had to control narrative. ....JR
It's very sad the loss of their daughter and the weight of so many people condemning them as doing horrible things to their child. I hope they can solve it
Vinnie just blamed the investigators for botching the crime scene! What about John and Patsy Ramsey, who invited multiple people over immediately to walk through and contaminate an open crime scene? How about John ripping the tape off and disturbing the evidence by moving the body?
Wouldnt you rip that tape off your daughter and get her out of the cellar? Wouldn’t you ring your closest fam/friends and scream for help to find your daughter? If you had done it would you be stupid enough to run straight to her body? The parents did not do it.
@@CherryFlavoredAntacid Hard to do when you’re responding to a suspected kidnapping and the parents of victim invited multiple friends including their minister over to run rampant over the crime scene. The Ramseys refused to cooperate with investigators from day one.
Looking at these comments im convinced that even if they get a full dna match and find the actual culprit, some people will still believe that poor family was involved. Awful.
Sick, disgusting people WANT the sickest most disgusting things to be all a flutter about. They don’t have ALL the evidence but are everywhere stating they KNOW ALL. People suck. And smut draws sucky people. Heaven forbid something so horrible happen to any of these “armchair detectives” and they have to endure the being guilty until proven innocent hell the Ramsay’s have had to endure. See, in this country it supposed to be innocent until proven guilty but our sick disgusting public seem to WANT the opposite. Hope it doesn’t happen to them.
@@charlottew8062 sadly , you are 💯 correct. I’ll ever understand others thought process. The family would NOT still be looking for the killer after they have been cleared of this crime!
Prior SA Only sexually active male that had ongoing and private access. Last with victim, found victims body. Manoeuvred LE, Lawyered up + PR Firm. Still to this day tries to control narrative. Not questionable?
@@roxielewis4132 I definitely think the parents sold both their children in SA trafficking. The father even said he didn’t make the amount of money people thought. The ransom note how many pages??? Look at Burke Traumatized to this day and I do believe he’s Autistic and they knew that as parents . Patsy and John are the ones who had this planned and unfortunately it went to far and at the cost of their daughters life and I don’t think they ever cared
Come on 10s of people went in and out of the house and no one checked that room. Im only a dog owner but if i coulsnt find my dog i have flipped the house upside down. He was hoping someone finds her but they didn't.
Vinnie, thank you for covering this. My heart goes out to Mr. Ramsey losing his wife and his daughter. I pray they find the person who killed that little girl. I pray for Mr. Ramsey.
@@DogLover_365no the Grand jury did an indictment, da refused to prosecute it and the underwear she had on at time of murder was not hers, UTIs monthly (indicative of sa) for 18 months before the murder and on and on and on.
@@DogLover_365just because that was not his DNA does not mean anything there was a bunch of people coming in and out of that house and why was there no Footprints outside and it was snowing everything was inside what was wrapped around her neck with Patsy Ramsey's The Notebook was Patsy Ramsey's the pen she wrote one was Patsy Ramsey's pretty strange odd right
I feel like I’m in twilight zone seeing this - wow Jon Benet will never have justice because of her parents. Vinnie you not being honest all the work those police did that was blocked… sad
@@thedrunkentarot Agree. Not sure where my original response went (thanks CourtTV) so here’s another one. That was another obvious attempt at rehabilitating the Ramsey image in this case. Won’t work on those of us paying close attention over the past 28 years.
@@kayd1984 BPD ruined any hope for solving this horrible crime and I believe they were paid off . They had no business dealing with this crime. They should’ve asked for outside help they didn’t know what they were doing. They had their heads up there. You know what’s they should be in shame for the rest of their careers.
So a 9 year old who hasn’t even hit puberty caused a very strong impact to her head as he strangled and sexually assaulted her and tied the strangulation device..? That just makes no sense. One show made a show trying to point all the fingers at this nine-year-old child and it’s obvious they threw that poor kid under the bus from the get go and also tried to make patsy look like she lost her temper and did it but for some strange reason nobody even suggests John Ramsey. Why? Look at the crime , look who found her body, look how he responded to the investigation etc. Not all fathers are good fathers. Idk how he hasn’t been the main suspect right away bc no evidence even looks like a intruder except him claiming some suitcase was moved which is odd he knows that since he also said no one goes down there. What intruder even makes the murder weapon and commits the crime in the house where her parents are and then writes a long ransom letter in the house before leaving without taking the body lol who else in the house would be able to get Jonbennet from her room quietly downstairs into that maze of a basement that and feel comfortable enough to sexually assault her in his house etc. I don’t think he planned to kill her but ended up doing so assualting her and then panicked putting her in that room. Idk if patsy knew and just went along covering it up or not. But we will never know bc they aren’t going to go after John.
@@annmoore8696 I see you're more psychologically comfortable with blaming JonBenet's murder on a child than you are with blaming it on an adult like yourself.
The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing. From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolf lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake. Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime. The Ramseys & Lots of suspects, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA. The DNA from the 1st unknown male that was under her pinkie fingernail plus his Saliva in one spot of her blood in the big underpants, was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male’s DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there, being pulled up/down. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from that unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Take note of that Year. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. NOBODY would try to disguise their handwriting - by Handwriting 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That! More than one Incompetent cop had moron syndrome so this case was Never going to be solved.. The 2nd Commander put in charge of the BPD by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit or Ollie Grey OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent. The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022 & that can be found online. Last December a cold case team were put together by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation & they’re on the job. They also have the go-ahead to have both intruders DNA reanalysed with the advanced technology & can have untested evidence items from the BPD’s dungeon, to be analysed with same. The FBI are involved with this investigation, finally. One can only hope that this cold case team will have Integrity. And, that none will be after a book deal like certain officers from before, who are Totally responsible for every single Unfounded accusation against all Ramsey family members that goes on & on still to this day for No sound reason At All. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
@@bethryan9077blah blah blah saying nothing but lies and propaganda. CLEARLY everyone with a brain that knows this case knows that there is family involvement, and killers don’t sit in someone else’s home for hours writing out the longest “ransom note” in human history.
@@Moonstone115 Results between January of '97 through to 2016 - DNA from unknown male mixed with JB's DNA under both pinkie fingernails, the saliva from Same unknown male mixed in 1 of the 2 spots of JB's blood in the big underpants that the intruders put on her for a Reason, which they took from a New packet. That DNA has been in CODIS since 2003. Forensics were advancing - 2008, same unknown male's DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, inside & outside there, being pulled up/down. 2016 - his cohort's DNA also on the long-johns. One is hispanic. N.B. The intruders sure knew about DNA in relation to blood & semen, so nothing of either was found, or not yet disclosed by the authorities. They had No Idea about the soon to be advances in forensics for saliva & later, skin cells. All Ramseys were Proven Innocent a long, Long time ago but the case is still making money for those who choose to incite Hatred against them which is The only agenda for fooltube shows spouting the same old same old False information. If the public Knew all that happened in that huge house, all 4 floors & everything that was done to this child, You the public, would freak the hell out. It was Easier for the keystone cops to blame the parents. People pack up their houses & businesses when the cops don't catch very well organised highly sadistic child killers. And that was a College town to boot, full of young women. There'd be no funds to pay the mayor her wage when half the town has took off. A whole industry sprung up around this case because of all the photos & videos of such a photogenic child & her beautiful looking mother & the Wealth, oh the wealth, let's bring them down with plenty of sleaze to go with the Kool Aid & it all continues, because the U.S. just Loves to Hate on this family, it's the national Sport. Approximately 99% of the True details surrounding this case, this crime, this family & what the Plan was to do in this house, you, the general public, know Nothing about. The victims of one of The most sadistic crimes in world history could Never have known that the Boulder PD would have 7-8 investigators supposedly detecting who had Never worked a homicide case ever before & so, had never Solved one. More than one thought they could be movie stars & sought a myriad of ways to make Money from this little girl’s death. It’s way over time to leave this Proven Innocent family in Peace.
It's too bad that the FBI can not take over this case. The Boulder police are trying to save face, concerning the poor way they handled the original crime scene & corrupted it.
