CHOPIN Piano Trio in G minor (Op. 8) Score
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- "The Piano Trio, Op. 8, is a composition in G minor by Frédéric Chopin, written in 1828 or 1829, and published in 1829, dedicated to Antoni Radziwiłł.
The piece has established itself as a core member of the piano trio repertoire. In a letter to his friend Tytus Woyciechowski dated 31 August 1830, Chopin speculates whether he should have written the violin line for viola, believing that the viola's timbre would "accord better with the cello" Emanuel Ax is of the opinion that it is perhaps fortunate that Chopin scored the work for a standard piano trio, since so few trios with viola exist."
-Wikipedia 2019
Performed by the Beaux Arts Trio (Menahem Pressler, Piano; Isidore Cohen, Violin; Bernard Greenhouse, Cello)
Allegro con fuoco - 00:05
Scherzo vivace - 10:47
Adagio sostenuto - 17:42
Finale allegretto - 23:52
Wish he did more chamber music... this is lovely
I had no idea Chopin wrote a Piano Trio..
Student work from his conservatoire year in Warsaw.
@@canman5060 yet this orchestration is better than Polonaise Brilliant Op.22 lol
@@dacoconutnut9503 your name is your introduction, just remove the word coco
@@dacoconutnut9503 more emphasis on the orchestration doesn’t equal better orchestration. Plus it would be weird to compare a trio to the polonaise brillante since trios are supposed to have equal instrumentation between all three parts. The polonaise brillante is a polonaise for piano with an orchestra accompaniment
@@johnsonzelop4259 depending on the way you compare, an orchestral piece could be easier or harder to be orchestration than a piano trio, I think. But you are right, it's weird to compare two different genres
To see this exemple of the style of early Chopin, it is incredible to note very significant characteristics of the classical period on it and especially how beethovenian this piece sounds on the whole, which was perhaps due to the fact that since this is a very early Chopin, he could still be uncertain on what style he would follow, or maybe it is because of the very traditional music genre that is synonymous with the classical period. Either way, this serves as a great testament to how Chopin was influenced by Beethoven, Mozart and many other of their contemporaries
I love how you hear the different instruments in different ears, it makes this piece seem like you listen to it in real life
What the hell are you talking about?
@@coreylapinas1000If you wear headphones, you can hear the violin in the left ear and the cello in the right, it makes the sense of perspective.
"The piece has established itself as a core member of the piano trio repertoire." That's quite an overstatement lol.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, Bravo!
I laughed my ass off when I read that. It's not a bad piece of music, but it's far from great.
@Crafty craft this trio is just a curiosity , at the margins of the standard repertoire. and would be completely forgoton if it wouldnt have Chopin name on it
@@bunaioara but it sounds great though
@@xyh1884 is great that you enjoy it :)
23:43 I love this section! Early Chopin has many great ideas
Don't remember which one I meant, probably a typo
idc what people say, this is masterful
The first movement of the Trio is built in a similar way as its equivalents in Chopin's First Piano Sonata and First Piano Concerto: In all three pieces the exposition stays in the tonic and fails to build up tonal tension. This tension only is established in the recapitulation. It seems that Chopin had the idea to turn classical sonata procedures upside down. Donald Tovey called this "a suicidal plan". Chopin made a good decision when he gave up this manner in his later sonatas.
Ooh I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this! Yeah I found it a bit weird at first, it's obviously quite a departure from the standard sonata form that is so ingrained in our minds. However, to me it felt a little fresh and different, and it wasn't really that off-putting - I think because Chopin always maintains a great deal of interest in the music with his melodies and use of harmony.
I wonder why Tovey made those comments - do you think it really is suicidal to try and change the standarf sonata form? To me that seems a little depressing if true...
So true !
And the transition to the reprise (2:32) is so bizarre in its uselessness. Chopin had to find a tortuous way to go from g minor to g minor.
@@mouf725 Tovey was an ardent admirer of classical forms. Music from the early 20th century which started deviating from Sonata form was thus not his cup of tea
@@adibhattacharyya8690 Yeah, that would make sense I guess
The first piano concerto the tension is actually between the e minor - major that pervades the exposition. The g major recap of theme 2 is the relief to the original tension - the thing that actually acts to bring us home, since part of it is actually e minor. A great example of turning sonata form on its head. The other two examples dont give any tonal tension at all. Thats suicidal, like Tovey put it
I was searching for this and it is one of the well played recordings. Thanks.
