Forever Winter Bugged Mg34 And Hunter Killers Are Fun (Not)
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- Опубликовано: 24 янв 2025
- A couple of runs on ashen mesa one with me trying out the MG34 and another doing a typical loot run and trying to level up my SVD so I can get my scope back.
also please sort out the hunter killers fun dog, I know they are supposed to be punishing but jesus their trigger is way too sensitive right now
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"Sir, a random Civilian has opened up a box in a shantytown on the edge of the city."
"SeNd iN tHe HunTeR-kILleRS!"
"Sir, this one stupid fucking IDIOT decided to check inside a random dumpster that contained a picture of another scav with his partner!"
"GOD FUCKING DAMNIT SON, SEND IN E V E R Y T H I N G WE GOT!!!"
You know for a war, with supposedly no higher command structure and where each faction in supposedly dieing to eternal attrition and lack of resources… they sure do care a-lot about a random civilian opening a discarded box
It sort of makes sense for more valuable items. You don't want a random scav running off with your valuable military tech when you could scavenge it after the battle. But it is still a bit odd.
I mean just look at the effort they make in scavenging proper at night time in the cemetery. Literal MOUNTAINS of bodies and gear. They're not about to let some filthy human rat get their paws on something actually irreplaceable war gear. You bet your ass they're gonna have you exterminated if you make yourself noticed on the front lines. You can kinda tell they have priorities. A lone human staring down an enemy squad but not aiming at them with their little peashooter will sometimes get to live another day. You don't go out of your way to step on every little insect you happen to find while walking outside either.
@@markus4595 actually good point
I’ve noticed this a few times. Often, enemies may be startled when they notice you (it seems to me). Your presence isn’t always expected and you’re often a secondary target.
Just fyi, if you can loot a destroyed grenade launcher it sells for 35k, the highest single item value I’ve seen
I mean if someone in realistic way repairs the grenade launcher. I guess it would make things easier,
Now, as promised, the list of items that 100% (or near 100%) guarantee Hunter Killers/Scramblers to spawn.
- Weapon Tech
- Cyborg Components
- Data Cache
- Neurolinks
Also worth noting, there are other items you can pick up, which while they don't cause HK spawns, they do cause all other hostile NPCs to take more of an interest in you - aka Their '?' meters fill significantly faster, and they will search for/follow you for much longer when you do trigger a '? Status' on them. Similarly, they'll chase you longer once they fill the '?' and go hostile. Lastly, i'm not 100% sure about this last part, but the effect seems to stack/scale with how many of these items you are carrying.
- Europan Portable Targeting System
- Euruskan Plans
- PDA
- Europan/Eurasian Drone Debris
- Schematics
- Hard Drive
- Officer's Laptop
- Dossier
- Telemetry
Essentially anything marked with 'Intel' within the item description will cause NPC's to become more... "curious" about you and willing to gun you down. Which while it doesn't make sense that every soldier on the field telepathically knows what's in your pockets, it does make a certain amount of sense that soldiers would always be after Intelligence, whether recovering their own faction's, or gathering enemy Intel.
My first comment this was meant to be a reply too got deleted; But something to be aware of that's extremely helpful to know: _HK AGGRO/SPAWNRATE IS A CUMULATIVE EFFECT THAT IS NOT RESET UPON LEAVING A RAID_
HK Aggro/Spawnrate is only reset upon death. So if you're finding that HK's are spawning on you at the drop of a hat, like they're on a 3min timer, or the second you pick up _any_ item, just go into a raid after ditching all your equipment/items, nothing but the Surplus Rifle/Shotgun with the ammo in their magazines, and the starter rig on your back, and get yourself killed on purpose.
I've had weapon tech not trigger the killers... but also trigger them.
But I've never actually faced them yet, always just bolt to extraction.
@@NukerMunkyGames that explains it, cause I've done like 3 successful runs in a row and they popped up QUICK after that. S12 does good work on them though
I love the forever winter content. Would love to see more.
Watched your tips vid and it helped me springboard forward, keep up the great work its enjoyable to watch you play!
Loving your uploads, man. Keep it up.
if you're not opposed to cheesing the xp, you can easily rank up your SVD just infinitely killing the zombos in the tutorial mission
Honestly the lvling weapons for modding seems wierd too me, I thought they should be more available for when you get higher rep but the thing is you max it out almost instantly and i dont even know how i did it
they trigger every time you pick up a quest item.... and when you kill too many enemies.... and for nuthing else... ya the need to be adressed tho.... i had to run mesa 500 times to get a godamn picture out of a box.... triggered on the picture item every damn time lol
nah i saw on discord someone just opening a chest over and over again and that triggered them, also if you look at my inventory after they spawned on here you'll see i had nothing really that valuable...they really are just too sensitive right now
The hunter killers are more working on RNG instead of the reason why the devs really need to rework this mechanic or explain WHY we getting them cause figuring it out on aware on when some people just spawn in and 1 min pass they get hunted really doesn't explain why tho
There are certain valuable items that will auto trigger them, but they also trigger if you take too much value, or if you take more than 2 water.