Its disheartening & distressing what the Ramsey family has gone through. Patsy suffered through the torture of ovarian cancer and simultaneously had society overtly treating her as the murderer of her child. The parents have been repeatedly cleared, but police missteps & egos placed the blame on them and repeatedly refused the assistance of the experts. The police department was inexperienced & didn't have a homicide department. I don't think they'd ever solved a murder. The incompetence and over confidence of the police department not only caused Patsy Ramsey to suffer for the rest of her life, but has left a child killer among us.
SPOT ON!!!💯💯💯🎯🎯🎯 Read some comments, the public is still manipulated by the lies, very sad. The Ramseys deserve support, they’re innocent. I can’t imagine being in their shoes. Heartbreaking!
If Alec Murdaugh was found guilty, these parents should have been, too. There’s no “smoking gun,” but we all know the parents know what happened and were involved somehow.
I cannot imagine the torture that Mr. Ramsey goes thru when he is reminded of t "torture and murder". Mr. Ramsey, I am SO SO SO sorry that this horrible murder of your daughter has never been solved when it appears many things could have been done by the police by now ! God bless You !
Mr. Ramsey is very good at saying, he does not know, he didn't think of that and such phrases. How can you guys entertain this man? (The ransom note, the two hour waiting window for the call the next morning were all meant to redirect the investigators attention elsewhere. What about the end of the intial 911 call?). No one got into that house!
Entertain? He is asking them to use the DNA that is very accurate. If he did this crime he would NOT be asking for this. He would be in jail if found guilty. Same for his wife or family. If he was trying to cover for someone the DNA is going to show who is responsible for this murder.
@@lisalittke4674 The DNA is not conclusive. He knows what he is doing. Don't be fooled. Everything was contaminated. RUclips has a host of information based in facts, on this case.
It's funny how so many people seem to think they know the facts. I sincerely hope the DNA reveals something. Look at facts. Speculation doesn’t resolve anything.
Burke Ramsey and Doug Stine (Burke's best friend) were playing Doctor, and when she screamed one of them hit her too hard and their families covered it up. The boys poked her with the train track (not a stun gun) to wake her up but couldn't. Doug rode the bike home leaving the tracks in the snow explaining why Burke was so adamant he got a bike for Xmas but it wasn't at the house, it's one of the reasons the case is so confusing because it's both an inside job and an outside intruder involved. The parents wiped the Xmas morning video that would have showed the children's presents and even though the Stine's were their closest friends geographically they were the only ones Patsy didn't call up and invite over that morning. The Ramsey's then moved in with the Stines and then both families moved interstate together (the Stines giving up lucrative university jobs) with Glen working for John. Susan Stine was arrested for impersonating the police chief trying to get information on the case and was nicknamed Patsy's Pitbull, all perfectly normal behavior.
This is the only time I heard a theory I actually believe. I'm the same age as jonbenet (she's two days older) so I've followed this case since I was a kid. Ive heard of the stones before but thought nothing of them
Everything points to Bill Mcreynolds, Santa. People might say he was too sick to have done it, but he wasn't too sick to take off to Spain after the murder. His own daughter was kidnapped 22 years earlier, to the exact date, perpetrator never found...and Santa left Jonbenet a note saying he'd be back to visit after Christmas 🚩🚩 Too many red flags pointing to him. Too many coincidences. I just don't think he acted alone. Lots of dark secrets in that town. Hopefully this case gets solved 🙏🏻 RIP 🕊 Jonbenet ramsey 🙏🏻 🙏🙏🙏💞🦋
While I think they ruled him out also based on this DNA, I do agree it’s very strange. There is also the fact his wife wrote a story about a young girl being taken on XMas I believe and found in a similar way.
@@mariella2884 His wife did not write a story about a young girl being taken on Christmas. She wrote a play called Hey, Rube! based on the Sylvia Likens case.
They don't have a DNA sample of the killer because the DNA was purposefully contaminated by the Ramseys. Remember, this was right after the OJ trail. The entire nations was talking about DNA evidence back then. The Ramseys knew they had to erase that.
I never ever thought the Ramseys were involved which caused a lot of friction with a friend as we were engrossed in this case. The Ramseys were treated awful and I hope at least John can see someone in prison for the murder.
Think of how many people’s dna has been obtained since this case originally happened all those years ago. New forensic dna testing needs to be done ASAP
@kimnambiar5884 @kimnambiar5884 I'm not leaning in any direction with this case, I have zero biases. But this episode has the same problem the Netflix show did. It shows only one side. With John being there, it controls a narative
@@kimnambiar5884 If you watched the new Netflix documentary, the last guy they talked about, the one that was emailing and was a pedo teacher, I've got a bad feeling about him. I feel like his explanation makes the most sense. Who knows what's really going on with the DNA, but my gut says it's that guy
we have a famous case here in Ontario Canada...Guy Paul Moran was found guilty of killing his 9 year old neighbor girl Christine Jessop and spent years in prison n he profusely insisted he never did it...when dna came out it was discovered that a good friend of her family did he...he often visited and his kids played with Christine...a few years after Guy was found guilty the killer commited suicide and no one knew he did the crime until the dna proved it n he never had to face punishment...perhaps a good friend took Jonbenets life too
*I'm sorry, I can't listen to either parent without red flags going off...* for at least KNOWING what happened and covering it up. Something just doesn't ring true for me. I could be wrong, but I dont think so. Also, another channel reported that *the parents were indicted by a grand jury with enough evidence to go to trial,* shortly after the incident, but it was then cancelled?! Is this true?! *Why was the indictment cancelled? Any chance a payment was made?* 🤢 Btw, John Ramsey has lost a wife and both daughters.
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Gary Oliva, who is on probation for kiddie p--n in Denver, has to check in monthly with an officer, was claiming to be staying at Silver Spur halfway house, but hasn't been there in months.....I guess he told them a new location in November, but he lied about October, September and maybe the months before then. Why is he on the street, after lying about his place of residency? And where was he in those missing months?
Seriously just stop. Her family is innocent and you know who was behind it. Gillaine Maxwell was at their house that night. It's not a question. Netflix is stupid. Anyone who takes anything from nexflix seriously needs their head checked. DNA cleared her family. Her brother should sue anyone who says otherwise.
I have always felt like her brother was involved or knew, he's sus to me!!!!
Someone who new the family , maybe new the house keeper , or someone in the Bolder Police.
Santa
This case should've and could've been solved long time ago.
If the DA Alex Hunter wasn't so corrupt, i wonder what filth JR had on him?
I can’t believe family and friends were allowed to come and go, and that someone told her dad to go and search the house. He then carried her upstairs, which I can imagine would have been his first reaction, but probably destroyed evidence. Patsy died without knowing what happened, and John is now advancing in age. I hope he finds the truth before it’s too late
@@madeleinealdridge1788 John and Patsy BOTH have known the truth since Dec.1997
make no mistake. Absolutely no other explanation for the DA blocking all normal probative protocol exclusively regarding the Ramsey's.
Threatened with his retirement in Hawaii
Absolutely!!!! Especially today with Genetic Genealogy dna.
It solves 50 year old cold cases. Ugh.
( I sound like a broken record) but good lord!
This girl deserves justice.
To know where her bedroom was,
to know they use the back stairs,
to know the amount of his bonus,
to know where the suitcase could be found,
to know where the paintbrush could be found,
to know where that room was,
to know where to find paper in the dark,
to know where to find a pen in the dark,
to navigate the maze of a Floorplan silently and in the dark....
It's should be an extremely short list of suspects.
It was a short list, and the grand jury chose to indict them… i love how nobody seems to bring that up with John
@@Lukas583 THIS!!
@@Lukas583 That grand jury Farce occurred way back when dinosaurs were walking the earth deary. LOL. FYI - only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The jurors were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All. Those ‘members’ of the Boulder town public sat down 2 days a week for over 12 months at a great cost to the tax payer, they had to come up with ‘something’. Yawn. BTW - all those Idiots watched, read & listened to the Exact same False & very Salacious information via the Media, for a Very long time Prior, that all You dolts have been brainwashed with back then &/or Since. FYI - the special prosecutor by the name of Michael Kane who led them down that yellow brick road each & every day, came to his Senses & did Eventually state Publicly, that there was No evidence to charge the Ramseys with a damn thing.*
The investigators Present on that day of the 26th refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolf lost.
Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake.
Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime.
The Ramseys & Lots of suspects, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA. The DNA from the 1st unknown male that was under her pinkie fingernail plus his Saliva in one spot of her blood in the big underpants, was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male’s DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there, being pulled up/down.
The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from that unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Take note of that Year.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor.
NOBODY would try to disguise their handwriting - by Handwriting 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad to do that & then, would tell the cops, detectives, expert homicide investigators & everyone else that they found the note on the rung of the back staircase! Nor would Anyone have put the notepad on the back hall table or would have just plopped the marker used in the pen cup. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!
Unfortunately for this case, Ron Walker & more than one BPD cop had something called Moron syndrome. And soo many within the public domain, have that in their brain cells also.
The 2nd Commander put in charge of the BPD by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit or a myriad of other expert homicide investigators OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent.
The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Go find that online & read it Slowly.
Last December a cold case team were put together by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation & they’re on the job. The DNA being saliva, from one of the 2 perps, has been in CODIS since 2003. One of them is hispanic, as of the results in 2016. The cold case team also have the go-ahead to have both perps’ DNA reanalysed with the advanced technology & can have untested evidence items from the BPD’s dungeon, to be analysed with same. The FBI are involved with this investigation, finally.
The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
Some basic FACTS - Patsy was dressed & ready to go, found the note, read a few lines, raced back upstairs, found JB gone & screamed for John. She could only say about a note & JB gone, he said to call the police. 2 males had got in the kitchen door when the Ramseys went to the White’s Xmas dinner. They had broken in before & that’s why they knew where everything was & exactly what they were going to do. About 1.30 a.m., in her bed JB was choked with the cord, tasered on her back, wrapped in 2 white blankets & carried to the boiler room. When the cord was quickly released she screamed, a neighbour heard that because of the vent that went out the window of the boiler room, front of the house. Fibres from the frayed ends of the cord were found on JB’s sheet & are in evidence. Both perps ran out a dickie door through the garage, down to the back, waited under a pine tree then went back in. They had ran into the metal ladder & it hit the cement as they ran out. That was the 'crash' noise the neighbour's husband heard. Fresh pine needles came off one of their jackets & were found in the cellar & are in evidence. That was Not a garrotte, it was a complex bondage device & made by the 17 year old who was into causing fear & used electricity as part of the torture during vile acts. Due to this & positioning, plus JB was given a lot of water over this period of Hours, is why there is so much pee staining on the front of both undergarments & near to the waistbands. A square of carpet & underlay at the boiler room entry was cut out due to the pee stain & that’s in evidence. The nylon cord was bought as it had to be a bit slippery for the purpose. The knots were intricate & specific, then a certain number of ties on the wood & then the 3 loops. When that was done the rest of the cord was JB's Exact height. The end of what was actually a calligrapher’s tool that was used at her privates was cut off & never found because some deviants keep trophies. That item did Not belong to Patsy. JB was given pineapple fruitcake earlier & at 5.30 a.m. She did Not eat Any pineapple that was in that bowl, that was part of the staging, one of many. ‘The Stomach contains a small amount (8-10cc) of viscous to green to tan coloured thick material of no particulate matter identified’. ‘The Proximal Portion (top) of the Small Intestine contains fragmented pieces of yellow to light green-tan apparent vegetable or fruit material which may represent fragments of pineapple’. Arndt was there & told the ME pineapple was in a bowl. It takes 2 hours for stomach contents to go to the top of the small intestine. In Patsy’s recorded police statement of ’98, Thomas Haney told her the tiny bits of pineapple in the top of the small Intestine was Different to the pineapple in the bowl. When Patsy called 911 on the wall phone near the kitchen, JB was strangled to death in a rage on top of the dryer in the basement laundry. Cops coming meant no money. *There was a phone in that laundry. The one piece of tape was put over her mouth to stop fluids getting on their clothes & she was carried to the cellar. Then both fractures of the skull that were also pre-planned if the cops were called, 3 weapons & each is in evidence. The 1st - a brick on the top of the head that caused the huge open fracture down nearly the length of the skull. The 2nd - a utility knife & small stabs to the skull in a shape. The tool used was broken off & not found. The 3rd - was the rounded handle end of the black steel kid's ball bat & that caused the hole that the stabs started. They had planned if the cops were called, they didn't plan that Patsy would still be on the phone. That phone was in the alcove near to where they had to get out the basement door & then their exit door. Glenn Meyer was the author of the note & he organised it all for money with 3 from the house on the corner. One had a huge grudge against John in relation to a family business in Michigan. All was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if no cash was paid. Their back up for money was the taking of photos. Many items were brought into the house & staged. Many items were taken from cupboards & drawers & staged all over the house, basement & a few things outside. Meyer was secretly living in the Barnhill's basement across the road. He got to know a great deal about the Ramseys. JB's dog was mostly kept there & the kids & Patsy were over there often. Patsy gave the Barnhills many cards, letters & notes in her print writing over the years. It's easy to copy print writing & he only had to do Some letters like hers into the note as it was Supposed to look like she was trying to disguise her writing which is Impossible to do for near 3 pages & the Real experts know that fact. From his vantage point Meyer could see through both staircase windows & knew Patsy & John came down the back stairs each morning to make coffee. The note was spread out so all 3 pages would be seen, they wanted their money. The notepad was taken at the Xmas party on the 23rd. Meyer went over saying he was looking for the Barnhills worried about them ensuring he was let in. John took him to where they were sitting & he stayed. The Ramseys didn't even know who he was. This plan, JB was Never to be taken from the basement. SBTC & Victory is about a plane. Joe Barnhill was a radial gunner in WW2 & flew on the SB2C, Two - T, so SBTC. That was a famous bomber plane & lauded for bringing the war to victory. Meyer had a poster of that plane on a wall in his room, Victory was on the side of the plane. There is a photo of Barnhill holding a framed picture of that plane. From the advanced forensics, the private investigators who never gave up & as happens with lots of crimes, people talk eventually & that’s why so much is now known - Plus, due to the crime scene techs who did an excellent job in taking all the photos, videos & collecting the DNA. The Ramseys never put one foot back in that house ever again from after JB was found & they left. The trauma was way too much, but if they Had been able to, this case would have been a Very different matter for all involved. The discoveries were everywhere if the family would have seen it all with very astute investigators. But Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later because the investigators Present, refused to target the Ramseys. He later went on to Pretend that he was the lead detective. He was an ex-narcotics officer who had Zero experience with Any murder before let alone a Ransom, which Was the First crime. He thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile case. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD spent their time covering up their total incompetence. They rarely had a murder & this was their first for '96. They refused help from the FBI & the CBI. They put about False & Misleading information to the media. That amount of money was near John's bonus for '95 & was paid to him in March '96. The amount was on his pay stubs each month of '96 that were in his office. The suitcase was already placed under the window & the window opened for the 2nd time after the cops left. Both done as subterfuge. Same with the fresh green leaves that were dumped at the grate & some 'caught' under it. Early that morning, separately, 3 officers failed to go in the train room door & so through to the windows & 2 failed to pull open that cellar door. There is soo much more to this case that the public don't know about. The type of air taser used has been identified. The burns on JBs back & face are from same taser. The 2nd point was under JB's ear. The burn on her face was bigger because the point was placed there more than once - control. Google the murder of Gerald Boggs ‘93 Colorado. His autopsy photo shows the Exact same burns on his face, the 2nd point was on his earlobe. The big underpants JB was found in were put on her in the early hours. Patsy, her sister, their mother & JB went to New York Xmas shopping. Patsy bought her niece a pack of 7 underpants from Bloomingdales that were called Bloomies. They were size 12-14 & had the weekdays on the waistbands. Patsy also bought from there 2 special Barbie dolls for JB. One had her own pair of underpants also called Bloomies. JB begged her mother for the pack of 7 so she had some like her doll. Patsy gave in & they were put away for JB til she would fit into them, about 8 years away. They were put in the back of a drawer in JB's bathroom. When they got home JB went to see her dog at the Barnhills & told them about her special presents. Meyer was ever listening. JB was found in the ones that had Wednesday on the waistband. It was a Wednesday that year for Xmas Day. Access the photo or the cops’ walk-thru video & see the paint tray on the carpet. Look to the left a bit at the tray & up a bit, you will see a drawing of a sinister smirking cat's face/head on the carpet, as on the note - fat cat. That bowl (with pineapple) was used at the Xmas party on the 23rd & had the icing for the gingerbread houses that all the kids were given & they decorated themselves. That was a heavy bowl & that was icing not milk. There were No fingerprints on that bowl. The silver ladle in the bowl came from a cupboard near the spiral staircase & was from a boxed set of 2 that the Ramseys received as a wedding present & had never been opened. That was chosen & placed because of the filigree on the handle that was like the filigree on some of JB's crowns. The Ramseys were finally exonerated in 2008 due to All the evidence that showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of Plus the DNA that had Already cleared them & lots of others including known pedos & then John Mark Karr who'd said he did it. Next testing in 2016 - the cohorts DNA also on the long-johns, he's hispanic. *I have left out the details of the vile acts perpetrated upon this poor child as a bit sensitive for the page.
