In Search of Henry V's Flagship, Grace Dieu (Bursledon) | Series 12 Episode 6 | Time Team
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- Опубликовано: 11 май 2021
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Under the murky fast flowing waters of the River Hamble near Southampton lies the skeleton of a great medieval warship. The team have three days to prove that this is the Grace-Dieu.
Series 12, Episode 06
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I think I can honestly say that any TT episode that pops up always gets promoted to #1 on my playlist.
I cant get enough of this.
There’s a caterpillar on Tony’s chin 😂😂
I think it’s mold?
Good ol football helmet chinstrap
Maybe its a rash? From rubbing while he's trying to catch up with the archeologists?
Looks like he's trying to balance a couple of slugs.
Makes up for the lack of a j.c.b
An amazing piece of History, what needs to be done is put up a call for a dam around it pump it out and expose the entire ship. 👍☮️
why do divers fall backward out of the boat? because if they fell forward they would still be in the boat.
🙄 …. 🤣🤣🤣
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I was silly and the push on your facemask really hurts,you only do it once.
Finally a full time team episode we can view in Australia without resorting to a VPN.
Let's all keep our fingers crossed there's more to come!!!!!
Grievous. VPN very handy.
The Tony soul patch era was such a moment in time.
Dr. Susan Rose is a ray of sunshine in the stacks of maritime records. I would love to spend a day listening to her insights, pouring over tomes. 😊
Tony never fails,to make me think of black adder , he is was the perfect presenter for this programme.
He had a cunning plan.
Nice to see that old Henery V took Jaws to heart. He not gonna need a bigger boat.
Phil Johnson Did you mean Henry?
@@barbaradyson6951 Clearly not.
lol, good one!
In 2011 I went on a College Residential Trip to Southampton & went Kayaking on the River Hamble we were told that a ship had sank in there & that Time Team had been there too it's crazy to know that I have directly been in front of the X Marker where it sank 🤩
@shirokumaotaku...instead of kayaking, you should've stayed on campus and studied appropriate punctuation.
Nit nice im sure@@mjc11a
I love time team as a kid and now I'm getting back into it it's lovely xx
I've done work in underwater low to zero visibility conditions and it is extremely challenging. Especially when you are under a time crunch.
Beyond that I am always amazed at what our ancestors where able to accomplish, often with little more than shear force of will.
I did my Openwater in winter with 2 foot viz. It didn't faze me but I would've liked to have seen SOMETHING!!
@@juliaforsyth8332 Doing a checkout dive in those conditions is an irresponsible move on the part of the instructor.
I was looking at the graphic if the crooked tree. Do you think the arborists of the day would have purposely shaped those trees to the required shape, so grown for purpose? Because that is a lot of similar shaped trees which can be hard to find. I am a scuba instructor, so that visibility isn't unusual for me. Props to anyone who works in that mess.
Along with the spitfire episode this was one of my favourite episodes
Given how high it rode on the water it is amazing it did not capsize and sink as soon as it entered the water. It was obviously intended to act as a floating fortress because given the steering technology available it would have been impossible to maneuver in a battle.
That was the issue with the May Rose. I think if you had added gun ports for water to get in and some wind, then you would be right.
Like the Vasa.
I am in love with Francis voice-has he ever done audio books or voice overs? I watched some documentaries with him hosting a week or so ago and loved them! I can imagine him reading Shakespeare, Homer,great poetry or anything really & it would be fabulous.He's such a sweetheart and it comes through in his voice.
Really? Not to my knowledge but he's done other documentaries.
Wow. Seeing it superimposed on the water in it's true size made me think of it totally differently. Huge! And beautiful.
Another great time team, I remember this episode from when it was first shown on channel 4 many years ago now. "I always liked time team!".😊 "Thanks for posting this!"...👍
This is one my absolute favourite shows , love it .
While it looked and sounds an impressive ship it looked clear the build quality was not great and if the rudder and sails where the wrong size it would have been terrible to handle and you get that impression from the crew and its lack of use. As for being struck by lightning and burned down I think Tony was right someone set fire to it to salvage the iron
Excellent episode! It was interesting and different, with the diving. That ship was massive!! I think that man was right that the technology was not quite there yet in building it
Another great episode of my favourite show thank you
I loved this! Thanks time team
PerfectLy timed for my first night in my own flat :)
Congrats!
happy new flat!