@@Mathenaut more than 1 water? That explains somethin for me, thanks. Explains a few rounds ^^'
Yeah the fact that they spawn based on loot value is wack. Like how could they possibly know what stuff you're carrying? And even if they did, why would they send HKs after some random scavs over a mech or any other significant threat? It just doesn't make sense. Their spawns should be tied to you killing too much stuff and nothing else imo.
Hunters spawn because of different things, but the following is guaranteed: Quest items (Even when you have not enabled the quest yet) " picture of couple" and " weapon tech" are the ones i have noticed so far. The picture is only worth 93 credits but the weapon tech is worth like 9000.
Wait is that what the quest picture is?! Man, I've been selling so many of those! I am typically keeping Valuable items though since I had the feeling they would be needed for fetch quests.
@@grimgrahamch.4157 That does not matter, you have to bring them in while the quest is active. I owned several drone components but you can only complete the quets by bringing them in again... I would like to point out that in the ashen mesa i ussually get like 3 pictures per run so they are quite garbage outside the quest.
subscriber 643 here, this is the first video i have seen of you and your channel, i hope te see you and yours have more fun in the future of your channel. thanks for the updated tips too!
Hey man congrats on your video and channel growing!!!! You’re amazing and I love the forever winter content you bring! Keep up the good work
The first box I looted on ashen mesa instantly spawned hunter killers, about a minute into the mission. Very fun. Cyborgs can also wander into the starting point there, and enemies often camp the bridge to the extract or the extract itself. Had to run it like 4 times to get my first barrel of water. Two time killed by soldiers/hunter killers on the bridge to extract that aggro'd from a good 60m away, then by an eurasian drone that executed me, 2 of them camped the exit for a good 8 minutes along with running cyborgs.
Not to mention 3 tanks spawning so close they almost ran me over...
Ironically, the run where hunter killer didn't spawn, was when I killed 16 cyborgs right in the starting town on Mesa. Message showed up that scramblers were deployed instead, but nothing spawned.
Yeah, these things definitely need some work, or at least an explanation
Good video
It was really fun to watch.
I have bought the game but my PC can't run it, i've been postponing buying a new one for a long time but now i really want to make the change.
Watching your FW vids has become chicken noodle soup for my soul, dude.
The worst is when they send a stalker or brawlers, they are faster than and they can 1 tap you, also i noticed how at my first hour of games i got out about 10 times easily and then they xake afterwards too often, definitely needs tuning
I think there are a lot more variables in play with the Hunter Killers cause I loot EVERYTHING and dont have HKs come in but 1 out of 8-10 raids. You should try the Tac Cam brother, that thing is OP wallhacks, LOVE IT. cheers mate.
There was a test posted on the subreddit that shows hunter killers spawning if you open too many boxes :(
That's bullshit. Like, I enjoy the concept of Hunter Killers being a less contrived raid timer, and their unpredictability ensures that no matter how confident you get, you'll never be THAT GUY, but punishing you for just looting I'm general?. That's dumb.
@@grimgrahamch.4157 I played a lot today, and there are a couple more triggers for Hunter Killers. If u ever carry 3 water reserves(large containers on ur rig), Hunter Killers r guaranteed to spawn. Rare items such as neurals and map-exclusive items also trigger them. With every container u loot, the chance for Hunter Killers gets higher. For the mech trenches specifically, I did a few runs opening the exact same storages, and the HKs always spawned on the exact same one. As it is, HKs r complete jank like a few other parts of the game. However, killing HKs by abusing AI behaviour(e.g. hiding behind cover or jumping to higher ground) does reward u a lot, especially if u have a good weapon(e.g. auto shotgun).
The biggest improvement they can make to QoL is working on the spawn issues. For HK's especially. I don't mind their effort to make it not a certainty when/if they'll spawn, but they need to not drop in so close you can see them do so.
Love the content. I streamed this game last night, and it was a ton of fun! I watched your tips vid first. I would love to do some coop with ya sometime. Congrats on the views 👊
yeah sure would love to...if the game will allow it lol (don't know if the coop is actually fixed yet, haven't tried it myself)
whats youre favorite faction?
Keep up the great coverage!
I want to get this game once it is a little less buggy and more optimized
If you want to easily complete Adv. First aid kits or explosives. You can take them into the mission, drop them, and pick them back up. It counts to the quest
Took me 25 minutes to run around Ashen Mesa as Bag Man and even then I didn't check that spot before crossing the bridge to the extract point nor the area above the extract point. This map is huge!! You can actually nearly get behind that big land ship that's in the distance, wouldn't recommend it though cos there's nothing there lol🤣 I can't find the map for the "Find the map for water" to save my life!! I wonder if some of the quests aren't doable.
