The lady talking about Syrian muslim oppression should ask herself who is actually responsible for it. And then maybe she will direct her questions to the right people.
Listen to this lady, according to her own ideology, in order to meet her own interests, she accused the Chinese government of persecuting Chinese Muslims and Uighurs for no reason. And emphasize that this is well-known, and you should not deny it. Therefore, as far as I am concerned (of course, I am an uneducated person), I can say that you have been sexually assaulted by various animals, and your expression is very excited and satisfied. Then I will find some people who agree with me to blame her. Like her, emphasize that this is a well-known thing. She could not deny it. Now I want to ask why you are so comfortable. Is it because the sex organs of donkeys are very large? I want to explain why the West will sit together and blame the Chinese government, because they are deeply worried about the implementation efficiency of the Chinese government and the continuous growth of the Chinese economy. Because the western developed countries do not want to lose their position in the world. This will not change their attitude towards China because of the Chinese system. China has military power to organize their aggression. Once China has mastered the high-tech manufacturing industry, the good days for the West to colonize China through high-tech disguised form will end. So the West wants to provoke China's civil war. The specific measures are as follows: First, it requires China to open up its speech (so that they can provoke contradictions between the government and the people for convenience); Secondly, it said that the Chinese government persecutes Muslims (provoking conflicts between Muslims and the Chinese government). 3. Spreading rumors about the government killing and persecuting the Uyghur and Tibetan people (which may lead to a war between the Han, Tibetan and Uyghur people, just like splitting Yugoslavia), the ultimate goal is to split China, drag down the economy, and let the world return to the era when high-tech products were produced in the West in exchange for a large number of low-end products manufactured in less developed countries such as China. In this way, the work of Westerners will be very easy, while China and other developing countries can only produce a large number of low-end products, which requires a lot of labor and pollution. People in developing countries work twice as much as people in western countries, which is called economic colonization 听这位女士说，根据她自己的意识形态，为了满足自己的利益，她指责中国政府无端迫害中国穆斯林和维吾尔人。并强调这是众所周知的，你不应该否认。因此，就我而言（当然，我是一个没有受过教育的人），我可以说你受到了各种动物的性侵，你的表情非常激动和满意。然后我会找到一些同意我的人来指责她。像她一样，强调这是众所周知的事情。她无法否认。现在我想问你为什么这么舒服。是因为驴的性器官很大吗？我想解释为什么西方会坐在一起指责中国政府，因为他们对中国政府的执行效率和中国经济的持续增长深感担忧。因为西方发达国家不想失去他们在世界上的地位。这不会因为中国的制度而改变他们对中国的态度。中国有军事力量来组织他们的侵略。一旦中国掌握了高科技制造业，西方通过高科技变相殖民中国的好日子将结束。所以西方想要挑起中国的内战。具体措施如下：首先，它要求中国开放言论（以便他们为了方便而挑起政府和人民之间的矛盾）；其次，它说中国政府迫害穆斯林（挑起穆斯林与中国政府之间的冲突）。3.散布有关政府杀害和迫害维吾尔族和藏族人民的谣言（这可能导致汉族、藏族和维吾尔人之间的战争，就像分裂南斯拉夫一样），最终目的是分裂中国，拖垮经济，让世界回到西方生产高科技产品，以换取中国等欠发达国家大量低端制造产品的时代。这样，西方人的工作将非常容易，而中国和其他发展中国家只能大量生产低端产品，这需要大量劳动力和污染。发展中国家的人付出的劳动比西方国家的人多倍，这被称为经济殖民。
Why is it important that China should be democratic? China is winning on all angles, change your ways. China is not a problem here. You all need to take a good look at yourselves.
@Ammar Hanafi Western media refer to places where learning Chinese is compulsory as concentration camps historically used by fascists. They will not report how much terrorist threat China has suffered in the past two decades, they will only report that people were killed, but they will not report why they died. Is a man guilty of slashing people with a knife at a railway station? Is a man guilty of driving a car and killing ten people in Tiananmen Square? Are people guilty of spreading cults and telling believers that the Han are an ugly people? Guess what, these people exist in Both Xinjiang and Tibet. However, your media will not tell you that the organization oppressed by China was a slave-enforcing regime before the new China was founded. So? Do you know the history? You just got brainwashed.
@@chadparker8198 If that fish is born in America, it is a piranha. But if it is born in China, it is a Koi. I hope you understand the philosophy of it ;)
hilarious. the speaker of Chinese shows what a fish the china government is in terms of democracy. the professor from china doesn't even dare to answer the uyghurs question directly.
@@user-xv5wd5yv1b Why talk to an ignorant person about a problem that doesn't exist at all? Have you ever been to Xinjiang? Do you see the lives of the people of Xinjiang today? From beginning to end this Frenchman said the bull's head is not right, just like writing a poem there, as if the individual can see, now Zhang Weiwei's prophecy one by one to achieve, this is the ancient oriental wisdom. And you're just a frog in Taiwan
I really respect to professor weiwei. all the good governance are truly the thing we should focus, rather than argue with which political system is better. As a chinese, the one party system has his disadvantages, the Western stay the same. we are trying to do modify our political institutions substantially. Let's see what's going on. All in all, the hegemonism of America is in recession. that's a good news :)
@@zettnicai2221 there's no need to modify your political institution if it's working efficiently. The only thing for you to do is to drop one single word from your party which is COMMUNIST and replace it with the word SOCIALISM and the world will live in peace ever after.
@@googlerwunn7344 you know what, from the very beginning period, the Soviet existence, china was officially announced that we were expecting to become a socialism country which leading by communist Party and we are in procrssing. till now, the word used is the 'culturaled' socialism! to be honest, I don't know why there's a conflict exist, what's the fundamental problem, except the profit, economic profit.
@Dennis Chu That means if you learn to translate Chinese into English, there will be many people like you may benefit from your translation and exchange ideas to help create a brighter future of the world. My English is not good enough, and I believe, if you learn Chinese, your English translation must be better!
Who cares abt white supremacists trust anyway?In a fast changing and unrest world, MIGHT is the only thing that matters.Money talks bullshit walks and ur trust worth nothing XD
"Don't attack me about my knowledge", from a person who has not been to China, has not seen lives with her own eyes, has not talked to Chinese citizens about what they really care and what they feel, the person whose the knowledge about China is only from the western narrative. That is how arrogant she is.
The lady who raises the Xinjiang problem is making no sense at all. I come from Xinjiang and lived there for over 18 years. From my younger ages, the minority people, such as Uygur people, are living a equivalent live with that of Han's, from my living experience as we have so many uygur classmates. Actually, more privileges are given to minority people in some aspect, such as education etc. The news on western media are mostly biased and there are western foundations behind to support some Uygur extremists to make terrorist events in the name of democracy and independence.
@Grand Budapest what you said is not fully true. The cases you raised are of some extreme cases. The the cases you raise in western country are also not fully true. In western countries, going to good private school also requires good financial support from family. Yes, there are some people from poor nations in these private school but most of them come from the rich families of that nation, so they can send their kids to another country. In China, there are indeed some good private school only rich kids can get in. Also, a lot of Chinese public schools are doing good and provide high quality education. Kids going to public school also can good chances to get to good university if they study well. And most student in top 20 uni in China come from such public school, and a lot are from normal family (not rich family) and even poor family. The absolute equality is not existing in both western countries and in China, but regarding education, China is doing a far better job than western countries. The education accessibility and quality provides so many Chinese people to improve their life and move to a higher class of social status, while this is hardly achievable in western countries. Also, what I argue in this comment is the equality in minority people and Han people. In fact, the minority people enjoys much more benefits than Han people in education, politics and many aspect of life. For example, the university entrance exam will give minority student extra score (10-50 points) even though they are receiving the same education with Han people in the same class (uygur student can have 50 more score!) Another sample, when one child police was valid, minority people are exempted. Also, Han people are educated (as least in my age) to respect minority people’s religion and eating habits. If a class of us are eating outside together with uygur classmate, on table there will be only halal food and we would not talk anything about the non-halal food, as we serve their need first. If there is any non-equality in China, putting minority’s people need first can be one
@Grand Budapest about media, well, media in western is also manipulated. They just release what they want you to hear. See most main-stream media in US now, yes, they report some bad news of the national leader, but this is not for the good of the country but for the benefit of other party or to achieve politics benefits, the COVID this year definitely shows what government really cares people’s life and what government has the ability to minimize the death and recover the economy. The western countries have many merits and they are advanced in a time, but they cannot tolerate that another country of a different system can run well. Every country is not perfect, and different systems work for different country/people. If a so called advanced country denies, opposes and insults another country just because this country is different from that advanced country. This is called the prejudice and that is a shame.
Only I see SIX westerns discussing against only one chinese? Why didnt they call someone from North korean, a Russian, or a Pakistan to show the plurality of eastern political views?
this is what happened in the world now. USA and Europ countries fight against china and they think they represent the world while their population is less than China.
at least there's one non-western representative :) that's a huge forward step on export( I know there should be a better word :) ) of Chinese ideology which is acceptable as professor weiwei had passed.
Different cultures. It is understandable that the West is paranoid about every dictatorship after the Nazi disaster (people in the Western Europe were tolerant about the nazis and positive about Mussolini before the war). The thing we need to do is to show that we are not nazis, but maybe more like Franco Francesco. Like yeah sure we are different, but we can still do business and collaborate.
I wonder how it will turn out if Nexus Institute assembles 6 Chinese and only 1 Western thinkers to debate this same topic. It would be interesting too.
How about including a couple of people from Myanmar/Burma? They will tell you that the brutal military regime in their country couldn't survive without China's full support.
@@donaldseekins6516 yes and let's also bring in some civilians from Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, and Syria and let them demonstrate how the "forced upon them American style democracy" is working for them.
The same racist imperialist mindset that has domination and exploitation at it's heart inspired that lopsidedness... The imperialist West has done the most havoc in Africa till date
Hahaha, he was literally telling Zhang to worship the western ideology meanwhile Zhang is just proposing an alternative to the western political system which is suitable to China. Now we can see who is the dictator.
@@zootsoot2006 A thing CALLED universal doesn't guarantee it IS universal. If you meet some aliens from other planet, will you argue with them about what is universal?
I guess what the French was responding to Prof. Zhang s question 'R u familiar with XJ Muslims' although Prof. Zhang did not really ask that way. The French tried to argue he had been to Muslims societies in countries bordering China XJ. Consequently, he assumed these Muslims would think alike.
chinchicat Myanmar and Bangladesh are probably more appropriate examples if they want to criticize India, not China. Xinjiang was nowhere near any of those places.
You eat beef, we eat pork. You said beef is delicious, go head, eat what you like, but why do you want other and even start war to force others to eat beef like you? Very interesting...