Hope you had a jolly good tug old chap!
@@thert.hon.thelordnicholson7261 🤣🤣🤣
This is one of the most amazing episodes.
In the 15th century ships were still being rammed as part of warfare so it does not surprise me that a battle ship might have been planned to be extra robust. However this could have affected her manouverabilty in the water and made her unsafe, thereby scaring the crew into distrusting her.. Like they say a very expensive experiment but likely to have helped marine engineering in the longer term. IMO
Or, if its size and weight made it a lot less manoeuvrable and mobile than the enemy (e.g. it could have had a great top speed but couldn't accelerate and decelerate quickly, making turning and moving around the close quarters of a sea battle at that time a big problem), it could have ended up being a huge target and liability instead.
It did have a very thick clinker hull, and sure that may have been more robust (at least it could run over ships with it's size), but stretching clinkers to be used in such a way may also have had vulnerabilities that haven't been identified.
Pulling from the deep recesses of my brain, I was told either an anecdotal or maybe an embellished cautionary tale by my great grandfather when I was very young so I’m relying on the vision I conjured as he told me the story. The gist though was there was a (Middle Eastern so think maybe Persian, Babylonian, or Egyptian) king who decided he wanted the most expensive ship on the seas to show off his wealth and grandeur. The only thing allowed to be wooden on his ship was the hidden frame and the heart of the masts. Everything else had to be thickly encased in gold, silver, jewel studded opulence. He nearly bankrupt his kingdom making it, but once it was done he demanded the entire kingdom travel to watch its launch. They rolled the golden hull into the water with the king, his best generals, and his entire court on board. His top ship builders and engineers had been telling him it would be a disaster the entire time, I think he even executed a few of them. But it caught water and floated towards the center of the chanel. Celebrations blah blah until they reached open water and deployed the sails. As the sails unfurled, the main mast started to catch wind and the ship listed to one side. The sheer weight of the 3 golden masts capsized the golden monstrosity and it sunk so quickly that no one survived.
I took the point of the story away as just because it’s the most expensive, doesn’t mean it’s the best.
I love this program!!
If money were no object I’d be very tempted to say build a cofferdam around it and drain it to only waste depth for visibility. You’re not going to find anything more than feeling structural members this way. Good old Phil always eager to get into a trench no matter how damp 🤣
He loves a damp trench does Phil! 🤣
Good idea. Would be expensive I guess.
Thanks enormously for posting. To have remains of such structures dating back that far is still wonderful to me as a Canadian. Who's excavated historical sites that go "all the way" back to the middle 1700's in Ontario.
I love how impatient Tony is 😂
I've watched the whole series several times, and I always hate it whenever Tony comes on. His sour attitude and negative attitude are simply not acceptable. He is too old to be such an egotistic adolescent.
He is a drag that threatens to destroy the optimism of the rest of the crew.
Tony is the villain that ties the faire maiden to the train tracks. Booo!
lol hes just being facetious
xD @@elizabethschaeffer9543
Tony's shade for the dive operators is palpable.
Very interesting. Love Marine Archaeology. The main mast must have been colossal!
Amazed this hasn't been excavated and preserved yet.
It’s perfectly preserved where it is. It’s a big ship, it need’s a huge building if it’s supposed to be excavated to public view.
Can' t help but thinking the Grace Dieu was predominately built as a deterrent or a visual
representation of naval power. Henry must of been aware of the might and expense of
Edward iii's fleet in his designs to the French throne.
I rather think the primary function of most militaries (especially their flagship assets... in this case literally a naval flagship) is non-combative.
That could be true. Possibly not a boat of any great use in a naval battle. Hell of an expense though.ANd they didn't get their money's worth.
That's why they entertained visitors from the area that was supplying warships for France--to have them report back.
for anyone interested in this please also look at the work of raising the Swedish ship Vasa which was built early 1600, capsized on its maiden voyage and was raised in 1961
I visited the Vasa museum last summer. They’ve done a fantastic job with the preservation. Fascinating stuff
I love the diver guy asking everyone if they are happy. So wholesome
Hello from Ohio (USA)....another great show from Time Team!