Hunter Killers get sent after you by picking up explosives. It's timed, and seemingly random. I suspect it's only if you take more than 1 explosive. You've got a handful of minutes before they'll show up after taking the explosives. I've triggered them multiple times this way by going after explosives only, and no other loot, on maps like Elephant and Mech Trenches. A friend of mine has a theory that HK's or Scramblers in general will be sent after you over a certain time period. So far I've had hit/miss with this. Run off to safe-ish map spots and just hung out. Had HK's sent after me after like 20+ minutes on one occasion. Other times nothing happened.
Saw a post on the Steam Forums talking about HK/Scramblers, and according to the OP of that thread he said HK's become less aggressive and spawn less after you die. The more runs you extract alive, the more likely they are to just show up no matter what. Best way to break the cycle is to ditch everything, and go get killed on a run to reset your "bounty" as he was calling it. I've played around with this theory and results are inconclusive.
Also, I wrote a character guide on Steam for those interested. Just look for "A Breakdown of the Character Classes" by yours truly for some insight into each character.
They really need to fix the optics of the scopes, cause it doesn't really do that well and it does cause lots of Tunnel Vision
My first interaction with the hunter killers I was confused as to why he seemed to always know my location to spite me running him in circles for a bit. Makes it almost impossible to solo them I wish they were easier to evade without engaging
so what's your fav class? and weapon? thx
@Rozkil, have you been able to do the "sniper sweep" quest? I can't seem to find them.
In the world of plot armor between the three warring factions your worst nightmare is becoming a part of the script 😅
Love your vids! Full on pro gameplay!
How do you attach suppresors to weapons?. Iv tried customize but I dont get an option to attach them.
The retrieve explosive barrel is bugged and activates on its own, even if you have 3 active quests making it possible to have 4 active. It is a bug, but this one I dont mind xD
Some special tools and neural uplinks also trigger them
Hunter killers is not a good mechanic as of right now. They need to either get rid of it or fix it quick. Ridiculous someone can open a box 20 times and boom! Ur dead.
It'd be good if Hunter killers played off the amount of heat you had on you at the moment. Instead of loot, have it scale with the amount of people you kill (and got caught killing.)
It's a terrible mechanic that seems to try and make up for the bizarre and unpredictable AI to force combat encounters. But its so unpredictable on when it goes off that it feels downright unfair
the optic becomes invisible and only the sight dot is visible.
How did you get the Mg34?
Also for the HKs I just fill my bag first, then grab the quest items, and lastly bee-line to the exit.
Works every time for me on ashen mesa since I understand the loot and mob spawning.
MG34 comes from Europa once you get to trade level 2 with them.
my issue with the hunter killers is that they can wallhack to spot you, and once they do, they never lose track of where you are. you can't even run or hide, they'll get to you. They ignore other enemies to get you even when those AI shoot the hunter killers :(
If you want to get 20000 more do a graphic settings video. I'm struggling with constant fps drops on a 3080. I assume a lot of people have a hard time getting it stable. What are your specs since your experience seems butter smooth?
i will do a video on this next
three things you need to do,
1: set graphics settings on high
2: set resolution scale to half
3: limit the maximum frames per second in game (you can do this either with the frame limiter in game or using nvidia control panel, this is the way i use but in game works too)
also here's my specs
GPU:
MSI 3090 VENTUS 3X 24G OC Geforce RTX 3090
CPU:
Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-10850K CPU @ 3.60GHz, 3600 Mhz, 10 Core(s), 20 Logical Processor(s)
MOTHERBOARD:
Z590 PRO WIFI (MS-7D09)
RAM:
64GB 3600mhz
@@RozKilinteresting idea. For my 2080 super I just put everything on low, and 1920x1080p on a 2560x1440p monitor. Getting pretty good frames like that.
@RozKil, i think the dynamic res with scalping set to half is the key here.
@@RozKil thank you
My laptop keeps surprising me, sure the fps drops do happen but it runs better than I thought
HKs seem to really like to spawn fast on the first map you played. Played with a friend and we got HKs every time in that map just at varying points.
Would love to see your display settings and compare.
Thanks for the content. What videocard are you using?
RTX 3090
@@RozKilI just picked up a 4070 super ventus I play star citizen too and can't recommend the card enough and this game is butter smooth with it too
In your opini9on what are the best weapons for mask man or in general?
Funnily enough on ashen if i pickup the ashen specific neurolink they dont trigger but the goddam picture or regular neurolink they trigger everytime,but definitely partly rng too ,they need to just tone it down to then spawning if u kill a bunch or pickup high value stuff
Holy shit you are a one man army in a game where you are supposed to be opposite to that. Amazing.