Listen to this lady, according to her own ideology, in order to meet her own interests, she accused the Chinese government of persecuting Chinese Muslims and Uighurs for no reason. And emphasize that this is well-known, and you should not deny it. Therefore, as far as I am concerned (of course, I am an uneducated person), I can say that you have been sexually assaulted by various animals, and your expression is very excited and satisfied. Then I will find some people who agree with me to blame her. Like her, emphasize that this is a well-known thing. She could not deny it. Now I want to ask why you are so comfortable. Is it because the sex organs of donkeys are very large? I want to explain why the West will sit together and blame the Chinese government, because they are deeply worried about the implementation efficiency of the Chinese government and the continuous growth of the Chinese economy. Because the western developed countries do not want to lose their position in the world. This will not change their attitude towards China because of the Chinese system. China has military power to organize their aggression. Once China has mastered the high-tech manufacturing industry, the good days for the West to colonize China through high-tech disguised form will end. So the West wants to provoke China's civil war. The specific measures are as follows: First, it requires China to open up its speech (so that they can provoke contradictions between the government and the people for convenience); Secondly, it said that the Chinese government persecutes Muslims (provoking conflicts between Muslims and the Chinese government). 3. Spreading rumors about the government killing and persecuting the Uyghur and Tibetan people (which may lead to a war between the Han, Tibetan and Uyghur people, just like splitting Yugoslavia), the ultimate goal is to split China, drag down the economy, and let the world return to the era when high-tech products were produced in the West in exchange for a large number of low-end products manufactured in less developed countries such as China. In this way, the work of Westerners will be very easy, while China and other developing countries can only produce a large number of low-end products, which requires a lot of labor and pollution. People in developing countries work twice as much as people in western countries, which is called economic colonization 听这位女士说，根据她自己的意识形态，为了满足自己的利益，她指责中国政府无端迫害中国穆斯林和维吾尔人。并强调这是众所周知的，你不应该否认。因此，就我而言（当然，我是一个没有受过教育的人），我可以说你受到了各种动物的性侵，你的表情非常激动和满意。然后我会找到一些同意我的人来指责她。像她一样，强调这是众所周知的事情。她无法否认。现在我想问你为什么这么舒服。是因为驴的性器官很大吗？我想解释为什么西方会坐在一起指责中国政府，因为他们对中国政府的执行效率和中国经济的持续增长深感担忧。因为西方发达国家不想失去他们在世界上的地位。这不会因为中国的制度而改变他们对中国的态度。中国有军事力量来组织他们的侵略。一旦中国掌握了高科技制造业，西方通过高科技变相殖民中国的好日子将结束。所以西方想要挑起中国的内战。具体措施如下：首先，它要求中国开放言论（以便他们为了方便而挑起政府和人民之间的矛盾）；其次，它说中国政府迫害穆斯林（挑起穆斯林与中国政府之间的冲突）。3.散布有关政府杀害和迫害维吾尔族和藏族人民的谣言（这可能导致汉族、藏族和维吾尔人之间的战争，就像分裂南斯拉夫一样），最终目的是分裂中国，拖垮经济，让世界回到西方生产高科技产品，以换取中国等欠发达国家大量低端制造产品的时代。这样，西方人的工作将非常容易，而中国和其他发展中国家只能大量生产低端产品，这需要大量劳动力和污染。发展中国家的人付出的劳动比西方国家的人多倍，这被称为经济殖民。
Impossible to talk, a group of theoretical ideologists without any practionarie experience, without any approach to reality, trying to dequalify Zhang Weiwei who is making a conceptual interpretation of a political system run by scientifics and engineers who implement an objective scientific and technological approach to solve problems of society. They should better review Samuel Huntington and Francis Fukuyama conclusions on Democracy Decay.
It would be wrong to classify the communist party as being run by scientifics and engineers. Look at their current response to covid, it is an absolute disaster now. The problem here is lack of diversity of thought and groupthink. Democracy entertains a lot of bad ideas, but authoritarian regimes fail to see many good ideas.
That is magic but also in expectation. US political system is a dead end. No one can save it because each side won't let the other succeed base on their own interest....
Even if Trump is a failure of Western political system, but don't forget Communist system has created much more n worse rulers in different communist countries that caused millions of people's death. Western political system is not perfect, but it's better than communism that carries out dictatorship under the propaganda of serving the people.
Clearly, everyone was attacking that Chinese speaker at the end of this clip. Where is the freedom of speech? Why were they so afraid of the alternative opinions?
@@chenguefer156 Hi, you replied, "They are giving their opinion respectfully, that is not attacking.", well, I disagree, because: 1) Would 5 people speaking against 1 not be considered attacking to you? ~ At 9:40, a man who talked with his hands gesturing in front of his own face claimed that, "YOU are saying how good you are. WE are saying that you are not very good." 2) From 7:26 to 8:08, Mr. Zhang was unexpectedly and aggressively interrupted. I don't know about you, but I consider it to be a disrespectful behavior. 2) At 9:35, after the only female speaker finished stating her opinions about Muslims, Mr. Zhang was ready to respond, but again, he was interrupted. I would say it was quite disrespectful! 3) At 13:13, the female speaker sarcastically interrupted Mr. Zhang by having said, "Who does to speak of China anyway (laughing...)", and Mr. Zhang replied, "(Who?) You know too little of China...". She immediately interrupted Mr. Zhang, "Don't ATTACKED me about my knowledge, because that's not the right way to talk about it." ~ Well, if she acknowledges the disagreement(s) as attacking, then she would admit that all the 5 speakers, including her, have been attacking Mr. Zhang during this 13:42min of clip, wouldn't she😉
@@hs2336 No, I think that chinesse people are not used to debating, because they have one party, one ideology, one government for ever, and those ones who dare to give a divergent opinion are condemned. Debating is for replublican democracy, not for dictatorships.
@@chenguefer156 So, are you trying to justify the rude behaviors of those 5 speakers by saying it was normal and it was the Chinese people's fault to think otherwise due to their lack of debating experiences?! How arrogant!!! Anyway, your comment reminded me of the typical prejudice people have against China. Because in China, people do debate in various forms, including but not limited to the fields of entertainment, academics, and politics. 1）Entertainment debate 1-a）One of the famous debating shows in China: ruclips.net/video/b0eBd7mYviI/видео.html 1-b）Another very famous debating show that was hosted by CCTV in China. Below is its link to the finals (Round 8): ruclips.net/video/oqlBd7ZawQs/видео.html 2) Academic debate One of the famous examples is the Chinese Debate World Cup: ("Harvard & Yale" VS "Renmin University of China") ruclips.net/video/bKeN6yB-U-c/видео.html 3) Professional debate One of the Journalism Debates (finals). The participants are moderators and news anchors: ruclips.net/video/Zp982WJSVGs/видео.html 4) Political debate 4-a) One of the elections from one of the poorest villages in China 42 years ago (in 1980): ruclips.net/video/72Xc4h3tpIE/видео.html 4-b) One of the press conferences, after the 13th National Committee of CPPCC (Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference) meeting in 2018, such as this one: ruclips.net/video/tzm4AswnRvo/видео.html
@@chenguefer156 My advice, read more African American history before you rush into this conclusion. It would be easier for you to understand the difficulty of debating with unequal power.
I love how only the chinese guy are the most modest and less agressive. He is surrounding by wolf critizing him and public laughing at him. Wonderful, to defeat one chinese you must bring 6-7 experts lol
huh? just this segment at 11:57 that chinese guy was the most insufferable, arrogant person on that table, and doesnt represent chinese culture one tiny bit
Chinese guy speaks English better n l bet none can speak his!! There is the answer..they full of themselves.dont justif y china's system is China,theirs isn't that good ,look at USA,black n white,drugs,jobless n homeless,filthy roads n crimes etc.....
They are falling on pieces the West n yet have the audacity to talk China down.professor maybe too western friendly n getting attack by yr so called friends.
China's system = capitalist socialism, USA's system = socialist capitalism. China is obsessed in finding good leaders to run & maintain system. USA is obsessed in changing leaders to run & maintain system.
if democracy is so good, then Americans should like Trump, actually, 50% likes him, the other 50% hates him very much. In a divided society, democracy further amplifies conflicts instead of united the socity. US, no hope.
@@ybi2610 that's true. I agree your statement that democracy is actually amplifiying conflict. Don't forget the natural character of western is Individualistic.
Yeah and yet that bad leader was replaced through election. We had to deal with Trump only 4 years .Now China has a piece of shit dictator and when is he stepping down???? Yeah exactly, when he dies from old age.
I'm a Chinese graduate who learns and admires Western languages and cultures. I have no bias against the West and no passion for defending my country, but let me assure you that ethnic minorities are not oppressed in the country. I have Tibetan friends who love hiphop and dance with us; I have classmates from Xinjiang with good academic achievements in our university, one in central Hubei province; and I also have a gay friend from Xinjiang who came out early... PLEASE don't believe these arrogant westerners and their media! Come to China, we are nice and you will have a different and truer view of the world.
I believe you. Have you seen western media portrayal on china? Not one positive news about China here. You have to actively do a search online to find positive news about China.
@@streetpotato5574 That is because all we western media belongs to white people,which are mostly english speaking country. Usa is the boss of all of them and envy about china fast development.Thats why the chinese censored the internet because of western media biased new and double standard hypocrties. Btw minorities ethnic were treated with priviliged and it is not like what the western medis have promoted. You can google "affirmative action in china " and you see all the policy for minorities.
Trump and bush did not practice democracy. You are pointing out mere failures of the actual system as it is in the past decades. Communism claims certain features for everyone in a fair and balanced societal model, and yet the results we all saw through decades are clear. Venezuela, Cuba, Rússia, vietnam and many other European places that shared its practice in the past. How are they still today? Right what is in common now, you may say? People have to separate things apart. Sometimes, we are loving years whose results are not caused by actual government. Essentially, countries experience certain “hangovers” that result from better years ... phases
"We've forgotten what the real advantages of democarcy are, the real advantages of democarcy are simply rights but that when people are disappointed you are giving them a mechanism through which they can react. Democracy is not famous for doing the right things but democracy is famous for changing the goverments that people dont like without violence." - a speakers says and a very sensible argument. The other speakers then immediately thereafter go on to lecture and bombard the Chinese advocate, to the point of pointing fingers and shouting without giving him a chance to respond, whilst another scolds him for attacking her knowledge. This is the democracy that is being advocated - Shut up and do what I say, I know better what is good for you than you do! It then seems clear to me: It is not the ideology that is the problem, be it democracy, communism, capitalism or socialism. The problem is us, as people.
Confucious said if the government do the wrong thing, be disobedient. Change the leaders so what is the different. The different is not about Changing govt because both can do that but the Chinese meritocracy ensure qualified leaders to lead.
Changing the govt in democracies doesn’t make any difference you still have the same system. You can’t change the system by voting and if you try the US has the Patriot Act to stop it. This act violates the constitution in 6 important points and was voted upon unanimously by both Democrat and Republican parties, so let’s not pretend you have a choice. Mark Twain said “ if voting made any difference they wouldn’t let us do it “
Westerner: So, would you consider exporting your model to the world? China: No, that's your thing man... you westerners export your brilliant ideas to the world on the basis that they are superior, we have seen how great that's been so far for Africa.
Because he thinks that the clean air in the Europe is heaven and the air pollution in China is evil . However it has never mention that the pollution is because China is producing items for their world to enjoy .
Thanks to all of you in the comments section, China has been so misunderstood by the media. Too much prejudice and discrimination is spread from the media to ordinary people. Hope the world can be kind to China, at least try to understand China.
The question above, "Is China an alternative to Western democracy?" is out of balance because it pits a nation against a political system. It should be "Is the PRC an alternative to the US?" Another balanced question is "Is a Socialist nation with political characteristics like that of the PRC an alternative to Capitalism with the political characteristics of the U.S. political system?" because it compares two economic and political systems. There we have two questions that can intelligently be discussed.
