Matching Ties with Pocket Squares | Sartorial Dialogues
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- Your tie and handkerchief should not match. Proff said it, and Pete agrees. They should complement each other but not match. Much like Proff and Pete.
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in this video, Pete demonstrates to us why over-the-calf socks are non-negotiable.
Indeed Sir
I believe the reason they were, and are, sold together was to give the option of wearing one or the other. You were choosing the tie because it worked with your outfit, then a pocket square would work with the outfit as well. This way you can choose to either wear the tie or handkerchief with your outfit and choose a complimentary tie or handkerchief to go with it.
Buyers started to think this was like a wine pairing, recommending that they should wear the two together, and started to do so. Mainly as a takeaway from catalog ordering that saw a major take over during that time.
Could be
Yes indeed
But many just wear them together anyways 😅
They were sold to people as an efficient choice for who only dressed up once or twice a decade
@@petertensuda1192 Absolutely Peter
I sell men's wear and I often still get men asking about matching pocket squares... If they truly want to match colors, I usually tell them to match the shirt... That way it'll always work with that shirt regardless of the tie.
Matching the sherry meaning color?
I certainly hope not same fabric
I always match my pocket squares with my shirt. Pocket squares need to stand out with a little flare. Not over the top but a nice touch. You're totally write about matching it with the shirt though.
@@Funkywaters That’s one theory sir. Many do the same
Today I learned that Peter is a fellow Canadian!
Yes. Victoria.
Indeed Kelvin 🔥
Would love to hear some more history from Pete about that
@@robm1986 It’s coming
I've just bought, off of Ebay, a beautiful and large silk/wool, rolled edges paisley patterned (almost Madder silk-like) pocket square. I'm 'bout pleased as can be and can't wait to wear it....not a match to the tie, however....what on earth do I do ;-)
Tony
Wear in good health Tony 🔥
Pete steps out of the Ed McMahon role and provides a bit of history, hitherto unknown to Proff. Bravo, Pete! Though you never should have blown your cover as an English gentleman with an OE vibe. That said, some of the old time Canadian NHL hockey coaches were very well dressed. Before he went 5 standard deviations outside of Nick Foulkes, Don Cherry was perhaps the best dressed, closely followed by Scottie Bowman.
I do have one comment re: your use of the word gentleman…I considerate it a definition best used to describe behavior. There are many gentlemen, who simply have not been educated in the finer points of men’s clothing. For example, there are many gentleman, who will wear a tuxedo with notched lapels, two buttons, and a double vent. Recently, I took my 30 y/o son to buy a new tuxedo and was shocked how many high-end stores, offer very expensive tuxedos, which violate the rules of the road for formal wear.
Finally, Pete nailed it. Many trends are driven purely by (ignorant) marketers. This is even more prevalent for women’s clothing.
Keep up your great efforts to educate the sartorially unwashed!
In Servitio Pudoris!
Beautifully written BRUCE ALMIGHTY 😁🙌🏾
Just so you know, Sartorial Talks is also a channel ran by hugo jacomet :) both great channels!!!
So I hear Canned P 😁
Sartorial Talks? Where is Hugo Jacomet?
Why do you ask?
@@AskOkeyInc" Sartorial Talks" is the name of the RUclips channel and video series of Hugo Jacomet, creator of the Parisian Gentleman magazine. He also makes extremely high quality menswear videos.
@@TRusheeRush Ah I see
😂 you created a storm alright........ cheers to us who like before we watch and then rewatch a thousand times then share... Royal Capital checking in ❤
There you go Royal Cap 🙌🏾
@@AskOkeyInc you are welcome Prof
I grew up the rule was always Match my socks, handkerchief and tie. Never to mix them up like we do today. I was taught by old money. Then I got a job that it was part of our uniform
@@tedcoulter5106 Very well then Ted 😁
Welcome aboard
Proff, do type of collars, lapel, and cuffs. I dig that 🙏😆
Benson, we’ve covered collars extensively in our series on shirts. Please see our RUclips Archives
@@AskOkeyInc awesome ill check it out👍
Sir, I am attending a wedding in a few weeks, any advice? (It will be hot where I’m going)
Love your content!