@@bethryan9077 are you writing a novel here. Gees
I can only hope that this gets solved!!! Heartbreaking!!!!
RIP LITTLE ANGEL
The family knows the answer.
100%.
Facts!
I disagree. Their family didn’t kill JonBenét And it’s just really sad that her mom had to die before she found out who the killer was
life threatened you guess?
Definitely
John lawyered up immediately with the most expensive lawyers he could find. He called his pilot and made plans to flee on his private plane that day. He ended up not leaving that day. Jon Benet's body was found at 1:00 pm on Thursday, December 26th. By Sunday, December 29th - the Ramsey's fled by plane away from Colorado and the murder investigation and stayed until April in their prior home in Atlanta.
John's lawyers spent those four months negotiating with the Boulder police about the terms of interviews of the Ramseys.
1,058 pieces of evidence taken from the home. The interviews did not take place until April, 30th, 1997, - 4 months after the murder of Jon Benet.
John was interviewed for only two hours.
Then the Ramsey's spent the summer at their vacation retreat in Charlevoix, Mich. When the summer fun was over, they moved to their new home in Atlanta. Basically, the Ramsey's left Colorado for good after the murder of Jon Benet.
On January 15, 1998 John and Patsy Ramsey refuse to submit to another round of interviews unless they can review the evidence, a condition unacceptable to police.
On September 15, 1998, the Grand Jury began its investigation. After 13 months of work, the Grand Jury Indicted Patsy and John Ramsey on charges of child abuse resulting in death and being accessories to a crime. The grand jury, on the accessories count, found that Patsy and John had covered up for the murderer.
"On or about December 25, and December 26, 1996 in Boulder County, Colorado, Jon Bennett Ramsey did unlawfully, knowingly, and feloniously render assistance to a person, with intent to hinder, delay and prevent the discovery, detention, apprehension, prosecution, conviction and punishment of such person for the commission of a crime, knowing the person being assisted has committed and was suspected of the crime of murder in the first degree and child abuse resulting in death."
Who did the Ramsey's feloniously protect? It has to be their son, Burke.
What did the DA do? He fudged his words at a press conference and lead us to believe that the Grand Jury had indicted no one - only 13 years later did it come out the the Grand Jury had found the Ramsey's guilty of felonies.
John, like OJ Simpson, was a suspect in a murder. Both of them lawyered up with the best lawyers money could buy, declared innocence, and then fled town. And both of them had high net worths after the murders. Yet neither man ever spent a dime of their fortunes after the murders on investigators to "find the real criminal." John had a net worth at the end of 1996 of $6,230,628. Yet, John never spent a dime looking for the "small foreign faction." If you thought that a murderer, had strangled your 6 year old daughter and bashed her skull so hard that the bone had an 8 inch crack, and SA'd her, in a kidnapping gone wrong by "a small foreign faction," wouldn't you spend a large part of your life and wealth to find the criminals, if only to prevent them from doing it again to someone's little child?
He had an attorney that in itself doesn't prove guilt.
He went to his Atlanta home for 4 months, his daughter was murdered maybe he felt it was safer for his family to leave.
You are on point.
@@tomv5988 why don’t you just watch some of his most recent interviews and see how guilty he acts and how much he overcompensates and reminds everyone that the “DNA didn’t match”. It isn’t difficult to plant dna. There is proof she had been being molested for a while. Who had access to her often?
Thank you for covering this topic tonight, Vinny! We need to get to the real truth of it all!
You can expect it's going to be a long haul.
It bothers me that John says, it was winter that window should have been closed. But then says he doesn’t know if it was ever fixed and they still have pieces of glass there. So, whether it was closed or not, cold air would have been pouring in, any homeowner would of at least boarded it up.
Exactly!
That's what blows my mind! Like if you're so damn rich that $118,000 is merely a WORK BONUS, why are you leaving a busted ass window that anyone can just wander through at any given time wide open? Why is your first course of action after getting into your house not calling someone to get it fixed? Hell, why are you busting in your own windows as opposed to calling a locksmith or something? Or just going to a coffee shop until you know your wife will get home? The window being broke and unacknowledged for months just doesn't make sense.
@@Edriely The rest of the family was in Michigan. Mervyn Pugh, handyman and Linda's husband, was there Thanksgiving weekend to wash the basement windows and was supposed to fix the window then. Why would John make up a story about breaking the window?
@ yes! Why not drive to wherever someone is to get a key, there was enough of them out there 🤦🏼♀️
Yes the idea that anyone would just shrug it off is absurd -- but especially a successful executive whose daily job is following up on action items.
It's also absurd that he would have entered the house that way rather than calling a locksmith (back when he says it happened).
No evidence of an intruder, why are we still giving John Ramsey a platform after the biased Netflix doc?
Looks like the law enforcement is investigating from the intruder angle now. You and I don't know the "specifics" about the case. In fact, most of the arm-chair "investigators" don't know either. If you know anything about true crime, many of the crucial evidences are not disclosed to anyone. It's only known only to the criminal and the detective on the case.
@@karthy257 The parents were indicted by Grand Jury, the only evidence of an intruder comes from Lou Smit, who doesn't know how stun guns or spider webs in windows work
He is a master manipulator pushing a narrative. He does not fool me!!
@@karthy257 Investigators aren't doing anything, this is just a John Ramsey PR run
The *ransom note* = Red Herring
Embedded confession. There's so much evidence in it that its a fake which shows there never was a kidnapping. Therefore their behaviour on the morning of 26th makes so much more sense: the immediate 911 call, inviting friends over to house, John wanting to fly away, Linda Arnts gut feelings. Remove the idea of a kidnapping and it all falls into place.
John is involved and patsy didn't want to be, she distances herself in it.
And I always thought it was a joke!
The hostage ain't always the one you think.
@@amylandry4108 I Really Think, It is Someone, That, Knows Her Dad.
Patsy wrote that to cover up her husband to murder his own child. He lost a child to a previous marriage by car accident which is terrible but because of the suspicions surrounding this case for years the two deceivers in this case are John Ramsey and Burke Ramsey. Patsy was involved
That Netflix doc convinced me the murderer was one of the family.
You’re one hundred percent right! Many people knew this immediately, however, justice was blocked by local corruption (from what I heard).
@@BlueRaven-q2x Dr Cyril Wecht got it right. John.
I read that the maid brought 2 workers, I don’t know if they are Mexicans, to the house to help with Christmas decoration. I think they could have helped with the investigation since they spent some time in the Ramsey’s household.
@@marciasitonio409 she also claimed to see the teacher POI in the garage before the murder, which if a lie, what was her motive to lie about that
@ , she definitely knows about something. They should do DNA test in all the people that entered the house weeks prior to the crime.
Very polite intruder who didn’t demand anything beyond John’s bonus.
Yep, and instructs him to get rest
and doesnt even disturb a cobweb on the window! what a nice guy..
@@Lumi1414 and also says “we respect your business.” So polite.
@@scottmacdonald6096and also refer to his accomplices as “gentlemen.” This guy sound like a villain from a Hollywood script.