It's amusing to watch the video after almost 4 years. Some of the theories are already self-proved wrong in the past 4 years. A lot of western scholars lock themselves in an imaginary ivory tower and get submerged in their West supremacy view. I find some of the western scholars grossly biased that they did zero research on China when accusing what the government is doing. On the other side, Chinese people have been learning English and getting exposed to the western culture generation by generation. In that aspect, the Chinese scholar is far more globally informed than some of his peers that seat here. How brazen and ridiculous that they are lecturing others upon something they have no first-hand experience of at all.
Prof Zhang Weiwei: The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao. The name that can be named is not the eternal name.... The Westerners: 'Yabba Dabba Doo!
this clip was published 2 years ago. Two years later, which is late Apr 2020, Covid-19 has been swiping thru the globe in the recent 4-5months. The fact tells which system works better. In modern China, we believe the starting point is people. For USA, the focus was economy. But we can surely tell that while China sacrifice a short term 2-months suffer, things are gradually restoring. while the west are still suffering from lockdown. One more thing! China and the west are all exporting their political systems. The west uses push mode while China exports only under pull mode. Pls do not mix Chinese gentle mode up with any brutle method.
I have never imagined a scholar would think she knows everything and can judge a whole country upon her knowledge nowadays. Look at their eyes, all despised and disgusted. I believe that is definitely not the way to go about.
Weiwei is actually bold enough to use Confucius’ analogy of the boat being the government and the water being the people, where the boat needs the support of the water and the water can overturn the boat, to describe the Chinese system in comparison to democracy. Beating all of them around the bush. The irony would be funny if it wasn’t about such a serious subject.
@@pauloferreira7543 the Millions of death were caused by decades of USA sanctions, where mao had to resort to agricultural reforms, which failed. USA got blood on their hands not Mao, because he tried to save a nation.
Accusing the Chinese about Uyghurs right, and he replied he has been to Bangladesh and Burma?! Forgetting that the French , throughout most of their civilization, had been a colonists worldwide, slaved the natives and depleted their natural resources. In simple word, a narcissistic pirate.
I was extremely surprised by truth and fact investigation level of western scholar, esp. when Mr Rob Riemen was talking about "credit system" in China, it is a poor rumor that could be easily clarified by a phone call to any western people lived in China.
Nexus Conference reminds me when CHINA was atttacked by the western powers including Russia and Japan. Apart from that, if CHINA refused to be dominated by them, history tells us the 'GREAT' Britain government introduced opium and ruled HongKong until 1997. Since your issues here are all about human rights, freedom and values, it's better for me to make a long discussions short, I would like to begin with defining Ideology as a belief only just as we consider religion is subject to one beliefs. As we all know, the lone chinese presence in your group is already domineering, if not humiliating to that person but that's not the point that I am driving at, my question is : why CHINA has adopted Communism instead of Demoracy? The reasons was that China want to be left alone and be free and independent from western influence and domination, right? In other words, they are what you made them to be because of your policy or theory during that time 'to divide and conquer' as what you have done in Africa and in the Middle East. The current map of the two continents(Asian and African continents) is my evidence. If the west defined Communism as dictatorial, then there's no difference between the western democracy which is now domineering the world. In short, domineering is just another word for dictatorial, isn't it?
Democracy is defined as a government by the people, usually through elected representatives. There's no mentioned that multiparty is a requisites before it can be considered as a democratic system of government. It's democratic as long as it is not a government by a privileged upper class or considered as superior. In short, democracy is social equality as opposed to aristocracy.
@@opiniononly8259 adding to this: china has 9 political parties working together. Secoundly chinese system is designed to bring change bottom up. Its more democratic on paper on practice there is corruption but their success is evidence of democracy. On the other hand the path to communism is through democracy.
As a chinese, I think at 9:40 the guy brought out really valuable points on both sides. His insights on democracy is precious. Thus I do wish the question he asked about china get answered by my government. The french and the girl brought shame to the "western ideology" side on this table by using child way of express their feeling. Maybe you can respect culture, but you don't know how to respect human being with different ideologies. Or , you only consider ppl believe wt u believe human beings? Ya Im talking to u Bernard Levy
hey, that's just how the french speak. I am more ashamed (as a human) about the go-to response that every Chinese person in the public sphere has to resort to (if they care about their own and their families' lives that is) when addressing what's going on in Xinjiang. "Have you been to XJ?", "Have you seen the rapidly rising living standards?"... They know damn well what they're doing, and we understand perfectly well why he, or any other godfearing (or rather Party-fearing) Chinese public person will never discuss it honestly. It's just so rotten.
John Dalrymple any speech from the outside is not the best way to view the situation. Go to China look more closely by your own eyes, is a much better way. Weiwei is right, the western lack most part of basic knowledge to understand what is China.
@@jkdalrymple Reacting to the statement, Belarus Ambassador Valentin Rybakov addressed the committee on behalf of 54 countries, including Pakistan, Russia, Serbia, Egypt, Bolivia and the Democratic Republic of Congo. Rybakov defended China's actions in Xinjiang as what effective anti-terror and deradicalization methods. "Now safety and security have returned to Xinjiang and fundamental human rights of people of all ethnic groups there are safeguarded," Rybakov said. "We commend China's remarkable achievements in the field of human rights. www.dw.com/en/un-members-divided-over-chinas-treatment-of-uighur-minority/a-51046710
@@raymondlam8071 Maybe it escaped your attention, but no one is allowed to visit Xinjiang. IF the Chinese had nothing to hide, they wouldn't be so "protective" of their concentration camps. Maybe you also missed how all of the HK booksellers selling books deemed "distasteful" to Beijing suddenly disappeared - no public arrests or charges - only to mysteriously turn up months later in jail - without trial? Maybe you haven't heard about the persecution of the Falun Gong? Maybe you missed China banning Disney for more than a decade for making a film "glorifying" the Dalai Lama? Maybe you missed the CCP's disregard for their commitment to the people of Hong Kong? Perhaps you missed - just recently - the Chinese government halting Ant Group's $34 billion IPO - the largest ever - because Jack Ma said some things that offended Xi Jinping? And maybe you missed - just Monday of this week - the sham trial and conviction of Zhang Zhan for her reporting (as in reporting the truth - rather than the CCP dishonest narrative? No journalists or foreign observers were allowed at her trial. The charge? "Picking quarrels and provoking trouble"! 4 years in prison. Until about 40 years ago, more than 90% of China's people lived in not just poverty - but ABJECT poverty. And much of what they've gained since has come at the expense of the middle classes of the U.S. and other countries via rampant pollution of the planet, unfair trade practices and outright theft. To my way of thinking, they have a long way to go to earn a seat at the table of man. You are a fool if you believe virtually anything the CCP promulgates. If you admire it so much, feel free to go live there. Oh wait! Unless you're an ethnic Chinese - you can NEVER become a Chinese citizen. And if you are not a Chinese citizen you can't even purchase an automobile there (or own property).
@@jkdalrymple Signing the second letter, in defense of China’s policies, were: Algeria, Angola, Bahrain, Belarus, Bolivia, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Comoros, Congo, Cuba, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Egypt, Eritrea, Gabon, Kuwait, Laos, Myanmar, Nigeria, North Korea, Oman, Pakistan, Philippines, Qatar, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, South Sudan, Sudan, Syria, Tajikistan, Togo, Turkmenistan, United Arab Emirates, Venezuela, and Zimbabwe. Immediately noticeable is the geographic divergence between each list. The first is dominated by Western states, mostly in Europe, and the second stuffed with African and Middle Eastern nations. Importantly, the first letter does not include a single signature from a Muslim-majority state while the second features many, including Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. thediplomat.com/2019/07/which-countries-are-for-or-against-chinas-xinjiang-policies/
As a point that raised by admired French researcher, as he said one of greatness man would do the opposite of what the main stream do. I’m wondering isn’t China is doing it now? China didn’t follow the “Democratic system” that been promoted to most of country and create a system themselves and it worked. Wouldn’t be one of greatness? I know nothing is perfect but it still it pointed that no only democracy works
I lived in NY for the longest time and as a Brooklynite I have learned to voice my words and my words only and shut every other opinion closer to the truth or which sounds better than mine. Democracy at it's finest. From WAYYY DOWNTOWN.
notice how at 13:12, the lady tries to mock china by stating that Chinese people are too afraid to speak up against their government. she somehow thinks that she made brilliant observation, and even starts laughing. she then looks at the other `intellectuals´ but quickly realizes that nobody´s reacting to her ´joke´. Cringe in its purest form. Zhang Weiwei did very well, considering he was up against 6 people. It´s very noticeable that he is arguing on a higher than level than, say, Bernard Henri-Levy. The french guy was insufferable, he is drunk on liberal ideology. He acted the same way when he debated Dugin
SOB French-Algerian Jew, Bernard-Henri Levy, was so full of himself, kept spinning his fake knowledge about the plight of Uyghurs by telling Zhang rudely, "mind your own business" when Levy was pressed whether or not he had been to Xinjiang. So fake and totally unprofessional.
@@qindu4120 When pressed by Zhang whether or not he had ever been to Xinjiang, Levy answered he went to Burma (Myanmar)! Myanmar is not even close enough to Xinjiang! This guy is called an expert. What a joke?
I watched the full version of this 100 minute video twice. The same feeling from the twice experience is the full of Western arrogant. another much stronger feeling comes from the experience after 2020,the COVID19 pandemic. In 2021, Looking back at this conference, I really hope these so-called scholars or experts have the courage and honor ,forcibly and rudely or not ,to advocate their so-called political system and the so-called freedom that people don't even have the freedom to live. At last, I just want to say, it's very nice to hear your voices, especially this kind of voice. hope you can continue thinking as the same old way. we sincerely wish all of you good luck!
they care about human rights. in 2020 they hijacked all the top shelf vaccines, dementia kicks in they they'd suddenly forgotten about Africa and those developing countries that those countries need vaccine too. Look forward to a debate about Vaccine-Right in 2022 round table.
explanation from Cambridge dictionary,that's used to describe someone or something is not suitable or not correct. if westerners DONOT know us at all,then you'd better not to judge us,especially from the God's eyes.
China, alone in a lion den. That lady, who said "don't lecture me about my knowledge about China", indeed, I wouldn't bother. I would rather lecture her on how much she knows about the non-western world. Very little indeed. What a shame about this discussion, a complete waste of time.
China's CCP is not an alternative to any foreign government. China does not seek to change other countries' political systems neither should foreigners seek to change China's. There's NO such thing as perfect flawless political system on earth. However, all sorts of systems of governments should be able to mutually respect, live, coexist and do business together in a peaceful, harmonious way.
The lady in the video was originally a media communications consultant in the World Bank's Middle East and North Africa Department, with an annual salary of $133.66 million. Seconded to the US State Department on September 19, 2005. Prior to the secondment, she was promoted to managerial position without competition and received a salary increase of up to US$20,000 as required, but actually received a salary increase of US$47.34 million. After entering the State Council, she received a salary increase of $13,500, an annual increase of 7.5%. So far, Liza's annual salary has reached 193.59 million US dollars, which is at least 7000 US dollars higher than the annual salary of Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. The former president of the World Bank offered his girlfriend a promotion and salary increase, so he resigned.
