Is Your Flight School Scamming You? | Watch Out for these Scams
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- Опубликовано: 19 май 2024
- Picking a Flight School is difficult as a new student to the world of aviation it can be scary. In today’s video we discuss 6 things you need to be on the look out for when picking your flight school.
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My flight school sells you mandatory “jet transition course” where they teach you “how to Fly” an A320. You had to complete the course during your IFR training and you needed to pay it ahead before starting your PPL. It costs almost $6000 and all you ended up with was cheap diploma that said “you had satisfactorily completed the course” and that’s it! That’s the moment that you realize you paid $6000 for a course that is not valid anywhere.
That is terrible, we don't see how that would actually benefit students unless they would help you find a position flying a A320! Big scam, thanks for sharing your story cn1997!
Happens all the time especially to foreign students.
Wow! I honestly didn’t think there was scams like that 💀 if that’s probably not the only thing they’re being dishonest about
Wow that's scary
I know what school you're talking about, you also forgot to mention that if for any reason you have to retire from that flight school before going to the "Jet transition course", you won't get the money back... it is the only flight school in KTMB airport that offers that A320 scam, they also offer the same program for the 737. I can write a book with all the bad things this school has. Be aware.
Unfortunately a lot of areas you only have 1 flight school option
I think if you can afford flight school you can afford to travel to your choice of school.
@@Estiallina I only really had one option where I lived. My training turned out to be great but I had to put aside an 3 hours every time I wanted to fly. I was in high school doing sports and had a job so that was a lot. I couldn’t travel to some of the farther away schools.
@@Estiallina so you spend more money 😅
Oh man, literally all your points are spot on and also shamefully my previous flight school will try to pull that off on literally all their customers, I quit after getting harassed by the owner because I told the students the truth.
I'd add having a different flight instructor is good for learning. Holes in the first repertoire can be bridged by the second instructor in the same way phase cross-checks are terrific.
Great answer! Gaining different perspectives could be the enabler in learning a difficult concept!
As a former CFI I can say buyer beware. One of the best ways to insure you have a good CFI is to look up the phone number of a DPE (designated pilot examiner). Ask around and find the busiest pilot examiner in your area. Then call him up and ask him who the best students he’s seen are coming from. Don’t assume your school/CFI is legit just because you have an experienced instructor. Some of the worst abuses of students and their pocketbooks I have seen have been the “old expert” pilot. Ask your CFI how many checkrides he’s had in the last year. If the number is less than 5 you’re probably not getting your money’s worth. Do you want to be some new instructors Guinie pig? Ask to talk to some of their prior students. Ask them how many hours they had at Checkride. Ask the CFI if they have ever had a failure. Some of the best pilots out there are also some of the worst CFIs. Don’t assume a young kid is a bad CFI. Many of them will get you done faster and better than an “old expert”. Because they know the process. It’s best if you can fly with several CFIs during the process. Don’t go looking for a cheap instructor. This is an area where you don’t want to skimp.
Thanks for the insights buzzypeterson! Great points you have made! Usually, price of an instructor is indicative of their instructional skills. But that's certainly not always the case. Figuring out your needs is a good place to start. What is your opinion if money is a huge factor for new pilots? Should they consider a newer low-cost CFI vs a high-quality high-cost CFI?
If you want to go to a good flight school, ask the instructor that’s doing the discovery flight how much they make and do they get paid per hour or flight hour. Some schools only pay 25hr but they pay 25hr for grounds and flight hours where most of them can work 8-10hrs everyday. Others pay as little as 18hr only when the plane is on! If the school pays 35-45hr to the instructor your getting good training (the CFI salary will not reflect on what you pay!) I’ve been to both mom n pop schools and one of the most expensive schools in the states. The most expensive one paid the least but charged students the most. The small mom n pop was the least expensive and paid their instructors the most lol.
Almost 2 years and 15k later, my son had 50 hours in and still short of requirements. I don’t know why it took me so long to bail on that school. Found a freelance CFI that is outstanding. Got him ready for his check ride in 2 weeks.
