⚜ | Why the Germans are (currently) getting slaughtered on Multiplayer (IL-2 : BoS)
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- Опубликовано: 27 июн 2016
- Germans are being unfairly treated on MP? Nope, they just don't try to win.
Btw, while the Germans won Febraury, it too was a one-sided affair although not like June. My hope for close matches goes both ways.
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so it is a bit like War Thunder AB, fighters get kills, but ground attack wins. Whereas in Il-2 it makes actually sense.
If I had more time, I would love to learn playing Il-2 and be a dedicated bomber/110.
Great channel dude!
if you decide to pick up the IL-2 and s stick (i recommend the Thrustmaster T16000m for beginners) you can join us on our TS server. the ZG26 is a dedicated attacker squadron, we spend most of our time in the Bf 110 Ju87 and Ju88. I'm sure we can help you with any questions you may have ;)
thank you! Added the joystick to my list for future, at least I don't have to think about that one anymore.
a bunch of shops offer it and you should be able to pick one up for 40€ i know it's 10 more than most "beginner sticks" but it's worth it. it uses the same technology the Thrustmaster Warthog does. it's very precise and it has a twist axis so you don't need pedals
Yes, I feel this is a bit like WT AB/SB. But dare I say, it looks even better? Great vid, will definitely be watching more to help decide if this game is something I would enjoy investing in.
Btw, while the Germans won Febraury, it too was a one-sided affair although not like June. My hope for close matches goes both ways.
An interesting video, Bismarck. You basicly described my first flyout on the Wings of Liberty server, flying high up above a ground target, and then getting pounced by 3 fighters while the target gets bombed. My excuse is that I was still trying to get the hang of flying in MP, and without a wingman it's not quite as easy. I'll try to incorporate some of your advice, and fly at 3-4k alt instead of any higher.
I'd love to help but I'm currently only qualified on the Pe-2.
...and by "qualified" I mean "my landings out-number my crashings" :D
I'd rather them add the hawker typhoon into Burma for allied ground attack, though I'm not sure if they were used in Burma
I don't know anything about the Japanese aircraft but spitfire for CAP, typhoons or beau fighter for ground attack, and the b-25j or b-26 for bombers. (And I know I'm on the wrong video lmao my mistake)
I really need to get a better rig a decent joystick and a track Ir and jump into this game... war thunder is nice but when you want simulateor it doesnt get better than Il2 no matter what version you're playing :)
Germans lose because no one bombs on Germany. Too many fighters.
let's be honest. the German teams loose all of the time because most of them are idiots who believe they only way to be a good pilot is to sit at 6k and wait for the Russians to come to them
oh, and the fact that planes like the 109 E-7 and Fw 190 that were used as attackers a lot don't have access to 250kg bombs is also a factor
What would be a good multirole plane for Germany and then for the Axis overall? I just bought this game but I'm watching videos until my stick arrives.
@@user_____M best multi role would be 110 G in my opinion. Can carry bombs or a 37mm cannon that can be used against ground and air targets. Or 20mm gun pod for a total of 4 20mm cannons also great against bombers. And many people tend to underestimate it so you can get some fighter kills now and then as well
@@Asgar1205 Thank you!
I think one solution for this is combat simulator games like this need to stop giving top points and trophies to shooting down enemy fighters and focus those more on completing missions, saving allies, and even just spotting and coordinating. I also think they should have penalties for just flying high in formation and doing absolutely nothing. One idea i have heard people say is that while you still will get points and XP, you will not get the trophies and bonuses if your team loses. That would encourage people to actually think and coordinate together.
When people look at these flight sims, they don't really care about being "le team contributors"; the average German player likely starts playing to become knights of the sky, engaged in 'honourable' duels with enemy aces. The average USSR player, however, probably has at least some interest in flying the series icon, which just so happens to be built for murdering ground targets; couple this with how the MiG-3 is the *only* high-alt fighter for early war, forcing USSR fighter pilots to go low, it's no wonder their bombers survive long enough to win matches.