It's very arrogant to say that china isn't democratic just because it's not the kind of democracy that you are used to. Democracy is a very old concept, formalized and given it's name by the greeks, and all it meant was rule by the people, the demos. Democracy isn't just when people vote. In order for a government to be meaningfully democratic, it must have the support of it's people and large majority of it's people, otherwise it's failing and could hardly be called democratic. A.k.a., the US and many other western countries that are very divided. China on the other hand, has immense popular support, that definitely isn't fake by any stretch. The Chinese government has it's dissidents as all governments inevitably will, but it's no where near the level that western countries get to.
What I don't like is that nexus institute cut the clip. And did not let The Chinese professor speak and defend. These western so called experts know too little about China. Really. They think, it's authoritian ,done story. While it's really not like that.
There is probably no "real" democracy, but tyranny can get pretty real on a personal level..quiet dying of the soul. This is one brave Chinese guy to stand in front of the truth like that.
The arrogance of the French people comes at a price! Like the Second World War, the oath is the most powerful France, the result of the surrender of the fastest or France, this is a joke! Hahaha
@@scarybird977 That's just history now. Taiwan used to be good because the United States wanted it to restrict China, so it gave a lot of support in many areas: economy, technology, military, etc. But most of the time, mainland China is blocked by the West on most things. Therefore, mainland China has developed better than supported Taiwan under the blockade. Can this fact tell you something?
The culture and values of China and Western countries are different. Which social system could attribute to the self-satisfaction and glamorous livelihood of citizens, the social system would be better. In China, a UK survey demonstrated that over 93% citizens support the government and enjoy their daily lives, the social system is therefore proved to be successful.
China policy is on right track - alleviation of poverty, protecting environment. Result in few years time tell better picture than debate words. Like many country, all has mistakes. China had it too but learnt from it and get it right.
Professor Zhang was thrown questions after questions (mostly were obviously rumors picked from social media) but he was not given time to express his ideas. Look at how these western intellects trying to impose their idealism onto others as they thought they were superior. This video was taken in 2017. Looking back now in 2021 after how all their countries behaved miserably and failed in their lousy governance in 2020 pandemic (even worse than many South East Asian developing countries), you can basically conclude who are just good in talking and who are better in action. I wonder if these so-called scholars will still have any dignity to repeat what they said today. Millions of Chinese and Asians study about the west, mastering their languages, history, social behaviour and political systems. While the arrogance of the west stop them from learning anything from the East.
The Western way of telling less developed countries about democracy is more like a rich ass person telling a homeless guy about life quality, healthy diet, and appreciation to fine arts, while food and a god damn shelter is really what the homeless people are thinking about! Democracy is never a bad thing. But is it the panacea for poverty and starvation? No, because it is so hard to get everybody on the common ground, especially when somebody needs to lose their interests for the general goal. At least when everyone is well educated and based on some extend of secured life, we then talk about democracy.
Cheny Chen Not every thing on paper is the truth westerners and Chinese are deceived by hate and lies.thinking one piece of paper or the lot of paper is the truth. A person can wri a book tat can be lies.
11:35 "Your leadership has not understood how really a great power has to work." Bro, China has been a great power since times when europeans were playing tribe-tribe.
It’s a joke to regard this as a debate or a discussion. It’s a trial by a bunch of judges with their minds made up. It’s a trap for the professor from China, i.e. the presumed guilty defendant. The professor is sincere and knowledgeable but he is a poor debater, particularly in this curiously lopsided setup, in other words, a trap. He doesn’t think on his feet fast enough to counter the aggressive attacks from multiple angles. His command of the English language, while excellent as a scholar, is not sufficiently fluent and fluid to command his presence and be persuasive. Next time, team China should send in Eric Li. I watched a program quite similar to this that Li participated in; in fact it might have been the same forum (trap). He was absolutely brilliant and masterful. He has quick wits and handled 6 or 7 opponents with ease. In any event, it’s a waste of time and effort to try to convince people who believe with irrational convictions or blind faith that there is only one way to skin a cat, i.e. western democracy is the ONLY acceptable form of governance, that every other form is inferior, flawed, phony and to be abhorred if not destroyed. They don’t come with open minds; they are only there to win an argument and thus reinforce their superiority. The bottom line is: China should not be troubled by these verbal attacks from the west. They are just noises. It does not need to explain itself to people who have no intention to listen. It should stay true to its aspirations, the well-being of its people and being a helpful partner to fellow developing countries. It does not need to proselytize its form of governance or development model to others. Share the experience only if sincerely asked. Talk is cheap anyway. It’s more important to show with deed.
Western politics: I feel like doing that so I did it and I believe in what I cannot confirm and just accept them as facts, so you can't attack me for my knowledge No wonder they're failing -_-
The lady talking about Syrian muslim oppression should ask herself who is actually responsible for it. And then maybe she will direct her questions to the right people.
The French "philosopher" sitting on her right was involved in the mayhem created by the western hypocrites in Libya and Syria.
Listen to this lady, according to her own ideology, in order to meet her own interests, she accused the Chinese government of persecuting Chinese Muslims and Uighurs for no reason. And emphasize that this is well-known, and you should not deny it. Therefore, as far as I am concerned (of course, I am an uneducated person), I can say that you have been sexually assaulted by various animals, and your expression is very excited and satisfied. Then I will find some people who agree with me to blame her. Like her, emphasize that this is a well-known thing. She could not deny it. Now I want to ask why you are so comfortable. Is it because the sex organs of donkeys are very large? I want to explain why the West will sit together and blame the Chinese government, because they are deeply worried about the implementation efficiency of the Chinese government and the continuous growth of the Chinese economy. Because the western developed countries do not want to lose their position in the world. This will not change their attitude towards China because of the Chinese system. China has military power to organize their aggression. Once China has mastered the high-tech manufacturing industry, the good days for the West to colonize China through high-tech disguised form will end. So the West wants to provoke China's civil war. The specific measures are as follows: First, it requires China to open up its speech (so that they can provoke contradictions between the government and the people for convenience); Secondly, it said that the Chinese government persecutes Muslims (provoking conflicts between Muslims and the Chinese government). 3. Spreading rumors about the government killing and persecuting the Uyghur and Tibetan people (which may lead to a war between the Han, Tibetan and Uyghur people, just like splitting Yugoslavia), the ultimate goal is to split China, drag down the economy, and let the world return to the era when high-tech products were produced in the West in exchange for a large number of low-end products manufactured in less developed countries such as China. In this way, the work of Westerners will be very easy, while China and other developing countries can only produce a large number of low-end products, which requires a lot of labor and pollution. People in developing countries work twice as much as people in western countries, which is called economic colonization 听这位女士说，根据她自己的意识形态，为了满足自己的利益，她指责中国政府无端迫害中国穆斯林和维吾尔人。并强调这是众所周知的，你不应该否认。因此，就我而言（当然，我是一个没有受过教育的人），我可以说你受到了各种动物的性侵，你的表情非常激动和满意。然后我会找到一些同意我的人来指责她。像她一样，强调这是众所周知的事情。她无法否认。现在我想问你为什么这么舒服。是因为驴的性器官很大吗？我想解释为什么西方会坐在一起指责中国政府，因为他们对中国政府的执行效率和中国经济的持续增长深感担忧。因为西方发达国家不想失去他们在世界上的地位。这不会因为中国的制度而改变他们对中国的态度。中国有军事力量来组织他们的侵略。一旦中国掌握了高科技制造业，西方通过高科技变相殖民中国的好日子将结束。所以西方想要挑起中国的内战。具体措施如下：首先，它要求中国开放言论（以便他们为了方便而挑起政府和人民之间的矛盾）；其次，它说中国政府迫害穆斯林（挑起穆斯林与中国政府之间的冲突）。3.散布有关政府杀害和迫害维吾尔族和藏族人民的谣言（这可能导致汉族、藏族和维吾尔人之间的战争，就像分裂南斯拉夫一样），最终目的是分裂中国，拖垮经济，让世界回到西方生产高科技产品，以换取中国等欠发达国家大量低端制造产品的时代。这样，西方人的工作将非常容易，而中国和其他发展中国家只能大量生产低端产品，这需要大量劳动力和污染。发展中国家的人付出的劳动比西方国家的人多倍，这被称为经济殖民。
Why is it important that China should be democratic? China is winning on all angles, change your ways. China is not a problem here. You all need to take a good look at yourselves.
"Democratic" is just a name. They want China to be poor and chaos. Look at Ukraine and Iraq then you know what I am talking about.
their democracy let them only believe on ONE single thing. Isn' it interesting?
Jack Lu lol that’s why China has resist memes of black people and is reporting them?
Jack Lu deporting
Taiwan is democratic and the economy is doing well.
The six foreigners(who think they know more about China!) against one Chinese professor whos been living in China his entire life? Seriously?
Ha!
Yes, they knew more real facts about China than you do! Do you know your 40 MILLION fellow countrymen killed by this party and it leaders!
Same colonial brain stuck in the toilet hole.6 against one,professor next time be smarter don't walk in a table to debate with 6/1 go in with 3/3.
他们是在讨论民主，而不是中共多么不好。
你在说什么东西？
你是在教我爱国么？
i am from Xinjing and those people are making no sense. all i can say that media is a really powerful thing, go figure out whats that mean.
W Z can you elaborate? i would want to know more thx
W Z I been to Xinjiang too, lovely place, lovely people..just certain parts not so good but hopefully we can live together harmoniously.
@Ammar Hanafi Thank for your pure BS
@Touhidul Islam Abir sb
@Ammar Hanafi Western media refer to places where learning Chinese is compulsory as concentration camps historically used by fascists. They will not report how much terrorist threat China has suffered in the past two decades, they will only report that people were killed, but they will not report why they died. Is a man guilty of slashing people with a knife at a railway station? Is a man guilty of driving a car and killing ten people in Tiananmen Square? Are people guilty of spreading cults and telling believers that the Han are an ugly people? Guess what, these people exist in Both Xinjiang and Tibet. However, your media will not tell you that the organization oppressed by China was a slave-enforcing regime before the new China was founded. So? Do you know the history? You just got brainwashed.
A group of ducks are lecturing a fish how to swim in the water.
A group of ducks reasoning with a piranha.
@@chadparker8198 If that fish is born in America, it is a piranha. But if it is born in China, it is a Koi. I hope you understand the philosophy of it ;)
@@chadparker8198 You're all just capitalists, we see it very clearly. Don't be a frog at the bottom of the well。
hilarious. the speaker of Chinese shows what a fish the china government is in terms of democracy. the professor from china doesn't even dare to answer the uyghurs question directly.
@@user-xv5wd5yv1b Why talk to an ignorant person about a problem that doesn't exist at all? Have you ever been to Xinjiang? Do you see the lives of the people of Xinjiang today? From beginning to end this Frenchman said the bull's head is not right, just like writing a poem there, as if the individual can see, now Zhang Weiwei's prophecy one by one to achieve, this is the ancient oriental wisdom. And you're just a frog in Taiwan
Chinese guy is attacked before he can respond - disappointed. I would like to have heard him speak his full thoughts.