Wow 2 years, 15K and still short? Were they sitting on their hands? Glad you dumped them and found a CFI that works for you guys! 😁
Where did you find that cfi
@@StrictlySports months and months of searching, then just got lucky.
this video makes a very good point. I've been to about 5 different school; about to finish my PPL (finally!). School is a factor, but also if they have a chief instructor or not. School operating under part 61 are not required to have a chief flight instructor (I think, just part 141 are required), which can have CFI do whatever they want with each students (for example dropping you mid training because another student has started and uses their own plane, or similar unfair reasons). One school I was with had the owner acting as a "chief instructor". That was a really bad situation for any student because he's obviously biased (they don't have "any issues" with CFI, only "bad students" so you can't essentially discuss issues you have with a particular CFI). The owner is in business to make a profit, not to help any student. So I got thrown many different CFI at that school and ended up spending thousands of dollars for wasted training (CFI with no interest in you learning, little or wrong feedback). "Practice more your landing next week" or simply saying "use more rudder" is very poor feedback after you just spent $500 for a session. They also tried to convince me not to rent the cessna 152 ($99/h) but a more expensive DA40 instead ($200/h) by rendering less critical instruments inoperable on the 152 before my sessions, such as the turn coordinator or the attitude indicator couple of times on me, or the fuel sump cup missing, me walking to the hangar looking for the oil I needed. This obviously discouraged me while making me spend more money/time than I should overall. What you want in a school is a good reputation, multiple airplanes (I'd say 4 at least) of the type you want to use and a maintenance crew of their own so each squawk list is always taken care of in a timely manner. The schedule question is probably more tied to the CFI availability and the risk that your CFI bails on you, so better not to linger more than a couple months and to fly multiple times a week.
I did an intro flight with a school and the instructor seemed like a nice dude. When asked if I was gonna start training with them, I said maybe, that I was gonna check out the other school nearby. The response was, "You can go check them out too... but their helicopters are really old and poorly maintained. Heard a lot of bad things about them."
It almost worked at turning me away from checking out the other school, but luckily it didn't. I went to the other one and the instructor was awesome, the airport was a way better training environment, and I ended up getting my PPL there fairly quickly. When I asked that place how they felt about the first school I went to (didn't relay what they said) the answer was, "Oh yeah, those are great people over there, the airport is just a little more difficult to train at."
So yeah, make sure you shop around and talk to all the schools in your area no matter what they may say about each other. If one is bad mouthing a different one, it may be true, but always give it a look yourself.
Its definitely scary that some instructors will pass anyone. I was watching a flight training video the other day, where a CFI was working with his student to polish his landings before going for his first solo. They worked great together and the student was both receptive to instruction and got better with each touch and go. But while hes trying to learn, there another pilot in the air that has no clue where he is and tower has no clue where he is either. Sky is clear by the way. The other pilot keeps calling final, at three miles, then at five miles, yes in THAT order! Tower cant find him and he cant say or describe where he is. When they finally figured out where that plane was, he was on the oppiste side of the airport from where he said he was, on a completely different heading than what he said and not even in the pattern. It was never confirmed in the video but it was believed to be a student on their first solo. Imagine how dangerous that could have quickly became. It didnt seem like the pilot was disoriented, more so like he was 100% clueless. Eventually the CFI had to take the controls and valuable time from his student because they had to avoid an aircraft that no one could find.
Welcome to the sky!
Sounds like palmer Airport
My first flight school had me fly with 6 different instructors. Great from the standpoint of learning different things, BUT each one would basically have me start over. Other than log book (which they never looked at), there was no record of what I had done right or wrong. Between that and the shoddy maintenance got me to leave. My current school is awesome!
Sorry to hear that, but glad you're at a great school now! :)
My instructor is all about getting things done in the way that works the best for the student, which I think is pretty nice to have
That's great that he is student-oriented! We need more instructors that are student-first in the world.
My flight school was Aerotech. They are at KLNS. Matt, the owner is awesome. The school was very straight forward. No gimmicks. I never had issues with planes. I had my personal instructor, Dave Marino, He was fun, very clever and great at teaching. They discouraged you from buying more junk or training than you need or want. They asked me if I wanted IFR. I said no.. They said Ok.
On the supplied and equipment, especially with headphones, you should be able to shop around and, with inflation being what it is, everyone is jacking up prices, so when somebody tells you only 'X" will work, wave the BS flag and tell them you plan on shopping. If that affects the "hustle," go find another school. Great video, by the way. My flight training was exclusively military so if I wanted something "extra," damn right I shopped for it.
