A city as dense as New York should focus on upgrading it's transit services and incentivizing people to use them. Southern California mostly developed in the Automotive era and cities were not planned with transit in mind, so they have to make do with the next best option-Electric cars. NYC developed well before cars were present, at a time when Railroads like the Pennsy, New Haven, and NY Central were the preferred mode for cross town and regional travel. The aim should be to switch the suburbanites and rural residents to EV's and inner city residents to a reliable mode of mass transit (Electric Trains, Buses, and transit vans). It's not a 1 size fits all. Transportation solutions need to be tailored to the environment they will be serving. For perspective, a single electric bus has the same horsepower and battery capacity as 2 electric cars, but if service is scheduled and maintained properly, it can haul 5 times the number of people. It also needs 1 DC fast charging stall that can be used during off peak hours, thereby drastically reducing the per capita electrical infrastructure needs for transportation.
@Karin Shedd : I agree that personal cars as EV’s are still needed for more suburban neighborhoods the outer edges of the city (I grew up in one such neighborhood called Floral Park). However, a more comprehensive transit network includes more than just the subway. Buses and vans are what we need to link up neighborhoods in the inner city with main subway routes. A good bus network is critical to helping reduce emissions and congestion where rail service is not possible. Toronto has done it. I think NYC can make buses work as well.
I commuted to NYC from Fairfield County, CT for six years. Railroads in NYC serviced the surrounding suburban commutes into the city, not across town. Subways handled cross town traffic. However, it took me 1-1/2 hours via a combination of car, rail and subway to go from my home in Fairfield County to my office in Long Island City which is just east of mid town NYC. I eventually changed to driving 45 miles one way down I-95 because I could do it faster and at less expense back then despite the additional bridge tolls and parking meter costs. But I had to leave the office later in order to avoid traffic jams. So my employer loved the fact that I worked long hours to avoid traffic.
@Adithya Ramachandran That was a well thought out and excellent comment!!! This is what many people miss, USA is too car focused. On the other hand, if you have taken Public Transit in New York, you will see why many want to drive!!!! Your position is the most educated and should be our focus.
True, but at the same time we need to provide suburbanites with transit high quality enough to entice them out of their cars to travel into the city. Make cars an option rather than a requirement.
The only reason I bought an electric car is that I have a garage, and could install a Level 2 charger at home (30-40 miles of range added per hour plugged in). If I didn't have a garage, forget about it.
Same! My husband and I don’t have plans to drive more than an hour and a half away for a long while since we have a baby as well. We only need to charge at home for the foreseeable future. Hopefully there will be a lot more fast chargers within the next ten years. And even if not, we can plan for charging at a level three charging station for the rare car trip.
@@Sinaeb 5 miles is nothing: meaning your commute is so short, less than 2 miles. Might as well bike or get a golf cart. Or drive a prius (golf cart with A/C 🤣 )
As an EV owner, I think people overstate the need for level 2 charging. I plug mine into A regular wall socket when I get home from work. Assuming I don’t drive again till it’s time to go back to work, I generally pick up about 45 miles of range. That’s more than enough for my daily driving. So almost every day I am at a surplus. These public chargers that we are trying to make available for residence of apartments, don’t need to be high-voltage options. Other than road trips, almost everyone can get by with a regular old 110 outlet. I’m not saying there is no need for the faster chargers, but I just I don’t believe that they are needed as widely as many others seem to think.
The problem is a lot of people live in apartments & if they all need to charge their cars while they're all also running electricity inside their apartments, apartment complexes would not be able to supply that much electricity without short circuiting. Even just for 110 plugs the apartments would need extra electrical infrastructure to accomplish this. Plus switching to electric vehicles right now just goes from burning gas to burning coal, that isn't helping anything. & if you want to put in wind or solar to charge cars, that's infrastructure, plus you need battery capacity we don't have, that's infrastructure...Not to mention EVs do not eliminate road congestion which is another huge problem. The real issue is we need to come up with completely different transportation where people can do everything they need like dropping kids off at school & getting groceries or hauling cargo in a way that eliminates cars from the equation. It's a much bigger problem than why don't people just slow charge evs.
@@10-OSwords there’s a lot to unpack there. Suffice it to say, I completely agree that we need a MUCH more robust public transportation system. As far as electricity generated by coal being as dirty as an ICE car, that is not necessarily true. Electricity generated by coal for an EV has the environmental impact of an ICE car getting about 50 mpg. That is much cleaner than most cars today.
@@10-OSwords wow. So much wrong in one comment. You really need to question your sources more. No, people would not have to charge while doing other stuff. The average American dives 40 miles a day. The average BEV gets 3 miles per kWh. That is 13 kWh that need to be replaced daily. A 2 kW level 1 charger would replace that overnight, when most are sleeping, in 7 hours. So no additional electricity upgrades necessary. Coal is less than 20% of the US grid and 45% of US electricity is carbon free. The amount of electricity needed to refine enough gasoline to take a car 100 miles will also power a BEV for 100 miles so no additional energy sources needed to run BEVs. You can’t blame road congestion on BEVs.
Some digging around on some maybe not so authoritative websites indicate that a High-Pressure Sodium (HPS) street lamp consumes 3.4kW while replacement LED lamps consume 1.2kW. This implies that by relamping a street to LED that was wired for HPS each light pole could support a level 1 overnight charger with no additional upgrade to the original power capacity of the wiring. I would think it is quite likely that either overdesign of the original circuit or load diversity would permit each post to support qty 2 level-1's per light pole. It seems this would be a good start. I will totally ignore the issue of parking rules required to make access to the EVCA (Electric Vehicle Charge Access Equipment) available to EV's only at least after business hours at this time.
I've had my EV for 3 months and done 100% of charging at home on a level 1 charger. So comparing gas pumps or stations to charging stations is apples and oranges. We'll need dc fast charging for road trips and ways for people without garages to charge at work or at their apartments/condos. A lot of those can be private. I recently saw a new apartment complex that had a huge banner outside that they have EV chargers.
That $7.5 billion spent on chargers would have been a lot more helpful going to walking/biking/transit. It's a shame that we continually give massive handouts to the auto industry. If they want chargers, they should pay for them.
Oh and EVs are H-E-A-V-Y. Expect the roads to become a blown out, shelled out mess. We could have a very nice train system, nationally and in at least the top 10 major cities in the US. And we'd still have that stuff, but we blow all of the money subsidizing cars. It really is a horrible waste.
It's also important to remember just how easy it is to install an electric car charger compared to gas stations. If the demand is there, it's relatively easy to place car chargers in any parking lot you could think of, not just where you live. Everything from grocery stores to workplaces to hotels could be willing to install chargers if it's profitable. This will just continue the decentralization of the energy industry.
I hope when it comes to urban design the opt for smaller more frequent stations. They're finally building the first urban-form gas station where i live. Cleveland. Its a much smarter design but took way too long to finally implement especially because back in the day they were awfully quick to tear out one of the best trail transit systems leaving scraps Build smart and maybe we can stop fucking our cities up
@@mrmaniac3 except we're not focusing in them: if the market and the technical expertise is available, electric car chargers will be built by individuals and companies by themselves
I have had a Tesla model 3 parked outside connected to a existing exterior 110v outlet with a Amazon basic extension cord running through the yard for the last 3 years. Total infrastructure cost $75. The only time I use a public charger is for trips 3 or 4 times a year.
That $75 sounds a bit high. :) In all seriousness any home owners can also install a low amperage 220v outlet for $50 which will be slightly more efficient in charging, saving money in the long run.
I want to buy an EV but I live in an apartment building and management is WAY too cheap to install charging facilities. This is the only thing stopping me.
@Karin Shedd So what? If it's good enough already, there's no reason to wait for something better. I know someone who only ditched their iPhone 3GS last year. Of course the newer ones are better, so they got a brand new one, and it'll likely last them another 10 years. Tech advances, but your needs don't, until you want to convince yourself that you need the new one.
@Karin Shedd It's a healthy approach. Consumption is the main problem. Buying a 30k EV which will mostly stand in the garage would be counterproductive. In that use case, keep your combustion car until it falls apart, or your needs change. Biking, working remotely, public transit - that's the most ecological and economical choice one can make.
I first drove a Nissan LEAF in the summer of 2011. I live in the suburban Philadelphia area, and this was well before LEAFs were available here. Hertz bought one in Tennessee and brought it to NYC to use in their car sharing program. My first trip was to drive it from its parking location, at the Seward Park Coop in lower Manhattan to the Armstrong Tower in Alpine NJ and back. A few weeks later, I drove it to my house in Bucks County. This was possible because I could recharge at the parking garage in the Hamilton NJ train station, the only public EV charging spot at the time along my route. I bought a 24 kWh LEAF which was delivered in February 2012, and I just replaced it with a 2022 LEAF 62 kWh. So I have been driving electric almost since the beginning of the mass produced electric car. I love it!
You've got to seriously increase your energy production, I recommend nuclear power stations, and more charging stations. Moreover we need to find more sustainable, better and hopefully more ethical materials for battery manufacturing.
Bicycles, and electric bikes, and public transit would be a vastly superior mode of transportation to build up. Cars are just a complete waste of resources.
Yeah I don’t know why someone who lives in Manhattan would want to own a car in the first place. It’s a horrible place to drive and parking is so limited/expensive. Basically the only reason for electric charging stations in Manhattan is for all the upper-class residents who live there who are trying to be “environmentally conscious” yet have cars when the most “green” thing would be for them to take the subway like everyone else.