I really respect to professor weiwei. all the good governance are truly the thing we should focus, rather than argue with which political system is better. As a chinese, the one party system has his disadvantages, the Western stay the same. we are trying to do modify our political institutions substantially. Let's see what's going on. All in all, the hegemonism of America is in recession. that's a good news :)
@@zettnicai2221 there's no need to modify your political institution if it's working efficiently. The only thing for you to do is to drop one single word from your party which is COMMUNIST and replace it with the word SOCIALISM and the world will live in peace ever after.
@@googlerwunn7344 you know what, from the very beginning period, the Soviet existence, china was officially announced that we were expecting to become a socialism country which leading by communist Party and we are in procrssing. till now, the word used is the 'culturaled' socialism! to be honest, I don't know why there's a conflict exist, what's the fundamental problem, except the profit, economic profit.
@Dennis Chu That means if you learn to translate Chinese into English, there will be many people like you may benefit from your translation and exchange ideas to help create a brighter future of the world. My English is not good enough, and I believe, if you learn Chinese, your English translation must be better!
Yeah that was weird. It's almost like his replies were deleted before he could even make them.
Hahahaha, funny when somebody thinks this is not fair, 1 vs 8 , that one is still winning! What a crap table.
@Grand Budapest tell the other 93 people who hit the like button to take meds.
No one trust china...
@@adamirfan6986 that is true, this is a complicated matter. But yeah apparently, the table is just one sided.
@@brucekwong7295 Why'd you even expect anyone to support China? Reputation is long gone for China.
Who cares abt white supremacists trust anyway?In a fast changing and unrest world, MIGHT is the only thing that matters.Money talks bullshit walks and ur trust worth nothing XD
"Don't attack me about my knowledge", from a person who has not been to China, has not seen lives with her own eyes, has not talked to Chinese citizens about what they really care and what they feel, the person whose the knowledge about China is only from the western narrative. That is how arrogant she is.
we call her Karen
@@Mike-oi2th Lmao best definition ever!!!
you have such insight, bro
She is in the panel to be a mouthpiece. Not as a thinker.
The chinese have a saying, "The right answer from the wrong person is still the wrong answer".
The lady who raises the Xinjiang problem is making no sense at all. I come from Xinjiang and lived there for over 18 years. From my younger ages, the minority people, such as Uygur people, are living a equivalent live with that of Han's, from my living experience as we have so many uygur classmates. Actually, more privileges are given to minority people in some aspect, such as education etc. The news on western media are mostly biased and there are western foundations behind to support some Uygur extremists to make terrorist events in the name of democracy and independence.
@Grand Budapest what you said is not fully true. The cases you raised are of some extreme cases. The the cases you raise in western country are also not fully true. In western countries, going to good private school also requires good financial support from family. Yes, there are some people from poor nations in these private school but most of them come from the rich families of that nation, so they can send their kids to another country. In China, there are indeed some good private school only rich kids can get in. Also, a lot of Chinese public schools are doing good and provide high quality education. Kids going to public school also can good chances to get to good university if they study well. And most student in top 20 uni in China come from such public school, and a lot are from normal family (not rich family) and even poor family. The absolute equality is not existing in both western countries and in China, but regarding education, China is doing a far better job than western countries. The education accessibility and quality provides so many Chinese people to improve their life and move to a higher class of social status, while this is hardly achievable in western countries. Also, what I argue in this comment is the equality in minority people and Han people. In fact, the minority people enjoys much more benefits than Han people in education, politics and many aspect of life. For example, the university entrance exam will give minority student extra score (10-50 points) even though they are receiving the same education with Han people in the same class (uygur student can have 50 more score!) Another sample, when one child police was valid, minority people are exempted. Also, Han people are educated (as least in my age) to respect minority people’s religion and eating habits. If a class of us are eating outside together with uygur classmate, on table there will be only halal food and we would not talk anything about the non-halal food, as we serve their need first. If there is any non-equality in China, putting minority’s people need first can be one
@Grand Budapest about media, well, media in western is also manipulated. They just release what they want you to hear. See most main-stream media in US now, yes, they report some bad news of the national leader, but this is not for the good of the country but for the benefit of other party or to achieve politics benefits, the COVID this year definitely shows what government really cares people’s life and what government has the ability to minimize the death and recover the economy. The western countries have many merits and they are advanced in a time, but they cannot tolerate that another country of a different system can run well. Every country is not perfect, and different systems work for different country/people. If a so called advanced country denies, opposes and insults another country just because this country is different from that advanced country. This is called the prejudice and that is a shame.
@Panda熊猫 Lee agree
@Grand Budapest There is no racial discrimination in the United States，I just cant breath
@Grand Budapest America has good health care，just dead more than Two hundred thousand
Only I see SIX westerns discussing against only one chinese? Why didnt they call someone from North korean, a Russian, or a Pakistan to show the plurality of eastern political views?
this is what happened in the world now. USA and Europ countries fight against china and they think they represent the world while their population is less than China.
Cause they are losing even against the one man army.
at least there's one non-western representative :) that's a huge forward step on export( I know there should be a better word :) ) of Chinese ideology which is acceptable as professor weiwei had passed.
Different cultures. It is understandable that the West is paranoid about every dictatorship after the Nazi disaster (people in the Western Europe were tolerant about the nazis and positive about Mussolini before the war). The thing we need to do is to show that we are not nazis, but maybe more like Franco Francesco. Like yeah sure we are different, but we can still do business and collaborate.
if your theory makes sense, one person is enough. And a couple sentences are enough.
Should have had a better balanced panel , one against 8
and still don't let the minority talk ,what a democracy
The Bronx Pops ! I’m getting the two Opium Wars vibes...
@The Bronx Pops Guess it shows 1 Chinese guys intellect is equal to 8 westerners..lol
The same happened to Eric Li.
Thanks! Well, we were used to it.
Don’t insult her knowledge when she doesn’t even know what is knowledge.
Hahahaha you got the point!
LOL. An arrogant bxxxxx
I wonder how it will turn out if Nexus Institute assembles 6 Chinese and only 1 Western thinkers to debate this same topic. It would be interesting too.
It will get ugly my friend ,from verbal abuses to physical, don't under estimated what they can do to you... Whar a shame
How about including a couple of people from Myanmar/Burma? They will tell you that the brutal military regime in their country couldn't survive without China's full support.
@@donaldseekins6516 yes and let's also bring in some civilians from Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, and Syria and let them demonstrate how the "forced upon them American style democracy" is working for them.
It would be more civilized.
Chinese are not as bloodthirsty.
The same racist imperialist mindset that has domination and exploitation at it's heart inspired that lopsidedness... The imperialist West has done the most havoc in Africa till date
Why was that woman even being invited to this forum lol? UNQUALIFIED
I hope she checked the comments which will help her with self-evaluation.
WHO IS OPPRESSING E MUSLIMS ALL OVER E WORLD? EVERYONE KNOWS N SEES WHATS HAPPENING IN E WORLD? LET E PPL OF E WORLD JUDGE....
Sick of any word coming from that French guy's mouth. Why the hell should others 'worship' his 'universal ideology' to make him 'happy'...
That's literally the stupidest thing anyone has ever said. Universal means for everyone, not just him.
@@zootsoot2006 thank you!
@@zootsoot2006 he meant European ideology.
Hahaha, he was literally telling Zhang to worship the western ideology meanwhile Zhang is just proposing an alternative to the western political system which is suitable to China. Now we can see who is the dictator.
@@zootsoot2006 A thing CALLED universal doesn't guarantee it IS universal. If you meet some aliens from other planet, will you argue with them about what is universal?
He has been to Bangladesh and Myanmar, so he knows people in Xinjiang are in despair🙄
I guess what the French was responding to Prof. Zhang s question 'R u familiar with XJ Muslims' although Prof. Zhang did not really ask that way. The French tried to argue he had been to Muslims societies in countries bordering China XJ. Consequently, he assumed these Muslims would think alike.
What's even more interesting is they never criticize the violence and killing against muslims in india.
I used to have some lunches with a muslim friend. Now, I’m claiming myself as Muslim expert. 🧐
chinchicat Myanmar and Bangladesh are probably more appropriate examples if they want to criticize India, not China. Xinjiang was nowhere near any of those places.
Hahaha. You are right.
You eat beef, we eat pork. You said beef is delicious, go head, eat what you like, but why do you want other and even start war to force others to eat beef like you? Very interesting...
Because the pork has trichinosis and will kill you.
omg is not about beef and pork, is about money and power, thats all. Ideology is bs but hypocritical expression for western politicans
@@zootsoot2006 Is beef always safe to eat?
Listen to this lady, according to her own ideology, in order to meet her own interests, she accused the Chinese government of persecuting Chinese Muslims and Uighurs for no reason. And emphasize that this is well-known, and you should not deny it. Therefore, as far as I am concerned (of course, I am an uneducated person), I can say that you have been sexually assaulted by various animals, and your expression is very excited and satisfied. Then I will find some people who agree with me to blame her. Like her, emphasize that this is a well-known thing. She could not deny it. Now I want to ask why you are so comfortable. Is it because the sex organs of donkeys are very large? I want to explain why the West will sit together and blame the Chinese government, because they are deeply worried about the implementation efficiency of the Chinese government and the continuous growth of the Chinese economy. Because the western developed countries do not want to lose their position in the world. This will not change their attitude towards China because of the Chinese system. China has military power to organize their aggression. Once China has mastered the high-tech manufacturing industry, the good days for the West to colonize China through high-tech disguised form will end. So the West wants to provoke China's civil war. The specific measures are as follows: First, it requires China to open up its speech (so that they can provoke contradictions between the government and the people for convenience); Secondly, it said that the Chinese government persecutes Muslims (provoking conflicts between Muslims and the Chinese government). 3. Spreading rumors about the government killing and persecuting the Uyghur and Tibetan people (which may lead to a war between the Han, Tibetan and Uyghur people, just like splitting Yugoslavia), the ultimate goal is to split China, drag down the economy, and let the world return to the era when high-tech products were produced in the West in exchange for a large number of low-end products manufactured in less developed countries such as China. In this way, the work of Westerners will be very easy, while China and other developing countries can only produce a large number of low-end products, which requires a lot of labor and pollution. People in developing countries work twice as much as people in western countries, which is called economic colonization 听这位女士说，根据她自己的意识形态，为了满足自己的利益，她指责中国政府无端迫害中国穆斯林和维吾尔人。并强调这是众所周知的，你不应该否认。因此，就我而言（当然，我是一个没有受过教育的人），我可以说你受到了各种动物的性侵，你的表情非常激动和满意。然后我会找到一些同意我的人来指责她。像她一样，强调这是众所周知的事情。她无法否认。现在我想问你为什么这么舒服。是因为驴的性器官很大吗？我想解释为什么西方会坐在一起指责中国政府，因为他们对中国政府的执行效率和中国经济的持续增长深感担忧。因为西方发达国家不想失去他们在世界上的地位。这不会因为中国的制度而改变他们对中国的态度。中国有军事力量来组织他们的侵略。一旦中国掌握了高科技制造业，西方通过高科技变相殖民中国的好日子将结束。所以西方想要挑起中国的内战。具体措施如下：首先，它要求中国开放言论（以便他们为了方便而挑起政府和人民之间的矛盾）；其次，它说中国政府迫害穆斯林（挑起穆斯林与中国政府之间的冲突）。3.散布有关政府杀害和迫害维吾尔族和藏族人民的谣言（这可能导致汉族、藏族和维吾尔人之间的战争，就像分裂南斯拉夫一样），最终目的是分裂中国，拖垮经济，让世界回到西方生产高科技产品，以换取中国等欠发达国家大量低端制造产品的时代。这样，西方人的工作将非常容易，而中国和其他发展中国家只能大量生产低端产品，这需要大量劳动力和污染。发展中国家的人付出的劳动比西方国家的人多倍，这被称为经济殖民。
She said ''don't attack my knowledge''... then why would u attend this debate....