Thanks Doc! Thanks for sharing your story with the next generation of Pilots! 🤝
Tbf, being recommended the Bose headset was a good thing because they rock
@@saintjames1995 Yes they do
This is where I'm at in my process right now so this video was an awesome find! Thank you for putting this out there.
Glad it was helpful!
So thankful you addressed this subject. My experience unfortunately with instructors from academy's (sorry 😔) is this belittling effect that the instructor does to the student and I have seen it be so prevalent that I can only figure it's because they were belittled in their instruction and they feel that is how you teach. Getting your ppl , instrument and commercial is very expensive, so what the instructor really needs to learn is how to properly Teach and how to inspire the student which belittling does not. One technique that I really wish all instructors would do is after the student does a maneuver or pattern work and landing for the instructor to show the student how They perform the maneuver or pattern work much like what a coach would do with a player. The student can really learn a lot by watching and listening.
In addition , my recommendation for students is to have the mindset that you are the pilot in command. You fly the plane. If you are constantly listening to the instructor and adjusting to what the instructor says then the instructor is flying the plane not you. Tell your instructor to be quiet, take notes and when you are on the ground THEN the instructor can go over your flight.
Thanks again for going over this subject that no school addresses.
As someone who's considering exploring different options in getting certified; I had no idea what to look for in any capacity... this was incredibly helpful. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful! Check out some of our other videos if you haven't already! They should prove to be helpful :D
Excellent video! definitely wish videos like this were around when I started my license.
Thanks Alex! If you could share it with anybody that is looking for Flight Schools I'm sure they would be grateful for your help! 😄
Wow! It's been awhile since I've seen Nathan. He looks great. You two raised so many good points. Thanks.
He's also doing Great! Thanks for always watching we appreciate you!
Agree with almost everything. Definitely about the "promise" scams, the unnecessary supplies, the overdoing ground (know an instructor that would make kids memorize 1500 flashcards for their instrument), having a primary instructor, and most importantly availability of planes/instructor vs the ratio of students. That last point is huge in determining whether a student will be drug along based on "proficiency" before the checkride. Which in itself is a conversation on it's own, how "proficient" you need to be before a checkride. But one major element I disagree with in the video is the push to pursue an instrument license. I am a STRONG advocate to receive your instrument rating, anything beyond that is whatever, and I get the PPL does require some instrument training (why they can be safety pilots and recreational cant). However most private pilots have no understanding of instrument procedures whatsoever, and can often times when flying into airports interfere with someone shooting an approach to a runway. A private pilot landing on runway 12 wont realize what a King Air 360 means when they say "10 mile final ILS 30", then factor in the better piloting and other safety of trusting instruments that go along with it, it's a great rating to pursue.
Got my PPL at greenville aviation out of KGMU. Definitely recommend them. Almost done my IR there at the moment as well
I'm usually terrible on book work, but ground school was no issue. maybe being a mechanic helped. made it easy for me to visualize how everything works without having to look at it in person.
Yeah, that's an interesting path that you took! It seems to have paid off with ground school! If you don't mind us asking what led you to being a Mechanic first? Then what inspired you to pursue the Pilot career path?
It’s tricky finding ratings for a lot of schools, at least outside the US. I’m currently struggling because my school has left me without many flights. The difficulty is that it wasn’t an issue during the PPL phase, and I only got a sense of the problem when getting to further ratings like NVFR and MEIR and suddenly I can’t get the time I need. (They have taken on too many students recently, leading to a dramatic reduction in aircraft availability. They also suffered a few incidents and accidents that grounded some aircraft.)
Unfortunately I’ve noticed that some students are cagey about being honest because they’re afraid there could be repercussions for speaking their mind.
Great points in the video, though. It’s definitely worth investigating and asking all the questions you can about these points before committing to such a large investment
Sorry that happened to you Frantic Traveler, may your journey lead you to blue skies soon enough. ✈
I’m an instructor at my flying club and they just raised the prices for instruction but they didn’t raise the pay for the instructors. I have had nothing but terrible experiences at my 141 collegiate flight school I trained at and the flight school I’m now working at. To get a degree they force every pilot to become a CFI but they only have one person to teach it so it took me 3 semesters to get it done. Of course I failed my checkride first time around because I was only able to fly once a week at most. They were pushing a deadline over my head and told me to schedule with the DPE that’s known for failing everyone because if I didn’t, I would have to repeat and pay for the training again.