My view is that incentivising level 2 charging in urban areas is much more compelling than incentivising DC fast charging. At least one company, Tesla, has demonstrated industry's ability to address rapid charging for supporting intercity travel. With DC fast charging providing more reliable foot traffic into convenience stores due to A) longer dwell time, B) no need to stay at the pump while dispensing gas and C) the vehicle is much more likely travelling rather than local , thus, needing a break, I imagine it only takes one or two more doubling of EV sales before at least one fast charger per store start making economic sense. On a 10k mile trip with my EV a few winters ago, while the Supercharger stalls were full only once, nearly all individuals charging spent a major portion of the charging time outside the vehicle and likely in a store. In Europe, where EV adoption has been far accelerated I believe several traditional petrol operations have ditched gasoline altogether and now provide rapid charging exclusively in order to draw traffic into their stores. Dispensing electrical energy for transportation is a new revenue stream for electrical distribution company, tapping a stream that up till now flowed to the petroleum distribution industry. The relatively low cost of installing level 2 charging and the ability to influence behavior by charging variable rates vs. energy demand seems a no-brainer. Government incentivizing level 2 charging while industry addresses DC fast charging does more to broaden the appeal of EV's to those who spend disportionately more of their income on transportation while industry invests into and profits from those that can afford to travel farther and more often.
I mostly agree, but Level 2 chargers are probably too slow for shops. You're not spending hours upon hours in them. The perfect solution would be slow Level 3 DC chargers - something around 50 kW. These can charge a typical car in around 1.5 hours - that's perfect for shopping once a week.
@@wojciechmuras553 I agree that stores supporting travellers need DC chargers. My point is that they will install the fast chargers themselves. My concern is providing sufficient level 2 charging in high-density residential areas where private driveways are not available for the majority of residents. Level 2 at commercial establishments supporting primarily local traffic as a perk still makes sense as one is likely to recoup a majority of the trip's energy consumption during the relatively short stay at the establishment. Again, the establishment is likely to be self-motivated to invest in such a perk with a modest increase in EV ownership within the urban area. I travel approximately 50-60 miles roundtrip for medical appointments. I drive a large EV, so consume close to 20 kWh for the full trip. Sitting for an hour on a 12kW level 2 would provide more than 1/2 the energy I consumed, meaning the whole trip would have consumed only a bit over 15% of my nominal range if staying within 20-80% charge as I normally do, rather than well over 30% of my range. If I did not have access to nightly charging as I do, level 2 chargers at locations I frequent would allow me to seek an overnight charger or rapid charger less frequently. My wife and I survived quite nicely for several months using nightly level 1 charging for normal daily driving. After a heavy-driving day we often would not be fully charged by morning but, unless we had two heavy-driving days back-to-back we would always catch up the next day.
@@wojciechmuras553 while i don't have an EV (charging anxiety is a big factor), consider most stores won't be charging a car up from basically empty the way we normally use gas stations, and instead serve local traffic which has probably only driven under 30mi. Depending on the shop type a level 2 or even lv1 charger could completely recover the trip's energy consumption. (A restaurant or doctors appointment usually take an hour, shopping is varriable from fast in and out for 1 item to spending a couple hours wondering a mall) I suspect the only places the really need fast charging will be "gas stations" and highway reststops where people expect to spend a minimal amount of time before continuing a long journey.
Agreed. Most people don't know that if you start your day with a full battery, you're not gonna need to fast charge during the day. If you can charge while you sleep, you already eliminate 99% of the charging infrastructure problems. If anyone need to drive more than 200 miles a day, chances are you're looking for a charger in the interstate. Tesla had shown us that their own profit can be used to create the network, we don't need government subsidies for existing manufactures to get their act together. Instead companies like GM immediately turn to stock buy backs once they get a helping hand.
I don't think personal EVs/personal electric cars are the future, their more of a stop gap measure while public infrastructure like trains, electric street cars (the railed kind), and biking roads catches up to standard. Cars are cars, making them electric does not fix the huge problems with car centric infrastructure and city design.
Ev driver from LA. We rule! Already see problems with too many EV’s fighting for too few chargers. Trying to convince my landlord to install charger. I charge at work. America is going to have to offer incentives & force more chargers to be built. Then car buyers will switch. We still at $6/gallon over here!
Sorry. I’m not spending an extra two hours a day on public transit will be forced into a box with people that are homeless and on drugs and violent. Then At the end I still have to walk take a taxi. The future is self driving electric cars for everyone to go safely, cheaply and directly from one point to another in comfort. I actually see public transit declining in the future. It may take 10 to 20 years to get there but that’s a future And no amount of wishful thinking or social engineering’s gonna change that.
Unless you rebuild every American city to be like NYC that ain't happening. Have you been to Southern American cities? They are so big and car dependent that it would take trillions of dollars to rebuild them around public transit
Here's a better idea. Focus on shifting transportation away from cars towards mass transit and high speed rail. America lags woefully behind the rest of the world in public transportation, getting Americans out of their cars and onto buses, trains and metros is the best way to move into a fully electrified future.
For those who use the metric system looking at 1:25 to 1:50: 1:30-1:35 - 4.82km to 8.05km 1:36-1:41 - 19.31km to 128.75km 1:41-1:49 - 4.82km to 32.19km You can thank me for that.
Thanks for this video. You really hit the nail on the head! I live in an 1962-built apartment building and my apartment gets me one of the seven parking spots behind, and that’s where my car could easily charge at night. But my landlord would have to install something. Not only that, but I don’t think that my building could support seven chargers without redoing the electrical service, and my neighborhood has aging electrical distribution infrastructure, and sometimes we just have pole transformers that blow up in the middle of summer… More electrical demand will probably stress the distribution network and require that to be repaired. It’s refreshing to see a short documentary that emphasizes that this is the infrastructure we need to build and subsidize and incentivize.
My main problem is not everyone has a garage or a driveway to park up, so the gut wrenching realisation that some group of kids decided it was funny to unplug my car outside my house in the middle of the night to wake up and think "oh no how will i get to work on time now my car isnt charged enough" is far too real 😅
In the UK you can opt for variable electricity tarrifs which are considerably cheaper "off Peak" approx Midnight to 7am. The expectation (hope) is that people charging at home will do so Off Peak as its cheaper and that will help the grid cope (although our national grid - it's a small place we only have one - are confident they could cope if all cars were electric) I assume you have similar pricing in the US?
No, they aren't. There aren't enough chargers and there isn't enough grid capacity. Even the chargers that exist are frequently not working. I live in an apartment complex with no charging available anywhere in my city. The nearest is about 20 miles away. There's no way I could own an EV currently.
In communities which are designed for car independence, which should be basically every place in the US if we know what's good for us, this will invariably be the case. Transit oriented development, walkable cities towns and villages, etc.
How is anyone even suppose to afford a new EV??? We need denser, walkable, and mixed use communities and better public transit. Maybe even high speed rail!!
The grid IS in fact the primary issue and in fact already is causing problems in California to the point where residents were told NOT TO CHARGE their own cars. On top of that, imagine even 25% of Texans going electric - their power grid couldn’t handle WINTER let alone large-scale ownership of EVs.
Personal car ownership cannot be the future. Even electric vehicles are disasterous for the environment (though better than gas cars). We need investment in high speed rail and bike lanes and public transit within
I wonder. You you just replace parking meters with chargers?! If you’re charging your paying for parking, if not you pay normally. This would be adjusting an already expiating system rather then building a new one.
As someone who lived in sf during the rolling blackouts, as dotcoms were rising in the late 90s and early 00s - if we're not ready for the EV revolution, it's gonna get real hot and sticky when you can only use you power at off-peak times, not just charge your car
I’m pretty sure all at home chargers that are a dedicated box run at 220v, so you will need to treat it like getting a major appliance and that might require an electrician to install it, especially if your circuit breaker box doesn’t have space for it.
It would make sense for battery swapping vehicles to invest in places that are densely populated like NY since they would be able to get fully charged batteries within 5 minutes and not have to worry about where they can charge their cars. NIO jumps to mind.
Tesla tried and had a fully proved battery swap system but opted out of it because fast charging was really more than enough to get to that 80% point, which would take you farther than it would even be comfortable for most people to be sitting and driving time-wise also it would easier to just to install more chargers in all kinds of places than it would be to install battery swap stations, where you would still probably have a line of cars, where you could probably have 100 charging stations to every potential battery swap station
it would be interesting to see if companies like Conedison would supplement the installation of solar and batteries to new developments to assist the charging if cars in apartment buildings, to aid in reducing the strain on the grid. Or at least assist in funding the infrastructure in new developments so that owners can opt out now and opt in later if needed.
That likely would raise rates on everyone else. So non EV drivers would be funding EV drivers via higher rates. Con Ed does not serve just NYC, it also serves upstate NY, MA, CT, NJ, PA, and VA with Thermal, Wind, Solar, Natural Gas, Steam, Land Fill and Transmission.
Con Ed is the most expensive electric company and the worst! Cheddar why are you shopping for con Edison?? Let them pay for ads. They do not serve anybody except their shareholders and officers!
@@billh.1940 When I grew up as kid in Westchester Con Ed was very efficient. Consider now that much of its infrastructure needs replacement because Con Ed was founded in 1823 making it among the oldest in the US and just over 200 years old.
@@myreadingmapped Perhaps. Just as people who don't own a car pay to fund the Interstates because the federal gas tax hasn't been adjusted for inflation in almost thirty years and money from the general fund has to be used.
@@danielcarroll3358 However those that don't own a car rely on interstate highways to receive goods that are delivered to their homes or delivered to stores where they buy goods.
It’s important to highlight that EV’s are not a solution to climate change. It’s a stopgap to save vehicle manufacturers. What really needs to happen here in the US is a major overhaul of public infrastructure. Public transportation, high-speed rail infrastructure, and mixed-use residential zoning are key steps in lowering vehicle dependency. Everyone owning a personal car is not sustainable, and anyone who thinks otherwise is in denial. Investing in infrastructure such as high-speed rail is beneficial in reducing road congestion, lowering fuel prices for people in rural areas that actually depend on it, providing jobs, and lowering emissions. That’s my 2 cents. Please vote accordingly in your area.