I think a young person from the neighborhood did it. I don’t think he knew how to write big numbers so he just copied what was on the paystub bonus.
I was raised in Boulder, Colorado since 77. This case has always drove me crazy, that no one could figure this out, and how poorly Boulder County handled this case in the first few hours of investigation, on. I would love to finally know once, and for all, who killed JonBenet. She was such a beautiful little girl. 🕊️ 🙏RIP JonBenet 🕊️🙏
@@johnmason1648 Don't you have anything better to do?
Don't be so nasty there's nothing what's so ever wrong with the previous comment
@@Gypsyraingoddess-1 Hello 👋 just curious has BPD ever been considered a good police department over the years has it improved? What about the detectives to have any opinion on them 2024 hopefully, after all these years, someone made a difference in that department hopefully more than one
The ramson note starts off mr ramsey. The practice note says mr& mrs ramsey. The " killer" decided to leave patsy out of the note in the final draft!
@@AlwaysStormy88 wow, you’re right! Forgot about that. Always wondered why this was addressed to just John.
Patsy didn't want to seen to be involved.
also many of the lines in the note, were taken from films that the Ramsey's had in the home. What was even more odd was the amount of money that the 'kidnappers' wanted, was the exact amount John had received as a bonus, from what I recall.
@@SerenDipity64711 I agree it's all odd. Who knew the exact amount of his bonus? This case is odd from the get go. What's sad is a child lost her life and the killer has lived a free life because no one was caught. Heart breaking.
@@AlwaysStormy88 it was probably somebody from Mr Ramsey work, he know his wages and possibly did not know even Mrs Patsy. Maybe he was jeleous about something or has any conflict with Mr Ramsey.
According to Linda Ardnt John Ramsey was missing for about 90 minutes. Earlier in the morning Fleet White went down the basement and didn't find the window open or broken. But when Linda Arndt finally found John she asks him to search from top to bottom. But John instead went down the basement and found Jonbenet straight away. I think John staged the window being broken and open it when he was missing for 90 minutes. 90 minutes is a long time to cover ur tracks
@@danx3504 I agree!
I don’t think so.
@@shannonchadwick-b2w I think so. The bloke is a cunning individual
@danx3504 John wrote the note too, to trick Patsy.
I hadn't heard that part about fleet white not seeing a broken window. Seems like a simple test of the glass would tell if it's a clean recent break. The edges of the glass would have no dust or pollen on them because John says he broke it back in the summer.
Why haven’t the killer come back for John if it wasn’t about the little girl
@@Trial-watcher2023 good question! Why also not fear for Burke’s safety? They sent him packing over to a friend’s house that day instead.
@@Trial-watcher2023 Exactly. Or Burke. He wasn’t exactly held close to his parents that day.
Because the son and father is resppnsible
The advanced labs have been bribed to NOT exposefather and son
Because case got high profiled
Is this just an hour long “think tank?!”Just more speculation and hearsay…
I’m over it.
I agree.
Keeping it relevant. That's still doing something.
No, it's in response to new statements by boulder police and what they're doing now for the case and response to a Netflix doc
@@MistySeer1111 It is pretty relevant, right now.
@@jordanleighwheatley exactly.
26.12.1996 rest in peace JonBenet would have been 36 did not deserve to murdered
She would've been 34. I was born literally two days after jonbenet 08.08.1990
@@PaulMchugh-b3bmy daughter was born the same year this happened. 😢
They know who did it!! and they continue to protect him, no more of this story please
Who done it?
The father and mother
It is smoke and mirrors. Big attempt at deflection now that Ramsey is getting old and wants the focus on anyone else except him and his son.
What sexually active male had ongoing and private access to victim.
Victim had signs of prior SA.
Who has manoeuvred LE, who was last with victim, who found victim.
Who controls narrative to this day....
@ True. Regarding SA, I believe the Ramsey team has muddied the waters on that topic on purpose. I have to weed through all the propaganda to get the facts on that (had them decades ago) because so much has been refuted by “Ramsey experts” ( who got paid for their work).
I think the father did it. He wrote the ransom note, with the intention of taking her body out of the house
As an observing Brit, the ongoing incompetence of many Police investigations is just staggering!
The letter , with the business bit about it, kidnappers wouldnt care about a child unless they already had the child in another place , they would go straight after the source. Unless they are just bad kidnappers... However, I feel the father has alot more to do with it than clues lead to... It smells like a Fargo movie all the way...
No greasy Santa, and no onions
A greasy deal gone bad
The letter offers more info, just look very close about the business aspect
The next question is why?
God bless this little girl's soul
Pasty said herself that an intruder wouldn't know where the winecellar was 🤔
Not to mention the freaking housekeeper said that the house was confusing to navigate, and she worked there! It was her job to know that house. Some rando being the culprit just doesn't add up.
It was a house not a College, come on
My heart goes to this case from the time I watched it before then and now. I am glad things are resolving. She needs justice. ❤
I've been following this case since I was a teenager. I really hope this family can get closure.
John knows. Wrecked crime scene, wouldn’t talk to fbi that day and flew with/ family later that day to Georgia. Pathetic…..
No he does Not, no he did Not, never Saw an FBI guy, did Not go to Georgia. Pathetic, yes You are.
Sorry but I still think Patsy wrote that note.
Patsy wrote that note, but John killed JB (or his pedo accomplice).
@@sadderthanyou7793Actually John wrote the note, and it all makes sense perfectly.
Don't trust the 'experts' look at John written g when not using cursive. It matches 100%
It is also his words and knowledge. 'Stray dogs' foreign faction' a star trek reference, he was a big fan. His bonus amount.
He wrote it after accidentally killing his daughter while sa ing her. It was to trick Patsy and dump the body.
Actually John wrote the note, and it all makes sense perfectly.
Don't trust the 'experts' look at John written g when not using cursive. It matches 100%
It is also his words and knowledge. 'Stray dogs' foreign faction' a star trek reference, he was a big fan. His bonus amount.
He wrote it after accidentally killing his daughter while sa ing her. It was to trick Patsy and dump the body.
John wrote the note, and it all makes sense perfectly.
Don't trust the 'experts' look at John written g when not using cursive. It matches 100%
It is also his words and knowledge. 'Stray dogs' foreign faction' a star trek reference, he was a big fan. His bonus amount.
He wrote it after accidentally killing his daughter while sa ing her. It was to trick Patsy and dump the body.
@@silvio.r8443 He dictated the note, but Patsy wrote it down. She was his slave - without his money, there would be no cancer treatment.
Stop lying John! There was no intruder! You know exactly what happened!
Everybody know o.j Simpson killed Nicole and Everybody know the Ramseys got away with it
I'm not everybody, even oj might be not guilty
Exactly 💯 percent agree 😢
@@jonruffin3404 you’re correct on part of this statement
The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne went over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolf lost.
Pages showing fake writing As IF Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As IF from police files, continue to appear on videos about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As IF Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake.
From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public.
The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another.
The Ramseys & Lots of suspects, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA. The DNA from the unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male’s DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there, being pulled up/down. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from that unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Take note of that Year.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - the male cohort's DNA also on the long-johns. One is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor.
Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another victim bashing grifter. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. CBS & each of Kolar's fellow Con Artists were Sued due to their 'gross misleading of the public'. In other words, they're all proven Liars.
NOBODY would try to disguise their handwriting - by Handwriting 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That! More than one Incompetent cop had moron syndrome so this case was Never going to be solved.
The next Commander of the BPD by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
*All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit or Ollie Grey OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent.
The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022 & that can be found online. Last December a cold case team were put together by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation. They also have the go-ahead to have both intruders DNA reanalysed with the advanced technology & can have untested evidence items from the BPD’s dungeon, to be analysed with same. The FBI are involved with this investigation, finally.
One can only hope that this cold case team will have Integrity. And, that none will be after a book deal like certain officers from before, who are Totally responsible for every single Unfounded accusation against all Ramsey family members that goes on & on still to this day for No sound reason At All.
The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
@@reneahetrick8142 You too are a member of The worst brain dead Cult in recent history. Congrats.
This is the easiest, most simplest case to solve in history. DAD finds the body in the house. DAD takes duct tape off the deceased body’s mouth. DAD carries the body upstairs…………………… AND 30 YEARS LATER NO ONE HAS BEEN FOUND. ok ……
And will never be. He called lawyers in immediately.