And she is attacking the Chinese professor without evidences
Impossible to talk, a group of theoretical ideologists without any practionarie experience, without any approach to reality, trying to dequalify Zhang Weiwei who is making a conceptual interpretation of a political system run by scientifics and engineers who implement an objective scientific and technological approach to solve problems of society. They should better review Samuel Huntington and Francis Fukuyama conclusions on Democracy Decay.
It would be wrong to classify the communist party as being run by scientifics and engineers. Look at their current response to covid, it is an absolute disaster now. The problem here is lack of diversity of thought and groupthink. Democracy entertains a lot of bad ideas, but authoritarian regimes fail to see many good ideas.
"Dont attack me about my knowledge!" No, that is not attacking, just telling you the truth, telling you why you are wrong!
That lady made a utter fool of herself. It shows her superiority complex!
the women is poor knowledge,she havn't been to China,she attack China by the bad news in the network.
His prediction comes true.
That is magic but also in expectation. US political system is a dead end. No one can save it because each side won't let the other succeed base on their own interest....
@Grand Budapest do you have any idea who is the real leader? don't tell me it is your president.
You meant the J Trump become the president?
Haha
Even if Trump is a failure of Western political system, but don't forget Communist system has created much more n worse rulers in different communist countries that caused millions of people's death. Western political system is not perfect, but it's better than communism that carries out dictatorship under the propaganda of serving the people.
Clearly, everyone was attacking that Chinese speaker at the end of this clip. Where is the freedom of speech? Why were they so afraid of the alternative opinions?
They are giving their opinion respectfully, that is not attacking.
@@chenguefer156
Hi, you replied, "They are giving their opinion respectfully, that is not attacking.", well, I disagree, because:
1) Would 5 people speaking against 1 not be considered attacking to you?
~ At 9:40, a man who talked with his hands gesturing in front of his own face claimed that, "YOU are saying how good you are. WE are saying that you are not very good."
2) From 7:26 to 8:08, Mr. Zhang was unexpectedly and aggressively interrupted. I don't know about you, but I consider it to be a disrespectful behavior.
2) At 9:35, after the only female speaker finished stating her opinions about Muslims, Mr. Zhang was ready to respond, but again, he was interrupted. I would say it was quite disrespectful!
3) At 13:13, the female speaker sarcastically interrupted Mr. Zhang by having said, "Who does to speak of China anyway (laughing...)", and Mr. Zhang replied, "(Who?) You know too little of China...". She immediately interrupted Mr. Zhang, "Don't ATTACKED me about my knowledge, because that's not the right way to talk about it."
~ Well, if she acknowledges the disagreement(s) as attacking, then she would admit that all the 5 speakers, including her, have been attacking Mr. Zhang during this 13:42min of clip, wouldn't she😉
@@hs2336 No, I think that chinesse people are not used to debating, because they have one party, one ideology, one government for ever, and those ones who dare to give a divergent opinion are condemned. Debating is for replublican democracy, not for dictatorships.
@@chenguefer156
So, are you trying to justify the rude behaviors of those 5 speakers by saying it was normal and it was the Chinese people's fault to think otherwise due to their lack of debating experiences?! How arrogant!!!
Anyway, your comment reminded me of the typical prejudice people have against China.
Because in China, people do debate in various forms, including but not limited to the fields of entertainment, academics, and politics.
1）Entertainment debate
1-a）One of the famous debating shows in China:
ruclips.net/video/b0eBd7mYviI/видео.html
1-b）Another very famous debating show that was hosted by CCTV in China. Below is its link to the finals (Round 8):
ruclips.net/video/oqlBd7ZawQs/видео.html
2) Academic debate
One of the famous examples is the Chinese Debate World Cup:
("Harvard & Yale" VS "Renmin University of China")
ruclips.net/video/bKeN6yB-U-c/видео.html
3) Professional debate
One of the Journalism Debates (finals). The participants are moderators and news anchors:
ruclips.net/video/Zp982WJSVGs/видео.html
4) Political debate
4-a) One of the elections from one of the poorest villages in China 42 years ago (in 1980):
ruclips.net/video/72Xc4h3tpIE/видео.html
4-b) One of the press conferences, after the 13th National Committee of CPPCC (Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference) meeting in 2018, such as this one:
ruclips.net/video/tzm4AswnRvo/видео.html
@@chenguefer156 My advice, read more African American history before you rush into this conclusion. It would be easier for you to understand the difficulty of debating with unequal power.
Is that why China can become an ancient civilization while other countries are only a flash in the pan in history
It is meaningless to have this arguments with people who have had their mind set and stopped listening any other voices.
The long hair guy is pretty ignorent on history.
I love how only the chinese guy are the most modest and less agressive.
He is surrounding by wolf critizing him and public laughing at him.
Wonderful, to defeat one chinese you must bring 6-7 experts lol
Yes, their hubris did triumph
huh? just this segment at 11:57 that chinese guy was the most insufferable, arrogant person on that table, and doesnt represent chinese culture one tiny bit
The later you watch it, the more ironic and hilarious you get from this video.
So true
@@se88 Just showed that they learnt sht for their whole life lol
The French talking about human rights while continuing to abuse their former colonies
Your statement about getting more ironic and hilarious with age is so true. Now in July 2022, I enjoyed it even more.
It's amazing that those westerners spoke poorer English than this Chinese gentleman and pretended they knew China better than this Chinese guy.
Chinese guy speaks English better n l bet none can speak his!! There is the answer..they full of themselves.dont justif y china's system is China,theirs isn't that good ,look at USA,black n white,drugs,jobless n homeless,filthy roads n crimes etc.....
They are falling on pieces the West n yet have the audacity to talk China down.professor maybe too western friendly n getting attack by yr so called friends.
The forum is a disaster: no one listens to others
Allen Long yeah. But at least they were talking to each other. Communication is the start of problem solving :)
buncha highly paid old farts stuck in their own ways
If our western democracy does not allow other countries to choose their own way of government, what kind of democracy are we?
Finally goood comment
So it's six against one?
Ha ha ha ha! You see? You're smart!
just one word、go to china and see in your eyes and talking with local chinese、then you just know weiwei
says.
you are right
like on opium wars
Believe me Zhan weiwei don't have the ability As the Bulgarian man said “ External promotion tools“
China: May I... Rest: You lie.
they just say、you mistake、 that is all
You must be Indian.
China's system = capitalist socialism,
USA's system = socialist capitalism.
China is obsessed in finding good leaders to run & maintain system.
USA is obsessed in changing leaders to run & maintain system.
A very unique observation may reflect the reality indeed!
The US is nothing close to socialism
@@apei281 lol taxes
建议你去了解什么是中资本主义和社会主义。中国不是capitalist socialism这么简单。
China is actually existing socialism
Now his prediction are totally correct...
Western produces worse leader than George W Bush..... Trump to be exact.. 🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍
if democracy is so good, then Americans should like Trump, actually, 50% likes him, the other 50% hates him very much. In a divided society, democracy further amplifies conflicts instead of united the socity. US, no hope.
@@ybi2610 that's true. I agree your statement that democracy is actually amplifiying conflict.
Don't forget the natural character of western is Individualistic.
@@edywidjaya301 that why I think it can only be worse. No self-correction at all.
Yeah and yet that bad leader was replaced through election. We had to deal with Trump only 4 years .Now China has a piece of shit dictator and when is he stepping down???? Yeah exactly, when he dies from old age.
China's system could not be adopted by other countries because it is unique, developed by, suited and applicable to China only.
Seo Kok Ing total nonsense. The mainland Chinese should follow the example of Taiwan.
Reality Check if you understand Chinese and you go watch Taiwan political related speech and videos you can see it is a mess.
China is willing to share the system if other countries would like to learn. However, China will not push the system to the world as the western did.
@@TesterBoy 如果台湾真的那么好，现在14亿人应该都很想被台湾反攻吧。
I'm a Chinese graduate who learns and admires Western languages and cultures. I have no bias against the West and no passion for defending my country, but let me assure you that ethnic minorities are not oppressed in the country. I have Tibetan friends who love hiphop and dance with us; I have classmates from Xinjiang with good academic achievements in our university, one in central Hubei province; and I also have a gay friend from Xinjiang who came out early... PLEASE don't believe these arrogant westerners and their media! Come to China, we are nice and you will have a different and truer view of the world.
I believe you. Have you seen western media portrayal on china? Not one positive news about China here. You have to actively do a search online to find positive news about China.
@@streetpotato5574 That is because all we western media belongs to white people,which are mostly english speaking country. Usa is the boss of all of them and envy about china fast development.Thats why the chinese censored the internet because of western media biased new and double standard hypocrties. Btw minorities ethnic were treated with priviliged and it is not like what the western medis have promoted. You can google "affirmative action in china " and you see all the policy for minorities.
bbqbats Look at RUclips itself. It actively removed posts, likes and subscribers from those content creators that are defending China.
R z I m one of them. Talk to me !!!
Trust me. They won't go.
Come to China, you will know the truth, and know you are wrong!
Looking at the chaos of USA today, Weiwei Zhang's prediction is so correct!
Trump worse than Bush.
Trump and bush did not practice democracy. You are pointing out mere failures of the actual system as it is in the past decades. Communism claims certain features for everyone in a fair and balanced societal model, and yet the results we all saw through decades are clear. Venezuela, Cuba, Rússia, vietnam and many other European places that shared its practice in the past. How are they still today? Right what is in common now, you may say? People have to separate things apart. Sometimes, we are loving years whose results are not caused by actual government. Essentially, countries experience certain “hangovers” that result from better years ... phases
@@laksiwmthdb9947 Name one Communist country hasn’t experienced US based coup or at least attempt coup
@@weizhouchen1267 that has nothing to do with nothing. Name one communist country that met progress and evolution
@@laksiwmthdb9947 Nothing to do? Lmfao Dude,what is coup for? Tea party with flowers and butterflies?
"We've forgotten what the real advantages of democarcy are, the real advantages of democarcy are simply rights but that when people are disappointed you are giving them a mechanism through which they can react. Democracy is not famous for doing the right things but democracy is famous for changing the goverments that people dont like without violence." - a speakers says and a very sensible argument.
The other speakers then immediately thereafter go on to lecture and bombard the Chinese advocate, to the point of pointing fingers and shouting without giving him a chance to respond, whilst another scolds him for attacking her knowledge. This is the democracy that is being advocated - Shut up and do what I say, I know better what is good for you than you do!
It then seems clear to me: It is not the ideology that is the problem, be it democracy, communism, capitalism or socialism.
The problem is us, as people.
Thank you bro. It's so TRUE that ideology it not the real problem.
you are right，six attacks one，this is democarcy？
you are going straight to the heart of the matter
Confucious said if the government do the wrong thing, be disobedient. Change the leaders so what is the different. The different is not about Changing govt because both can do that but the Chinese meritocracy ensure qualified leaders to lead.
