I won't call him an antagonist, but I won't call him a hero either, he's a tragic character. I think Ann's the one who said what he really was, and I agree with her: He's that one victim that the Phantom Thieves failed to save.
@@gtoyadhatagyab8013 He was in the main game the third semester he was an ally but most of the Thieves still don't like him. The dudes clearly not a good dude. He is a murderer after all. The backstory doesn't justify the actions.
@@Lord_Helix Yes you're right I don't deny that, and I'm not justifying his past actions if that's what you're thinking, but I don't deny his last action either. All I'm saying is that he didn't die as an antagonist, he was an antagonist throughout the the game, but he didn't die as one, he helped the phantom thieves in the end, that's all.
Honestly, Ryuji and Akechi are more similar in their backgrounds than I thought, considering Ryuji may have became a similar sort of person if his mom died as a result of his dad.
You're kinda thinking in the wrong direction. Replace ryuji with yusuke and you got it right. Yusuke's mom died because of his father figure, his father figure abused him in some way. Very similar to akechi. Ryuji? Not so much. His mom is still alive and well. No-one knows where his dead is but he should be alive as well. Yusuke even says that exact thing in Royal. He says he could've become a similar person like Akechi if the phantom thieves weren't there to help him out.
@@dennisleonardo2992 Oh Yusuke definitely shares a lot more in common with Akechi than most of the other PTs. I was just noting that Ryuji is also a foil to Akechi had his mother survived. To keep on rambling: There's a major theme with Persona 5 that often gets overlooked in discussions: fatherhood and the absence of it. Ironically, this more traditionalist theme about the need for a male role model is where it hits it's stride in terms of the actual conflict between failed authority figures and the people that they've failed. Basically every character in P5 have been strongly influenced by their father figures to varying degrees. For a game that's all about rebellion, I'm really glad it had the nuance to say that one must still take responsibility for the things in their lives and not completely abandon it. It perfectly reflects the literary idea of a 'phantom thief' as a "civilized criminal." The alternative would of lacked any interesting discussion and would easily feel outdated--much like Ninja Theory's DmC: Devil May Cry reboot, which tackled similar ideas about rebellion.
Listen, I know Akechi killed people, a lot of people, but I feel bad for the guy when reading his backstory and listening to this, I don't think he is a hero or anything, but he is a good antagonist because he isn't just an antagonist, he is a person beforehand, I know his redemption cutscene in P5 feels kinda rushed but I like that he isn't 100% evil and actually cared about you in the end(Justice Rank 10)
@@Rutawind Akechi killing people is bad, we all know that, but it doesn't change the fact the guy's extremely mentally unstable and is why he killed people. Akechi has the potential to be good, and that's what makes him all the more tragic.
@@littenfire3563 I agree. It's even more sad when you think about the fact that even if he wanted to change and be good, he would still have to pay for his crimes and it'd be weird for the phantom thieves to have him on their team again when he already betrayed them and even "killed" their leader before.
JP Gutierrrez no he doesn’t say these exact lines but he mentions his mother in the Leblanc scene and during his new confidant but that part wasn’t voiced.
This is even worse after getting extra details in Royal, knowing that his mom worked in a brothel when he was little and would send him out of the house whenever she had to bring a man home… makes me wonder how she died, and how akechi figured out his father was shido in the first place.
To be fair Kamoshida is more disgusting than evil and most of his victims can still recover even if not fully, Shido's victims on the other hand since most of them had mental shutdown
@@windofchaosblows I’d still say Kamoshida is evil for abusing and sexually assaulting an entire class but I’m glad we agree that Shido is the worst While Kamoshida just abused and sexually assaulted people, Shido . Got a woman pregnant with Akechi which led to her being shamed into suicide which in turn made Akechi go mad. . Killed Wakaba for her research and forged a fake suicide note which mentally scarred Futaba. . Became the mastermind behind the mental shutdowns and psychotic breakdowns to both please business partners and become Prime Minister. . Got the police to screw with the protagonist’s life for stopping his attempt at forcing himself onto a woman. . Did business with fellow scumbags Madarame and Kaneshiro.