Sorry, that has happened to you! Hope you will get through soon enough. Remember the light at the end of the tunnel :) even if it may be difficult at times.
Also ask if instructors get some type of incentive. At my school instructors get an incentive depending on how many hours they work in a pay period. This makes instructors take advantage of the student by pumping up their pre/post time with their students.
Would you consider that to be a positive or negative factor in your training?
I consider a positive for the instructors but a negative for students. Before the incentive was introduced, typically the pre post would be .3 but now I’ve been seeing pre post being on average of .5-.7. Now I know most of the time instructors don’t spend 30-42 minutes with their students before and after the flight. How do I know? I work at the flight school.
At the end of the day find a instructor that cares about you and your education. Look out for the 1475 hour instructor that are all about the hours for ATP.
Yep, this is the way!
Cloudy days sold me on getting my instrument rating and I would have welcomed *any* push from instructors to get it!
What airplane is that behind you? Beautiful! Wholeheartedly agree with what you say. I have my PPL now, but my instructor was great! Stage checks are performed with a different instructor. I did my ground school online, but my instructor encouraged me to ask questions, which was great.
It's the "Piper Sport"... but initially began life as the Sport Cruiser (CZAW) straight outta Czechoslovakia. Really swift no frills airplane that just wants to fly. Low-maintenance Rotax 912 engine that sipped fuel (3.2 to 5.4 gph).
N524SC answered it! We wanted to chime in and confirm it is a SportCruiser!
Great information!
Glad it was helpful!
Shoot, I'm glad I found this video, for no reason other than figuring out what that call sign is floating around east DFW. I keep hearing "Briss", "Triss", "Trust", "Bruss", etc. hitting my home airport and HQZ. Now I know it's "THRUST"!
Finally, the unscratchable itch has been scratched...
Always a great feeling! 😁
Great video . Enjoyed it .
14 days guaranteed 😅.
I did my own ground . Bought my own plane, do all my annuals , IA signs them off. One man FBO here
Wow, that's great on you Mark! Any advice to those that may want to go your route?
@@ThrustFlight absolutely! It puts you into a complete mindset as to how to properly fly and care for an airplane. I recommend take the passion to a whole new level by aircraft ownership like that experimental you have or a vintage plane like an Ercoupe, older Cessna, Piper series. A lot of people get ratings in their own planes .
This is eye opening. I mean I'm paying a really good price at a really good school so I never knew about these scams. That is crazy.
Share it with any aviation friends you know, maybe they are getting ripped off!
When I was searching for a flight school earlier this year I first inquired about the one near me. They hit all the red flags from this video. They operate both 141 and 61; being they're associated with a school, but I only wanted the 61 side. The biggest factor for me dropping them after one ground lesson was the mandatory 54 hours of ground instruction....for part 61.... Good thing I was only out $170 ($100 was the enrollment fee, after I profusely refused their PPL "starter package" of $400) and not close to $20k if I decided to get my PPL with them.
Thanks for sharing Matt! Glad you didn't fall into their hands. What happened next?
@@ThrustFlight I went with a flight school 40mins away and have had nothing but good things about them. Great costs, availability and no BS associated. I hope to get my check ride completed next month.
I'm training in the UK and after watching this I realise I'm in a good flight school although massively struggling with the books
It's great that you know your strengths and weakness! Most people have it difficult time admitting it. So now you have more of a direction on what to work towards. Good Luck on your flight training Axon!
I had a nightmare with my flight school during my PPL thanks to an inexperienced instructor. Luckily made it through.
Glad you made it through! It sucks but makes for a great story and lesson for incoming Pilots! Thanks for sharing! ✈
All instructors are inexperienced. Theyre pilots with 400 hours on average
there is no guarantee, got "guaranteed an instructor job after training but covid hit, and understandably circumstances changed but they were very quick to rescind their guarantee when students started returning and I couldn't work for their call and beckoning, even with 30hrs a week which i could make available to at least get my supervision done .
🤚🏼 my first school closed, the 2nd school charged up front. They got their money but instead of 8 hours flight and 8 ground, I was getting 2-3 flight, zero ground. I left after $10k and finished at a great school
Jesus! Im sorry that happened to you
Sorry to hear that, glad you are done!