John Ramsey loves feeling like he has all the control/power
open your eyes
not family
Lmao what are you basing that on!?
😂 @@notsorryyouretriggered
So let me get this right no one searched the one room that had the door shut but an intruder whos never been in the house leaves her dead in that room. 🤦♂️🤦♂️ yer na
The police didn't search that room like the rest of the house.
@lisalittke4674 I know right, your daughters missing, you see no evidence of force entry so why wouldn't you be searching. Come on as a parent I'm looking everywhere 1st.
Linda Arndt was absolutely certain the killer was in that house and I have always believed her. She never said John or Burke but it wasn't Patsy according to her.
Well a man did NOT write that letter. Men don't talk that much in a day, let alone overly explain it to such detail. A woman absolutely wrote that letter. Or an incredibly immature individual who knew a lot more that a person of that age should have known
Lies and DNA cleared them. I hope you're all sued for your slander and attack on those innocent people. You're sick.
It was Patsy
@@u.s.lawyer8542 Agree. I think it was a horrible accident and the parents helped cover it all up.
There's just no ther explanation especially considering this hasn't been solved, it hasn't been solved because it was a family member and they can be charged thanks to the botched investigation.
@@PiratesRock-dm8mt exactly !! these people keep blaming the parents, the father is so old now, i feel so bad for him. there were DNA under the childs finger nails and others places, even her under wear had another male DNA
The ransom letter said “we” so how many times exactly is $118,000 going to be split??
If the letter was genuine “they” surely would demand way more, at least a million seeing as the target family were wealthy
JR wants to play it down but they lived in a mansion, had a yacht, another home and a private plane!!
No way as a kidnapper “we” the foreign faction would only want $118,000 I believe the family know what happened and it’s all been a cover up
They wanted that bonus, didn't know if John had much more money to ask for more.
Did he really have a private plane? Or was it his company’s plane that you speak of as if you know all?
@@cassietherainbowsend722I know JB had previous trauma as In SA abuse. Why can’t John explain that. Trauma before the night of death according to the medical examiner.
@@BigShotPop2 I’ve not heard that from any credible source. I’ve heard the opposite
@@cassietherainbowsend722 Linda Arndt the first detective at the scene said It on her Interview that the medical examiner told her. Look It up her name Is Linda Arndt. Detective Steve Thomas theory was It came from corporal punishment from Patsy washing JB angrily due to bed wetting but the real answer has not been verified who done this to JB It’s alot to this case that point towards JB being abused.
John likes to muddy the waters. The more confusion created, the further removed he appears to be from the centre of things.
He does not fool me nor did Patsy!
He's the one pushing for this to be solved. No one else.
Yet again John is on the mission to blur the evidence of his and Patsy's involvement in JonBenet's death. I don't know why we even still listen to his BS.
youre a delusional cretin
Then wtf are you here? You can go on and watch something else 🤦🏻♀️
@@wioi I'm here for the sake of what's called "critical thinking".
If he was guilty don’t you think he’d be going on with his life and just letting this case go cold like it has?? Only reason why this case is being talked about today is because JOHN won’t let it go! He’s trying to get justice for his daughter! I don’t understand why so many of you think otherwise! On top of that DNA has cleared the family!
@@TammyM36touch dna not bodily fluids.
She was hit on the head. She was down and looked like she was dead. Her sibling did the hitting. In the living room or basement. Brother ran off. Mom finds her. Parents created this huge seen. Dad finished the job with the garot. Sad really.
Man how you keep up with all these cases really baffles me. Devotion in action i guess!! We love and appreciate your work !!!
? You're entertaining her murderer/ perpetrator? That Netflix series was a ton of b.s. avoiding ALL the actual evidence that matters. smdh
Agree
🎯
Prior SA is extremely important.
Now what sexually active male had ongoing and regular access to victim, who was last with victim, who found body?
Who has ALWAYS had to control narrative.
....JR
Netflix is sooo good at trusting the truth! Kind of like theor take of the Johnny Depp/heard case. That was PATHETIC!!
@@kkflaing Amen!
John-- COME CLEAN 🙄
and say who done that worked for you
Grow a brain John!!
Grow a brain John
That doesn’t make sense, it wouldn’t be in the papers the next day, it would take a day or two…
It’s the parents, it always has been.
If her father didn't do it then he knows who did it and is covering for them. The end.
really? how smart
Nope
I think it's more likely the mother did it and she ever even told John. He thinks she's innocent
I Pray it gets solved that JB and family can have closer ! Thanks Vinnie 😊❤🇨🇦👍
John prays (to Satan) it doesn't get solved, or he would go to jail.
This family suffered so much … Boulder police completely mishandled the whole case… what a shame..
Patsy wrote the note!
Burke broke the skull.
💯👏👏
I remember this in real time. I can't believe its not been solved after decades. Prayers for John and Burke.
What will your prayers to a non-existent sky fairy do?
@aarons6935 that's uncalled for
Aarons6935,
What will your rude and obnoxious comments to a complete stranger do?
It's very sad the loss of their daughter and the weight of so many people condemning them as doing horrible things to their child. I hope they can solve it
Vinnie just blamed the investigators for botching the crime scene! What about John and Patsy Ramsey, who invited multiple people over immediately to walk through and contaminate an open crime scene? How about John ripping the tape off and disturbing the evidence by moving the body?
John isn’t a criminalist.
Implicating John gets news networks sued for large amounts of money. John's won a lot of cases so far
Wouldnt you rip that tape off your daughter and get her out of the cellar?
Wouldn’t you ring your closest fam/friends and scream for help to find your daughter?
If you had done it would you be stupid enough to run straight to her body?
The parents did not do it.
Because John and Patsy aren’t law enforcement. The cops should have secured the crime scene right away.
@@CherryFlavoredAntacid Hard to do when you’re responding to a suspected kidnapping and the parents of victim invited multiple friends including their minister over to run rampant over the crime scene. The Ramseys refused to cooperate with investigators from day one.
THE FAMILY DID IT, NOTHING ELSE MAKES SENSE!!!
of course because they couldn't leave her home alone. What if 24 more people were there? Family still suspects
💯
Looking at these comments im convinced that even if they get a full dna match and find the actual culprit, some people will still believe that poor family was involved. Awful.
Burke is nervous
you are absolutely right. these people are unhinged and beyond help
YES....AWFUL! But at least the family will know!!!
Sick, disgusting people WANT the sickest most disgusting things to be all a flutter about.
They don’t have ALL the evidence but are everywhere stating they KNOW ALL. People suck. And smut draws sucky people.
Heaven forbid something so horrible happen to any of these “armchair detectives” and they have to endure the being guilty until proven innocent hell the Ramsay’s have had to endure. See, in this country it supposed to be innocent until proven guilty but our sick disgusting public seem to WANT the opposite. Hope it doesn’t happen to them.
@@charlottew8062 sadly , you are 💯 correct. I’ll ever understand others thought process. The family would NOT still be looking for the killer after they have been cleared of this crime!
I don't think her dad did it....I really don't.
Prior SA
Only sexually active male that had ongoing and private access.
Last with victim, found victims body.
Manoeuvred LE, Lawyered up + PR Firm.
Still to this day tries to control narrative.
Not questionable?
Who knows who actually "DID" it... they ALL complied in the end.
@@roxielewis4132 I definitely think the parents sold both their children in SA trafficking. The father even said he didn’t make the amount of money people thought. The ransom note how many pages??? Look at Burke Traumatized to this day and I do believe he’s Autistic and they knew that as parents . Patsy and John are the ones who had this planned and unfortunately it went to far and at the cost of their daughters life and I don’t think they ever cared
He did not ,,, he just covered it up
He most likely did, as the autopsy proved JB was molested vaginally years prior to her death.
everything they say seems too rehearsed.
Why does the music need to be louder than their words?!?! Please!
Come on 10s of people went in and out of the house and no one checked that room. Im only a dog owner but if i coulsnt find my dog i have flipped the house upside down. He was hoping someone finds her but they didn't.