I hate the idea of not having the option of a car. I'd use public transportation in Seattle if I could, but that's impossible with my job. So in my case it's a moot point.
Good luck. This country is slowly going down the shitter. We hardly have money for public education and paying essential workers what they deserve…You think we will EVER invest in logical infrastructure! Lol nope.
@@pepperonish no I didn’t say we are shit. I said the US is headed that way. I’d say in 30/40 years this very well might look like a decaying 1st world country. And politicians are screening the future today at an unprecedented rate. I expect 3rd world countries today will overtake us in the future of living standards… I’m in my way out when I have the resources and time I suggest you do the same if your smart.
@@shasmi93 where are you going to go? I'm sure if you go to any country these days where there is inflation that people are saying the exact same things about their own governments. America is not unique in these attitudes.
my dad had negative experience with electric loaders in strip mines, then the lead acid batteries in underground mines. i was super stoked about workhorse hybrid pickup b4 they killed it. i still hope to buy a hybrid to change his mind.
One Level 2 charger in an apartment building can handle at least 10 cars - closer to 15 when scaled up to multiple chargers. So you don't need to talk about 50 chargers in a building. Fifteen would do for a really big building with 100% EVs.
Imagine America with a widely expanded, nationalized,and electrified train/lightrail network powered by nuclear energy, with transit centric city planning. Also exclusive bike paths. That's much more helpful to the environment than electric cars, IMO.
America is too large to have trains and bikes as a solution. Europe gets away with it due to their population density and tightly packed cities. America is more spread out.
@@Hawkolate anything that isn't suburb is communism, trust also if it's not gated it's also communism. also show me your papers because I haven't seen you before, while we are walking at a park.
I feel like a lot of Canadians are ready for this as colder areas often need outdoor outlets for engine block heaters during winters, which can be used for overnight level 1 charging.
Good video! 6:48 - Off Peak Charging - This is critical. Because, in most places, there's *a lot* of *excess* electrical capacity at night. Furthermore, most EV owners end up getting into a routine of charging overnight. Its just too convenient and cheap. For instance, there are plenty of residential electricity plans in Texas that offer *free* *unlimited* electricity at night! These plans were available well before EVs became popular too. This type of power plan is possible because there is so much excess capacity available at night. See below... The grid only works if it has enough power for its service region's most *peak use* -- this occurs in daytime and especially the evening supper time. Therefore, there must be enough capacity to handle these max load periods which also means this large capacity becomes idle and *unused* at night. This happens day in and day out. Even without unlimited nights, almost all regions have much reduced electrical rates at nighttime.
Apartment dweller: my apartment management was nice enough when I reached out to them to provide a normal wall outlet free of charge as 1 of 6 EV charging stalls they set up with the existing wiring they had (talking with the maintenance guy, they'd need to spend like $7000 for a new breaker panel to do more). It's completely fine, I have never needed to charge anywhere else outside a road trip going beyond 150 miles one-way from home. So far only 3 of the 6 stalls are used but, as I told my management when pitching it to them, it'll be a must have to get residents over the next decade and I'm sure they'll need to figure out way more than 6 stalls having outlets. I see many (generally newer) apartment buildings offering similar: 5, 10, 20 EV charging stalls. Anywhere you have assigned parking, there's no need for level 2 or 3 charging and think NYC is an exception not the rule to how functional charging at home can be even for apartment/condo dwellers in most US cities. It's just a matter of time and electric company incentives to help get the electricity capacity and other infrastructure in place to have normal wall outlets available in parking areas.
Funny fact: Range Anxiety is literally translated to German as "Reichweitenangst" and that's also the number one concern among German car owner's beside the fact Germany is a much smaller country.
Germany is also part of Schengen, so Germans frequently travel around the EU, which is pretty much as big as the continental US. And Germany has the Autobahn - a combustion vehicle can effortlessly traverse the whole country in a single day, blasting at 300 kph. An EV makes sense in the rest of the world, where you're not going faster than 130 kph anyway, but in Germany, with such speeds, you'd have to stop every couple of miles to recharge...
@@wojciechmuras553 Germans can travel through the EU, but most of them don't do it freqently. In 28 years I visited Denmark, Netherlands and Austria and thats it. And yes, you can drive 300 kph on the Autobahn, but seriously, who does that? Most people drive between 120 - 160 kph. Exspecially in the last month, normal people wouldn't afford the fuel you need to drive at 300 kph through Germany.
Electric cars don't need charging during the day. As long as I can plug in overnight, I'm never stranded. Fast chargers are OK for very long trips (30 min charging every 5 hours of driving.) But I never go more than 50 miles with my commuter car. And 90% of all cars are used very similarly. Keep the gas/hybrid for the long haulers for now. The main challenge is for renters, as you say -- that's the real need. Destination charging isn't that important by comparison. I'd expect 90% of all charging to be done at "home" (during night parking.)
I drove electric for 10 years and used public chargers a few dozen times. When I owned a Model 3 the only time I ever needed a public charger is when I'm on the freeway travelling inter-state. The cities need destination chargers for people to charge overnight. We don't really need fast chargers for all modern EV that has over 200miles of range. The whole "we need more chargers" outcry is mainly coming from GM wanting to stay competitive with Tesla without spending their own money so they can turn around and offer stock buy-backs with their profits.
@@ilajoie3 Texas is 50% renewable. It is the most green state in America. The failure of its grid is -precisely- due to the unreliable nature of solar and wind energy.
What a Futurist thinks: Self-Owned Vehicles vs. TAAS (Transportation As A Service) . . . The flaw in your argument is that you assume that everyone will OWN an electric car (the way people today own a personal cell phone) . . . I suggest that most cities in 10 years will have TAAS, with you calling a self-driving electric Uber to pick you up (the fleet company owns the vehicle, not you) - Moreover, you can expect these fleet vehicles to shrink to one person-sized vehicles. With people working from home and the increase in home delivery, we can expect to see more “delivery pods,” lessening the need for people to drive . . . In summary, most of the charging of the pod-like vehicles will happen at local depots (the way city buses convene at depots for fueling) . . . Ultimately, we won’t need to build a charging infrastructure in apartment buildings, etc., because the charging of these fleet-owned electric vehicles will happen at these depots. TAAS has lower costs for the end user than owning a vehicle, paying for fuel, insurance, etc.
A lot of our urgent rapid response ambulance vehicles are electric in the UK and they have no issues with range etc. But if you can charge 10-20 miles a min, that’s not an issue and the money saved on fuel can go back into the NHS.
That's why the 2nd best option would be charging at work/school. Installing chargers at all areas where most people usually spend most of their time (home, work, school, hotels) is what needs to be prioritized to give most people an easier way to charge on a daily basis.
Have you tried riding a bike? You can park them in many more places by virtue of being about the size of a person. You can even park one inside a small apartment. Of course, ideally, bike parking garages, parking inside your building, bike racks scattered around your community, and transit station bike parking should be provided so you don't have to put your bike inside your apartment.
@@ElectricGlider2016 too crazy of a task. Not everyone works at a normal place like the mall, hospital, etc. millions of Americans own their own business and work in small warehouses, a small vet office, etc. that means every building across the USA will need a quick charging station.
Yes more chargers are necessary, but it is happening already. I just drove a Bolt EV from Vancouver BC to Asheville, NC with existing infrastructure. I had no worries about charging and met many people travelling with EVs in different directions! This is just the beginning...
The LA ports are insisting deisel powered trucks are on their way out and want owners to move to zero emission vehicles by 2023. All while there are no electric trucks for sale. Three ones that are available are estimated to cost $400k, and the infrastructure to charge all the trucks needed to carry on operations seamlessly doesn't exist.
No. Electric trucks are available. A two second google search revealed the BYD 8TT for $300k that has $120k of incentives available to bring the price down to $180k. Just a bit more than a diesel. Also, BYD will help with chargers.
The big problem with this video, is the idea that charging would happen anywhere but at home the vast vast majority of the time with level 2 charging. So really, all thats needed, is mandating that rentals provide charging spots.
That makes sense. Many cities require(d) apartments to be built with 1, 1.5 or 2 parking spaces per apartment. Now several cities around me have dropped any parking requirements and require parking spaces to be rented separately from apartments. And no, you can't park on the street because it is only two hour parking. Half of the existing parking spaces were regularly empty and the cost of renting an apartment rose even for those who didn't own a car. Adding charging would first be required in new construction and only later as retrofits to existing buildings. If the charging was intelligently controlled it would be done at night at lower rates and when the rest of the building demand was low. The power company would have to know what was going on as in some places they rely on low electric use at night to cool down their pole pigs (pole mounted transformers). None of this would happen over night and humans are quite adaptable.
Parking garages I imagine are made to the maximum tolerance. No worries about adding more weight to a structure that has been built to the lowest tolerance to save money.
If the Infrastructure is not there then people can still buy Hybrids which don't require charging. In 2021 there were 800,000 Hybrids sold in the US - up by 76%
If your commute is less than about 40 miles each way, a level one charger (110V household outlet), even with an outdoor extension cord, is plenty sufficient even with a 100 mile range vehicle. Granted, you need a dedicated parking spot and access to an outlet, but the vast majority of Americans can live with a trickle charger. Yes, I know this from experience, in a midwest northern state. Trickle charge might be a problem for a month or two in ND, but hardly anyone lives there anyway, heh heh
"California easy" is because, unlike what those of others states say, California is not a failed state, and actually cares about their people. We have high environment standards for a reason. BOOM
I have an electric bike. 17 miles per charge, 3-4 hours to charge, and only adds about $10 per month on my electric bill. If I need to go out of town I'll just rent a car for the day.