Yep, lesson learned for my instrument. Thanks guys
Hey Thrust Flight! Looking to up my game and go for IFR - CSEL - CMEL - CFI - hopefully airlines ;)
What about YOU vs the others, such as American Flyers @ ADS, or ATP @ both ADS + TKI?
That really depends person to person. Everyone has a different learning curve and environment that they excel in. Find what best suits your preferences.
Since you want to start with IFR we recommend checking out our website for IFR: www.thrustflight.com/instrument-rating/
I did the worst landing of my life with Liz (woops). Lol she probably remembers me from that alone! 😅
I wish this video was around when I started as a flight student. I definitely feel I got scammed by my 141 school. Nothing I can do now I'm almost at the end after 6 years but if I could do it over it definitely wouldn't be where I'm at.
But it's been frustrating, not just for me. The program looks good at the beginning because they promote 0 to MEI in 4 years. Some of my colleagues and I are in year 6 and still haven't graduated because of the licenses. I've known people who took 3 years to get their PPL done.
My average here is 4 flights a month, so it was no surprise my CPL has taken eternity. And then the three instructor courses to come, I'm not optimistic about this.
If you don’t mind saying, what part 141 on earth is this?
Wow, that's shocking. Sorry that you went through such a program. Hopefully, you were able to get something out of it!
@@ThrustFlight unfortunately still going through it. Can't train externally or they won't accredit the licenses for the course credits. If I change universities for sure I'll need to do at least two more years cause not everything will transfer and at this point I'm not in a mood to redo classes I've already done. Seems crazy, but I think my best bet is to stay here for the remaining courses. Even when some of us said we'd be willing to change to part 61 to fly somewhere else they said they would not recognize the credits, even if the licenses are recognized by the FAA.
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My ground school was a flat fee for 140 hours of PPL ground school. What sucked is the ground portion of my flight training basically covered everything I had just gone over in ground school. Very repetitive and painful.
Sorry to hear about that! What happened after?
@@ThrustFlight I finished ground school, ended up buying a share in an aeroplane and I’m finishing my flight training with a freelance instructor in my own plane. However I am taking my written with that ground school tomorrow.
Unfortunately I haven’t seen much quality out of the zero to hero programs throughout my time flying and being a check airman. Especially if it’s a “zero to airlines” program. If that individual leaves 121 for corporate or 135 they struggle immensely from my experience.
Where have you seen students come from that you would consider being high quality? Thanks for the answer we are always looking to improve our program. 😄
While everyone learns a different way, I would say that typically, you should be flying solo at around 15-20 hours and unless you take your sweet time and you fly very sporadically, there’s absolutely nothing that prevents you from getting your PPL with 40 hours.
If a school delays your solo and they won’t sign you off to get your PPL and try to sell you more dual hours, you should be looking for another school.
The average to get your private is around 65 hours. I’ve met 1 person who was able to get their private in under 45 hours that didn’t go to a university.
@@agarab852 I soloed at 11 hours and had all the requirements met at 34 hours. Literally had to burn time. Our time in the air was all business.
@@AnonyMous-jf4lc If you’re able to pay for more than 2 flights a week sure. Most people can’t. I’ve heard of people getting their private in 2 weeks because they were able to fork over the 7k. The vast majority of people cannot do that. There also becomes a question of proficiency. Working at a part 141 school some students come in with their private that just are not anywhere near where they should be. For example I had a private pilot student who never filed a flight plan. Rushing to get things done allows stuff to slip through that normally wouldn’t.
@@agarab852 I did full days once a week and I own my plane.
@@AnonyMous-jf4lc The vast vast majority of people do not have the luxury of owning their own plane for flight training.
i went to an aero college. was told by the recruiter that they will accept my gi bill, needed an additional 30k secured it with sallie mae. started application process about 4 months into the training i got notified that my request for gi bill was denied as they do not pay for technical colleges (at that time 2012) 2 months later i got booted from the program for insufficient funds. have not been able to fly since, struggling with depression from not being in the air, gained weight, struggling to earn enough income to just get me back in the air. but as soon as i left the Nat guard, sallie mae bumped my interest to the max .... be very careful when applying and be sure that what is offered is honest and if your going to use gi bill dont take the schools word for it
They take GI bill now. Check again and make sure to loose weight and exercise. Gotta be in the right mental shape my fellow guardsmen. It covers a good bit of flight training at a school but is capped at 15k a year I think
@@BrandonDs2011 working on it hopefully soon I will be getting a better job
Sorry to hear about that, and thank you for being brave by sharing your story. We hope that you are able to succeed against the odds. ✈️
say the word depression at anyone of your medical exams and you will never fly again.