Hello from the UK...☺
@@UnessasryGestures Hi Blake, I hope all is well with you!
What an awesome episode and an awesome ship
truely brilliant series, life saver in these times of pandemic. Hoping some books will be written on Time Team.
Have you heard they are coming back online this year with some original team members organised by the man who originally created the series?
I think there are books out there!
@@iangallager4091 Why did Channel 4 stop showing Time Team? It must have been one of their most popular and successful shows.
@@mrjohn.whereyoufrom
@@mrjohn.whereyoufrom I think a new producer arrived with new ideas to revamp an already successful formula by axing established practices and introduce a new format and that was the beginning of the end
Love Phil!!!!
Ah finally another goatee episode!
Speaking of relics. Was that a 4 car class 423 VEP that came through while Tony and Stewart were on the bridge? If so that episode of Time Team was filmed in the last year of their operation!
amazing....
Lol, the 'infamous sea curtain'!
@Time Team Classics, it seams that the Patreon link in the description box does not work. Used link under another video of yours. Keeping my fingers crossed for the new digs.
Any news on more classic episodes? Or are they holding off as they work on the new ones? I miss my weekly fix of Team Time :p
just when you think you've seen all the episodes .... thank you
Halfway through the episode and it's basically an archeology radio program. I hope there's a visual by the end of the episode.
Did you screen the material brought up by the air lift for artifacts.
dive master seems very professional
I’ve just started to rewatch TT and anything made post 2007 (the time my love affair with archaeology finished).
It’s really bittersweet for me. Reminds me of a lost youth and sense of excitement and hope. Time team came to me at the right time, and I went to Uni and became an archaeologist (I’ve cut that story short!), 2 years of doing ‘the circuit’ was enough for me. Great experience, no money and jobs all over the country. It has to be a way of life if you want to continue: I wanted to be able to live somewhere and afford it!
I know there are specific Archeology firms in the UK, but don't a lot of archeologists work in a specific University and supplement their income by teaching? I didn't think Universities sent their archeologists all over the country, but is that common...? Would another potential career be to specialise in any of the specialties that require a lab - like conserving finds - so they wouldn't move you around much?
I mean, I really know nothing about the pay structure or how badly paid it is, and I'm not questioning your career choice; I'm just thinking about my own experience with universities and academia and curious about whether it's just vastly different in archeology in the UK, or if the entire industry of archeology has changed a lot from its academic roots.
It's not my field, but archeology in my own country is really quite marginalised (not much archeology actually survives in the ground unfortunately, but still...) so I'm always curious about how other countries do archeology.
@@13minutestomidnight you’re right in the sense that the only true career is in academia, research or the conservation, but my interest was in seeing and doing it, not reading, researching full time, and certainly not the sort of person who wanted to stand in front of a class! Pay back then £350 per week. Because there’s so many out there fighting for the same work! Prices kept down by supply and demand
I've realized that Phil is an almost dead ringer for Noddy Holder from Slade....🤘🤘🤘🤘
And he might be related to Worzel Gummidge . . .
Man, there's only one Phil.
All other noddys are impostors.
"No evidence whatsoever that it wasn't seaworthy" other than that it was only used once, got no further than the Isle of Wight and there was practically a mutiny, that is.
it could have joined the Mary Rose and the Wasa quite easily looking at the focsle I reckon.... but the path to the moon is littered with crashes. 160 or so years later and England is thrashing the Armada, I guess you could call it a learning curve. No offence to my Spanish friends of course.
@@Simon_Nonymous Even by then I'd still call the general level of seaworthiness of larger ships at least a little 'precarious'. The armada is a case in point where the greatest adversary by far, was the weather. And by the time of the Wasa, they really ought to have known a little better.
@@Simon_Nonymous Yeah. They sunk one armada ship. Read the new accounts.
Seems like the Spruce Goose of its day.
Tony needs to stand a bit closer to the razor.
It will be never be proved but there may be a good reason why the ship did one small voyage and the sailors hated her/
Are any more of the old episodes going to be loaded up here? It's been over 6 weeks since this episode was posted.