I honestly in many ways like older cars, but ideally I would have like some old car from the '90s and some electric car because they are both cool in their own ways and have pros and cons. I like having a cassette player and having a car that doesn't spy on you. These electric cars collect data on their drivers, often disturbing amounts of it. I do like the safety measures on modern cars though like automatic braking and backup cameras as well as blindspot cameras. Those are very helpful. I wish the vehicles that I had been driving had blindspot cameras because it is annoying to have to look over your shoulder and it sometimes causes you to drift out of the lane.
No way. For infinite reasons. Besides Argonne National Laboratory has measured the lifecycle carbon cutting results of Ethanol and ended up with a result that E85 is 46% less carbon intensive than gasoline. Immediately. Not 5 years from now. Right now.
As long as I don't have the ability to charge as fast as put in gas (I can go in and out of gas station in less than 5 minutes with range of 400-460 miles or more with a car with better mpg) then EVs aren't for me and many people. I drive daily around 60-80 miles and I don't have 30 to 120 minutes to fill in my car (and no I don't have charger at home because I live in apt. building without their own dedicated parking spaces)
So long as batteries and other engine parts require excessive mining and pollution and African/Asian slavery to obtain - there is no morale or environmental difference than using a combustion engine vehicle. Especially since 80 to 90% of every amp used to charge them cones from coal and oil. Wind and solar energy is expensive, has a large carbon footprint, and we do not have reasonable battery storage solutions yet to maintain our grid. Germany and Texas are learning this as we speak quite literally. While many don't like big oils influence and power, big green energy is no different in its behavior via lobbying and pollution.
@Yummy Spaghetti Noodles I work in the world of electricity and batteries (VRLA and Li) and being in the field makes it so obvious that the green energy lobby is nothing more than a racket at this point in time.
What a crock of crap. I hope no one actually believes that nonsense. Do you protest mining coal and drilling for oil just as much? Because EV batteries only have to be mined once for the life of the car. Oil and coal requires continuous extraction. And while 60% of global electricity comes from fossil sources, in countries where EVs are actually available, the electricity is cleaner. Even here in backward USA, 45% of our electricity is fossil free. Batteries are not needed to maintain a continental scale grid. Wind and solar are the cheapest source of electricity right now. Saying otherwise is an easy to disprove lie. In both Texas and Germany, what they are learning is the cost of fossil fuel dependency. Wind and solar are more reliable. Why do you have to lie so much? What are you afraid of?
@@zoanth4 I don't want to pay for yours, but the car dependent lifestyle has been subsidized for decades. Quit whining about the logistical needs of a civilization.
I feel chargers should have a schedule setting. Every single time I heard/read about avoiding peak hours, it's stated as something to be avoided. Are drivers expected to come home from work, not plug in their car, then remember to plug it in before bed? It will be a long time before I own an EV, so I have no idea if chargers have timers on them. But I cannot see why a charger cannot have a program that allows for slow (low energy consumption) charging during peak hours, and fast charging during non-peak hours. Better yet, the chargers are likely IoT devices already, so all they would need is a signal from the local utility to smartly "know" when the slow charge and when to fast charge.
No one is pushing me to by an EV but myself! I have placed an oprder for a 2023 Chevy Bolt EUV. While the milage is not as high as it could be, I am super excited at all the possibilities of owning an EV.
2:30 - “outside of California, owning an EV is unrealistic”: That’s a bit of an exaggeration. Driving _only an EV_ while living in a typical apartment is probably a bit unrealistic. Americans average about 20-25 miles per day after you factor out road trips. You can easily charge that from an ordinary 120V outlet overnight.
On the subject on if we have enough power, do you know why people complain that battery life tanks when using things like AC while that's not a major problem with ICE's? That's because burning gas/diesel is extremely inefficient and if we literally just used a generator to power multiple EV's with the same amount of gas/diesel we would make more power with less fuel, and gas/diesel aren't even the most efficient forms of oil to use for electricity. So yes, we can generate enough power for them.
About 1/3 of Americans live in single-family houses or otherwise have routine access to outlets from which they can routinely charge overnight. Almost all of those people can easily charge their daily driving needs overnight from just a typical 120V outlet. Few such people really need a dedicated EV charger at home.
Stop treating charge stations as petrol stations! Charging stations should be where people spend time during trip - restaurants, tourist spots, shopping malls. Slow chargers are at home, on street - every lamp post can become charge spot. Fast chargers are needed at remote spots, and should be used as least as possible. High power demnd is strain on network, not lot of slow and predictable charging vehicles.
They should provide incentives for reverse charging (ev acting as a battery supplying power BACK to the grid) for times of peak load. Could significantly reduce electricity generator requirements
The highway exists for the military not you, thats why. But we should focus on less highways and more trains, especially within cities as urban highways are detrimental to the city.
@@KRYMauL and rail transport of military assets/personnel is significantly more efficient, less self destructive to the infrastructure and the vehicles, and the movement of such can be carried out faster on rails than on roads. Imagine racking up hundreds of miles moving a convoy across the country when you could be putting that convoy straight onto a train for 90% of the trip.
I don't understand why everyone is raving about electric cars. Give us dense neighbourhoods with shops and weekly essentials within walking distance, green space, cycling infra and public transport. We shouldn't rely on cars, electric or not.
@@williammeek4078 it is the world we live in. The physical constraints of a three dimensional reality require efficiency. Running away from that fact in denial gets us nowhere but one gigantic parking lot.
I have been getting seriously into the EV corner of debates... After seeing what's out there, Aptera solar has my heart. Up to 1000 miles on a single full charge and it tops its own range by itself via solar panels. Plus the chargers take a standard 110V for overnight charging.
The UK/Canada etc, will have bans on new gas vehicles in the not so far future, with those continuing to use/purchase old gas cars having an extra annual fee to pay due to emissions.
Simple answer is no. Our infrastructure is over a half century old with little to no updates (and that's just the power grid). Also the way things are now, we have WAY bigger problems to worry about.
U.S. businesses need to stop treating fast (level 3) ESVE charging stations like an unwanted red-headed stepchild. It should not have to be a treasure hunt to locate a charging station in some remote or far away, hidden area of a parking lot or garage. Also, why has the price of installing a level 2 charger at one's home -- in my case, the state of Maryland -- more than doubled in the last year?
keep in mind these cars need a lot of copper, that's bad when you know how to find copper very quick and make a shit ton of money. these car's aren't a good idea like the wind turbines
A city as dense as New York should focus on upgrading it's transit services and incentivizing people to use them.
Southern California mostly developed in the Automotive era and cities were not planned with transit in mind, so they have to make do with the next best option-Electric cars. NYC developed well before cars were present, at a time when Railroads like the Pennsy, New Haven, and NY Central were the preferred mode for cross town and regional travel.
The aim should be to switch the suburbanites and rural residents to EV's and inner city residents to a reliable mode of mass transit (Electric Trains, Buses, and transit vans). It's not a 1 size fits all. Transportation solutions need to be tailored to the environment they will be serving.
For perspective, a single electric bus has the same horsepower and battery capacity as 2 electric cars, but if service is scheduled and maintained properly, it can haul 5 times the number of people. It also needs 1 DC fast charging stall that can be used during off peak hours, thereby drastically reducing the per capita electrical infrastructure needs for transportation.
@Karin Shedd : I agree that personal cars as EV’s are still needed for more suburban neighborhoods the outer edges of the city (I grew up in one such neighborhood called Floral Park). However, a more comprehensive transit network includes more than just the subway. Buses and vans are what we need to link up neighborhoods in the inner city with main subway routes. A good bus network is critical to helping reduce emissions and congestion where rail service is not possible. Toronto has done it. I think NYC can make buses work as well.
Not 5 times. 10-15 times.
I commuted to NYC from Fairfield County, CT for six years. Railroads in NYC serviced the surrounding suburban commutes into the city, not across town. Subways handled cross town traffic. However, it took me 1-1/2 hours via a combination of car, rail and subway to go from my home in Fairfield County to my office in Long Island City which is just east of mid town NYC. I eventually changed to driving 45 miles one way down I-95 because I could do it faster and at less expense back then despite the additional bridge tolls and parking meter costs. But I had to leave the office later in order to avoid traffic jams. So my employer loved the fact that I worked long hours to avoid traffic.
@Adithya Ramachandran That was a well thought out and excellent comment!!! This is what many people miss, USA is too car focused. On the other hand, if you have taken Public Transit in New York, you will see why many want to drive!!!!
Your position is the most educated and should be our focus.
True, but at the same time we need to provide suburbanites with transit high quality enough to entice them out of their cars to travel into the city. Make cars an option rather than a requirement.
The only reason I bought an electric car is that I have a garage, and could install a Level 2 charger at home (30-40 miles of range added per hour plugged in). If I didn't have a garage, forget about it.
Same! My husband and I don’t have plans to drive more than an hour and a half away for a long while since we have a baby as well. We only need to charge at home for the foreseeable future. Hopefully there will be a lot more fast chargers within the next ten years. And even if not, we can plan for charging at a level three charging station for the rare car trip.
most people do n't need more than 5 miles of charge everyday.
@@Sinaeb 5 miles is nothing: meaning your commute is so short, less than 2 miles.
Might as well bike or get a golf cart. Or drive a prius (golf cart with A/C 🤣 )
If you have an off-street parking spot and can install a 240v supply, your next car should be electric.
I don't have a garage, I keep my model 3 outside and have a level two outside.
As an EV owner, I think people overstate the need for level 2 charging. I plug mine into A regular wall socket when I get home from work. Assuming I don’t drive again till it’s time to go back to work, I generally pick up about 45 miles of range. That’s more than enough for my daily driving. So almost every day I am at a surplus. These public chargers that we are trying to make available for residence of apartments, don’t need to be high-voltage options. Other than road trips, almost everyone can get by with a regular old 110 outlet. I’m not saying there is no need for the faster chargers, but I just I don’t believe that they are needed as widely as many others seem to think.