@@702Heli 😂
I went to 4 different flight schools during my training. Two of them were a joke. I think a lot of flight schools don't really care about students, unfortunately.
Agreed. They’re all about the money… could careless about training you appropriately.. I’ve been looking for a flight school, already been on 2 discovery flights and both didnt feel right.
@@jj6457 Dang, sorry to hear that. Finding a good one can be a challenge. I was really lucky and had a great flight school for my instrument rating, commerical, and multi. The schools I did private and CFI at were a joke.
I thinks both of you should have your own youtube channel, talkshow format
haha something worth considering :)
I'm training at K28A. Not my first choice but the prices are unbeatable. Otherwise I'd be training at Concord NC. I pay as I go, mortgage, car payments, and life prevents every day flying. Thankfully I haven't experienced any of the red flags mentioned in this video.
That's great! Hopefully, our maneuver videos can help you on your Pilot journey! Best Wishes -Thrust Flight Team ✈
What specifically are the guarantees offered by your school?
2 hour flight with one hour of ground? Every time? That’s awesome if that’s true. I can’t express enough how many 2 hour flights with just 10 min of ground which was basically, fill out logbook, get signature, have a nice day, and then the instructor was off to the next flight.
Goodwill has a lot of used pilot headsets available through their website. Is it worth buying one of these rather than a new headset?
We would say it heavily depends on the brand and the condition.
The hard part is you couldn’t test it in the store to see if it worked but it’s a great way to save on initial starting costs and you can always upgrade later. Just a little risky if it didn’t work but perhaps goodwill has a policy to take back if it doesn’t.
Definitely look into the websites return policy in case it malfunctions! Thanks for the Question Steve it should serve to help others!
As a student im going to add......ASK FOR A ROADMAP ON WHAT YOU WILL BE DOING, explain that even tho most ppl take 80 hrs to get their license. You want to train like you will get yours in 40 hours. My instructor who is now with the airlines basically bullcrapped me out of 30 hrs of nothing but traffic pattern laps. Yes i can take off, and land perfectly now and ive solod. BUT by 30 hrs you should have practiced all maneuvers as well, like stalls etc. 30 hrs and i hadnt touched stalls, steep turns, ground reference, nothing, just pattern. But at around 10 hrs i realized my instructor wasnt even teaching anymore. He would just get in the plane and say alright you ready to do some pattern?? And just silently sit there or use his phone the entire time, then say, "well hey man you're doing so good i have nothing to say." That means move on to the next thing.....also make sure your instructor is telling you pitch and bank numbers. Like 25 deg. Of pitch for stalls, 30 degrees is a steep turn. Not just saying pull more more more or more bank etc and being cryptic. Your avionics has numbers for a reason.....i have a couple videos on my page with me flying. Eventually i want to start my own "nonprofit" flight school simply to be dedicated to teaching properly. Because Jesus man, im lucky to have a full motion with virtual reality simulator at my house, im basically teaching myself. And if thrust reads this....train me up and ill work for free under contract and no im not going to the airlines 100% g.a here...worth a shot lol
You're avionics has numbers on it?! Lol
How do you feel about schools that may or may not bash other local schools? Red flag or is that normal?
Im on my 13th CFI because they all keep leaving or get slammed with other students and then overbooked where you cant get much time in. Im at the final stage of trying to get Cross Country Dual/Solo done and FAA Test and then finally checkride. Struggling to get these final pieces done.
We wish you the best of luck in getting through your program Mike!
