Update version 1.2: The right Powerful perk is no longer a viable option. In all cases you should pick the middle Powerful perk on your damage hero! Other: Sorry for the long video, I ended up recording while sick to make this happen on a better timeline. Thank you for your patience!
Really great video and I like how in depth you go in it. There is maybe one way to have Grukli handle massive amounts of bleeds of himself that is over his max hp. There is a bleed perk that changes so bleed damage is applied at the end of the turn like poison. However I don't know if fury applies the bleed first and then the bleed tick comes or not in this case. Will need to test thus out myself.
I have now tested this out, the Bleed from the fury applies after the tick of bleed damage would apply if you take the perk that makes bleed tick at end of turn. So you are basically immune to bleeds from fury with this since he can be dispelled by another character after his turn, or even dispel himself during his turn.
I appreciate your work! AtO seems like it was engineered to appeal to me specifically, so it's a relief to see you be deep into it and your insights are so helpful. Even as a veteran of deckbuilding roguelites I still learn a ton from each video. Don't be hard on yourself, you're doing great! Where I'd like to see you go next: spotlight specific team comps a bit more, and all in one place - you've given us all the building blocks we need to build our own teams, and I like how you discuss comps at the end of each hero vid, but I'm always looking for new "meta" builds to try and have a hard time finding out what the meta even is, and I learn so much from examples beyond what I can learn from explanations. Thanks for doing these AtO videos!
Thank you so much! I think a shortish form of specific Team Comps is a good next step. I'm still fleshing out the details, but some way of discussing a team archetype as a whole and what the key pieces of it are. I'm trying to find that balance of individual teams (there are 1000+ combos) VS being too vague. Do you think "On-hit Burn" and "Self-chill" are the right scope you are looking for? If I just covered every damage type as a whole that's still 9 different guides/vidoes.
Thank you so much! Tank Andrin relies on speed, deflects, and dodge for self survival; and Ballad of Evasion for team survival. It's been nerfed a bit from it's original form, and some of the act 4 monsters punish dodge. It's still quite powerful and requires a little finesse. I hope to make a guide for it soon.
I need to go back and find a good Shadow build for Zek. I think as my first guide I pushed too hard into Dark; plus there has been some changes to Shadow.
@@deckertech-aaron I dabbled with Bree, Evelyn, Zek, Nezglekt. Pumping power and vuln in Bree. Assisting vuln, insanity healing, and dark assisting on Nez. Energy battery, and frost aoe / frost burst (with the card upgrade so it's single target but multiple use) on Evelyn. Then Dark pump, light frost aoe, and the frost burst upgraded on Zek. With Zek and Nez taking the racials to help with adding chill. I love frost / dark aesthetic, but it's not super strong. The ice stacks slow but it's nothing compared to burn stacks or even poison stacks and especially not bleed.
When you were talking about dispelling bleed you never mentioned my favourite one! The vitality perk, 'when this hero receives vitality, dispel bleed' Super easy to pull off with any healer, Gustav, Bree, fishing rods, or Chompy. Very reliable and definitely worth the 4 perk points imho!
Idk if this is relevant a year later with patches and all but if you take the perk where bleeds aren't applied until end of the turn, you can dispel his fury bleed a number of ways. Blue or purple blood for blood (not ideal for this build) Burning blood is the best. Turns your blood to fire and makes fury.
Yeah, that's definitely a fun way to build his deck. It existed at the time too, and I briefly mention it in my Bless Combo video I think. I felt like it was a little more risky and complicated than this version, but I may have been wrong. If I end up making another Grukli dps vid it will likely be the very consistent 2nd turn max fury version. Especially since you don't have to rely on anyone else to set yup up, which is more appropriate foe multiplayer.