I hated Akechi in Persona 5. Yeah, he had a bad childhood, yeah he was trying to get revenge on his dad, and yeah he was mentally ill. But I still hated him. I thought he was tolerable once he sacrificed himself to Shiro, but otherwise I still strongly disliked him. Royal drastically changed my perspective. Akechi was trying to overturn Maruki's reality for selfish reasons, but I also remember that he willingly turned himself in in place of Joker. For however many murders he committed, it is likely he could have been sentenced to death. There was never going to be a good ending for Akechi; he was going to either die by Shido's hand, rot away in prison or be killed by the law, remain a puppet with no free will for the rest of his life, or die helping the Phantom Thieves. Akechi is not innocent in the slightest. He deserves to be tried by the law and receive the consequences of his actions. It was his choice to kill regardless of his mental state, and there is no denying that. But I would not necessarily call Akechi a bad person. He obviously experiences a lack of remorse or empathy towards others, but he still makes it obvious that he wants to change. He shows that he is willing to pay for his actions, and although he did gain personal satisfaction and achievement for doing so, you can't deny that both his sacrifice in Shido's palace and Maruki's that they were equally as selfless as they were selfish. The reason why I love Akechi so much is because of how he is such a paradox in his own character. Both friendly and antisocial, both honest and manipulative, both selfish and selfless. He didn't deserve the hand he was dealt in life, and if he had been raised differently, he likely would have lived to be a great man.
you said it perfectly holy shit. i hated him in a more humorous way until shido's palace and i've gotta admit i was sad that he died. he's a shitty person and has made irreversible mistakes but his character has so much more to it and i love that 😭. you can be the shittiest person but if your character is well written i'm simping
@JoelPerry1 Technically speaking, Maruki was inadvertently holding Akechi's existence hostage. Should the Thieves free everyone fron Maruki's control, Akechi would return to being dead as he was in the true reality. If the Thieves chose Maruki as ruler, he would remain alive in a world Akechi despised as he saw it as living under someone's thumb. He didn't want to die, but he refused to live by another's permission
bsmusic he talked about his mom both when he first went to Leblanc and in the palace you fight him in. He just didn't mention her when they were first planning to go into the casino palace and that's what this was recorded for
If he ever had a generous little sibling or even a compassionate girlfriend (even if he prefers the "reserved and distant" type), they would heal his emotions with a simple "I love you", therefore, the storm of his hatred would start fading into a calm sky of hope. Sure, he needs to rehabilitate legally for his murders, but his personal pain can only be repaired with warmth and empathy.
Yeah but it wasn't these lines either. He mentions the bathhouse and his mom working in the nightlife industry in rank 6, but these don't mention any of that
He spoke of his mom in-game, but this another take that was meant for later on in the game than in the final. The final had it during his confidant while this take was with the other audio files for his first meeting at leblanc with the PTs after the festival.
A bonafide anti hero you see in anime,i can't blame him for his hatred towards shido,but if akechi found some measure of peace and would let it all go He'd make something of himself in the world,he already has the intelligence to carry himself in the legal/law enforcement profession After all living well is the ultimate revenge
I wonder what the first line is about?? In vanilla and Royal we hear most of the others but in a diffrent tone but enevr the 1st one. It's always made me wonder what the context of that line was used in
I think an expanded redemption arc (perhaps optional, as a means of seeing if your own protagonist has it in them to forgive him), would be a good idea regardless.
No, he doesn't. It's completely different dialog. He talks about his mother, yes, but this and that are completely different. This doesn't even mention his mom being in the nightlife business, like it does in P5R.