I see "Russian bias conspiracies" are in every game
People just flock to the easiest excuse for their lack of skill and knowledge. "Russian Bias" and "Hacker" are the most common from what I've seen.
Also, due to decades of brainwashing movies and stuff, it's very difficult to western kids to accept that the Soviet Union had very good planes, tanks and all. They believe only Winter won for the Russians, and America won the war.
+Flavio Rodrigues not necessarily true. Maybe to some Call of Duty playing youngsters, but they weren't even alive to remember the Soviet Union.
But this is what i mean, not everyone of course, but some yes, and i have met some people like this. I should have said "some" before.
good ol brainwash gives fruit
I always found the "climb wars" you had going on in other games unrealistic and this is exactly the reason why.
Fighters are supposed to have a task, cover friendlys, kill enemy bombers or whatever. You cant do any of that flying 5k over everybody else. No matter how good of a K/D rate that gets you.
It doesnt help your side if you dont actually do anything useful.
And being useful just involves putting yourself at risk on ocassion.
Altitude or a focus on heavy bombers or other types is not about US or USSR, but the requirements of the theater of operations.
Air operations in the east were mostly about direct ground support, cas or protection of own troops against enemy ground attack planes. With a much lower focus on startegic bombing, as there was a front to worry about first and because of the huge size of russia often put strategic targets out of reach. (Berlin is much closer to london than moscow.)
The Airfields could be close behind the front lines, so the planes could be in the action fast. But that lead to air battles generally being on lower altitude.
And that is true for axis as well as ussr.
The same is true for USAAF/RAF units in the MTO, were air battles were also often fought at lower altidude for similar reasons and that is why the RAF could use P-40s there with their bad high altitude performence, while they were unsuitable for the European theater of operation.
Over western and northern Europe there were no frontlines with troops to directly support. Not since the fall of France till the Landings in June 1944, so the air battles were primarily strategic in nature, Long Range bomber raids, escorting them and intercepting them and with Airfield far away on different sides of the channel, so much time to climb.
By 1944 when there were frontlines again in france the luftwaffe was not strong enough anymore to do much direct ground support or challenge allied fighter bombers and therefore there was only very little airbattles at lower altitudes here.
yes, yes they do
I find ground attack painful in War Thunder RB's. In many games you start attacking ground targets and all your team is climbing and at last 6 km away. It only takes one or two enemies to spot you and you die and your team can't - and has no interest - in saving you.
It's especially bad as a German because no 190 or 109 is ever going to risk being low or at medium altitude.
I hear that. In almost all the flight games I have played, if you went out to support the troops you were on your own, due to the fact that almost all your other pilots were at 6-8k up, padding their k/d ratio. I always flew in at 3k down, even if in a fighter so I could help the boys in the mud or those flying bombers in support. Too many years playing the guy in the mud and needing support I guess, lol........
Thats because in WT for german planes to even slightly work at low altitude it takes really good skill or really good teamwork, sometimes even both and good luck finding those in a game full of randoms.
so basically the present german players mostly think they are astronauts and go as close to space as possible just to hide
Thank you Bismarck for this video,
as a horrible fighter pilot but a decent Jabo pilot I'm usually sitting in a ground attack aircraft (or using my bomber as such, I'm a bad high altitude bomber as well). On the german side I'm first of all mostly alone, once reaching my target there is at least one russian fighter at low altitude that soon engages me, even though I often successfully drop my bomb(s) I rarely make it back to my airfield. On the russian side however I can often circle the enemy ground forces with my Pe-2 or Il2 until I run out of ammunition and still make it back to my base.
We managed to organise a collection of 6 He-111 bombers (without escorts), fly to a distant military warehouse and successfully bomb the place off the map in the wings of liberty server last week. Goes to show what can be achieved on rare occasions.