The problem is a lot of people live in apartments & if they all need to charge their cars while they're all also running electricity inside their apartments, apartment complexes would not be able to supply that much electricity without short circuiting. Even just for 110 plugs the apartments would need extra electrical infrastructure to accomplish this. Plus switching to electric vehicles right now just goes from burning gas to burning coal, that isn't helping anything. & if you want to put in wind or solar to charge cars, that's infrastructure, plus you need battery capacity we don't have, that's infrastructure...Not to mention EVs do not eliminate road congestion which is another huge problem. The real issue is we need to come up with completely different transportation where people can do everything they need like dropping kids off at school & getting groceries or hauling cargo in a way that eliminates cars from the equation. It's a much bigger problem than why don't people just slow charge evs.
@@10-OSwords there’s a lot to unpack there. Suffice it to say, I completely agree that we need a MUCH more robust public transportation system. As far as electricity generated by coal being as dirty as an ICE car, that is not necessarily true. Electricity generated by coal for an EV has the environmental impact of an ICE car getting about 50 mpg. That is much cleaner than most cars today.
I wouldn’t rely on a 110V plug but a dedicated hard wired 110V circuit would definitely be sufficient for the overwhelming majority of people.
@@Bum_Hip not to mention that the US grid as a whole is less than 20% coal and in fact 45% carbon free.
@@10-OSwords wow. So much wrong in one comment. You really need to question your sources more.
No, people would not have to charge while doing other stuff. The average American dives 40 miles a day. The average BEV gets 3 miles per kWh. That is 13 kWh that need to be replaced daily. A 2 kW level 1 charger would replace that overnight, when most are sleeping, in 7 hours. So no additional electricity upgrades necessary.
Coal is less than 20% of the US grid and 45% of US electricity is carbon free.
The amount of electricity needed to refine enough gasoline to take a car 100 miles will also power a BEV for 100 miles so no additional energy sources needed to run BEVs.
You can’t blame road congestion on BEVs.
Some digging around on some maybe not so authoritative websites indicate that a High-Pressure Sodium (HPS) street lamp consumes 3.4kW while replacement LED lamps consume 1.2kW. This implies that by relamping a street to LED that was wired for HPS each light pole could support a level 1 overnight charger with no additional upgrade to the original power capacity of the wiring. I would think it is quite likely that either overdesign of the original circuit or load diversity would permit each post to support qty 2 level-1's per light pole. It seems this would be a good start.
I will totally ignore the issue of parking rules required to make access to the EVCA (Electric Vehicle Charge Access Equipment) available to EV's only at least after business hours at this time.
Why did you compare the number of chargers in the US with the number of gas stations? Wouldn't a more accurate metric would be gas station pumps?
because it is not as scary when you make a point with facts.
Do they consider and count each individual cable plugin?
I've had my EV for 3 months and done 100% of charging at home on a level 1 charger. So comparing gas pumps or stations to charging stations is apples and oranges. We'll need dc fast charging for road trips and ways for people without garages to charge at work or at their apartments/condos. A lot of those can be private. I recently saw a new apartment complex that had a huge banner outside that they have EV chargers.
That $7.5 billion spent on chargers would have been a lot more helpful going to walking/biking/transit. It's a shame that we continually give massive handouts to the auto industry. If they want chargers, they should pay for them.
Oh and EVs are H-E-A-V-Y. Expect the roads to become a blown out, shelled out mess. We could have a very nice train system, nationally and in at least the top 10 major cities in the US. And we'd still have that stuff, but we blow all of the money subsidizing cars. It really is a horrible waste.
It's also important to remember just how easy it is to install an electric car charger compared to gas stations. If the demand is there, it's relatively easy to place car chargers in any parking lot you could think of, not just where you live. Everything from grocery stores to workplaces to hotels could be willing to install chargers if it's profitable. This will just continue the decentralization of the energy industry.
I hope when it comes to urban design the opt for smaller more frequent stations.
They're finally building the first urban-form gas station where i live. Cleveland. Its a much smarter design but took way too long to finally implement especially because back in the day they were awfully quick to tear out one of the best trail transit systems leaving scraps
Build smart and maybe we can stop fucking our cities up
All they’d need is one of those cheap solar panels.
It's far easier to install bike racks, cycle paths, and protected intersections than it is to focus your resources on any kind of car.
@@mrmaniac3 That can be done with more paint and ticketing cars who park in the -shoulder- bike lane.
@@mrmaniac3 except we're not focusing in them: if the market and the technical expertise is available, electric car chargers will be built by individuals and companies by themselves
I have had a Tesla model 3 parked outside connected to a existing exterior 110v outlet with a Amazon basic extension cord running through the yard for the last 3 years. Total infrastructure cost $75. The only time I use a public charger is for trips 3 or 4 times a year.
That $75 sounds a bit high. :) In all seriousness any home owners can also install a low amperage 220v outlet for $50 which will be slightly more efficient in charging, saving money in the long run.
I want to buy an EV but I live in an apartment building and management is WAY too cheap to install charging facilities. This is the only thing stopping me.
@Karin Shedd So what? If it's good enough already, there's no reason to wait for something better. I know someone who only ditched their iPhone 3GS last year. Of course the newer ones are better, so they got a brand new one, and it'll likely last them another 10 years. Tech advances, but your needs don't, until you want to convince yourself that you need the new one.
I am getting an EV and plan to charge weekly while getting groceries.
Do you use a bicycle, and/or public transit? That's the best practices going into the future.
@Karin Shedd It's a healthy approach. Consumption is the main problem. Buying a 30k EV which will mostly stand in the garage would be counterproductive. In that use case, keep your combustion car until it falls apart, or your needs change.
Biking, working remotely, public transit - that's the most ecological and economical choice one can make.
Look into DCC-9 (electric vehicle energy management system)
I first drove a Nissan LEAF in the summer of 2011. I live in the suburban Philadelphia area, and this was well before LEAFs were available here. Hertz bought one in Tennessee and brought it to NYC to use in their car sharing program. My first trip was to drive it from its parking location, at the Seward Park Coop in lower Manhattan to the Armstrong Tower in Alpine NJ and back. A few weeks later, I drove it to my house in Bucks County. This was possible because I could recharge at the parking garage in the Hamilton NJ train station, the only public EV charging spot at the time along my route. I bought a 24 kWh LEAF which was delivered in February 2012, and I just replaced it with a 2022 LEAF 62 kWh. So I have been driving electric almost since the beginning of the mass produced electric car. I love it!
You've got to seriously increase your energy production, I recommend nuclear power stations, and more charging stations. Moreover we need to find more sustainable, better and hopefully more ethical materials for battery manufacturing.
Unfortunately, nuclear isn’t sustainable nor ethical
There are few problems with lithium iron phosphate batteries.
@@williammeek4078 Few but not none, the primary of those few is that lithium is largely mined in Ukraine and Putin rather wants it.
@@williammeek4078 except how they can randomly spontaneously combust, especially in an accident.
Bicycles, and electric bikes, and public transit would be a vastly superior mode of transportation to build up. Cars are just a complete waste of resources.
Was just in Montreal and they had chargers at regular street parking spots. It was very impressive
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EVs won't solve congestion either
We need less cars and more public transit. Electric cars won't save us.
Yeah I don’t know why someone who lives in Manhattan would want to own a car in the first place. It’s a horrible place to drive and parking is so limited/expensive. Basically the only reason for electric charging stations in Manhattan is for all the upper-class residents who live there who are trying to be “environmentally conscious” yet have cars when the most “green” thing would be for them to take the subway like everyone else.
EVs alone won't help but self driving smart cars definitely will.
Pedestrian, cycling, and public transit infrastructure will.
My view is that incentivising level 2 charging in urban areas is much more compelling than incentivising DC fast charging. At least one company, Tesla, has demonstrated industry's ability to address rapid charging for supporting intercity travel.
With DC fast charging providing more reliable foot traffic into convenience stores due to A) longer dwell time, B) no need to stay at the pump while dispensing gas and C) the vehicle is much more likely travelling rather than local , thus, needing a break, I imagine it only takes one or two more doubling of EV sales before at least one fast charger per store start making economic sense. On a 10k mile trip with my EV a few winters ago, while the Supercharger stalls were full only once, nearly all individuals charging spent a major portion of the charging time outside the vehicle and likely in a store.
In Europe, where EV adoption has been far accelerated I believe several traditional petrol operations have ditched gasoline altogether and now provide rapid charging exclusively in order to draw traffic into their stores.
Dispensing electrical energy for transportation is a new revenue stream for electrical distribution company, tapping a stream that up till now flowed to the petroleum distribution industry. The relatively low cost of installing level 2 charging and the ability to influence behavior by charging variable rates vs. energy demand seems a no-brainer.
Government incentivizing level 2 charging while industry addresses DC fast charging does more to broaden the appeal of EV's to those who spend disportionately more of their income on transportation while industry invests into and profits from those that can afford to travel farther and more often.
I mostly agree, but Level 2 chargers are probably too slow for shops. You're not spending hours upon hours in them. The perfect solution would be slow Level 3 DC chargers - something around 50 kW. These can charge a typical car in around 1.5 hours - that's perfect for shopping once a week.
@@wojciechmuras553 I agree that stores supporting travellers need DC chargers. My point is that they will install the fast chargers themselves. My concern is providing sufficient level 2 charging in high-density residential areas where private driveways are not available for the majority of residents.
Level 2 at commercial establishments supporting primarily local traffic as a perk still makes sense as one is likely to recoup a majority of the trip's energy consumption during the relatively short stay at the establishment. Again, the establishment is likely to be self-motivated to invest in such a perk with a modest increase in EV ownership within the urban area.