Did Akechi kill a bunch of people? Yes. Was it of his own accord? Most likely not. How do I know? Well it says in his bio that he was abused, manipulated and gas lighted by Shido after he (Akechi) approached him. Shido got him to do exactly what he wanted and Akechi couldnt back out of it and find a different way to get what he wanted most likely due to a few reasons. He didnt have a real support system, he thought he had the upper hand, he was ambitious, and he had Loki driving him into madness. Which is why he is so unhinged by the time we fight him in Shido's palace. If he had awoken Robin hood much earlier in his life than at Okumura's palace he most likely would of never been driven to such madness because he would of had a balance. I also think he had a palace as there is cut content of him having one in Royal edition (i believe between Sae-San's and Shido's) and Loki was exacerbating the issues Akechi already was having. Is he still guilty? Technically yes but also no. He had to do what he did to survive. Shido had power and connections that could of easily taken out Akechi in the real world if he stepped one foot out of line. TLDR: I love Akechi and I will fight for him till my bitter end
Shido was only able to manipulate Akechi because Akechi wanted to cause harm in the first place. He wasn't some innocent victim. The lives he stole were no consequence to him if he was able to punish daddy at the end of it all. All Shido had to do was act as if he was vulnerable to Akechi. Akechi was motivated by hatred. Loki is simply a representation of Akechi's psyche. A mask he wears. It didn't alter his mentality. And Akechi could have backed out at any time. He could have initiated a change of heart just as the Phantom Thieves do and thus Shido would have called off whatever group that might threaten Akechi. But a change of heart was never enough for Akechi. Akechi wanted to kill people so that he could punish daddy personally. It's cool to like Akechi but don't abdicate his culpability to those around him. Akechi is as guilty as they come.
@@xxProjectJxx imma take this bit by bit. 1: yes Akechi was motivated by hatred towards his father. He wanted to cause harm to Shido, not to others. He wanted to be a hero to others which is stated in some way in Royal. Shido was always going to be multiple steps ahead of Akechi and knew how to manipulate him. 2: Loki wasnt awoken like Robin Hood was, he doesnt truly represent anything. He was *given* to Akechi by Yaldabaeoth (I think I spelt that right), and Loki's ability is to drive this mad while also strengthening them. We see Akechi do it to shadows and then himself when we fight him. 3: Akechi couldnt of really backed out at any time. Once you're in too deep with something it's incredibly difficult to pull yourself back out. He didnt have a proper support system to help him like that who knew the full story and it was difficult for him to do it on his own. He may have also felt that he didnt have a choice but to see it through to the end because nothing else mattered. 4: I'm not trying to clear him of all guilt. I'm just simply trying to explain why he could of possibly done what he did with the information I could find. I know he isnt innocent but that isnt going to stop me from loving him as a character. He is incredibly well written and we dont get alot of it.
@@nichotamer9418 that's cool. Like him all you want. I like Persona 4's Adachi even though he is an indefensible shit. But the same is true of Akechi IMO. I just don't like when people act as if Akechi isn't 100% responsible for his own wrongdoing, y'know. And idk man. Loki isn't an external force. Yaldabaoth awakened it in Akechi, he didn't give it to him. It still comes from within Akechi. Akechi controls what he turns mad with Loki and when.
@@xxProjectJxx oh. No I understand that. People who try and absolve him fully are a bit much. I wasnt tryna do that. Idk much about the other persona games tho. Persona 5 and its variants (persona 5 strikers, royal and dancing game) are the only ones I've hyperfixated on
He does, but this is them having planned to do it in another scene instead of that one. It's just a different take for a different scenario, but a bit of a different story since he adds just a bit
To be fair. He's like 50% an antagonist and a villain, but 50% a friendly protagonist. He may have been an evil culprit behind these psychotic breakdowns and mental shutdowns. But, when you hear his backstory about his mother. You realise you cared for him as well he cares for you over his loss.