Agreed
Vinnie, thank you for covering this. My heart goes out to Mr. Ramsey losing his wife and his daughter. I pray they find the person who killed that little girl. I pray for Mr. Ramsey.
Agreed!!
He's so guilty
@@shannonwilson1416Nope. He was cleared. DNA did NOT match.
@@DogLover_365no the Grand jury did an indictment, da refused to prosecute it and the underwear she had on at time of murder was not hers, UTIs monthly (indicative of sa) for 18 months before the murder and on and on and on.
@@DogLover_365just because that was not his DNA does not mean anything there was a bunch of people coming in and out of that house and why was there no Footprints outside and it was snowing everything was inside what was wrapped around her neck with Patsy Ramsey's The Notebook was Patsy Ramsey's the pen she wrote one was Patsy Ramsey's pretty strange odd right
Father knows!!
I feel like I’m in twilight zone seeing this - wow Jon Benet will never have justice because of her parents. Vinnie you not being honest all the work those police did that was blocked… sad
Well said. Yeah I think Vinnie is being deceptive here, must be fearful of a lawsuit or getting paid by John Ramsey. Nothing like injecting 💯 bias.
@@thedrunkentarot Agree. Not sure where my original response went (thanks CourtTV) so here’s another one. That was another obvious attempt at rehabilitating the Ramsey image in this case. Won’t work on those of us paying close attention over the past 28 years.
@ yes it is horrible lingers for me on my death bed I want to hear truth
@@thedrunkentarot I think we all know it now. And that’s all we’ll ever get.
Not true
Amazing show, my prayers always are with the Ramsey family. I am so sorry for your years of suffering and I pray there is resolution soon ♥️
Amen !
@@kayd1984 BPD ruined any hope for solving this horrible crime and I believe they were paid off . They had no business dealing with this crime. They should’ve asked for outside help they didn’t know what they were doing. They had their heads up there. You know what’s they should be in shame for the rest of their careers.
@@lightfeather6238You have great insight to this case
Unfortunately the killer is either dead or sickly. I’m 99% sure they’ll never find him/her. Let this poor girl test in peace.🙏
Her brother. The parents, particularly Patsy covered it up.
Yes! Her brother killed her
So a 9 year old who hasn’t even hit puberty caused a very strong impact to her head as he strangled and sexually assaulted her and tied the strangulation device..? That just makes no sense. One show made a show trying to point all the fingers at this nine-year-old child and it’s obvious they threw that poor kid under the bus from the get go and also tried to make patsy look like she lost her temper and did it but for some strange reason nobody even suggests John Ramsey. Why? Look at the crime , look who found her body, look how he responded to the investigation etc. Not all fathers are good fathers. Idk how he hasn’t been the main suspect right away bc no evidence even looks like a intruder except him claiming some suitcase was moved which is odd he knows that since he also said no one goes down there. What intruder even makes the murder weapon and commits the crime in the house where her parents are and then writes a long ransom letter in the house before leaving without taking the body lol who else in the house would be able to get Jonbennet from her room quietly downstairs into that maze of a basement that and feel comfortable enough to sexually assault her in his house etc. I don’t think he planned to kill her but ended up doing so assualting her and then panicked putting her in that room. Idk if patsy knew and just went along covering it up or not. But we will never know bc they aren’t going to go after John.
@@annmoore8696
I see you're more psychologically comfortable with blaming JonBenet's murder on a child than you are with blaming it on an adult like yourself.
JOHN IS THE ONLY ONE BLOCKING TO BE SOLVED
Is John Ramsey an expert on DNA?? We need an impartial commentary by an expert as this can bring bias in the case...
It's the parents. The mom wrote the ransom letter.
The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing.
From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public.
The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolf lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake.
Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime.
The Ramseys & Lots of suspects, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA. The DNA from the 1st unknown male that was under her pinkie fingernail plus his Saliva in one spot of her blood in the big underpants, was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male’s DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there, being pulled up/down. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from that unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Take note of that Year.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor.
Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
NOBODY would try to disguise their handwriting - by Handwriting 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That! More than one Incompetent cop had moron syndrome so this case was Never going to be solved..
The 2nd Commander put in charge of the BPD by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit or Ollie Grey OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent.
The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022 & that can be found online.
Last December a cold case team were put together by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation & they’re on the job. They also have the go-ahead to have both intruders DNA reanalysed with the advanced technology & can have untested evidence items from the BPD’s dungeon, to be analysed with same. The FBI are involved with this investigation, finally.
One can only hope that this cold case team will have Integrity. And, that none will be after a book deal like certain officers from before, who are Totally responsible for every single Unfounded accusation against all Ramsey family members that goes on & on still to this day for No sound reason At All.
The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
@@bethryan9077blah blah blah saying nothing but lies and propaganda. CLEARLY everyone with a brain that knows this case knows that there is family involvement, and killers don’t sit in someone else’s home for hours writing out the longest “ransom note” in human history.
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@@Moonstone115 Results between January of '97 through to 2016 - DNA from unknown male mixed with JB's DNA under both pinkie fingernails, the saliva from Same unknown male mixed in 1 of the 2 spots of JB's blood in the big underpants that the intruders put on her for a Reason, which they took from a New packet. That DNA has been in CODIS since 2003. Forensics were advancing - 2008, same unknown male's DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, inside & outside there, being pulled up/down. 2016 - his cohort's DNA also on the long-johns. One is hispanic. N.B. The intruders sure knew about DNA in relation to blood & semen, so nothing of either was found, or not yet disclosed by the authorities. They had No Idea about the soon to be advances in forensics for saliva & later, skin cells.
All Ramseys were Proven Innocent a long, Long time ago but the case is still making money for those who choose to incite Hatred against them which is The only agenda for fooltube shows spouting the same old same old False information. If the public Knew all that happened in that huge house, all 4 floors & everything that was done to this child, You the public, would freak the hell out. It was Easier for the keystone cops to blame the parents. People pack up their houses & businesses when the cops don't catch very well organised highly sadistic child killers. And that was a College town to boot, full of young women. There'd be no funds to pay the mayor her wage when half the town has took off.
A whole industry sprung up around this case because of all the photos & videos of such a photogenic child & her beautiful looking mother & the Wealth, oh the wealth, let's bring them down with plenty of sleaze to go with the Kool Aid & it all continues, because the U.S. just Loves to Hate on this family, it's the national Sport.
Approximately 99% of the True details surrounding this case, this crime, this family & what the Plan was to do in this house, you, the general public, know Nothing about.
The victims of one of The most sadistic crimes in world history could Never have known that the Boulder PD would have 7-8 investigators supposedly detecting who had Never worked a homicide case ever before & so, had never Solved one. More than one thought they could be movie stars & sought a myriad of ways to make Money from this little girl’s death.
It’s way over time to leave this Proven Innocent family in Peace.
It's too bad that the FBI can not take over this case. The Boulder police are trying to save face, concerning the poor way they handled the original crime scene & corrupted it.
Its disheartening & distressing what the Ramsey family has gone through. Patsy suffered through the torture of ovarian cancer and simultaneously had society overtly treating her as the murderer of her child. The parents have been repeatedly cleared, but police missteps & egos placed the blame on them and repeatedly refused the assistance of the experts. The police department was inexperienced & didn't have a homicide department. I don't think they'd ever solved a murder.
The incompetence and over confidence of the police department not only caused Patsy Ramsey to suffer for the rest of her life, but has left a child killer among us.
SPOT ON!!!💯💯💯🎯🎯🎯 Read some comments, the public is still manipulated by the lies, very sad. The Ramseys deserve support, they’re innocent. I can’t imagine being in their shoes. Heartbreaking!
But how can you explain the ransom note pointing towards the mother having written it? Don't you think that's a bit bizzare?
Lol. You can tell you have watched the Netflix doc and know nothing else of this case.
Justice for Jonbenet Ramsey's ❤😢
If Alec Murdaugh was found guilty, these parents should have been, too.
There’s no “smoking gun,” but we all know the parents know what happened and were involved somehow.
Yep.....I believe it was the brother.
I cannot imagine the torture that Mr. Ramsey goes thru when he is reminded of t "torture and murder". Mr. Ramsey, I am SO SO SO sorry that this horrible murder of your daughter has never been solved when it appears many things could have been done by the police by now ! God bless You !