One word
LINEN SUIT
what is the name of the pocket square fold in the thumbnail? It's not a 3 point fold but an asymmetrical mountain 2 point fold?
Just pinch it in the middle and stuff if upside down in your pocket
That’s the name of the fold 😁
I'm here to be advised regarding good taste in clothing, well.. Inspired. I think I do quite well on my own but I'm definitely open to suggestions. The Classic, good looks of everything you wear are just that, inspiring.
@@MTXSHO9732vV8SHO That’s the spirit 🔥
Okey you are exactly right about this. I wish more people would realize…
That’s right Henry. But here we are ..
Why u make such small video proff. when i am start to develope taste ! The video got ended
There’s more on the way Summit. This is just a teaser 😁
Match identically is definitely not a great look. But having a pocket square with similar color or complimentary colors is acceptable. White cotton pocket squares are always great because of how versatile they work. An outfit, in its entirety, has to be harmonious. That's what one has to remember when putting together a look. If the pocket square detracts from everything, it most likely isn't the appropriate choice.
P.S. was Pete born in Canada?! Incredible. I am from Canada!
Must be harmonious
That’s certainly a good approach Sir 🔥
Just ordered my first Rampley & Co. pocket square. Too expensive but I have to try one. Are you familiar with that brand?
I’ve heard of the brand and see them fairly frequently on instagram but no prior experience
Simonnot Godard is the gold standard for pocket squares, but there are many high quality products available. Rampley & Co. is similar to Kirby Allison and Gentlemen’s Gazette/Fort Belvedere. They each carry well-established brands and their own branded products. I bought some linen Fort Belvedere pocket squares a couple of years ago and they are excellent. Kirby Allison stocks Simonnot Godard, but they can be found online somewhat less expensively.
@@brucer6239 I received my Rampley & Co one and it’s beautiful. The 42cm size means that it will actually stay in the pocket without moving. I got the 28th battalion battle one.
@@brucer6239 All very good names Bruce
people watch reels??
So it seems
I still don’t understand why they shouldn’t match, what is the reason “s” ? I have many of them bought as a set from Jermyn Street London, I am pretty sure down in Saville Row you can find matching ties with pocket squares.
It’s too “CONTRIVED”
Simple.
As accessories, both should be accent pieces. They kind of lose that function when they match each other that closely.
Interesting film! I think you're right 99.99% of the time when it comes to pairing a pocket square and tie. I always use these accessories made of different fabrics, and I have never bought or thought about buying a "ready-made set". Especially since even now (at least in Poland) it is a very popular product in chain stores selling bad suits. However, I happened to see photos on Instagram, probably from Pitti Uomo, where the tie and the pocket square were made of the same piece of material. The main difference was that it wasn't shiny tacky polyester, but rather printed silk or wool, in a very similar style to your tie in this video. And even though it went against every principle I had learned, I had to admit with resignation that it looked good. Hence the 0.01% disagreement. I believe that almost every rule of men's fashion can be broken with style, although sometimes it is terribly difficult.
Break the rules if you wish Darius. So long as your understand the consequences
Great response and excellent knowledge history
Thank you Osborne
what type of pocket square would be appropriate with a pocket tee shirt?
What exactly is a pocket tee shirt?
Proff what are your thoughts on this modern abomination of wearing a suit with a T shirt or an open collar like a polo? Too much of a clash in formality.
Don’t do it
@@AskOkeyInc why do people think this is okay?
Im fairly versed in mens wear but im having trouble coming up with my wedding suit, any recommendations should a man stick with the classic tuxedo or is there a way to add some uniqueness to a mens wedding attire
I've never resonated with matching (same fabric) tie and pocket square 💯
In Servitio Pudoris!
That’s our new MOTTO 🔥
Bruce Almighty 🙌🏾
O Canada! Shout out to Eaton, Simpsons, and Sears! Still see their garments when thrifting today :)
Great places
There you go Tim 🔥
Okey what colour are your shoes and what colour are his?
Mega, my shoes are deep Burgundy oxfords . Pete’s shoes are mid-brown oxfords
@@AskOkeyInc deep burgundy looks so regal!