I wish that one character got an abusive mother figure and an Idea I had was for it was the mother figure to be nice most of the time but just give way too much punishment for anything in that the character is torn they love their mom but don't want to live like this. lol anyone like it.
Is he a terrible person? Yes
Will i forever love him? Also yes
"He's a war criminal!"
"Aren't we all"
I agree, he's a terrible person, but I'll always love him
He did unforgivable things but I really like his character. This always happens to me, I don't really know why...
BUT, i'm not complaining though. 👏
i personally agree with everything hes done
@@adachivineboom it's because akechi is a well written character, if not one of the best written characters of p5
I won't call him an antagonist, but I won't call him a hero either, he's a tragic character.
I think Ann's the one who said what he really was, and I agree with her: He's that one victim that the Phantom Thieves failed to save.
He is an antagonist though. Antagonist means somebody who opposes the protag, and that's what he is
@@Lord_Helix He was.
Then Royal happened.
@@gtoyadhatagyab8013 He was in the main game the third semester he was an ally but most of the Thieves still don't like him. The dudes clearly not a good dude. He is a murderer after all. The backstory doesn't justify the actions.
@@Lord_Helix Yes you're right I don't deny that, and I'm not justifying his past actions if that's what you're thinking, but I don't deny his last action either.
All I'm saying is that he didn't die as an antagonist, he was an antagonist throughout the the game, but he didn't die as one, he helped the phantom thieves in the end, that's all.
An antagonist is just the person the protagonist fights. That doesn’t mean they have to be evil, it just means they need to oppose the main character.
HOW DO YOU HUG A FICTIONAL CHARACTER FROM YOUR COMPUTER SCREEN?? 😤
Hug the screen
No, don't do that. He'll work it out.
TELL ME HOW
OMG YES HOW?!!!
Honestly, Ryuji and Akechi are more similar in their backgrounds than I thought, considering Ryuji may have became a similar sort of person if his mom died as a result of his dad.
You're kinda thinking in the wrong direction. Replace ryuji with yusuke and you got it right. Yusuke's mom died because of his father figure, his father figure abused him in some way. Very similar to akechi. Ryuji? Not so much. His mom is still alive and well. No-one knows where his dead is but he should be alive as well.
Yusuke even says that exact thing in Royal. He says he could've become a similar person like Akechi if the phantom thieves weren't there to help him out.
@@dennisleonardo2992 Oh Yusuke definitely shares a lot more in common with Akechi than most of the other PTs. I was just noting that Ryuji is also a foil to Akechi had his mother survived.
To keep on rambling:
There's a major theme with Persona 5 that often gets overlooked in discussions: fatherhood and the absence of it. Ironically, this more traditionalist theme about the need for a male role model is where it hits it's stride in terms of the actual conflict between failed authority figures and the people that they've failed. Basically every character in P5 have been strongly influenced by their father figures to varying degrees. For a game that's all about rebellion, I'm really glad it had the nuance to say that one must still take responsibility for the things in their lives and not completely abandon it. It perfectly reflects the literary idea of a 'phantom thief' as a "civilized criminal." The alternative would of lacked any interesting discussion and would easily feel outdated--much like Ninja Theory's DmC: Devil May Cry reboot, which tackled similar ideas about rebellion.
Listen, I know Akechi killed people, a lot of people, but I feel bad for the guy when reading his backstory and listening to this, I don't think he is a hero or anything, but he is a good antagonist because he isn't just an antagonist, he is a person beforehand, I know his redemption cutscene in P5 feels kinda rushed but I like that he isn't 100% evil and actually cared about you in the end(Justice Rank 10)
Try feeling bad for the people he killed instead.
@@Rutawind Like father like son
@@Rutawind i feel bad for Akechi more than Akechi because Akechi killed Akechi and Akechi did nothing wrong to Akechi
@@Rutawind Akechi killing people is bad, we all know that, but it doesn't change the fact the guy's extremely mentally unstable and is why he killed people. Akechi has the potential to be good, and that's what makes him all the more tragic.