The 1% fury with no bleed becomes much more viable at high Madness (IV or V+), where Grukli (with other perks) will kill themselves much faster due to enemies living longer with higher hp, resistances and dealing more damage. He ends up dealing twice his max Hp as bleed damage (seen 1000+ damage due to bleed quite often with your recommended perk) and still not be able to one hit enemies, which puts a lot of stress on the other characters to have to cure him every round or he dies. It also negates the need for Mozzy or any other cards and he can soley concentrate on stacking Fury and hitting as many times in a round. He also scales very well with Vitality (Invigorating blow and Demolishing blow) Fury + DB can give it a base damage of 300/400+ which is then modified by Fury as well as making him very survivable with the high max hp, Vit acts as a soft heal as you keep any hp up to your Max at end of round.
I’m so confused. I try this exact thing and just get shitstomped repeatedly. And I’m on madness 11. I’m not entirely sure what I’m doing wrong but I’m not coming close to killing as fast as you. My turn 1 of the first combat doesn’t even kill all 3 corns
Vulnerable, Sharp, Inspire, Powerful. Those are the key components to my Act 1 example in this video. Speed was a big deal as well, making sure my team acts in the correct order and before the enemies. Any advice beyond that would take me seeing more of what is going on in your run. Oh, and the correct perks help a lot, that's a place to check.
What about the Bloodguard to deal with his bleed? Great content man. If you're looking for additional video ideas, how about boss strategy videos? I've not beat the game yet but even though there are several bosses that I've beaten, I wouldn't say I have good strategy for many of them yet. Just recently got through the twins and am hoping to make my first win with that run, thanks to your vids for deckbuilding advice!
I don't know if it was bugged or not but Malukah didn't have him join my party, just gave a reward. I only got him to join with the fish, I believe you can use Thuls to guarantee the fish.
Seems legit to me, maybe a little slow with poor luck on items. Otherwise you have all the bases covered with all the best heroes. Yogger is ez mode atm; sharp is easiest team too. So, easiest team, absolutely; very easy recommendation. Best? That just depends on what you enjoy playing the most.
@@deckertech-aaron When you build Gus and Nez to support Grukli, I have to take out all sight synergy, right? Because Grukli does not benefit from sight. So instead of vigilance/clairvoyance/mind visions what should I put in?
You still need vigilance to guarantee Gustav draws, check out the andrin guide for decklists. You can still be running clairvoyance on nez to trigger his spell talent. It's also great healing for him. Otherwise just lean heavier into inspire and bless.
@@deckertech-aaron Thanks. I found Gus decklist, yes. For Nez, is there somewhere in your guides decklist with Scrys to synergize with Grukli? Or I can simply add in scrys for healer nezglect list? Atm it seems that trying high madness with grukli rank 1 is impossible I have to lvl him up to 50. Regarding pets and gold usage - if I run Grukli, Nez, Gus, Yogger, is it correct to spend gold on wolfy and mozzy first? What should I spend gold on in first town?
Don't use Mozzy. Now that yogger exists, simply get the 'when receive vitality, then remove bleed' talent on grukli. Yes on Wolfy, very powerful. I would have to rewatch my nez guide, but scry usually stays in my deck fairly long these days. Still gets the cut late game, but on M16 it's one of the last to go. Guides are definitely just that, guidelines, not rules. So feel free to experiment as your gut says. The game has gotten a lot quicker since my nez guide, so I favor more inspire and scry now than when I made the guide. The guides still works, but feel free to modify it. As long as you are keeping your decks at 15 as much as possible, and the avg cost low enough to play everything, then most everything should fall into place. What's giving you trouble with lvl 1 grukli? I don't remember relying on any of his talent cards or starting items. Lemme know what is roughing you up and I will see how I can help.
With restricted power probably doubling fury is better since it only costs 2 energy. Though I wonder if you can hit 50 fury now since dual wield nerfed
Yeah, I meant to discuss that at some point. That's a dead on analysis of it! I like to go triple fury to begin with, then flip it to Double Fury once I hit level 5.
sorry, looks like i forgot to add looks at them. thats an andrin tank, gustav support and nez support if you want to take a quick look at those guides to see suggested starting decks and progression.