The only 109's and 190's we saw were masses of them at the airfield before launching our raid. As usual we saw none actually near us on the way to the target or actually over the target area. Thankfully the VVS didn't show up and all bomber made it home with only one seemingly favourite with the AA.
I've been flying online dogfight sims since Sierra online's Red Baron WW1 simulator created by the designer of the F-14 Tomcat way back in the mid 1990's so normally I fly fighters (and I'm a notorious fighter ace on countless online sims and have taught dogfighting aerobatic manoeuvres in the past plus simple dirty tricks to turn the tables). However Battle of Stalingrad the desperate need for bomber pilots has myself and fellow sim game fighter veterans flying bombers just to help the Axis side stand a fighting chance of maybe winning.
Lack of dogfighting skill amongst both side's fighters can be laughable. I mean how bad does a LaGG-3 player have to be to not be able to shake a He-111 loaded with bombs off of his ass for 2 minutes and then be shot down??
Yep, bombers also have to occasionally play as their own fighter escort it seems.
We usually fly in pairs, threes and rarely fours.
Best formations for bombers are tilted triangle and tilted diamond for defence so that all rear gunners have a clear shot of attackers behind the formation.
I'm yet to see Stukas form into a Luffberry ring for mutual defence like I've seen in over sim games in the past. BoS just doesn't have that level of player cooperation or tactical skills yet. Many players are on a steep learning curve having migrated for pseudo sims such as War Thunder.
Best tactic to adopt if alone and chased by a VVS fighter is to drop to the deck at tree top height, cut speed as slow as possible and wait for the attacking fighter to (A) crash, (B) overshoot and have his belly filled by the tail gunner or (C) chicken out and go away.
Slowing down decreases the time period the attacking fighter has you in his sights and can shoot. It also forces him to bleed off energy to the point that if, by some freak miracle, a friendly fighter comes to the rescue the hostile will have major problems.
We've seen yourself and Sheriff in some games so if you see a formation for Henkel's flying low and fast scaring squirrels then that'll be us.
"Bombers have to be their own fighter escort sometimes"
Isn't there a Ju 88 variant for that purpose actually
I think most people don't really care who "wins the map", I know I don't. I mean, what's the point of trying to win the map? You just get another map which is basically the same as every other map so who gives a shit? I'd rather they just kept the same map up and let us fight for territory somehow so that there was something worth fighting for.
I think I have to agree with you Jimmy.
The major battles, not to mention the war overall, are only going to go one way no matter how good Axis does and how bad the Allies do. The ability to change history even in just a virtual alternate reality would be much more incentive than just winning a map that has no influence on the war.
@@vicnighthorse Unfortunately, that kinda requires organization, at which point you may as well just join a virtual fighter wing.
Best video you did ever. Im following you for some a year and a half more or less but with other acount. Good you left WT. See you up there , on the pub.
Thanks a lot for all the information and insights on IL 2 Bis!
At least it's sort of historical
It's very historical, trust me :P
How hard would it be to fly in IL2 without TrackIR or something similar to it? I have the game but never downloaded it because I dont like using joystick for views. I like being in attack aircraft and bombers. German Iron is my favorite aircraft of all time. I admire the german fighting prowess during ww2. My great grand father was a BF109 E3 pilot over in Russia, he lost his life during that campaign but I still find it interesting.
The Russians later stacked their air cover in layers to cover each other, stacking upwards. They react according to which layer get attacked.
in real life that is.
Interesting, I thought they stuck below 3-4 km height because of their mid to late war fighters were optimized for lower altitudes
Miodrag Mijatović
From the many discussions in WT forums, medium altitude is up to 5-6km. IIRC the attackers are along treetop and low level, the 1st layer above them, another layer above that first air cover and so on. Ofc not all the units did this, I cannot remember if it was a standard tactic or practised by some units. Can't remember where I read it from. Probably Red Phoenix Rising.