@@littenfire3563 I agree. It's even more sad when you think about the fact that even if he wanted to change and be good, he would still have to pay for his crimes and it'd be weird for the phantom thieves to have him on their team again when he already betrayed them and even "killed" their leader before.
Someone send this to atlus we need a scene for this in persona 5 crimson
VA gamer that or this could be be used for a confidant link
I'm pretty sure they are aware of the cut content of the game they developed
phenompy LMAO
close enough, got the title wrong but everything else is on point
Persona 5 Crimson OMG XD I laughed so hard, They sadly made it Royal, but I wish it were Crimson, Just like P4 Golden
This is gonna be used in P5 Royal probably
You were right, congrats
@@amasutum8198 Holy shit
Yoooo
I think it was redubbed and changed slightly, as this isn't how I remember hearing it in royal, but yeah, it is in.
Horray for royal
*feels heart breaking* Oh, Akechi....I want to hug him so badly! Damn Akechi went to depressing level....
...I’m good, thanks-
@@goroakechi6126 anyone with depression says that , boi you need therapy(just like me).
@@Kairyuasahi
I know, I am getting therapy
This was used in 5R. Pretty Awesome that they used these lines
No it wasnt
Margaret Williams I literally just played through the part when he said these lines
@@featherrwbyrnjr he says it
JP Gutierrrez no he doesn’t say these exact lines but he mentions his mother in the Leblanc scene and during his new confidant but that part wasn’t voiced.
@@aegis5678 I literally thought I heard this but then I realised I have a shit ton of mods in my game and so that's why it's probably heard
When you suppose to be mama's boy but remembered shes dead
im so glad they expanded on his character in royal. Yeah i know he killed people but god damn hes SUCH a good written character
Rip Justice Arcana mother's
We're three in a row at this point.
every fanfic or headcanon i know perceives his mom as an asshole, but i like to think she was the only source of comfort he had growing up.
This is even worse after getting extra details in Royal, knowing that his mom worked in a brothel when he was little and would send him out of the house whenever she had to bring a man home… makes me wonder how she died, and how akechi figured out his father was shido in the first place.
Congrats to Shido for somehow being the most evil character in the same game as Kamoshida
To be fair Kamoshida is more disgusting than evil and most of his victims can still recover even if not fully, Shido's victims on the other hand since most of them had mental shutdown
@@windofchaosblows I’d still say Kamoshida is evil for abusing and sexually assaulting an entire class but I’m glad we agree that Shido is the worst
While Kamoshida just abused and sexually assaulted people, Shido
. Got a woman pregnant with Akechi which led to her being shamed into suicide which in turn made Akechi go mad.
. Killed Wakaba for her research and forged a fake suicide note which mentally scarred Futaba.
. Became the mastermind behind the mental shutdowns and psychotic breakdowns to both please business partners and become Prime Minister.
. Got the police to screw with the protagonist’s life for stopping his attempt at forcing himself onto a woman.
. Did business with fellow scumbags Madarame and Kaneshiro.
I hated Akechi in Persona 5. Yeah, he had a bad childhood, yeah he was trying to get revenge on his dad, and yeah he was mentally ill. But I still hated him. I thought he was tolerable once he sacrificed himself to Shiro, but otherwise I still strongly disliked him.
Royal drastically changed my perspective. Akechi was trying to overturn Maruki's reality for selfish reasons, but I also remember that he willingly turned himself in in place of Joker. For however many murders he committed, it is likely he could have been sentenced to death. There was never going to be a good ending for Akechi; he was going to either die by Shido's hand, rot away in prison or be killed by the law, remain a puppet with no free will for the rest of his life, or die helping the Phantom Thieves.
Akechi is not innocent in the slightest. He deserves to be tried by the law and receive the consequences of his actions. It was his choice to kill regardless of his mental state, and there is no denying that.