@@megaman2016 Very much so Mega 🔥
Okey provokes us with his flamboyant suit
FLAMINGO 🦩
Salmon Corduroy
How do you properly fold the pocket square?
You don't, you stuff them
There are a huge variety of folds and patterns. There's even cardstock pieces you can fold them around to keep the breat pocket flat and clean, rather than buldging. A quick Google Ssearch will likely beca great place to start
Fold in half then the other way in half and so on and until you make a square and have the edges showing. The tv fold. Works best with a white linen square and goes with everything.
You never told a pocket square. I’m not fan of TV Folds
Grab it in the center and just stuff it in your breast pocket
@@slingniknik353Correct sir 💯
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I am part of the 95%.
But endeavoring to be in that 5%.
We all start somewhere Sam 🙌🏾
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Thank you Okey.
@@sammajor2075 Welcome sir
No nay saying commenters
You can still buy matching sets, but retailers also offer sets where the pocket square is more complimentary
Of course you can doesn’t mean you should
Very good!!
Welcome Fernando
The same with me towards my shoes and purse matching. But staying on topic. I’ve always assumed the man’s handkerchief was there to clean glasses off or dry tears. A handy resourceful men’s accessory.
Well technically a handkerchief (white) is traditionally for mopping the face and tears off most eyed ladies 😁
But they are now considered accessories
They're really just for decoration now. If you want a functional handkerchief, fold one up and keep it in your jacket pocket.
@@JosephAllen-d2e yes I keep an embroidered one in my purse.
@@JosephAllen-d2e Very simple 💯
These sets ares still sold today. I had no idea it wasn't acceptable in the Gentleman's World.
Now you know 😅
I want that blue coat and those grey slacks.
It’s a donegal tweed coat In cloth by W. Bill
We made that one for Pete
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I remember I heard my dad say I have to match my tie with handkerchief and I died inside😅
OH DEAR 🤦🏾
How did you navigate that discussion?? 😅
I'm not sure how I managed it, my mom also insisted on matching handkerchief with tie. This was the day before my sister's 18th birthday party, I didn't end up wearing a handkerchief in the end.
@@undercookedwaffel Thank Goodness 😅
Please stop talking over each other
@@briansnow2984 Ok sir
The King returns!
Thank you
Well a gentleman Was raised to shop at.B Altman & Co or Barney's. But we are all getting away from all of that. That was in the past.😂❤
EXACTLY Brooklyn. I could think of a few more men’s classic clothiers in New York City
But what really is the problem with the matching fabric of the tie and pocket square?
It immediately tells to everyone you’re trying show the effort you’re putting in the way you dress, which kinda goes against the philosophy of the sprezzatura. It catches the eye and drives attention to your outfit instead of yourself, while the outfit should never attract more attention than the person wearing it, when it comes to classic style to say the least. I’m just repeating the wise words of Hugo Jacomet from the RUclips channel Startorial Talks.
Sure there is parts that are advised to match, like shoes and belt, but this is much more subtle and lower in the silhouette, while ties and pocket are at eye level, I guess.
I'd probably need more effort to find different fabrics of the same colour lol
@@mihirdeshpande4345 Ikr, but this is the whole philosophy of the sprezzatura, putting effort in dressing like you’ve not make much effort. Here it’s more about just grabbing the first pocket you find in your wardrobe before leaving your house, not really about buying the matching pieces together at the store. It’s about the effort of composing your outfit at home and preparing for the day, not buying the clothes :)
That said, it doesn’t change the argument of driving attention at eye level, that must’ve been the main reason way before that sprezzatura thing
I think it has to do more with it being cheap.
I don’t think you will ever find a high quality tie made out of a good fabric in a set like that. Or maybe you can but it’s definitely not the norm.
When people see a matching set they immediately think about those very inexpensive and low qualitative (most often synthetic and in unappealing patterns or colors) sets you get at fast fashion stores.
It's crass to match. You don't buy them as a set, not anywhere decent that is.
You can make a slit in de back op your suit, so the tie goes through the slit and ends up in your breastspocket.
I beg your pardon
What exactly is that?😅
@@timothyohearn9565Likewise Tim 😅
@@AskOkeyInc A poor man's pocket square ;)
@@antoinekikkers9022 Ah I see