If it was only used for one voyage like that after the exorbitant cost of construction, the only reason that makes sense is that the ship was genuinely unsafe or would have been useless in battle (with it's huge size and weight, maybe the mobility and manoeuvrability was terrible etc.). Sure, the sailors might have hated it (whether for justified reasons or not) but a King isn't going to care about that he'll just use force, money or threaten people until he's got a crew.
(In fact, maybe the local sailors hated it so much because the shipbuilders had been known to cut corners in construction due to the short deadline, so people thought it was unsafe)
This was Henry's flagship, so unless the French naval threat disappeared by that point (which could have happened, to be fair), he should at least have the ship out there with his fleet helping to intimidate the enemy or even to ferry around royalty and their guests in luxury. You don't build a ship 3 times the size of your enemy's because it's militarily necessary (not without tech. advances), you do it for the status and impact it has, like showing off. It was berthed before Henry even had a chance to get tired of it. So why?
According to written history, does Henry V seem that stupid and frivolous a monarch to not use this ship if it was functional? However, he might not have cared about sailors' complaints, but it's likely he would have listened to his own naval experts, who could have convinced him to not use it.
Yeah, the sea skirt/curtain never was going to work, it was far to short. Coffer dam if they were going to be there for a bit, but that would have been massive.
I don't recall if they did any tree ring analysis to get the age of the wood used on this vessel,
Why bother? They KNOW when it was constructed.
I can guess why the ship was so unpopular with the soldiers and crew:
1. they got splinters in their hands and feet because of the abysmal quality of workmanship
2. they got lost frequently on their way, because of the sheer size of the ship
3. maneuvering such an enormous ship must have been a nightmare
4. The war was against the French, and the ship is named with a french name
Does the dredge ever suck up small finds? Is there a filtering system up top?
Tony’s impatience in this really bothered me. It’s as if he doesn’t appreciate all the hard work going into uncovering this boat
Who laughed when Tony gaslit us about how great the visibility was? I wish I knew the episode featured an underwater timber and a nailhead. At least Phil made me laugh with his "permission denied".
I'm stickin' to John like... Oh! Here he is!
Did Tony fall of his 10 speed and have a bit of a scrape and bruise on his chin?
Southampton to the Isle of Wight the only voyage?
Was the Captain of the Grace Dieu Captain Rum from Blackadder?
"now he's guiding my hand down, oooooh my god!" am i the only one that heard that xD 25:00
All those trees.....mon dieu.
Maybe it's the boat that is on the gold coin they found at that castle.
These guys are experts in passive aggressiveness LOL. Haven't seen this episode before. Can't recall I've seen another under-water project.
Think there was one on a Scottish crannock.
There are a few other episodes that feature at least some underwater archaeology:
Series 1 Episode 4 - Llangorse
Series 2 Episode 1 - Finlaggan (I think there is underwater archaeology in this one)
Series 3 Episode 4 - Teignmouth (the first 'fully' underwater episode)
Series 9 Episode 3 - Kinlochbervie
Series 10 Episode 6 - Merton
Series 11 Episode 3 - Loch Migdale (as already mentioned above)
Series 17 Episode 3 - Piercebridge
Series 16 Episode 9 - Looe - this could also be included as Royal Navy divers go looking, unsuccessfully, for shipwrecks. These are all the episodes I could think of, I may have missed some!
they made the edges of the sea curtain to short there should have been a way to roll it up and down to account for tidal. it would probably easiest to wrap it around the top.
Tony's goatee, just a little dark?
2 Meters = 6.56168 Feet
20 M = 65.6168 Feet ..
Hope this Helps you like it did me.
Where you guys finding parts for the EXO?
Even when they put Robbie on a boat he has, as usual, to be kept moving, entering stage left and exiting stage right for his introductions. Talk about a formula.
Sir Tony, you mean.
From the model of the ship shown I would not want to be on Her if she went out into open water. That focsle would make Her extremely unsteady in any kind of wind.
When I watched this originally I'd have thought it'd be a good idea to get the shipwright dive the 6ft down as he'd at least know what he's looking for and measure in feet and inches
That calls for an international rebuilding project with artisan and student exchanges all over Europe!
They are using a vacuum to lift the mud off the ship. Where is this spoil going? Was it examined for small finds?