Changing the govt in democracies doesn’t make any difference you still have the same system. You can’t change the system by voting and if you try the US has the Patriot Act to stop it. This act violates the constitution in 6 important points and was voted upon unanimously by both Democrat and Republican parties, so let’s not pretend you have a choice. Mark Twain said “ if voting made any difference they wouldn’t let us do it “
Westerner: So, would you consider exporting your model to the world?
China: No, that's your thing man... you westerners export your brilliant ideas to the world on the basis that they are superior, we have seen how great that's been so far for Africa.
3:00..Asking high salary & No pollution for a developing country built from ruin just 60 just years ago. What is the point ???? Nonsense!
Because he thinks that the clean air in the Europe is heaven and the air pollution in China is evil . However it has never mention that the pollution is because China is producing items for their world to enjoy .
Sweden girl: how dare you! She needs attack US, EU, AUS, and leaving developing countries alone.
Great conversation. China is far smarter. That Chinese man was also far braver to face them alone.
Karo R he was a lackey of the CCP spouting lies!
@@TesterBoy yeah and the rest of them are examples of virtues. Wake up man.
My god did his predictions come true!
Thanks to all of you in the comments section, China has been so misunderstood by the media. Too much prejudice and discrimination is spread from the media to ordinary people. Hope the world can be kind to China, at least try to understand China.
The question above, "Is China an alternative to Western democracy?" is out of balance because it pits a nation against a political system. It should be "Is the PRC an alternative to the US?" Another balanced question is "Is a Socialist nation with political characteristics like that of the PRC an alternative to Capitalism with the political characteristics of the U.S. political system?" because it compares two economic and political systems. There we have two questions that can intelligently be discussed.
He's debating 6 people at the same time in a second language and still winning 😂
LOL
dont attack my knowledge ,,,,,,,,......lol
Oh, what a democracy!!
It's amusing to watch the video after almost 4 years. Some of the theories are already self-proved wrong in the past 4 years. A lot of western scholars lock themselves in an imaginary ivory tower and get submerged in their West supremacy view. I find some of the western scholars grossly biased that they did zero research on China when accusing what the government is doing. On the other side, Chinese people have been learning English and getting exposed to the western culture generation by generation. In that aspect, the Chinese scholar is far more globally informed than some of his peers that seat here. How brazen and ridiculous that they are lecturing others upon something they have no first-hand experience of at all.
"The problem with these people is their arrogance, now if they were as intelligent as I am, they might ... "
How many parties China has? Could I moved to China and bought a radio and say what I think respectfully? Come on, China is a joke.
Zhang Weiwei is ever so clever. He predicted the next American President will be even worse than George W Bush
Prof Zhang Weiwei: The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao. The name that can be named is not the eternal name....
The Westerners: 'Yabba Dabba Doo!
张维为教授心想：以你们这个智商我真的很难交流。
没有公理心的人、与之对话、只能生气😤
确实，好高傲哦，顿时对西方毫无感觉
this clip was published 2 years ago. Two years later, which is late Apr 2020, Covid-19 has been swiping thru the globe in the recent 4-5months. The fact tells which system works better. In modern China, we believe the starting point is people. For USA, the focus was economy. But we can surely tell that while China sacrifice a short term 2-months suffer, things are gradually restoring. while the west are still suffering from lockdown.
One more thing! China and the west are all exporting their political systems. The west uses push mode while China exports only under pull mode. Pls do not mix Chinese gentle mode up with any brutle method.
I have never imagined a scholar would think she knows everything and can judge a whole country upon her knowledge nowadays. Look at their eyes, all despised and disgusted. I believe that is definitely not the way to go about.
Weiwei is actually bold enough to use Confucius’ analogy of the boat being the government and the water being the people, where the boat needs the support of the water and the water can overturn the boat, to describe the Chinese system in comparison to democracy. Beating all of them around the bush. The irony would be funny if it wasn’t about such a serious subject.
Millions died under Maos Revolution, and the boat keep on surface...
@@pauloferreira7543 the Millions of death were caused by decades of USA sanctions, where mao had to resort to agricultural reforms, which failed. USA got blood on their hands not Mao, because he tried to save a nation.
@@wesseldejonge4789 Do really believe USA were the same as Mao regime?
@@pauloferreira7543 yes us is worse
@@vaibhavsajith4267 So Why US is the main emmigration destiny in the world and china not even in the first 10th appear?
This French Guy is offended lmao!
That french guy is very old in thought, and is rigged in his ways, where the Chinese guy is far more flexible!
Accusing the Chinese about Uyghurs right, and he replied he has been to Bangladesh and Burma?! Forgetting that the French , throughout most of their civilization, had been a colonists worldwide, slaved the natives and depleted their natural resources. In simple word, a narcissistic pirate.
Fk the French strike culture
He used the "I have one black friend" tactics to say he is not biased lol. He begins by, I love china, I always was interesting in China, BUTTTTT....
winterwolf1 when the chinese professor tlak about the french,he the french guy just be blind.
看完之后发现了一个问题，没有人敢讨论现在的民主本质出现了什么问题。作为初衷，民主是打破封建思想的重要工具，目的是为了解放社会的生产力，当然科技是其中的一个促进手段，但是我在这里面讨论并没有发现启蒙的初衷。张的发言使的法国人像放下现实去讨论一些空虚的民主，而不是实质的民主
法国人不就是喜欢空想主义吗？hhh
@@dannyliu1126 现在还记得傅立叶和欧文的空想社会主义😂😂
空想社会主义不也是法国人搞的？
一群真空球形鸭在给一条鲸鱼论述潜水的方法论
西方民主是宗教，信西方民主就是好的，不信西方民主就是独裁。
張老師bravo 👏👏👏
the western ignorance and arrogance are appalling.
Joe Carroll And vice versa too
I was extremely surprised by truth and fact investigation level of western scholar, esp. when Mr Rob Riemen was talking about "credit system" in China, it is a poor rumor that could be easily clarified by a phone call to any western people lived in China.
There is a huge problem with video editing as well. The Nexus Institute clearly stands against Zhang Wei Wei.
The better question should be is Democracy perfect? If not why only Democracy?
Nexus Conference reminds me when CHINA
was atttacked by the western powers including Russia and Japan. Apart from that, if
CHINA refused to be dominated by them, history tells us the 'GREAT' Britain government introduced opium and ruled HongKong until 1997. Since your issues here are all about human rights, freedom and values, it's better for me to make a long discussions short, I would like to begin with defining Ideology as a belief only just as we consider religion is subject to one beliefs. As we all know, the lone chinese presence in your group is already domineering, if not humiliating to that person but that's not the point that I am driving at, my question is : why CHINA has adopted Communism instead of Demoracy? The reasons was that China want to be left alone and be free and independent from western influence and domination, right? In other words, they are what you made them to be because of your policy or theory during that time 'to divide and conquer' as what you have done in Africa and in the Middle East. The current map of the two continents(Asian and African continents) is my evidence. If the west defined Communism as dictatorial, then there's no difference between the western democracy which is now domineering the world. In short, domineering is just another word for dictatorial, isn't it?
Democracy is defined as a government by the people, usually through elected representatives. There's no mentioned that multiparty is a requisites before it can be considered as a democratic system of government. It's democratic as long as it is not a government by a privileged upper class or considered as superior. In short, democracy is social equality as opposed to aristocracy.
@@opiniononly8259 adding to this: china has 9 political parties working together. Secoundly chinese system is designed to bring change bottom up. Its more democratic on paper on practice there is corruption but their success is evidence of democracy.
On the other hand the path to communism is through democracy.
@@opiniononly8259 unfortunately there is elite that always control mass people
As a chinese, I think at 9:40 the guy brought out really valuable points on both sides. His insights on democracy is precious. Thus I do wish the question he asked about china get answered by my government.
The french and the girl brought shame to the "western ideology" side on this table by using child way of express their feeling.
Maybe you can respect culture, but you don't know how to respect human being with different ideologies. Or , you only consider ppl believe wt u believe human beings? Ya Im talking to u Bernard Levy
he is from bulgaria, a country that has gone thru a lot, i value his opinion the most
hey, that's just how the french speak. I am more ashamed (as a human) about the go-to response that every Chinese person in the public sphere has to resort to (if they care about their own and their families' lives that is) when addressing what's going on in Xinjiang. "Have you been to XJ?", "Have you seen the rapidly rising living standards?"... They know damn well what they're doing, and we understand perfectly well why he, or any other godfearing (or rather Party-fearing) Chinese public person will never discuss it honestly. It's just so rotten.
Good of him to show up to discuss the other stuff though
haha, what I said isn't valid anymore. with everything happening afterward. @@TheBikagyura
Yeah.. didn't notice this was 3 yrs old already
We have Trump now thank you for the prediction
哈哈哈，今天的西方再来看看这个视频会是什么感受？“中国之春”我没见到，倒是“美国之春”真是“美丽的风景线”
Dude, you should make this comment 6 months later. It is even more ironic.
@@jjack2684 现在依然是这样
How many these Western scholar has been to China?
Most properly None, they only see what is in there own backyard!!!! Narrow minded!
Should be none. if they do, they won't be able to debate with their illusions anymore
Very well said! Weiwei Zhang👍
This French guy does not know the true situation of Muslim in China. He needs to find some way to see that deeply and then eligible to make comment.
And YOU DO KNOW the "true situation" of Muslims in China? Says who?
John Dalrymple any speech from the outside is not the best way to view the situation. Go to China look more closely by your own eyes, is a much better way. Weiwei is right, the western lack most part of basic knowledge to understand what is China.
@@jkdalrymple Reacting to the statement, Belarus Ambassador Valentin Rybakov addressed the committee on behalf of 54 countries, including Pakistan, Russia, Serbia, Egypt, Bolivia and the Democratic Republic of Congo. Rybakov defended China's actions in Xinjiang as what effective anti-terror and deradicalization methods.
"Now safety and security have returned to Xinjiang and fundamental human rights of people of all ethnic groups there
are safeguarded," Rybakov said. "We commend China's remarkable achievements in the field of human rights. www.dw.com/en/un-members-divided-over-chinas-treatment-of-uighur-minority/a-51046710
@@raymondlam8071 Maybe it escaped your attention, but no one is allowed to visit Xinjiang. IF the Chinese had nothing to hide, they wouldn't be so "protective" of their concentration camps. Maybe you also missed how all of the HK booksellers selling books deemed "distasteful" to Beijing suddenly disappeared - no public arrests or charges - only to mysteriously turn up months later in jail - without trial? Maybe you haven't heard about the persecution of the Falun Gong? Maybe you missed China banning Disney for more than a decade for making a film "glorifying" the Dalai Lama? Maybe you missed the CCP's disregard for their commitment to the people of Hong Kong? Perhaps you missed - just recently - the Chinese government halting Ant Group's $34 billion IPO - the largest ever - because Jack Ma said some things that offended Xi Jinping? And maybe you missed - just Monday of this week - the sham trial and conviction of Zhang Zhan for her reporting (as in reporting the truth - rather than the CCP dishonest narrative? No journalists or foreign observers were allowed at her trial. The charge? "Picking quarrels and provoking trouble"! 4 years in prison. Until about 40 years ago, more than 90% of China's people lived in not just poverty - but ABJECT poverty. And much of what they've gained since has come at the expense of the middle classes of the U.S. and other countries via rampant pollution of the planet, unfair trade practices and outright theft. To my way of thinking, they have a long way to go to earn a seat at the table of man. You are a fool if you believe virtually anything the CCP promulgates. If you admire it so much, feel free to go live there. Oh wait! Unless you're an ethnic Chinese - you can NEVER become a Chinese citizen. And if you are not a Chinese citizen you can't even purchase an automobile there (or own property).