44:09 do i miss anything or why do you get poisoned again after playing dilute? I mean it says transform Poison into water, but shortly after it takes the poison, Grukli gets poisoned again?
i feel like the game should still be 1.1? vulnerable stacks is the most recent change i think, only goes to 6/7 instead of 10/12. there are a lot more ways to lower shadow resistance than their used to be, but none of them are actually viable. No significant changes to Malukah. The only guides of mine that I think have a chance of being outdated are burn corn and gustav/sylvie. but those still use the same decklists, but just play out a little different because of energy changes.
Update version 1.2:
The right Powerful perk is no longer a viable option. In all cases you should pick the middle Powerful perk on your damage hero!
Other:
Sorry for the long video, I ended up recording while sick to make this happen on a better timeline. Thank you for your patience!
Don't push yourself too hard! Being sick sucks and overworking it is not the play!
I like consistent videos long or short.
Really great video and I like how in depth you go in it.
There is maybe one way to have Grukli handle massive amounts of bleeds of himself that is over his max hp.
There is a bleed perk that changes so bleed damage is applied at the end of the turn like poison.
However I don't know if fury applies the bleed first and then the bleed tick comes or not in this case. Will need to test thus out myself.
I have now tested this out, the Bleed from the fury applies after the tick of bleed damage would apply if you take the perk that makes bleed tick at end of turn. So you are basically immune to bleeds from fury with this since he can be dispelled by another character after his turn, or even dispel himself during his turn.
I believe that perk only affects monsters, not heroes.
I appreciate your work! AtO seems like it was engineered to appeal to me specifically, so it's a relief to see you be deep into it and your insights are so helpful. Even as a veteran of deckbuilding roguelites I still learn a ton from each video. Don't be hard on yourself, you're doing great! Where I'd like to see you go next: spotlight specific team comps a bit more, and all in one place - you've given us all the building blocks we need to build our own teams, and I like how you discuss comps at the end of each hero vid, but I'm always looking for new "meta" builds to try and have a hard time finding out what the meta even is, and I learn so much from examples beyond what I can learn from explanations. Thanks for doing these AtO videos!
Thank you so much!
I think a shortish form of specific Team Comps is a good next step. I'm still fleshing out the details, but some way of discussing a team archetype as a whole and what the key pieces of it are. I'm trying to find that balance of individual teams (there are 1000+ combos) VS being too vague. Do you think "On-hit Burn" and "Self-chill" are the right scope you are looking for? If I just covered every damage type as a whole that's still 9 different guides/vidoes.
Thanks!
Thank you so much! This helps a ton.
Hell ya!!! I haven't watched it yet but I'm excited!!! Been waiting for this since I picked up the game
hopefully the length doesn't drag too much. I might end up remaking this one at some point, so feedback is greatly appreciated.
Finally, Grukli's here! Thank you for making these guides. Btw is that Tank Andrin??
Thank you so much!
Tank Andrin relies on speed, deflects, and dodge for self survival; and Ballad of Evasion for team survival. It's been nerfed a bit from it's original form, and some of the act 4 monsters punish dodge. It's still quite powerful and requires a little finesse. I hope to make a guide for it soon.
Ooh yes I’ve been excited for this one in particular
Been waiting on this video for awhile, Thank you so much man. I apprecaite the dedicated content and detailed explanations behind the guides.
Very excited to put this into action. Thanks goat
Baaa! (how does one type out a bleating noise? lol)
Been waiting a long time for this. This guy and Zek are my 2 favorite characters. Been trying to figure out a comp for the two.
Really nice work!
I need to go back and find a good Shadow build for Zek. I think as my first guide I pushed too hard into Dark; plus there has been some changes to Shadow.