They're actually using air. They send down air in a separate hose that connects to the main hose a bit back from the opening. The air bubbles rise inside the tube pulling water with it. Just like an air driven aquarium filter. The water is going to a dredge at the surface and is pumped out over a fine mesh, where any spoils are caught, before running back into the river.
2,43 meters, that's 8 foot. A nice, even number.
I despise metrics. A foot has been used since the early Bronze Age (and probably earlier). Good enough.
@@gregt4202 Yeah, why evolve to something better. bet you ride an oxcart too, since it too have been in use since before the bronze age. And btw, all sae measurements are defined by metrics.
@@darkiee69 I submit to your trendiness, even though SAE is NOT a metric measurement system."SAE stands for Society of Automotive Engineers and the sockets are typically marked in fractions of an inch, i.e., 1/2″, 3/8″, 13/16″. Metric tools are measured in millimeters and come in sizes such as 8 mm, 10 mm, 12 mm, etc. "
Metrics take the "humanity" out of the measurements in the classical world. They may not be relevant for subatomic structures, but they have developed historically off of human anatomy or interactions with the world to a large degree. As to cosmologic distances, we all use light years in any event.
Have a 12 oz. beverage on me. :)
Not one of the better Time Team episodes. I still enjoy the Time Team crew though.
How long did those iron nails last on a vessel in a marine enviroment?
Years with some replacements every once in awhile if they where made with bad minerals.
With a length of some 200 feet and a beam of 50 feet she would have been about three times as long and as wide as Columbus' Santa Maria. And while the Santa Maria had a displacement of about 150 tons, the Grace Dieu would have had one ten times as much, likely more. That is almost in the league of the 18th century HMS Victory.
Some of these questions are precisely why we need experimental archeology . Get a proper old head carpenter out there and present him with the problem and see how it solved. Then do that three more times with three more old heads and see how they do it and see if a pattern doesn't start to form . 25 years of construction experience. We don't build boats or ships but it construction there are patterns and they will show themselves if you know what you're looking for
These programs are fantastic but it's a shame that they add the stress of a three day limit only
Quantity over quality I guess.
They didn't have the budget for more, the archeologists and so forth had commitments during the rest of the week at universities and what have you.
The construction technique allows rapid assembly via much of the design is repetitive, the timber used is quick work in harvesting available resources, making the job fairly easy and will stand up to the worst of what the Sea can offer. Kp
Lightning in January 🤔
🧐 indeed
It happens.
5:19
So he doesn't think it was that big but his much smaller estimate is a 5 meter difference. Must be some good weed over there.
I can’t pay attention to the archeology for trying to figure out what the hell is on Tony’s chin!🤣. I’d bet he looks back at this and says “” man what a douche I was thinking anyone believed that wasn’t shoe Polish”
Ohhhh arerr Toney stone the crows!
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Surely "Day One" should've only started once the floatation device, sea curtain & dredge were all in place and the site prepared?
I love hipster beard skinny Tony.
Why no metal detectors? That would seem to be a good way to locate the hull nails and with that the hull?
Do metal detectors even work underwater?
@@margomoore4527 Yes they do. I believe they were used in the Antikythera investigation off the Greese Island.
Why do they estimate the length in metres and the width in feet?
It's fun to mix up the old imperial and metric now and then, keeps my greengrocer on his toes!
Imperial is far better - sensible measurements.
Ship.
Just got a 3 second second on an advert.
Wish the show would have addressed why the waterways were filled in / no longer exist.
Sediments. And the land rising.
All these south coast rias (river courses submerged by rising sea levels, likely at the end of the ice age) are subject to silting. The three Great Harbours Chichester, Langston and, particularly Portsmouth need regular dredging. Likely, the filling-in was a natural process.
I'd be very willing to refund that shipwright his 68 pounds if he's still feeling uneasy about it.If he's not sleeping too well. If you see him will you tell him.!!!! Would love to hear some ordinary member of the crew telling of his dissatisfaction about the boat and whether it was as difficult to manoeuvre as it might well have been.Pity they cannot raise the boat as they managed with the Mary Rose though I expect it would cost millions.
Ah, the slug balancer has returned, this time balancing 2 slugs on his chin.
Did Toby dye his beard?
Tony*