I posted your first gameplay video on the Steam discussions a couple of days ago with the premise that you're not lobotomized unlike the people we got to see in alot of other footage that was "serviced". I hope that was okay. If not, my bad and I apologize.
I want to see you going through more maps with no commentary
Hey guys. About hunter killers. I only have experience with them seeing me through walls. Is this normal?
hunter killers know where you are at all times, so yes them knowing where you are is normal
I picked up some weapon parts and it caused them to spawn. Luckily the way i ran, they shot some Euruskans and they fought over that so i was able to book it out
Patch just dropped, these issues mentioned. Hk spawns and mg fixes, testing tomorrow. Be well brother
your videos are dope thx a lot
Say, how much weapon XP do you really need for some guns? I ask as level 6 Vityaz and I still can't get an optic rail for it
There is a p90 in game I thought you were saying that mentioning you were getting p90 ammo and couldn't loot it
So the Hunter Killers must be bugged because despite this being a 'brutal' game I just do not think the devs would make it so interacting with the core mechanic (looting) literally kills you. That's complete nonsense. Either they are bugged or we do not understand why they are being triggered, and we're just blaming looting. I think this game has the stuff but it absolutely needs a lot of work.
Well thats why its early access.
Roz is blowing up on RUclips
When the lady in the trailer was talking about "if you find something of REAL VALUE" I thought it would be more important items than consumables.
So the Hunter Killers are Europen?
For the most part, its only eurasians/euruskans.
How'd you have that beak looking helmet on Mask Man in the pre early access, was it attachments, a prestige thing, or just an early build skin?
Every time you die with a character, their cosmetics change. I've gotten beakie a few times.
@@grimgrahamch.4157 I've been shaman mostly, never even noticed him change. I like the look of Beakie
i think if you fill all your containers they'll spawn in.
The item being Id'd I guess is a makeshift already been searched
When you say you want to level the SVD to level 9 for the scope, what exactly does that mean? Does it allow you to mount that scope? The ability to purchase it somewhere?
You can level guns up to unlock attachments
@@infosneakr Okay, I figured it out. Its the ability to purchase the attachments at the vendors thats level locked. Got it, thanks
Wait, are the neural links what proc the Hunter-Killers to come after you?! I got SO frustrated on this map after looting a few boxes and getting instantly swarmed with nothing but the surplus rifle and shotgun in my hands.
That's one of the things that essentially always triggers them on taking, yes.
@@Sorain1 cool. Any and all info on that mechanic helps immensely, as those are the number one reason I die on a run.
I keep dying on this map... and the EuAsia Faction really doesn't like me....
ride the wave dude. your calling is to be a SCAV
18:50 you didn't hear them because they spawned right on top of you
i hope they make them not spawn infinitely or at least if they could not insta lock on you and they had to spot you it will make them feel more immersive and fair... right now i will avoid all the items that trigger them like you said .
My issues has been with the unlimited spawns they have, since I've had moments where I've been near extract and had a hunter killer spawn a mere few meters away from me
If I drank every time you said hunter killer I'd go blind lol playing but I'd mix it up and say HK from time to time
18:51 they just spawned on top of your ass
Why would going in with nothing be bad? That's been my strat so far... take nothing and sprint 😅
Yup, probably would have not bought the game if it didnt have single player. Tried 2 coop matches out of lag curiosity and got into several firefights in each run because of the other scav opening fire, plus ended up with less loot value.
I think the reason is the value of thing you carry. When you have a lot of stuff you'll be seen as a valuable target, or you're deemed a threat to forces enough to send a hunting party to you. To put it short, try to not shoot everyone, try to not loot everything? Don't even have clue man...
DEINSTALLED my time is worth Something to me.
19:00
That's because they spawned ontop of you.
Meh, I really want to buy this game but there simply seems to be way too many issues going on right now - this being one of them.
iF I hAdN'T of PlaYeD iT sOlO I woUlD hAVe tHoUGhT iT waS a PIlE oF ShIT
It's early access bro. Not even really early access, more like early alpha access.
Calm the fuck down.
Mofo would look at DaVinci painting, and 40 seconds in be complaining about how there's no hands yet.
No, you calm the fuck down. Thats the moment we point whats to be done. Wtf you are doing?
if you had actually bothered to listen instead of jumping to the comments section as soon as you heard pile of shit you would of heard i was talking about pre early access coop, i literally said pre early access in the video...when the coop was bugged to fuck and we couldn't have a single game without everything going wrong in some way or another...
@@RozKil consider not engaging with such muppets
Please tell me this is satire, OP. Because it's downright hilarious that's what you got from his video. It's like you were watching a film in Spanish and somehow your brain decoded it into Swahili.