Damn that's a weird Scherzo.
(I mean that in a good way, to be perfectly clear)
The first movement made me feel like I had traveled back in time from the Romantic style back to the Baroque and Classical eras
people see chopin as a sad, even miserable being who feels that way all the time, but when there is a feature of his personality or in this case a work that reveals who he really was, they dismiss it as a frivolous work.
Rumors say this piece has been written for Star Trek: The Next Generation. :)
good music that makes us feel sad and hopeful
Thanks man for sharing such a piece.
The first movement is quite Mendelssohn-like. The opening reminds me a bit of the opening of Mendelssohn's first concerto.
The third movement is just beautiful.
Honestly, those that say that Chopin wasn't good at composing for instruments other than piano have flawed ears
I must confess that "Star Trek: The Next Generation" brought me here.
what episode, may I ask?
Season 6 Episode 19 - "Lessons"
Same.
Same here. And I just simply love Data’s violin playing. It’s beautiful beyond words.
Same here...I still cant get over the goofy look on Datas face 🤣🤣 Lessons is one of my favorite episodes
The first movement sounds a little bit like Beethoven, right?
First a furios beginning, than a little Melody. After that there is a little bridge. And than there is a catchy Presto melody.
Isnt it very beethovian?
I think, yes. Plus, he was 18 or 19 when he composed this piece. So yeah, I think he was certainly influenced by his works before composing pieces with his own style:)
I agree, but the next movimenties ( second and third specially) are totally chopinians.
Many Chopin's work are influenced by Beethoven indeed.. Like his most famous impromptu..
I thought it was very original, but how about you quote a work that comes closest to see if it really Beethovian?
Tan famoso que DATA y compañía lo tocan en un episodio de STAR TREK next generación….
24:21 good
The scherzo of this foreshadows the first Scherzo Op. 20 for solo piano written a couple of years later. It has those same chords at 14:35. Makes the incredibly lethargic tempo choice in this recording all the more puzzling. I don't believe this is what Chopin meant by Vivace!
imo it's no surprise that this isn't played very frequently... especially compared to most of Chopin's works lol
Why
Are you one of those who just think so because everyone says so, and one of those that if presented to this piece fakely as being Beethoven's would applaud enthusiastically and say that this piece is a testament to why Chopin's chamber music is bad despite the piece itself being part of it?
Спасибо огромное!
thumbs up if Star Trek, TNG brought you here!
I missed this episode. The TNG reference reminded me of Sarek's Brahms-induced tear however.
特徴的なメロディーが良い
8:47 Für Elise in a Chopin piece? Lol
27:45 Jazz
hardly mate. p.s. marx is not a very funny meme
Jazz people think everything is jazz
Chopin = 19th Century Polish Jazz.
@@erika6651 Which is not extraordinarily big-band Count Basie or Ellington jazz either, but hey, it works!
Jazz musician try to listen to any music without saying it is jazz challange. Difficulty level: impossible
Why does the pianist not play the correct rhythm in the second bar?
to torture you, Chuan Liu. he hates you and knows that extending a 16th to an 8th note once is enough to drive you insane because your world is very narrow.
@@aprilh3882 I was seriously asking. This type of modification isn’t that common in works from this era. It’s fine if you don’t know the answer.
@@squirrel4727 Maybe the performers are using another edition of the score, which is not the one shown on the video? That could be the case, but I'm not sure. It makes sense though. Many performers in this era are very strict regarding the score, and they play everything on as written on the score. Changing anything in it is considered as a 'taboo', so my assumption is that they probably had another edition which showed them an 8th note instead of a 16th, and that is the reason why they play it as such.
Lt. Cmdr. Darren brought me here.
was this composed by chiopin？ its like beathoben. my tastes sound
Since when did he write a trio
Chopin con toda la influencia de Beethoven..
I agree, though its wonderful, it is not so well known as other Chopins pieces. Chopin chamber music is not so much played.
Is it just me, or does the scherzo sound a bit like Schumann?
Çok iyi ❤️ good 💖🖤
このピアノ三重奏曲ト短調が作品8なんですね
作品9はノクターン第2番が有名
作品10は別れの曲や革命が有名
この辺りからショパンらしさが開花するのかもね
this piece has some wonderful ideas, its unfortunate the performers are so seemingly bored by it.
Sounds like he dashed this off for rent money.
I bet you couldn't even make two bars with such a level of perfection.
I love chopin but What the fuck is this
This is great ? What are you talking abt