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The LAGGs in BoS get the 37mm nose gun as an option? Lol :D
***** The 23mm is fine by me, but the 37mm was a 1943 modification. The planes in BoS are all models not exceeding 1942, right?
Great attention to real issues! The immersion gets better when we all play the objective. If k/d ratio is the only thing in focus, go play WT;)
I know this is an old vid, but the entire thing boils down to one sentence. "One team is focusing on the objectives and actually playing as a team, while the other team is a playing as a collection of solo pilots focused on their k/d ratio."
Great video & comments BTW :-)
Really good break down great work...my own view is that a lot of the folks playing this game treat it as an arcade game and are seeking instant gratification when in fact maybe some historical study and a willingness to participate with an eye on the bigger picture would lead to more meaningful and enjoyable games for everyone?...just my view for what it's worth...which probably isn't much.
Great commentary Bismark. Good to see you share your analysis of the situation instead of falling into a 'Russian's are OP' whinge fest. I appreciate you sharing some really interesting analysis of the game mechanics and the best tactics to address the current team play by those flying on the allies side. May all the battles be close!
Bismarck hav a question for you. Around 2 miin mark you zoom in real "close" is that part of your TRack IR setup or key mapped? thanks in advance.
Great video Bismarck, I'm just getting back into IL2:BOS (I fly DCS World mostly) so will definitely try my hand at some more A2G sorties when flying, might have to pick up BOM for the 110 . Do many people use the 'official' IL2 Teamspeak server?
That was me in the LA5 (AEF_Rolfey) that was shot down :D
Official TS is mainly used by Russians and by the Russian team.
Very nice video, man! May I ask what kind of Flightstick and TIR you use?
I know this video is a year old but something like this happened to me while I was flying as the Germans in War thunder. During a mission, we were playing a map inspired by the Battle of the Bulge and almost all my team mates were in Bf 109s or FW 190s and I was in a JU-87 (I forgot the name but it was the AT model with the duel 37mm cannons). Now near the end of the game almost all my team mates except me were shot down yet we still won. Why? Because as predictable, all the fighters climbed high to try to BnZ each other meanwhile I was flying low and picking off the Allied tanks and pillboxes and nobody noticed me until it was too late. That's the problem with a lot of these combat flight simulators, most people wanna dogfight but the truth is there is more to warfare than being an ace.
easy, *RUSSIAN SEKRIT DOCUMENTS BLYAT*
It's the exact same problem in War Thunder. There are too many idiots in these WWII era games who think that German engineering is superior to all, which it arguably is, but they choose to have the vehicle compensate them for all essence of skill. And when they begin losing (even if they themselves think they're doing good), they blame the game rather than reanalyze their personal and teamplay.
Lord Gronor Yor are right, so are so right!
They barely had any situational awareness later on in the game
Bismarck, what plane(s) on either side (preferably Germans, I'm with DRT) would you recommend to a new pilot? Since War Thunder went to shit I've been starting to play BoS.
Do u have a vid for game controls because I may pick this game up when I get paid next Friday
I remember when the IL-2 demo dropped. I was at a LAN party at the time and, as a sort of break, some of us, including myself, went to visit a local museum, while the rest were going to install the demo and check out the game. When, a couple hours later, we came back, the first thing I heard was: 'Has anyone managed to take off, yet?'
Though, when I gave the demo a shot, I was able to take off, it soon became obvious the game was a good enough simulation to show up my limitations as a pilot (flying coördinated turns is really hit and miss with me) and I decided to concentrate fully on racing sims.
Maybe, now that I've got a TrackIR, I should give it another shot (it does help with situational awareness),
New player here. I chose Russians simply because (at least in my timezone) the German team was always 33% bigger.
Later on someone made the point to me that Russians are the better new player choice simply because "When you want to learn to drive, you don't learn in an automatic."
Learning the engine management necessary in a Russian aircraft gets you prepared for flying anything.