But I would not necessarily call Akechi a bad person. He obviously experiences a lack of remorse or empathy towards others, but he still makes it obvious that he wants to change. He shows that he is willing to pay for his actions, and although he did gain personal satisfaction and achievement for doing so, you can't deny that both his sacrifice in Shido's palace and Maruki's that they were equally as selfless as they were selfish.
The reason why I love Akechi so much is because of how he is such a paradox in his own character. Both friendly and antisocial, both honest and manipulative, both selfish and selfless. He didn't deserve the hand he was dealt in life, and if he had been raised differently, he likely would have lived to be a great man.
You're absolutely right, I'm giving a standing ovation
you said it perfectly holy shit. i hated him in a more humorous way until shido's palace and i've gotta admit i was sad that he died. he's a shitty person and has made irreversible mistakes but his character has so much more to it and i love that 😭. you can be the shittiest person but if your character is well written i'm simping
Was it willing? I thought it was Maruki's manipulation. And that's why he was so angry with Maruki.
@JoelPerry1 Technically speaking, Maruki was inadvertently holding Akechi's existence hostage. Should the Thieves free everyone fron Maruki's control, Akechi would return to being dead as he was in the true reality. If the Thieves chose Maruki as ruler, he would remain alive in a world Akechi despised as he saw it as living under someone's thumb. He didn't want to die, but he refused to live by another's permission
@@AdiG1 well I was talking about Akechi turning himself in. I thought that was Maruki trying to help Joker out
Glad there 's more stuff with him in Royal.
Is Akechi a good person:? No.
Is he a good character? Absolutely, and that's why I love him, as a character.
Poor akechi
Must have been when Ann asks her: "Why do you seek justice?" Because of his response "I'd say it's for my mother"
For some reason I clicked on this expecting Akechi to sound like a mom
Is this unused? Could have sworn that I'd heard it before.
bsmusic he talked about his mom both when he first went to Leblanc and in the palace you fight him in. He just didn't mention her when they were first planning to go into the casino palace and that's what this was recorded for
He definitely said the one about shido discarding of her.
I think this line was used in Royal.
I think it was in leblanc where he first talked about his mother and why he hates criminals.
If he ever had a generous little sibling or even a compassionate girlfriend (even if he prefers the "reserved and distant" type), they would heal his emotions with a simple "I love you", therefore, the storm of his hatred would start fading into a calm sky of hope. Sure, he needs to rehabilitate legally for his murders, but his personal pain can only be repaired with warmth and empathy.
Yay
He said this in rank 6 in p5r, but it wasn't voiced.
Yeah but it wasn't these lines either. He mentions the bathhouse and his mom working in the nightlife industry in rank 6, but these don't mention any of that
A couple of years later, they finally added this in Royal as part of Pancake boi's social link. Why was this even recommended to me-
This isn't in P5R. Different lines. Different conversation.
THE FEELSSS
I CANT HANDLE IT
AAARRGGHHH PROTECC THIS BOOIII
I hope one day akechi will came back as a friend, a true friend
he better not be in an antagonist in Q2.
He isn't dont worry 💘
his voice sounds so sad
He's my favorite character, not a good person. No, I'm not brainwashed!
Glad they put this in royal
Its not
yeah he’s a mama’s boy his reason for plotting against his father was to get revenge for what happened to her
wait this is unused? I could've sworn I heard Akechi talking about his mom in the game
He did, but this is a different recording for a different part of the game that went unused.
this is in P5R
Actually, these lines seem to have been added to Royal!
No they weren't
@@featherrwbyrnjr yes they were but there's no dialogue voice
akechi is pancake boi and i will love him forever even though he fucking kills joker
To think this dialogue was similar to what happened in the Anime
I could have sworn I heard him say that IN-game... but idk.
He spoke of his mom in-game, but this another take that was meant for later on in the game than in the final. The final had it during his confidant while this take was with the other audio files for his first meeting at leblanc with the PTs after the festival.