I travel approximately 50-60 miles roundtrip for medical appointments. I drive a large EV, so consume close to 20 kWh for the full trip. Sitting for an hour on a 12kW level 2 would provide more than 1/2 the energy I consumed, meaning the whole trip would have consumed only a bit over 15% of my nominal range if staying within 20-80% charge as I normally do, rather than well over 30% of my range. If I did not have access to nightly charging as I do, level 2 chargers at locations I frequent would allow me to seek an overnight charger or rapid charger less frequently.
My wife and I survived quite nicely for several months using nightly level 1 charging for normal daily driving. After a heavy-driving day we often would not be fully charged by morning but, unless we had two heavy-driving days back-to-back we would always catch up the next day.
@@wojciechmuras553 while i don't have an EV (charging anxiety is a big factor), consider most stores won't be charging a car up from basically empty the way we normally use gas stations, and instead serve local traffic which has probably only driven under 30mi. Depending on the shop type a level 2 or even lv1 charger could completely recover the trip's energy consumption. (A restaurant or doctors appointment usually take an hour, shopping is varriable from fast in and out for 1 item to spending a couple hours wondering a mall)
I suspect the only places the really need fast charging will be "gas stations" and highway reststops where people expect to spend a minimal amount of time before continuing a long journey.
The only gas station that would really work at here in the US is Bucees which are more like mini Walmarts than gas stations
Agreed. Most people don't know that if you start your day with a full battery, you're not gonna need to fast charge during the day. If you can charge while you sleep, you already eliminate 99% of the charging infrastructure problems.
If anyone need to drive more than 200 miles a day, chances are you're looking for a charger in the interstate. Tesla had shown us that their own profit can be used to create the network, we don't need government subsidies for existing manufactures to get their act together. Instead companies like GM immediately turn to stock buy backs once they get a helping hand.
I don't think personal EVs/personal electric cars are the future, their more of a stop gap measure while public infrastructure like trains, electric street cars (the railed kind), and biking roads catches up to standard. Cars are cars, making them electric does not fix the huge problems with car centric infrastructure and city design.
Ev driver from LA. We rule! Already see problems with too many EV’s fighting for too few chargers. Trying to convince my landlord to install charger. I charge at work. America is going to have to offer incentives & force more chargers to be built. Then car buyers will switch. We still at $6/gallon over here!
@@Akirahadassah And use public transportation. Car centric living is still the worst. Cities should be human scale not car scale.
Sorry. I’m not spending an extra two hours a day on public transit will be forced into a box with people that are homeless and on drugs and violent. Then At the end I still have to walk take a taxi. The future is self driving electric cars for everyone to go safely, cheaply and directly from one point to another in comfort. I actually see public transit declining in the future. It may take 10 to 20 years to get there but that’s a future And no amount of wishful thinking or social engineering’s gonna change that.
Unless you rebuild every American city to be like NYC that ain't happening. Have you been to Southern American cities? They are so big and car dependent that it would take trillions of dollars to rebuild them around public transit
@@MJ-zo5gb have you ever left America
Here's a better idea. Focus on shifting transportation away from cars towards mass transit and high speed rail. America lags woefully behind the rest of the world in public transportation, getting Americans out of their cars and onto buses, trains and metros is the best way to move into a fully electrified future.
Even if you hate EVs, when you remodel or build a house you should prewire while it is cheap. It will improve resell value.
For those who use the metric system looking at 1:25 to 1:50:
1:30-1:35 - 4.82km to 8.05km
1:36-1:41 - 19.31km to 128.75km
1:41-1:49 - 4.82km to 32.19km
You can thank me for that.
We, from the Civilized world thank you
I've been getting more into metric recently
ICE traffic jams to be replaced by electric traffic jams
At least there'll be less smoke...
cArS are the F uTU r E
all the better, EVs use 0 energy when not moving, where as a vehicle is still using/wasting fuel idling stationary
The popular demand for EV's will shut down a big percentage of gas stations. It's good for the planet to have lesser pollution every year.
Thanks for this video. You really hit the nail on the head! I live in an 1962-built apartment building and my apartment gets me one of the seven parking spots behind, and that’s where my car could easily charge at night. But my landlord would have to install something. Not only that, but I don’t think that my building could support seven chargers without redoing the electrical service, and my neighborhood has aging electrical distribution infrastructure, and sometimes we just have pole transformers that blow up in the middle of summer… More electrical demand will probably stress the distribution network and require that to be repaired. It’s refreshing to see a short documentary that emphasizes that this is the infrastructure we need to build and subsidize and incentivize.
My main problem is not everyone has a garage or a driveway to park up, so the gut wrenching realisation that some group of kids decided it was funny to unplug my car outside my house in the middle of the night to wake up and think "oh no how will i get to work on time now my car isnt charged enough" is far too real 😅
In the UK you can opt for variable electricity tarrifs which are considerably cheaper "off Peak" approx Midnight to 7am. The expectation (hope) is that people charging at home will do so Off Peak as its cheaper and that will help the grid cope (although our national grid - it's a small place we only have one - are confident they could cope if all cars were electric)
I assume you have similar pricing in the US?
No, they aren't. There aren't enough chargers and there isn't enough grid capacity. Even the chargers that exist are frequently not working. I live in an apartment complex with no charging available anywhere in my city. The nearest is about 20 miles away. There's no way I could own an EV currently.
you can charge a ebike much easier then a electric car. for place like new york that would be a better fit.
In communities which are designed for car independence, which should be basically every place in the US if we know what's good for us, this will invariably be the case. Transit oriented development, walkable cities towns and villages, etc.
How is anyone even suppose to afford a new EV??? We need denser, walkable, and mixed use communities and better public transit. Maybe even high speed rail!!
EV’s are becoming cheaper. The Chevrolet Bolt EV is $25,600 and is the cheapest EV currently. Tesla is going to release a $20,000 range car very soon.
The same way people are expected to afford a car.
@@rylans.5365 Cars over 10K are an absolute luxury purchase
I have an electric plug at home, I don't have AN OIL REFINERY AT HOME. Murica.
I have a human body at home. That's all the power I need to walk, ride a bike, and take public transit.
No. The answer is not more electric cars. It's less cars and more public transit.
The grid IS in fact the primary issue and in fact already is causing problems in California to the point where residents were told NOT TO CHARGE their own cars. On top of that, imagine even 25% of Texans going electric - their power grid couldn’t handle WINTER let alone large-scale ownership of EVs.
Electric cars are a band-aid. The future is public transportation generally, and trains, specifically.
Personal car ownership cannot be the future. Even electric vehicles are disasterous for the environment (though better than gas cars). We need investment in high speed rail and bike lanes and public transit within
A functioning society is one where everyone can ride a bike, walk, roll, and take the bus/train.
0:48 Jeez. That's a lot of cars. That's a lot of lanes.
I'm hungry to own an EV, so I won't have to go to a gas station. NO MORE CARBON EMISSION. THE SUBSTITUTE IS BATTERY CHARGE.
I wonder. You you just replace parking meters with chargers?! If you’re charging your paying for parking, if not you pay normally. This would be adjusting an already expiating system rather then building a new one.
As someone who lived in sf during the rolling blackouts, as dotcoms were rising in the late 90s and early 00s - if we're not ready for the EV revolution, it's gonna get real hot and sticky when you can only use you power at off-peak times, not just charge your car
Bi-Directional charging SUPPORTS the grid, and takes care of brown outs.
I’m pretty sure all at home chargers that are a dedicated box run at 220v, so you will need to treat it like getting a major appliance and that might require an electrician to install it, especially if your circuit breaker box doesn’t have space for it.
It would make sense for battery swapping vehicles to invest in places that are densely populated like NY since they would be able to get fully charged batteries within 5 minutes and not have to worry about where they can charge their cars.
NIO jumps to mind.
Tesla tried and had a fully proved battery swap system but opted out of it because fast charging was really more than enough to get to that 80% point, which would take you farther than it would even be comfortable for most people to be sitting and driving time-wise
also it would easier to just to install more chargers in all kinds of places than it would be to install battery swap stations, where you would still probably have a line of cars, where you could probably have 100 charging stations to every potential battery swap station
it would be interesting to see if companies like Conedison would supplement the installation of solar and batteries to new developments to assist the charging if cars in apartment buildings, to aid in reducing the strain on the grid.
Or at least assist in funding the infrastructure in new developments so that owners can opt out now and opt in later if needed.
That likely would raise rates on everyone else. So non EV drivers would be funding EV drivers via higher rates. Con Ed does not serve just NYC, it also serves upstate NY, MA, CT, NJ, PA, and VA with Thermal, Wind, Solar, Natural Gas, Steam, Land Fill and Transmission.
Con Ed is the most expensive electric company and the worst! Cheddar why are you shopping for con Edison?? Let them pay for ads.
They do not serve anybody except their shareholders and officers!
@@billh.1940 When I grew up as kid in Westchester Con Ed was very efficient. Consider now that much of its infrastructure needs replacement because Con Ed was founded in 1823 making it among the oldest in the US and just over 200 years old.
@@myreadingmapped Perhaps. Just as people who don't own a car pay to fund the Interstates because the federal gas tax hasn't been adjusted for inflation in almost thirty years and money from the general fund has to be used.
@@danielcarroll3358 However those that don't own a car rely on interstate highways to receive goods that are delivered to their homes or delivered to stores where they buy goods.
"Egg on my face" is a hilarious phrase 🤣
It’s important to highlight that EV’s are not a solution to climate change. It’s a stopgap to save vehicle manufacturers. What really needs to happen here in the US is a major overhaul of public infrastructure. Public transportation, high-speed rail infrastructure, and mixed-use residential zoning are key steps in lowering vehicle dependency. Everyone owning a personal car is not sustainable, and anyone who thinks otherwise is in denial.