Seeing as I don't own a compatible joystick (possibly) and being responsible for flaps and all that is beyond me, I'd just fly as a gunner... since I'm a better gunner than pilot anyways.
MANY people would appreciate a great gunner, it could make the difference between living and dying. No shame at all in being a gunner.
I would love to fly a Bf110 if I could set the controls up properly. If you could do a tutorial that showcases all important controls for people without pedals it would be great :D. I own a TrackIR but still I feel the game feels quite hard to get into.
Hey man, how do you make that Il-2 graphics shine ???
I've only played this game for a few hours and I love it. I had a bad first experience with MP and want give this campaign a try. I'm not very experienced with flight sims, and hope I can figure this thing out.
Great Job, thanks
Sound like I need to start waking up earlier. Since I love flying the BF110.
I don't know what this channel is but it's litty
Been saying it all month, but here it is in crystal clarity.
Good example of this: Took off the other night with a group of friends. Two Pe-2's being escorted by myself in a P-40 and one of my friends in a LaGG. About halfway to the target we encountered a pair of 109's and peeled off to go deal with them. They tangled with us very briefly and we gained an advantageous position over them. As soon as they realised this, they both seagulled straight for the Pe-2's and completely ignored us as they desperately tried to get their kills in before we killed them. We took them both out, no problem.
They had no interest in a fight. They simply wanted easy kills.
They wanted to kill the Pe-2 because that's what's making the Germans lose the games. It's the people who want dogfights only who are losing it for the German.
I really enjoy flying ground attackers in sims, maybe I ought to pick this up and help out. (Although I must admit I do enjoy the IL-2 the most, at least in IL-2 1946)
I never was a fan nor particularly good at flight simulators, but this one always had my attention due to the fact you can be a rear gunner.
Might have to pick it up once/if it goes on sale.
You are losing, because as everyone knows, you can't fight a war on two fronts! (0;)
Apart from that - even though I have only played this a few times - I love watching your intelligent, thoughtful and high quality videos.
Subscribed.
I'm thinking of buying one of the IL-2 flight sims
Which one should i buy?
Kuban
Stalingrad
Moscow
Can we all stop and realize how advanced civilization has advanced where modern day descendants of countries in ww2 would recreate their battles in the virtual world less than a century later?
I'd say the advance was rather advanced.
No
So how well does a ME-110 stack up against the opposition? I realize it would be at a disadvantage but can it in the right hands be anything but a notch for a Yak/Mig/Lagg? Also... Can a person be another pilots gunner? In other games that allowed it I would pull tail gunner duty for folks and found it to be fun.
Can anyone tell me how to make this game run well? AMD Athlon X4 860K -
8.00GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 804MHz - 2048MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960. I
know my specs aren't the best but I can run games like War Thunder on
ultra @1080p 60fps and even The Witcher 3 on Ultra @1080p 40+ fps. This
game is poorly optimized and no matter the settings I always get
unstable fps and micro stutter.
May i also add that there are a lot of players playing Pe-2 and Il-2 while there arent a lot of Germans playing anything but fighters is also a factor because with the German Ground atackers you dont want to fly close to the ground before you reach the target. Up and high you have the advantage of seeing incoming fighters and your escort is performing much better, but to reach that point you have to invest a lot of time on getting height while being escorted, getting over the front and spot the target while being escorted and then decent or level bomb while still being escorted even if you are doing a steep dive.
With the russian planes you start, fly low atack and go home. The Pe2 is performing better on higher ground then the IL-2 but its sill easier to drop the bombs right on the heads of the enemy then dong a steep dive or set the instruments for level bombing
what do you use for head movement? it is so fluid
Have you tried Aces High 2?
Are you planning on making any more videos for IL-2, by chance? I'm a fan of your videos, but hearing you talk about and then seeing the tactics brought up being implemented always feels a bit more... impactful, for lack of a better term.