@@ThrustFlight Thanks...One thing that im curious about is i currently have a class 3 medical with night restriction. Is it possible to renew medical to class 2 with that current restriction or does Class 2 flat out deny any color restricted pilots to ever hold a class 2 medical? Im an IT Engineer and one day want to quit that and try to do Aviation instead down the road. I served 6 Yrs in the USAF as a supply person and have loved aviation since i was a child.
how would pc flight sim knowledge help with flying an actual airplane
Some of your points were very valid, students should be able to shop anywhere for supplies, and most of the needed books you can download free from the FAA website. The real issue is that most flight schools will sell the students the materials and then not show the student WHY they are necessary The students never crack the books open and never learn the material because no one explained to them how to use them or what information is essential. I have never, In 15 years of owning a flight school, seen a flight school do to much ground instruction with a student... the idea itself is ridiculous.... most schools don't do enough ... we have students come to us all the time from other flights schools saying they were told to watch sporties or they can get the information from youtube. Although both can be very useful resources neither is a substitute for one on one training with a qualified instructor. Lastly, I could not believe you actually said you did not do well on your written test after talking about ground school.... you should have done more before you took the tests... you should have been more prepared. I agree with you about flying with multiple instructors, bad idea to get stuck on one.
Scoring high on a theory test does not mean you're a SKILLFUL pilot. What is taught in ground school is totally different when you're in the air. Also, last I've checked your test score is not on your license nor would an airline or any flight company will ask for your test score.
Another one is not necessarily a scam,but can be a trap: we give you x% off,if you pay the whole package in advance.
DON'T.
On the flight school side ... If they hired a new instructor they will not know that he or she is a poor flight instructor untill they have students.
if the flight school offers u job they do it coz they pay u less then u take in an other school bice trik 4 less expensive instractor
They lied too. Having multiple instructors DOESN’T reduce the time or money, it actually prolongs it because they all teach differently and you may be able to tell them where you are in your training so far but they really don’t know exactly where your at and how much of it you have been catching on too. Having multiple instructors will cause a lot of REdoing multiple lessons
You guys literally described adf flight school😂😂
Shhh! No we didn't 🤣
Dont always trust a flight schools social media presence or reviews, theres a flight school at an airport i frequent and they produce terrible unsafe pilots but their social media shows differently. This school is only able to pass students because they have a DPE that hands out certificates like candy. Fortunately this DPE recently got his certification pulled. I feel bad for their students because they dont know any better and theyve been sucked in by a flashy fleet of planes and a well crafted social media.
How does their review on Google look? I guess you could say that DPE had it coming for him. It would've caught up to him sooner or later as you say. Word spreads fast when the students you're passing aren't competent.
@@ThrustFlight Their reviews on Google look good but the reviews are almost all from their own staff and staff friends and family.
you misspelled "out" in the title
🤣 Thanks! we should've been the ones to watch out for it!
Stay away from Spartan in Oklahoma! Scammer alert!!
i’m scamming my flight school.
ooof hit them with the counter scam 😎
If it's ATP then yes they are scamming you!
Haha seriously? thats where im at trying to get my PPL right now and so far im not enjoying it
When flight school is 100k, it’s already a scam. It’s for those who are born in money but still have to get a job.
Exactly, flight school should only cost about 10-15k
Sorry, you feel that way. We do hope that you find your way if you haven't already done so. Best of Luck in finding your own path! ✈️
@@saintjames1995 If you had a cheap 152 and flew it 60hrs to get private it would cost you a minimum of $120/hr ($7k). 60 hours of instruction @ lowball rate of $25/hr is $1500. That’s $8500 just for you to do it and everything go pretty smooth.
Now factor in business overhead, more MX requirements, airplane instruction / instructor insurance, and the fact that many schools have better planes than a clapped out 152… it adds up fast so $10-15k is becoming the low end. Just by storing a plane in a hangar vs tie down increase the hourly rate by $60/hr.
I recommend MZeroA, he’s phenomenal! Most schools in my area (SoCal) are very good. But no place or instructor is perfect either. Just do your homework and pick the best you can. Here they literally tell us the opposite. I visited and did a lesson with all the schools first. They told me the opposite. Saying I don’t need most of that stuff they sell and then just actually gave me the bare bones and sending me emails with all the free downloads for those books. (Ie. They get it). Doesn’t seem to be about money here. They are actually very good schools and instructors and are passionate about it and care. They even all tell you there’s no guarantee when you will get certified. And say most people take 60-80 hrs to finish it. Even instructors told me they took like 80/90 hrs. So that was a good sign!