Investing in infrastructure such as high-speed rail is beneficial in reducing road congestion, lowering fuel prices for people in rural areas that actually depend on it, providing jobs, and lowering emissions.
That’s my 2 cents. Please vote accordingly in your area.
I hate the idea of not having the option of a car. I'd use public transportation in Seattle if I could, but that's impossible with my job. So in my case it's a moot point.
Good luck. This country is slowly going down the shitter. We hardly have money for public education and paying essential workers what they deserve…You think we will EVER invest in logical infrastructure! Lol nope.
@@shasmi93 we aren't the best, but far from a shit hole. Go to Argentina and see how it is.
@@pepperonish no I didn’t say we are shit. I said the US is headed that way. I’d say in 30/40 years this very well might look like a decaying 1st world country. And politicians are screening the future today at an unprecedented rate. I expect 3rd world countries today will overtake us in the future of living standards… I’m in my way out when I have the resources and time I suggest you do the same if your smart.
@@shasmi93 where are you going to go? I'm sure if you go to any country these days where there is inflation that people are saying the exact same things about their own governments. America is not unique in these attitudes.
my dad had negative experience with electric loaders in strip mines, then the lead acid batteries in underground mines. i was super stoked about workhorse hybrid pickup b4 they killed it. i still hope to buy a hybrid to change his mind.
One Level 2 charger in an apartment building can handle at least 10 cars - closer to 15 when scaled up to multiple chargers. So you don't need to talk about 50 chargers in a building. Fifteen would do for a really big building with 100% EVs.
Imagine America with a widely expanded, nationalized,and electrified train/lightrail network powered by nuclear energy, with transit centric city planning. Also exclusive bike paths.
That's much more helpful to the environment than electric cars, IMO.
America is too large to have trains and bikes as a solution. Europe gets away with it due to their population density and tightly packed cities. America is more spread out.
but that's communism
@@Sinaeb It's such a pain to convince people that car's aren't the future.
@@Hawkolate anything that isn't suburb is communism, trust
also if it's not gated it's also communism.
also show me your papers because I haven't seen you before, while we are walking at a park.
@@Sinaeb central planning is on the socialism scale. Still a bad idea
I feel like a lot of Canadians are ready for this as colder areas often need outdoor outlets for engine block heaters during winters, which can be used for overnight level 1 charging.
Good video!
6:48 - Off Peak Charging - This is critical. Because, in most places, there's *a lot* of *excess* electrical capacity at night. Furthermore, most EV owners end up getting into a routine of charging overnight. Its just too convenient and cheap. For instance, there are plenty of residential electricity plans in Texas that offer *free* *unlimited* electricity at night! These plans were available well before EVs became popular too. This type of power plan is possible because there is so much excess capacity available at night. See below...
The grid only works if it has enough power for its service region's most *peak use* -- this occurs in daytime and especially the evening supper time. Therefore, there must be enough capacity to handle these max load periods which also means this large capacity becomes idle and *unused* at night. This happens day in and day out. Even without unlimited nights, almost all regions have much reduced electrical rates at nighttime.
Apartment dweller: my apartment management was nice enough when I reached out to them to provide a normal wall outlet free of charge as 1 of 6 EV charging stalls they set up with the existing wiring they had (talking with the maintenance guy, they'd need to spend like $7000 for a new breaker panel to do more). It's completely fine, I have never needed to charge anywhere else outside a road trip going beyond 150 miles one-way from home. So far only 3 of the 6 stalls are used but, as I told my management when pitching it to them, it'll be a must have to get residents over the next decade and I'm sure they'll need to figure out way more than 6 stalls having outlets.
I see many (generally newer) apartment buildings offering similar: 5, 10, 20 EV charging stalls. Anywhere you have assigned parking, there's no need for level 2 or 3 charging and think NYC is an exception not the rule to how functional charging at home can be even for apartment/condo dwellers in most US cities. It's just a matter of time and electric company incentives to help get the electricity capacity and other infrastructure in place to have normal wall outlets available in parking areas.
Funny fact: Range Anxiety is literally translated to German as "Reichweitenangst" and that's also the number one concern among German car owner's beside the fact Germany is a much smaller country.
Germany is also part of Schengen, so Germans frequently travel around the EU, which is pretty much as big as the continental US.
And Germany has the Autobahn - a combustion vehicle can effortlessly traverse the whole country in a single day, blasting at 300 kph. An EV makes sense in the rest of the world, where you're not going faster than 130 kph anyway, but in Germany, with such speeds, you'd have to stop every couple of miles to recharge...
@@wojciechmuras553 Germans can travel through the EU, but most of them don't do it freqently. In 28 years I visited Denmark, Netherlands and Austria and thats it.
And yes, you can drive 300 kph on the Autobahn, but seriously, who does that? Most people drive between 120 - 160 kph. Exspecially in the last month, normal people wouldn't afford the fuel you need to drive at 300 kph through Germany.
German is a smaller country ? 🤔 Nope but compared to US, yes
This video is just an add for Con Edison right?
One thing we need to consider is the commercial use of EVs too and how it will effect the electric grid.
EV semis are a long way off. The energy density of batteries is nowhere near where it needs to be to support interstate trucking
Electric cars don't need charging during the day. As long as I can plug in overnight, I'm never stranded.
Fast chargers are OK for very long trips (30 min charging every 5 hours of driving.)
But I never go more than 50 miles with my commuter car. And 90% of all cars are used very similarly. Keep the gas/hybrid for the long haulers for now.
The main challenge is for renters, as you say -- that's the real need. Destination charging isn't that important by comparison.
I'd expect 90% of all charging to be done at "home" (during night parking.)
I drove electric for 10 years and used public chargers a few dozen times. When I owned a Model 3 the only time I ever needed a public charger is when I'm on the freeway travelling inter-state. The cities need destination chargers for people to charge overnight. We don't really need fast chargers for all modern EV that has over 200miles of range.
The whole "we need more chargers" outcry is mainly coming from GM wanting to stay competitive with Tesla without spending their own money so they can turn around and offer stock buy-backs with their profits.
No, the grid is not ready.
I live in a state other than Texas so I'm not as worried
@@ilajoie3 Texas is 50% renewable. It is the most green state in America. The failure of its grid is -precisely- due to the unreliable nature of solar and wind energy.
No problem in Norway. 90% of All New car sales in Norway are EV's!
What a Futurist thinks: Self-Owned Vehicles vs. TAAS (Transportation As A Service) . . . The flaw in your argument is that you assume that everyone will OWN an electric car (the way people today own a personal cell phone) . . . I suggest that most cities in 10 years will have TAAS, with you calling a self-driving electric Uber to pick you up (the fleet company owns the vehicle, not you) - Moreover, you can expect these fleet vehicles to shrink to one person-sized vehicles. With people working from home and the increase in home delivery, we can expect to see more “delivery pods,” lessening the need for people to drive . . . In summary, most of the charging of the pod-like vehicles will happen at local depots (the way city buses convene at depots for fueling) . . . Ultimately, we won’t need to build a charging infrastructure in apartment buildings, etc., because the charging of these fleet-owned electric vehicles will happen at these depots. TAAS has lower costs for the end user than owning a vehicle, paying for fuel, insurance, etc.
A lot of our urgent rapid response ambulance vehicles are electric in the UK and they have no issues with range etc. But if you can charge 10-20 miles a min, that’s not an issue and the money saved on fuel can go back into the NHS.
There's only public parking in my area, always fighting for a spot, i can't imagine charging at home
That's why the 2nd best option would be charging at work/school. Installing chargers at all areas where most people usually spend most of their time (home, work, school, hotels) is what needs to be prioritized to give most people an easier way to charge on a daily basis.
Have you tried riding a bike? You can park them in many more places by virtue of being about the size of a person. You can even park one inside a small apartment. Of course, ideally, bike parking garages, parking inside your building, bike racks scattered around your community, and transit station bike parking should be provided so you don't have to put your bike inside your apartment.
@@ElectricGlider2016 too crazy of a task. Not everyone works at a normal place like the mall, hospital, etc. millions of Americans own their own business and work in small warehouses, a small vet office, etc. that means every building across the USA will need a quick charging station.
Yes more chargers are necessary, but it is happening already.
I just drove a Bolt EV from Vancouver BC to Asheville, NC with existing infrastructure. I had no worries about charging and met many people travelling with EVs in different directions! This is just the beginning...
The LA ports are insisting deisel powered trucks are on their way out and want owners to move to zero emission vehicles by 2023. All while there are no electric trucks for sale. Three ones that are available are estimated to cost $400k, and the infrastructure to charge all the trucks needed to carry on operations seamlessly doesn't exist.
No. Electric trucks are available. A two second google search revealed the BYD 8TT for $300k that has $120k of incentives available to bring the price down to $180k. Just a bit more than a diesel. Also, BYD will help with chargers.
Plus if you use exchangeable batteries you transfer jobs , also a time window to keep improving batteries without touching the cars
The big problem with this video, is the idea that charging would happen anywhere but at home the vast vast majority of the time with level 2 charging.
So really, all thats needed, is mandating that rentals provide charging spots.
That makes sense. Many cities require(d) apartments to be built with 1, 1.5 or 2 parking spaces per apartment. Now several cities around me have dropped any parking requirements and require parking spaces to be rented separately from apartments. And no, you can't park on the street because it is only two hour parking. Half of the existing parking spaces were regularly empty and the cost of renting an apartment rose even for those who didn't own a car. Adding charging would first be required in new construction and only later as retrofits to existing buildings. If the charging was intelligently controlled it would be done at night at lower rates and when the rest of the building demand was low. The power company would have to know what was going on as in some places they rely on low electric use at night to cool down their pole pigs (pole mounted transformers). None of this would happen over night and humans are quite adaptable.