Absolutely fantastic video, Bismarck!
The vid may be old. But it explains why I always got my back peppered.
Bias, *its the only possible way*!
Very good points, I think that some try to make the "Novis" jump from WAR THUNDER to the IL2 flight type and as you may and have noted in this video the quality of pilots are just outmatched in skill and in tactics. Personally I would not attempt this game as the visual aspect of the game would make me a very easy target. Although I like the game from your videos better than the run and and die play style of WT, but I do not feel I would enjoy the skill level of this game. The style of the game is just what I would like to play I do not think I would be any good at the game. I do not have the HOTAS controls so it would be just outmatched in every way I think.
You should come play DCS Blue Flag sometime, I think you'd enjoy it.
lol
not like half of the peeps in the comments section here have a computer that can even run it :/
Lolfungreg Gamez It's not that demanding
@@lolfungreg6964 i run it in my laptop lol
would like to get involved with this game but seems like a pretty community driven game... are there any communities out there looking to pick up newbies?
Damn, Bismarck.
A Knight's Cross to you.
Everyone wants to fly a FW-190D until the Po-2 sneaks up the runway
I must admit I also mainly use fighters and fly my way (uncoordinated), but at least I'm doing it on both sides so it doesn't affect the victory ratio as much :P
I agree. I fly at Wings of Liberty every day at German side. Im not a good bomber. I usually dive with 87 or 88. But situation has not changedfrom the time you made this video. Russians are still winning almost every scenario. Hope is coming. Yesterday there was a nice fleet of 111 but it was only like 3 planes so it could not be so effective. And other pilots messed their job --> blocking runways, not covering or destroying AA:s etc. Tactical Air War sounds good. I need to learn more so I can effectively fight there with my fleet. -S!
- LLv32_Korppi
9:30 “while Hartmann up there is having a nap…”. Lol Teamwork wins battles.
So has anyone had any luck playing this game with Vorpx? I would love to play this game in VR but don't feel like buying Vorpx if its not going to work
my grandma is from Germany and talks just like you Bismarck I love it
I basically just operate tanks. My experience on other servers is the German pilots are aces who are in the stratosphere B and Z 'ing while the panzers are left on their own against the IL2s and T34s. It's tough on servers where flags define the victory.
Us ZG1 pilots pretty much always fly the 110. We usually only have fellow members for defense.
Great video .
I see this same kind of thing in all multiplayer games when they die: downward trend, followed by one "side" completely breaking... followed by servers going silent.... usually happens after a patch or some kind of game mechanic is switched around, but can happen naturally... thats just the way it is...
Bravo! Tell it like it is!
How active is the community now, on Wings of Liberty? (Summer 2018)?
I've had BoS for a long time now but haven't been able to set up my joystick for it.
Excellent squadron tactics by the allies, hopefully the opfor would be able to improve their methods
Hm. The way this server is set up looks really fun, but I have been really enjoying Rise of Flight... Is flying the He 111 really that bad?
Flying He111 solo is not easy but you can certainly try to minimize the risk of interception by climbing to 4-5000 m on your way to the target and choosing to approach the target from zones where the enemy fighters will most likely be absent . Yes, the entire mission will take a while ( an hour or so ) but you should be able to return home like three out of four missions . That's what i do but it gets kind of boring after a while, i rarely fly solo these days, much more fun is to have a couple a friends with you and fly a formation of Heinkels :)
Adi Prodi The problem is I don't know anyone who plays the game :( the best I've ever managed to do with flying games was getting my cousin to play rise of flight with me a year ago, only because it was free and I agreed he could just be my gunner lol... :T
Il2 BOS has an official TS server that you can get people on, usually by just mentioning you are on it in team chat.
Many friends are found that way ;)
Would be great seeing you and magz play together.
Petra Meyer i
So, it's pretty historical. Germans have a fighter and tech advantage, but Soviets focused on the ground war. Only difference is that the Soviets are better organized.