@@jkdalrymple Signing the second letter, in defense of China’s policies, were: Algeria, Angola, Bahrain, Belarus, Bolivia, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Comoros, Congo, Cuba, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Egypt, Eritrea, Gabon, Kuwait, Laos, Myanmar, Nigeria, North Korea, Oman, Pakistan, Philippines, Qatar, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, South Sudan, Sudan, Syria, Tajikistan, Togo, Turkmenistan, United Arab Emirates, Venezuela, and Zimbabwe.
Immediately noticeable is the geographic divergence between each list. The first is dominated by Western states, mostly in Europe, and the second stuffed with African and Middle Eastern nations. Importantly, the first letter does not include a single signature from a Muslim-majority state while the second features many, including Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. thediplomat.com/2019/07/which-countries-are-for-or-against-chinas-xinjiang-policies/
"Don't attack me about my knowledge."wow, you wish, how can you get attacked for something you don't have.
As a point that raised by admired French researcher, as he said one of greatness man would do the opposite of what the main stream do. I’m wondering isn’t China is doing it now? China didn’t follow the “Democratic system” that been promoted to most of country and create a system themselves and it worked. Wouldn’t be one of greatness? I know nothing is perfect but it still it pointed that no only democracy works
I lived in NY for the longest time and as a Brooklynite I have learned to voice my words and my words only and shut every other opinion closer to the truth or which sounds better than mine. Democracy at it's finest. From WAYYY DOWNTOWN.
notice how at 13:12, the lady tries to mock china by stating that Chinese people are too afraid to speak up against their government. she somehow thinks that she made brilliant observation, and even starts laughing. she then looks at the other `intellectuals´ but quickly realizes that nobody´s reacting to her ´joke´. Cringe in its purest form.
Zhang Weiwei did very well, considering he was up against 6 people. It´s very noticeable that he is arguing on a higher than level than, say, Bernard Henri-Levy. The french guy was insufferable, he is drunk on liberal ideology. He acted the same way when he debated Dugin
Observed as well. What a clown this woman is.
SOB French-Algerian Jew, Bernard-Henri Levy, was so full of himself, kept spinning his fake knowledge about the plight of Uyghurs by telling Zhang rudely, "mind your own business" when Levy was pressed whether or not he had been to Xinjiang. So fake and totally unprofessional.
‘Let ME finish’, uttered Levy.
@@qindu4120 When pressed by Zhang whether or not he had ever been to Xinjiang, Levy answered he went to Burma (Myanmar)! Myanmar is not even close enough to Xinjiang! This guy is called an expert. What a joke?
I watched the full version of this 100 minute video twice. The same feeling from the twice experience is the full of Western arrogant. another much stronger feeling comes from the experience after 2020,the COVID19 pandemic. In 2021, Looking back at this conference, I really hope these so-called scholars or experts have the courage and honor ,forcibly and rudely or not ,to advocate their so-called political system and the so-called freedom that people don't even have the freedom to live. At last, I just want to say, it's very nice to hear your voices, especially this kind of voice. hope you can continue thinking as the same old way. we sincerely wish all of you good luck!
they care about human rights.
in 2020 they hijacked all the top shelf vaccines, dementia kicks in they they'd suddenly forgotten about Africa and those developing countries that those countries need vaccine too.
Look forward to a debate about Vaccine-Right in 2022 round table.
Why do Chinese love to use the term "so-called" so much? Every Chinese person defending their political systems loves that term. It's cringy.
explanation from Cambridge dictionary,that's used to describe someone or something is not suitable or not correct.
if westerners DONOT know us at all,then you'd better not to judge us,especially from the God's eyes.
@@evanhsu531 You're not Chinese
@@sizanllakcuf what a joke.
China, alone in a lion den. That lady, who said "don't lecture me about my knowledge about China", indeed, I wouldn't bother. I would rather lecture her on how much she knows about the non-western world. Very little indeed. What a shame about this discussion, a complete waste of time.
China's CCP is not an alternative to any foreign government. China does not seek to change other countries' political systems neither should foreigners seek to change China's. There's NO such thing as perfect flawless political system on earth. However, all sorts of systems of governments should be able to mutually respect, live, coexist and do business together in a peaceful, harmonious way.
Amazing and accurate forecast
The lady in the video was originally a media communications consultant in the World Bank's Middle East and North Africa Department, with an annual salary of $133.66 million. Seconded to the US State Department on September 19, 2005. Prior to the secondment, she was promoted to managerial position without competition and received a salary increase of up to US$20,000 as required, but actually received a salary increase of US$47.34 million. After entering the State Council, she received a salary increase of $13,500, an annual increase of 7.5%. So far, Liza's annual salary has reached 193.59 million US dollars, which is at least 7000 US dollars higher than the annual salary of Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. The former president of the World Bank offered his girlfriend a promotion and salary increase, so he resigned.
they are not here to agree or disagree, they are here to interrogate with their preconceived notions
Full of wisdom, prof Zhang
It's very arrogant to say that china isn't democratic just because it's not the kind of democracy that you are used to. Democracy is a very old concept, formalized and given it's name by the greeks, and all it meant was rule by the people, the demos. Democracy isn't just when people vote. In order for a government to be meaningfully democratic, it must have the support of it's people and large majority of it's people, otherwise it's failing and could hardly be called democratic. A.k.a., the US and many other western countries that are very divided. China on the other hand, has immense popular support, that definitely isn't fake by any stretch. The Chinese government has it's dissidents as all governments inevitably will, but it's no where near the level that western countries get to.
People don’t have to know about the real China 🇨🇳!! They can continue to stay in blind faith!😄
What I don't like is that nexus institute cut the clip. And did not let The Chinese professor speak and defend.
These western so called experts know too little about China. Really. They think, it's authoritian ,done story. While it's really not like that.
There is probably no "real" democracy, but tyranny can get pretty real on a personal level..quiet dying of the soul. This is one brave Chinese guy to stand in front of the truth like that.
Can’t agree more🙌
The arrogance of the French people comes at a price! Like the Second World War, the oath is the most powerful France, the result of the surrender of the fastest or France, this is a joke! Hahaha
There's no way every country can survive with one system. You need your system suited to your people & then twik it along the way to people's likes
People are the basis of any country. Treat them good!
Totally agree
If totalitarianism is suited so well to Chinese people then why does Taiwan do so much better than China in all metrics?
Scary Bird you have been misled by the western media. Taiwanese by no means doing better China. Decades ago? Yes. Now? No.
@@scarybird977 That's just history now. Taiwan used to be good because the United States wanted it to restrict China, so it gave a lot of support in many areas: economy, technology, military, etc. But most of the time, mainland China is blocked by the West on most things. Therefore, mainland China has developed better than supported Taiwan under the blockade. Can this fact tell you something?
The culture and values of China and Western countries are different. Which social system could attribute to the self-satisfaction and glamorous livelihood of citizens, the social system would be better. In China, a UK survey demonstrated that over 93% citizens support the government and enjoy their daily lives, the social system is therefore proved to be successful.
It’s so funny to rewatch today. His prediction was so accurate. Lol
China policy is on right track - alleviation of poverty, protecting environment. Result in few years time tell better picture than debate words. Like many country, all has mistakes. China had it too but learnt from it and get it right.
Professor Zhang was thrown questions after questions (mostly were obviously rumors picked from social media) but he was not given time to express his ideas. Look at how these western intellects trying to impose their idealism onto others as they thought they were superior. This video was taken in 2017. Looking back now in 2021 after how all their countries behaved miserably and failed in their lousy governance in 2020 pandemic (even worse than many South East Asian developing countries), you can basically conclude who are just good in talking and who are better in action. I wonder if these so-called scholars will still have any dignity to repeat what they said today. Millions of Chinese and Asians study about the west, mastering their languages, history, social behaviour and political systems. While the arrogance of the west stop them from learning anything from the East.
Decent pay, no pollution are economical issues . Not political problem. India is democratic country. The people situation is worse than Chinese
The Western way of telling less developed countries about democracy is more like a rich ass person telling a homeless guy about life quality, healthy diet, and appreciation to fine arts, while food and a god damn shelter is really what the homeless people are thinking about! Democracy is never a bad thing. But is it the panacea for poverty and starvation? No, because it is so hard to get everybody on the common ground, especially when somebody needs to lose their interests for the general goal. At least when everyone is well educated and based on some extend of secured life, we then talk about democracy.
A lion surrounded by 6 hyenas. Wow what a man. 🫡
even they cannot speak Chinese, they told us they know China better. This is the real arrogance and prejudice
😂😂😂 … these people have no knowledge of China and talk about how bad China is. Her butt hurt when he said, you have no knowledge.
Why my comments on Hong Kong thugs just deleted the truth hurts?
What human rights is this what democracy is this? What free speech is this?
Free speech exists only on paper
Cheny Chen What’s in the paper ,BS. And lies?
Cheny Chen Not every thing on paper is the truth westerners and Chinese are deceived by hate and lies.thinking one piece of paper or the lot of paper is the truth. A person can wri a book tat can be lies.
西方只有政治正确，没言论自由。
Chinese value responsible speech over free speech. Free speech allows people say what even if they are unqualified to comment. This spread hate.
11:35 "Your leadership has not understood how really a great power has to work." Bro, China has been a great power since times when europeans were playing tribe-tribe.
When developed countries send their recycling overseas and garbage.
It’s a joke to regard this as a debate or a discussion. It’s a trial by a bunch of judges with their minds made up. It’s a trap for the professor from China, i.e. the presumed guilty defendant.
The professor is sincere and knowledgeable but he is a poor debater, particularly in this curiously lopsided setup, in other words, a trap. He doesn’t think on his feet fast enough to counter the aggressive attacks from multiple angles. His command of the English language, while excellent as a scholar, is not sufficiently fluent and fluid to command his presence and be persuasive.
Next time, team China should send in Eric Li. I watched a program quite similar to this that Li participated in; in fact it might have been the same forum (trap). He was absolutely brilliant and masterful. He has quick wits and handled 6 or 7 opponents with ease.
In any event, it’s a waste of time and effort to try to convince people who believe with irrational convictions or blind faith that there is only one way to skin a cat, i.e. western democracy is the ONLY acceptable form of governance, that every other form is inferior, flawed, phony and to be abhorred if not destroyed. They don’t come with open minds; they are only there to win an argument and thus reinforce their superiority.
The bottom line is: China should not be troubled by these verbal attacks from the west. They are just noises. It does not need to explain itself to people who have no intention to listen. It should stay true to its aspirations, the well-being of its people and being a helpful partner to fellow developing countries. It does not need to proselytize its form of governance or development model to others. Share the experience only if sincerely asked. Talk is cheap anyway. It’s more important to show with deed.
Western politics: I feel like doing that so I did it and I believe in what I cannot confirm and just accept them as facts, so you can't attack me for my knowledge
No wonder they're failing -_-
A group of ducks are lecturing a fish how to swim in the water. x 2