@@deckertech-aaron I dabbled with Bree, Evelyn, Zek, Nezglekt. Pumping power and vuln in Bree. Assisting vuln, insanity healing, and dark assisting on Nez. Energy battery, and frost aoe / frost burst (with the card upgrade so it's single target but multiple use) on Evelyn. Then Dark pump, light frost aoe, and the frost burst upgraded on Zek. With Zek and Nez taking the racials to help with adding chill.
I love frost / dark aesthetic, but it's not super strong. The ice stacks slow but it's nothing compared to burn stacks or even poison stacks and especially not bleed.
Fantastic, this is going to be fun
When you were talking about dispelling bleed you never mentioned my favourite one!
The vitality perk, 'when this hero receives vitality, dispel bleed'
Super easy to pull off with any healer, Gustav, Bree, fishing rods, or Chompy. Very reliable and definitely worth the 4 perk points imho!
Indeed! I still tend to overlook some of the perks.
Idk if this is relevant a year later with patches and all but if you take the perk where bleeds aren't applied until end of the turn, you can dispel his fury bleed a number of ways. Blue or purple blood for blood (not ideal for this build) Burning blood is the best. Turns your blood to fire and makes fury.
Yeah, that's definitely a fun way to build his deck. It existed at the time too, and I briefly mention it in my Bless Combo video I think. I felt like it was a little more risky and complicated than this version, but I may have been wrong. If I end up making another Grukli dps vid it will likely be the very consistent 2nd turn max fury version. Especially since you don't have to rely on anyone else to set yup up, which is more appropriate foe multiplayer.
Lovee the detail
Hope to see a Evelyn dps guide soon!
Use whirlwind, it works really well with equipment such as "destiny", beat madness 12 with a grukli sharp/fury whirlwind build.
Congrats!
The 1% fury with no bleed becomes much more viable at high Madness (IV or V+), where Grukli (with other perks) will kill themselves much faster due to enemies living longer with higher hp, resistances and dealing more damage. He ends up dealing twice his max Hp as bleed damage (seen 1000+ damage due to bleed quite often with your recommended perk) and still not be able to one hit enemies, which puts a lot of stress on the other characters to have to cure him every round or he dies. It also negates the need for Mozzy or any other cards and he can soley concentrate on stacking Fury and hitting as many times in a round. He also scales very well with Vitality (Invigorating blow and Demolishing blow) Fury + DB can give it a base damage of 300/400+ which is then modified by Fury as well as making him very survivable with the high max hp, Vit acts as a soft heal as you keep any hp up to your Max at end of round.
I play only Madness 14+. I find that if you have that much bleed on you, then something else is going wrong.
I CAN REST PEACEFULLLYYYYYYY!!!!11!11
I’m so confused. I try this exact thing and just get shitstomped repeatedly. And I’m on madness 11. I’m not entirely sure what I’m doing wrong but I’m not coming close to killing as fast as you. My turn 1 of the first combat doesn’t even kill all 3 corns
Vulnerable, Sharp, Inspire, Powerful. Those are the key components to my Act 1 example in this video. Speed was a big deal as well, making sure my team acts in the correct order and before the enemies.
Any advice beyond that would take me seeing more of what is going on in your run.
Oh, and the correct perks help a lot, that's a place to check.
Thank you
What about the Bloodguard to deal with his bleed? Great content man. If you're looking for additional video ideas, how about boss strategy videos? I've not beat the game yet but even though there are several bosses that I've beaten, I wouldn't say I have good strategy for many of them yet. Just recently got through the twins and am hoping to make my first win with that run, thanks to your vids for deckbuilding advice!
u said nezglect applies bless thru "combo", what combo is that?
I think he means use dilute + baptism
There is an explanation of the Baptism combo releasing tomorrow.
In short:
Poison flask
Dilute
Baptism
Profit
I don't know if it was bugged or not but Malukah didn't have him join my party, just gave a reward. I only got him to join with the fish, I believe you can use Thuls to guarantee the fish.
I may have gotten it wrong then, I will make a note of that.