TIK, potential history, eastory, blitz of the reich would like to correct that
2 million German losses vs 8 million Soviet losses in the war.
I started playing the russians and i still do because i'm not very good at boom and zooming. Flying fighters overall is very hard for me cause i need to be within 200 meters to efficiently identify targets. That's the main reason why i don't fly with german fighters as you have to be above your target and i tend to lose my target or i just simply can't identify whether it's friendly or foe. And if i do fly a fighter, it's mostly the LaGG-3 cause it's mainly a turnfighter (i think) and you have a good clear cockpit. If only i could identify targets and keep track off them in battle i'd be a excellent LaGG pilot cause i know how to turnfight very well. Warthunder doesn't teach you how to fly a plane, but it definitely teached me how to turnfight as the zero's are my favourite planes and i also learned some nice maneuvers by myself in wartunder, like the scissors. The last thing you want to do when you are fighting me is engage in a scissors cause i'm very good at scissors. Back in the day when i still played warthunder, i once won a duel against a Bf-109 when flying the P-47 after he started a scissors with me.
kinda reminds me of warthunder while playing as americas planes were always spread out all around map and different altitudes while one big swarm of enemy fighters pick them one by one
what set up do you use?
I'd say a mixture of many reasons. One big one are the Pe's super sniper gunners. If it isn't a pilot kill then it's almost definitely an engine kill.
I admit, Soviets are more organized and often have escorts, unlike axis does. I also feel that the damage model with certain Soviet planes is entirely exaggerated. Almost every fight I get into, i record. And i have plenty of examples of proof that Soviets have the upper hand by far.
Sturmgeist
I don't play IL2 and yet this was very interesting!!! :) See you in the (war thunder) sky!
textchat is never enough, nobody did an actual in-game voice system that is like it was back then with radios, no "flight command" no organisation, unless the players themselves decide to make a "clan" and do it...
because they want this to be a competitive game, NOT a cooperative one.
because competition fuels frustration and that fuels more gamers playing more or filtering themselves out, or going into micro-transactions like you can see in WT.
they don't know how to make it any other way...its their culture, and many other game dev team has this mentality as well.
its not a problem and there is no solution to it.
we can do it differently, which will come in time, and then these games will be a thing of the past.
great vid, learned from it, thanks!
also forgot to mention the lack of planes required for cooperation are scouts, heavy bombers, radiotowers, radartowers etc.
being able to take a role of a fast scout plane to go forward at 2-3km alt and mark where enemy planes are visible and it would stay on the map as a "report" with a time tag so everyone can see...even that would have a huge effect on efficiency and teamplay.
the only true results would be if on one server one team only cosist of one clan using one teamspeak and organizing and the opponent team as well. just like how they do it on ACG IL2:CLOD mission every saturday. and its clearly visible how much it adds and changes the outcomes and actual battlefields and engagements.
Most of you wont remember when IL2 first came out in 2001.
Situation was ecaxtly same back then.
I flew over 1200 missions in VEF 1 & 2 we flew always full swuadrons and even back then you really need to flew axis planes as they were supposed to use, mid-high alt boom&zoom and strict no no for turn&burn except early war bf f-series.
I flew in squadron which was back then one of the best by k/d but it was still a struggle to win later war scenarios when germany lacked ground pounders.and only choice was to go down trying to intercept .
In IL2 it was still pretty close in all those online wars i flew 200-2009, some 7000hrs.
What i found then that germany always got more soloing noobs who thinked FW190 or average BF109 can beat russian pilot in turn fight...
I flew also 2 years with russian planes, even early wars were eady to win ,even my beloved I16 i had like 30 mission strakes with no deahts as again ,axis side had so much more players who just didnt know how to use planes right....
Oh the years go so fast....but VEF was best what you could do with pants on if you loved WW2 aviation.