@@featherrwbyrnjr Ah, I see. Well then, I suppose this case has now come to a close ;)
My heart!
A bonafide anti hero you see in anime,i can't blame him for his hatred towards shido,but if akechi found some measure of peace and would let it all go
He'd make something of himself in the world,he already has the intelligence to carry himself in the legal/law enforcement profession
After all living well is the ultimate revenge
I wonder what the first line is about?? In vanilla and Royal we hear most of the others but in a diffrent tone but enevr the 1st one. It's always made me wonder what the context of that line was used in
If there is a femc in a p5 remake Atlus pls make a option to save akechi.
I think an expanded redemption arc (perhaps optional, as a means of seeing if your own protagonist has it in them to forgive him), would be a good idea regardless.
@@robbieroberts1973 nah i wanna bone all the dudes
there were p5 scramble and p5 royal. it seems like a no femc.
I hate that I love him, because no matter the reason I love him, some random asshole is going to try and make me feel bad for liking him anyway
Laughs in P5R
Must hug the sad pancake boy
I think they ended up using this in Royal, if so it’d cool to find out it was also in the original
No they didnt
Margaret Williams oh must’ve just reminded me of a similar scene
@@Sacks0314 They did use this in Royal, I got this video recommended to me AFTER hearing it in Royal
Whoa, is my hatred actually going down for this character? 😦
as soon as he got his redemption he fuckin dies
WHY DOES EVERY PERSONA 5 CHARACTER HAVE PARENT PROBLEMS
Because social outcasts, honestly Ann is the only one with a healthy relationship with her parents, they just aren't home for work
I mean, Ryuji had a bond with mother, and Futaba's in Sojiro's care now, so at least they have a parental figure at all. ¯\(°_o)/¯
This was used after all in Persona 5 Royal after this post. Interesting!
No it wasn't. This is just a different version of what was already in Vanilla.
I swear I heard that in game wdym unused
He says these lines in Persona 5 Royal if you invite him to the public baths with you.
No, he doesn't. It's completely different dialog. He talks about his mother, yes, but this and that are completely different. This doesn't even mention his mom being in the nightlife business, like it does in P5R.
Did Akechi kill a bunch of people? Yes. Was it of his own accord? Most likely not. How do I know? Well it says in his bio that he was abused, manipulated and gas lighted by Shido after he (Akechi) approached him. Shido got him to do exactly what he wanted and Akechi couldnt back out of it and find a different way to get what he wanted most likely due to a few reasons. He didnt have a real support system, he thought he had the upper hand, he was ambitious, and he had Loki driving him into madness. Which is why he is so unhinged by the time we fight him in Shido's palace.
If he had awoken Robin hood much earlier in his life than at Okumura's palace he most likely would of never been driven to such madness because he would of had a balance. I also think he had a palace as there is cut content of him having one in Royal edition (i believe between Sae-San's and Shido's) and Loki was exacerbating the issues Akechi already was having.
Is he still guilty? Technically yes but also no. He had to do what he did to survive. Shido had power and connections that could of easily taken out Akechi in the real world if he stepped one foot out of line.
TLDR: I love Akechi and I will fight for him till my bitter end
Shido was only able to manipulate Akechi because Akechi wanted to cause harm in the first place. He wasn't some innocent victim. The lives he stole were no consequence to him if he was able to punish daddy at the end of it all. All Shido had to do was act as if he was vulnerable to Akechi. Akechi was motivated by hatred.
Loki is simply a representation of Akechi's psyche. A mask he wears. It didn't alter his mentality.
And Akechi could have backed out at any time. He could have initiated a change of heart just as the Phantom Thieves do and thus Shido would have called off whatever group that might threaten Akechi. But a change of heart was never enough for Akechi. Akechi wanted to kill people so that he could punish daddy personally.