I googled up tips for m16 and there is this guide from april 23 2023 which says that Grukli Nez Gus Yogger is one of best m16 comps. Do you agree?
Seems legit to me, maybe a little slow with poor luck on items. Otherwise you have all the bases covered with all the best heroes.
Yogger is ez mode atm; sharp is easiest team too. So, easiest team, absolutely; very easy recommendation. Best? That just depends on what you enjoy playing the most.
@@deckertech-aaron When you build Gus and Nez to support Grukli, I have to take out all sight synergy, right? Because Grukli does not benefit from sight. So instead of vigilance/clairvoyance/mind visions what should I put in?
You still need vigilance to guarantee Gustav draws, check out the andrin guide for decklists.
You can still be running clairvoyance on nez to trigger his spell talent. It's also great healing for him. Otherwise just lean heavier into inspire and bless.
@@deckertech-aaron Thanks. I found Gus decklist, yes. For Nez, is there somewhere in your guides decklist with Scrys to synergize with Grukli? Or I can simply add in scrys for healer nezglect list? Atm it seems that trying high madness with grukli rank 1 is impossible I have to lvl him up to 50. Regarding pets and gold usage - if I run Grukli, Nez, Gus, Yogger, is it correct to spend gold on wolfy and mozzy first? What should I spend gold on in first town?
Don't use Mozzy. Now that yogger exists, simply get the 'when receive vitality, then remove bleed' talent on grukli.
Yes on Wolfy, very powerful.
I would have to rewatch my nez guide, but scry usually stays in my deck fairly long these days. Still gets the cut late game, but on M16 it's one of the last to go. Guides are definitely just that, guidelines, not rules. So feel free to experiment as your gut says. The game has gotten a lot quicker since my nez guide, so I favor more inspire and scry now than when I made the guide. The guides still works, but feel free to modify it. As long as you are keeping your decks at 15 as much as possible, and the avg cost low enough to play everything, then most everything should fall into place.
What's giving you trouble with lvl 1 grukli? I don't remember relying on any of his talent cards or starting items. Lemme know what is roughing you up and I will see how I can help.
With restricted power probably doubling fury is better since it only costs 2 energy. Though I wonder if you can hit 50 fury now since dual wield nerfed
Yeah, I meant to discuss that at some point. That's a dead on analysis of it! I like to go triple fury to begin with, then flip it to Double Fury once I hit level 5.
Hi, what cards Did you use for the others players?!
sorry, looks like i forgot to add looks at them. thats an andrin tank, gustav support and nez support if you want to take a quick look at those guides to see suggested starting decks and progression.
44:09 do i miss anything or why do you get poisoned again after playing dilute? I mean it says transform Poison into water, but shortly after it takes the poison, Grukli gets poisoned again?
The Polluter is an item that says apply poison when apply wet. This basically stops dilute from removing the poison.
@@deckertech-aaron Ohhh i see, thanks for the reply. o/
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Has much changed in this since v1.1?
i feel like the game should still be 1.1? vulnerable stacks is the most recent change i think, only goes to 6/7 instead of 10/12.
there are a lot more ways to lower shadow resistance than their used to be, but none of them are actually viable. No significant changes to Malukah.
The only guides of mine that I think have a chance of being outdated are burn corn and gustav/sylvie. but those still use the same decklists, but just play out a little different because of energy changes.
i did a test run on non madness with Grukli, i ended up having 2600 Fury in the final fight and 1 shot the boss. i mean 1 card kill.
Pow!
@@deckertech-aaron I was lucky to get a corruot butchering that was target any monster too
get Mozzy as a pet and its all fixed with the bleed problem
471 supply... "i couldn't afford it".
lol
Normally I am capped at 500 supplies because there is nothing to spend it on in M14+ runs
You can not spend supply for gold/shards in high madness levels
@@isaacsmyth444 I've unfortunately noticed.
Bad Ju ju... lol
Thanks!
Thank you so much!