Parking garages I imagine are made to the maximum tolerance. No worries about adding more weight to a structure that has been built to the lowest tolerance to save money.
If the Infrastructure is not there then people can still buy Hybrids which don't require charging. In 2021 there were 800,000 Hybrids sold in the US - up by 76%
If your commute is less than about 40 miles each way, a level one charger (110V household outlet), even with an outdoor extension cord, is plenty sufficient even with a 100 mile range vehicle. Granted, you need a dedicated parking spot and access to an outlet, but the vast majority of Americans can live with a trickle charger. Yes, I know this from experience, in a midwest northern state. Trickle charge might be a problem for a month or two in ND, but hardly anyone lives there anyway, heh heh
We need to reduce the number of cars on the road
And increase the number of pedestrians, cyclists, buses, and trains! People > cars
"California easy" is because, unlike what those of others states say, California is not a failed state, and actually cares about their people. We have high environment standards for a reason. BOOM
I have an electric bike. 17 miles per charge, 3-4 hours to charge, and only adds about $10 per month on my electric bill. If I need to go out of town I'll just rent a car for the day.
I honestly in many ways like older cars, but ideally I would have like some old car from the '90s and some electric car because they are both cool in their own ways and have pros and cons. I like having a cassette player and having a car that doesn't spy on you. These electric cars collect data on their drivers, often disturbing amounts of it. I do like the safety measures on modern cars though like automatic braking and backup cameras as well as blindspot cameras. Those are very helpful. I wish the vehicles that I had been driving had blindspot cameras because it is annoying to have to look over your shoulder and it sometimes causes you to drift out of the lane.
Do you know the cost of making a electric car in Co2 a lot. This is not the way to go for the Future. Not in this near Future
To be honest I was more interested in why it can’t do it rather than how it can…
No way. For infinite reasons. Besides Argonne National Laboratory has measured the lifecycle carbon cutting results of Ethanol and ended up with a result that E85 is 46% less carbon intensive than gasoline. Immediately. Not 5 years from now. Right now.
As long as I don't have the ability to charge as fast as put in gas (I can go in and out of gas station in less than 5 minutes with range of 400-460 miles or more with a car with better mpg) then EVs aren't for me and many people. I drive daily around 60-80 miles and I don't have 30 to 120 minutes to fill in my car (and no I don't have charger at home because I live in apt. building without their own dedicated parking spaces)
So long as batteries and other engine parts require excessive mining and pollution and African/Asian slavery to obtain - there is no morale or environmental difference than using a combustion engine vehicle. Especially since 80 to 90% of every amp used to charge them cones from coal and oil.
Wind and solar energy is expensive, has a large carbon footprint, and we do not have reasonable battery storage solutions yet to maintain our grid. Germany and Texas are learning this as we speak quite literally.
While many don't like big oils influence and power, big green energy is no different in its behavior via lobbying and pollution.
@Yummy Spaghetti Noodles I work in the world of electricity and batteries (VRLA and Li) and being in the field makes it so obvious that the green energy lobby is nothing more than a racket at this point in time.
What a crock of crap. I hope no one actually believes that nonsense. Do you protest mining coal and drilling for oil just as much? Because EV batteries only have to be mined once for the life of the car. Oil and coal requires continuous extraction.
And while 60% of global electricity comes from fossil sources, in countries where EVs are actually available, the electricity is cleaner. Even here in backward USA, 45% of our electricity is fossil free.
Batteries are not needed to maintain a continental scale grid.
Wind and solar are the cheapest source of electricity right now. Saying otherwise is an easy to disprove lie. In both Texas and Germany, what they are learning is the cost of fossil fuel dependency. Wind and solar are more reliable.
Why do you have to lie so much? What are you afraid of?
This 👆🏻
Have you tried riding a bike
@@mrmaniac3 Unfortunately, a bike doesn't help most people get 30+ miles in 100 degree temperatures.
How about we reduce the number of cars, and build infrastructure for bicycles and public transport?
Lol.
Who's "we"? You want me to pay for your lifestyle?
@@zoanth4 You're paying either way, so you might as well pay for the lifestyle that is efficient and cheap
@@zoanth4 I don't want to pay for yours, but the car dependent lifestyle has been subsidized for decades. Quit whining about the logistical needs of a civilization.
@@mrmaniac3 my civilization is better than yours.
Great video--and your dad was happy to figure prominently in the conversation!🤣
Sometimes I buy 5 gallons of diesel and pour it into the Hudson river just for fun
Try Throwing batteries in the Hudson river on earth day it will bring you so much joy
No! Don't waste all that yummy snack! Drink your diesel and eat your batteries, as a treat!
I feel chargers should have a schedule setting. Every single time I heard/read about avoiding peak hours, it's stated as something to be avoided. Are drivers expected to come home from work, not plug in their car, then remember to plug it in before bed?
It will be a long time before I own an EV, so I have no idea if chargers have timers on them. But I cannot see why a charger cannot have a program that allows for slow (low energy consumption) charging during peak hours, and fast charging during non-peak hours.
Better yet, the chargers are likely IoT devices already, so all they would need is a signal from the local utility to smartly "know" when the slow charge and when to fast charge.
No one is pushing me to by an EV but myself! I have placed an oprder for a 2023 Chevy Bolt EUV. While the milage is not as high as it could be, I am super excited at all the possibilities of owning an EV.
2:30 - “outside of California, owning an EV is unrealistic”: That’s a bit of an exaggeration. Driving _only an EV_ while living in a typical apartment is probably a bit unrealistic.
Americans average about 20-25 miles per day after you factor out road trips. You can easily charge that from an ordinary 120V outlet overnight.
Thought this video is actually going mention nuclear power which we lack...
Too expensive
"I smell burning electrical wires everywhere." Everybody plugin at the same time and fry the infrastructure.
I'm ready for a huge drop in private car use, and a surge in bicycle and public transit use instead. Cars don't matter. People do.
Agreed, personal EVs is not the future, it's more a stop gap measure while public infrastructure catches up.
On the subject on if we have enough power, do you know why people complain that battery life tanks when using things like AC while that's not a major problem with ICE's? That's because burning gas/diesel is extremely inefficient and if we literally just used a generator to power multiple EV's with the same amount of gas/diesel we would make more power with less fuel, and gas/diesel aren't even the most efficient forms of oil to use for electricity. So yes, we can generate enough power for them.
About 1/3 of Americans live in single-family houses or otherwise have routine access to outlets from which they can routinely charge overnight. Almost all of those people can easily charge their daily driving needs overnight from just a typical 120V outlet. Few such people really need a dedicated EV charger at home.
*NO* . Unless the charging is done at homes equipped with solar panels and battery power backup.
Range anxiety should be shortened to Range-xiety
Stop treating charge stations as petrol stations!
Charging stations should be where people spend time during trip - restaurants, tourist spots, shopping malls. Slow chargers are at home, on street - every lamp post can become charge spot. Fast chargers are needed at remote spots, and should be used as least as possible. High power demnd is strain on network, not lot of slow and predictable charging vehicles.
They should provide incentives for reverse charging (ev acting as a battery supplying power BACK to the grid) for times of peak load. Could significantly reduce electricity generator requirements
Owner showcases how $86K GMC Hummer EV takes 4 DAYS to fully charge from home outlet October 3, 2022
Actually a great video!
Texas electrical system is definitely formidable enough.
Why not just give all the highway money to Amtrak and have them make a HSR system and better public transit for everyone.
And bike infrastructure too.
The highway exists for the military not you, thats why. But we should focus on less highways and more trains, especially within cities as urban highways are detrimental to the city.
@@jasonreed7522 HSR can deploy the military faster and can carry more stuff.
@@KRYMauL and rail transport of military assets/personnel is significantly more efficient, less self destructive to the infrastructure and the vehicles, and the movement of such can be carried out faster on rails than on roads. Imagine racking up hundreds of miles moving a convoy across the country when you could be putting that convoy straight onto a train for 90% of the trip.
@@mrmaniac3 Yep.
I don't understand why everyone is raving about electric cars. Give us dense neighbourhoods with shops and weekly essentials within walking distance, green space, cycling infra and public transport. We shouldn't rely on cars, electric or not.
AMEN
That isn’t the world we live in.
@@williammeek4078 it is the world we live in. The physical constraints of a three dimensional reality require efficiency. Running away from that fact in denial gets us nowhere but one gigantic parking lot.
I’m really surprised gas companies haven’t started future proofing gas stations but building a charging lot they control.
That's because they don't want to incentivize anyone to buy EVs as that is going to cut into their profit margins.
...Nope.
It is still too early.
Just take the subway ffs
In a lot of the us's cases it needs to build more transit options in general
And ride a bike
I have been getting seriously into the EV corner of debates... After seeing what's out there, Aptera solar has my heart. Up to 1000 miles on a single full charge and it tops its own range by itself via solar panels. Plus the chargers take a standard 110V for overnight charging.
The UK/Canada etc, will have bans on new gas vehicles in the not so far future, with those continuing to use/purchase old gas cars having an extra annual fee to pay due to emissions.
Simple answer is no. Our infrastructure is over a half century old with little to no updates (and that's just the power grid). Also the way things are now, we have WAY bigger problems to worry about.
U.S. businesses need to stop treating fast (level 3) ESVE charging stations like an unwanted red-headed stepchild. It should not have to be a treasure hunt to locate a charging station in some remote or far away, hidden area of a parking lot or garage.
Also, why has the price of installing a level 2 charger at one's home -- in my case, the state of Maryland -- more than doubled in the last year?
keep in mind these cars need a lot of copper, that's bad when you know how to find copper very quick and make a shit ton of money. these car's aren't a good idea like the wind turbines