Mr. Ramsey is very good at saying, he does not know, he didn't think of that and such phrases. How can you guys entertain this man?
(The ransom note, the two hour waiting window for the call the next morning were all meant to redirect the investigators attention elsewhere. What about the end of the intial 911 call?).
No one got into that house!
Agreed and so much more than you even say. Grand jury wanted to bring charges but the Ramsey's had too much power and $.
Agreed ,that girl was already dead, they just brought her home and thought how are we going to cover this up ,she was devently placed their.
Entertain? He is asking them to use the DNA that is very accurate. If he did this crime he would NOT be asking for this. He would be in jail if found guilty. Same for his wife or family. If he was trying to cover for someone the DNA is going to show who is responsible for this murder.
@@lisalittke4674 The DNA is not conclusive.
He knows what he is doing. Don't be fooled. Everything was contaminated. RUclips has a host of information based in facts, on this case.
The WINDOW DEAR HAD COBWEBS 😮 GET REAL
How does John go from being certain that he broke the window. To in the same sentence saying he may or may not have broken the window??
STOP repeating the little girl on stage! It’s not relevant after the first time 😡
So we're not going to examine Patsy's hand writing here? Or discuss the 911 call? Or Grand Jury indictment?
Bias!
The Bolder PD should be ashamed. It's time to give the Ramsey family justice.
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It's funny how so many people seem to think they know the facts. I sincerely hope the DNA reveals something. Look at facts. Speculation doesn’t resolve anything.
It's not a secret her older brother killed her. And the parents covered it up because they didn't want him to get in trouble. He was jealous of her.
Oh wow Columbo you just cracked the case. Come on, you have no clue what you're talking about.
Ok, Psychic Casie @casie5927
@Dougwarren69 - If I remember correctly it was organizer close to the family, If I remember?!?!
He was 9 ffs
I myself believe that he killed her and he hit her with the Flashlight that was on the kitchen counter when she was having her pineapple
Burke Ramsey and Doug Stine (Burke's best friend) were playing Doctor, and when she screamed one of them hit her too hard and their families covered it up. The boys poked her with the train track (not a stun gun) to wake her up but couldn't. Doug rode the bike home leaving the tracks in the snow explaining why Burke was so adamant he got a bike for Xmas but it wasn't at the house, it's one of the reasons the case is so confusing because it's both an inside job and an outside intruder involved. The parents wiped the Xmas morning video that would have showed the children's presents and even though the Stine's were their closest friends geographically they were the only ones Patsy didn't call up and invite over that morning. The Ramsey's then moved in with the Stines and then both families moved interstate together (the Stines giving up lucrative university jobs) with Glen working for John. Susan Stine was arrested for impersonating the police chief trying to get information on the case and was nicknamed Patsy's Pitbull, all perfectly normal behavior.
This is the only time I heard a theory I actually believe. I'm the same age as jonbenet (she's two days older) so I've followed this case since I was a kid. Ive heard of the stones before but thought nothing of them
Everything points to Bill Mcreynolds, Santa. People might say he was too sick to have done it, but he wasn't too sick to take off to Spain after the murder. His own daughter was kidnapped 22 years earlier, to the exact date, perpetrator never found...and Santa left Jonbenet a note saying he'd be back to visit after Christmas 🚩🚩 Too many red flags pointing to him. Too many coincidences. I just don't think he acted alone. Lots of dark secrets in that town. Hopefully this case gets solved 🙏🏻 RIP 🕊 Jonbenet ramsey 🙏🏻 🙏🙏🙏💞🦋
While I think they ruled him out also based on this DNA, I do agree it’s very strange. There is also the fact his wife wrote a story about a young girl being taken on XMas I believe and found in a similar way.
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His wife did not write a story about a young girl being taken on Christmas. She wrote a play called Hey, Rube! based on the Sylvia Likens case.
Whoa really 😮 this and OJ started my love of truecrime mysteries
They have a DNA sample of the killer
It's mixed DNA 3 people
@@sociallypatterneddefect9580 one of the three did it
@@sociallypatterneddefect9580 2.. thats why it’s called 2 donors .. one being jonbenets .. and one of a unidentified male ..
I don’t believe in the DNA theory ..if any, I think it was part of the cover up (planted)
They don't have a DNA sample of the killer because the DNA was purposefully contaminated by the Ramseys. Remember, this was right after the OJ trail. The entire nations was talking about DNA evidence back then. The Ramseys knew they had to erase that.
I never ever thought the Ramseys were involved which caused a lot of friction with a friend as we were engrossed in this case. The Ramseys were treated awful and I hope at least John can see someone in prison for the murder.
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Her mom and dad know
Just PR by the father
Building a narrative and everyone is falling for it. I'm not fooled by him one bit!
I don’t know who did it but it wasn’t an intruder.
I’m really disappointed that many still think the family is guilty even when DNA has cleared them. Just unbelievable.
I know right? The family didn't do this
The scene was contaminated and cmon, the ransom note was ridiculous. One or both of the parents did it
@@thomasprim8274 no they didn’t.
@@brett8532 you’re wrong. And I hope you’re never in my jury if I ever need one.
@TammyM36 why? Like I think it's intruder. U?
Her dad 100 %
Burke
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I'll bet it gives you an erection blaming Burke.
Both of them!
He assumed Patsy had the window repaired?! 🤨 that’s such an odd assumption coming from the Husband yikes.
Think of how many people’s dna has been obtained since this case originally happened all those years ago. New forensic dna testing needs to be done ASAP
I know who DID NOT! Her mother and father loved her and you can feel that through the screen . RIP to Jonbenet and Patsy
Lol, ooooh you know? But you won't tell, huh?
Never one tear from either of them and they smirked and smiled their way through all the tv interviews
I've always thought it was someone from his company! Perhaps at his house during the Holiday visits!
The second Vinnie announced John Ramsey's name as a guest, I knew exactly the bias and the route this episode was going to take.
Why am I surprised
But didn’t John initiate this new investigation?
@kimnambiar5884 @kimnambiar5884 I'm not leaning in any direction with this case, I have zero biases. But this episode has the same problem the Netflix show did. It shows only one side. With John being there, it controls a narative
@ hope the truth is revealed soon.
@@kimnambiar5884 If you watched the new Netflix documentary, the last guy they talked about, the one that was emailing and was a pedo teacher, I've got a bad feeling about him. I feel like his explanation makes the most sense. Who knows what's really going on with the DNA, but my gut says it's that guy
@ will await the findings. Anything is possible !
JonBenet brother did it, could have been a accident and the parents covered it up, have you seen this guy
I've always believed that Burke did accidentally kill her and the parents covered it up so they won't lose their son as well
Y’all should try reading another book.
we have a famous case here in Ontario Canada...Guy Paul Moran was found guilty of killing his 9 year old neighbor girl Christine Jessop and spent years in prison n he profusely insisted he never did it...when dna came out it was discovered that a good friend of her family did he...he often visited and his kids played with Christine...a few years after Guy was found guilty the killer commited suicide and no one knew he did the crime until the dna proved it n he never had to face punishment...perhaps a good friend took Jonbenets life too
*I'm sorry, I can't listen to either parent without red flags going off...* for at least KNOWING what happened and covering it up. Something just doesn't ring true for me. I could be wrong, but I dont think so.
Also, another channel reported that *the parents were indicted by a grand jury with enough evidence to go to trial,* shortly after the incident, but it was then cancelled?! Is this true?! *Why was the indictment cancelled? Any chance a payment was made?* 🤢
Btw, John Ramsey has lost a wife and both daughters.
He lost 2 daughters. He had 3. Melinda, Beth, and JonBenet.
Why why why haven’t they used genealogy testing a long time ago????
Anything with the father in it I’m not gonna believe
If they were to catch the guy, he's probably pretty much lived his life. It's been almost 30 years, FFS!
I use to have JonBent’s picture on my wall. This story has stayed with me and had an effect on me. Couldn’t stop thinking about it. Poor family 😓
Ummmmmm this didn’t shed light on a dam thing !!!
Just a way to promote new series on NETFLIX