IL2 CoD was soooo boring and no decent online wars,
And IL2 BoS now,well, boring too....
wait, did you just accidentally shot down a 111 @05:36 ? :-)
That's a Peshka...
But you had a friendly fire warning message
+agusti92 I hit the German AA that was behind the Peshka on the bank next to the bridge. You can briefly see it
Roger, thanks for the clarification!
@Bismarck - ahh thank you, it seems I need new glasses then...
i have few dozens of hours and actly like to play as groundpounder, but when i do i usually pick fighter-bomber role cuz of fear of getting killed due to low speed and manouverability of attacker planes :((
initiate with 87's flying on 500m, cover them with bf's at 2km, cover the bf's with fw's in 4-5km, and finally use some heinkels in the same 4-5km altitude.
same thing happened in IL-2 Virtual Eastern Front online campaign
Play the fucking objective. Multiplayer basics.
Sounds like a fun game! I dont know if you can import other aircraft, but for grins I would put a F4-U Corsair and paint it in German camo and fly it and see what your competitors say and do. Just for a laugh of course..
Many players like to be the lone wolf and not the team player. They also know altitude is a great advantage and want the enemy to come up to them so they will be a sitting duck. As Richthofen said "Find the enemy and shoot him down. Anything else is nonsense."
Read more at: www.azquotes.com/author/12332-Manfred_von_Richthofen. Only through the hunting heart of the raptor can a fighter pilot achieve true success.
I have encountered this problem with other pilots before, nobody wants to fly a bomber, attack ground target or deliver parachutists to the target, thus they lose the game. Coordination of effort to various flights measured in ground targets destroyed as well as aircraft shot down should be the measure of success. In a word "Teamwork". Good analysis, nice charts too. Drive on Bismarck, I hope that we can fly together some day, I think we would do well together.
I'm flying mostly bf110 on the wol and the lack of sense for teamplay on the german side is really a big problem. Even if I beg for escort or if I'm asking fighters to clear the objectives from aaa, they don't bother. Everyone is out for a dive hunt on soviets. They don't get it, if someone's out on a bombing mission, the chance to be attacked near or at the objectives by soviet fighters is almost 100%. German fighters would only need to look after german bombers and they would definitely get their fight. It's getting frustrating playing like this all the time.
Given hypothetically equal numbers and coordination I'm curious how the Luftwaffles should go about defeating the Russians at low alt. Better players would be the obvious answer but playing well still means using your strengths against the enemy's weaknesses and I'm not sure what advantages the German planes have under those circumstances.
If only I was better at identifying and striking ground targets, then I would be way more efficient at the Stuka or Peshka.
Also, I have noticed that if you look up tactics on YT it almost only in a BF109.
greeting from 81FG. IF you need bomber escorts, let us know. However we are about 7hr. faster than German time. Having fun watching your video BTW
Bismark, this is a very interesting vid, i like so much, and your channel. But i have a question.
If the visual range in the sim is 10k then how they can't support from 5-7k to a battle in 2-3k? the difference is no more than 4k above in those cases.
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its the Summer Sale effect. It will probably get worse, but then it will get back to normal
Summer sale started a few days ago, Germans lost since the start of the month
I think it's tiger syndrome from war thunder, you hear about how it's great but the plane is only as good as the pilot
The situation on Wings of Liberty is still hopeless.
I really hope something will change some time. It's like the Germans aren't even trying. 33 wins for Alies, 1 win for Axis at the moment. This is just sad.
Love it, 4 different kinds of 109's and they take the 20/50 setup from the mig-3. Tell ya what Bismarck, (gonna guess your always german) your friends fly that high because it practically a perfect safety net for them. You think anyone cares about winning the game? That don't look as good on stats. Good vid though your a good pilot brosef.
ju87 is the only plane thats worth for ground attack if you only have bos and the others i would have to spend a huge idiotic amount of money just to get the planes required to be effective on 72ag server !