It's cool to like Akechi but don't abdicate his culpability to those around him. Akechi is as guilty as they come.
@@xxProjectJxx imma take this bit by bit.
1: yes Akechi was motivated by hatred towards his father. He wanted to cause harm to Shido, not to others. He wanted to be a hero to others which is stated in some way in Royal. Shido was always going to be multiple steps ahead of Akechi and knew how to manipulate him.
2: Loki wasnt awoken like Robin Hood was, he doesnt truly represent anything. He was *given* to Akechi by Yaldabaeoth (I think I spelt that right), and Loki's ability is to drive this mad while also strengthening them. We see Akechi do it to shadows and then himself when we fight him.
3: Akechi couldnt of really backed out at any time. Once you're in too deep with something it's incredibly difficult to pull yourself back out. He didnt have a proper support system to help him like that who knew the full story and it was difficult for him to do it on his own. He may have also felt that he didnt have a choice but to see it through to the end because nothing else mattered.
4: I'm not trying to clear him of all guilt. I'm just simply trying to explain why he could of possibly done what he did with the information I could find. I know he isnt innocent but that isnt going to stop me from loving him as a character. He is incredibly well written and we dont get alot of it.
@@nichotamer9418 that's cool. Like him all you want. I like Persona 4's Adachi even though he is an indefensible shit. But the same is true of Akechi IMO. I just don't like when people act as if Akechi isn't 100% responsible for his own wrongdoing, y'know.
And idk man. Loki isn't an external force. Yaldabaoth awakened it in Akechi, he didn't give it to him. It still comes from within Akechi. Akechi controls what he turns mad with Loki and when.
@@xxProjectJxx oh. No I understand that. People who try and absolve him fully are a bit much. I wasnt tryna do that.
Idk much about the other persona games tho. Persona 5 and its variants (persona 5 strikers, royal and dancing game) are the only ones I've hyperfixated on
Cuuute
*_LOKIIIIIIII!_*
these were used in royals confidant
No they werent
*smiles in royal*
They added this clip in Royal
No they didn't. Completely different
Yes they did you not pay attention to anything working on Akechi's confidant ranks.
@@featherrwbyrnjr i can actually confirm that it is.
Pretty sure he tells you this if u talk to him at leblanc while hes having coffee
He does, but this is them having planned to do it in another scene instead of that one. It's just a different take for a different scenario, but a bit of a different story since he adds just a bit
This is in royal now
No its not
Margaret Williams yes it is
They used it in royal
To be fair. He's like 50% an antagonist and a villain, but 50% a friendly protagonist.
He may have been an evil culprit behind these psychotic breakdowns and mental shutdowns. But, when you hear his backstory about his mother. You realise you cared for him as well he cares for you over his loss.
Hey! It’s used now!
No its not
Margaret Williams Persona 5 Royal it is, right after futuba’s palace where he entered LeBlanc
Yes it is.
BEST
BOY
I think this was used in the anime (I forgot what episode though)
"I was born with glass bones and paper skin-"
Akechi has mommy issues
They add a similar one in p5 royal
:(
LEMME HUG HIM AHHH
Uuuuh... This line was used
No it was not
@@featherrwbyrnjr yeah it was
@@featherrwbyrnjr it was only in royal
the lines aren't in p5r, but the scene is!!
The scene was in the original too......
I remember hearing these lines in P5r.
Na-na-ni-na-não.
I wish that one character got an abusive mother figure and an Idea I had was for it was the mother figure to be nice most of the time but just give way too much punishment for anything in that the character is torn they love their mom but don't want to live like this. lol anyone like it.
This makes me hate Shido even more.
Among Us
*LOUD AND UNHOLY SCREAMING*
the only thing akechi did wrong was apologize
Pancockz
If I remember correctly, this was included in the anime...
No it wasnt
i feel bad but he's a terrible person. great character, but.... e
cringe & red pilled